Sunday 29th June. 7:10pm @ MCG
Obviously no-one wants to talk about it. :'(
I've got some tickets to the game, and i'll go to it in blind hope that we can pull something off.
However, i'm considering wearing black and white.
It took Fremantle a very long time to beat WC. It will take us a very long time to beat Collingwood.
I feel like we are just treading water with regards to the personnel we are putting out there.
Hopefully Murphy is straight back in fit and ready to roll. I read Cachia and Graham might have been injured in the 2's so I hope they are not too bad. I'd honestly be giving them a go.
I'd be dropping Warnock for poor efforts and replacing him with Wood.
Walker to the forward line and lets break the shackles.
Get Henderson in the game and put him to CHB with Rowe and White down there also. Send Jamison forward with Casboult and Waite.
Keep Robinson the guts as a mid predominately. If he can play like he did against GWS v the Pies then I'd love his heart and hardness in there.
Johnson in for his debut.
Who out though?
We need to freshen up!
Every chance we'll win or put up a good show.
That will make us feel a bit better ......But I think folk are just about over the roller-coaster.
I'd like to see us do something a bit dramatic (just to keep the interest up).
Play some players in different positions
Bring in some young blokes.
The rest of this season is all about who we keep.
Its their home game so there ll still be a decent crowd of about 60-65 000.
ITs all a bit confusing.
If we bring the effort of the Cats / Hawks game, we re a shot.
If we play the pathetic way we played yesterday, we ll embarrass ourselves again.
I'd be dropping Warnock for poor efforts and replacing him with Wood.
Nothing was going to be surer than an aggressive brute like Mumford was going to make Warnock cower in fear and have zero impact. He'll be better this week and what option do we have? Levi the entire game?
Walker to the forward line and lets break the shackles.
Walker to the twos. Awful stuff lately from 1AW.
I feel like we are just treading water with regards to the personnel we are putting out there.
Hopefully Murphy is straight back in fit and ready to roll. I read Cachia and Graham might have been injured in the 2's so I hope they are not too bad. I'd honestly be giving them a go.
I'd be dropping Warnock for poor efforts and replacing him with Wood.
Walker to the forward line and lets break the shackles.
Get Henderson in the game and put him to CHB with Rowe and White down there also. Send Jamison forward with Casboult and Waite.
Keep Robinson the guts as a mid predominately. If he can play like he did against GWS v the Pies then I'd love his heart and hardness in there.
Johnson in for his debut.
Who out though?
We need to freshen up!
All very good points. Don't totally agree with Jamo forward, but, what have we got to lose ey?
Depending on what White has done, injury wise, he very well may be out.
I only listened to the game yesterday, but Simmo seemed to have a shocker. Injured? Is his beard back with a vengeance? ::)
100% Pratty. Wood for Warnock.
Armfield has been very average and must be under pressure, plus a couple of injuries. White must be suss as well.
A few blokes need to be dropped or played elsewhere. Midfield needs a shake up as well.
100% Pratty. Wood for Warnock.
Is Wood even eligible?
Nick Duigan was placed on the LTI list, wasn't he? If we haven't promoted anyone to take his place yet, we can promote Wood now. Heath Scotland also retired citing knee issues, so perhaps he might have been placed on the LTI list as well. There was also some suggestion an additional rookie can be upgraded mid-season by clubs which have room in their salary caps.
Have no enthusiasm for this game - probably won't go - may watch on TV to see how we start off. :(
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It doesn't really matter which team we pick, if Murphy plays and we turn up ready for a fight we're a good chance.
If we turn up with yesterday's attitude we'll get pumped.
Does anyone really care anymore??
Does anyone really care anymore??
I do.
Does anyone really care anymore??
I do.
I'm sort of with Agey on this one. Yeah I'll watch it and cheer on the boys but win or loss doesn't really matter I got sucked in for the final time after our two 'honourable' losses to the Cats and Hawks and it won't be happening again. When Buckley, Cripps and Graham are back in then I'll start looking forward to the footy again. Then again, it may just be once the World Cup finishes. Not much joy there either with my beloved Greeks. Can't wait till my sons start playing sport. :))
Does anyone really care anymore??
+1
Does anyone really care anymore??
Not really.
I wasn't on this site in the dark days of Den Den, is the general malaise the same?
Does anyone really care anymore??
Not really.
I wasn't on this site in the dark days of Den Den, is the general malaise the same?
No not really CIMM, there always an air of positiveness around the place as we all truly believed it was just a matter of time until we got rid of Den Den and became a force again. See back then we all thought that all you needed was a few #1 picks and you'd get back up there. I think everyone was fixated on those early picks as the previous draft had yielded Hodge, Ball and Judd and prior to that Reiwoldt.
What craps me the most is that people on this site seems to care more about the club and its performances than those directly involved.
You can't tell me that there were 22 committed playing running around on Sunday.
I've been watching this club for 45+ years and the past 14 or so years have not been pleasant... I don't know how many more bleak years some of us longer termers can swallow... I can cope with loosing (sometimes) I just need some progress to cling to. Unfortunately I don't see any and I fear going back to ground zero again and another total rebuild from the bootstudders up... which I reckon is a 15 year process in this day and age with no guarantees of success.
CFC = irrelevant in today's competition.
Prof, yes we are. Terrible on and off field. Laughing stock.
What I hate is MM and co choosing say Brock McLean over Nick Graham as an example. I want to see progress.
Dylan Buckley and Pat Cripps when both back should play out the year in the 1's. Nick Holman should get games in too as should Jaryd Cachia.
Finals...gawn...time for a rebuild is now and to see what our kids have. Give them an opportunity though. They are the future!
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Is there really any more to be said atm. Let's face it, it really feels like we are "flogging a dead horse".
For me, season ended long ago but officially ends at 7.25pm this Sat when I get on that big bird and go on my 7wk end of season trip with Mrs G2C.
Does anyone really care anymore??
It's Carlton V Collingwood, do you even need to ask?
Nick Duigan was placed on the LTI list, wasn't he? If we haven't promoted anyone to take his place yet, we can promote Wood now. Heath Scotland also retired citing knee issues, so perhaps he might have been placed on the LTI list as well. There was also some suggestion an additional rookie can be upgraded mid-season by clubs which have room in their salary caps.
Scotland was a nominated rookie initially, you'd think he could hand that batten onto someone else.
Cachia was the other nominated rookie.
Johnson was elevated a couple of weeks ago.
Don't forget Bootsma has been sacked.
Also Kreuzer is on the LTI.
We can probably upgrade all our rookies!
Don't forget Bootsma has been sacked.
Retirements and sackings don't usually mean that a club can promote a rookie to fill the vacant spot. Obviously, the AFLPA would go ballistic if it did because that would provide an incentive for clubs to sack players or force them to retire so they could try out promising rookies. No doubt the AFL could give permission, but I'm not sure it would want to set a precedent.
Don't forget Bootsma has been sacked.
Retirements and sackings don't usually mean that a club can promote a rookie to fill the vacant spot. Obviously, the AFLPA would go ballistic if it did because that would provide an incentive for clubs to sack players or force them to retire so they could try out promising rookies. No doubt the AFL could give permission, but I'm not sure it would want to set a precedent.
It is certainly not a given that you can replace them with a rookie, but i believe you can seek permission to upgrade a rookie. Obviously its up to the AFL from there, but i think in regards to Bootsma, everything is above board, so it shouldn't be an issue.
Just give me 22 players that want to play for the club/guernsey. I dont care if they are 32 or 22 years of age. The total lack of intensity on the weekend was sickening. You would hope they can get up for the arch enemy. Even if they do play well, heck even if they win we all know sustaining good consistent football over an extended period of time is something this football hasnt been capable of for a very long time.
First time since 2007 we've been out of finals contention so early in the season.
First time since 2007 we've been out of finals contention so early in the season.
Season was shot in R4. Just formalities from there on.
First time since 2007 we've been out of finals contention so early in the season.
It sucks, but the top 4 is set and no side outside the top 4 can win the flag, so 14 teams are just making up the numbers anyway.
Does anyone really care anymore??
I do.
Every week.
I get excited before every game. Always have.
Without wanting to be negative toward posters with a different opinion, I really can't understand how you wouldn't care.
Win, lose, draw... Doesn't matter. Bring on next week. If we field a team, we have a chance.
Not to say I dont get negative, I do, but I still get excited.
Does anyone really care anymore??
I do.
Every week.
I get excited before every game. Always have.
Without wanting to be negative toward posters with a different opinion, I really can't understand how you wouldn't care.
Win, lose, draw... Doesn't matter. Bring on next week. If we field a team, we have a chance.
Not to say I dont get negative, I do, but I still get excited.
Good on ya Deags, you're right mate. Always next week to redeem ourselves. Go Blues.
Does anyone really care anymore??
I do.
Every week.
I get excited before every game. Always have.
Without wanting to be negative toward posters with a different opinion, I really can't understand how you wouldn't care.
Win, lose, draw... Doesn't matter. Bring on next week. If we field a team, we have a chance.
Not to say I dont get negative, I do, but I still get excited.
It's only Monday Deags.
The enthusiasm will build like an oncoming virus, taking hold of us, making us hallucinate, expectorate optimistic mucus and leave us feeling "light headed" even hopeful of a win against all odds.
Then the pies will pull our pants down, bend us over and give us the mother of all flu shots. It will be less a hypodermic and more a harpoon.
Does anyone really care anymore??
I do.
Every week.
I get excited before every game. Always have.
Without wanting to be negative toward posters with a different opinion, I really can't understand how you wouldn't care.
Win, lose, draw... Doesn't matter. Bring on next week. If we field a team, we have a chance.
Not to say I dont get negative, I do, but I still get excited.
It's only Monday Deags.
The enthusiasm will build like an oncoming virus, taking hold of us, making us hallucinate, expectorate optimistic mucus and leave us feeling "light headed" even hopeful of a win against all odds.
Then the pies will pull our pants down, bend us over and give us the mother of all flu shots. It will be less a hypodermic and more a harpoon.
Believe Cimm.
Does anyone really care anymore??
I do.
Every week.
I get excited before every game. Always have.
Without wanting to be negative toward posters with a different opinion, I really can't understand how you wouldn't care.
Therein lies the difference. I was excited for round 1, I then got excited before the Pies game after it looked like we'd turned the corner but nah nothing to get excited over now IMO other than what early draft picks we get, especially with blokes like Buckley and Cripps not playing. I guess I get a little excited to watch Menzel play but it ends there.
Does anyone really care anymore??
Nope.....
It's Carlton v Collingwood, and despite what most of us are saying if it's still close well into the game we'll be pretty emotionally involved, but that's the thing.....
....the way we play these days, with the inconsistent efforts, it's quite easily to emotionally detach.
You find that when the effort's not there you switch off.
I don't think it's case of not caring, because the loss still hurts.
But it doesn't hurt as much as it used to, because we have adapted to expect it...and there's the danger.
We're a fairly hard core group.
If that feeling translates to fringe supporters (and they're more likely to drop off first) their investment, commitment, interest all suffer.
The good thing is that it's not a terminal condition...yet.
If we'd have beaten GWS by a big margin last weekend interest in this game would be sky high....that's how simple it is, and how important it is not to drop games like last week.
Carlton/Collingwood games have a history of providing good matches and sometimes unexpected results.
A lot depends on whether Carlton turns up........ or whether they send their passion deficit "bizzaro" doubles who wear the same jumpers.
Does anyone really care anymore??
I'll tell you why i care. WHO WANTS COLLINGWOOD TO WIN AND MAKE TOP 4 ???
I don't. F**K 'EM.
I want to win and keep the Pies away from the top 4 and I give us some chance with Murphy back in the team..
Henderson has to play CHB though and Warnock needs to make up for such a poor game and give us first use..
Time to inject some excitement and youth into the team and think about playing Blaine Johnson and looking at Holman and Reynolds in the next few weeks if they can play some consistent footy in the NB's..
I'm with you elwood.
Out I'd have McLean and Armfield.
In comes debutant Johnson and the skipper Murphy.
Henderson to CHB
Walker forward
Jamison forward
Team:
B: Tuohy, Rowe, White
Hb: Yarran, Henderson, Simpson
C: Curnow, Gibbs, Everitt
Hf: Walker, Waite, Thomas
F: Menzel, Jamison, Casboult
Foll: Warnock, Robinson
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Carrazzo, Docherty, Johnson, Judd
Does anyone really care anymore??
I'll tell you why i care. WHO WANTS COLLINGWOOD TO WIN AND MAKE TOP 4 ???
I don't. F**K 'EM.
Meh.....
I guess one positive to come out of all our losses and boring brand of football is that there's now plenty of space on my IQ! :D
Henderson has to be given the chance to regain touch and will only do that down back. Time for Meat and Vinnie's boy to carry the tall forward responsibilities... and succeed.
Henderson has to be given the chance to regain touch and will only do that down back. Time for Meat and Vinnie's boy to carry the tall forward responsibilities... and succeed.
I'd have Walker forward too.
The only problem with the Waite/Casboult forward set up is the need to spell Warnock.
I guess one positive to come out of all our losses and boring brand of football is that there's now plenty of space on my IQ! :D
Still hanging on to the Richmond final from last year, can't bare to let it go. Have produced nothing this year thus far worthy of retaining on IQ :(
I must admit I am very negative this week. We haven't managed once to play with the intensity required to win against either Collingwood or Essendon - the teams we need more than any to beat each year. I really want to beat Collingwood and Essendon more than any other teams, but we just don't look it.
We have a real ruck issue: with only 1 class ruckman, we have a REAL point source error. Get beaten or have him loose form and we are in real trouble. Alas, the last couple of weeks Warnock has lost form and been beaten badly. Puts us at a real disadvantage, but we have only Wood as a back up. We need to recruit a good young ruckman.
We have issues in the midfield: even Juddy is not as fast as he was. The rest of our mids are medium to slow. We really lack explosiveness in the middle and tend to be all or nothing when it comes to getting clearances. We don't get really good clearances that end in scores.
We have serious issues up forward. We need a class key forward and do not have one. We make do, but we really don't manage against the better defences.
Our defence is a work in progress for all the improvements in Rowe and White this year. We lack a tight, fast defender who can play medium to smalls. We do have some reasonable defenders, but nobody to really smother a quick, smart forward (a Rioli or a Thomas).
We don't tend to get many goals from turnovers. Instead, we MAKE turnovers and get bitten when we do. We are the worst in the competition in this. Our disposal last week was abominable and our fumbles were lethal. We just don't have enough 1 touch possessions.
We don't have a ready cohort of kids ready and willing to be promoted. Most of our youngsters are injured or struggling. Paddy Cripps was looking good before he got injured, but he is slow, not explosive. Nick Holman is not quick, even though he is desperate. Neither Johnson nor Reynolds has after burners. Neither does Tom Temay. Boots is gone and we spent a lot of time and effort on him.
No, I am not feeling confident. I expect us to get pounded and I really hate that.
Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
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Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
One of the reasons we are so low on the scoring from turnover list and top at being scored against in turnovers.
Thomas will be quicker next year, but he is never going to have Garlett's closing speed. Jeff is just not with it at the moment. Waite chases, but tends to overcommit and go to the ground. Levi doesn't react quickly: he chases really well for a big guy, but when he get outbodied he tends to be out of the picture. Hendo isn't quick enough or nimble enough: he reacts much better as a defender. When Denis plays forward, he goes OK until he runs out of juice: then he chases like he is slower than Broke.
We have issues in the midfield: even Juddy is not as fast as he was. The rest of our mids are medium to slow. We really lack explosiveness in the middle and tend to be all or nothing when it comes to getting clearances. We don't get really good clearances that end in scores.
That's all well and (not) so good but the bigger issue is winning the pill (ideally from a ruck knock) andf then using the ball well with quick disposal/decision making....
We got smashed (thanks Rob W.) in the ruck, then we were second to the ball and when we did manage to get the ball we chop it up/ give cheap turnovers and are awfully slow to do anything with it.
Speed isn't the critical issuer here....
Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
Fair points Cimm....Daisy aint the old Daisy and doesnt seem to have the gas in the tank for chasing and tackling....Garlett when switched on is a great chaser and tackler but appears
to be disinterested. Without Eddie I think Jeffy isnt as keen and I am not sure if Mick is a real fan or not.
Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
This. We've effectively got Daisy playing Eddie's role, for more coin and less output.
Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
This. We've effectively got Daisy playing Eddie's role, for more coin and less output.
If you are suggesting Daisy has played Eddies role (as in a direct swap) all year, sorry to say mate but you have rocks in your head.
Simon White is out this week, and probably for 3 - 4 weeks. He has knee issue. So one guy will have to come in.
Cachia will not be replacing him: his shoulder injury will keep him out for3 - 4 weeks as well.
Tom Bell is fit, but should be starting off in the VFL. He will take a couple of weeks to get his touch back.
Murphy is a reasonable chance and Cripps is not far away. Matthew Kreuzer still appears to be some way from being ready.
Not sure about Byrne: no word on how he went with his knee scans.
This may sound rash, but I would be thinking of giving Sheehan a try against Collingwood. He sticks to his man pretty well and his left foot is looking quite decent. He still has a lot to learn, but he has size and speed on his side.
McInnes is also a chance: he came back to some form last week against Bendigo. Not sure that one good game is enough, but it is an improvement and he has played well against the Meat Pies before.
Wood must also be an off chance: Warnock has had 2 ordinary games in a row. But Wood does not seem to be working hard enough from what I've seen. He was playing much better in the preseason games.
Simon White is out this week, and probably for 3 - 4 weeks. He has knee issue. So one guy will have to come in.
Cachia will not be replacing him: his shoulder injury will keep him out for3 - 4 weeks as well.
Tom Bell is fit, but should be starting off in the VFL. He will take a couple of weeks to get his touch back.
Murphy is a reasonable chance and Cripps is not far away. Matthew Kreuzer still appears to be some way from being ready.
Not sure about Byrne: no word on how he went with his knee scans.
This may sound rash, but I would be thinking of giving Sheehan a try against Collingwood. He sticks to his man pretty well and his left foot is looking quite decent. He still has a lot to learn, but he has size and speed on his side.
McInnes is also a chance: he came back to some form last week against Bendigo. Not sure that one good game is enough, but it is an improvement and he has played well against the Meat Pies before.
Wood must also be an off chance: Warnock has had 2 ordinary games in a row. But Wood does not seem to be working hard enough from what I've seen. He was playing much better in the preseason games.
I 'd like to see Sheehan, Johnson and Reynolds at some stage having a senior game by the end of the season....not sure why they promoted Johnson if they were not
going to play him.
Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
This. We've effectively got Daisy playing Eddie's role, for more coin and less output.
If you are suggesting Daisy has played Eddies role (as in a direct swap) all year, sorry to say mate but you have rocks in your head.
He has played mainly as a forward, often quite deep. His job is to apply pressure and kick goals. May not be the exact same role but he's effectively replaced Eddie as a forward. Less output, more coin.
Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
This. We've effectively got Daisy playing Eddie's role, for more coin and less output.
If you are suggesting Daisy has played Eddies role (as in a direct swap) all year, sorry to say mate but you have rocks in your head.
He has played mainly as a forward, often quite deep. His job is to apply pressure and kick goals. May not be the exact same role but he's effectively replaced Eddie as a forward. Less output, more coin.
Agree on more coin, dunno about less output (not sure if you can compare them), disagree completely on the role, nothing like Eddie's.
Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
This. We've effectively got Daisy playing Eddie's role, for more coin and less output.
If you are suggesting Daisy has played Eddies role (as in a direct swap) all year, sorry to say mate but you have rocks in your head.
He has played mainly as a forward, often quite deep. His job is to apply pressure and kick goals. May not be the exact same role but he's effectively replaced Eddie as a forward. Less output, more coin.
Daisy has played deep forward on quite a few occasions, but he isn't playing there as a small forward, but rather to take an opposition player out of the play - defensive forward.
He has spent more time up the ground then Betts ever has.
FWIW, i suspect with a decent pre-season (and he can definitely claim a lack of that) he will be a much improved player for us in 2015.
Fingers crossed. So far he's given us around maybe 350k of our 700k we've paid him. Nate Fyfe will probably be signed up for around 800k so that's a great example of what you should be getting for that top end coin.
Is it just me or is the ball coming out of the forwardline way too easy since Eddie and Jeffy have gone.
I saw Thomas chasing arse a few times and he DIDN'T MAKE ONE METRE on the guy he was chasing, the guy ran 40 mts and kicked it 50!!
Eddie would have had him cold inside the first 10m..
The rest of the forwards bar Menzel ae all big dudes and just appeare to get cut up when the ball hit the ground.
If you can't keep the ball in your 50m arc you are screwed.
This. We've effectively got Daisy playing Eddie's role, for more coin and less output.
If you are suggesting Daisy has played Eddies role (as in a direct swap) all year, sorry to say mate but you have rocks in your head.
He has played mainly as a forward, often quite deep. His job is to apply pressure and kick goals. May not be the exact same role but he's effectively replaced Eddie as a forward. Less output, more coin.
Daisy has played deep forward on quite a few occasions, but he isn't playing there as a small forward, but rather to take an opposition player out of the play - defensive forward.
He has spent more time up the ground then Betts ever has.
FWIW, i suspect with a decent pre-season (and he can definitely claim a lack of that) he will be a much improved player for us in 2015.
Mate on the odd occasion that Betts venture up the ground into the midfield, he needed a GPS and a Melways to find his way back to his fwd 50.
Team: Collingwood
Backs M.Williams, J.Frost, A.Toovey
HBacks T.Langdon, L.Keeffe, H.Lumumba
Centre S.Sidebottom, D.Swan, C.Young
HForwards T.Goldsack, J.White, B.Macaffer
Forwards J.Blair, T.Cloke, J.Elliott
Followers J.Witts, D.Beams, S.Pendlebury
Interchange (from) B.Grundy, L.Ball, S.Dwyer, T.Adams, T.Broomhead, P.Seedsman, J.Thomas
Ins T.Goldsack, S.Sidebottom, B.Grundy
Outs
Team: Carlton
Backs S.Rowe, M.Jamison, A.Walker
HBacks S.Docherty, A.Everitt, K.Simpson
Centre C.Yarran, E.Curnow, D.Thomas
HForwards B.Gibbs, M.Robinson, B.McLean
Forwards C.Judd, L.Casboult, T.Menzel
Followers R.Warnock, A.Carrazzo, M.Murphy
Interchange (from) L.Henderson, B.Johnson, D.Armfield, A.McInnes, S.White, Z.Tuohy, J.Waite
Ins M.Murphy, A.McInnes, B.Johnson
Outs
I wonder why they bothered naming White when only 2 days ago the club claimed he was going to miss 3 - 4 weeks?
Collingwood are claiming to be hit with injuries? I look at this side and I find that hard to believe.
I know al clubs play ducks and drakes when it comes to team line ups, but I wonder who is fooling whom?
Rather delicate round for us really.
Lose to the Pies (and who here really would have a stack of confidence of that result not happening) and it would leave us vulnerable on the ladder.
Dogs V Dees, both teams are level on points with us.
Saints V Tigers, both teams are 4 points behind us, Tigers have a better percentage than us.
Brisbane upset the Kangas, they are 4 points behind us.
Giants get over Swans, they are level on points with us.
Naturally there is a fair whack of percentage that will have a say in it but if we copped a serious flogging, we could fall as low as 15th !!
Team: Collingwood
Backs M.Williams, J.Frost, A.Toovey
HBacks T.Langdon, L.Keeffe, H.Lumumba
Centre S.Sidebottom, D.Swan, C.Young
HForwards T.Goldsack, J.White, B.Macaffer
Forwards J.Blair, T.Cloke, J.Elliott
Followers J.Witts, D.Beams, S.Pendlebury
Interchange (from) B.Grundy, L.Ball, S.Dwyer, T.Adams, T.Broomhead, P.Seedsman, J.Thomas
Ins T.Goldsack, S.Sidebottom, B.Grundy
Outs
Team: Carlton
Backs S.Rowe, M.Jamison, A.Walker
HBacks S.Docherty, A.Everitt, K.Simpson
Centre C.Yarran, E.Curnow, D.Thomas
HForwards B.Gibbs, M.Robinson, B.McLean
Forwards C.Judd, L.Casboult, T.Menzel
Followers R.Warnock, A.Carrazzo, M.Murphy
Interchange (from) L.Henderson, B.Johnson, D.Armfield, A.McInnes, S.White, Z.Tuohy, J.Waite
Ins M.Murphy, A.McInnes, B.Johnson
Outs
I wonder why they bothered naming White when only 2 days ago the club claimed he was going to miss 3 - 4 weeks?
Collingwood are claiming to be hit with injuries? I look at this side and I find that hard to believe.
I know al clubs play ducks and drakes when it comes to team line ups, but I wonder who is fooling whom?
Quite a few have slid to the bench, next step a run in the twos. Walker should join that bunch. Seriously, season was shot weeks ago. Why not implement some sort of a KPI/ scoring system where the (for e.g.) first, second and/or third best on ground in the twos automatically get a game in the ones the following week, the same number of worst performers in the ones go back to the twos.
Team: Collingwood
Backs M.Williams, J.Frost, A.Toovey
HBacks T.Langdon, L.Keeffe, H.Lumumba
Centre S.Sidebottom, D.Swan, C.Young
HForwards T.Goldsack, J.White, B.Macaffer
Forwards J.Blair, T.Cloke, J.Elliott
Followers J.Witts, D.Beams, S.Pendlebury
Interchange (from) B.Grundy, L.Ball, S.Dwyer, T.Adams, T.Broomhead, P.Seedsman, J.Thomas
Ins T.Goldsack, S.Sidebottom, B.Grundy
Outs
Team: Carlton
Backs S.Rowe, M.Jamison, A.Walker
HBacks S.Docherty, A.Everitt, K.Simpson
Centre C.Yarran, E.Curnow, D.Thomas
HForwards B.Gibbs, M.Robinson, B.McLean
Forwards C.Judd, L.Casboult, T.Menzel
Followers R.Warnock, A.Carrazzo, M.Murphy
Interchange (from) L.Henderson, B.Johnson, D.Armfield, A.McInnes, S.White, Z.Tuohy, J.Waite
Ins M.Murphy, A.McInnes, B.Johnson
Outs
I wonder why they bothered naming White when only 2 days ago the club claimed he was going to miss 3 - 4 weeks?
Collingwood are claiming to be hit with injuries? I look at this side and I find that hard to believe.
I know al clubs play ducks and drakes when it comes to team line ups, but I wonder who is fooling whom?
On paper the side looks good........then they play ::).
Can't see us winning but expect an honest effort.
McInnes will play because White won't. If they give him a shut down role I reckon he will do ok. Dennis I suspect will also miss, let's face it, he may as well not have run out the last two weeks and he was a late replacement vs GWS anyway. I expect another name player to be "rested", but I am not sure which one. Pies are a hard match up for us... their bigs are BIG and their smalls are fast and smart, something we lack.
Oh, and I'd like to give a little slap to all the media types who trawl through this site looking for inspiration... I'm sure that Carlton would pick more youth if they had them available... seen the injury list lately?
Handy ins for Collingwood.....add Nathan Brown and Reid and thats their best team they can name.
McInnes or White wont make much difference...both will be in trouble when the ball hits the deck and those Pie smalls are hovering...
Hope Blaine Johnson plays and we are competitive .....Pies will start favourites but we are a slim chance if we can keep their mids quiet
and Warnock can win the ruck duels although Witts is a monster and I dont see Warnock dominating.
Anyone seen the NB team? On facebook the cheersqaud group posted an NBs team with Touhy, White, Armfield, Henderson, Johnson, Mcinnes and Waite.
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Henderson should be dropped before Waite.. I cannot believe our selections against a side we have to beat to give us something to cheer about.. They have finally broken my spirit... I'm over it..
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Henderson should be dropped before Waite.. I cannot believe our selections against a side we have to beat to give us something to cheer about.. They have finally broken my spirit... I'm over it..
What r u talking about?
What r the latest in's and out's ? ???
Waite, Armfield out
Murphy, Johnson in
Waite, Armfield out
Murphy, Johnson in
Glad to see a young player given a go. Looking forward to the game for that reason alone.
From memory drafting commentators had big wraps on his kicking and marking
Waite, Armfield out
Murphy, Johnson in
Glad to see a young player given a go. Looking forward to the game for that reason alone.
Whats the bet he's the sub ???????
From memory drafting commentators had big wraps on his kicking and marking
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/champion-data-picks-the-top-30-draft-prospects-of-2013/story-fnelctok-1226759925435
29. BLAINE JOHNSON
Was WA's second-leading goalkicker at the carnival. In-between size makes for a tough match-up on lead or overhead.
WE SAY: Booming right foot is a weapon outside 50. Later pick.
Waite, Armfield out
Murphy, Johnson in
Glad to see a young player given a go. Looking forward to the game for that reason alone.
Whats the bet he's the sub ???????
I hope not but I think your on the money. I'd rather they sub McLean . Give Johnson every chance to show his wares. I've been looking forward to seeing him play.
From memory drafting commentators had big wraps on his kicking and marking
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/champion-data-picks-the-top-30-draft-prospects-of-2013/story-fnelctok-1226759925435
29. BLAINE JOHNSON
Was WA's second-leading goalkicker at the carnival. In-between size makes for a tough match-up on lead or overhead.
WE SAY: Booming right foot is a weapon outside 50. Later pick.
That last sentence gives me butterflies... Excited about seeing him in action.. A fitting first up game against arch enemy 60k+ crowd ... FFS give the vest to McLean
Waite, Armfield out
Murphy, Johnson in
We're tanking, it's official.
Waite, Armfield out
Murphy, Johnson in
We're tanking, it's official.
White is named in the side, even though it was said he would miss 2-3 weeks with a knee injury.
He'll be a late withdrawal and Waite will probably come back in....or maybe McInness! :o
Waite, Armfield out
Murphy, Johnson in
We're tanking, it's official.
Agree...looks like Mitch Robinson is playing KP.....must want a pick in the top 5...
Blues by 62 points
Waite, Armfield out
Murphy, Johnson in
We're tanking, it's official.
Agree...looks like Mitch Robinson is playing KP.....must want a pick in the top 5...
I'm thinking pick one, it's like Groundhog Day.
I have always been of the opinion that if you cant finish top four or have serious tilt at finals, may as well finish well down (last even) rather than 9th 10th etc. Really whats the point? Seasons shot, get draft picks but FFS, use it wisely.
I have always been of the opinion that if you cant finish top four or have serious tilt at finals, may as well finish well down (last even) rather than 9th 10th etc. Really whats the point? Seasons shot, get draft picks but FFS, use it wisely.
Losing breeds a losing mentality.
Jarrad Waite: the bell tolls for thee......
Jarrad Waite: the bell tolls for thee......
Hopefully Walker too
I have always been of the opinion that if you cant finish top four or have serious tilt at finals, may as well finish well down (last even) rather than 9th 10th etc. Really whats the point? Seasons shot, get draft picks but FFS, use it wisely.
My dream run home to seasons close is to be compete in every game and go down by a point or 2 in all of them. Be super competitive yet finish as low as possible (wooden spoon aside) second last will do just fine.
Jarrad Waite: the bell tolls for thee......
Yep...might get another year if we dont trade for a KP Forward but if we do I think his days are numbered as Mick seems to have him as a fall guy.
From memory drafting commentators had big wraps on his kicking and marking
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/champion-data-picks-the-top-30-draft-prospects-of-2013/story-fnelctok-1226759925435
29. BLAINE JOHNSON
Was WA's second-leading goalkicker at the carnival. In-between size makes for a tough match-up on lead or overhead.
WE SAY: Booming right foot is a weapon outside 50. Later pick.
In that linked article, they predicted Cripps to go to Essendon at
Pick 26
Jarrad Waite: the bell tolls for thee......
Yep...might get another year if we dont trade for a KP Forward but if we do I think his days are numbered as Mick seems to have him as a fall guy.
Do you think it's effort or age that's holding him back Elwood?
Jarrad Waite: the bell tolls for thee......
Yep...might get another year if we dont trade for a KP Forward but if we do I think his days are numbered as Mick seems to have him as a fall guy.
It seems that way.
He had 16 touches and kicked a couple of goals last week, Casboult had 5 touches and Henderson 7 and Hendo probably had 2 in the first half, and between them Levi and Lachie managed one point.
Three tall forwards and they drop the one who had by far the best game, unless it's an attitude thing or he told Malthouse to GAGF it just doesn't make any sense.
Waite's no superstar but we're a much better side when he's up and about.
It seems that way.
He had 16 touches and kicked a couple of goals last week, Casboult had 5 touches and Henderson 7 and Hendo probably had 2 in the first half, and between them Levi and Lachie managed one point.
Three tall forwards and they drop the one who had by far the best game, unless it's an attitude thing or he told Malthouse to GAGF it just doesn't make any sense.
Waite's no superstar but we're a much better side when he's up and about.
Maybe it's his defensive efforts or work rate?
Waite is actually effective at times... Henderson has been no existent. Plus Walker still gets to run around and (&*%)*& every thing up.
I'm calling it... we're not tanking... we're just not giving ourselves the greatest chance of winning.
It seems that way.
He had 16 touches and kicked a couple of goals last week, Casboult had 5 touches and Henderson 7 and Hendo probably had 2 in the first half, and between them Levi and Lachie managed one point.
Three tall forwards and they drop the one who had by far the best game, unless it's an attitude thing or he told Malthouse to GAGF it just doesn't make any sense.
Waite's no superstar but we're a much better side when he's up and about.
Maybe it's his defensive efforts or work rate?
I reckon MM is concerned he might kick a bag and upset his plans.
I reckon MM is concerned he might kick a bag and upset his plans.
Maybe?
Let's be honest it was season over after we lost to the Lions. The following week we were all over Geelong and he subbed Waite off for White. The week after that Hendo and Jamo were late outs. Murphy out last week and some strange rotations.
I remember back when the pies were last down the bottom they were up by 4 goals with 5 minutes left against the roos and blew it, which just so happened to help them get two top 5 picks (Thomas and Pendlebury).I think Mighty Mick was tanking long before Carlton or Melbourne were.
Jarrad Waite: the bell tolls for thee......
Yep...might get another year if we dont trade for a KP Forward but if we do I think his days are numbered as Mick seems to have him as a fall guy.
Do you think it's effort or age that's holding him back Elwood?
I think its the Jarrod Waite inconsisitency Carrots.....can be a creative player, can kick goals himself but equally turns the ball over with a poor pass and then doesnt chase or backup
for a second effort and thats when Mick loses it with him I think.
His temper and on field behavious has been better this season and the times he has played down back I have been impressed...I didnt think he was bad last week and should have played
vs Collingwood this week but maybe those errors and lack of 2nd efforts have eroded Micks patience and he is being used as an example...or maybe Mick wants a top 5 pick and we are indeed tanking.
MM's new KPIs probably relate more to improving the list than snagging a flag in the remaining 1.5 years of his contract. ::)
I reckon MM is concerned he might kick a bag and upset his plans.
Maybe?
Let's be honest it was season over after we lost to the Lions. The following week we were all over Geelong and he subbed Waite off for White. The week after that Hendo and Jamo were late outs. Murphy out last week and some strange rotations.
I remember back when the pies were last down the bottom they were up by 4 goals with 5 minutes left against the roos and blew it, which just so happened to help them get two top 5 picks (Thomas and Pendlebury).I think Mighty Mick was tanking long before Carlton or Melbourne were.
Last weeks late rotations sealed it for me.
Might be some money to be made in the remaining games.
I reckon MM is concerned he might kick a bag and upset his plans.
Maybe?
Let's be honest it was season over after we lost to the Lions. The following week we were all over Geelong and he subbed Waite off for White. The week after that Hendo and Jamo were late outs. Murphy out last week and some strange rotations.
I remember back when the pies were last down the bottom they were up by 4 goals with 5 minutes left against the roos and blew it, which just so happened to help them get two top 5 picks (Thomas and Pendlebury).I think Mighty Mick was tanking long before Carlton or Melbourne were.
Tanking - like the Siren Song in Seinfeld - never quite what it seems, but who among us can resist ?
Personally, I think it has a corrosive quality that does more long term harm than good.
I find you avatars strangely disturbing PaulP.
I know they are designed to be cute, but they are creepy.
:)
I find you avatars strangely disturbing PaulP.
I know they are designed to be cute, but they are creepy.
:)
I take it you don't have young children CIMM ?
This week's avatar is Captain Barnacles from the Octonauts.
I find you avatars strangely disturbing PaulP.
I know they are designed to be cute, but they are creepy.
:)
Have a look at Dirtgirl - designed for kids TV to be cute (I think) but more like porn IMO
(http://motherandbaby.beautyandlace.net/files/2011/09/dirt-girl.jpg)
I have always been of the opinion that if you cant finish top four or have serious tilt at finals, may as well finish well down (last even) rather than 9th 10th etc. Really whats the point? Seasons shot, get draft picks but FFS, use it wisely.
Losing breeds a losing mentality.
Its only losing if you believe its losing ;)
From memory drafting commentators had big wraps on his kicking and marking
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/champion-data-picks-the-top-30-draft-prospects-of-2013/story-fnelctok-1226759925435
29. BLAINE JOHNSON
Was WA's second-leading goalkicker at the carnival. In-between size makes for a tough match-up on lead or overhead.
WE SAY: Booming right foot is a weapon outside 50. Later pick.
In that linked article, they predicted Cripps to go to Essendon at Pick 26
That article wasn't a phantom draft. It was simply players listed by their ranking points from the champs (ie supercoach points).
Brock is still getting a game. And Tuohy. We're tanking.
It's probably unfair on Brock, he's given it his all over the last 2 or 3 years, but I personally hate seeing him in the side these days. I would much rather we take game day risks with potential and developing players than sticking with a player like Brock. Watching him struggle, most weeks of late, is demoralising.
Lucas can be frustrating, and is a whipping boy for most of us, but I think he would have provided far more value to the side, this year, than Brock has.
Lucas can be frustrating, and is a whipping boy for most of us, but I think he would have provided far more value to the side, this year, than Brock has.
agree with both of those posts.
If Waite is dropped because he's not part of the future. Then Brock should be gone too.
Gimme a break with this tanking boloney.....are we really still THAT far behind the times that we're reverting to tanking? This is Mick's master plan? Some of you are willing to believe anything but the fact that Malthouse is past it.
Its a form of tanking. How else can you explain continuing to play out of form players like Henderson, Walker, Warnock and Touhy? If we are really looking at the future why are Brock and Carazzo getting games?
Its plausible deniabilty... On paper it looks our best team, in reality it is padding us out to the end of the year.
For those calling for Lucas to get a game...short memories.
We've axed Garlett for ducking his head and being soft...and you want to bring in Lucas like he's the messiah?
Broke may be playing some average games, Tuohy too, but you can't question their courage. Lucas gives a bad name to outside receivers.
If we were a well oiled machine sitting top 4, you might think about brining in Lucas as the cherry on top. All he'd have to do is feed off the others and run. However, where we are currently scrapping and fighting for every kick, Lucas is a liability who cannot be relied upon.
White won't come up. Waite will play IMO ;)
Jarrad Waite: the bell tolls for thee......
Yep...might get another year if we dont trade for a KP Forward but if we do I think his days are numbered as Mick seems to have him as a fall guy.
It seems that way.
He had 16 touches and kicked a couple of goals last week, Casboult had 5 touches and Henderson 7 and Hendo probably had 2 in the first half, and between them Levi and Lachie managed one point.
Three tall forwards and they drop the one who had by far the best game, unless it's an attitude thing or he told Malthouse to GAGF it just doesn't make any sense.
Waite's no superstar but we're a much better side when he's up and about.
there must be a reason , maybe age, some commitment issue, but if you had to put $ on one of Waite, Casboult , or Hendo to win you a game , even only based upon this years form, who would it be?
Lucas pooed his pants in about 4 contests the last time we played the Pies.
I was embarrassed for him.
Lucas pooed his pants in about 4 contests the last time we played the Pies.
I was embarrassed for him.
I could name a few more carlton players that did the same since then.....
Lucas pooed his pants in about 4 contests the last time we played the Pies.
I was embarrassed for him.
I could name a few more carlton players that did the same since then.....
Go ahead.
How's your team going by the way.?
Bombres had a bad day yesterday on and off the field.
I think its the Jarrod Waite inconsisitency Carrots.....can be a creative player, can kick goals himself but equally turns the ball over with a poor pass and then doesnt chase or backup for a second effort and thats when Mick loses it with him I think.
His second efforts are fine but he's an attacking footballer who rolls the dice so when it doesn't come off he's out of position, Yarran is similar in that respect.
Waite's always been the same, but in my opinion any good team needs its share of players with flair who can take games on and turn them, 22 David Ellards will get you precisely nowhere.
As for his not infrequent turnovers he's got at least 15 mates in our senior team.
He can be frustrating but he can also be brilliant and inspirational, and those types don't grow on trees.
I think his attitude and general demeanor has stunk it up this past year. He CLEARLY still has what it takes IMO.
I think his attitude and general demeanor has stunk it up this past year. He CLEARLY still has what it takes IMO.
Maybe he's too scared of getting reported, it's been a while. ;)
For those calling for Lucas to get a game...short memories.
We've axed Garlett for ducking his head and being soft...and you want to bring in Lucas like he's the messiah?
Broke may be playing some average games, Tuohy too, but you can't question their courage. Lucas gives a bad name to outside receivers.
If we were a well oiled machine sitting top 4, you might think about brining in Lucas as the cherry on top. All he'd have to do is feed off the others and run. However, where we are currently scrapping and fighting for every kick, Lucas is a liability who cannot be relied upon.
Our onfield situation is no different to last year. In fact last year, being Micks first year, we were less oiled tha we are at present. I was one of the first to call for Licas's head, frustration started in the offseason comp ie watching his pissy little handballs seemingly given off for the purpose of avoiding body contact from opposition. But despite his deficiencies he gave us run, and was important in us getting over the line in some of the games in first half of the season. This year we seem to be missing that run. He's not the answer to our problems but Brock has done sweet FA. Each time he's in a contests with open space nearby his opponent beats him with pace and we get smashed the other way. At least Lucas can chase.
From memory drafting commentators had big wraps on his kicking and marking
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/champion-data-picks-the-top-30-draft-prospects-of-2013/story-fnelctok-1226759925435
29. BLAINE JOHNSON
Was WA's second-leading goalkicker at the carnival. In-between size makes for a tough match-up on lead or overhead.
WE SAY: Booming right foot is a weapon outside 50. Later pick.
Wish pace was one of those weapons, but you can't have everything.
Brock is still getting a game. And Tuohy. We're tanking.
While I understand the calls for Broke to be dropped, it would be hard to justify them. Broke has been one of our more effective mids, even if he couldn't chase down a sloth with a broken leg. Yes, clubs have been more aware of him and more willing to deal with him seriously, as we have had few mids (usually only Murphy) worth serious tagging.
Graham and Cripps are the future, and they may (just) be able to run down guys a bit better, but neither of them has been able to equal Broke's output yet.
I don't know what the future holds for a our midfield, but we need to introduce real pace and X factor into it. I can't see Cripps doing that next year, nor Graham nor Broke.
From memory drafting commentators had big wraps on his kicking and marking
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/champion-data-picks-the-top-30-draft-prospects-of-2013/story-fnelctok-1226759925435
29. BLAINE JOHNSON
Was WA's second-leading goalkicker at the carnival. In-between size makes for a tough match-up on lead or overhead.
WE SAY: Booming right foot is a weapon outside 50. Later pick.
Wish pace was one of those weapons, but you can't have everything.
Other than Cripps -Johnson Reynolds and Giles are the three I most want to see show something this year. Giles is out injured, not sure what's happening with Reynolds, glad that Johnson has his chance.
Pies by 6 goals
A sad legacy left by our current administration
Pies by 6 goals
If Waite plays we'll win.
Pies by 6 goals
If Waite plays we'll win.
Malthouse would play him at Etihad but not at the MCG on a cold, wet Sunday night. Makes sense.
Pies by 6 goals
If Waite plays we'll win.
Malthouse would play him at Etihad but not at the MCG on a cold, wet Sunday night. Makes sense.
I don't think that's right.
Waite has his weaknesses but playing contested footy in the wet isn't one of them.
What's the real reason Mick?
Probably tanking but I also wouldn't be surprised if he's a late inclusion.
I like that the club, on paper, said that Waite was 'omitted'... he should be ashamed. Despite his wonderful talent he has let our club down and his team mates down on too many occasions to be trusted. Trust only results from sustained reliability to perform. (And if I see him plead for a free again I'll scream... focus on playing, Cocko, ingnore the umps). Maybe Waite is a strong contributor to our inconsistent intensity.
I like that the club, on paper, said that Waite was 'omitted'... he should be ashamed. Despite his wonderful talent he has let our club down and his team mates down on too many occasions to be trusted. Trust only results from sustained reliability to perform. (And if I see him plead for a free again I'll scream... focus on playing, Cocko, ingnore the umps). Maybe Waite is a strong contributor to our inconsistent intensity.
Don't agree Baggers :(
Waite was the only one of our tall forwards who contributed last week. Dropping him sends the wrong message to those players who are out of form or who didn't put in last week. Yes, Waite has let the club down in the past but this is probably his most consistent and injury free season - and he is 5th for contested marks this season (he and Casboult are the only Carlton players in the top 80).
If there had to be a change, Henderson should have been the one running around with the Northern Blues.
I like that the club, on paper, said that Waite was 'omitted'... he should be ashamed. Despite his wonderful talent he has let our club down and his team mates down on too many occasions to be trusted. Trust only results from sustained reliability to perform. (And if I see him plead for a free again I'll scream... focus on playing, Cocko, ingnore the umps). Maybe Waite is a strong contributor to our inconsistent intensity.
Don't agree Baggers :(
Waite was the only one of our tall forwards who contributed last week. Dropping him sends the wrong message to those players who are out of form or who didn't put in last week. Yes, Waite has let the club down in the past but this is probably his most consistent and injury free season - and he is 5th for contested marks this season (he and Casboult are the only Carlton players in the top 80).
If there had to be a change, Henderson should have been the one running around with the Northern Blues.
Good and important points. But I suspect that his demotion is due to more subtle leadership issues and general inconsistency.
Yes, yes, yes... Hendo has (also) failed to deliver in many respects in season 2014. And what does that say about our situation...? Do we in fact have a psychologically dominent/strong tall? Nuh. Our 'bigs' are so very 'little' between the ears; they cannot deliver week in, week out. Set as a template our 'bigs' against J. Brown.
Yes, yes, yes... Hendo has (also) failed to deliver in many respects in season 2014. And what does that say about our situation...? Do we in fact have a psychologically dominent/strong tall? Nuh. Our 'bigs' are so very 'little' between the ears; they cannot deliver week in, week out. Set as a template our 'bigs' against J. Brown.
We don't have a J Brown, or anyone remotely approaching J Brown.
We played three tall forwards last week and two of them didn't fire a shot, so we dropped the one who did.
I guess one positive to come out of all our losses and boring brand of football is that there's now plenty of space on my IQ! :D
Hallelujah!!! I have like 52% on my IQHD which is unheard of this far into the season, missus reckons im unwell.
Yes, yes, yes... Hendo has (also) failed to deliver in many respects in season 2014. And what does that say about our situation...? Do we in fact have a psychologically dominent/strong tall? Nuh. Our 'bigs' are so very 'little' between the ears; they cannot deliver week in, week out. Set as a template our 'bigs' against J. Brown.
We don't have a J Brown, or anyone remotely approaching J Brown.
We played three tall forwards last week and two of them didn't fire a shot, so we dropped the one who did.
You endorse the bloke who is making these decisions B4L.
You endorse the bloke who is making these decisions B4L.
Just my two bob's worth PI2C, unless there's more to it and off field issues have come into play I think that the decision to drop Waite defies logic.
I don't support Malthouse unequivocally, but as you know I thought that Ratten's appointment was badly flawed from the start and nothing that happened in the next five years caused me to reconsider.
Time will tell whether Malthouse can take us forward and lay a solid foundation for the future, I'm prepared to reserve my judgement on that until the end of next season at least, but I think that appointing a proven and experienced coach was the right way to go.
Well, against my better judgement and despite the wintry weather I will be there tonight hoping for a miracle! Let's hope we can just put 'em off balance and pinch this one - it would be very sweet!
On the subject of MM, I feel that the main hope now is that he indeed does build good all round foundations both on and off the field for us to move forward and be more successful in the future. I would be surprised, at this stage at least, if he got another gig with us but I think he will definitely serve out his current contract.
Of course, a lot could happen, both good or bad, between now and the end of next season so it's very much a waiting game IMO.
I'll be there too tonight, hoping that my blind faith in the boys pays off.
I am yet to actually watch the boys win a game this season, so I hope that my first trip down to watch them live this season is a good one.
I'll tip us by 13pts. I hope my man Touhy has a ripper game and Troy 'the freak' Menzel kicks a bag! *sigh* One can only hope.
I hope my man Touhy has a ripper game
I'm a fan of Zach as well, skilled, passionate, strong and as tough as an army biscuit.
Watching c7 footy flashbacks carlton v pies 79 and 81 gfs
Superb blues lineup at all positions.harmes sheldon ashman johnston buckley maclure klomp fitzpatrick hunter perovic buzasto english .....all bloody good footballers....god i miss those days...
Watching c7 footy flashbacks carlton v pies 79 and 81 gfs
Superb blues lineup at all positions.harmes sheldon ashman johnston buckley maclure klomp fitzpatrick hunter perovic buzasto english .....all bloody good footballers....god i miss those days...
Probably had to look up those names.
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Our main problem is it does not matter who we play that with our track record every other side believes they can beat us.Unlike when they play other teams ,has there been worse teams running around than the saints ,lions,demons,gws over the last couple of years .But I bet if you spoke to anyone of hose sides they would tell u put enough pressure on stay in the contest long enough and you can beat us.Most of our wins have come from the other teams getting in front taking the pedal of the metal and we have came back to sneak in for a win.And it does not seek to matter how far we get in front we are never home.Its in the players heads and until the culture is changed our team will not go anywhere.Like us I think he players think that no matter how far in front they are they can still loose,when was the last time we out a side to the sword and went on to grind them into the dust.Of our current list there is probably only 4 or 5 that would be walk up starters in any other team ,Gibbs Murph ,Judd[maybe]Menzal for potential Yarran and Simo,so we are a long long way of the pace.We may have our good moments and maybe tonight will be one of them but we need to get our heads right before success and consistency will come our way.But like all of you I won't stop barracking and living in hope the good times are just around the corner.
Like it or not it's my opinion .
Like it or not it's my opinion .
I don't think you'll get many arguments Slugger.
Our main problem is it does not matter who we play that with our track record every other side believes they can beat us.
I heard an interview with Sam Mitchell last week where he said that Hawthorn believes it will win each week. I bet our boys don't have that confidence when they run out, no matter who the opponent may be.
The coach needs to do whatever it takes to instill confidence or self-belief into the group.
With all this rain, looking like a good decision to drop Waite now.
If anyone is watching the demons v dogs game, it would be great if our guys put in the same endeavour tonight and I will be happy. Even better if we win though lol
Surprise, surprise, White out, Armfield in, Jonno sub
FFS any chance of us giving a first gamer four quarters? What is the fking point just let the kid play and make Army the sub.
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Here's hoping the club proper eventually sheds its tendency of living in the past.
FFS any chance of us giving a first gamer four quarters? What is the fking point just let the kid play and make Army the sub.
Agree....need to give the kid a full game and dont do the dumb thing and drop him next week....nothing I hate more than a newbie just getting the one game then being flicked back to the twos
the following week...
Watching port v adel and Eddie is running a muck.
The crowd is chanting Eddie Eddie Eddie.
My daughter goes I miss him he was ours. Then she looked at me and said we don't have anyone exciting anymore- years ago we lost to teams we shouldn't but we played exciting footy and could beat the best teams. What happened. I had no reply.
Back to the game. Used to be our bigest H&A game of our season but I have no spark. Rattan led blues gave me hope in these clashes. Not these days.