Another honorable loss.
I'm kind of starting to enjoy these honorable losses. As a supporter, I sort of understand how the players must feel. You get accustomed to it, and it kind of feels normal.
Yep can handle an honourable loss , as long as some positives come out of it, and there is spirit. A couple of things from today
it's like the Pig Man principle in Seinfeld. A sure sign that standards are low, but much better than a shellacking.
What a mixed bag.
Our first half was horrible, spiritless.
But after half time, the game, and us, improved.
Likes: Murph, Cripps, Holman (though he did tire), Whiley (made a tangible difference when he came on), Everitt the FF, Kreuzer, Simpson, Buckley (please work on awareness).
So so: White, Curnow, Carrazzo, Bell (could have hurt the opposition so much more with more effective disposals, BB (enough to see he should be a player, with another pre season etc).
Disappointing: Henderson (only looks good in defence), Walker (rusty as blazes), Rowe (really being shown up now), Smith (so green but let's see how he is next year) Casboult...
Yep
re smith
I wouldn't be too critical of him just yet.
He's a young bloke who hasn't quite come to terms with the pace of the game.
He's just a bit rushed with his decision making at the moment and a bit slow to get rid of the ball...and he's also brushed aside a bit easily and some of his tackles aren't quite sticking....but he has a crack.
Give him twelve months and see if he's still the same player.
I only saw the second half but Cas kicked two goals didn't he Baggers? Not a bad return for a poor game.
Patty Cripps is a machine, once he matures and becomes more consistent he will win multiple Brownlows. Just a big moment player.
Cripps' over the head handball in the last is enough to start unzipping flies. The kid is a footballer in a day where athletes are king.
Boeky shows a bit more every game. Pleased with his progress given his size.
Smith is not the smartest footballer going around in terms of where to run and when, but he gives effort and throws his body around more than 99% of the players out there. If only there was more of it, he'd start taking people out ala Robbo.
Whiley played his best (half) game for us. Wasn't too bad considering he was steak knives.
If the above kids can continue to come on, and they get some help from Gibbs/Daisy in 2016, we start getting something to work with long term.
At the other end of the scale...
Walker...he was terrible. Hope it was just nerves/rust because at that standard, he'll be playing at Preston long term.
Bell...he's had a breakout year so far, but today showed why he will always have question marks over him. In the space of, what 5 minutes(?), he kicked 2 out on the full and kneed one through from the goal square. Kick straight and we are 3 goals better off in the first quarter.
Cripps' over the head handball in the last is enough to start unzipping flies. The kid is a footballer in a day where athletes are king.
That was the one. Going to be an absolute ripper. Something to look forward to and finally a player to build around.
About the right result given how the game panned out.
Pendlebury slaughtered us, 14 touches in the first quarter set the tone for the day and after that we just couldn't hold him, it was a bad mistake not giving Carratts first crack at him.
Top game from Simmo, Murphy has become a good leader, Cripps will take over from him when he's done, Kreuzer worked very hard, Bell was back to his earlier form and Everitt was dangerous.
I thought Henderson played well, I don't get people bagging him.
As for the young blokes Buckley just needs to settle and it will come with experience, Whiley showed more than he has until now and Smith has something to work with, I'm still not sold on Boekhurst although he did well to stand under the mark and cop a hit, if two of that four measure up we'll be OK.
Walks is a shadow of his former self, I'm hoping it's down to fitness.
Edit: I should give Walks a break, three times in the first quarter he led well and we kicked it to his boot laces.
Our general skills really are poor, until we weed out the culprits we won't go far.
That was the one. Going to be an absolute ripper. Something to look forward to and finally a player to build around.
If I last long enough to see Cripps' whole career I think I'll go out a happy bloke....and maybe, just maybe, I wont have already seen my last flag.
He definitely is a player you can build a team around.
Walker is a bit stiff.
He's been crap for years and you blokes expect him too improve first game back?
Sign him up for another 5 years.
Tackles 80-47 in Collingwood's favour.
Patty Cripps.....my man-love grows for you weekly......unthinkable that he won't win the NAB Rising Star Award.
Pies are deadset crap.....seriously deadset ordinary.
Im drunk... ive just come home.... did Levi kick a goal and do the double Cobra ?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-08-06/levi-meets-the-double-cobra
Terrible first half (that's all I watched). Hoping someone can clarify deliberately OOB. End of second qtr, from a boundary throw in Krooz hit it back over the line, but it bounced. I thought it had to be back on the full from a throw in to be deliberate. Earlier C'wood player with close to zero pressure knocked the ball out of bounds (maybe using both fists) it was a throw in.
Maybe this all goes in the who knows basket to annoy fans.
Might watch the second half to see if it was improved effort from us, decreased effort from them or a better standard.
Im drunk... ive just come home.... did Levi kick a goal and do the double Cobra ?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-08-06/levi-meets-the-double-cobra
He did ;)
When we're good again it might be our signature move....it's better than the Everitt finger poke :D
Geez, how bad are Collingwood. :o
Almost forgotten how much I hate this mob. Also didn't realise what a kn0b Tim Watson is as a commentator.
Cripps 9/10
Murphy 8/10
The White-Pendlebury match up pretty much proved the difference in the end.
Lots of positive signs otherwise. Not sure I share other people's hopes for Smith. I reckon he's got no idea.
Im drunk... ive just come home.... did Levi kick a goal and do the double Cobra ?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-08-06/levi-meets-the-double-cobra
How drunk were you? He did it after he kicked the first goal of the match. lol
At least Tim brought up the Fasolo throw, it was like the other callers didn't want to talk about it.
Poor standard game from two not so great anymore teams that was riddled with errors.....
Pendlebury and Swan vs Cripps and Murphy .....Pendlebury's class was probably the difference, everytime he touched it we suffered.
Murphy led from the front and Cripps was an extracting machine but we probably lacked that bit of class that Yarran and Menzel could provide....
Boekhorst was ok at times and looks like he has figured out that you have to get your own footy and think quicker and I thought he was good again today.
Whiley came on and was workmanlike
Everitt handy with his 4 goals and Carrazzo got some footy....
Liked Kruezer's honest approach and he tried at every contest...
Simpson was reliable however I thought our defense was a bit loose and allowed Collingwood some easy goals that they didnt have to work for...
Not a bad effort but losing is now our main focus IMO as we gear up for the draft and look to get at least the No 1 or 2 pick...
Walker is a bit stiff.
He's been crap for years and you blokes expect him too improve first game back?
Sign him up for another 5 years.
LOL. It's frustrating I agree but when you consider he did his shoulder many times at one stage we've done alright to get what we did out of him. Almost unfathomable that we signed him until 2017.
The game says more about the pies than us.
We know we're shizen, they're only a couple of notches up from us atm
Walkers lack of agility was the biggest worry. He couldn't change direction quickly and looked like he had one straight run and that was it.
Very concerning to say the least.
I reckon he is cooked.
Walkers lack of agility was the biggest worry. He couldn't change direction quickly and looked like he had one straight run and that was it.
Very concerning to say the least.
I reckon he is cooked.
That would be due to his knee injury. He probably isn't going to get much better in that regard. He may retire if he can't get over it, and degenerative knee problems rarely improve much.
At least Tim brought up the Fasolo throw, it was like the other callers didn't want to talk about it.
As usual, crucial miss by the umpire at crucial time which went against us. S'pose it's opening a can of worms to suggest the goal review system should pick those up. ::)
Im drunk... ive just come home.... did Levi kick a goal and do the double Cobra ?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-08-06/levi-meets-the-double-cobra
A little Carlton supporter up in the stands with 41 on the back of his jumper did it after Levi kicked a goal in our last game. Levi has copied the little kid.
I heard Levi had a son last night. His first little "Meat Jnr". A boy by the way. Congrats to the Boult, and Mrs Boult.
Upon reflection, guess we're not the first team to be towelled up by Pendlebury (and won't be the last).
Buckley's gonna do more good things than bad as time goes on but he's got to learn to stay on his feet.
How much more assured does Hendo look down back?
He's done well to play every game this year but Tuohy should change his name to "Tu-loose-hy" (was he on Fasolo?)
Upon reflection, guess we're not the first team to be towelled up by Pendlebury (and won't be the last).
Buckley's gonna do more good things than bad as time goes on but he's got to learn to stay on his feet.
How much more assured does Hendo look down back?
He's done well to play every game this year but Tuohy should change his name to "Tu-loose-hy" (was he on Fasolo?)
I thought Docherty started on Fasalo...and got towelled up....
I don't know who was guarding who, as all the Pies players found free space way too often and way too easy. I know White was on Pendlebury for a while and was shifted as he couldn't stop him. Our tackle effectiveness was poor and they ran around us like we were witches hats again. We go side ways or back far too often before we look for an option forwards. When we look forward we just bomb it anywhere. Over use of handballs. Poor effort of offering real defensive pressure.
What made it worse was the fact that this side doesn't have Lamumba, Shaw, Beams or a fit Cloke. It could have been a whole new form of ugly. Watching todays game makes we wonder if we can win any games before seasons end. Great work tanking there guys.
I'm going to follow my self-enforced rule of not commenting on losses for at least 24 hours but I can't stop myself from commenting on the commentators.
Seven's commentators were poor and they didn't really add anything. In hindsight, I should have turned the volume down.
However, Seven's commentators were absolutely brilliant in comparison to the bozos on Triple M. Never again will I allow them to assault my senses with their inane remarks and toilet humour.
Murphy is playing very well atm and setting a very positive example for the team. Maybe the decision to appoint him as capt. is proving to be the right one! I will have to eat my words about him if he continues this way. Kreuz, fingers crossed, looks to be well back on track.
Cripps is one recruit we definitely seem to have got right, and Boekhorst also if he keeps going. We should definitely keep playing BB for the remaining games. Holman will be OK too IMO, and Clem plus Whiley off the bench really had a go today. So maybe a few green shoots starting to show? I also saw part of the NB's game and I thought Jones looked OK at times in defence so maybe we can eventually even make something of him too!
In summary we obviously are still a very ordinary side with poor skills, poor efficiency, poor decision making and we allow he opposition far too much time and space but maybe there are a few glimmers of hope and a basis to build on, albeit atm a small one?
Not much to add, just another week closer to the end of a wretched season. The first quarter especially was hard to watch with the skill errors. Collingwood are pretty ordinary too.
Murphy, cripps, everitt, Kruezer were the better players. Cameos from casboult who kicked nicely and took some good marks. Henderson did ok, but is shifted around and is out of sorts. Usual clumsy forward entries and poor skills that have typified us for years.
I'm not certain what clem smith is being asked to do, nor what position he is suited. He is very green and as a first year player, nor need he be 'judged' if thats what the purpose of his playing was. Boekhorst, as our other first year player on the park took some steps forward today with some cleaner disposal and a goal.
Given the belting of the seconds it is a really sad looking club at the moment. So much needs to go right in the off season to give us a leg up.
And as some have mentioned, the commentary folk on ch 7 and foxtel are getting worse. As an expat who cannot attend games and must arise in this case at 5.30 am to watch the game, some actual insight and analysis from the commentators would be good, instead we get banter akin to a pub session with frequent cuts to close ups of coach nostrils.
I don't know who was guarding who, as all the Pies players found free space way too often and way too easy. I know White was on Pendlebury for a while and was shifted as he couldn't stop him. Our tackle effectiveness was poor and they ran around us like we were witches hats again. We go side ways or back far too often before we look for an option forwards. When we look forward we just bomb it anywhere. Over use of handballs. Poor effort of offering real defensive pressure.
What made it worse was the fact that this side doesn't have Lamumba, Shaw, Beams or a fit Cloke. It could have been a whole new form of ugly. Watching todays game makes we wonder if we can win any games before seasons end. Great work tanking there guys.
That is a bizarre comment. That's like saying we didn't have Waite, Laidler, Betts or a fit Judd.
Imagine if they had Daisy in too. ::)
What I took out of the game was the little bit of mongrel some of our younger boys have.
Buckley is a ripper, Holman and Wiley don't take a back step and Cripps towers above most. These new kids on the block like to throw their weight around and fly the flag where necessary.
MilkIt.
Seriously think about my post and your thoughts. Waite has a good game every 5 or 6 games at best. Laidler was dumped by us a while back with no return and I still can't believe we let him go. He was a producer and should have been locked in. Betts and Judd are a loss no doubt. However we don't have Swan, Pendles, Sidebottom, Blair, Elliot, to tear up the middle of the park. I know that. I know we are down in our own stocks. However, when have the pies lost so many games in a row in a season against not all the best sides in the comp.
We lost Waite who really was a toss of the coin player for us. Depending on how he felt on the day. Belting players and being suspended to be a no real fit in this side. Thomas has done sweet FA for us for the entire 2 years and $1.5 million he has cost the side. He is about as useful as tits on a chook. Judd has been tagged since he came over and has not been at his best in his last 2 seasons. His kicking for goal has left him, and he has been expected to carry the load. Either way he was cooked before he put the fork into himself. He knows he played 1 season more than he should have.
Betts is our biggest loss. For certain. However lets just think of where Collingwood are with their side and where we are with our side. Both sides full of youth. Both sides on a rebuild. Do we have a Cloke coming back into our squad. No. We have a Gibbs and a Daisy. Daisy doesn't count, because he is on a retirement plan. Don't forget they have lost players just like us, but their players have always been better than ours.
Here comes our biggest problem. Our ruck and stoppage players should have killed them. Kreuzer made their ruck boy look like a ruck girl. We made little to no use of our clearances. All hard work with no result. That is what frustrates me. if they had the same side they had 2 years ago, and we had the same side we had 2 years ago we would have been smashed by 10 goals minimum. We got out of jail in this game as the umpires finally gave us some slack we rarely get. Your rolly polly eyes can indicate what ever you like, but we hung in on a close one because we got a few lucky bounces and we were given some cotton wool treatment by umpires. We lack courage. We lack desperation. We lack character. We are playing for picks . No doubt about it.
I really donj't mind, but I fear we will screw that up as much as we have the entire club. Don't forget Henderson is gone by seasons end, and Yarran is close to follow. Walker is cooked. 2E is lost in space. Murph has to carry the load. That is the bad news. The worst news is that after watching that game, I did not see the best efforts from all the guys. Not at all.
If I last long enough to see Cripps' whole career I think I'll go out a happy bloke....and maybe, just maybe, I wont have already seen my last flag.
He definitely is a player you can build a team around.
You're not that old Lods. Expect the Extractor to deliver a flag or 3 and you can hold on to see SOC (son of Cripps) get a run. ;)
MilkIt.
Seriously think about my post and your thoughts. Waite has a good game every 5 or 6 games at best. Laidler was dumped by us a while back with no return and I still can't believe we let him go. He was a producer and should have been locked in. Betts and Judd are a loss no doubt. However we don't have Swan, Pendles, Sidebottom, Blair, Elliot, to tear up the middle of the park. I know that. I know we are down in our own stocks. However, when have the pies lost so many games in a row in a season against not all the best sides in the comp.
We lost Waite who really was a toss of the coin player for us. Depending on how he felt on the day. Belting players and being suspended to be a no real fit in this side. Thomas has done sweet FA for us for the entire 2 years and $1.5 million he has cost the side. He is about as useful as tits on a chook. Judd has been tagged since he came over and has not been at his best in his last 2 seasons. His kicking for goal has left him, and he has been expected to carry the load. Either way he was cooked before he put the fork into himself. He knows he played 1 season more than he should have.
Betts is our biggest loss. For certain. However lets just think of where Collingwood are with their side and where we are with our side. Both sides full of youth. Both sides on a rebuild. Do we have a Cloke coming back into our squad. No. We have a Gibbs and a Daisy. Daisy doesn't count, because he is on a retirement plan. Don't forget they have lost players just like us, but their players have always been better than ours.
Here comes our biggest problem. Our ruck and stoppage players should have killed them. Kreuzer made their ruck boy look like a ruck girl. We made little to no use of our clearances. All hard work with no result. That is what frustrates me. if they had the same side they had 2 years ago, and we had the same side we had 2 years ago we would have been smashed by 10 goals minimum. We got out of jail in this game as the umpires finally gave us some slack we rarely get. Your rolly polly eyes can indicate what ever you like, but we hung in on a close one because we got a few lucky bounces and we were given some cotton wool treatment by umpires. We lack courage. We lack desperation. We lack character. We are playing for picks . No doubt about it.
I really donj't mind, but I fear we will screw that up as much as we have the entire club. Don't forget Henderson is gone by seasons end, and Yarran is close to follow. Walker is cooked. 2E is lost in space. Murph has to carry the load. That is the bad news. The worst news is that after watching that game, I did not see the best efforts from all the guys. Not at all.
My point was that past players are irrelevant. You could've made your point by saying that they didn't have Cloke, Macaffer and Goldsack but that's nothing compared to no Judd, Gibbs, Daisy, Yarran and Menzel (regardless of current form). If you compare the players they've lost in the last few years you'll see that they got something just as good in return where as we lost all of our experience for nothing.
By the way, our stoppage players did kill them. There was a point in the game when Cripps had 9 clearances and the whole Collingwood side had 11. The problem was when it was cleared, it was turned over straight away because nobody provides a target and our forward line has no structure.
Would it be fair to say we have stopped running in waves like we did against the two Adelaide teams? Would love to know under whose directive this has been or are the players just not doing it any more? The players have stopped coming out in the media and saying they are allowed to play with more freedom now.
How drunk were you? He did it after he kicked the first goal of the match. lol
I had a free lunch/beer day at the local Footy... I didn't get to see any of the Carlton game.
I'm wrapped he did it.. :)
Would it be fair to say we have stopped running in waves like we did against the two Adelaide teams? Would love to know under whose directive this has been or are the players just not doing it any more? The players have stopped coming out in the media and saying they are allowed to play with more freedom now.
Against port we had Armfield, Gibbs, Graham and even Yarran and Menzel weren't completely crap then.
That's a big difference in a side that's pretty crap.
Would it be fair to say we have stopped running in waves like we did against the two Adelaide teams? Would love to know under whose directive this has been or are the players just not doing it any more? The players have stopped coming out in the media and saying they are allowed to play with more freedom now.
That was Barker's honeymoon period where the players give it their all after the coach gets the chop, didn't last long as expected.
That was Barker's honeymoon period where the players give it their all after the coach gets the chop, didn't last long as expected.
The honey moon period stopped when SOS put the brakes on.
He could see us winning games.
What I took out of the game was the little bit of mongrel some of our younger boys have.
Buckley is a ripper, Holman and Wiley don't take a back step and Cripps towers above most. These new kids on the block like to throw their weight around and fly the flag where necessary.
Definitely heartened by this also. I even took a pot shot at
Smith earlier for being out of his depth but he shaped up to someone (can't remember who) twice his size which was great to see.
What we need now is to
develop these players by 'evening up' their skills vs. deficiencies. Carlton? Develop nascent talent? Haaa HAHAHA haaaa Hahhhhaaaa. Oh, mercy.
The honey moon period stopped when SOS put the brakes on.
He could see us winning games.
That has got to be bullcrap.
You're saying we are tanking - AGAIN - which has worked so well in the past. FFS.
I don't think we are tanking, I think Barker realised he may actually be a shot at the job when we started playing well and he went safe against Freo and Hawthorn with devastating consequences. Same as against North, I note there was no backwards hold on to the ball crap again this week and we played okay.
I don't think we need to tank tbh. Even if we are going to our max. bore there is a low likelihood we can win with the team that we can currently put on the field and that was demonstrated yesterday.
I don't think we need to tank tbh. Even if we are going to our max. bore there is a low likelihood we can win with the team that we can currently put on the field and that was demonstrated yesterday.
We're not going to beat the better teams but with a quality FF up for grabs, you can bet we will be doing everything possible to eliminate any chance of an upset win. We were within 10 points at one stage, collingwood had 30 tackles in the last quarter, that's an absurd amount and we contributed to that IMO.
We're not going to beat the better teams but with a quality FF up for grabs, you can bet we will be doing everything possible to eliminate any chance of an upset win. We were within 10 points at one stage, collingwood had 30 tackles in the last quarter, that's an absurd amount and we contributed to that IMO.
What, you think our players were told to keep running with the ball until they got tackled? :)
Seriously, our intensity dropped right away and we just couldn't go the full distance that's all. Also, we weren't efficient or precise with our disposals - I don't think that was by design tbh, just the way we are atm.
That has got to be bullcrap.
You're saying we are tanking - AGAIN - which has worked so well in the past. FFS.
We are tanking.
Or maybe we are list managing, looking at the new kids.
It's all the same.
Yep
re smith
I wouldn't be too critical of him just yet.
He's a young bloke who hasn't quite come to terms with the pace of the game.
He's just a bit rushed with his decision making at the moment and a bit slow to get rid of the ball...and he's also brushed aside a bit easily and some of his tackles aren't quite sticking....but he has a crack.
Give him twelve months and see if he's still the same player.
Smith is soooo not ready for AFL footy that I find it hard to describe. He has so much to learn and he fumbles terribly. But he is very young and he is willing to tackle and chase. But at the moment he couldn't pick up a cold.
Very raw but still does some okay things.
Can see a lot of potential with Clem. Just needs to hit the gym and the treadmill over Summer
What I took out of the game was the little bit of mongrel some of our younger boys have.
Buckley is a ripper, Holman and Wiley don't take a back step and Cripps towers above most. These new kids on the block like to throw their weight around and fly the flag where necessary.
These kids, including Graham, Walsh, Fields etc etc eg need an energetic young coach who they can develop with and join on the journey.
Yep..
Fair point about the mongrel in the new blood coming through.
No more 'nice' players like Gibbs, Hendo, Jamo etc.
Can't agree on Smith, I would be shocked if he isn't delisted next year.
Don't assume he'll be the same player in twelve months time. ;)
If he is he probably will be for the chop.
(....and it will show our development is still crap)
Just at the moment he's taking too much time to do things that should be automatic....if he executes those a bit quicker suddenly he's of value.
Time will tell with this bloke...but crash is right..... at the moment he's not ready.
Can't agree on Smith, I would be shocked if he isn't delisted next year.
You had Buckley as first delisted two months ago. Good signs for Clem!
Yep..
Fair point about the mongrel in the new blood coming through.
No more 'nice' players like Gibbs, Hendo, Jamo etc.
Agree, but add the skipper
You had Buckley as first delisted two months ago. Good signs for Clem!
I would delist him too, was shocking yesterday.
I would delist him too, was shocking yesterday.
Well there you have it. No need to say any more. Clem will be fine.
Agree, but add the skipper
::)
Really.
Haven't you watched the last two months.
::)
Really.
Haven't you watched the last two months.
agree! ::)
I think Smith shows something, but at the moment he's trying to impose himself and it's not coming off due to his physical limitations and lack of experience.
He was a very highly rated junior and is worth persevering with, given time to find his feet we might have a player.
At least he backs himself which is always good to see in a young player.
I think Smith shows something, but at the moment he's trying to impose himself and it's not coming off due to his physical limitations and lack of experience.
He was a very highly rated junior and is worth persevering with, given time to find his feet we might have a player.
At least he backs himself which is always good to see in a young player.
He needs a lot of work. But he is really young.
we probably lacked that bit of class that Yarran and Menzel could provide....
On the other hand, we had 22 players who gave a decent effort
He needs a lot of work. But he is really young.
Indeed.
Cripps showed nothing much in his first season.
Indeed.
Cripps showed nothing much in his first season.
You mean apart from the broken leg?
Cripps looked like he could play from day 1. Had he not broke his leg, he would have played a lot more.
Mind you, he can still improve, but he does have the sort of things we need: poise, strength, the ability to get the ball, etc. His kicking is the next thing that needs work: move over Casboult, you're about to get a partner or 4 in the goal kicking training.
::)
Really.
Haven't you watched the last two months.
It's the two months before that worries me.
The honey moon period stopped when SOS put the brakes on.
He could see us winning games.
Into the Bottom two, with a Danger game this week!
Into the Bottom two, with a Danger game this week!
Cripps needs a rest(yound body and all that) , murph looked sore, don't want to overwork Krooz after a long lay off.
They are all legit reasons for some more list management.
You mean apart from the broken leg?
There was that but in his few senior appearances he didn't look anything special, on the other hand I saw him play a VFL game last year and it was obvious he was a class above that level.
I'm not suggesting that Clem Smith has the ability of Cripps but he's a first year player who's played a handful of games, we'll know a lot more about him this time next year.
This time last year I thought that Nick Graham was a VFL footballer but I've reconsidered, hopefully Smith will cause a few people to do the same.
bring in jones, yarran tutt, give watson a go in the backline.....henderson in good company with these types
give krooz cripps murph a rest
The Cripps Clearance Clinic :D
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-08-10/cripps-puts-on-a-clinic
Why all the hate on Smith?
How many Pick 60s play football in their first year and don't look like a deer in headlights?
He is way ahead of schedule.
The Cripps Clearance Clinic :D
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2015-08-10/cripps-puts-on-a-clinic
All the media have been making a big push for Hogan for the rising star since the weekend. The common theme is Cripps is good but yeah key positions are so much harder to play.
All the media have been making a big push for Hogan for the rising star since the weekend. The common theme is Cripps is good but yeah key positions are so much harder to play.
How often has Hogan been on the field? Seems like he's in for one out for two.
Cripps deserves the award on what he shown, but...
We won't get the Rising Star award because WE ARE CARLTON.
In many ways the awards just don't seem to go to us. WE just don't seem to get the kudos.
I've got over that. But I still think Cripps deserves this one. Cripps has been a senior player all season and has been tagged already. Hogan has been up and down and has played 2nds football. I don't think there is any question that Cripps has done better.
Will that make a difference? I doubt it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and most of the 'judges' don't want to behold us.
If Cripps wins, it will be extra special considering. If he doesn't, he will still be a champion.
It's nice just to have a contender tbh.
How often has Hogan been on the field? Seems like he's in for one out for two.
Cripps deserves the award on what he shown, but...
We won't get the Rising Star award because WE ARE CARLTON.
1995 - Scott Camporeale VS Nick Holland all over again >:(
Cripps' poor kicking is probably a flaw in his game that might cost him the award. If he had've kicked 11.4 instead of 4.11 it might lean in his favour. Still a gun, though.
Cripps isn't in his first year either, which seems to work against you sometimes.
Neither is Hogan.
I haven’t really commented on the Hawthorn and North games so I thought I would combine my thoughts on our three latest losses.
I think that, regardless of personnel, our slow ball movement and failure to keep a couple of players behind the ball mean that we will not be competitive against reasonable opposition. In one passage of play, we had 29 sequential kicks before scoring a goal (I think it was Boekhorst). While 29 kicks in a row without losing possession is no mean feat, it is tempting fate, particularly against a team like Hawthorn that pounce on the slightest error and make you pay. I suspect that Johnny Barker is trying to limit the damage rather than trying to match the better teams. If so, I would prefer to see us trying to move the ball quickly and get it inside 50 while our marking targets are not out-numbered. For a team that is consistently winning the clearances, we get little benefit and turn the ball over far too often. We will probably still be thumped but we have to start playing more direct and aggressive football.
I have been reasonably happy with Boekhorst. He still has a bit to learn but I think that he is picking up the AFL tempo and showing that he can be competitive. I think that Smith has shown a bit too, although he is still a little out of his depth. Getting these games under his belt should help his development.
I was pleasantly surprised with Whiley’s performance against Collingwood after suspecting that he would be another of our disappointing trades. However, he won plenty of the ball and showed that he is not afraid to throw his weight around. He is not alone in that and it was great to see our young blokes dishing a bit out. Casboult and Kreuzer executed a couple of copy book hip and shoulders too.
I should also comment on Kreuzer’s efforts. His ruckwork against Grundy was some of his best work. Grundy certainly got more hitouts but they were generally ineffective. In contrast, Kreuzer was able to give Cripps and Murphy first use of the ball. Kreuzer's marking has improved a great deal too and is probably back to where it was in his first couple of seasons. It's great to see him attacking the ball and marking cleanly.
It seems fashionable to criticise Everitt but I reckon that we have found one sixth of our forward line. Well, one quarter with Casboult, and perhaps more if we could get the ball inside 50 more quickly and more directly.
We certainly have a very long way to go but there are some promising signs.
Watched the last half again yesterday.
When i saw the game the first time I thought Boek was good in the first half but quiet in the second.
But he was pretty good in the second half as well. Didn't panic with the footy.
Good signs.
I haven’t really commented on the Hawthorn and North games so I thought I would combine my thoughts on our three latest losses.
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We certainly have a very long way to go but there are some promising signs.
Yep, good summary. I don't much do game comments, leave it others with far greater insight than I. But, yes, I liked what I saw from Whiley & Boekhurst last game........for two blokes that were almost gone (according to some) at the midway point of the year, they have at least shown something to work with. Whiley......hit the gym fella, got a body that looks like it will bulk up well into a solid unit. Boekhurst...I reckon confidence will have a massive effect on how he plays. If these two can become regular seniors, it's a big win for us.
I agree re: Everett. Doing the stuff AW was doing in his 50 goal year a few years back. Kruezer....bottle his heart. What a difference. Pray no more bad luck for him for a couple of years & we'll see what he ends up becoming.
cheers
Mal.
Why all the hate on Smith?
How many Pick 60s play football in their first year and don't look like a deer in headlights?
He is way ahead of schedule.
I agree, there have been times he's gone into a contest with real grit, albeit not perfectly timed. With experience no doubt he'll hit the target more often. Looking forward to that.