Friday, 14 August
19:20@Gabba (away)
With Gold Coast coming away with the points against Brisbane last night, the loser will most likely be awarded the spoon at the end of the year.
Brisbane wins and we are then in a race for the lowest percentage (there has been an incredible amount of percentage lost by Carlton already)
Brisbane lose and they'll have locked away last place you'd imagine.
Expect some selection shenanigans.
Will be away for this one, hopefully will settle in at a handy pub. Be interesting, I don't think we'll win tbh.
The Schache vs. Weitering Cup.
I think we need to be careful here, all eyes will be on us after our previous tanking history.
Will be away for this one, hopefully will settle in at a handy pub. Be interesting, I don't think we'll win tbh.
Nil all
I think we need to be careful here, all eyes will be on us after our previous tanking history.
All we need to do is to pick Jones and Viojo-Rainbow, and maybe Johnson (although he does have a go). Then we won't be able to win, no tanking required.
We need to play the system and lock in the NO 1 pick to get Weitering and that means tanking.....it may be unpalatable to some but its the reality of the situation we find ourselves in...
Cripps looked to hurt his shoulder in the last few minutes of yesterdays game.....it wouldn't surprise if he didn't come up. ;)
We need to play the system and lock in the NO 1 pick to get Weitering and that means tanking.....it may be unpalatable to some but its the reality of the situation we find ourselves in...
....and lets face it, we've done most of the hard work already. ;D
I can just see it now. The first ever prosecution for tanking in AFL/VFL history. Lose Weltering, or whoever you guys are after. Lose picks. Get fined. Then we can spend the next 20 years bitching and moaning about this and that. And I'll spend my declining years in a sanatorium in the Pyrenees.
Great.
It would be a disaster to work this hard all year and not win the first pick. :P
(From what I've heard pick 2 should get us Weitering anyway, unless Lions snag Dixon)
All we need to do is to pick Jones and Viojo-Rainbow, and maybe Johnson (although he does have a go). Then we won't be able to win, no tanking required.
Just a couple of times yesterday when we were getting on top I noticed Murphy and Cripps benched.
I can just see it now. The first ever prosecution for tanking in AFL/VFL history. Lose Weltering, or whoever you guys are after. Lose picks. Get fined. Then we can spend the next 20 years bitching and moaning about this and that. And I'll spend my declining years in a sanatorium in the Pyrenees.
Great.
Settle Paul...we wont get fined for tanking as I dont expect to win even with effort but I also expect some changes that will assist our efforts to secure our preferred draft position.
We deserve the best pick we can get given the last three years and we wouldnt be the first team to manipulate where we finish....
Settle Paul...we wont get fined for tanking as I dont expect to win even with effort but I also expect some changes that will assist our efforts to secure our preferred draft position.
We deserve the best pick we can get given the last three years and we wouldnt be the first team to manipulate where we finish....
Players will still have a crack (well, most other teams would) they don't want pick #1 coming in to take their spot in the team. I'd be working my guts out if I was Sam Rowe right now.
I know tanking is very difficult to prove, and I'm sure the AFL would be very wary of setting a precedent, or opening a can of worms. However, they have it in for us, and they didn't get SOS the first time, so who knows ?
Quite apart from this, I don't like what it says about us as a club. But I've stated this before, so i won't repeat it.
match of the round
we won't get done for tanking because we have stated, from the moment MM got the arse, that our priorities are to expose as much of the list to senior footy as is possible.
We are doing that and getting pumped.
Dogs and saints did it for the last few years, nobody raised an eyebrow.
match of the round
Don't laugh as it will be. Brisbane didn't do too bad against GCS. This game could be a draw. We have to find a way to lose by enough to secure that first pick.
Don't laugh as it will be. Brisbane didn't do too bad against GCS. This game could be a draw. We have to find a way to lose by enough to secure that first pick.
we're good at that
Number 1 pick... Isn't that the only way SOS knows how to draft players? ;)
I thought Brisbane have locked in Schache?
Number 1 pick... Isn't that the only way SOS knows how to draft players? ;)
I thought Brisbane have locked in Schache?
That is the talk in the media with what I have heard in the last few days.
The Weitering/Schache cup
Number 1 pick... Isn't that the only way SOS knows how to draft players? ;)
I thought Brisbane have locked in Schache?
We can get the number 1 pick.....and then trade it to Brisbane for the #2 pick and their 3rd rounder...throw in our 4th rounder which we probably wouldn't use anyway. ;)
Get a 3rd round pick for nothing.
We can get the number 1 pick.....and then trade it to Brisbane for the #2 pick and their 3rd rounder...throw in our 4th rounder which we probably wouldn't use anyway. ;)
Get a 3rd round pick for nothing.
If they want Schache as suggested and we want Weitering then why would they bother?....
If they want Schache as suggested and we want Weitering then why would they bother?....
Maybe we want Schache? ;) How do they know who we want??
I think there's a bit of theory that Brisbane will go for Schache because his dad played there.
...But he's not a normal father/son option because his father didn't play the required number of games.
There may be some small emotional commitment given that his father passed away at a very young age....but Brisbane may just as easily go the other way.
Maybe we want Schache? ;) How do they know who we want??
Essendon knew we wanted Boekhorst and not Laverde probably because Laverde told them...I reckon Schache would pass on any info about interest from other clubs
to Brisbane because like Laverde he has his own agenda and thats to get to Brisbane..
Essendon knew we wanted Boekhorst and not Laverde probably because Laverde told them...I reckon Schache would pass on any info about interest from other clubs
to Brisbane because like Laverde he has his own agenda and thats to get to Brisbane..
Whether we intend to take him or not, we'll still do our due diligence on him considering he will be there or thereabouts at our pick.
If we tell him we are not THAT interested, then that is our fault.
Keep your cards close to your chest and keep other teams guessing. Thats when you can get what you want.
Don't play down the roles of their respective managers.
Essendon knew we wanted Boekhorst and not Laverde probably because Laverde told them...I reckon Schache would pass on any info about interest from other clubs
to Brisbane because like Laverde he has his own agenda and thats to get to Brisbane..
Does he really want to go there?
Has he stated that?
He's a Seymour lad.
Brisbane didn't actually do his dad any favours
Does he really want to go there?
Has he stated that?
He's a Seymour lad.
Brisbane didn't actually do his dad any favours
As a likely early pick, Schache hears the talk about his draft chances. He is, of course, happy to go anywhere and wear any colours, and is happy his form is being noticed. But with the Brisbane Lions struggling near the bottom of the ladder – and in desperate need of a young tall forward – he thinks it would mean a little more if they called his name at the end of this year.I think that'd be pretty cool if I ended up at Brisbane. I could go back to where dad was and finish off what he did there........Josh Schache from the AFL website...
As a likely early pick, Schache hears the talk about his draft chances. He is, of course, happy to go anywhere and wear any colours, and is happy his form is being noticed. But with the Brisbane Lions struggling near the bottom of the ladder – and in desperate need of a young tall forward – he thinks it would mean a little more if they called his name at the end of this year.
I think that'd be pretty cool if I ended up at Brisbane. I could go back to where dad was and finish off what he did there........Josh Schache from the AFL website...
Yep
I read that...You would have to know the context...did he volunteer that (in which case he probably is keen), or was it in response to a question..."How would you feel if your Dad's old club picked you up?".
He's not going to say "That wouldn't be very good."
But he could have downplayed it a little more. He wants to go to Brissy IMO.
But he could have downplayed it a little more. He wants to go to Brissy IMO.
You may be right...but I can't possibly think why.
Unless perhaps the club have kept in touch and supported him a bit in the years since his Dad passed away.
Crazy. But IMO Weitering is a clear no1 so if the Lions want to play the 'his Dad played here and his son publically states he wants to play here too' card then go for it.
I'll happily take Weitering with pick 2.
We need another 1st round pick more than we need pick 1 over pick 2... so let's have a win and feel good about ourselves this weekend for 20-30 mins at least.
We need another 1st round pick more than we need pick 1 over pick 2... so let's have a win and feel good about ourselves this weekend for 20-30 mins at least.
If we win we might end up with pick 3.
If we win we might end up with pick 3.
Exactly. We need to lose at least one of the next 2 games and have Gold Coast beat Essendon next week to ensure we end up with pick 2 at least.
Personally I don't care if we get pick 1 or 2 as we need both a KPF and a KPD, but I think we need one of those players more than we need an Aaron Francis type player. I'd almost prefer to end up with pick 2 as it takes the pressure off having to nail that #1 pick.
If we win we might end up with pick 3.
There's a possibility we can still get Weitering with pick 3. He would have to tell both QLD teams that he would be requesting a trade back to Victoria when his initial contract was up, though. a la Chad Wingard.
Don't want to have to make a kid do that though.
There's a possibility we can still get Weitering with pick 3. He would have to tell both QLD teams that he would be requesting a trade back to Victoria when his initial contract was up, though. a la Chad Wingard.
Don't want to have to make a kid do that though.
When we lose this week, there will be no need to hope fthings fall into place. The club won't be interested in giving momentary satisfaction to the 20,000 supporters and 3000 members who will bother watching this game at the risk of a potential 200 game full forward.
I actually hope we win 3 of the last 4 which is possible (can't see us beating the Dawks) and if that means we get pick 3 or even 4, then so be it. More important for the boys to get a winning feel and as someone else commented every bit as important for us to trade in another first round (or two) pick.
IN: Ellard, Jaksch, Dick
OUT: Wood, White, Casboult.
IN: Ellard, Jaksch, Dick
OUT: Wood, White, Casboult.
Ellard back to add that much needed....err......um.......yeah.
Ellard back to add that much needed....err......um.......yeah.
Interested to see Jaksch up forward against a young defence.
Ellard back to add that much needed....err......um.......yeah.
last games to increase trade currency
TANKING , no Yazz or Menzel !!!
TANKING , no Yazz or Menzel !!!
By all reports, Yarran didn't come close to showing he deserved his spot back.
last games to increase trade currency
Ellard would need to do something extraordinary to develop any amount of trade currency.
last games to increase trade currency
That'd from a higher 5th round pick to a lower 5th round pick.
IN: Ellard, Jaksch, Dick
OUT: Wood, White, Casboult.
We are tanking, no doubt.
I know that Wood probably needs time in the 2's to regain his form and play a full game, but with no Casboult, who is going to do the ruck work when Kreuzer tires?
If we are tanking, and Watson is so hopeless, why aren't we playing him?
Why no Levi?
Why no Levi?
I wanted to ask this as well. Injured ?
Knee
There's nothing on the CFC website, and a very quick google search returned nothing. Do you have a link ?
Carlton
B: Sam Rowe, Michael Jamison, Clem Smith.
HB: Dylan Buckley, Sam Docherty, Zach Tuohy.
C: Mark Whiley, Andrew Carrazzo, Kade Simpson.
HF: Tom Bell, Matthew Dick, David Ellard.
F: Lachie Henderson, Andrejs Everitt, Andrew Walker.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy.
Int: Blaine Boekhorst, Ed Curnow, Nick Holman, Kristian Jaksch.
Emg: Blaine Johnson, Brad Walsh, Matthew Watson.
In: Matthew Dick, David Ellard, Kristian Jaksch.
Out: Cameron Wood (Omitted), Simon White (Knee), Levi Casboult (Knee)
Brisbane Lions
B: Liam Dawson, Daniel Merrett, Sam Mayes.
HB: Marco Paparone, Harris Andrews, Daniel Rich.
C: Dayne Zorko, Jack Redden, Lewis Taylor.
HF: Allen Christensen, Luke McGuane, Jed Adcock.
F: Daniel McStay, Jonathan Freeman, Trent West.
Foll: Stefan Martin, Tom Rockliff, Pearce Hanley.
Int: Mitch Robinson, Tom Cutler, Billy Evans, Zac O'Brien.
Emg: Josh Watts, Mitch Golby, Hugh Beasley.
In: Trent West, Tom Cutler.
Out: Justin Clarke (Jaw), Rohan Bewick (Omitted)
We don't appear to have many guys left with White and Casboult listed as injured, but this is ridiculous.
As for Watson not playing, he very well may as yet: he is the emergency with height.
Honestly, looking at these teams, Brisbane should win easily. By goals! We are playing the Northern Blues boys in all but name.
They are playing a lot of talks, Brisbane by 6 goals.
Guess Rowe will do a bit of ruck work with Jaksch in defence.
Such a weak midfield. Still it will be good to see a few players. Boekhorst has strung together some decent games for a first year player, and cripps gets another game under his belt.
Go blues. Pray there is no discussion of tanking, implicit or not by the club. It is a cancer in a team. They must be picking the best side to win every week, otherwise what is the point. Losing begets losing. That being said, the selection of ellard is odd. Perhaps menzal is on his way out.
Still wouldn't surprise me to see Cripps as a late out.
Copped a bit of a shoulder injury at the end of the Collingwood game.
Did anyone see how he went at training through the week
There's nothing on the CFC website, and a very quick google search returned nothing. Do you have a link ?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/carlton/news/2015-08-13/team-selection-round-20
In: Matthew Dick, David Ellard, Kristian Jaksch.
Out: Cameron Wood (Omitted), Simon White (Knee), Levi Casboult (Knee)
We're back to our spud rotation policy of 2005.
Brisbane are no good but crikey this is a weak Carlton team.
Wooden spoon here we come. That first pick will be easier to get now. Dick of all people ?
This team selection makes me feel uneasy.
At least Jaksch, Whiley and Boekhurst are all playing, we actually did get three for the price of one. ;)
It's a tough gig being a Carlton supporter.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/carlton/news/2015-08-13/team-selection-round-20
Thanks enz. Here I was thinking that injured players would be listed in the injury list section of the website.
There's still a fair bit of experience in that team. Not anywhere near our best 22, but enough for yet another "honorable loss" against the Lions.
I fear our forward line will struggle to kick more than about 7 goals versus the second bottom side...
I fear our forward line will struggle to kick more than about 7 goals versus the second bottom side...
Do we have a forward line?
I fear our forward line will struggle to kick more than about 7 goals versus the second bottom side...
Agree...No Casboult means no marks inside 50...no Menzel either after he played ok in the NB;s...the tank is on...
If we win we might end up with pick 3.
If we win, and Brisbane push the bergers price up enough, and we jump Gold Coast - we could get pick 4.
I fear our forward line will struggle to kick more than about 7 goals versus the second bottom side...
Dont fear it.. embrace it.
Love the selections (except i would have Walsh for Davey). More games into kids, guys getting a good run at it and hopefully a nice competitive loss.
If we win, and Brisbane push the bergers price up enough, and we jump Gold Coast - we could get pick 4.
Free agency is officially a farce if they get pick 2 as compo for Leunberger after we got nothing for Waite.
Free agency is officially a farce if they get pick 2 as compo for Leunberger after we got nothing for Waite.
Not free agency, the AFL
If Jones was playing then everyone would know we are tanking ;)
Dont fear it.. embrace it.
Love the selections (except i would have Walsh for Davey). More games into kids, guys getting a good run at it and hopefully a nice competitive loss.
Best way to look at it. If we were vying for a position in the 8 our selections would, of course, be different. But we're not, we're at the bottom of the table and already looking to next year in terms of assessing who gets a guernsey at year's end and who gets traded and who gets the heave ho. Of course you play the kids. Of course you don't take the slightest risk with injured blokes. Of course you put injured blokes out for surgery. Of course you experiment.
To the cynical mind you could mount a conspiracy case for tanking but to me it looks as if we're doing exactly what we should be doing in the best long term interest of the club factoring in the reality of where we are right now. I still think we're in with a good chance to win tomorrow and against Melbourne and against GWS.
It's one of the main reasons when I was in Oz (back later in the year... yah!) to go see NBs games, to see who's coming through. Winning was great, but if we lost but a newbie shone - great stuff. If we win tomorrow night - great. But if we lose and we get another game into blokes who might not have otherwise gotten one - great, more preparation for 2016. If we get a look at someone under real heat in preparation for 2016 who might not have gotten a gig this year - great. And you can bet that the Aints, cheats.com.au, GCS and Dees are doing exactly the same thing but because there're not as close to the bottom as us and BrisVegas there is no tanking suspicion.
Well said Baggers. Looking forward to Holman, Whiley and Jaksch getting another go.
I don't want pick 1.
It never. Turns out to be the best player of that draft.
I want pick 2.
Let's get some wins.
It would be better for us if Jaksch kicks six goals, and we win by thirty after a dominant Whiley performance than to lose and get pick 1.
I'd like pick 1 so we can nab a good player coming out of contract in the PSD and not have to trade for them...beating Brisbane doesnt count for much IMO and
I have my doubts on their winning intentions for this game anyway as they are in the same situation as us...
I'd like pick 1 so we can nab a good player coming out of contract in the PSD and not have to trade for them...beating Brisbane doesnt count for much IMO and
I have my doubts on their winning intentions for this game anyway as they are in the same situation as us...
I agree on the PSD. Almost as good as having pick one in the National Draft. I could live with pick 2 as I still think we'll get Weitering but if we win we probably go ahead of Gold Coast and that's pick 3.
Let's not forget that we have to lose comfortably for the Lions to make up the % to go above us and get pick 1 as well.
If you are picked at 2 you have a point to prove! ;)
I don't want pick 1.
It never. Turns out to be the best player of that draft.
I want pick 2.
Let's get some wins.
It would be better for us if Jaksch kicks six goals, and we win by thirty after a dominant Whiley performance than to lose and get pick 1.
Agree.
I don't want pick 1.
It never. Turns out to be the best player of that draft.
I want pick 2.
Let's get some wins.
It would be better for us if Jaksch kicks six goals, and we win by thirty after a dominant Whiley performance than to lose and get pick 1.
Do you live in a cloud kingdom full of lollipop horses?
I'd love for this to happen, what are the chances?
I don't want pick 1.
It never. Turns out to be the best player of that draft.
I want pick 2.
Let's get some wins.
It would be better for us if Jaksch kicks six goals, and we win by thirty after a dominant Whiley performance than to lose and get pick 1.
Winning will see us leap above the GOLD Coast.
This isn't about pick one, its about wither Shache or Weitering.
Winning will see us leap above the GOLD Coast.
This isn't about pick one, its about wither Shache or Weitering.
Damn, I thought we had a game up our sleeves. We'll probably see Watto in for Jamo.
In fairness though this is a weak draft. Weitering could be the next Jack Watts and Scache the next Lachie Whitfield.
In fairness though this is a weak draft. Weitering could be the next Jack Watts and Scache the next Lachie Whitfield.
I think it's more "shallow" than "weak" and if we're going into the draft with that attitude then we may as well just trade our picks for players.
I'm just saying I don't think it's worth throwing a games for and I don't think we are.
Lions are at home. They will get over the line as they will run us off our legs.
In fairness though this is a weak draft. Weitering could be the next Jack Watts and Scache the next Lachie Whitfield.
I think shallow is more accurate than weak, but there is always a chance that top draft picks will flop - as we, and the supporters of several other clubs, well know. I'd be more inclined to pick Francis but that's a topic for another thread.
Our 22 is far from our best but I'd like to think that we're in with a chance. I'll be disappointed if we don't give it a red hot go!
Best way to look at it. If we were vying for a position in the 8 our selections would, of course, be different. But we're not, we're at the bottom of the table and already looking to next year in terms of assessing who gets a guernsey at year's end and who gets traded and who gets the heave ho. Of course you play the kids. Of course you don't take the slightest risk with injured blokes. Of course you put injured blokes out for surgery. Of course you experiment.
To the cynical mind you could mount a conspiracy case for tanking but to me it looks as if we're doing exactly what we should be doing in the best long term interest of the club factoring in the reality of where we are right now. I still think we're in with a good chance to win tomorrow and against Melbourne and against GWS.
It's one of the main reasons when I was in Oz (back later in the year... yah!) to go see NBs games, to see who's coming through. Winning was great, but if we lost but a newbie shone - great stuff. If we win tomorrow night - great. But if we lose and we get another game into blokes who might not have otherwise gotten one - great, more preparation for 2016. If we get a look at someone under real heat in preparation for 2016 who might not have gotten a gig this year - great. And you can bet that the Aints, cheats.com.au, GCS and Dees are doing exactly the same thing but because there're not as close to the bottom as us and BrisVegas there is no tanking suspicion.
I agree....but i thought i did all that about 10 years ago!
Weitering is a good footballer, played on men and held his own, beat Schache in the U18 Carnival and has some leadership skills which is what we lack...its a no brainer IMO and the no brainers are about the only picks we get right so we need to keep it simple and pick him which means engineering the No 1 pick..
Do you live in a cloud kingdom full of lollipop horses?
I'd love for this to happen, what are the chances?
That's the best dream scenario you could come up with?
The playboy mansion as heffner's heir apparent would be my number 1 choice of fantasy dream land.
The chances of it happening are small but with Brisbane aiming low, the chances increase.
I'm making up my mind on the 'list management' strategy tonight.
Cripps plays.....we're going for the wins.(He'll beat them by himself)
Cripps doesn't play....we're going for the pick. ;)
I'm making up my mind on the 'list management' strategy tonight.
Cripps plays.....we're going for the wins.(He'll beat them by himself)
Cripps doesn't play....we're going for the pick. ;)
Cripps subbed out??
Cripps subbed out??
Picks ;)
He copped a knock last week...hurt his shoulder.
It would be quite easy for him not to make it or go out early.
I'm making up my mind on the 'list management' strategy tonight.
Cripps plays.....we're going for the wins.(He'll beat them by himself)
Cripps doesn't play....we're going for the pick. ;)
Ellard is a suspicious inclusion