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Title: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: crashlander on August 11, 2017, 01:08:01 pm
Can we create a political solution to this conflict? I don't know. I just want us to win the conflict! :)
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: crashlander on August 12, 2017, 10:21:46 pm
Another close loss. It looks like that is the way we play this year.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: laj on August 12, 2017, 10:23:04 pm
Another close loss. It looks like that is the way we play this year.
7th time we've been in front/level in the last qtr and lost this year. Win most of them and you play finals.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: crashlander on August 12, 2017, 10:25:36 pm
Indeed. Considering our structural and injury issues, we have got so close to so many teams who consider themselves potential finalists. However, we seem to falter in the last quarter. Only a couple of time all year have we won final quarters and they were great wins. Too many times we get close and make mistakes or allow them to get some momentum. I hate it.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Micky0 on August 12, 2017, 10:28:09 pm
screw screw screw it

Yes yes all good but screw why can't one of these screwing games go out way?!

Don't they call HTB anymore unless it's against us to them in front of goal to kill our momentum?!

Liked what I saw in Pickett, Fish, Samo...
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: cookie2 on August 12, 2017, 10:29:03 pm
Another close loss. It looks like that is the way we play this year.

Just don't quite yet have the experience/firepower. Watch this space.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LP on August 12, 2017, 10:33:31 pm
Charlie Curnow should win the NAB Rising Star easily this year, hang on he doesn't play for Melbourne! :(
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: blue4life on August 12, 2017, 10:33:52 pm
Just don't quite yet have the experience/firepower. Watch this space.

Inexperience and injury.
Add Cripps, Byrne, Ed, McKay and Cunningham, stir and marinade for 12 months and you've got a very tasty football team.
And then there's pick one or two!
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LoveNavy on August 12, 2017, 10:34:38 pm
Another close loss. It looks like that is the way we play this year.

Fabulous indeed, only 18mths into a rebuild. We're playing kids against men and still taking it up to them. Soooo much better than the embarrassing floggings and 'no show' performances of the previous era.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: BluePhantom on August 12, 2017, 10:35:36 pm
Frigging umpires  why do they pay htb when there is no prior.?
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: mateinone on August 12, 2017, 10:37:57 pm
I am honestly completely okay with the result, of course I prefer to win and last week also, but then part of me says it doesn't matter as much as seeing the growth the club has asked us to buy into and I seen plenty of that tonight with Pickett, Fisher, Seton  & Curnow all good or very good in flashes or in some cases throughout. Jack was having a shocker, but nailed two crucial goals to bring us back into it also.

So yeah I can take this result and march forward, to me I believe this is where we start to look at Phase two, where the completely defensive game plan starts to evolve and our players are given more license to run and carry, whilst also having that background of understanding their defensive/team roles.

So whilst I do buy completely, hook, line & sinker into this game plan, next year is the year we must start winning these winnable games. Next year is the year we need to get ourselves up to at least 10th, as that team sitting just outside the finals (or hopefully in) that could very well be playing finals with a bit of luck.

If we are an evolving/learning team, then the game plan and the results need to reflect this evolution.

Well done to the lads on heading to the West putting up a good fight and almost getting it done. For not chucking in the towel into the breeze in the last and for showing us they can take on players and beat them.

Now next year show us that you can ice games!
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LoveNavy on August 12, 2017, 10:39:53 pm
Charlie Curnow should win the NAB Rising Star easily this year, hang on he doesn't play for Melbourne! :(

He was fantastic tonight. He's been as good as more than half the senior players for weeks now.

Maybe Kouta's on the voting panel. He loves Charlie ^-^. Might swing a few votes his way. OK I'm fantasizing, but seriously he's a jet.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: mateinone on August 12, 2017, 10:44:04 pm
I think Charlie is the best kid in the game at the moment, but he can't win it because he didn't get his nomination until late. Long after all the journos have been talking up the front runners.

If they were fair dinkum he should win it, but I predict he won't get a vote
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LoveNavy on August 12, 2017, 10:48:15 pm
Great post MIO.

A very pleasing result for this group. What with injuries, inexperience, travel, and some unlucky ( :o) umpiring decisions, we can hold our head's high. This is a seasoned finals bound side with the most dangerous KPF of the last few years, and 2 Brownlow  medalists. We nearly knocked them off ^-^
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Barbs on August 12, 2017, 10:49:35 pm
Frigging umpires  why do they pay htb when there is no prior.?
Depends who is holding it and who is tackling. If we are tackled it's holding it, when we lay the lay they can just drop it or hand it to their team mates.
Umpires royally screwed us tonight.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: mateinone on August 12, 2017, 10:50:55 pm
And this year is not ridiculously strong.
Compare (for example) the numbers of Burton vs Cripps the year Cripps didn't win it.
The gap is embarrassing.

Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: blue4life on August 12, 2017, 10:51:14 pm
I think Charlie is the best kid in the game at the moment, but he can't win it because he didn't get his nomination until late. Long after all the journos have been talking up the front runners.

If they were fair dinkum he should win it, but I predict he won't get a vote

As good as Charlie is Sam Petrevski-Seton's first season has been as good as any that I can remember, and he was great again tonight.
It's scary to think of how good he might be in two or three years.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Micky0 on August 12, 2017, 11:03:50 pm
Weiters also had a bit of attitude in him - he is a bloody good player
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: LoveNavy on August 12, 2017, 11:58:52 pm
Our seniors stepped up tonight. Our second tier players played their role. Our kids were bloody fantastic against hard bodied seasoned  opponents. Samo, Weiters, Charlie, SOJ, Zac, Williamson, Pickett. It's hard to believe they're 1st and 2nd year players (allowing for injuries).

When we add Cripps, Ed, Byrne, Marchbank, Cunningham etc plus a quality mid or two, the future looks bright. Oh, add pick 1 to that...
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Swan43 on August 13, 2017, 12:26:54 am
Hate,hate,hate potting umps but four goals or more . . . Ffs
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 13, 2017, 12:34:56 am
West Coast are garbage, they should be bottom 8, without Kennedy and the umps handing him and them goals we would have won that game..
It was a game riddled with errors but had the odd highlights, some of Picketts runs were very good and I even liked Boekhorst's blind turn and delivery..plus boundary line goal.
Charlie Curnow played very well and should be the rising star winner...played on McGovern who is a class act and did very well IMO..
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: dodge on August 13, 2017, 08:55:20 am
I liked Pickett last night.   I couldn't stop calling him Wilson lay night. ..
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Raydan on August 13, 2017, 09:35:53 am
Cant fault effort, just the execution, so many little mistakes and the goal kicking in the second quarter. Umpiring decisions were terrible and cost us goals, how was Plowmans mark? Should have been cleared out of the 50 instead the next play phase resulted in a West Coast goal.

How was the attack when we played on? Noticed it worked when our senior players didn't get involved. The really good waves forward used Pickett, SPS, Fisher, Boekhurst, Lamb, Docherty, Silvagni and Charlie. Liked what I saw of Williamson's game too, such a hard runner, saw him on the boundary there one time and the ball spilled out, he was stuffed but he dropped his head bum went up and he ran again.

As mentioned before 7 games where we were either level or ahead in the last quarter just shows that the frame work and coaching is right, we just need the players maturation and experience to catch up. I noticed that Lamb has played 46 games and I consider him to be starting to hit the next level on the field, he will be a crafty player and kicks the ball very well with a real games sense.

Pickett was the player that shone out to me this week, fast hard and deadly. I liked Derms comment in that he looks like he starting to believe. Sure he was drafted 3 years ago but less that 10 games and look what he's starting to do, build the tank, keep running hard both ways and wow! Geelong supporters are snickering about the Touhy trade saying they got a steal for Smedts, but this was the trade that got us Marchbank and Pickett, let's revisit that in three years time shall we?  >:D

SPS is a dancing machine, what he can do in a one meter space defies belief, don't worry about calling him the Falls Creek cowboy, call him Matrix cause it does matter how much you throw at him, you just can't touch him.

Fisher got more of the ball this week but and some of his handballs to advantage were top notch, kicking is still an issue but his best game since his debut one.

I woke up this morning knowing it was a loss but feeling like a bit of a win, our younger players all took a shuffle forward this week, mind you West Coast are crap, overrated, protected in the West and old. Dud team. Are Eagles fans the dumbest in the AFL? No idea of the rules or good play just give us another free ump.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Professer E on August 13, 2017, 10:16:42 am
Appreciate the positive reviews people, I detest these games where there is such limited coverage.  Thank you all.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2017, 12:07:34 pm
Pickett was the player that shone out to me this week, fast hard and deadly. I liked Derms comment in that he looks like he starting to believe. Sure he was drafted 3 years ago but less that 10 games and look what he's starting to do, build the tank, keep running hard both ways and wow! Geelong supporters are snickering about the Touhy trade saying they got a steal for Smedts, but this was the trade that got us Marchbank and Pickett, let's revisit that in three years time shall we?  >:D

Pickett was the standout for me. Very strong in the hips. How many tackles did he simply walk through and kept on running.

Definitely starting to get that belief. Hopefully he continues in the last couple games and is full steam ahead for next season.

People forget he was taken @pick 4 and had some injuries before we got out hands on him.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Jean-Claude on August 13, 2017, 12:23:07 pm
Pickett was the standout for me. Very strong in the hips. How many tackles did he simply walk through and kept on running.

Definitely starting to get that belief. Hopefully he continues in the last couple games and is full steam ahead for next season.

People forget he was taken @pick 4 and had some injuries before we got out hands on him.

I was flicking between the match and Liverpool's match, but I did see one particular passage where he just seemed to shrug his hips and power through a couple tackles. Good to hear has was a shining light. I said this last week, we need to have that pace in the team.

Also why I love when Derm is part of the commentary, him and Roos are the only two who understand the game at a high level, the rest just regurgitate what they see.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Vivian on August 13, 2017, 01:23:11 pm
I was flicking between the match and Liverpool's match, but I did see one particular passage where he just seemed to shrug his hips and power through a couple tackles. Good to hear has was a shining light. I said this last week, we need to have that pace in the team.

Also why I love when Derm is part of the commentary, him and Roos are the only two who understand the game at a high level, the rest just regurgitate what they see.

Agree about derm, he explains the game well and adds something to the TV picture.

Liked our run last night. We continued to spray it going in but as much of our year has shown, a shoddy forward line is half the problem.much promise from Pickett and Fisher, showing how important getting games into young players is. Same for curnow, SPS, williamson and silvagni.

Beating hawthorn next week would be grand.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Thryleon on August 13, 2017, 11:36:30 pm
There was a five goal gale blowing towards the city end of the ground.

Had we capitalised better on it in the first quarter we would have won. Instead we let the Eagles score against the run of play, and at quarter time down, I knew that it would bite us in the backside.

It speaks for how tough we cracked in during the fourth to make it go to the wire. 

The incorrect disposal rule I've been banging on about absolutely was rubbish.   If you tackle a bloke and he fails to dispose of it with a handball or a kick, it's an incorrect disposal and the ball should be dead, yet the Eagles managed to kick a goal after a teamate was tackled and failed to get boot to ball.

Despicable in the context of how tight this match was.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: PaulP on August 14, 2017, 09:03:59 am
There was a five goal gale blowing towards the city end of the ground.

Had we capitalised better on it in the first quarter we would have won. Instead we let the Eagles score against the run of play, and at quarter time down, I knew that it would bite us in the backside.

It speaks for how tough we cracked in during the fourth to make it go to the wire. 

The incorrect disposal rule I've been banging on about absolutely was rubbish.   If you tackle a bloke and he fails to dispose of it with a handball or a kick, it's an incorrect disposal and the ball should be dead, yet the Eagles managed to kick a goal after a teamate was tackled and failed to get boot to ball.

Despicable in the context of how tight this match was.

Shades of the 2011 semi final. Seems to happen a lot over there. Maybe they have a different rule book.
Title: Re: Rd 21: Post Game Political Solution: Carlton vs West Coast
Post by: Baggers on August 14, 2017, 11:05:17 am
There was a five goal gale blowing towards the city end of the ground.

Had we capitalised better on it in the first quarter we would have won.

In a nutshell.