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Title: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on August 13, 2017, 02:10:45 pm
We haven't beaten Hawthorn in quite some time. I would really like to give them a pounding they will never forget.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 13, 2017, 03:33:45 pm
We haven't beaten Hawthorn in quite some time. I would really like to give them a pounding they will never forget.

Not this time I'm afraid.

Hawks by 6 goals.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 13, 2017, 04:48:47 pm
Not this time I'm afraid.

Hawks by 6 goals.


Agree...OMeara played 3/4 with the Box Hill Hawks and did very well so I reckon he might be an in.....Levi might do well this week as Ben Brown is troubling Hawthorn even though the umps refuse to pay him marks.
LIam Jones vs Roughead should be a great battle...Roughy is the most team orientated forward playing the game and is always setting up other players.
Interesting to see Burton vs Curnow in the battle of the rising stars......
Tom Mitchell is the man we need to tag....Nth have tried today and failed in the first half...
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: JonHenry on August 13, 2017, 04:51:58 pm
Did Kruezer get a clean bill of health after the game.
Looked sore and limping at the end
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 13, 2017, 04:58:53 pm

Agree...OMeara played 3/4 with the Box Hill Hawks and did very well so I reckon he might be an in.....Levi might do well this week as Ben Brown is troubling Hawthorn even though the umps refuse to pay him marks.
LIam Jones vs Roughead should be a great battle...Roughy is the most team orientated forward playing the game and is always setting up other players.
Interesting to see Burton vs Curnow in the battle of the rising stars......
Tom Mitchell is the man we need to tag....Nth have tried today and failed in the first half...

Yes, we also need to follow the Tigers method of manic pressure on the ball carrier and make sure we give them no time and space to play their precise uncontested kicking game. If we play too much of a zone, or too much flooding, it will make it too easy for them I reckon. If anyone will know their tactics, it will be Bolts, so he should be a monty to get it right.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 13, 2017, 05:01:12 pm
Did Kruezer get a clean bill of health after the game.
Looked sore and limping at the end

The AFL website is not reporting any "official" injuries, so we might have to wait for Macca's  weekly report.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2017, 05:08:17 pm

Agree...OMeara played 3/4 with the Box Hill Hawks and did very well so I reckon he might be an in.....

Hawks have said that O'Meara is playing 2's for the rest of the year.

If he plays 1 more AFL game he will not be eligible to play finals for Box Hill...and they want to get as many games into him as they can...and would like Box Hill to go deep into finals as well.

Chance of O'Meara playing is 0.01%.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 13, 2017, 06:06:25 pm
Hawks have said that O'Meara is playing 2's for the rest of the year.

If he plays 1 more AFL game he will not be eligible to play finals for Box Hill...and they want to get as many games into him as they can...and would like Box Hill to go deep into finals as well.

Chance of O'Meara playing is 0.01%.

Fair enough, then he probably wont play, not sure why he is playing at all unless Hawks think they can sneak into the eight...
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 13, 2017, 06:19:51 pm
Fair enough, then he probably wont play, not sure why he is playing at all unless Hawks think they can sneak into the eight...

Fitness, confidence, getting a good look at what he is capable of.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Thryleon on August 13, 2017, 11:38:19 pm
I had this pencilled in as a win from a few weeks ago.

Make it so footy gods.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on August 14, 2017, 08:47:43 am
Fair enough, then he probably wont play, not sure why he is playing at all unless Hawks think they can sneak into the eight...
I believe they want to play him in the VFL finals, as Box Hill are definitely there. To qualify he has to play VFL this week at least, not AFL.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: madbluboy on August 14, 2017, 10:43:51 am
Hopefully we see a Ryan Burton/Charlie Curnow match up.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: flyboy77 on August 14, 2017, 11:55:13 am
Hopefully we see a Ryan Burton/Charlie Curnow match up.

Charlie's a much bigger unit, with, you'd imagine, far better endurance....
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: LP on August 14, 2017, 01:23:06 pm
I believe they want to play him in the VFL finals, as Box Hill are definitely there. To qualify he has to play VFL this week at least, not AFL.

You mean they care about winning at the lower levels, what sort of crazy culture are they trying to build at that club?

Look at us, we don't give a ratsar5e about winning at Preston!
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: spf on August 14, 2017, 01:51:14 pm
You mean they care about winning at the lower levels, what sort of crazy culture are they trying to build at that club?

Look at us, we don't give a ratsar5e about winning at Preston!

Perhaps the same culture that built the successful Geelong teams of the mid 2000's, I remember reading articles where Brian Cook specifically said that they kept Bartel, Ablett and others together in the reserves so they would learn to play together and enjoy some success. When they finally progressed to seniors they were ready to play.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: blue4life on August 15, 2017, 11:08:16 am
Byrne for Armfield is the only change I can see unless Marchbank is good to go in which case he'd probably replace Smedts.
Boekhorst and Pickett probably did enough to hold their spots.
I reckon this is 50/50, Hawthorn aren't what they were and are missing a few good players.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on August 15, 2017, 11:30:10 am
Byrne for Armfield is the only change I can see unless Marchbank is good to go in which case he'd probably replace Smedts.
Boekhorst and Pickett probably did enough to hold their spots.
I reckon this is 50/50, Hawthorn aren't what they were and are missing a few good players.

The Hawks are tenacious if nothing else - we need to match that.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: blue4life on August 15, 2017, 11:32:56 am
The Hawks are tenacious if nothing else - we need to match that.


Our tenacity isn't a problem, our problem is running out games.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on August 15, 2017, 11:40:51 am

Our tenacity isn't a problem, our problem is running out games.

We are definitely prone to lapses. That's still a problem in my book as we get behind and then have to play catch up. And dropping your bundle and not running out games is a sign of a lapse in tenacity also, surely?  ???

Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: blue4life on August 15, 2017, 12:02:43 pm
We are definitely prone to lapses. That's still a problem in my book as we get behind and then have to play catch up. And dropping your bundle and not running out games is a sign of a lapse in tenacity also, surely?  ???

I don't think that we drop our bundle, I think that due to the number of youngsters in the side we lack stamina and can be overrun late in games, physical tiredness also leads to mental lapses. 
It will be less of a problem next year and won't be an issue in 2019, meanwhile we just have to be patient.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: LP on August 15, 2017, 12:08:33 pm
I don't think that we drop our bundle.

I agree, I think Charlie Curnow shows the exact opposite, he looks like he wants the kick that makes some other players wobble! Charlie has an "Air of the Duck!" about his play!
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 15, 2017, 12:23:31 pm
Our manning up is poor, Tom Mitchell will get 40 plus possies unless some of our mids get accountable, its the same most weeks, our blokes get their 25-30 possies but so do the opposition and they just use the ball better in the big moments.
The Simpson/Docherty rebound side show is also over...players like Bruest will need a direct opponent, not someone who is kick chasing and playing too far off their man...
I'm going to the game with my son and  some of the inlaws who are Hawks supporters so I will be watching the tactics closely and getting an idea of who is and isnt doing their job...
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on August 15, 2017, 12:25:48 pm
I don't think that we drop our bundle, I think that due to the number of youngsters in the side we lack stamina and can be overrun late in games, physical tiredness also leads to mental lapses. 
It will be less of a problem next year and won't be an issue in 2019, meanwhile we just have to be patient.

Hopefully we will be better next year.

I am not arguing over the reasons/causes but, use whatever words you like (semantics), the important thing is we can't always see things through for the whole game atm and that's a major cause as to why we have had problems winning. We need to be more tenacious and that will require more physical and mental maturity and conditioning. We'll get there I have no doubt.

From what I've seen of the Hawks this year, even though they may be struggling in relative terms, if we have such lapses on Sat, they will most likely punish us.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 15, 2017, 01:01:04 pm
Our manning up is poor, Tom Mitchell will get 40 plus possies unless some of our mids get accountable, its the same most weeks, our blokes get their 25-30 possies but so do the opposition and they just use the ball better in the big moments.
The Simpson/Docherty rebound side show is also over...players like Bruest will need a direct opponent, not someone who is kick chasing and playing too far off their man...
I'm going to the game with my son and  some of the inlaws who are Hawks supporters so I will be watching the tactics closely and getting an idea of who is and isnt doing their job...
Im being selfish here but Im am in our Fantasy Footy GF this week and I need a big one from Tommy this week ;D
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: bmaurizio on August 15, 2017, 01:47:40 pm
Hopefully we will be better next year.

I am not arguing over the reasons/causes but, use whatever words you like (semantics), the important thing is we can't always see things through for the whole game atm and that's a major cause as to why we have had problems winning. We need to be more tenacious and that will require more physical and mental maturity and conditioning. We'll get there I have no doubt.

From what I've seen of the Hawks this year, even though they may be struggling in relative terms, if we have such lapses on Sat, they will most likely punish us.



Agree with your assesment , as much as I'd love another win for the season just can't see it happening.
It may not be a bad thing tatically for this trade period and draft. We'e fading a little, as injuries  are taking toll and the kids are  tired.
2018 will be a great , additional elite talent coming in, hopefullu will  rectify the midfield and next year  Ben Silvagni and perhaps  one of the King brothers will spell the end of our KPF woes.
Go Baggers
Nest
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: LP on August 15, 2017, 02:47:07 pm
Gibson has announced his retirement!
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 15, 2017, 03:13:46 pm
Gibson has announced his retirement!
There is a fair team forming there (with more to come)

FB Gibson   
HB Hodge   Murphy
C  Thompson Mitchell   
HF Riewolt   
FF Stevie J   White   
R Maric Priddis Watson*
         
Int Armfield      
         
Coach Eade      
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 15, 2017, 05:42:21 pm
There is a fair team forming there (with more to come)

FB Gibson   
HB Hodge   Murphy
C  Thompson Mitchell   
HF Riewolt   
FF Stevie J   White   
R Maric Priddis Watson*
         
Int Armfield      
         
Coach Eade

Not sure Eade has retired, but Neil Craig has.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 15, 2017, 05:47:22 pm
Not sure Eade has retired, but Neil Craig has.

I think I read somewhere that Eade said he is done with coaching, but not sure if he would consider other roles.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 15, 2017, 05:49:43 pm
Here it is :

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/dumped-gold-coast-suns-coach-rodney-eade-says-experience-is-the-way-to-go-for-a-new-boss/news-story/a67ebf10d85dfc9e962173acdc3040f9
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 15, 2017, 06:35:53 pm
Here it is :

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/dumped-gold-coast-suns-coach-rodney-eade-says-experience-is-the-way-to-go-for-a-new-boss/news-story/a67ebf10d85dfc9e962173acdc3040f9

I like the part where Eade says the team needs bigger bodies. Note to Bolts - more Cripps, less Mr Puniverse.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Raydan on August 15, 2017, 06:57:33 pm
There is a fair team forming there (with more to come)

FB Gibson   
HB Hodge   Murphy
C  Thompson Mitchell   
HF Riewolt   
FF Stevie J   White   
R Maric Priddis Watson*
         
Int Armfield      
         
Coach Eade

Geeze if you're going to chuck a dud in like White at FF then surely Dennis get's a gig on the HFF rather than the bench
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 15, 2017, 07:15:27 pm
Geeze if you're going to chuck a dud in like White at FF then surely Dennis get's a gig on the HFF rather than the bench
Sorry mate, I was just filling lines, not much thought went into it other than the asterisk on Jab, Was just sayin'.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 15, 2017, 08:26:24 pm
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-15/hawks-to-consider-rushing-omeara-back
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: townsendcalling on August 16, 2017, 01:43:54 pm
Let O'Meara play, he'll be knackered half way through the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on August 17, 2017, 06:18:03 pm
Nick Graham should be available this week. His suspension should be over. Whether he plays seniors or VFL will depend on how much we want the NBs in the finals. The NBs have to win both games and have things go their way to make it, but it isn't impossible.

Alex Silvagni looks unlikely to play again this year, which is a real pity, but which should help him prepare for 2018.

Cuningham is a possible, after travelling last week. If not, then the NBs will be VERY happy to get him back.

Harry McKay is a reasonable chance of being available. The question, again, is which team to play him in. I would be inclined to play hm in the seniors, especially at Etihad.

Caleb Marchbank is a possible inclusion, but it is more likely that he spends an extra week recovering.

Kristian Jaksch must be close to a game or he wouldn't have gone West last week. However, I can't see him bumping McKay off for a senior spot.

Dennis went off injured last week, but has not been mentioned since. I assume he will be available.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: laj on August 17, 2017, 06:28:08 pm
Backs 31. Tom Williamson 14. Liam Jones 20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs 6. Kade Simpson 23. Jacob Weitering 15. Sam Docherty
Centreline 12. Blaine Boekhorst 3. Marc Murphy (C) 33. Jarrod Pickett
Half-forwards 46. Matthew Wright 30. Charlie Curnow 39. Dale Thomas
Forwards 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton 41. Levi Casboult 13. Jed Lamb
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 4. Bryce Gibbs 25. Zac Fisher
Interchange 38. Ciaran Byrne 11. Sam Kerridge 1. Jack Silvagni
16. Billie Smedts
Emergencies 27. Dennis Armfield 18. Kristian Jaksch 32. Nick Graham

In: Byrne
Out: Armfield
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 17, 2017, 06:32:38 pm
Hawks pull a surprise....
Quote
In

    Jaeger O'Meara, Paul Puopolo

Out

    Conor Glass (Omitted), Teia Miles (Omitted)

Goes completely against what Damo Barrett said earlier in the week.

Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 17, 2017, 06:38:41 pm
Hawks pull a surprise....
Goes completely against what Damo Barrett said earlier in the week.
0.01% huh? ;D
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: crashlander on August 17, 2017, 06:50:00 pm
Carlton

B: Tom Williamson, Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman.
HB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Sam Docherty.
C: Blaine Boekhorst, Marc Murphy, Jarrod Pickett.
HF: Matthew Wright, Charlie Curnow, Dale Thomas.
F: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Levi Casboult, Jed Lamb.
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Zac Fisher.
Int: Ciaran Byrne, Sam Kerridge, Jack Silvagni, Billie Smedts.

Emg: Dennis Armfield, Kristian Jaksch, Nick Graham

Hard to tell who was lucky and who was not when you don't see anything of the game.

Hawthorn

B: Shaun Burgoyne, Kaiden Brand, Blake Hardwick.
HB: Ryan Burton, James Sicily, Jack Gunston.
C: Isaac Smith, Tom Mitchell, Liam Shiels.
HF: Ryan Schoenmakers, Tim O'Brien, Ricky Henderson.
F: Luke Breust, Jarryd Roughead, Jaeger O'Meara.
R: Ben McEvoy, Will Langford, Luke Hodge.
Int: Daniel Howe, Taylor Duryea, Paul Puopolo, Billy Hartung.

Emg: Conor Glass, Teia Miles, Marc Pittonet

They look about as strong as they can look. We haven't beaten them for a LONG time, so I am hoping we can flog this bunch!
 
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on August 17, 2017, 06:51:33 pm
Hawks pull a surprise....
Goes completely against what Damo Barrett said earlier in the week.

Going for broke!
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 17, 2017, 06:53:57 pm
Hawks pull a surprise....
Goes completely against what Damo Barrett said earlier in the week.

Not really...said he would play... ;D ;)
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: blue4life on August 17, 2017, 08:30:15 pm
Byrne for Armfield was a no-brainer, Smedts is probably a bit lucky and will need a couple of good games.
Thanks for the memories Denis, you gave it your best shot mate.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on August 17, 2017, 08:48:32 pm
Byrne for Armfield was a no-brainer, Smedts is probably a bit lucky and will need a couple of good games.
Thanks for the memories Denis, you gave it your best shot mate.

X2
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Professer E on August 17, 2017, 09:16:22 pm
I'd have dropped Smedts and left Denis in for the last two rounds.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 18, 2017, 09:58:18 am
0.01% huh? ;D

I gave him an out.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Brettie on August 18, 2017, 04:42:11 pm
We're not making finals, the game is of little importance to the Club.......why drop Armfield & deny him a final home game in Melbourne?

Pretty ordinary call by the MC imo.......
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 18, 2017, 05:00:28 pm
We're not making finals, the game is of little importance to the Club.......why drop Armfield & deny him a final home game in Melbourne?

Pretty ordinary call by the MC imo.......

Fair question Brettie. Not dissimilar to the Fisher and Houlihan scenarios.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: madbluboy on August 18, 2017, 05:07:12 pm
We're not making finals, the game is of little importance to the Club.......why drop Armfield & deny him a final home game in Melbourne?

Pretty ordinary call by the MC imo.......

Have we ever had an official farewell game for a player?
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Baggers on August 18, 2017, 05:09:27 pm
We're not making finals, the game is of little importance to the Club.......why drop Armfield & deny him a final home game in Melbourne?

Pretty ordinary call by the MC imo.......

Oh contraire ze Brettie. The game is enormously important, in many respects... maybe not re finals, but certainly in every other way. We're building a culture which certainly seems to put team first. I do take your point but think that perhaps last week, in front of his home/family, was a really fitting way for Den Den to bow out.  :)
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on August 18, 2017, 05:39:16 pm
Oh contraire ze Brettie. The game is enormously important, in many respects... maybe not re finals, but certainly in every other way. We're building a culture which certainly seems to put team first. I do take your point but think that perhaps last week, in front of his home/family, was a really fitting way for Den Den to bow out.  :)

I think that's right.

Bolton has stated that the team is selected on form and to go back on that would send the wrong message.  There is room for sentimentality at AFL level, but only when it serves the club's interests.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: shadesy on August 18, 2017, 05:48:30 pm
I was at the game last week and they let Dennis lead the team off and they clapped him and he waved to those around him. I thought it was odd, but thought well maybe a final game at home. Turns out he probably knew that was it.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: blue4life on August 18, 2017, 06:36:19 pm
If we'd played him again this week then we aren't fair dinkum.
I'm tipping that Denis is fine with it.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: cookie2 on August 18, 2017, 06:50:05 pm
If we'd played him again this week then we aren't fair dinkum.
I'm tipping that Denis is fine with it.

X2
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 18, 2017, 07:33:11 pm
Have we ever had an official farewell game for a player?

I thought this was the new Carlton ? With Lactobacillus Acidophilus Bolton in charge (hereafter referred to as LAB), I thought all the bad culture was being replaced with good ?
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 18, 2017, 07:37:54 pm
I thought this was the new Carlton ? With Lactobacillus Acidophilus Bolton in charge (hereafter referred to as LAB), I thought all the bad culture was being replaced with good ?

What is the point of that post?
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 18, 2017, 07:41:30 pm
What is the point of that post?

As part of a new, better culture, it might be a good thing to give long standing, dedicated club stalwarts even a half-arsed farewell game.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 18, 2017, 07:52:30 pm
As part of a new, better culture, it might be a good thing to give long standing, dedicated club stalwarts even a half-arsed farewell game.

Even if that goes against the culture you are trying to build in which you reward players with effort and don't give games away.

Who is to say that Army's last couple of weeks were his farewell games?
Who is to say that Army wanted a farewell game?

Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 18, 2017, 08:03:02 pm
Even if that goes against the culture you are trying to build in which you reward players with effort and don't give games away.

Who is to say that Army's last couple of weeks were his farewell games?
Who is to say that Army wanted a farewell game?

If you read the match reports of the various VFL games, you will note that senior players have played well and being overlooked for younger players.

I don't know Army's private thoughts, but neither does anyone else. How do you know he's not p1ssed about missing out ?

When Fisher was left on 99 games, when Houlihan was sub in his 200th, they were examples of bad culture - it didn't cross anyone's mind that maybe they were in those positions precisely because the club didn't want to gift games.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 18, 2017, 08:08:55 pm
If you read the match reports of the various VFL games, you will note that senior players have played well and being overlooked for younger players.

I don't know Army's private thoughts, but neither does anyone else. How do you know he's not p1ssed about missing out ?

When Fisher was left on 99 games, when Houlihan was sub in his 200th, they were examples of bad culture - it didn't cross anyone's mind that maybe they were in those positions precisely because the club didn't want to gift games.

You have a bug up your butt about something. We get it.

1. Senior players playing well need to be playing to instructions....and need to be doing so for an extended amount of time. Without knowing the instructions, or the criteria put on them, you can't say they were overlooked.

2. You don't know, but you take a pot shot anyway.

3. Some people were upset about Fish and/or Houlihan, doesn't mean everyone was, nor does that have anything to do with whats happening now.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 18, 2017, 08:10:30 pm
We're not making finals, the game is of little importance to the Club.......why drop Armfield & deny him a final home game in Melbourne?

Pretty ordinary call by the MC imo.......

x3...Unless Armfield didnt want to play then, I would have left him in...would have thought.. Palmer deserved a game as well given he has been good in the NB's..and played Jaksch too.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 18, 2017, 08:17:09 pm
You have a bug up your butt about something. We get it.

1. Senior players playing well need to be playing to instructions....and need to be doing so for an extended amount of time. Without knowing the instructions, or the criteria put on them, you can't say they were overlooked.

2. You don't know, but you take a pot shot anyway.

3. Some people were upset about Fish and/or Houlihan, doesn't mean everyone was, nor does that have anything to do with whats happening now.

Leave my butt out of this, and any bugs therein.

No, I can't say the senior players were overlooked. What I can do is compare a statement made by the coach with match reports from other forum members.

The Fisher/Houihan/Army comparison is perfectly valid.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Thryleon on August 18, 2017, 10:12:49 pm
We have no idea why any decisions about why these guys got games or didn't get games were made.

Trying to find links between these guys getting games or not getting games is futile.

Each circumstance was/is different and the only thing they all have in common is that their respective afl careers were ending.

Armfield could play vfl this week but that doesn't mean he was in line for an afl game.  It also doesn't prove he wasn't in line either.

You would have to ask Dennis for sure but I can tell you just because someone can get up for a VFL game doesn't mean they feel good about playing in the seniors.

Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2017, 07:47:39 am
If folks had the facts and genuine knowledge about the footy club, there would be no need for them to be on here.

If we all knew the facts, this site would be 3 pages long. Speculating, second guessing, theorizing, surmising, is precisely why this site exists, and accounts for almost all its content.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: BluePhantom on August 19, 2017, 07:51:06 am
If folks had the facts and genuine knowledge about the footy club, there would be no need for them to be on here.

If we all knew the facts, this site would be 3 pages long. Speculating, second guessing, theorizing, surmising, is precisely why this site exists, and accounts for almost all its content.
Never let the truth get in the road of a good story!  ;)
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: LP on August 19, 2017, 07:55:35 am
Armfield himself has stated in the past he struggled week to week to get himself right for the games, things won't have gotten any better a year later.

It's one thing to get yourself across the line to start at VFL level, and a whole other thing to get yourself right just to be competitive at AFL level.

PS; Is Casey Byrne a potential trade option, could Casey also be calling it quits? Just thinking out loud!
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Professer E on August 19, 2017, 08:10:09 am
Given that Paddy is like a brother to him, I can't see why.  We have also extended his contract.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2017, 08:15:38 am
Armfield himself has stated in the past he struggled week to week to get himself right for the games, things won't have gotten any better a year later.

It's one thing to get yourself across the line to start at VFL level, and a whole other thing to get yourself right just to be competitive at AFL level.

.............

That's all fine.

Im my view, the club should have a farewell policy in place, that may take into consideration form, injury, years of service, farewell games etc. They should publish this on the website as a document that fans and members can refer to.

Additionally, what's wrong with a short 30 second video, also published on CFC, from the retiring player himself ? Nothing flash, just a thanks to the club and fans, and any other explanations etc. as may be required e.g, if they decline to participate in a farewell game. Not all fans can attend games, especially farewell games.

Army has played 144 games for us. He deserves better than punters second guessing whether a game a few weeks ago was his last in Melbourne, or giving him a farewell game in front of a hostile WCE crowd, even if his family is there. Can't the club fly a few of them to Melbourne ?

Those things are signs of a changing, improving culture. Those things are small signs of a club trying to evolve, and really set some sort of a standard.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 19, 2017, 08:33:33 am
That's all fine.

Im my view, the club should have a farewell policy in place, that may take into consideration form, injury, years of service, farewell games etc. They should publish this on the website as a document that fans and members can refer to.

Additionally, what's wrong with a short 30 second video, also published on CFC, from the retiring player himself ? Nothing flash, just a thanks to the club and fans, and any other explanations etc. as may be required e.g, if they decline to participate in a farewell game. Not all fans can attend games, especially farewell games.

Army has played 144 games for us. He deserves better than punters second guessing whether a game a few weeks ago was his last in Melbourne, or giving him a farewell game in front of a hostile WCE crowd, even if his family is there. Can't the club fly a few of them to Melbourne ?

Those things are signs of a changing, improving culture. Those things are small signs of a club trying to evolve, and really set some sort of a standard.
Perhaps Army wanted his farewell game in WA last week.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2017, 08:39:06 am
Perhaps Army wanted his farewell game in WA last week.

That's fine. Why not let the punters know, via some of the means I suggested above ?
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 19, 2017, 09:04:36 am
That's all fine.

Im my view, the club should have a farewell policy in place, that may take into consideration form, injury, years of service, farewell games etc. They should publish this on the website as a document that fans and members can refer to.

Additionally, what's wrong with a short 30 second video, also published on CFC, from the retiring player himself ? Nothing flash, just a thanks to the club and fans, and any other explanations etc. as may be required e.g, if they decline to participate in a farewell game. Not all fans can attend games, especially farewell games.

Army has played 144 games for us. He deserves better than punters second guessing whether a game a few weeks ago was his last in Melbourne, or giving him a farewell game in front of a hostile WCE crowd, even if his family is there. Can't the club fly a few of them to Melbourne ?

Those things are signs of a changing, improving culture. Those things are small signs of a club trying to evolve, and really set some sort of a standard.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-08-08/armfield-calls-time

He sent out an email to members thanking everyone.

I think there has been more from/about him than most of the boys get.

You want to throw him a parade as well?
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2017, 09:07:18 am
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-08-08/armfield-calls-time

He sent out an email to members thanking everyone.

I think there has been more from/about him than most of the boys get.

You want to throw him a parade as well?

No, just what I suggested above.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: DJC on August 19, 2017, 11:04:33 am
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-08-08/armfield-calls-time

He sent out an email to members thanking everyone.

I think there has been more from/about him than most of the boys get.

You want to throw him a parade as well?

Army's email is similar to those Walks and Jamo sent ... and I think the club facilitating that is all that needs to be done for retiring servants of the club.  Army's retirement announcement video was posted on the website and he was also mic'd up after (I think) his retirement announcement.

While it is important to acknowledge individual contributions, that shouldn't detract from our primary objectives.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2017, 12:16:27 pm
Army's email is similar to those Walks and Jamo sent ... and I think the club facilitating that is all that needs to be done for retiring servants of the club.  Army's retirement announcement video was posted on the website and he was also mic'd up after (I think) his retirement announcement.

While it is important to acknowledge individual contributions, that shouldn't detract from our primary objectives.

Yes, I stand corrected. His letter and the clip addressing the players is on the cfc website. I did a search for Armfield, and it's all there.

Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2017, 12:21:37 pm
And I should add, well done cfc.

Whilst I can appreciate the vagaries of injuries etc., I think the process could be improved by giving some advance notice of his final game, but that's a very good start.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 19, 2017, 06:41:15 pm
Yes, I stand corrected. His letter and the clip addressing the players is on the cfc website. I did a search for Armfield, and it's all there.

Thanks for that.


Or you could've followed the link i showed you which had the clip and an article displaying the letter.  :-\
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: BluePhantom on August 19, 2017, 07:05:19 pm
Just watching C7 and I thought Darcy was a big guy but compared to the Fev he is a back pocket player
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: LoveNavy on August 19, 2017, 07:14:07 pm
Hawks VC Liam Sheila out. Irishman Glass in.

Go new Blues. Let's have a red hot crack at smashing the 11yr hoodoo.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2017, 08:42:22 pm

Or you could've followed the link i showed you which had the clip and an article displaying the letter.  :-\

Yes, you're right. Sorry about that. A genuine oversight on my part.
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: Thryleon on August 19, 2017, 10:00:17 pm
I had this pencilled in as a win from a few weeks ago.

Make it so footy gods.

BANG!
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: kruddler on August 19, 2017, 10:08:42 pm
Yes, you're right. Sorry about that. A genuine oversight on my part.

No problem.

BTW, THAT is why you don't give players games, retiring or otherwise. ;)
Title: Re: Rd 22: Pre Game Peril: Carlton vs Hawthorn
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2017, 10:14:09 pm
No problem.

BTW, THAT is why you don't give players games, retiring or otherwise. ;)

I'm sure throughout the history of sport there are examples of teams getting up for a teammate, who has been given a game.

Anyway, let's just enjoy the win.