The Judge just announced at the B&F 6 Home games at the G, 5 at craphad as of next year.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-on-the-move-to-the-mcg-for-more-home-games-under-new-deal-20140917-10i706.html
The Judge just announced at the B&F 6 Home games at the G, 5 at craphad as of next year.
I don't live in Melb.
Are people happy with that?
Wait.. all that for just one extra game at the 'G'?
LOL
The Judge just announced at the B&F 6 Home games at the G, 5 at craphad as of next year.
I don't live in Melb.
Are people happy with that?
Considering our form at Etihad this year compared to the MCG....no :D
One extra game? Are they serious?
The Judge just announced at the B&F 6 Home games at the G, 5 at craphad as of next year.
I don't live in Melb.
Are people happy with that?
so you are a fremantle supporter ;D
Happy with that.
One more game. Wow, what a break through... ::)
It's a step in the right direction,and TBH we don't deserve much more than that right now.
Hopefully membership and attendance numbers will improve in the future and force the league to give us even more games at the G.
Wooohooo!! One more game that was worth all the resources!! :))
Not a great start for the Judge and Trigg, Swan from all reports was close to getting us 8 games at the G.
It's a step in the right direction,and TBH we don't deserve much more than that right now.
Hopefully membership and attendance numbers will improve in the future and force the league to give us even more games at the G.
thats correct
with about 45k members we are not in a strong position to dictate to anyone mcg included....
Not a great start for the Judge and Trigg, Swan from all reports was close to getting us 8 games at the G.
No he wasnt go back to the thread it was exactly the same deal.
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann confirmed this week that the Blues were talking to the AFL about future home-game arrangements, in which the club wants seven or eight games at the MCG, and the remainder at Etihad Stadium.
''The board has decided to play more games at the MCG,''’ Swann said. ''We’re in negotiations with the AFL.''
The Blues have long been on record that they would prefer to play more games at the MCG, though they have never pushed to play all of them at the larger stadium; while they would prefer an 8-3 MCG-Etihad split, seven games at the 'G and four at Etihad appears a better chance to win AFL backing. This would mean a shift of two home games from Docklands to the MCG.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-push-afl-for-new-mcg-deal-20140501-zr2ss.html#ixzz3DbucK4Yr
Not a great start for the Judge and Trigg, Swan from all reports was close to getting us 8 games at the G.
Even when swan was doing the negotiations, they were suggesting 6 games.
Not a great start for the Judge and Trigg, Swan from all reports was close to getting us 8 games at the G.
Even when swan was doing the negotiations, they were suggesting 6 games.
swan may have been suggesting but he didnt achieve it......
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann confirmed this week that the Blues were talking to the AFL about future home-game arrangements, in which the club wants seven or eight games at the MCG, and the remainder at Etihad Stadium.
''The board has decided to play more games at the MCG,''’ Swann said. ''We’re in negotiations with the AFL.''
The Blues have long been on record that they would prefer to play more games at the MCG, though they have never pushed to play all of them at the larger stadium; while they would prefer an 8-3 MCG-Etihad split, seven games at the 'G and four at Etihad appears a better chance to win AFL backing. This would mean a shift of two home games from Docklands to the MCG.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/blues-push-afl-for-new-mcg-deal-20140501-zr2ss.html#ixzz3DbucK4Yr
That says nothing about being close to anything. I'm sure Trigg and co would 'prefer' an 8/3 split as well.
Although not a major shift it's still a tiny step in the right direction. I know we seem to be playing better at Etihard this year, but much prefer G games. To tell you the truth as long as as there's less stinkin Monday night, Thursday night, Sunday night and twilight games I'll be happy.
Realistically, given our performance last season, our membership last season and the crowds we drew last season, any form of upgrade to the number of games we play at the MCG is a win for us.
Really, though, it's the nature of the deal we've struck this time with Etihad that will determine whether we did well here. There's no reason those games couldn't be profitable or beneficial, especially given that finals are played at both stadiums these days, provided we didn't get bent over the barrel and our pants pulled down around our ankles like we did with the deal that Collins brokered for his own benefit.
As it stands right now there are plenty of clubs bigger than us who deserve more MCG home games than us. Only we as a club can turn that around and we've got the next five years to do it now.
6 big crowd drawing games at the MCG.....5 lesser drawing sides at Princes Park - Perfect !
.......in an ideal world.
Im with Malo, we should start looking at lobbying to build a boutique initally 30 thousand odd seater at PP with plans to move to 40 and then 50 thousand odd moving forward, and ditch crapihad altogether.
The Cats are upgrading down at Kardinia Park, and are not even half way through a project built in stages, where they are systematically refurbing and improving.
We should follow that model and do the same.
Im with Malo, we should start looking at lobbying to build a boutique initally 30 thousand odd seater at PP with plans to move to 40 and then 50 thousand odd moving forward, and ditch crapihad altogether.
The Cats are upgrading down at Kardinia Park, and are not even half way through a project built in stages, where they are systematically refurbing and improving.
We should follow that model and do the same.
Yep.
When you add the guaranteed 'away' games against Essendon and Collingwood, and possibly Richmond, Melbourne, Hawthorn, we might be at the G for a minimum of 8 and more likely 10 or 11 matches next year.
That's not a bad result.
Although I did start getting more fond of Etihad this year - about the only place we could win a game!
Im with Malo, we should start looking at lobbying to build a boutique initally 30 thousand odd seater at PP with plans to move to 40 and then 50 thousand odd moving forward, and ditch crapihad altogether.
The Cats are upgrading down at Kardinia Park, and are not even half way through a project built in stages, where they are systematically refurbing and improving.
We should follow that model and do the same.
Yep.
Make it x 2
If Princes Park kept his larger ground size than Etihad , kept the Etihad seating and without the Etihad roof and sub floor car park would be brilliant...
It's a step in the right direction,and TBH we don't deserve much more than that right now.
Hopefully membership and attendance numbers will improve in the future and force the league to give us even more games at the G.
That is exactly what it is, a first step. Assuming we improve our membership base and winning profile, we can then increase the number of home games again. It may take time, but it is a first step. Now it is up to us to demonstrate we are deserving of more.
The next issue we have is that we are finally player good football at Etihad. If that remains the case, then we have taken a backwards step.
To be honest, I want us to win there, but I also want us to win at the MCG. Finals go not get played at Etihad very often.
Winning at the MCG also shows that we can win on other surfaces and in the wet, neither of which has been particularly prevalent in 2014. That is another 'must' for 2015.
Im with Malo, we should start looking at lobbying to build a boutique initally 30 thousand odd seater at PP with plans to move to 40 and then 50 thousand odd moving forward, and ditch crapihad altogether.
The Cats are upgrading down at Kardinia Park, and are not even half way through a project built in stages, where they are systematically refurbing and improving.
We should follow that model and do the same.
Yep.
Make it x 2
If Princes Park kept his larger ground size than Etihad , kept the Etihad seating and without the Etihad roof and sub floor car park would be brilliant...
Every time this coms up I grind my teeth with frustration: had John Elliott had a better relationship with the AFL we would still be laying at Princes Park and it would be a seriously upgraded place.
Over the past 50 years we had to scrape and save to get money to improve our ground. But always we had to make compromises, some of them huge. With AFL backing there would be a true stadium able to hold at least 50,000 people with a huge underground car park available for Melbourne Uni and others during the week and decent lights allowing true night football. We probably would have been able to upgrade the public transport to boot, as the AFL and the various governments generally get along quite well.
Instead, we are migratory with no home ground advantage, while the AFL pours money into rat holes like Kardinia Park.
Maybe there can be a move to refurbish Princes Park (where Optus and Visy would probably fight to have naming rights again), but it would cost so much more now in just about every way possible. Certainly we would lose control.
Elliott had some really good ideas, and his vision for our ground was one of them, but the animosity he engendered has made us suffer in so many ways.
This year we played Port, WCE, Saints, North, GWS, and Cats at Ethiad as home games.
Ethiad holds 40 odd thousand, with the exception of Geelong and the Saints maybe none of those games are going to draw much more than 40,000. Whilst the romance of more games at the MCG is good, playing the interstate and less well supported teams at Ethiad makes sense, if the deal is right.!
@crash ..u said it mate...
Crash, are we still paying off the Legends Stand ?
If that money had been invested a little more wisely, virtually the entire grounds seating could have been refurbished !!
Im with Malo, we should start looking at lobbying to build a boutique initally 30 thousand odd seater at PP with plans to move to 40 and then 50 thousand odd moving forward, and ditch crapihad altogether.
The Cats are upgrading down at Kardinia Park, and are not even half way through a project built in stages, where they are systematically refurbing and improving.
We should follow that model and do the same.
Yep.
Make it x 2
If Princes Park kept his larger ground size than Etihad , kept the Etihad seating and without the Etihad roof and sub floor car park would be brilliant...
Every time this coms up I grind my teeth with frustration: had John Elliott had a better relationship with the AFL we would still be laying at Princes Park and it would be a seriously upgraded place.
Over the past 50 years we had to scrape and save to get money to improve our ground. But always we had to make compromises, some of them huge. With AFL backing there would be a true stadium able to hold at least 50,000 people with a huge underground car park available for Melbourne Uni and others during the week and decent lights allowing true night football. We probably would have been able to upgrade the public transport to boot, as the AFL and the various governments generally get along quite well.
Instead, we are migratory with no home ground advantage, while the AFL pours money into rat holes like Kardinia Park.
Maybe there can be a move to refurbish Princes Park (where Optus and Visy would probably fight to have naming rights again), but it would cost so much more now in just about every way possible. Certainly we would lose control.
Elliott had some really good ideas, and his vision for our ground was one of them, but the animosity he engendered has made us suffer in so many ways.
Exactly Crash et al. We NEED a real home ground! THe top 4 finishers for the past few seasons have games at their own venue - Cats, Hawks and all the interstate teams. 1 extra game at the G? Big deal!
I'm neither here no there on this. Better than a kick in the ass with pointy shoes I guess. At the end of the day, attitude should be play anyone, anywhere, anytime on approximately 20,000m2 of grass. Posts at either end. Get ball and kick it through the big sticks more times than the other mob and you win. Its a simple game.
Crash, are we still paying off the Legends Stand ?
If that money had been invested a little more wisely, virtually the entire grounds seating could have been refurbished !!
Yes, the ground's stands, not just the Legend's Stand, are still being paid off. However, the debt is not that high any longer.
It was supposed to be paid off over 25 years originally, as a strong asset with depreciation and all of that stuff. After Princes Park was eliminated as an AFL venue, it was degraded to the point where it was worth more as scrap. The loan then had to be reorganized.
I'm not quite sure of the financial state at this moment, but I am certain that the majority of the debt has been paid.
Thankfully the various layers of government helped to pay for the redevelopment, so that side of things is not a major financial issue.
Crash, are we still paying off the Legends Stand ?
If that money had been invested a little more wisely, virtually the entire grounds seating could have been refurbished !!
Yes, the ground's stands, not just the Legend's Stand, are still being paid off. However, the debt is not that high any longer.
It was supposed to be paid off over 25 years originally, as a strong asset with depreciation and all of that stuff. After Princes Park was eliminated as an AFL venue, it was degraded to the point where it was worth more as scrap. The loan then had to be reorganized.
I'm not quite sure of the financial state at this moment, but I am certain that the majority of the debt has been paid.
Thankfully the various layers of government helped to pay for the redevelopment, so that side of things is not a major financial issue.
a bit contradictory here
club has around a 5.3 mill debt
the legends stand appears not stated in the last annual report