The last time Bryce Gibbs played some decent consistent football was that stellar season he had leading into signing that end of season mega-contract of his. Since that deal was struck, he has been lethargic & spasmodic in most games only giving us the occasional teaser of what he is really capable of. This has frustrated many a Blues fan as he is one of a small handful of players who we have expected more from every week.
Whilst I haven't had the pleasure of watching the last three games due to no coverage up here in Sydney, the one thing that everyone I speak to talks about is how well Bryce Gibbs is playing right now. We have always know that he is a very smart player who knows where to get where the ball is going to be plus he is extremely precise by foot whether it is kicking for goal or delivering to a team-mate.
The thing is, what has made him fire up all of a sudden ??
It is my strong belief (and I have nothing to back up this claim) that he has been told, in no uncertain terms, that unless he delivers to his optimal level every week, he will be dropped to the seconds until such time that he does start delivering. Further to that, if he ends up being in the seconds he will find himself in a new environment next year.
Gibbs is a player who prides himself on never playing seconds so that sort of threat would certainly be something he would want to avoid because he wouldn't like the embarrassment of being dropped. He has been quite comfortable at Carlton and if he was traded elsewhere, he would be under more intense scrutiny than ever before.
I'm sure Bolton would of spoken to all of the players individually and laid out what his expectations of them all was. With Gibbs, I reckon Bolton would not have minced his words and would of spelt out quite strongly that Gibbs had a higher level of demands being placed on him due to his seniority, contract status & overall ability.
Thankfully, he has responded and we are the beneficiaries. All he has to do now is 'maintain the rage' because those threats are there to stay.
Good coaching by Bolton, good response (for now) by Gibbs.
Probably just a good injury free pre-season and a game plan that suits his style of play.
Probably just a good injury free pre-season and a game plan that suits his style of play.
Yes, and the fact that BB inspires the right attitude and actions by playing guys to their strengths and in the roles that suit them. Gibbs , for example, seems to be much more in the thick of the action this year from what I can see.
I disagree he's been threatened with playing in the 2nds - he doesn't strike me as a player that would take kindly to threats.
I think he's probably found in Bolton someone who understands that he is one of our best players and is installing in those around him the confidence to get in and do their part - I reckon BG felt if he played his best each week it'd all be left to him and he felt overwhelmed by it or simply just didn't think it should all be on his shoulders - I reckon bolt is making those around him
More accountable
I disagree he's been threatened with playing in the 2nds - he doesn't strike me as a player that would take kindly to threats.
I think he's probably found in Bolton someone who understands that he is one of our best players and is installing in those around him the confidence to get in and do their part - I reckon BG felt if he played his best each week it'd all be left to him and he felt overwhelmed by it or simply just didn't think it should all be on his shoulders - I reckon bolt is making those around him
More accountable
It was very noticeable that Bolton ran straight to Simmo after the siren went last week, and he refers to him as the 'spiritual' leader of the club. From the outside looking in, it seems to me that Gibbs is playing more 'Simmo-like' - getting down and dirty when he needs to, scrapping for everything he can - and when that it added to his natural ability, he is at the next level. It's also noticeable that he is getting into push and shoves with the opposition, protecting the younger guys.
I reckon Bolton has challenged the leaders (Murphy, Simmo, Gibbs) to be just that - leaders. Not only in voice, but in actions. As Bolton himself said, he has been impressed how the leaders have become an extension of the coaching panel.
There is another part of the culture developing which is just as pleasing - watch the replays carefully. After a player has a bit of a stuff up like a bad kick or a missed mark, at least one other player comes over and gives him a pat on the backside as if to say 'don't dwell on it, we'll get it next time'. Successful teams are very good at celebrating their victory moments, but they are also good at collectively owning their problems and dealing with it in a positive light. The attitude of "We're in this together" is fundamental to teams of any sort.
I disagree he's been threatened with playing in the 2nds - he doesn't strike me as a player that would take kindly to threats.
I think he's probably found in Bolton someone who understands that he is one of our best players and is installing in those around him the confidence to get in and do their part - I reckon BG felt if he played his best each week it'd all be left to him and he felt overwhelmed by it or simply just didn't think it should all be on his shoulders - I reckon bolt is making those around him
More accountable
Agree Mickey and I don't think Bolts is into dishing out threats either.
Agree Mickey and I don't think Bolts is into dishing out threats either.
Is making threats a bit old-school, a tactic that really doesn't work anymore?
Should we ask Mick Malthouse! ;)
Can you divide and conquer if you want to establish unity?
Bolton talks about unity, I presume threats just divide people.
All the guys(AFL) are physically fit, so maybe mental health is more important, does a threat promote good mental health?
So what drives a repeat effort at AFL level, physical fitness or a desire?
I doubt the difference between 1st place and last is physical fitness.
Agree Mickey and I don't think Bolts is into dishing out threats either.
Yep.
Dinosaurs threaten.
Eade the failure is showing that again.
I think that Gibbs is simply one of those players that plays better when the team is travelling well and that much of his work goes unnoticed when the team isnt travelling so well.
We have always held Gibbs to a higher level than say a Dennis Armfield.
Number 1 pick, obvious talent and leadership thrust upon him means that his sub standard games are always still better than 90% of our list.
I think he has been set a defined role, in a structure where it is team orientated not relying on individual brilliance and been left to "go and play" football. He is in the leadership group but i feel he is better suited as an On Field type leader rather than a Captain/Vice Captain role.
He is all of a sudden been thrust into the limelight and talked about AA selection. It will be good to see how Bolton keeps the equilibrium with Bryce and whether Bryce can respond to a probably getting Ben Jacbos hanging off him this week.
I would move play him forward as i think he will beat Jacobs Aerially and potentially kick 5-6.
Sheik.Have you tried watching the smart replay from the AFL site. Its available 12 hrs after the game and its free.
Probably just a good injury free pre-season and a game plan that suits his style of play.
Add in the fact that he was injured and suspended last year and it explains the fact that 2015 was a poor year by Bryce Gibbs.
Bolton has been consistent in his praise of Gibbs since the pre-season and he made the point that the rest of the team will no longer be allowed to depend on Gibbs, Murphy and Kreuzer. Perhaps it's the better effort that Bolton has extracted from the second and third tier players that has allowed Gibbs to get back to his best and then some.
Culture.
Confidence and a healthy, happy work environment.
Sheik.Have you tried watching the smart replay from the AFL site. Its available 12 hrs after the game and its free.
Cant wait for his next SB&C installment without seeing a game :-)
I think injuries, suspensions and getting massacred every week impacted on his performance last year. In 2014 and now in 2016 he is our best player and an elite midfielder.
He is the 19th ranked player in the comp for supercoach
19. Gibbs 109.6 avg per game
21. Cripps 106.4
21. Simpson 106.4
25. Docherty 105.9
49. Curnow 101.1
99. Wright 90.1
117. Murphy 86.6
117. Thomas 86.6
Cant wait for his next SB&C installment without seeing a game :-)
Won't be one for a while actually, we know where most of them sit now, it's just a case of someone not in the mix putting their hand up between now and the rest of the season.
Cant wait for his next SB&C installment without seeing a game :-)
;D ;D
I think that Gibbs is simply one of those players that plays better when the team is travelling well and that much of his work goes unnoticed when the team isnt travelling so well.
Or is it that with so many players now playing to a more team-orientated structure that he couldn't rest on his laurels any more ??
Clearly the overall playing list has a purpose and steely resolve, as an elder statesmen, he would be looked to for onfield leadership and a cool head in a crisis.
I dunno, but Bolton or 1 of the coaches has found the right button to press, and it's working !!
And I'm very happy to be enjoying the results !!
I dunno, but Bolton or 1 of the coaches has found the right button to press, and it's working !!
And I'm very happy to be enjoying the results !!
For sure, we don't know exactly how it has played out internally but the results speak for themselves.
Or is it that with so many players now playing to a more team-orientated structure that he couldn't rest on his laurels any more ??
Clearly the overall playing list has a purpose and steely resolve, as an elder statesmen, he would be looked to for onfield leadership and a cool head in a crisis.
It's more that the rest of the team can't rest on the laurels of Gibbs, Murphy, Cripps, Simpson, Docherty and Kreuzer. There are no passengers, the gameplan suits Gibbs and he's doing what comes naturally.
Whilst I haven't had the pleasure of watching the last three games due to no coverage up here in Sydney
Ok, we've found the reason for the turnaround. You are now banned from forever watching anymore Carlton games...lol.
Cant wait for his next SB&C installment without seeing a game :-)
I don't watch footy but this guy is crap and here's why!!!
I don't watch footy but this guy is crap and here's why!!!
This is a revelation to you? :P
I don't watch footy but this guy is crap and here's why!!!
You don't need to watch every game to have an opinion, admittedly it helps but it is not compulsory. Right now, you have The Age, The Hun, Footy Classified, Talking Footy plus every footy site around the country discussing Gibbs' recent resurgence and wondering what the catalyst has been.
Very much maligned. If you're not top 10 player at the club you will be dropped - just ridiculous.
has had three below average years.. all the others have been extremely good. Do we forget the games where he defeated Goddard, Goodes etc when playing in the backline as 23 year old?
He was riddled with injury and form in 2012 + 2013 then played the whole of 2014 in the middle and was a star (best and fairest) 2015 was injury hit but this year so far he is in career best form as you would expect someone in their peak and will continue for another three years.
In 8 weeks, he has developed an 'in your face, elbow in the guts as I go past, be the first in when one of ours is under siege' attitude. A developing Hogde / Lewis attitude.
No coincidence that we are more aggressive across the board. Towards the ball, the opponent, the game in general.
Culture.
In 8 weeks, he has developed an 'in your face, elbow in the guts as I go past, be the first in when one of ours is under siege' attitude. A developing Hogde / Lewis attitude.
No coincidence that we are more aggressive across the board. Towards the ball, the opponent, the game in general.
Culture.
;D
That's a fascinating picture - the 'Hodgification of Bryce' ! :)) He'll be wearing # 15 next.
In 8 weeks, he has developed an 'in your face, elbow in the guts as I go past, be the first in when one of ours is under siege' attitude. A developing Hogde / Lewis attitude.
No coincidence that we are more aggressive across the board. Towards the ball, the opponent, the game in general.
Culture.
Winning, more importantly. Winners are grinners (and inevitably with a bit of swagger, a touch of arrogance).
Happens to us all.
In 8 weeks, he has developed an 'in your face, elbow in the guts as I go past, be the first in when one of ours is under siege' attitude. A developing Hogde / Lewis attitude.
No coincidence that we are more aggressive across the board. Towards the ball, the opponent, the game in general.
Culture.
This, Gibba has been Hodgiefied
This, Gibba has been Hodgiefied
Lets see if he can do it for more than three weeks in a row.
Geez we get carried away on here with a handful of good games.
Hodge is a 4 x premiership player, 2 x Norm Smith medallist and 3 x AA.
I congratulate Gibbs on his recent effort, but it seriously highlights his lack of leadership.
Great leaders perform when the chips are down, not when everything in their little world is perfect.
That is exactly what makes Luke Hodge an all time great.
Lets see if he can do it for more than three weeks in a row.
Geez we get carried away on here with a handful of good games.
Hodge is a 4 x premiership player, 2 x Norm Smith medallist and 3 x AA.
I congratulate Gibbs on his recent effort, but it seriously highlights his lack of leadership.
Great leaders perform when the chips are down, not when everything in their little world is perfect.
That is exactly what makes Luke Hodge an all time great.
What you say is very true, however, I like the BB mantra that what occurred before his arrival is of little interest to him. Clean slate. Everyone started anew from his arrival. Gibbs is playing very good footy and leading well also. His challenge is to maintain and improve upon this.
Andy Lee asked Gibbs about the mongrel in his game today. As I'm sure we all know, Gibbs is a laid back character and I was keen to hear what he had to say.
Gibbs said that it is contrived mongrel. He thought that by dishing a bit out he could stay involved in the game. I reckon it's working and I hope he keeps it up.
It is interesting that a player like Gibbs can figure out a way to take their game to another level, particularly when it involves behaviour that doesn't come naturally.
I like the new Gibbs and dont care who or what has inspired it...just want to see more of it, its in your face with some smarts and the man has been winning contested footy
and showed leadership today IMO and he was easily BOG....
He and Docherty could be AA if they keep up their present form... 8)
Who knows but lets just hope it keeps going. My personl opinion though is you can never discount some in-house competition and I think Murph and Gibbs just naturally thought they were going to be the peas in the pod once Judd retired but Cripps and now even Weitering have lit a fire up their ar5e5.
Who knows but lets just hope it keeps going. My personl opinion though is you can never discount some in-house competition and I think Murph and Gibbs just naturally thought they were going to be the peas in the pod once Judd retired but Cripps and now even Weitering have lit a fire up their ar5e5.
I suppose you can look at it either way, it could be the likes of Cripps and Weitering showing signs of stepping up has freed Gibbs and Murphy up to play to their potential.
Don't discount the influence of Docherty and Simmo either, they are leading by example on a weekly basis.
Another thing, Kreuzer, Wright and Kerridge, they crack in regardless of the state of the game. It sets a standard others must follow.
Might be finally playing his correct role in a side with vastly improved structure... also seems to be going harder at it for longer. So some improvement is a result of structure, the rest appears to be a stronger mind set. Kudos to coaching and player.
What a difference two players can make in a week. Two much maligned players in fact. Anyone who thinks Kruze and Cas (partcularly Kruze) arent important to our structure should watch today's game again. I watched them closely today live, they worked their asses off up and down the ground. One chase Kruze did on a Geelong player was inspirational, he never gave up, put enough perceived pressure on the kick to have Doc smother it. Kruze quickly got on his bike and ran hard the other way. It was good to watch, the Blues supporters around me just clapped and cheered what was seemingly a missed chase but we knew it wasnt, it was just effort and desire in its purest form. Cas just straightened us the fork up and with Kruze, allowed Rowey to go and do what he does best, fight with power fwds.
What a difference two players can make in a week. Two much maligned players in fact. Anyone who thinks Kruze and Cas (partcularly Kruze) arent important to our structure should watch today's game again. I watched them closely today live, they worked their asses off up and down the ground. One chase Kruze did on a Geelong player was inspirational, he never gave up, put enough perceived pressure on the kick to have Doc smother it. Kruze quickly got on his bike and ran hard the other way. It was good to watch, the Blues supporters around me just clapped and cheered what was seemingly a missed chase but we knew it wasnt, it was just effort and desire in its purest form. Cas just straightened us the fork up and with Kruze, allowed Rowey to go and do what he does best, fight with power fwds.
I need a 'like' button for this post! Good stuff !!
What a difference two players can make in a week. Two much maligned players in fact. Anyone who thinks Kruze and Cas (partcularly Kruze) arent important to our structure should watch today's game again. I watched them closely today live, they worked their asses off up and down the ground. One chase Kruze did on a Geelong player was inspirational, he never gave up, put enough perceived pressure on the kick to have Doc smother it. Kruze quickly got on his bike and ran hard the other way. It was good to watch, the Blues supporters around me just clapped and cheered what was seemingly a missed chase but we knew it wasnt, it was just effort and desire in its purest form. Cas just straightened us the fork up and with Kruze, allowed Rowey to go and do what he does best, fight with power fwds.
Thought his chase and Docs smother was play of the day.
Andy Lee asked Gibbs about the mongrel in his game today. As I'm sure we all know, Gibbs is a laid back character and I was keen to hear what he had to say.
Gibbs said that it is contrived mongrel. He thought that by dishing a bit out he could stay involved in the game. I reckon it's working and I hope he keeps it up.
It is interesting that a player like Gibbs can figure out a way to take their game to another level, particularly when it involves behaviour that doesn't come naturally.
Last time he tried to be tough he got weeks on the sideline for that sling tackle.
Last time he tried to be tough he got weeks on the sideline for that sling tackle.
Now he's Hodge-tuff! ;)
Last time he tried to be tough he got weeks on the sideline for that sling tackle.
I'm one of the few who thought his little holiday was deserved. He seems to have put some more thought into how he goes about it. Good for him.
I'm one of the few who thought his little holiday was deserved. He seems to have put some more thought into how he goes about it. Good for him.
I thought the penalty was stiff but it was a crude tackle. I'm not sure what motivated the tackle but the aggression he is playing with this year is contrived and measured. While Gibbs said that he decided to be more aggressive in order to be more involved in the game, I suspect that the coaching panel has both encouraged him and tutored him in how far to go.
I'm one of the few who thought his little holiday was deserved. He seems to have put some more thought into how he goes about it. Good for him.
Deserved? Harsh.
Even the umps/mrp changed their mind a week or 2 later when they let someone else off a similar tackle.
Deserved? Harsh.
Even the umps/mrp changed their mind a week or 2 later when they let someone else off a similar tackle.
The umps have a proven track record of inconsistency. If the head is sacrosanct, then it was a fair penalty. If other similar tackles later on in the year got off, then the system is flawed, not the original verdict.
The umps have a proven track record of inconsistency. If the head is sacrosanct, then it was a fair penalty. If other similar tackles later on in the year got off, then the system is flawed, not the original verdict.
The ones who make the system disagree with you
It was a sling tackle and he should have had a holiday... but seriously, how did Schultz get off ????
Again, depends on what colour jumper you're wearing.
It was a sling tackle and he should have had a holiday... but seriously, how did Schultz get off ????
Again, depends on what colour jumper you're wearing.
Good question Prof!
If Gibbs copping 2 weeks for his tackle sent a message about rough play, but it was withdrawn by the Schultz decision.
All we want is consistency in umpiring and MRP/Tribunal decisions.
Another accolade for Gibbs.
Bryce Gibbs’ sparkling performance against Geelong on Sunday hasn’t gone unnoticed, with the midfielder receiving a perfect 10 in the AFL coaches’ votes.
The 27-year-old took control in the centre when his captain was sidelined with an ankle injury after quarter time, collecting more than 30 vital disposals in the Blues 19-point victory over the Cats.
‘Gibba’ had 34 touches, 13 of which were contested, eight tackles and nine clearances, not to mention kicking two goals at critical stages of the game.
In the last four weeks Gibbs has averaged just over 30 possessions and booted 6 goals, becoming one of the Blues most damaging midfielders.
There’s no doubt the former No. 1 pick is relishing his time under Brendon Bolton; in Round 8 against Port Adelaide Gibbs also received 10 votes, and in Round 6’s clash with Essendon he was best on ground with nine votes.
In the overall ranking for the award Gibbs now sits in fourth position on 40 votes, behind leader Dan Hannebery (Syd) on 49 votes, Todd Goldstein (North) 47 votes and Patrick Dangerfield (Gee) 44 votes.
a game plan that suits his style of play.
More likely a game plan that doesn't tolerate a wishy-washy defensive effort - no more passengers or downhill skiers here.
More likely a game plan that doesn't tolerate a wishy-washy defensive effort - no more passengers or downhill skiers here.
Bingo! Well said... Ye Rat o' the River!!!
More likely a game plan that doesn't tolerate a wishy-washy defensive effort - no more passengers or downhill skiers here.
Partly right; a gameplan that suits the playing group, "buy-in", united club, and clarity of role:
Gibbs also praised the “whole of club” approach the new coaching panel had implemented, suggesting that there was a collective “buy-in” from everyone across the organisation at Carlton.
“It’s been well documented that we’ve gone through a massive change at the Club over the last 6-8 months and we’re doing things a lot differently to what we have done in the past,” he said.
“There’s that collective buy-in from not only the players and the coaches, but the whole of club and it’s hopefully starting to pay off because the belief is there…. and we’re really enjoying our footy.
“Even over the first few games of this season, we were playing some good footy against some good sides but still lost. The signs were there, and then to win four games in a row – I think the group thought that we’re actually not far away here.”
Speaking with SEN on Monday evening, Gibbs said his clear role within the side had contributed to his recent on-field form.
“I’m just going about my business. I have a pretty clear role within the team and I know if I am doing those things, it will hold me in good stead,” he said.
“I am really enjoying my footy at the moment and really enjoying my place and role within the team.”
Partly right; a gameplan that suits the playing group, "buy-in", united club, and clarity of role:
Yeah Gibbs has been right all along!
It must be someone else's fault.....
After all he's only been in the system 8 years
Yeah Gibbs has been right all along!
It must be someone else's fault.....
After all he's only been in the system 8 years
This is actually his 10th year in the system and he's finished in the top 10 in our B&F every year except 2015, when he only played 10 games. The Match Committees over those 9 seasons must have reckoned he was doing what he was asked
This is actually his 10th year in the system and he's finished in the top 10 in our B&F every year except 2015, when he only played 10 games. The Match Committees over those 9 seasons must have reckoned he was doing what he was asked
or that 30-odd other blokes were doing less of what was being asked than he was.
Votes gotta go to someone.
There should be some kind of votes/talent ratio normalisation. Players like Army, White, Curnow would be very high on the list and up until recently, Gibbs, Murphy and Everitt would be well down.
or that 30-odd other blokes were doing less of what was being asked than he was.
Votes gotta go to someone.
There should be some kind of votes/talent ratio normalisation. Players like Army, White, Curnow would be very high on the list and up until recently, Gibbs, Murphy and Everitt would be well down.
As far as I can tell, our voting system is meant to reflect how well players carry out their roles. However, it could also be a means of retrospectively justifying Match Committee (or list management) decisions. However, there's usually pretty good correlation between the John Nicholls voting and the Jim Park voting - not that I intend to go back over the last 9 seasons :)
As far as I can tell, our voting system is meant to reflect how well players carry out their roles. However, it could also be a means of retrospectively justifying Match Committee (or list management) decisions. However, there's usually pretty good correlation between the John Nicholls voting and the Jim Park voting - not that I intend to go back over the last 9 seasons :)
Its also biased towards those who are actually playing, that is those who don't play cannot get a vote.
Its also biased towards those who are actually playing, that is those who don't play cannot get a vote.
That's why Gibbs didn't finish in the top 10 in 2015 ;)
Its also biased towards those who are actually playing, that is those who don't play cannot get a vote.
A necessary evil, I'm afraid. if you don't play, it is hard to impress the voting public.
Last year Gibbs and MANY others struggled in this area. Gibbs got rubbed out for multiple weeks for things the have since been severely under-punished. He then missed over half the season with injury. Very hard to impress in the medical rooms. Nor was he alone. By the end of the year we could barely field a team, and a number of guys couldn't play at all (Sheehan, for example, and Byrne, but for one short appearance).
It was one of the reasons we struggled. I don't think we had a full list for a single game.
To be honest, I hope our voting system is not there to justify the Match Committee's decisions, because they don't always get the right. Last year the MC did not have a good run. This year they appear to have had a better run. They made decisions that mystified me, but that worked out well. I hope the trend continues, but I will always criticize decisions that I think are dubious at best.
I think since Gibbs has been at the club there have been about 4 changes to how we actually vote on the B+F.
Why the changes keep occuring and who is driving them i have no idea.
I think since Gibbs has been at the club there have been about 4 changes to how we actually vote on the B+F.
Why the changes keep occuring and who is driving them i have no idea.
Really? I've been running the Jim Park for a couple of years now and I haven't made any changes that I can recall?
Or are you referring here to the John Nicholls? THAT has undergone changes that I can recall, including a name change.
Really? I've been running the Jim Park for a couple of years now and I haven't made any changes that I can recall?
Or are you referring here to the John Nicholls? THAT has undergone changes that I can recall, including a name change.
John Nicholls medal. ;)
I can't keep track of them all, but i think it changed 3 times in 3 (or 4) years.
I wouldn't argue with that. I'm not sure how much input the coach or the MC have in the design of the B&F, but it would make comparisons somewhat easier of they stuck with the same format for a while. It will be interesting to see if it changes again under Bolton. I hope not.
This is actually his 10th year in the system and he's finished in the top 10 in our B&F every year except 2015, when he only played 10 games. The Match Committees over those 9 seasons must have reckoned he was doing what he was asked
So you are happy with top 10 in Carlton's B&F?
What about an AA representation just once???
He is a former no.1 draft pick earning very good money.
But everyone says he is playing so well because he enjoys the environment.
My take is, he should pull his finger out regardless.
You don't pay a CEO top dollar then let him complain about the culture of the company.
Players of this calibre and pay should have the capability to change the place and get others to follow.
FFS you can't seriously believe he has performed at an acceptable level over his career.
Why is it ok for him to all of a sudden
This is actually his 10th year in the system and he's finished in the top 10 in our B&F every year except 2015, when he only played 10 games. The Match Committees over those 9 seasons must have reckoned he was doing what he was asked
DJ..you dont reckon the degree of difficulty in making our top ten every year is reduced as he has played in such a poor team that has been light on for talent?.....Gibbs in cruise mode is still going to be better than a lot of the banana's we have had running around...IMO.
re: His money...JH commented on his money.....from memory he isnt on anything overboard, might have been 500k and a bit [per year but nothing outrageous...not sure if
thats is a reflection on Gibbs worth as viewed by the club at the time or the man himself happy with the club and prepared to take a bit less to help the club.
I'm really enjoying the new Bryce Gibbs regardless of the above and hope he can keep performing....
DJ..you dont reckon the degree of difficulty in making our top ten every year is reduced as he has played in such a poor team that has been light on for talent?.....Gibbs in cruise mode is still going to be better than a lot of the banana's we have had running around...IMO.
re: His money...JH commented on his money.....from memory he isnt on anything overboard, might have been 500k and a bit [per year but nothing outrageous...not sure if
thats is a reflection on Gibbs worth as viewed by the club at the time or the man himself happy with the club and prepared to take a bit less to help the club.
I'm really enjoying the new Bryce Gibbs regardless of the above and hope he can keep performing....
Good point about the degree of difficulty, even if he made the top 5 in 6 of his 9 completed seasons (Murphy has six top 5 finishes too). We did make finals in four of those seasons so, at worst, it was in an average team.
You're right about his pay packet, we have been getting very good value for money from Gibbs (and most of our better players for that matter) and will continue to do so.
I reckon the criticism of Gibbs would virtually disappear if he lost his man bun and acquired a sleeve.
DJ..you dont reckon the degree of difficulty in making our top ten every year is reduced as he has played in such a poor team that has been light on for talent?.....Gibbs in cruise mode is still going to be better than a lot of the banana's we have had running around...IMO.
re: His money...JH commented on his money.....from memory he isnt on anything overboard, might have been 500k and a bit [per year but nothing outrageous...not sure if
thats is a reflection on Gibbs worth as viewed by the club at the time or the man himself happy with the club and prepared to take a bit less to help the club.
I'm really enjoying the new Bryce Gibbs regardless of the above and hope he can keep performing....
Pretty much agree. Additionally, there aren't many good players in struggling teams who get the votes in external things like Brownlow votes, AFLCA, AA nominations etc. They do exist, but they're pretty thin on the ground. Only the blokes in well performing teams seem to get noticed. IMO.
Good point about the degree of difficulty, even if he made the top 5 in 6 of his 9 completed seasons (Murphy has six top 5 finishes too). We did make finals in four of those seasons so, at worst, it was in an average team.
You're right about his pay packet, we have been getting very good value for money from Gibbs (and most of our better players for that matter) and will continue to do so.
I reckon the criticism of Gibbs would virtually disappear if he lost his man bun and acquired a sleeve.
That is suggesting he has played really well until he sported the man bun.
That is crazy.
He has simply never worked as hard as what he has recently.
If he had have, he would be on $750k per year.
When he perform regularly, chases and tackles, he will earn a reputation as a champion.
Don't get me wrong, he is much improved lately and I hope he continues to do the same, but he must be rated on his total output over 8-10 years, not a month.
That is suggesting he has played really well until he sported the man bun.
That is crazy.
He has simply never worked as hard as what he has recently.
If he had have, he would be on $750k per year.
When he perform regularly, chases and tackles, he will earn a reputation as a champion.
Don't get me wrong, he is much improved lately and I hope he continues to do the same, but he must be rated on his total output over 8-10 years, not a month.
Gibbs is probably the most controversial and divisive player on our list, and will be even after his playing days are done.
i'd trade him in a heart beat - for a good trade.....but like others i simply don't see CFC letting him go.
Undoubtedly a very good player - when he wants to be......Bolts may have him firing now but will Gibbs keep it up medium to long term.
Certainly the type of player that could play well into his 30s.
i'd trade him in a heart beat - for a good trade.....but like others i simply don't see CFC letting him go.
Undoubtedly a very good player - when he wants to be......Bolts may have him firing now but will Gibbs keep it up medium to long term.
Certainly the type of player that could play well into his 30s.
He certainly could, particularly as he has managed to avoid debilitating injuries. If he does play well into his 30s, he'll still be dividing supporters' opinions. He's a bit like Buckley and Collingwood supporters in that regard.
he is our best ranked player in the AFL rankings.
He is our undisputed best player at the club.
Currently the third best mid in the AFL after 10 rounds.
49 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
47 Todd Goldstein (NM)
44 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
40 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
39 Joel Selwood (Geel)
38 Luke Shuey (WC)
38 Rory Sloane (Adel)
37 Jack Viney (Melb)
36 Tom Lynch (GC)
36 Dustin Martin (Rich)
36 Jack Ziebell (NM)
Means his trade value should be even higher!
Our best player for the year has been Docherty despite whatever these stats show.
Mr consistency should be Docherty's nickname.
Our best player for the year has been Docherty despite whatever these stats show.
Mr consistency should be Docherty's nickname.
Better judges think otherwise ;) But it would have to be a close call. The fact that we have two players in outstanding form, and several others in or close to career best form, is a pretty powerful indicator that our club is in good hands :)
Clearly some people are feeling the need to re-assess their views on Bryce Gibbs. However to really understand people should start from the premise they were wrong in their initial assessment rather than the premise they were right and Gibbs has changed. My view is that Gibbs has always been good. He has had some bad games like most players but overall I have always felt that by the end of his career he would be considered one of the great Carlton players and I have been watching Carlton for over fifty years now.
I think he has shown great loyalty to Carlton. A lot more loyalty than some people who post on this site have shown to him. It always bewilders me why so many so-called Carlton fans have been so ready to canvas his transfer to another club.
It has always struck me in the way he plays that he is trying to implement the Coach's instruction and the fact that he is so disciplined in his approach to the game that he has curbed his natural instinct to chase the ball and followed team instructions. We have played him at centre half back, tagging people like Adam Goodes and playing a loose man in defence, yet he won his B&F playing as a mid-fielder and he will go close to a second one this year doing the same. Maybe the problem has been that we have played him out of position all these years and maybe this year we finally have a group of players who can play as a team and follow team instruction and therefore Gibbs doesn't have to be pulled out of the mid-field to plug the gaps.
It might be a bit like Walker who looks like a natural full forward but has only played there for one full season throughout his career.
Interesting post BM. He's been through 5 coaches (Pagan, Ratts, MM, Barker and now Bolton), and off the top of my head 3 of those have given Gibbs very good public wraps. Pagan predicted he would be the best of the 3 No1's, MM declared him untouchable, and Bolts has also talked him up, in his typical, keeping-a-lid-on-it manner.
You may indeed have a point, although I've gone to town on him at times, so I shouldn't talk.
Interesting post BM. He's been through 5 coaches (Pagan, Ratts, MM, Barker and now Bolton), and off the top of my head 3 of those have given Gibbs very good public wraps. Pagan predicted he would be the best of the 3 No1's, MM declared him untouchable, and Bolts has also talked him up, in his typical, keeping-a-lid-on-it manner.
You may indeed have a point, although I've gone to town on him at times, so I shouldn't talk.
Rattan was another fan:
Ratten said Gibbs, the 2006 No.1 draft pick and third in the best-and-fairest in 2009 and last season, was ready to take the next step.
"He's a player with great skill and he's had a very good pre-season," he said.
"His ability to play multiple positions might go under the radar of people out there.
"But his versatility from a team point of view is something that's probably not respected as much as it is internally here, because we see what value he has and I think his best-and-fairest results have shown how much we value his role at the club and what he does for the team.
However, Ratten, like Pagan and, to a lesser extent, Malthouse, continued to use Gibbs off halfback where he successfully negated opponents but his elite ability to make good decisions and use the ball well was wasted.
Rattan was another fan:
However, Ratten, like Pagan and, to a lesser extent, Malthouse, continued to use Gibbs off halfback where he successfully negated opponents but his elite ability to make good decisions and use the ball well was wasted.
Thanks DJC - as if I needed another reason to like Ratts...........
Maybe he was used off HB out of necessity ? Maybe not ?
It has always struck me in the way he plays that he is trying to implement the Coach's instruction and the fact that he is so disciplined in his approach to the game that he has curbed his natural instinct to chase the ball and followed team instructions. We have played him at centre half back, tagging people like Adam Goodes and playing a loose man in defence, yet he won his B&F playing as a mid-fielder and he will go close to a second one this year doing the same.
This, i reckon this is spot on. I remember once hearing that he was so dominant in his junior days, that his coaches had to strictly tell him to share the ball around with his team mates. He was good enough to dominate on his own, but he was forced to change the way he played. Now that he is playing at the top level, he needs to be allowed to dominate again, not selfishly, but when he can or when necessary.
Better judges think otherwise ;) But it would have to be a close call. The fact that we have two players in outstanding form, and several others in or close to career best form, is a pretty powerful indicator that our club is in good hands :)
And how bad, even off the rails, we were for so long before that.....
And how bad, even off the rails, we were for so long before that.....
About 15 years.