All ready for the big one. Have fun. Car'n the Blues!
Looking forward to this, Saints under manned , a opportunity for some key players put in a commanding game , an opportunity to take a game by the throat. Hoping its Levi
Sounds like a scrappy game on the wireless. Just chipping the ball around, then turnovers, from both teams.
Walks has the opening goal, against the run of play.
Saints pretty dominant at the moment.
Playing like a team lacking leadership atm , no real direction. Lots of kicking back ward. Ugly to watch. Plenty of the ball but no structure at all.
Good to see Rowe sticking up for Simo
Good to see Rowe sticking up for Simo
Yes - hit on Simmo gives away a 50. Is Bruce on report ?
Not mentioned by any commentators , looks like the light has come on great goal Levi
Two centre breaks from the saints 2 goals , Goringe well beaten both times
3 junk time goals - just like old times.
Hopefully we get out of 2nd gear this quarter.
Really scrappy display until the last 5 mins.
Hope we come out with our game head on this quarter.
St Kilda too quick for us so far, hopefully we'll match them up better when the pace goes off the game.
Really missing Murphy this week.
Quick inside 50 blues. Casboult mark and goals.
Better start
last week, I had a go at the team because instead of burying Brisbane, they played like Millionaires. I said that playing like that can infect a team and is a bad habit to get into. i also criticised Gibbs for a lack lustre performance which continues today.
We should be down by 5 goals. Too much handball, to many short kicks, no real system going forward, it's kick it in and hope for the best, and a ruckman in Gorringe who is serviceable at best and hopeless at the centre bounces at worst.
The mental attitude that was patently obvious in the first quarter meant that the players think like a comment earlier on this thread, that with so many of their better players out, this game will win itself.
they need to play this as if they are playing Geelong, otherwise this game will go down as a disaster for the club going into the bye.
Membery another shot - goal. He has 3
Great entry by Gibbs.
Gotta give credit where it's due. Great kick by Gibbs to Walker. Pity he couldn't convert. We need more from Gibbs like that.
Membery another shot - goal. He has 3
Giving Weitering a bath
Stupid free kick given away kerridge- down field - pt membrey
Montana goal. Blues 25 - st 39
We are being well beaten at centre bounce and general ball ups around the ground.
They want it more at this point in time.
Tackling is virtually non existent and very poor.
Everritt in particular is a hopeless tackler and is having one of his regular, i have arrived at the ground, I'm on the ground, and now I'm going home games.
Saints dominating
Hickey goal from boundary. Now 20 down
Saints debutant lovely goal.
Goal Hickey showing our ruck division how to do it atm , kicks to there other ruckman and goals. We are now 26 pts behind
As "they" always say, this game is played 90% above the shoulders.
That goal by Pierce was as a result of just lazy, couldn't give a stuff play.
Our blokes have become victims of believing all the publicity
The desecration, team work, direction we have had for the last 2 months missing today.
As "they" always say, this game is played 90% above the shoulders.
That goal by Pierce was as a result of just lazy, couldn't give a stuff play.
Our blokes have become victims of believing all the publicity
Thought some thing similar Bignic, believing there own publicity it seems
Gorringe marks - need goal to settle -pt. Bugger
Courage Cripps and lamb - goal. Well done blues
Warming to Lamb courageous Mark, and importantly finished it of with great long goal
Great clearance and army tackle
Sensational lamb seconds
On cue great dual efforts by Lamb , stirring stuff, trying to lift the team
Intensity has certainly lifted , will be an interesting second half I feel. Few names need to live up to the hype of the last few weeks.
Gibbs and Cripps struggling to get effective disposals.
Hmmmm saints all over us, aside for some solid patches. We need to bring more patches and stick the tackles.
Lamb fabulous qtr. Need others to lift and get the cohesion working.
The intensity did lift in the last 5 minutes, but still not right there yet.
Stkilda have had 13 more tackles than us.
I am sick and tired watching our players run past the opponent who has the ball, rather than at him.
White and Everitt and Gorringe have been useless. And all walker wants to do is take a speccy. can't take a contested mark to save his life.
Gibbs and Cripps struggling to get effective disposals.
Agree, both done very little to contribute.
Saints speed really worrying us and they have also done well in the ruck...they been watching the videos on how we play and have zoned off well forcing us back and overusing the ball. Reckon having Reiwoldt out has helped them...he wouldnt have kicked straight like Membrey..
Cripps been well tagged by Dunstan and Curnow struggling with Jack Stevens pace...
They are a lot faster in the midfield which was always a worry for me esp with Murphy out.
But to compound things they are working harder across the ground to make space and cutting us up like I haven't seen this year.
Cant see us winning this.
Getting pumped by the Aints seconds, no fun, but there is a fair crowd here, probably 40K
I know we miss Murphy, but with him in and them having their 6 players that they lost in, we'd be losing by 10 goals!
Bottom line is this.
If they come out with the same attitude that they played the first half, they are gone.
No sign of the fast breaks , and drilled play we have shown over the last few weeks. Playing the game on the saints terms arm. It was evident in the first 15mins of the first qtr no direction, trying to play the short game , got caught out quickly. We did not seem in the zone from the first bounce. Hope we can re aim in the second half and control our play better
19 down at the long break.
We need to improve at clearances / stoppages.
Went OK when we got first ball use - just not enough of it.
Hope to see Crippa and Gibbs lift for 2nd half to give us a chance.
Docherty and Plowman have been solid. Love to see Byrne get his hands on ita bit more.
Go Blues
Simply put, they beat us easily in the clearances and out-pressured us all around the ground. We also missed a couple of easy chances late in the second. Anyway, I thought we were beginning to look better late in the 2nd so let's hope we can get our act together after half time.
We're getting murdered at the clearances and Casboult, Everitt, Walker and White are having very little influence.
Abundant skill errors, indecision and poor handling.
It's hard to see a turnaround but if we get out of this it will show some real character.
Cast your minds back to the first quarter against the lions last week. We played exactly the same, but the Lions couldn't take advantage of it.
One more thing. For a bloke whose now played the game for around 7 years, Zac Touhey is one of the great disappointments. He has absolutely no finesse with his ball handling, can't think under pressure, and gets caught time and again. I wish he was half as good as Sam Doc.
This week the team has been pumped up in the media as "playing finals", coach of the year", rising star of the year" and "all-Australian" - who knew??!!
That's another thing that Sh!!!!!ts me. How are we supposed to kick goals when there is no one in the bloody forward line!!
Bombing it in, playing tentative. Miracle required.
That was sickening. Cripps gets the ball, and guess what, no one to kick it to up forward. What the hell is the coach doing??
We have kicked 5 goals in a half. We do the same again, we aren't winning this.
Stevens making our midfield look stupid.
Clean fast and damaging.
Stevens making our midfield look stupid.
Clean fast and damaging.
Curnow is the wrong matchup.....I'd play Sumner on Stevens....
Midfield is non existent and down in attitude across board.
Walker is cooked.
Andrew Walker is a spud
My pet hate, the amount of times we have broken on the wing & half forward , had to turn around , go back , side ways etc because we have no structured forward lines. We don't see what the players can see at the time, but have to assume there is no clear Orion or at least a contest to kick to. . We then seem to turn it over and it's costs us.
If you want the definition of brainless, its Kerridge. Steven kicks the ball and goals. After he's kicked it, Kerridge pushes him over the boundary. Should have been 50 up
the ground, but umpire obviously didn't bother. Kerridge did it in the second quarter and gave away 50. Some blokes never learn.
If you want the definition of brainless, its Kerridge. Steven kicks the ball and goals. After he's kicked it, Kerridge pushes him over the boundary. Should have been 50 up
the ground, but umpire obviously didn't bother. Kerridge did it in the second quarter and gave away 50. Some blokes never learn.
Add walker to that
I guess it's good Jack Silvagni didn't debut this week.
So much for this being a percentage booster.
Really looking second rate atm , more importantly nothing happening to change this
Saints about to blow us away
I know what that 'F' word is.
Failure!
All the spuds are coming to the fore.
Walker, Everitte, Rowe, Curnow been hopeless, White a spud, Gorringe a spud. Carlton could start a potato farm.
Good. All the stupid talk about finals will be over now.... Welcome back to reality Carlton.
This one's all over folks - back to planet earth!
All the spuds are coming to the fore.
Walker, Everitte, Rowe, Curnow been hopeless, White a spud, Gorringe a spud. Carlton could start a potato farm.
I enjoyed that.
Good. All the stupid talk about finals will be over now.... Welcome back to reality Carlton.
Was that the loud bang i heard? Our bubble bursting!
Coaching is woeful today.
Steven ripping us a new one yet stands on his own every centre bounce :o
Coaching is woeful today.
Steven ripping us a new one yet stands on his own every centre bounce :o
Agree, coaching is second rate. Echoes of malthouse.
Coaching is woeful today.
Steven ripping us a new one yet stands on his own every centre bounce :o
SOS must be getting nervous about all the victories. Tanking.
Coaches have put the cue in the rack. 3G 4B to 0 WTF?
SOS must be getting nervous about all the victories. Tanking.
I enjoyed that ;D
Playing like moviestars - good really check
Surely Jaksch and Silvagni wouldn't do worse than Everitt and Walker today.
Players not cracking in today at all.
Carried the poor attitude of last week's 2nd half into this week. It's actually a disgraceful effort.
St.Kilda has been proven this year that it is one side you don't come in half-@rsed. North, Hawthorn and Melbourne will attest to that.
Maybe next week we'll select blokes that a actually kicking a heap of goals in the VFL.
All the spuds are coming to the fore.
Walker, Everitte, Rowe, Curnow been hopeless, White a spud, Gorringe a spud. Carlton could start a potato farm.
We are being mashed.
That goal came from a weak insipid tackle from Curnow.
Carried the poor attitude of last week's 2nd half into this week. It's actually a disgraceful effort.
St.Kilda has been proven this year that it is one side you don't come in half-@rsed. North, Hawthorn and Melbourne will attest to that.
Maybe next week we'll select blokes that a actually kicking a heap of goals in the VFL.
Spot on.
We are being mashed.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
We just don't look interested , commitment is lacking
We are being mashed.
Everyone's joining in. We need a Murphy.
Interesting to see how Weitering will go forward
I have never seen a bloke expend less energy in a game, than Rowe. everything needs to be in his favour for him to take a mark or get a kick.
Casboult is a spud
Now Casboult that was a comedy or Errors all round
A loss / bad performance is certainly good for business - forums are buzzing.
Now Casboult that was a comedy or Errors all round
Awful to listen to, let alone watch.
Casboult is a spud
If we could get a decent tall forward for him, I'd trade him now.
Everyone's joining in. We need a Murphy.
Yeah, be handy if he could chip in.
Yeah, be handy if he could chip in.
And the winner is.............
At least we're having a good time. Nobody else is.
Really opened us up out of the centre, clean possessions out of the centre , and we have no answer at all
gave fans hope now its time to lose every game bar last two games of the year.
I'm trying to think of another player who tosses the towel in like Everrit does.
Really opened us up out of the centre, clean possessions out of the centre , and we have no answer at all
It's been like this since the opening bounce. Little or no response from us.
Spot on PaulP from the first few minutes I thought, they are not on today, no spark,
We just have no composure at all today - the Saints have served it up to us and we just can't handle it.
Spot on PaulP from the first few minutes I thought, they are not on today, no spark,
Yes, we're still a team of simple extremes - we're either on or off, and that's pretty much it.
Apparently 50k at the ground - good turnout, considering.
Can we at least win the last q, please ?
I am sure with we can grow out of that with experience and player up grade. We have shown positives for months , but today , reality check.
Need a good old fashioned David Parkin rev up!
Haven't got our system on today. Would be good to see more tackle pressure in 4th
I suppose all our gun recruits are know list cloggers again. geez this is frustrating. Can somebody please be defensive side of Jack Steven at the stoppages, how !@#$%^ hard is that.
We are a team of Thorpdales getting well cooked by a team of red rascals
Today clearly highlights our lack of a key forward. We have no go to person at all. Casboult will not be the person, love Levi but he is not the main man, will be a great side kick. Wish McKay was available the last few weeks . When Everitt kicks his 3-4 goals , he is valuable, but when he doesn't do that doesn't do anything , and is a real liability , can't carry much longer
And the winner is.............
At least we're having a good time. Nobody else is.
We would like to see them do well. But it would be an absolute injustice to the club, if we even had a sniff of making the 8.
We need another clean out, and decent draft picks and trades.
We will not win a flag or have a chance to win one, with blokes like Everitte, White, Gorringe, Mathew Wright, just not good enough, Walker gone, Rowe, Sumner, the jury's out and some others. Jacksh would need to improve 200% toi get to the required standard. kerridge lacks foot and hand skills. Curnow is too slow, and his handball skills are non-existent. Thomas, just a shadow of what he was. Gibbs, is in and out.
It's the Charlie Curnow's Harry macks, Jack Silvagni's and Weiterings that are the hope of this side. Kreuzer if he stands up, Cripps, who I reckon is playing injured, Docherty, Ploughman, Bierne, and hopefully Sheehan and a couple of others.
And one more thing.
Our coach has been totally outclassed today by a seasoned performer.
He also has got a lot to learn. I'm sure he will, but as he says, it's a journey.
They aren't up to it.
We need to recruit goal kickers, players with forward nous! Simple!
Mids ineffectual
Backs are inundated
Rucks Dominated
Forwards, gee if only we had some forwards that were kicking snags in the VFL
Wish we didn't have the bye next week would have been interesting the team selection
Let's face it folks - by just about any measure, we have over achieved this year. The bubble was going to burst sooner or later - A win against the flag favorites and a loss against a middling team with some stars out is no shame given where we're at.
Getting a lesson from hickey and steven
Mids ineffectual
Backs are inundated
Rucks Dominated
Forwards, gee if only we had some forwards that were kicking snags in the VFL
Unfortunately the cupboard is bare there
Taken Bolts, three quarters to wake up that Curnow is getting flogged by Stevens.
Let's face it folks - by just about any measure, we have over achieved this year. The bubble was going to burst sooner or later - A win against the flag favorites and a loss against a middling team with some stars out is no shame given where we're at.
It's the reality check that was going to happen , we never thought we would be in this position , more importantly lets see how we respond. I think we all know we are due for an ugly one, but we didn't think it would be this game.
Mids ineffectual
Backs are inundated
Rucks Dominated
Forwards, gee if only we had some forwards that were kicking snags in the VFL
All that potato talk is making you hungry BA.
Beaut intercept mark doc
Unfortunately, not enough of our players have chipped in.
We have been a salted by the Saints.
Our so called pressure that Bolts keeps flogging is non existent today.
"we'd like to be defined by our pressure" keeps getting bandied about.
Well if thats the case we are $h1t because the only pressure im seeing is St Kilda's
Always a lot of talk of how fit Curnow is well jack Stevens must be on the gear. Don't see it often but Curnow can't go with his guy.
Running him ragged.
All that potato talk is making you hungry BA.
Im a sucker for starch ;D
For 500 large a year, that's what you get from Gibbs.
I know we are getting flogged, but there is absolutely no excuse for that.
Gibbs,bryrne, plowman, white and 2e haven't laid a tackle.
Gibbs back to his couldn't give a sh1t attitude.
It's the reality check that was going to happen , we never thought we would be in this position , more importantly lets see how we respond. I think we all know we are due for an ugly one, but we didn't think it would be this game.
All fair points RB.
It's an ugly one , would be more interested on how they would respond to this
Today clearly highlights our lack of a key forward. We have no go to person at all. Casboult will not be the person, love Levi but he is not the main man, will be a great side kick. Wish McKay was available the last few weeks . When Everitt kicks his 3-4 goals , he is valuable, but when he doesn't do that doesn't do anything , and is a real liability , can't carry much longer
When you have 2 blokes kicking goals on a weekly basis in the VFL and don't pick them this is what happens. Casboult should be helping Kreuzer in the ruck, that's his best when he's in the dual role. Kreuzer once again is crap to useless when he has to share the ruck duties. If he does it on his own then he's an entirely different player and stars. We've seen this for years.
Everitte making a cameo in the final quarter thinking that we don't know how hopeless he's been today.
Gibbs,bryrne, plowman, white and 2e haven't laid a tackle.
Really, in nearly 4 q ? That's disgusting.
Commentators saying Bolts on the boundary line to see the players on how they come off the ground, see there attitude, I guess see if it hurts? Might contribute to some changes for next game.
I guess the boys are really looking forward to the bye.
I guess the boys are really looking forward to the bye.
So am I :-\ :-\
I'll give Rowe credit for one thing. He is one of the best kicks to a man in our team.
unfortunately that's where it begins and ends.
That non-tackle by Thomas resulting in the goal, is symptomatic of the tackling or lack thereof on the day.
We have continuously run past the player with the ball, rather than at him.
Cripps desperately needs a rest!
So we re load , after the break. Absorb this, learn from it and see who wants to play. Pity no one really showing in the NB's to bring in. Don't think SOJ is ready, Jasch not the answer, Jones has been tried , so we try........?
So am I :-\ :-\
The last couple of months have been pretty good bignic. Today is an aberration in comparison.
I desperately need a rest from watching this crap
That non-tackle by Thomas resulting in the goal, is symptomatic of the tackling or lack thereof on the day.
We have continuously run past the player with the ball, rather than at him.
Thomas played his guts out today. Sure he missed the tackle but he left nothing out which i can only say for maybe 2 or 3 others.
Oh and Walker would have to be the dumbest footballer ever. They idiot flies 4 deep against all bigger player every forking time. Had enough of him to be honest.
Thomas played his guts out today. Sure he missed the tackle but he left nothing out which i can only say for maybe 2 or 3 others.
Oh and Walker would have to be the dumbest footballer ever. They idiot flies 4 deep against all bigger player every forking time. Had enough of him to be honest.
I have never seen a more over rated player than Walker.
Walker's athleticism made up for stupidity but injuies have crippled him. He's done, should retire and give Jack his guernsey.
3 goals straight to Cas - not bad in the context of the game.
I agree Thomas is the least of our problems, have been consistent most of the year , our lack of ability to impact on the scoreboard at critical times is a key, we don't have the cattle up there. Pity re illness & injury re the recruits , would have given us more flexibility , but let's see after the bye
Walker's athleticism made up for stupidity but injuies have crippled him. He's done, should retire and give Jack his guernsey.
I've always been a fan, but his season 2015 was lousy, and this season is only a little better. I agree with you.
Walker's athleticism made up for stupidity but injuies have crippled him. He's done, should retire and give Jack his guernsey.
Don't think it would be a total surprise if that happened at years end. There will be more culling for sure.but he has been a good servant of the club, as you say injuries have taken there toll .
3 goals straight to Cas - not bad in the context of the game.
I thought he played better when Jones was in.
The last couple of months have been pretty good bignic. Today is an aberration in comparison.
Absolutely agree, PP.
But, I reckon that games like this, actually put the focus on the usual suspects.
What you have in the wins, is the good players, bringing the spuds into the game.
Every team has got spuds, but the lower teams like us, have more than the Hawks, Swans etc.
I know for a fact, that those who make the decisions, are fully aware of the weaknesses, which is why you will hear Bolton repeating the mantra about the long journey.
They are also aware that he is also on a learning curve, and their aim is to give him the material that will enable him to take us to the next level.
What Bolts has proven, is that with a team re-pleat with spuds, he has had them playing above their weight.
I am really looking forward to watching Charlie Curnow, Harry mack hopefully play a few and Son of Jo play a few.
I know that they are building a war chest to get a big name player to the club. Watch this space.
We are building to a very exciting future, and the bottom line is not to get carried away too much by big wins, or drop the bundle by losses like today, knowing that we have at least 6 spuds in the team who won't be there next year.
Thomas played his guts out today. Sure he missed the tackle but he left nothing out which i can only say for maybe 2 or 3 others.
Oh and Walker would have to be the dumbest footballer ever. They idiot flies 4 deep against all bigger player every forking time. Had enough of him to be honest.
My comment reffered to the lack of a tackle, not how he has played today generally.
We won the last q - something to hang your hat on I guess.
I thought he played better when Jones was in.
I would agree.
So we re load , after the break. Absorb this, learn from it and see who wants to play. Pity no one really showing in the NB's to bring in. Don't think SOJ is ready, Jasch not the answer, Jones has been tried , so we try........?
SOS and Jaksch are kicking goals week in/week out. They are ready and ready to do give a good account of themselves.
Absolutely agree, PP.
But, I reckon that games like this, actually put the focus on the usual suspects.
What you have in the wins, is the good players, bringing the spuds into the game.
Every team has got spuds, but the lower teams like us, have more than the Hawks, Swans etc.
I know for a fact, that those who make the decisions, are fully aware of the weaknesses, which is why you will hear Bolton repeating the mantra about the long journey.
They are also aware that he is also on a learning curve, and their aim is to give him the material that will enable him to take us to the next level.
What Bolts has proven, is that with a team re-pleat with spuds, he has had them playing above their weight.
I am really looking forward to watching Charlie Curnow, Harry mack hopefully play a few and Son of Jo play a few.
I know that they are building a war chest to get a big name player to the club. Watch this space.
We are building to a very exciting future, and the bottom line is not to get carried away too much by big wins, or drop the bundle by losses like today, knowing that we have at least 6 spuds in the team who won't be there next year.
It's shame the powers that be couldn't do the same with Ratts, but for me old grudges die hard.
Big name player ? Isn't this a bit "old Carlton" ?
I hope it's not Travis Coke.
Beaten by Membrey and Steven and a bucnch of Kipflers. A bag of unwashed sebagos would have put up more pressure and tackles than we did.
I may be berated for this but i'm kinda glad we got flogged by a shizen team, bring the boys back down to earth a bit.
We struggled in the ruck today and at the clearances. Phillips will come back for sure as reports say he played a stormer for the NBs.
It is a bad loss, in fact it is a really poor showing and some players in particular let themselves down, but that is okay. That is expected, Bolton has stated he doesn't want them getting to high or too low. Well for the first time we have lost a game we were clear favourites for and now we need to show that we can take lessons from it and continue to grow
I don't mind losses this year, whilst wanting to win each one of course
It is a bad loss, in fact it is a really poor showing and some players in particular let themselves down, but that is okay. That is expected, Bolton has stated he doesn't want them getting to high or too low. Well for the first time we have lost a game we were clear favourites for and now we need to show that we can take lessons from it and continue to grow
I don't mind losses this year, whilst wanting to win each one of course
Yes - agree.
Come on mods - let's wrap this up, and continue our whinging (i.e analysis) in the post game thread.
Absolutely agree, PP.
But, I reckon that games like this, actually put the focus on the usual suspects.
What you have in the wins, is the good players, bringing the spuds into the game.
Every team has got spuds, but the lower teams like us, have more than the Hawks, Swans etc.
I know for a fact, that those who make the decisions, are fully aware of the weaknesses, which is why you will hear Bolton repeating the mantra about the long journey.
They are also aware that he is also on a learning curve, and their aim is to give him the material that will enable him to take us to the next level.
What Bolts has proven, is that with a team re-pleat with spuds, he has had them playing above their weight.
I am really looking forward to watching Charlie Curnow, Harry mack hopefully play a few and Son of Jo play a few.
I know that they are building a war chest to get a big name player to the club. Watch this space.
We are building to a very exciting future, and the bottom line is not to get carried away too much by big wins, or drop the bundle by losses like today, knowing that we have at least 6 spuds in the team who won't be there next year.
Agree, they know our list is no where near flag material.
Question is how do we find 4 top 25 picks this year and next.
Too many of us see the team win but don't realise we have major deficiencies still.
Gibbs is a great example, has probably played 4 good games this year but 5/6 pretty poor ones.
When he is poor he doesn't contribute.
Everett the same.
Walker the same without the good games.
It is a bad loss, in fact it is a really poor showing and some players in particular let themselves down, but that is okay. That is expected, Bolton has stated he doesn't want them getting to high or too low. Well for the first time we have lost a game we were clear favourites for and now we need to show that we can take lessons from it and continue to grow
I don't mind losses this year, whilst wanting to win each one of course
X2
Early in the journey for us, saints much further along.
Much to learn from today.
Love to see the young fellas get a game.
Agree, they know our list is no where near flag material.
Question is how do we find 4 top 25 picks this year and next.
Too many of us see the team win but don't realise we have major deficiencies still.
Gibbs is a great example, has probably played 4 good games this year but 5/6 pretty poor ones.
When he is poor he doesn't contribute.
Everett the same.
Walker the same without the good games.
Gibbs has not had 5 or 6 bad games this year.
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