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we need to put pressure on there mids ,if we can do this helps our defenders control JK and DARLS.
When you come from 27 down 1/2 time to rock last year's grand finalists, you've had a super day out. Especially when this team belted you by 10 goals when you met last.
Had we had a few more contributors and slotted those couple of gettable set shots - we'd be grinners :))
Well done Blues.
Memo to K Jaksch: On your way out, grab a copy of the last quarter and see how someone with some football clues and determination, plays that forward position. He wears 23
When you come from 27 down 1/2 time to rock last year's grand finalists, you've had a super day out. Especially when this team belted you by 10 goals when you met last.
Had we had a few more contributors and slotted those couple of gettable set shots - we'd be grinners :))
Well done Blues.
It does raise the usual question though - did they shut up shop or did we shut them down ? A bit of both IMO.
Hate being beaten, should never accept it but....... Last quarter Cripps, Silvagni, Weitering, Curnow, Plowman, Phillip with the class of Gibbs and the courage of Simpson, there was a lot to like.
Pretty gutsy effort in the second half. Cripps, Silvagni, Gibbs flicked the switch. Good signs for the future.
Our first half was putrid though.
Kerridge has a crack bit disposal is terrible.
Cripps and Gibbs come back into it in the second half but neede more early.
2 critical errors cost in the third.
Memo to K Jaksch: On your way out, grab a copy of the last quarter and see how someone with some football clues and determination, plays that forward position. He wears 23
His first game back in a side that kicked 3.3 to half time. Weitering's a better player but Jaksch will be ok.
You can never be happy with a loss but today is as close as it comes, a great fighting effort and the boys never lost faith.
We're four or five players short of being a good side even with Murphy, Thomas and Byrne available.
Curnow and Silvagni are both good enough, one decent key forward and one decent small forward and our front six will be getting there.
On top of that a couple of quick and skillful midfielders and wer're away, but it's easier said than done.
I really liked Phillips' game today.
Laj, were you actually at the game?????
His first game back in a side that kicked 3.3 to half time. Weitering's a better player but Jaksch will be ok.
Hope so, showed some courage making that spoil, shocking turnover, he got into it at least. Must persist with him and give him time..I think.
Sumner and Lamb were a worry today.
I think Phillips will become a very good ruckman. All he needs is a few extra kilos and some time. I see good things ahead. The next draft is crucial.
It does raise the usual question though - did they shut up shop or did we shut them down ? A bit of both IMO.
Or was it all a showcase of our exciting game for the US Vice President ;)
No matter what we make of it, it should help the club's rebuild for supporters, staff, and players alike.
Gutsy performances don't do us any harm. Compare it to our last outing with WC and you've gotta be happy.
The young fellows in particular were exciting.
Go Blues :-*
Hope so, showed some courage making that spoil, shocking turnover, he got into it at least. Must persist with him and give him time..I think.
Sumner and Lamb were a worry today.
Jaksch isn't good enough at AFL level.
Sumner did well to earn that shot late but small forwards have to nail them, his ball to Curnow earlier was good.
I think he shows enough to persevere with, I'd replace Lamb with Boekhorst for next week, and Jaksch with Jones.
Jaksch isn't good enough at AFL level.
Sumner did well to earn that shot late but small forwards have to nail them, his ball to Curnow earlier was good.
I think he shows enough to persevere with, I'd replace Lamb with Boekhorst for next week, and Jaksch with Jones.
I thought Jaksch was better when he was moved in to defence and Weitering forward. I always thought he'd make a better defender, just doesn't have the presence to be a key forward. Worth keeping on the list as depth in defence for another couple of years IMO.
On another note, I can see why we were willing to get rid of Menzel and didn't go real hard for Ben Lennon. SOS is better than both.
Laj, were you actually at the game?????
What's that got to do with it. I saw it.
Like I said, first game in, only key forward in a side that was terrible with 3.3 at half time. A thing called confidence. Gets mistaken for many other things.
Jaksch isn't good enough at AFL level.
Sumner did well to earn that shot late but small forwards have to nail them, his ball to Curnow earlier was good.
I think he shows enough to persevere with, I'd replace Lamb with Boekhorst for next week, and Jaksch with Jones.
Jaksch wasn't good but we need to give him at least another 3 or 4 games on the trot to get a better look at him.
With you about Boekhorst. I'd like to see him in next week if he's fit.
I thought Jaksch was better when he was moved in to defence and Weitering forward. I always thought he'd make a better defender, just doesn't have the presence to be a key forward. Worth keeping on the list as depth in defence for another couple of years IMO.
On another note, I can see why we were willing to get rid of Menzel and didn't go real hard for Ben Lennon. SOS is better than both.
B4L is always quick to write players off.
While he struggled today I think he was better in defence in the 2nd half. Wouldn't mind Weitering forward with Casboult next week with Jaksch given a chance to gets some confidence in defence. Might give us a chance at opening the forward line up a bit more.
Maybe we can put him on Buddy...lol.
B4L is always quick to write players off.
Name one I've written off who has made the grade.
A blind man can see his limitations, what our list management people saw in him to trade pick 7 is anyone's guess but the same people signed Jones for three years.
Name one I've written off who has made the grade.
A blind man can see his limitations, what our list management people saw in him to trade pick 7 is anyone's guess but the same people signed Jones for three years.
Those who were actually at the game would have noticed his one 'positive' was getting caught in the middle of a pack and committing himself to the contest. Forward or back, he lacked awareness, first efforts (let alone second efforts!), a sense of urgency, the ability to contest and he's been in the system 4 years, he's not a newbie, he hasn't had glandular fever, he wasn't carrying a corked thigh from the first quarter. He just ain't got it!
Only watched the last quarter via a pirate feed on the computer.
Clearly we were beaten by our own lack of experience, fitness & skills. We had some serious 'fire in the belly' that made us fight it right out and in the end, gave the Eagles one hell of a fright.
I can handle losing if I keep seeing lots of competitiveness & endeavour, the future is bright.
Sam Rowe is standing up nicely, is making less mistakes and taking a few sizable scalps.
Whilst I'm not one of his admirers, Jaksch needs to stay in the seniors for another 2-3 weeks so he can be given one last opportunity to show what he has to offer.
Only watched the last quarter via a pirate feed on the computer.
Clearly we were beaten by our own lack of experience, fitness & skills. We had some serious 'fire in the belly' that made us fight it right out and in the end, gave the Eagles one hell of a fright.
I can handle losing if I keep seeing lots of competitiveness & endeavour, the future is bright.
Well, I guess it makes easier to handle, but not by much.
What would make it even easier to handle is if we are losing yet still kicking decent scores, around 90-100 points, like a few seasons back, because at least it gives us a chance. We won't win anything kicking 50-70 points per game.
Sam Rowe is standing up nicely, is making less mistakes and taking a few sizable scalps.
Yep, not too shabby at the moment.
Weitering on one leg in one quarter showed he is our next champion forward.
Well, I guess it makes easier to handle, but not by much.
What would make it even easier to handle is if we are losing yet still kicking decent scores, around 90-100 points, like a few seasons back, because at least it gives us a chance. We won't win anything kicking 50-70 points per game.
Like most other 'developing' teams, we seem to be getting our defensive systems worked out. Also we seem to have reasonable backmen cattle to work with.
I agree with B4L. Happy to be proven wrong, but Jaksch was awful today. It was in the backline where he gifted the Weagles a goal and up forward he had no judgement for the ball. I'd love him to be something, but I'm not holding my breath.
In any rate he'll be dropped for Cazz next week, unless the CFC feel like giving Cazz a run in the VFL.
Having said all that, I really liked what I saw in the second half. Cut out some horrible turnovers and we win that game.
Silvagni is fantastic over heard. C. Curnow has the X-factor and Weitering should start up forward next week (not that he'll see the ball much against the Swans, but he looked at home there).
And a shout out to Simon White who was great all day.
Simpson is a true Carlton great.
And while I'm typing, the side can't play both Sumner and Lamb. Lamb grassed a lace out pass in the second and didn't get his head in the game after that. Sumner tried all day and set up a great goal to CC but he disappears for great swathes of the game. I'd certainly bring BB in for one of these guys next week.
Like Nicky G's game. 8 tackles is nothing to sneeze at. His big problem is how slow he is under pressure. In space he's fine and he put his body on the line, but when he gets the ball under some heat he's too slow. Still, we need the extra mid and he was more than serviceable today.
Talking about slow, Kerridge panics when he doesn't have a clear target to give it too. He was out main mid while Gibbs and Cripps were on holiday and did his best to give us drive but he seriously butchers the ball when he doesn't have an obvious choice.
Cripps has 5 disposals in the first half and 29 for the game. Yes, would love to see a four quarter effort from him, but credit where it's due that was an enormous second half. If only he could kick straight.
Simpson. A legend. Can't be said enough.
Like most other 'developing' teams, we seem to be getting our defensive systems worked out. Also we seem to have reasonable backmen cattle to work with.
I guess so, but what species are "backmen cattle" ?
A gutsy fighting effort today with Simmo, our spritual leader, right out there in front and centre! Our future began to shine through today. I left the game feeling buoyed despite not winning.
PI2C was right about Weitering as a key forward :)
It was a pretty dismal first half with lots of turnovers and not much happening in our forward 50. Soft free kicks to Wet Toast didn't help.
The third quarter was more promising and I'm sure Bolton will have a lot to like about our effort and execution in the last quarter.
I was listening to Daniel Gorringe speaking before the game and he made the point that recent post match reviews were positive with lots of good indicators. I guess that shows how much supporters are in the dark (and particularly one bloke who sits near me!).
SOS's comments about Jaksch were prophetic; his main contribution was freeing Weitering up to go forward.
Weitering's ability to read the flight and clunk marks unsettled the Weagles defenders and helped to create opportunities for our other forwards. It may be gilding the lily but I reckon Gibbs unleashed the torp because he was confident that Weitering would mark it.
Some of the disposal from players like Kerridge, Wright and Docherty was very poor and killed off promising build ups. We really have to eliminate those disposal errors.
Buckley and Graham did enough to stay in the team and Buckley's goal was a ripper. Simon White put in another good performance and it's a good sign when our second stringers stand up. It really eases the pressure on Docherty, Simpson and co.
I've had enough of Lamb and Sumner though. They need to get some form in the NBs.
Kreuzer did some great work today. He didn't really look like taking a mark but his effort when the ball was on the ground created so many opportunities for team mates.
Finally, why is it that the most vocal supporter in your vicinity is the one who knows the least about the game? The bozo near me thought that Gorringe was playing well, wanted us to get a free kick when Wright kicked the ball out and couldn't understand why we didn't get a free for "third man up" ::)
Memo to K Jaksch: On your way out, grab a copy of the last quarter and see how someone with some football clues and determination, plays that forward position. He wears 23
Today was a poor one for Jaksch, no doubt. I would still give him another game or 2 to see how he goes, but today was potentially career ending.
Weitering on one leg is as good as any forward we've played this year. Fit he'd be good for 3-4 a game and we can always throw him back if needed.
Add McKay, Curnow and Silvagni with a year or twos development and we may have a fearful forward line.
Jacksch probably won't make it but we've nothing to lose by giving him a few games. Same with Jones.
We're short two key position players who still aren't at the club.
A gutsy fighting effort today with Simmo, our spritual leader, right out there in front and centre! Our future began to shine through today. I left the game feeling buoyed despite not winning.
I felt both happy and frustrated as errors cost us the game in the end, errors we weren't making 6 weeks ago. So we know we can do better too although, bar Geelong, our opposition is much better now. Lost it late in the 3rd qtr.
Liked the 5 last qtr goals, especially when I thought we'd be lucky to kick 5 for the game. Weitering going forward was a big help and C.Curnow had a much better 2nd half taking a few grabs as a big body up forward. Just makes a difference. Straightens you up and make for more confident and direct movement into the forward 50. Opens the game up. once it's more open less errors are made. When we play with the right structured side with a bit of confidence we make life for most sides tough. When we don't we're crap and look horrible.
PI2C was right about Weitering as a key forward :)
It was a pretty dismal first half with lots of turnovers and not much happening in our forward 50. Soft free kicks to Wet Toast didn't help.
The third quarter was more promising and I'm sure Bolton will have a lot to like about our effort and execution in the last quarter.
I was listening to Daniel Gorringe speaking before the game and he made the point that most match reviews were positive with lots of good indicators. I guess that shows how much supporters are in the dark (and particularly one bloke who sits near me!).
SOS's comments about Jaksch were prophetic; his main contribution was freeing Weitering up to go forward.
Weitering's ability to read the flight and clunk marks unsettled the Weagles defenders and helped to create opportunities for our other forwards. It may be gilding the lily but I reckon Gibbs unleashed the torp because he was confident that Weitering would mark it.
Some of the disposal from players like Kerridge, Wright and Docherty was very poor and killed off promising build ups. We really have to eliminate those disposal errors.
Buckley and Graham did enough to stay in the team and Buckley's goal was a ripper. Simon White put in another good performance and it's a good sign when our second stringers stand up. It really eases the pressure on Docherty, Simpson and co.
I've had enough of Lamb and Sumner though. They need to get some form in the NBs.
Kreuzer did some great work today. He didn't really look like taking a mark but his effort when the ball was on the ground created so many opportunities for team mates.
Finally, why is it that the most vocal supporter in your vicinity is the one who knows the least about the game? The bozo near me thought that Gorringe was playing well, wanted us to get a free kick when Wright kicked the ball out and couldn't understand why we didn't get a free for "third man up" ::)
I have to agree. They are simply not getting enough of the ball at the moment and not ding enough with it when they have got it. Sumner had a couple of shocking turnovers today that lead directly to Weagle goals. Yes, he wasn't alone, but with guys like Boekhorst (finally) showing something, it is time to get them a go in the VFL. They will be with us in 2017. Other guys have not had an opportunity yet, and need to in the next few weeks.
I wouldn't play Charlie Curnow next week either. He didn't make much of a contribution, which isn't a huge surprise, considering what he has been through this year. He showed he is going to be a player. Fine. Now try Jones. Jones has to convince SOS and Bolts that he is worth persevering with.
I was happy enough with Weitering. He is not in great form at the moment, but it is a long season for young kids like him. He didn't have a good match up in defence for periods of the game, so sending him forward was definitely worth the risk and gave us some rewards. He will probably pinch hit as a forward in the future sometimes, so we saw that he can do it.
I was not that enamored with the fact that Lamb was coming to the club as he hadn't done much at his two previous clubs.
Upon arrival at Princes Park, there is one trait that stands out to me and that is he doesn't mind chasing & tackling, there is a defensive mindset. To that end, I'd like to see him groomed as a permanent defender but in the role that we have been screaming for, that being to mind the dangerous forward pocket goal-sneaks (eg. Betts, Blair etc).
I'm not saying it is a certainty to work but I feel that both he & the club stand to gain so much more if it does turn out positively.
I was not that enamored with the fact that Lamb was coming to the club as he hadn't done much at his two previous clubs.
Upon arrival at Princes Park, there is one trait that stands out to me and that is he doesn't mind chasing & tackling, there is a defensive mindset. To that end, I'd like to see him groomed as a permanent defender but in the role that we have been screaming for, that being to mind the dangerous forward pocket goal-sneaks (eg. Betts, Blair etc).
I'm not saying it is a certainty to work but I feel that both he & the club stand to gain so much more if it does turn out positively.
Actually, Sheik, it is not a bad idea at all. He is not bad in the air (although he dropped some sitters today) and his kicking is reasonable. Someone has to take over Simmo's role eventually. Why not give Lamb a try?
The small forward spot is probably our biggest structural weakness at the moment: we don't get crumbing goals. Silvagni has been closer to doing that than anyone else we've tried so far, and he is an 18 year old kid. Having a Betts or even a Garlett would make ur forward line SO much more potent!
PI2C was right about Weitering as a key forward :)
It was a pretty dismal first half with lots of turnovers and not much happening in our forward 50. Soft free kicks to Wet Toast didn't help.
The third quarter was more promising and I'm sure Bolton will have a lot to like about our effort and execution in the last quarter.
I was listening to Daniel Gorringe speaking before the game and he made the point that recent post match reviews were positive with lots of good indicators. I guess that shows how much supporters are in the dark (and particularly one bloke who sits near me!).
SOS's comments about Jaksch were prophetic; his main contribution was freeing Weitering up to go forward.
Weitering's ability to read the flight and clunk marks unsettled the Weagles defenders and helped to create opportunities for our other forwards. It may be gilding the lily but I reckon Gibbs unleashed the torp because he was confident that Weitering would mark it.
Some of the disposal from players like Kerridge, Wright and Docherty was very poor and killed off promising build ups. We really have to eliminate those disposal errors.
Buckley and Graham did enough to stay in the team and Buckley's goal was a ripper. Simon White put in another good performance and it's a good sign when our second stringers stand up. It really eases the pressure on Docherty, Simpson and co.
I've had enough of Lamb and Sumner though. They need to get some form in the NBs.
Kreuzer did some great work today. He didn't really look like taking a mark but his effort when the ball was on the ground created so many opportunities for team mates.
Finally, why is it that the most vocal supporter in your vicinity is the one who knows the least about the game? The bozo near me thought that Gorringe was playing well, wanted us to get a free kick when Wright kicked the ball out and couldn't understand why we didn't get a free for "third man up" ::)
Sumner had no pre-season and was injured for years so he's probably running out of puff. Will be good for us with a full pre-season and this season under his belt. Lamb was probably an "extra" in the deal so was never expecting alot. Boekhorst will probably come in for him next week.
Nothing like having someone up forward who you have confidence in to mark it. Gives the mids so much confidence, straightens them up and allows the ball to enter the forward line so much more quickly and efficiently. Weitering though certainly gave us something and helped us get close, as did C.Curnow picking up his game.
I have to agree. They are simply not getting enough of the ball at the moment and not ding enough with it when they have got it. Sumner had a couple of shocking turnovers today that lead directly to Weagle goals. Yes, he wasn't alone, but with guys like Boekhorst (finally) showing something, it is time to get them a go in the VFL. They will be with us in 2017. Other guys have not had an opportunity yet, and need to in the next few weeks.
I wouldn't play Charlie Curnow next week either. He didn't make much of a contribution, which isn't a huge surprise, considering what he has been through this year. He showed he is going to be a player. Fine. Now try Jones. Jones has to convince SOS and Bolts that he is worth persevering with.
I was happy enough with Weitering. He is not in great form at the moment, but it is a long season for young kids like him. He didn't have a good match up in defence for periods of the game, so sending him forward was definitely worth the risk and gave us some rewards. He will probably pinch hit as a forward in the future sometimes, so we saw that he can do it.
I think dropping Curnow for Jones is a backward step. Curnow really grew into the game and given he's been out for more than three months it was a better than serviceable effort.
I was not that enamored with the fact that Lamb was coming to the club as he hadn't done much at his two previous clubs.
Upon arrival at Princes Park, there is one trait that stands out to me and that is he doesn't mind chasing & tackling, there is a defensive mindset. To that end, I'd like to see him groomed as a permanent defender but in the role that we have been screaming for, that being to mind the dangerous forward pocket goal-sneaks (eg. Betts, Blair etc).
I'm not saying it is a certainty to work but I feel that both he & the club stand to gain so much more if it does turn out positively.
He was essentially an "extra" though amongst the 4 we got from GWS. Defence is worth a shot although he might get dropped for Boekhorst next week.
I think dropping Curnow for Jones is a backward step. Curnow really grew into the game and given he's been out for more than three months it was a better than serviceable effort.
Casboult will come back in next week so doubt Jones will. Would've been nice to have both he and Weitering up forward in the 2nd half.
One thing today showed us. Once we can get a few decent midfielders we will be good. Definitely our target this draft/trade period. Look forward to Cunningham getting a run, Boekhorst coming back.
With SOS and eventuallly C.Curnow we don't need Everitt or Walker much more offten
I should have mentioned that I liked the orange socks today. The "Carlton Respects" initiative is timely and recognises the role social influencers can have to change unacceptable and damaging behaviour.
I was not that enamored with the fact that Lamb was coming to the club as he hadn't done much at his two previous clubs.
Upon arrival at Princes Park, there is one trait that stands out to me and that is he doesn't mind chasing & tackling, there is a defensive mindset. To that end, I'd like to see him groomed as a permanent defender but in the role that we have been screaming for, that being to mind the dangerous forward pocket goal-sneaks (eg. Betts, Blair etc).
I'm not saying it is a certainty to work but I feel that both he & the club stand to gain so much more if it does turn out positively.
In most of his games I had a different opinion and felt that he has lacked the effort and speed to chase and assert real pressure - more of a 'run-along-after-the-guy-with-the-ball' type without ever looking likely to catch him, like Gibbs has always been. About the only game when I shared your opinion was against the Saints, when he really showed some intensity. I prefer Sumner.
Reckon we need to ease up on Jaksch....sure he didnt have a great game, had some bad errors but he also took a hit for the team when he backed into a marking contest and while making a good spoil. Its all about workrate with KJ and if he keeps committing himself like that spoil then he will make it and have the coach in his corner.
Weitering is injured and needs resting and I'd be playing KJ at CHB where he looks more comfortable and where I have seen him play his best footy.
It was a fairly uninspiring game until about 10 minutes to go and some of our young blokes like Weitering and Curnow got us back in the game..SOSOS took some good marks and if you took some of the over possessing errors out it wasnt a bad effort albeit that West Coast are pretenders and not really top 4 material.
I'm a Charlie Curnow fan and reckon he has more ability than most and I'd be keeping him in the team....also like his enthusiasm and the way he goes about his work, he some attitude and you compare him to Everitt for example and you can see winning means something to Charlie other than just a another paycheck...
SOS's shank was up there with one of the best i've seen. Levi would be proud of that one..lol
First off I was pretty disappointed that with so many secret service agents with so much fire power and not one terrorist umpire was taken out.
The comments about Jaksch seem very similar to the comments that have been made about Rowe, White, Buckley, Graham, Armfield, E Curnow, Gorringe and a few others over the years. I thought he was pretty committed to the contest. As I said last week about Jones with the Northern Blues, being center half forward for Carlton is probably the second toughest job in football.
Bonehead errors killed us today but the upside was the efforts of our young players. Silvagni, Weitering and C Curnow, who were fantastic today, along with Cripps, Phillips, Buckley & Graham.
Let's celebrate the future rather than wallow in the disappointment of the result.
Reckon we need to ease up on Jaksch....sure he didnt have a great game, had some bad errors but he also took a hit for the team when he backed into a marking contest and while making a good spoil. Its all about workrate with KJ and if he keeps committing himself like that spoil then he will make it and have the coach in his corner.
Weitering is injured and needs resting and I'd be playing KJ at CHB where he looks more comfortable and where I have seen him play his best footy.
It was a fairly uninspiring game until about 10 minutes to go and some of our young blokes like Weitering and Curnow got us back in the game..SOSOS took some good marks and if you took some of the over possessing errors out it wasnt a bad effort albeit that West Coast are pretenders and not really top 4 material.
I'm a Charlie Curnow fan and reckon he has more ability than most and I'd be keeping him in the team....also like his enthusiasm and the way he goes about his work, he some attitude and you compare him to Everitt for example and you can see winning means something to Charlie other than just a another paycheck...
From what we've seen, with some of these younger players, we just a few good midfielders away from becoming a very good side in a couple of years.
Enjoyed the "never give up" performance today. It gives the players the experience of relative success with sustained physical and mental focus and determination. Will teach them how to win the close ones in time.
Re: Inclusions
I thought Buckley was OK, certainly showed more defensive pressure landing some good tackles. His reflexive goal showed his improved strength and confidence. Nick G likewise showed his defensive development. He needs another string to his bow to hold his place atm. Charlie did well on return. He worked his way into the game and will be better for the run. I can see him and SOJ giving us much needed forward options in years to come. KJ, well. Some great defensive moves, but less in offense. I'd like to see him with a few games in a row in a familiar role to give him a chance to adjust and show what he's got. As I understand he's been in the system a few years and ? had a full preseason. His green shoots should be emerging soon.... Bring it young fella
The CARLTON RESPECTS initiative is refreshing. Gee how good does orange look with navy? (enter the SOS Giants relationship for the off season :P)
Go Blues
Enjoyed the "never give up" performance today. It gives the players the experience of relative success with sustained physical and mental focus and determination. Will teach them how to win the close ones in time.
Re: Inclusions
I thought Buckley was OK, certainly showed more defensive pressure landing some good tackles. His reflexive goal showed his improved strength and confidence. Nick G likewise showed his defensive development. He needs another string to his bow to hold his place atm. Charlie did well on return. He worked his way into the game and will be better for the run. I can see him and SOJ giving us much needed forward options in years to come. KJ, well. Some great defensive moves, but less in offense. I'd like to see him with a few games in a row in a familiar role to give him a chance to adjust and show what he's got. As I understand he's been in the system a few years and ? had a full preseason. His green shoots should be emerging soon.... Bring it young fella
The CARLTON RESPECTS initiative is refreshing. Gee how good does orange look with navy? (enter the SOS Giants relationship for the off season :P)
Go Blues
Lost much of his pre-season due to illness. Couldn't play the NAB Challenge games.
From what we've seen, with some of these younger players, we just a few good midfielders away from becoming a very good side in a couple of years.
Yep..plenty of positives IMO and it was the young blokes leading the way along with a couple of wise old heads like Simpson, Gibbs and a new wise old head in Docherty..
Agree..couple of slick bigger mids, Forward Pocket Goal sneak and a genuine FF who can convert and we have a lot of the foundations covered and I expect a consistent climb up the ladder...
We're to be applauded for our effort seeing as we nearly toppled last years Grand Finalist despite being hugely inexperienced in terms of total games at AFL Level (SOS, C, Curnow, Weitering, Jacksh, Sumner, Phillips, Plowman, Buckley, Graham, Kerridge and Lamb all played less than 20-25 games).
Simmo and Doc played well again.
Kreuz doesn't seem to be himself.
Great to see Gibbs and Cripps fight their way out of their bad first halves, with killer 2nd half performances.
As usual, poor ball use and terrible turnovers cost us dearly.
Yep..plenty of positives IMO and it was the young blokes leading the way along with a couple of wise old heads like Simpson, Gibbs and a new wise old head in Docherty..
Agree..couple of slick bigger mids, Forward Pocket Goal sneak and a genuine FF who can convert and we have a lot of the foundations covered and I expect a consistent climb up the ladder...
Docherty is the new wise old young head and Weiters is the newest wisest old youngest head in the AFL.
Add in the likes of Crippa, Plowman, SOJ, and the very personable Phillips, and we've got some leadership to build our future on.
Who else might emerge as leaders?
As the little man said "our future is strong"
Our endeavor was there, we just lacked a fair bit of polish. I think it will come.
Agree with Elwood about Jaksch - was asked to play a role he really isn't suited for. Tough gig first up. He looked a bit lost, but give him a chance, maybe play him in defence next week (as I reckon Weitering might miss).
Great effort to keep them to 12 goals - we probably had our weakest team in for the year, I expected them to blow us away in the 2nd half.
I left at the start of the last qtr, so I missed nearly half of our goals!
If Cripps is playing injured then his second half is one for the ages. He was unbelievable and worked in superbly with Gibbs.
If Cripps is playing injured then his second half is one for the ages. He was unbelievable and worked in superbly with Gibbs.
I heard today that he is being 'carefully managed' so that he can 'see out the season'. Apparently he is nowhere near 100% fit, but his 2nd half today was one to remember.
He was essentially an "extra" though amongst the 4 we got from GWS. Defence is worth a shot although he might get dropped for Boekhorst next week.
The only extra was Jaksch.
He will be delisted
If Cripps is playing injured then his second half is one for the ages. He was unbelievable and worked in superbly with Gibbs.
One of the reporters in the post match presser commented that Cripps' last q numbers were "extraordinary" and the reporter then asked Bolts " were you entitled to ask "where was that for the first 3 q, or is that being harsh on the young fella ?". Bolts said something like " it's difficult to play 4q at that level week in week out, and Cripps' contested stats are among the best in the league."
People going in to bat for Kristian Jaksch.....purlease. Arguably the worst player on our list & his papers have been stamped. Sometimes you gotta just say no.
Graham made a much better fist of his opportunity today than he did against the Lions all those weeks ago......good for him, was pleased to see it. Buckley was okay.....
3 x consecutive turnovers for 3 x 15m uncontested dribble goals.....game was lost right there (Cripps' kicking for goal also a contributing factor). West Coast again live up to their well-earned name as flat-track bullies.....although a bit more care in front of goal by their forwards might've been a whole different story too. Jack Darling 0.5 for the day.....ouch!!!
Sam Rowe - awesome. Started the year in my eyes as one of the biggest spuds in the AFL, right now would be top 5 in the B&F.....and deservedly so. Apart from Josh Gibson - is their a better spoiler in the AFL? Simmo & Docherty......imagine some of the results this year if not for Rowe, Simmo & Docherty???
Would've been nice to get 4 quarters out of Cripps & Gibbs, but their 2nd halves were simply outstanding.
Isn't it great watching some of these young blokes develop before our eyes? Curnow Jnr. has got future gun written all over him, SOS Jnr. is such a clone of his Dad it's spooky & Weitering.....'nuff said.
We're getting a mix of coach-killing moments & then glimpses of future greatness.....it's unpredictable & frustrating as all hell at times, but I'm hoping the short term pain will be worth it.
I'm still undecided on KJ, but generally agree - fair post Brettie.
The only extra was Jaksch.
He will be delisted
If you think he'll be delisted then he'll probably win a Brownlow. Not that I'd expect you to understand but he drew the short straw big time as our only key forward at his age and experience, especially in a side that had 3.3 by half time. That was one tough gig. Those that know anything about football would get that, those that don't would simply write him off on one performance. Certainly looked better in defence in the 2nd half. We didn't lose anything and allowed Weitering to go forward. Jaksch will turn out ok but Weitering is another step again in ability.
I wouldn't think he'd be delisted. One he's contracted for next year, plus he's just 21. At pick 7 we'll persist a bit longer.
We've seen Crippa "work his way into games" more than once. His capacity to will himself, at times on the back of what seems (to uninformed observers like me) an ordinary start, is Judd like. Extraordinary indeed. Wait till he's gets a few games and preseasons under his belt - he'll be unstoppable.
We've seen Crippa "work his way into games" more than once. His capacity to will himself, at times on the back of what seems (to uninformed observers like me) an ordinary start, is Judd like. Extraordinary indeed. Wait till he's gets a few games and preseasons under his belt - he'll be unstoppable.
Fair post their LoveNavy.
We've seen Crippa "work his way into games" more than once. His capacity to will himself, at times on the back of what seems (to uninformed observers like me) an ordinary start, is Judd like. Extraordinary indeed. Wait till he's gets a few games and preseasons under his belt - he'll be unstoppable.
Too true LoveNavy , I remember posting mid way through the second qtr , he had 5 hb's only, massive second half and dragged some others with him, ala Juddy , was great to see
Lining up for the game my old man remarked that weitering would be good to put forward for a half to ease up the pressure on him. Seemed the coach was listening.
Odd game, and was grim viewing for a while as the congestion clogged up play. At stages, with 36 players in one sixth of the ground, only a stray pie wrapper made for any movement. West Coast wouldn't be too happy with their performance. They should have put us to bed earlier, but bad kicking is bad something.
As for us, this game and the rest of the season is working out who stays, who goes and what the future looks like. As many have mentioned, Jacksh was poor, just lacking effort and desperation. He will get another game or two, but cant see him lasting much longer. He is playing a difficult role, but desire has to be there. Sumner missed a pre season and it shows, but some time in the seconds would help him. Lamb dropped his bundle after dropping a lace out pass. Buckley is unlikely to continue. He just doesnt impact games enough and more is expected of a player in his fifth year.
The ruck future for carlton does not involve Kruezer. His game today was a few tap outs, some bash and crash and zero marks. Phillips had the same number of tap outs and disposals, but took 4 marks. He impacted the game, where Kruezer does not and it is doubtful he ever will. We like him as a player, and he has a mountain of courage. But he cant do what a ruckman now has to deliver which is an impact on the game especially around the ground.
Good performances from phillips, Simpson yet again, docherty, and weitering who looked as natural up forward as any of our regular 'forwards'. He is just an excellent footballer. Kerridge worked hard all game, despite his disposal letting him down. Charlie curnow looked good in the second half. Rowe too performed well, and cripps and gibbs put in final quarters for the ages. Not sure what happened to them in the first half.
Next week will see some more players measured for next season. We are playing a long game.
For me the important take out from today's effort was that although we made plenty of skill errors and turnovers, some leading directly to WC goals, we are laying very strong foundations in terms of spirit and culture and the ability to dig in and never give up. This will be especially good when bringing in new talent in that they will have a strong established team spirit and game plan to become a part of. We have lacked this for many years now but today I saw that these things have certainly started to become established and will no doubt improve.
As others have said, 3 or 4 skilled players added to the group we saw today would make a very significant difference and the future is beginning to look a lot better.
If you think he'll be delisted then he'll probably win a Brownlow. Not that I'd expect you to understand but he drew the short straw big time as our only key forward at his age and experience, especially in a side that had 3.3 by half time. That was one tough gig. Those that know anything about football would get that, those that don't would simply write him off on one performance. Certainly looked better in defence in the 2nd half. We didn't lose anything and allowed Weitering to go forward. Jaksch will turn out ok but Weitering is another step again in ability.
I wouldn't think he'd be delisted. One he's contracted for next year, plus he's just 21. At pick 7 we'll persist a bit longer.
Just because you continue to write it, doesn't mean it's fact.
The club are filthy with some of the contracts and trades/drafts that they were saddled with.
Thankfully the new management will overhaul the list at first opportunity.
Some guys on large contracts with little output will get a big shock.
KJ struggled to break in to an ordinary side then put in a howler.
He may have a contract next year, but he's no certainty to stay. If he does, next year will be it.
Of course that's after his brownlow.
Kj is another transitional player.
He is neither good nor bad, and is a non factor for us moving forward.
The future lies elsewhere unless he wants to pull his finger out.
Just because you continue to write it, doesn't mean it's fact.
The club are filthy with some of the contracts and trades/drafts that they were saddled with.
Thankfully the new management will overhaul the list at first opportunity.
Some guys on large contracts with little output will get a big shock.
KJ struggled to break in to an ordinary side then put in a howler.
He may have a contract next year, but he's no certainty to stay. If he does, next year will be it.
Of course that's after his brownlow.
There are times on this site where it reminds me of some of the share / stock sites. People pump up a stock ( in this case player) for their own interest. The unabashed love and support for Kristian Jaksch (on multiple forums) by some individuals when he was playing like an uncommitted spud in the twos (has he seen many games live?) to his positive spin on his abismal performance yesterday (again did he see it live? I don't think the TV gives you a great perspective) tends to point to a vested interest. Jaksch will get another game or two, only to confirm what we already know: he needs to be delisted.
Happy with the lads young Jack is a player.
Jaksch can do better than that
Graham was really good
Buckley was amongst it and gave more than Daisy
Charlie like Jaksch perhaps needed that game to blow out some cobwebs maybe.
Play Weitering forward and bring McGlasker in the team. Weitering is an elite talent in the Buddy Franklin mould.
Happy with the lads young Jack is a player.
Jaksch can do better than that
Graham was really good
Buckley was amongst it and gave more than Daisy
Charlie like Jaksch perhaps needed that game to blow out some cobwebs maybe.
Play Weitering forward and bring McGlasker in the team. Weitering is an elite talent in the Buddy Franklin mould.
Whooo there Pinot, bit over the top.
Weitering while a excellent player is no Buddy Franklin, but we haven't seen Weiters unload 60m+ goals yet and I know he can from watching his junior days. But he is 3 yards slower than Franklin and at the moment Weitering is 1/2 the strength.
Not sure Jaksch can do better than that, he delivered exactly what I expected from his VFL form. He doesn't work hard enough and that means the ball has to find him, he doesn't find the ball. Excluding injuries to others expect him out next week, Casboult in and maybe Jones in. AFL coaches will forgive most things except lack of work rate / effort.
Buckley was OK, not better or worse than Daisy, and didn't work nearly as hard as Daisy does. He needs to spend more time getting into opponents and less time winding up team-mates. Personally, I thought the Buckley/Armfield mix didn't work, Armfield was wasted and never got enough time to make his work ethic deliver.
Agree on Charlie Curnow, he looked rusty but got better as the day rolled on, should have been awarded for a great mark in front of McGovern.
JGM is not ready.
The form guy I think they should be promoting is Gowers and letting White be the swing-man. Having Gowers surrounded by the in-form Docherty, Plowman and Simpson makes it an ideal time to be blooding the kid.
PS: Is it ironic that our best forward was one of our defenders, sort of tells you something! ;)
There are times on this site where it reminds me of some of the share / stock sites. People pump up a stock ( in this case player) for their own interest. The unabashed love and support for Kristian Jaksch (on multiple forums) by some individuals when he was playing like an uncommitted spud in the twos (has he seen many games live?) to his positive spin on his abismal performance yesterday (again did he see it live? I don't think the TV gives you a great perspective) tends to point to a vested interest. Jaksch will get another game or two, only to confirm what we already know: he needs to be delisted.
Some of it borders on fanatical.
He simply isn't very good.
There is no need to get personal, but some guys can't control there emotions.
He was so poor we couldn't score and as soon as Weitering moved forward, the gates opened up, because McGovern stopped taking intercept marks every time the ball went forward.
There are times on this site where it reminds me of some of the share / stock sites. People pump up a stock ( in this case player) for their own interest. The unabashed love and support for Kristian Jaksch (on multiple forums) by some individuals when he was playing like an uncommitted spud in the twos (has he seen many games live?) to his positive spin on his abismal performance yesterday (again did he see it live? I don't think the TV gives you a great perspective) tends to point to a vested interest. Jaksch will get another game or two, only to confirm what we already know: he needs to be delisted.
While I tend to agree, there is a certain amount of Jaksch bashing in response to his tyres being pumped up so hard.
I wouldn't write him off just yet, and the club obviously sees an upside in a tall who can potentially play forward and back. It will be interesting to see if he gets a run next week. I think that he should, but it won't surprise me if he makes way for Levi.
Apart from his performances last year, which I can't remember that much about, yesterday was the first time I'd seen Jaksch since then. Tbh, I didn't notice him that much and he certainly made little impact on the game. It will be very interesting to see whether he retains his spot this week as I would think that if the club sees a future for him with us then he would be given another game or two, especially in the light of our current ladder position. I would think that SOS knows him pretty well and is in an excellent position to judge his future potential.
Id give him an extra year to see if he makes it, simply because talented big guys don't grow on trees and we haven't got many at the club at the moment apart from the skinny kids.
Id give him an extra year to see if he makes it, simply because talented big guys don't grow on trees and we haven't got many at the club at the moment apart from the skinny kids.
He's a legitimate swingman. Needs to put some meat on his body but still could be anything.....you'd think there might be issues with him outside of footy?
He is the least of our problems but no one could call him LIST CLOGGER just yet.
Whilst I hold concerns for KJ and whether he will make it, I do respect the fact that he didn't get a full preseason in and was hospitilised at one stage. This is not to be underestimated. I'd be happy to give him games in a year of change and learning, I don't think one game in the 1's under a new regime is enough to warrant a career defining decision on a bloke. I reckon alot of it is between the ears for KJ, perhaps a good run in the seniors will lift his confidence and make him feel like he belongs.
Whether KJ should have been in the team last week is debatable, but I would be surprised if he didn't get a couple more games now.
I realise the MC have a plan for our forward line and it seems to involve only one big target, but I'd love to see 2 of either Cas, KJ or Jones playing at the same time.
It's almost a job that can't be done on it's own.
We need to find a Fev!
We need to find a Fev!
Would love a new Fev, Looking back on some highlights recently , the dominance displayed when he was on song was amazing. Not many "forwards" in the league these days would have that authority. Far cry from what we have been putting on the park lately. Loved watching the highlights, would be many from the current pack
Would love a new Fev, Looking back on some highlights recently , the dominance displayed when he was on song was amazing. Not many "forwards" in the league these days would have that authority. Far cry from what we have been putting on the park lately. Loved watching the highlights, would be many from the current pack
tHE BLOKE would kick 50+ a year still if playing for any team, even us.
He was/is that good. And largely injury free throughout his career....
Would be a hell of a come back now huh, imagine if he did & kicked 50...