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Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #195
Let's move on ladies....? We can only hope Daisy again becomes something or all of the player he once was....?

Onwards to the game Thursday night.....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #196
So the guy whose job isn't to assess medical reports and who isn't qualified to do so is the ideal person to make the call? One of the more out there ideas but would nicely explain this mess.

You don't seriously think the club doctor runs the joint do you?

So then, who else in our club senior administration has enough of the equivalent training in technical aspects of health and injury to make recommendations to the board based on assessment of the specialist reports.

You don't seriously think the board read those reports do you?

It would be very poor governance for the board not to require some form of involvement and feedback from McKay regarding any player welfare issues. Short of actually having a medical doctor on the board, he is the next best option.
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Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #197
You don't seriously think the club doctor runs the joint do you?

So then, who else in our club senior administration has enough of the equivalent training in technical aspects of health and injury to make recommendations to the board based on assessment of the specialist reports.

You don't seriously think the board read those reports do you?

It would be very poor governance for the board not to require some form of involvement and feedback from McKay regarding any player welfare issues. Short of actually having a medical doctor on the board, he is the next best option.

Not sure what you're arguing. That McKay actively took ownership of the risk that Thomas would never recover and now that it looks like he won't, he shouldn't be held accountable for taking the risk? And all that is fine because he's a vet and vets are better than doctors at assessing medical reports in humans?

Definitely sounds like good governance yo me.

Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #198
Not sure what you're arguing. That McKay actively took ownership of the risk that Thomas would never recover and now that it looks like he won't, he shouldn't be held accountable for taking the risk? And all that is fine because he's a vet and vets are better than doctors at assessing medical reports in humans?

Definitely sounds like good governance yo me.

Posters are calling for McKay's removal based on the assertions / hearsay that our club was told at the time Daisy could never recover from his ankle problems, and that McKay now has ultimate responsibility for Daisy's recruitment. I'm calling those assertions bullcrap!

Rather than offer evidence to support the hearsay posters try to defend their claims by loading derision on McKay's abilities, based on indirect assertions his training "As a Vet" has no value in assisting him to contribute to a decision based on expert medical reports.

These are old claims, that McKay's veterinary training means nothing, that we were told Daisy could not recover and that it's McKay's fault.

But all three assertions are bogus;

 - There is no evidence other than hearsay that we were told Daisy could not recover.
   (Are Daisy's current problems related to his ankle?)

 - McKay's training does mean he has significant skills to assess a players medical reports.
   (Assuming player / doctor confidentiality has allowed him to actually see them, they must be explicitly released by the player.)

 - McKay is not a loan gun in making such decisions.
   (Who else got a vote in this process and did McKay vote Yah or Nay?)
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Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #199
Question for LP...

What are McKays responsibilities at the club?

Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #200
Question for LP...

What are McKays responsibilities at the club?

Head of Football, pure and simple, responsibilities of the role vary from club to club!
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Reply #201
Head of Football, pure and simple, responsibilities of the role vary from club to club!

Malthouse reported directly to Swann so McKay didn't actually head up the entire football department during Malthouse's tenure.  Malthouse wasn't on the executive but McKay was.  However, it's certainly possible, and highly likely if my informants are correct, that Swann and Malthouse sidelined McKay.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #202
Malthouse reported directly to Swann so McKay didn't actually head up the entire football department during Malthouse's tenure.  Malthouse wasn't on the executive but McKay was.  However, it's certainly possible, and highly likely if my informants are correct, that Swann and Malthouse sidelined McKay.

It's unlikely we will ever know the truth behind what happened during the Malthouse reign.

McKay's title is Head of Football and as I said that means many things at many clubs. For example some are administrative like Noble at the Crows or Kerr at Essendon, while others are recruiting, coaching and development based roles like Balme at Collingwood or Hocking at Geelong. There is no one template that fits all. From what we see McKay talking about most frequently it looks like his role is more performance, medical and welfare based than coaching or development. That sort of fits because Carlton is unique in that it offers rehabilitation, assessment and biometric services to other clubs. If we wanted to find a role analogous to Balme or Hocking I would say Neil Craig fits that bill at the moment.
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Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #203
It's unlikely we will ever know the truth behind what happened during the Malthouse reign.

McKay's title is Head of Football and as I said that means many things at many clubs. For example some are administrative like Noble at the Crows or Kerr at Essendon, while others are recruiting, coaching and development based roles like Balme at Collingwood or Hocking at Geelong. There is no one template that fits all. From what we see McKay talking about most frequently it looks like his role is more performance, medical and welfare based than coaching or development. That sort of fits because Carlton is unique in that it offers rehabilitation, assessment and biometric services to other clubs. If we wanted to find a role analogous to Balme or Hocking I would say Neil Craig fits that bill at the moment.

McKay's role now reflects his title with Bolton and SOS as his direct reports.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #204
McKay's role now reflects his title with Bolton and SOS as his direct reports.

There was a radio interview earlier in the year with SOS in which he described a structure that more likely puts himself, McKay and Bolton all on the same level in terms of planning, football management and recruitment. Craig himself described his role as the person coaches, staff or players can approach when plans or strategies are in conflict. So it appears Craig is on the side acting as an independent arbiter to broker "people" solutions.

In effect we now have the exact opposite of the structure MM had in place, the Autocracy is dead it's now all about systems and structures!

This seems so much more sensible, using the resources fully rather than pigeon-holing individuals to perform at a fraction of their capacity. We know from the MM era that one person cannot successfully battle an army and win more often than they lose, it was MMs biggest failing to think his old autocratic ways could better a panel of opponents.
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Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #205
There was a radio interview earlier in the year with SOS in which he described a structure that more likely puts himself, McKay and Bolton all on the same level in terms of planning, football management and recruitment. Craig himself described his role as the person coaches, staff or players can approach when plans or strategies are in conflict. So it appears Craig is on the side acting as an independent arbiter to broker "people" solutions.

In effect we now have the exact opposite of the structure MM had in place, the Autocracy is dead it's now all about systems and structures!

This seems so much more sensible, using the resources fully rather than pigeon-holing individuals to perform at a fraction of their capacity.

One would hope that we have a more collegiate approach with everyone's contribution valued.  There's an impressive array of talent and experience in our footy department and we can only improve if it's allowed to blossom.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

 

Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #206
People whose contribution is not valued should not even be in the organisation.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #207
People whose contribution is not valued should not even be in the organisation.

I'd turn that around Cookie; people who don't value the contribution of others shouldn't be in the organisation.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #208
I'd turn that around Cookie; people who don't value the contribution of others shouldn't be in the organisation.

That too. Cuts both ways.  ;)
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension

Reply #209
Sack everyone!!!!  ;D