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Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #60 –
"Injuries are no excuse" is a saying we often hear or see written.
It's a nonsense football cliche...like "taking it one week at a time"

Injuries are an excuse.
There's probably a subtle difference between an 'excuse' and a 'reason' for a loss.
When a club, coach or supporter points to injury problems it's seen as an 'excuse'.
When an independent observer or journo points to injury problems it's a 'reason'

Excuses haven't saved a Carlton  coach in the last twenty years.
If we were 3-9 instead of 9-3 Voss would be under all sorts of scrutiny as would those that selected him.

Carlton injury list

Adam Cerra    Hamstring    2 weeks
 David Cuningham    Knee    TBC
 Ed Curnow    Calf    2-3 weeks
 Caleb Marchbank    Knee    6-8 weeks
 Oscar McDonald    Back    Season
 Mitch McGovern    Hamstring    4-6 weeks
 Luke Parks    Foot    7 weeks
 Marc Pittonet    Knee    4 weeks
 Jacob Weitering    Shoulder    4 weeks
 Zac Williams    Calf    6-8 weeks

Richmond injury list

 
 Tom Lynch    Hamstring    Test
 Dustin Martin    Illness    Test

If Martin and Lynch play they'll be at full strength

I personally can't see us winning this game....but have hope that sometimes when the odds are stacked you get a great response.
We may be in the contest for a while but in the end we'll probably be overwhelmed.
If we lose we'll probably see comments about how we aren't as good as some thought.
Players will be required to carry the weight of others as well as their own tasks...especially in the ruck and defence.
Players will no doubt be criticised for not being up to it, with little acknowledgement that the support normally available won't be there.

If we do win it will be an outstanding effort.




Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #61 –
There is one good side to an extended injury list - it gives second-string players the chance to take more responsibility and potentially take their game to a new level.  With the obvious proviso that enough games are won to stay in the hunt, towards the end of the season we may be in a far better position depth-wise than if we had the same 22 fit every week.

Sure, some may not be quite up to it, but others may find an extra gear that could be very handy in a clutch game.

The next three games will be tough, but if we can pinch one, we'll still be in good nick at 10-5.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #62 –
Durds confirmed in for Thursday.  Its a necessity really. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #63 –
Full strength Richmond team will trouble all teams. We all knew that sooner or later we would get found out down back if Weitering got injured after losing Jones and we have actually done better than I thought with Young performing above expectations and players like Newman also lifting their games so while it's been disappointing to have so many injuries we may benefit down the track with these other players enhancing their abilities and we should have a very decent backline with everyone fit.
If we lose to Richmond it's not a disaster, just more bad timing with us being down on troops and them having most of their regulars available. They had a few out in the first round and then lost Prestia early so its swings and roundabouts with injuries affecting outcomes.
Win and it's a real bonus, lose and it's no time to panic..

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #64 –
To be fair, most of our injured players are fringe players and/or those who can be covered quite well.  The two exceptions are Pittonet and Weitering.

Hopefully, the taller Durdin can play a role for us on Thursday and our mids and forwards will get the job done.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #65 –
Quote from: DJC on
To be fair, most of our injured players are fringe players and/or those who can be covered quite well.  The two exceptions are Pittonet and Weitering.

Hopefully, the taller Durdin can play a role for us on Thursday and our mids and forwards will get the job done.

Our 3 key defenders and number 1 ruck are missing from our rd 1 side that beat Richmond.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #67 –
If we win tomorrow night I'm starting to really believe.....

How can they have no injuries.....  I cant remember us having a full list to choose from,

I reckon we have them in midfield and they will struggle with our forward line.  however we will need all of the stars to line up.  At least Durds is over 190cm....  Cerra is a loss.

Bottom line is we have plenty of excuses if we get done  :))  :))  :))  :))

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #68 –
They were the one team who contained Harry and Charlie, that was with Balta playing forward. Think Tarrant beat McKay and Grimes beat Charlie.

In rd 1 it was our midfield that got them with DeKoning's fresh legs jumping all over ghem in ghe ruck in yhe last term. Unfortunately without Pittonet to wear them down it won't happen this time.

Tigers by 26 points.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #69 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Our 3 key defenders and number 1 ruck are missing from our rd 1 side that beat Richmond.

Yes, but Young is an upgrade on McDonald and McGovern has only played two games as a defender.  Both have been covered more than adequately.

Essentially, it's Setterfield, Cerra, McDonald, McGovern, Pittonet, Williamson, Weitering and Williams out and probably Young, Walsh, Newnes, Cottrell, S Durdin, Boyd, Plowman and a replacement for Cerra in.   It's Pitto and Weiters that we will miss on Thursday.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #70 –
Quote from: DJC on
Yes, but Young is an upgrade on McDonald and McGovern has only played two games as a defender.  Both have been covered more than adequately.

Essentially, it's Setterfield, Cerra, McDonald, McGovern, Pittonet, Williamson, Weitering and Williams out and probably Young, Walsh, Newnes, Cottrell, S Durdin, Boyd, Plowman and a replacement for Cerra in.   It's Pitto and Weiters that we will miss on Thursday.

Young was very good last week bouncing back from a rough game the week before.

Upgrade? Not sure. Even you rated McDonald and McGov after rd 1. Here are your thoughts.

Team: A for a consistent team performance and finally breaking the Tiger hoodoo 🙂

5 - Cripps
4 - Kennedy
3 - Cerra
2 - McGovern
1 - Saad

HMs to Hewett, Docherty, Pittonet, Durdin, Weitering and McDonald

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #71 –
I agree we need to play Durdin. Kemp was towelled up by the talls in the game against Essendon VFL. But I’m pessimistic. Durdin’s NM highlights all seemed to involve him being a loose interceptor. Weitering’s highlight reel would almost exclusively involve using his body to move big forwards out of position in order to take easy marks. Even Young’s highlight reel would now be similar. The fact he wasn’t played on the 199cm Stewart and was knocked out of a marking contest with him in their only one-on-one marking contest worries me.

His kicking is good which is a plus but they all seem to be well-flighted. I’m not sure I’ve seem him kick the sort of raking passes Weitering, Young and the Gov have produced. On the plus side, he can chip short passes accurately and kick long. But the short chips are much safer at the lower level. At AFL level, forwards and mids close in on chip kicks much more quickly.

Fingers crossed, though, that he’ll show those doubts are unfounded. It seemed he stayed with opponents on long leads last week, so maybe he has good mobility.

Presumably, Young will take Lynch if he plays and Durdin will have to pick up either Riewoldt or Balta. While he has a height advantage on both, Riewoldt uses his body well in marking contests and he’s smart when the ball hits the ground while Balta is heavier and very athletic. Playing man-on-man on either will be a huge challenge for him.

We know that the Tigers’ strategy is for the talls to make sure the ball goes to ground if they can’t mark it so their smalls can swarm. Bodying Jumping Jack to make sure he can’t launch is vital as he can make it difficult to intercept. And being able to block for Young and Doc to intercept is vital as well. Intercept marks will be like gold.

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #73 –
Young still needs to build up his strength as he gets pushed aside a bit and Lynch will be a test. End of the day, it's Young and Durdin as it stands...nothing we can do about it. Hopefullly win more than our share of the ball up the ground and in the middle and give Harry/Charlie and the smalls plenty of opportunities.

I'd prefer Stocker in this week as opposed to Boyd....his disposal isn't as good but bigger, stronger and doesn't mind the physical stuff.

Re: AFL Rd 14 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #74 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Young was very good last week bouncing back from a rough game the week before.

Upgrade? Not sure. Even you rated McDonald and McGov after rd 1. Here are your thoughts.

Team: A for a consistent team performance and finally breaking the Tiger hoodoo 🙂

5 - Cripps
4 - Kennedy
3 - Cerra
2 - McGovern
1 - Saad

HMs to Hewett, Docherty, Pittonet, Durdin, Weitering and McDonald



Yes, both McGovern and McDonald played well in Round 1.

The thing is that the better teams can cover injured players and I think that we have more than adequately covered those two. 

We have fudged a solution to Pitto’s absence that has worked in part and particularly when our opponent doesn’t have a strong ruck combination.

Weitering’s injury unsettled our defence against Collingwood and Young’s performance suffered as a consequence.  The addition of Marchbank and, presumably, Hamill’s tweaking of our defensive roles, resulted in a better performance against admittedly mediocre opponents last round.

Richmond’s forwards, with Lynch back and if Dusty plays, are a different kettle of potatoes and Young and Durdin will have their hands full.  They should break even, if we can limit Richmond’s forward 50 entries.

It will depend on whether our midfield can counter Richmond’s likely ruck dominance and whether we can control possession.  A positive for us is that Harry and Charlie are in much better form than they were in Round 1.

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball