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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #90 –
Hey guys off topic a bit, however thought i'd ask.

Did anyone get the Herald Sun this morning in Victoria?

My version has Thursdays night game listed but not last nights game.

Never seen that before in all of my years in reading the paper in the morning.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #91 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 on
Hey guys off topic a bit, however thought i'd ask.

Did anyone get the Herald Sun this morning in Victoria?

My version has Thursdays night game listed but not last nights game.

Never seen that before in all of my years in reading the paper in the morning.
You must have got a very early edition by error.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #92 –
It can happen when the facility knows there is going to be a disruption for whatever reason, they will bring the print run forward to make sure they can get enough copies out for subscribers.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #93 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Fantasia.
The less said about Fantasia the better, when BT starts groaning about his mate "Orrrrazzzzio" you know there is a problem!

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Pitto dominated early. Went off and the pies dominated. He came back in and we held our own again. Pies nullified his influence in the second half well. Tdk was just another body in the ruck. Thankfully he kicked a couple.
I reckon that broken nose care of Cripps took a bit more out of Pitto than we suspect, but we must not ignore the change in the umpiring of the ruck contest after the first few minutes of the first. It seems the AFL can now change rules dynamically during the game.

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Charlie did not play great, but he was probably up against his hardest opponent of the year who is more slouch, both physically and intellectually. Still kicked a couple.
Charlie is not in great form, but he is working at it, he always looks a bit laconic.

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Williams has a big target on his back and it was made bigger with the early frees against. They were a bit harsh and just about pushed him over the edge. His hammy will probably come as a relief for him.
Why he was singled out by the umpires and not a bunch of others is a mystery, it seems if you are a Filth KPD you can hold a Carlton KPF all you like, but if a Carlton MD holds a Filth SF and you are done!

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Young was not terrible for his standards, but is still not performing as well as we need him too. We better have an alternative option lined up in the off-season.
He's just not physical or reactive enough, spent a lot of time watching others run around him.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #94 –
Our whole side has lost confidence, it makes them hesitant, and when they hesitate they look slow and are under more pressure using the footy than they need to be.

The trick will be to go hard regardless of making mistakes, you have to forget the past and plough ahead knowing you can never be perfect.

For me this was the only disappointing aspect of Kemp being dropped, he made some early mistakes the past few weeks, but he at least persisted and come good later in games. He won't be perfect, nobody is perfect, and we can't expect all our defenders to be like Weitering, that is just unrealistic.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #95 –
Three really big problems......

(1) Absolutely no run out of the backline whatsoever - they're all too busy looking for sideways kicks so they don't have to make a big choice, and when they run out of ideas, it's a dump kick to Charlie/Harry/Tom on the wing.  So easy to defend against and turnover.  The inside 50's said it all last night ( 38 - 64 !).  We had far more of the ball, but far less of the play......

Answer : need Saad and McGovern badly.  

(2) Not only are our small forwards not getting the ball, they are physically useless - get bumped off the ball far too easily, whether it be in one-on-ones or marking contests.  I have lost count of the number of simple marks defending half-backs have taken against us this year because of lack of competition.  Matt Owies tries, but will never be a true marking option.  Starting half-forward line for most centre bounces last night was Durdin, Owies, Fantasia, with the three big guys all standing within 15m of each other near the goal square.  How does that work?

Answer : get a third mobile tall in there - I would suggest Brodie Kemp (has to be a better use of him than sending him down to the twos).  Need Martin back badly, but can't expect much out of him for another 3-4 weeks.  Start Charlie at 50 for some of the centre bounces to get a bigger body in there.

(3) Match Committee - WTF?   Carroll and Kemp get dropped so Durdin and Fantasia get a game, and Kennedy is sent to the Sub bench?  They say it about 'team balance', but Carroll or Kemp having a crack is far more balanced than two small forwards who have zero impact on the game.

Answer : pick the best 22 we can muster and go from there.   

This is starting to turn into a frustrating year.  We could easily lose the next 3-4 and be back in the chasing pack.

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #96 –
Quote from: LP on
Our whole side has lost confidence, it makes them hesitant, and when they hesitate they look slow and are under more pressure using the footy than they need to be.

Is it a loss of confidence, or more the effort needed as extra responsibilities are required due to the players missing?
It could well be one leading to the other.
Players may be required to perform their own roles but also to take on a few additional tasks that would normally be undertaken by those missing.
Indeed, if that extra work starts to take its toll and a player starts to make errors they would not normally make... it can certainly affect confidence.
If a player has confidence in those around him that will have a positive effect on his own performance.
I'm not sure that's the case at present.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #97 –
I tend to agree Lods. You wouldn't want players carrying that extra load over the long term. It's sustainable (more or less) over the short term. We were not playing great footy, yet scores were level with one minute to go, and it took some magic from a super player to seal the deal for them. I can understand why Voss gave the presser that he did.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #98 –
I think Voss might have been eating a bit of humble pie, we went into that game with a perceived advantage that the Filth turned into a weakness.

Out coached?
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #99 –
I think certain supporters, tipsters and media types have been drinking the kool aid. Daniel Hoyne has been saying there are concerns around our game the last few weeks. I think in that time we have been the fifth worst team defence.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #100 –
Quote from: LP on
I think Voss might have been eating a bit of humble pie, we went into that game with a perceived advantage that the Filth turned into a weakness.

Out coached?
I didn't get from his presser, quite the contrary. 
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
 

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #101 –
The persistent problem we have, and which seems to have no solution, is that too many of our good senior players are physically fragile and are unavailable for selection for long periods of time, making it impossible to have a cohesive unit.

On the rare occasions when most of them do play on the same day we are given a glimpse of what is possible.  Then the injuries start again.

Unfortunately it is possible that where we are now on the ladder is as good as it gets with this list.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #102 –
Quote from: Macca37 on
The persistent problem we have, and which seems to have no solution, is that too many of our good senior players are physically fragile and are unavailable for selection for long periods of time, making it impossible to have a cohesive unit.

On the rare occasions when most of them do play on the same day we are given a glimpse of what is possible.  Then the injuries start again.

Unfortunately it is possible that where we are now on the ladder is as good as it gets with this list.


Spot on Macca, as soon as we get some back, they drop like flies again, and by that I mean the usual suspects.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #103 –
Quote from: LP on
I think Voss might have been eating a bit of humble pie, we went into that game with a perceived advantage that the Filth turned into a weakness.

Out coached?

Out coached is interesting.   I cant really take it when you lose by a goal and the scores were level with 2 minutes left. 

Do you get outcoached in that circumstance?  Pues had extra rest too after anzac day.  The second quarter was our worst and where we let the game slip but our handballs and errant kicking had more to do with it than being out coached.

Irrespective of what we say we played last seasons premiers who have started hitting their stride recently.  It had danger game written all ober it from the get go. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #104 –
There are plenty of small problem
Charlie Curnows contested posession rate is over 60% for a key forward it needs to be under 50%. So he is working way too hard to win his posessions... thats down to various things - not giving him space to lead into and contesting ground balls which is not his job but has to go for them as small forwards are no where near it.
Lack of run and covering the ground. Filth always had 2-3 players tackling one Blue we did not reciprocate because we didnt have the team composition to cover the ground.