Richmond vs Carlton
Saturday 17 August 2013@13:45
MCG
No Judd, Tigers with 5 years of beltings in their memories and no doubt they have pay-back lined up. Maybe we can get a deadcat bounce after last night's humiliation but I fear the worst. Richmond by 10.
This could be the first of the Dark Lord's full blow outs. Brace yourselves.
Just like the players, I have lost interest and just don't care anymore :-[ :-[ :-[
Just like the players, I have lost interest and just don't care anymore :-[ :-[ :-[
That is really what it looked like, which really bothers me.
I don't expect us to win another game this season now, but I still have the urge to win. I just can't see how we can beat the Tiges on our present form.
I will be watching all the remaining games from the comfort of the couch courtesy of Foxtel, and making no optimistic predictions!
they are going to hurt us big time
this will be as much psychological for them as the 4 points
Just like the players, I have lost interest and just don't care anymore :-[ :-[ :-[
x 2 60+ point loss coming up. Haven't got a hope in hell beating any of the 3 side we are playing next. If MM thinks he has a massive task now fixing this list, wait another 3 rounds. These soulless, priceless, frauds will not even give a yelp.
Just like the players, I have lost interest and just don't care anymore :-[ :-[ :-[
x 2 60+ point loss coming up. Haven't got a hope in hell beating any of the 3 side we are playing next. If MM thinks he has a massive task now fixing this list, wait another 3 rounds. These soulless, priceless, frauds will not even give a yelp.
MM says the ladder is irrelevant, but wont play the kids - the reason for this
he and the stupid board thinks they can still make the 8
what he and them don't understand, is the kids will play out of their skins to get noticed and make a case,
I'd give 5 - 7 players 4 weeks off NOW to satisfy AFLPA and give them a pre season from hell early
Bought 8 premium tickets for this the night we beat North. :-*
Bought 8 premium tickets for this the night we beat North. :-*
great investment! (tigers fans will be all over them)
I will be watching all the remaining games from the comfort of the couch courtesy of Foxtel, and making no optimistic predictions!
Likewise. I was intending to go and upgrade but I aint spending any more hard earned on watching us. I will still go to the NBs games though, at least they seem fair dinkum... and the food is cheaper ;)
Team selections this week :
OUT : All 22 players
IN : All VFL players
I realise that this on the surface will seem like utter madness but what is the point in flogging a dead horse, most of the senior players are cooked right now.
There is a raft of players in the seconds who could do with the experience (Graham, Buckley, Menzel etc) and then there are those who we are wondering if they will ever make it and/or has time passed them by (Mitchell, McCarthy, Duigan, Laidler, Davies, Collins etc).
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by going "fully sick" at the selection table, let's use these last three rounds to our advantage especially as we are well out of finals contention now (and I don't want the charity finals entry if the Bombers get booted too).
So what if we tumble further down the ladder ?? We get a better draft pick(s) the lower we go plus we will not be under any expectation or scrutiny next year seeing as we finished down the bottom end.
Team selections this week :
OUT : All 22 players
IN : All VFL players
I realise that this on the surface will seem like utter madness but what is the point in flogging a dead horse, most of the senior players are cooked right now.
There is a raft of players in the seconds who could do with the experience (Graham, Buckley, Menzel etc) and then there are those who we are wondering if they will ever make it and/or has time passed them by (Mitchell, McCarthy, Duigan, Laidler, Davies, Collins etc).
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by going "fully sick" at the selection table, let's use these last three rounds to our advantage especially as we are well out of finals contention now (and I don't want the charity finals entry if the Bombers get booted too).
So what if we tumble further down the ladder ?? We get a better draft pick(s) the lower we go plus we will not be under any expectation or scrutiny next year seeing as we finished down the bottom end.
Yep.
The time has come.
MM has shown he's incapable of getting anymore out of this group, time to get a look at whats next and show off some of those wares we may have to move on.
Team selections this week :
OUT : All 22 players
IN : All VFL players
I realise that this on the surface will seem like utter madness but what is the point in flogging a dead horse, most of the senior players are cooked right now.
There is a raft of players in the seconds who could do with the experience (Graham, Buckley, Menzel etc) and then there are those who we are wondering if they will ever make it and/or has time passed them by (Mitchell, McCarthy, Duigan, Laidler, Davies, Collins etc).
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by going "fully sick" at the selection table, let's use these last three rounds to our advantage especially as we are well out of finals contention now (and I don't want the charity finals entry if the Bombers get booted too).
So what if we tumble further down the ladder ?? We get a better draft pick(s) the lower we go plus we will not be under any expectation or scrutiny next year seeing as we finished down the bottom end.
I agree with your theory, just not the severity
in order to assess your list, you'd have to give them a go on the big stage
Will Robbo be back?
Imagine a side without Robbo and Judd. Add Scotland and there is the heart of the side completely gone. It would be a frightful smashing.
Will Robbo be back?
Imagine a side without Robbo and Judd. Add Scotland and there is the heart of the side completely gone. It would be a frightful smashing.
Kreuzer is preatty heartful
We're going to cop one horrible flogging in the Press. Already hearing it now. Watch this mob play to their ability for the next two weeks, win then when they need to beat port in the last match they'll play like insipid flogs again. That's how this side works. Got the ability to beat most sides, just not the attitude or "want" and workrate.
Team selections this week :
OUT : All 22 players
IN : All VFL players
I realise that this on the surface will seem like utter madness but what is the point in flogging a dead horse, most of the senior players are cooked right now.
There is a raft of players in the seconds who could do with the experience (Graham, Buckley, Menzel etc) and then there are those who we are wondering if they will ever make it and/or has time passed them by (Mitchell, McCarthy, Duigan, Laidler, Davies, Collins etc).
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by going "fully sick" at the selection table, let's use these last three rounds to our advantage especially as we are well out of finals contention now (and I don't want the charity finals entry if the Bombers get booted too).
So what if we tumble further down the ladder ?? We get a better draft pick(s) the lower we go plus we will not be under any expectation or scrutiny next year seeing as we finished down the bottom end.
SOLD, do it.
We're going to cop one horrible flogging in the Press. Already hearing it now. Watch this mob play to their ability for the next two weeks, win then when they need to beat port in the last match they'll play like insipid flogs again. That's how this side works. Got the ability to beat most sides, just not the attitude or "want" and workrate.
Good news IaJ, CheatFC lost so they should take a bit of press off us ;D
Can't see us getting close to them this week, we are tanking.
We're going to cop one horrible flogging in the Press. Already hearing it now. Watch this mob play to their ability for the next two weeks, win then when they need to beat port in the last match they'll play like insipid flogs again. That's how this side works. Got the ability to beat most sides, just not the attitude or "want" and workrate.
Good news IaJ, CheatFC lost so they should take a bit of press off us ;D
Can't see us getting close to them this week, we are tanking.
That's the next thing we'll be accused of in the media for sure Goat!
I couldn't care less about how horrible the flogging is. In fact the worse the better. Hopefully it will make our recruiters, Mick, the board and anyone else who has a say, show no mercy to the blokes that I and and others have been saying all year need to be culled.
If we win, then the rose coloured glasses come on again, and then they start to think, well, he's not THAT bad, and he might be better next year, and blokes that should go, are kept to repeat the cr@p that they foisted upon us again and again.
Under normal circumstances, I'd love to knock off Richmond. But sometimes the greater good takes precedence.
It was about 2 years ago exactly that we thumped them by 100 plus. I think they're about to get their revenge. :(
Team selections this week :
OUT : All 22 players
IN : All VFL players
I realise that this on the surface will seem like utter madness but what is the point in flogging a dead horse, most of the senior players are cooked right now.
There is a raft of players in the seconds who could do with the experience (Graham, Buckley, Menzel etc) and then there are those who we are wondering if they will ever make it and/or has time passed them by (Mitchell, McCarthy, Duigan, Laidler, Davies, Collins etc).
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain by going "fully sick" at the selection table, let's use these last three rounds to our advantage especially as we are well out of finals contention now (and I don't want the charity finals entry if the Bombers get booted too).
So what if we tumble further down the ladder ?? We get a better draft pick(s) the lower we go plus we will not be under any expectation or scrutiny next year seeing as we finished down the bottom end.
I agree with your theory, just not the severity
in order to assess your list, you'd have to give them a go on the big stage
I completely understand where you are coming from. More than likely with a few injuries and the need to put a rocket up some players, there may be as many as 8 changes this week though. Anything that gives some of the seconds guys a taste of senior footy over the next three weeks will do me.
Nothing to be gained by gifting games to players who aren't ready so the 13 players who could be considered for the coming week are:
Kane Lucas - fortunate to miss the debacle
Mitch Robinson - fortunate to miss the debacle
Matthew Kreuzer - fortunate to miss the debacle
Andrew McInnes - fortunate to miss the debacle
Nick Graham - has done enough to earn a chance
Levi Casboult - has done enough to earn another chance - seems to be over his kicking yips
Tom Bell - has done enough to earn another chance
Nick Duigan - not a world beater but will have a go
Jeremy Laidler - not a world beater but will have a go
Aaron Joseph - not a world beater but will have a go
Marcus Davies - not a world beater but will have a go
David Ellard - not sure if he has the necessary fitness levels - but would be in best 22
Rhys O’Keeffe - not sure if he has the necessary fitness levels
So who might be or deserves to be left out:
Judd, Garlett and Watson are injured
Waite, Murphy and Jamison played as though they were injured
Yarran should have been on his last chance, which he utterly failed
Who else?
I couldn't care less about how horrible the flogging is. In fact the worse the better. Hopefully it will make our recruiters, Mick, the board and anyone else who has a say, show no mercy to the blokes that I and and others have been saying all year need to be culled.
If we win, then the rose coloured glasses come on again, and then they start to think, well, he's not THAT bad, and he might be better next year, and blokes that should go, are kept to repeat the cr@p that they foisted upon us again and again.
Under normal circumstances, I'd love to knock off Richmond. But sometimes the greater good takes precedence.
Are you a Dees supporter?
We may get flogged but I don't know any Carlton member who will take joy out of it.
I'm going on Saturday unless it's raining, in which case I'll watch it on the telly, I refuse to get wet and get beaten by Richmond on the same day.
Seriously there's a lot of 2006 about the CFC these days, you go to the game hopeful but not confident.
We've slipped back among the ruck, better that the hopeless teams but on a par with another four who won't play finals, it's very depressing after the last decade.
I just hope we don't get belted by more than 10 goals which will completely kill the side spirits. Its bad enough Port are hard to pull out of the top 8, but West Coast, North and Adelaide snapping at our heels to add pressure to our club.
No Judd. Wow its been a bad week in footy. Can it get any worse. Oops I forgot we play Essendon and Port still. Its lucky I'm not an emotional f@ck or I would probably go right off. We don't have a choice but play Graham if he is up to it to see what he is worth. ROK should get a run too and bring Robinson in along with Levi.
I just hope we don't get belted by more than 10 goals which will completely kill the side spirits. Its bad enough Port are hard to pull out of the top 8, but West Coast, North and Adelaide snapping at our heels to add pressure to our club.
No Judd. Wow its been a bad week in footy. Can it get any worse. Oops I forgot we play Essendon and Port still. Its lucky I'm not an emotional f@ck or I would probably go right off. We don't have a choice but play Graham if he is up to it to see what he is worth. ROK should get a run too and bring Robinson in along with Levi.
I'm not sure that we can afford to play Graham and McLean in the same midfield as it will be rather slow. Levi, McInnes, Bell, Robbo and Graham (for McLean) should all come in if fit.
Why don't we try Cachia in defence, to release Gibbs into the middle?
Nothing to be gained by gifting games to players who aren't ready so the 13 players who could be considered for the coming week are:
Kane Lucas - fortunate to miss the debacle
Mitch Robinson - fortunate to miss the debacle
Matthew Kreuzer - fortunate to miss the debacle
Andrew McInnes - fortunate to miss the debacle
Nick Graham - has done enough to earn a chance
Levi Casboult - has done enough to earn another chance - seems to be over his kicking yips
Tom Bell - has done enough to earn another chance
Nick Duigan - not a world beater but will have a go
Jeremy Laidler - not a world beater but will have a go
Aaron Joseph - not a world beater but will have a go
Marcus Davies - not a world beater but will have a go
David Ellard - not sure if he has the necessary fitness levels - but would be in best 22
Rhys O’Keeffe - not sure if he has the necessary fitness levels
So who might be or deserves to be left out:
Judd, Garlett and Watson are injured
Waite, Murphy and Jamison played as though they were injured
Yarran should have been on his last chance, which he utterly failed
Who else?
No argument here. Love the way Davey Ellard comes in after a long time out with injury but you wouldn't know it - just picked up from where he left off.
I wonder if you were as bemused as I was to see Yarran in our best players against the Bulldogs?
We've got to get some serious ball-winning capability into our midfield for this one. I was at both the Freo and Dogs games and this is where both of those teams absolutely smashed us into oblivion. Both teams were into the clearances and contested ball situations like rabid dogs to win the ball and then dispose with precision while we generally looked on like scared rabbits.
If we could do just that many of our other problems maybe would not look so bad. Do we have players capable of doing this though - we haven't seen many recently that's for sure. >:(
We've got to get some serious ball-winning capability into our midfield for this one. I was at both the Freo and Dogs games and this is where both of those teams absolutely smashed us into oblivion. Both teams were into the clearances and contested ball situations like rabid dogs to win the ball and then dispose with precision while we generally looked on like scared rabbits.
If we could do just that many of our other problems maybe would not look so bad. Do we have players capable of doing this though - we haven't seen many recently that's for sure. >:(
Irony that what was once our only strength (Midfield) is now our major achilles heal.
I'm going on Saturday unless it's raining, in which case I'll watch it on the telly, I refuse to get wet and get beaten by Richmond on the same day.
Seriously there's a lot of 2006 about the CFC these days, you go to the game hopeful but not confident.
We've slipped back among the ruck, better that the hopeless teams but on a par with another four who won't play finals, it's very depressing after the last decade.
QFT. I'll be watching from the comfort of my sofa.
If we get flogged in the next three games we'll find it impossible to attract players during the trade period and we'll probably see a couple wanting to leave.
A while back I booked flights and reserve ticket upgrades to bring my son over for this game - his first chance to see the (once) mighty CFC at the MCG.
As if our putrid form and the likely chance of a loss to the Tiges isn't bad enough, my sons favourite players are: Juddy (gawn), Garlett (probably out) and Murphy (in career worst form). This could get ugly and may cost CFC a future life-time member... kids are easily scarred. Hell I'm feeling pretty scarred. We better put in a better effort than we did vs Doggies.
Blues by 5pts (tell him he's dreaming).
Zed I'm taking my 2 and a half year old son to the game this Saturday too! Why you ask? Because I know he wont last more than two quarters before losing it and that's pretty much where Carlton stand as well! I can leave at halftime without concern, and break my son in for half a game of football.
Nothing surer than a win this week. They got their bogey win against us they have made finals and dont need the win. We now have nothing to play for on saturday, and the tigers are going to crow early about their finals fortunes. It all adds up to us winning this week. No Chris Judd. I can see the Tiggies getting ahead of themselves, and failing to rise to the occasion. They are a bit mind stuffed when they face us, and if we get the jump on them early will go into their shells and fail to respond.
Wow I see our only chance of winning against the scum next week and that would be by default. As much as we'd like to beleive it, the Tigers are not like us, they will win the games they're supposed to (and a few they're not). I would've had them as a bigger chance to lose against Brisbane who I have no doubt would beat us this week if they played us.
Zed I'm taking my 2 and a half year old son to the game this Saturday too! Why you ask? Because I know he wont last more than two quarters before losing it and that's pretty much where Carlton stand as well! I can leave at halftime without concern, and break my son in for half a game of football.
Might end up being like that faithful game in early 2005 when they were 13 goals up at half time lol
I couldn't care less about how horrible the flogging is. In fact the worse the better. Hopefully it will make our recruiters, Mick, the board and anyone else who has a say, show no mercy to the blokes that I and and others have been saying all year need to be culled.
If we win, then the rose coloured glasses come on again, and then they start to think, well, he's not THAT bad, and he might be better next year, and blokes that should go, are kept to repeat the cr@p that they foisted upon us again and again.
Under normal circumstances, I'd love to knock off Richmond. But sometimes the greater good takes precedence.
Are you a Dees supporter?
We may get flogged but I don't know any Carlton member who will take joy out of it.
I don't know what your last line about being a Dees supporter, means. My wife is a Dees supporter, and she gets no pleasure out of seeing her team get flogged.
Nowhere did I say that a flogging would give me pleasure. What I said was, that I didn't care how bad the flogging was, because the greater good comes before an honourable loss, or even a win.
We are not good enough at this point in time, to mix it with the best. We lack so many key position players that it's not funny. And we have a dysfunctional mid-field.
If we were to win our last three because blokes who haven't put in all year, decided to do it now, it would frankly make me sick. It would possibly cloud the judgement of those in charge, and may get them to change their minds about getting rid of certain players that need to go that haven't put in all year, and now, all of a sudden with their career on the line, play like there is no tomorrow.
And there must be no tomorrow for them.
So, no joy in any flogging, be it Richmond or any other team. I am just a practical, 60 year long, Carlton Supporter, who, unlike others, does not live in a blinkered biased dream world, and believes that if we don't take a scalpel to the place, you can have Mick, Paul Roos, Leigh Mathews and even a resurrected Jock Mchale coaching us. It won't help.
There is no way we can win this week. We are simply not committed to victory. Casboult to come in, along with Bell, Robertson Graham & Buckley. Watson, Judd & Gartlett out injured along with Yarran and Cachia. Cachia has been good but he is running out of energy. Rowe stays in as a replacement for Watson down back.
Someone today asked me if I'd want to play finals via the back-door i.e. 9th, even though we are likely to get flogged.
My answer was an unequivocal yes. The thought of playing Collingwood or Richmond in a final is mouth watering even if we do get beaten.
Finals are finals and given how starved we have been over the last 18 years I'll take them any way possible.
As blindingly optomistic or idiotic this may sound, our destiny still rests with us and until we are totally and mathematically out of the frame, I'll keep hoping we can put something together.
I'm hoping the injection of some youth may give us some sort of pulse. Richmond are beatable and have weaknesses. I hope we show some serious balls.
I couldn't care less about how horrible the flogging is. In fact the worse the better. Hopefully it will make our recruiters, Mick, the board and anyone else who has a say, show no mercy to the blokes that I and and others have been saying all year need to be culled.
If we win, then the rose coloured glasses come on again, and then they start to think, well, he's not THAT bad, and he might be better next year, and blokes that should go, are kept to repeat the cr@p that they foisted upon us again and again.
Under normal circumstances, I'd love to knock off Richmond. But sometimes the greater good takes precedence.
Are you a Dees supporter?
We may get flogged but I don't know any Carlton member who will take joy out of it.
I don't know what your last line about being a Dees supporter, means. My wife is a Dees supporter, and she gets no pleasure out of seeing her team get flogged.
Nowhere did I say that a flogging would give me pleasure. What I said was, that I didn't care how bad the flogging was, because the greater good comes before an honourable loss, or even a win.
We are not good enough at this point in time, to mix it with the best. We lack so many key position players that it's not funny. And we have a dysfunctional mid-field.
If we were to win our last three because blokes who haven't put in all year, decided to do it now, it would frankly make me sick. It would possibly cloud the judgement of those in charge, and may get them to change their minds about getting rid of certain players that need to go that haven't put in all year, and now, all of a sudden with their career on the line, play like there is no tomorrow.
And there must be no tomorrow for them.
So, no joy in any flogging, be it Richmond or any other team. I am just a practical, 60 year long, Carlton Supporter, who, unlike others, does not live in a blinkered biased dream world, and believes that if we don't take a scalpel to the place, you can have Mick, Paul Roos, Leigh Mathews and even a resurrected Jock Mchale coaching us. It won't help.
In fact the worse the better.
Said to me that that you'd
like to see a massive flogging, but I see where you're coming from now.
The reference to the Dees is that Schwarz (and many other Dee supporters), were looking forward to a massive flogging so that Neeld got sacked. Some pretty disgraceful comments at the time.
I think you will see the change you are seeking without the need of further humiliation to this group of players & MC. Mick & co have seen enough and I'm shore they already know what changes will be made at years end.
I think Richmond will go into reservation mode now they know they are playing finals. They have missed out for too long now the thought of missing through injury will start to creep in to their mind.
I see some drastic changes as MM gives the impression enough is enough now and will start rolling the players in to get whatever he can till the end of the season.
Im saying a win, close with Richmond coming home in flurry.
Someone today asked me if I'd want to play finals via the back-door i.e. 9th, even though we are likely to get flogged.
My answer was an unequivocal yes. The thought of playing Collingwood or Richmond in a final is mouth watering even if we do get beaten.
Finals are finals and given how starved we have been over the last 18 years I'll take them any way possible.
As blindingly optomistic or idiotic this may sound, our destiny still rests with us and until we are totally and mathematically out of the frame, I'll keep hoping we can put something together.
I'm hoping the injection of some youth may give us some sort of pulse. Richmond are beatable and have weaknesses. I hope we show some serious balls.
It's funny isn't it.
We are still a chance to get into finals, as unlikely as that seems. Everyone is too busy throwing in the towell to care.
Going by form, logic, current players available for both sides and the misalignment of the planets at present, there is nothing that suggests we even have a sniff in this game.
So going by that, we will win by 2 goals. :o
Nothing surer than a win this week. They got their bogey win against us they have made finals and dont need the win. We now have nothing to play for on saturday, and the tigers are going to crow early about their finals fortunes. It all adds up to us winning this week. No Chris Judd. I can see the Tiggies getting ahead of themselves, and failing to rise to the occasion. They are a bit mind stuffed when they face us, and if we get the jump on them early will go into their shells and fail to respond.
Thry me old mate, you are unfortunately describing what Carlton would do (ie steal defeat from the jaws of victory). Richmond will put us to the sword and will well.
We're still a chance this week, it is Richmond after all. ;D
If we put 22 blokes on the paddock this Saturday, who are all on the same page and who have all bought into the MM/coaching approach/instruction then I have no doubt we will give a good account of ourselves.
Against the Puppies it was obvious that some girls were just not on the same page and may have even been 'rebelling'. MM commented after the game that we had a strategy for the centre bounce and the players did NOT adhere to the plan - that should incur coaching wrath. And ours.
If we put 22 blokes on the paddock this Saturday, who are all on the same page and who have all bought into the MM/coaching approach/instruction then I have no doubt we will give a good account of ourselves.
Against the Puppies it was obvious that some girls were just not on the same page and may have even been 'rebelling'. MM commented after the game that we had a strategy for the centre bounce and the players did NOT adhere to the plan - that should incur coaching wrath. And ours.
Agree however I have had a gutful of insipidness and if the coach makes a statement for the last 3 games and at the end of the year, I will be happy. Its really simple, get the whole group in line and tell em step fwd if they buy in or step back if you don't. Play the ones who step fwd and fark the rest off no matter who they are or how many there are. The time has come for honesty.
Nothing surer than a win this week. They got their bogey win against us they have made finals and dont need the win. We now have nothing to play for on saturday, and the tigers are going to crow early about their finals fortunes. It all adds up to us winning this week. No Chris Judd. I can see the Tiggies getting ahead of themselves, and failing to rise to the occasion. They are a bit mind stuffed when they face us, and if we get the jump on them early will go into their shells and fail to respond.
Thry me old mate, you are unfortunately describing what Carlton would do (ie steal defeat from the jaws of victory). Richmond will put us to the sword and will well.
Yep. Looking squarely at us, and us alone we will win this game. We are so predictable in when we pick and choose which games we rock up to play its not funny. We still have the wood on these guys. One coughing and spluttering almost win is not the panacea to a decade of dishing out losses to these bozos.
I've really started to hope now that O'Keefe gets a gig this week from all of the positive reports on him starting to appear!
I've really started to hope now that O'Keefe gets a gig this week from all of the positive reports on him starting to appear!
I am happy to be one of the positive reporters. The bloke can play... really play. But his body has let him down, badly.
To re-iterate... he is strong, has a footy brain, excellent disposal, great tackler, big/accurate left foot, has big voice on the field (unlike some of our introverted dudes), obviously liked by team mates and has a dash of measured mongrel. To repeat... but his body has let him down.
Sub or one more week in the Magoos.
I've really started to hope now that O'Keefe gets a gig this week from all of the positive reports on him starting to appear!
I am happy to be one of the positive reporters. The bloke can play... really play. But his body has let him down, badly.
To re-iterate... he is strong, has a footy brain, excellent disposal, great tackler, big/accurate left foot, has big voice on the field (unlike some of our introverted dudes), obviously liked by team mates and has a dash of measured mongrel. To repeat... but his body has let him down.
Sub or one more week in the Magoos.
Need to play him....his career is on life support and he will be cut IMO if he doesnt show something on the big stage as he is one of the easier targets to get rid off with little explanation required.
I've really started to hope now that O'Keefe gets a gig this week from all of the positive reports on him starting to appear!
I am happy to be one of the positive reporters. The bloke can play... really play. But his body has let him down, badly.
To re-iterate... he is strong, has a footy brain, excellent disposal, great tackler, big/accurate left foot, has big voice on the field (unlike some of our introverted dudes), obviously liked by team mates and has a dash of measured mongrel. To repeat... but his body has let him down.
Sub or one more week in the Magoos.
Need to play him....his career is on life support and he will be cut IMO if he doesnt show something on the big stage as he is one of the easier targets to get rid off with little explanation required.
I think he's safe.
He hasn't been injured this year, he's had an infection in a previous injury that needed more surgery.
There's 10 guys WE KNOW NOW who will never make it, no need to cut a guy who, in all likelihood, will make it if he can get on the track.
Stuff of fantasies. Nothing surer than Richmond giving us an old fashion belting.
Nothing surer than a win this week. They got their bogey win against us they have made finals and dont need the win. We now have nothing to play for on saturday, and the tigers are going to crow early about their finals fortunes. It all adds up to us winning this week. No Chris Judd. I can see the Tiggies getting ahead of themselves, and failing to rise to the occasion. They are a bit mind stuffed when they face us, and if we get the jump on them early will go into their shells and fail to respond.
Thry me old mate, you are unfortunately describing what Carlton would do (ie steal defeat from the jaws of victory). Richmond will put us to the sword and will well.
Yep. Looking squarely at us, and us alone we will win this game. We are so predictable in when we pick and choose which games we rock up to play its not funny. We still have the wood on these guys. One coughing and spluttering almost win is not the panacea to a decade of dishing out losses to these bozos.
Yes we are predictable and we can't beat sides above us at all and lets face it Richmond are THAT MUCH better than us and have been building for quite some time. We can't even beat the Bulldogs when we have plenty to play for and they have nothing at all to play for. We USED to have it over them, when we were a well coached outfit. We have zero chance this weekend, I'm predicting a 10 goal plus hiding.
Nothing surer than a win this week. They got their bogey win against us they have made finals and dont need the win. We now have nothing to play for on saturday, and the tigers are going to crow early about their finals fortunes. It all adds up to us winning this week. No Chris Judd. I can see the Tiggies getting ahead of themselves, and failing to rise to the occasion. They are a bit mind stuffed when they face us, and if we get the jump on them early will go into their shells and fail to respond.
Thry me old mate, you are unfortunately describing what Carlton would do (ie steal defeat from the jaws of victory). Richmond will put us to the sword and will well.
Yep. Looking squarely at us, and us alone we will win this game. We are so predictable in when we pick and choose which games we rock up to play its not funny. We still have the wood on these guys. One coughing and spluttering almost win is not the panacea to a decade of dishing out losses to these bozos.
Yes we are predictable and we can't beat sides above us at all and lets face it Richmond are THAT MUCH better than us and have been building for quite some time. We can't even beat the Bulldogs when we have plenty to play for and they have nothing at all to play for. We USED to have it over them, when we were a well coached outfit. We have zero chance this weekend, I'm predicting a 10 goal plus hiding.
Im unwaivering in this, we will win on Saturday. KB stated earlier on SEN that the Tigers would win by 10 goals.
;D
I just hope we don't get belted by more than 10 goals which will completely kill the side spirits. Its bad enough Port are hard to pull out of the top 8, but West Coast, North and Adelaide snapping at our heels to add pressure to our club.
No Judd. Wow its been a bad week in footy. Can it get any worse. Oops I forgot we play Essendon and Port still. Its lucky I'm not an emotional f@ck or I would probably go right off. We don't have a choice but play Graham if he is up to it to see what he is worth. ROK should get a run too and bring Robinson in along with Levi.
I'm not sure that we can afford to play Graham and McLean in the same midfield as it will be rather slow. Levi, McInnes, Bell, Robbo and Graham (for McLean) should all come in if fit.
Why don't we try Cachia in defence, to release Gibbs into the middle?
You got some good points in there. I'm happy to play Graham and McLean though. No more about thinking about footy in theories, if they can play football well, get the friggen pill it can only be good for the side. Can't win if you don't get the thing. Have to be a recent improvement on previous outings. Especially if they have that want, attitude and desire, ingredients we miss more than anything.
I wonder if you were as bemused as I was to see Yarran in our best players against the Bulldogs?
You would have to be kidding - maybe the writer allowed his labrador to type the report 8)
I wonder if you were as bemused as I was to see Yarran in our best players against the Bulldogs?
You would have to be kidding - maybe the writer allowed his labrador to type the report 8)
Yes and I could have sworn I was at Etihad stadium watching Carlton on Saturday? I must have been at another game - old age catching up!
Nothing surer than a win this week. They got their bogey win against us they have made finals and dont need the win. We now have nothing to play for on saturday, and the tigers are going to crow early about their finals fortunes. It all adds up to us winning this week. No Chris Judd. I can see the Tiggies getting ahead of themselves, and failing to rise to the occasion. They are a bit mind stuffed when they face us, and if we get the jump on them early will go into their shells and fail to respond.
Thry me old mate, you are unfortunately describing what Carlton would do (ie steal defeat from the jaws of victory). Richmond will put us to the sword and will well.
Yep. Looking squarely at us, and us alone we will win this game. We are so predictable in when we pick and choose which games we rock up to play its not funny. We still have the wood on these guys. One coughing and spluttering almost win is not the panacea to a decade of dishing out losses to these bozos.
Yes we are predictable and we can't beat sides above us at all and lets face it Richmond are THAT MUCH better than us and have been building for quite some time. We can't even beat the Bulldogs when we have plenty to play for and they have nothing at all to play for. We USED to have it over them, when we were a well coached outfit. We have zero chance this weekend, I'm predicting a 10 goal plus hiding.
Im unwaivering in this, we will win on Saturday. KB stated earlier on SEN that the Tigers would win by 10 goals.
;D
and they will
If Bartlett picks Richmond to win by 10 goals then we really do have a chance to upset them. This guy is a moron.
I wouldn't have given us a chance until this.
If Bartlett picks Richmond to win by 10 goals then we really do have a chance to upset them. This guy is a moron.
I wouldn't have given us a chance until this.
Agree...now KB has spoken we are back in the game...
If Bartlett picks Richmond to win by 10 goals then we really do have a chance to upset them. This guy is a moron.
I wouldn't have given us a chance until this.
Agree...now KB has spoken we are back in the game...
He picks them by 10 goals every week, a more irrelevant figure in AFL or AFL media you will not find.
I heard KB on that issue yesterday while I was out in the car. Some peanut Tigers supporter rang in a said "Tigers by 10 goals" and KB said he thought that was being too conservative! Go Blues! Stick it right up 'em!
Anyone who thinks we are no chance:
Congratulations to Zach Tuohy on his 50 games. Someone's family is down from Ireland for this one. Might get a bit more spirit out of the lads this week!
>:D
I am growing more and more confident about this one.
Never have I been less confident of winning a game all year. Let me stuff my tipping up by tipping the Tigers by 30 plus points :(
If Bartlett picks Richmond to win by 10 goals then we really do have a chance to upset them. This guy is a moron.
I wouldn't have given us a chance until this.
I laugh every time he gets into Carlton as supporters ring him up and go mental which is good for his show. He's no moron in fact quite the opposite he's happy to take the hit if it means he keeps his job by getting reactions to his comments.
If Bartlett picks Richmond to win by 10 goals then we really do have a chance to upset them. This guy is a moron.
I wouldn't have given us a chance until this.
I laugh every time he gets into Carlton as supporters ring him up and go mental which is good for his show. He's no moron in fact quite the opposite he's happy to take the hit if it means he keeps his job by getting reactions to his comments.
I actually like him, he's only taking the pi55 after all. I really enjoy the first hour of his show as well, once he introduces the golf though i'm outta there!
Anyone who thinks we are no chance:
Congratulations to Zach Tuohy on his 50 games. Someone's family is down from Ireland for this one. Might get a bit more spirit out of the lads this week!
>:D
I am growing more and more confident about this one.
Maybe I don't quite share you confidence Thry but I sure am sharing your hopes! Go Blues!
Graham and bell ins great inns and excited about that..
We win
Graham and bell ins
I guess you'd say that's ringing in the changes. ;)
Ron Alexander got any kids that can play?
Sensible ins. Better balanced looking side this week, some grunt as well. I am not confident of winning (never am with this mob) but with Bell, Casboult and Mitch at least they should have a crack... and a few tigers may be looking for fast moving heavy objects in their peripheral vision.
5 good, logical inclusions.
Graham sub.
Let Dinger off the leash.
Sensible ins. Better balanced looking side this week, some grunt as well. I am not confident of winning (never am with this mob) but with Bell, Casboult and Mitch at least they should have a crack... and a few tigers may be looking for fast moving heavy objects in their peripheral vision.
You're right - better balance. Those three bring attitude and character.... and hurt. Feeling better about Saturday now.
Pretty much as expected or suggested really! Gotta try a few things now. Be interesting to see how they go - may just manage an upset. :-\
In case others haven't seen them...
IN: Bell, Casboult, Graham, McInness, Robinson
OUT: Cachia, Rowe, Garlett (inj), Watson (inj), Judd (inj)
5 good, logical inclusions.
Graham sub.
Let Dinger off the leash.
I agree re Dinger but give Graham a full game FFS. Really looking forward to seeing this kid play we haven't had an exciting debutante for quite some time.
5 good, logical inclusions.
Graham sub.
Let Dinger off the leash.
I agree re Dinger but give Graham a full game FFS. Really looking forward to seeing this kid play we haven't had an exciting debutante for quite some time.
Don't rate Menzel? Harsh.
Too little too late.
Menzel is an early pick but hadn't been impressing as much in the twos. I watched Graham play a few weeks back on ABC in the mud and slop he looked a class above. Really looking forward to see what he has to offer at senior level.
Nothing surer than a win this week. They got their bogey win against us they have made finals and dont need the win. We now have nothing to play for on saturday, and the tigers are going to crow early about their finals fortunes. It all adds up to us winning this week. No Chris Judd. I can see the Tiggies getting ahead of themselves, and failing to rise to the occasion. They are a bit mind stuffed when they face us, and if we get the jump on them early will go into their shells and fail to respond.
Thry me old mate, you are unfortunately describing what Carlton would do (ie steal defeat from the jaws of victory). Richmond will put us to the sword and will well.
Yep. Looking squarely at us, and us alone we will win this game. We are so predictable in when we pick and choose which games we rock up to play its not funny. We still have the wood on these guys. One coughing and spluttering almost win is not the panacea to a decade of dishing out losses to these bozos.
Yes we are predictable and we can't beat sides above us at all and lets face it Richmond are THAT MUCH better than us and have been building for quite some time. We can't even beat the Bulldogs when we have plenty to play for and they have nothing at all to play for. We USED to have it over them, when we were a well coached outfit. We have zero chance this weekend, I'm predicting a 10 goal plus hiding.
We have beaten one side above us even if it was Port.
I'm thinking the players would've got a reaming and will lift this week and next.............and then probably bomb the last week when we need it most as Carlton does when they get us a touch excited.
Who's the sub this week then??
Yarran again? May as well drop him too and bring in Buckley!!
Amazing that Yarran still gets a game. Perhaps Mick is trying to sub him to death to make or break him?
Who's the sub this week then??
Yarran again? May as well drop him too and bring in Buckley!!
Sub will be announced 90 mins (60??) before the game.
It will be someone from the bench, which is....
INT: 30 Jarrad Waite, 32 Nick Graham, 2 Troy Menzel, 27 Dennis Armfield
I'm predicting graham.
Yaaaay, Graham finally gets a game, too bad they'll probably play him as sub. ::)
I like all the in's, It toughens us up a bit, on paper anyway !!
I would love to see Dinger have a good game, if he can add some polish to his grunt we will have a very handy player.
Who's the sub this week then??
Yarran again? May as well drop him too and bring in Buckley!!
Sub will be announced 90 mins (60??) before the game.
It will be someone from the bench, which is....
INT: 30 Jarrad Waite, 32 Nick Graham, 2 Troy Menzel, 27 Dennis Armfield
I'm predicting graham.
Going on that scenario........I'd pick Army as the sub.
I Like him but despite being down of late, he's what every sub should be ....an impact player. Someone with skills ( In Army's case PACE ) to really influence a game when they come on.
Army's never gonna influence a game for 100 minutes as he's not "that" good, but as a burst player I find him more than just capable.
Amazing that Yarran still gets a game.
Disappointing is how I would describe it. :(
Must be hoping he has at least one good game before the end of the season to improve his trade potential - unfortunately, every game he has played recently has had the opposite effect.
Amazing that Yarran still gets a game.
Disappointing is how I would describe it. :(
Must be hoping he has at least one good game before the end of the season to improve his trade potential - unfortunately, every game he has played recently has had the opposite effect.
I was thinking the same RR - he's not exactly showcasing his skills atm.
Amazing that Yarran still gets a game.
Disappointing is how I would describe it. :(
Must be hoping he has at least one good game before the end of the season to improve his trade potential - unfortunately, every game he has played recently has had the opposite effect.
I was thinking the same RR - he's not exactly showcasing his skills atm.
Maybe a certain club know to have manipulated the draft in the past by putting out false messages *cough
eagles cough* has told him to reduce his value >:(
hope graham gets a go on the big stage
Watched the Blue Print, old Sellers doesnt mince his words and summarised how I feel excatly:
- Not fit enough
- Dont work hard enough
Put up the following chart
Rnd 1 v Rich Led by 17 Lost by 5
Rnd 2 v Coll Led by 23 Lost by 17
Rnd 3 v Geel Led by 22 Lost by 16
Rnd 11 v Ess Led by 31 Lost by 5
Rnd 12 v Haw Led by 17 Lost by 15
Rnd 15 v Coll Led by 28 Lost by 41
Rnd 19 v Freo Led by 16 Lost by 36
A sad tale really, in control of our own destiny and faded in 7 games.
He is confidant if we can exploit their defence we can win, I dont share this belief, who knows.
5 good, logical inclusions.
Graham sub.
Let Dinger off the leash.
I agree re Dinger but give Graham a full game FFS. Really looking forward to seeing this kid play we haven't had an exciting debutante for quite some time.
Let Yarran ponce around for a quarter and a half and if he doesn't deliver... bring on the Nick. For those of you who haven't yet seen this kid in action... reckon you'll like what you see.
RICHMOND v CARLTON, MCG, 1:45pm AEST, Saturday 17 August
RICHMOND
B: S.Morris A.Rance D.Astbury
HB: B.Houli T.Chaplin R.Petterd
C: S.Grigg T.Cotchin D.Jackson
HF: M.White D.Martin B.Ellis
F: L.McGuane J.Riewoldt T.Vickery
FOLL: I.Maric B.Deledio N.Foley
I/C: S.Tuck R.Conca N.Vlastuin D.Grimes
EMG: M.McDonough B.Helbig L.McBean
In: Dylan Grimes, Ricky Petterd
Out: Robin Nahas (omitted), Chris Newman (ankle)
CARLTON
B: J.Bootsma M.Jamison L.Henderson
HB: Z.Tuohy A.McInnes B.Gibbs
C: C.Yarran M.Robinson K.Simpson
HF: E.Curnow A.Walker T.Bell
F: B.McLean L.Casboult H.Scotland
FOLL: R.Warnock E.Betts M.Murphy
Int: D.Armfield N.Graham T.Menzel J.Waite
Emg: J.Cachia K.Lucas S.Rowe
In: Andrew McInnes, Mitch Robinson, Nick Graham, Tom Bell, Levi Casboult
Out: Matthew Watson (foot), Chris Judd (knee), Sam Rowe (omitted) , Jaryd Cachia (omitted) , Jeff Garlett (glute)
Yazz is lucky to be there, but how many more guys deserve the promotion?
What can you tell us about him baggers?
Clearly a ball magnet, but who, if anyone does he remind you of ?
What can you tell us about him baggers?
Clearly a ball magnet, but who, if anyone does he remind you of ?
Sam Mitchell.. Without the smug..
What can you tell us about him baggers?
Clearly a ball magnet, but who, if anyone does he remind you of ?
Sam Mitchell.. Without the smug..
I'd take a Sam Mitchell at the moment.
Watched the Blue Print, old Sellers doesnt mince his words and summarised how I feel excatly:
- Not fit enough
- Dont work hard enough
Put up the following chart
Rnd 1 v Rich Led by 17 Lost by 5
Rnd 2 v Coll Led by 23 Lost by 17
Rnd 3 v Geel Led by 22 Lost by 16
Rnd 11 v Ess Led by 31 Lost by 5
Rnd 12 v Haw Led by 17 Lost by 15
Rnd 15 v Coll Led by 28 Lost by 41
Rnd 19 v Freo Led by 16 Lost by 36
A sad tale really, in control of our own destiny and faded in 7 games.
He is confidant if we can exploit their defence we can win, I dont share this belief, who knows.
FFS can any journos get their own stuff.
Posted this 8 weeks ago
Watched the Blue Print, old Sellers doesnt mince his words and summarised how I feel excatly:
- Not fit enough
- Dont work hard enough
Put up the following chart
Rnd 1 v Rich Led by 17 Lost by 5
Rnd 2 v Coll Led by 23 Lost by 17
Rnd 3 v Geel Led by 22 Lost by 16
Rnd 11 v Ess Led by 31 Lost by 5
Rnd 12 v Haw Led by 17 Lost by 15
Rnd 15 v Coll Led by 28 Lost by 41
Rnd 19 v Freo Led by 16 Lost by 36
A sad tale really, in control of our own destiny and faded in 7 games.
He is confidant if we can exploit their defence we can win, I dont share this belief, who knows.
Also watched the Blue Print and was firstly impressed that the club allowed such (constructive and deserved) criticism to be aired on their website - that is impressive and a departure from the usual Marketing/PR driven drivel.
When Sellars rolled out those stats I immediately thought of the Tiggers last years.
Tells me we are doing something right... but may just not have the personnel to deliver it and others may just need more time to adjust to the MM defensive style...
And whilst I'm on that - I am not a devotee to the strictly defensive mindset. I reckon our defensiveness has cost us games (maybe due to player confusion which will subside once they get used to it). Personally, I believe that worrying your opponent with effective offensive tactics is very important. Balance. The Fluffy Ducks can now do this... they can switch from dour defensiveness to committed offense. As do the Pussy Cats and Dawks... even the D1ckers are showing an attacking flair.
@Baggers
Agree Baggers, you got it spot on. Until we have the full bag of attacking and defensive skills in our toolbag we won't win a flag. It's going to be a more painful process than we thought to learn all of these but I'm still optimistic that we will be successful, hopefully in the not too distant future.
Mark McClure states the obvious, and does it well.
It has been clear that we have lacked big fella power up forward and down back.
The back line is suspect without Henderson and we need two of him in the forward line.
The amigos are great, but they are effective when we have big strong contesting players.
While it is true fitness and commitment have been lacking, we have lacked balance as well.
Good team selections this week.
Get Jack Watts
Get another big strong back!
I like our Ins....all goers...Tigers have two good players out and some duds in(shows they have no depth)......Blues by 28 points.....
I like our Ins....all goers...Tigers have two good players out and some duds in(shows they have no depth)......Blues by 28 points.....
I like it.
Every chance dickmond will cock it up
What can you tell us about him baggers?
Clearly a ball magnet, but who, if anyone does he remind you of ?
Reminds me of Luke Blackwell but miles faster and with much better disposal skills
Im loving the fact that the betting is heavily stacked towards Richmond and we are now stretching out to roughly $4 to win.
Its going in the right direction. I reckon Richmond will blink on saturday. Im starting to think that we might actually get a big win on saturday.
I like our Ins....all goers...Tigers have two good players out and some duds in(shows they have no depth)......Blues by 28 points.....
I like it.
Every chance dickmond will cock it up
You guys are dreaming. Richmond are the real deal and our coach has lost the players. Can you imagine what would've happened the last two weeks if Juddy wasn't playing? I'm tipping we may start brightly but will be well and truly overrun by half time. This could get very ugly.
I like our Ins....all goers...Tigers have two good players out and some duds in(shows they have no depth)......Blues by 28 points.....
I like it.
Every chance dickmond will cock it up
You guys are dreaming. Richmond are the real deal and our coach has lost the players. Can you imagine what would've happened the last two weeks if Juddy wasn't playing? I'm tipping we may start brightly but will be well and truly overrun by half time. This could get very ugly.
Totally agree PI2C - this is the first time in many, many years whereby we're playing a Richmond team that is CLEARLY better than us.....and substantially so. Anyone who even considers us to be a chance, simply based on recent past performances, you're simply not being realistic in any way, shape or form. I like the changes Mick has made considering the injuries, really like them, but it still won't change the fact that the Tigers are on a totally different level to us in ability, development & confidence. It could get real ugly tomorrow....expect Hendo to return to defence, seeing as Jamo continues his spud-like form.
The in's are amazing...
So amazing I reckon we have 20 posters calling for these ins 6 weeks ago.
What can you tell us about him baggers?
Clearly a ball magnet, but who, if anyone does he remind you of ?
Reminds me of Luke Blackwell but miles faster and with much better disposal skills
Good comparison RR, Young Fella. I'm a big fan of his disposal - often hits the best target by foot or hand and has a footy brain. Really pleasing to see that one of our blokes actually has a footy brain!
I just hope we haven't put the mozz on him with this tyre pumping. But I am sure everyone is realistic enough to know he won't come in and dominate... but just watch for potential.
What can you tell us about him baggers?
Clearly a ball magnet, but who, if anyone does he remind you of ?
Reminds me of Luke Blackwell but miles faster and with much better disposal skills
Good comparison RR, Young Fella. I'm a big fan of his disposal - often hits the best target by foot or hand and has a footy brain. Really pleasing to see that one of our blokes actually has a footy brain!
I just hope we haven't put the mozz on him with this tyre pumping. But I am sure everyone is realistic enough to know he won't come in and dominate... but just watch for potential.
hmmm Luke Blackwell. Could have been anything with the proper development.
Might have a new fave player then :-)
My concern is he was in top form 4 weeks ago. The NB's watchers amongst us said he player tired last week which is understandable and hope that he is not too tired to try and make his debut in the top flight.
Hope he is not sub and agree Dennis would make a good Sub this week.
I like our Ins....all goers...Tigers have two good players out and some duds in(shows they have no depth)......Blues by 28 points.....
I like it.
Every chance dickmond will cock it up
You guys are dreaming. Richmond are the real deal and our coach has lost the players. Can you imagine what would've happened the last two weeks if Juddy wasn't playing? I'm tipping we may start brightly but will be well and truly overrun by half time. This could get very ugly.
Totally agree PI2C - this is the first time in many, many years whereby we're playing a Richmond team that is CLEARLY better than us.....and substantially so. Anyone who even considers us to be a chance, simply based on recent past performances, you're simply not being realistic in any way, shape or form. I like the changes Mick has made considering the injuries, really like them, but it still won't change the fact that the Tigers are on a totally different level to us in ability, development & confidence. It could get real ugly tomorrow....expect Hendo to return to defence, seeing as Jamo continues his spud-like form.
i disagree that they are clearly better than us. They might even win tomorrow but its not because they are better. They have had a good year. We have not, the talent level is still as good if not better at Carlton. We just havent been playing well.
I still think that Richmond has been vastly overated this year. They beat Hawthorn again this year and everyone have arrived. Richmond is to Hawthorn, as is St Kilda to us. One of those sides they struggle with at the best of times.
we haven't beaten the Hawks for 8 years.
we haven't beaten the Hawks for 8 years.
That is not the point i was making. Hawthorn struggle with Richmond like we struggle with St Kilda (who beat us again this year).
The fact that we cant beat Hawthorn is not important in this discussion. St Kilda beat us in premiership years whilst rooted to the bottom of the ladder.
@Thry
They actually smashed Hawthorn last year, and they also beat Sydney, both grand finalists so they have clearly been building, this is not some fluke that has happened overnight.
Also just wondering bro, do you rate malthouse on this year's efforts or not? Because surely if we have that much talent to be better than Richmond we've underacheived this year? I thought you had it the other way around and said it was the players? Apologies if i got this wrong I could be thinking of someone else, but pretty sure it was you. i just don't think you can lay the blame at the players' feet and say they're talented enough but it's not up to malthouse to get the best out of them.
The Graham kid sounds like he has the talent but can someone confirm whether or not he gets the hard ball as this is a glaring deficiency with our side. Give me hope, someone?
@Thry
They actually smashed Hawthorn last year, and they also beat Sydney, both grand finalists so they have clearly been building, this is not some fluke that has happened overnight.
Also just wondering bro, do you rate malthouse on this year's efforts or not? Because surely if we have that much talent to be better than Richmond we've underacheived this year? I thought you had it the other way around and said it was the players? Apologies if i got this wrong I could be thinking of someone else, but pretty sure it was you. i just don't think you can lay the blame at the players' feet and say they're talented enough but it's not up to malthouse to get the best out of them.
To clarify, I rate Malthouse as a coach.
The players we have are talented, however they are not well rounded. They have obvious strengths, and not so obvious weaknesses. The fact that its taking them this long to adapt makes me question their commitment to the cause and whether or not they are in it for the team, rather than for themselves.
Ratten made a good coach because he was able to get our squad playing good attractive footy, but he failed to develope them as players, which is why people are so divided on him as a coach. When everyone was fairly happy and things were going well, it was roses. As soon as the schizen hit the fan we fell apart quicker than a building built on sandy foundations.
The coach can only do so much when the players dont want to develope, and would rather stick with their old habits because its easier to be like this. The only reason im quick to blame the players, is that this same factor is what got Ratten in the end. Not enough improvement from them as individuals and as a team, unwilling to adapt.
Now, the players may still decide to not adapt and play team first football, and thats up to them, but its time to embrace the mantra of the coach comes first, and to stand by his decisions. I do believe you have a bit of a selective memory regarding the Ratten years and might be painting them to be better than they actually were, because it suits your current argument, but lets face it, they were simply better than we have put up with for a long time, and still pale in comparison to our truly succesful years of the past. FWIW, I dont blame Ratten. I dont believe he received the full support of the board and his coaching group, and I also believe that whilst Malthouse has received more than Ratten did, he too has not quite had the right mix around him, as evidenced by clear differences of opinion surrounding what we have and where we are at, and the departure of Mr. Cordy at the end of the year.
As for Richmond beating Hawthorn and Sydney last season, they also lost to Gold Coast, and couldnt put us away last year with half a side in. Were they false dawns? Yes they were. This season appears to be a true dawn for the first time in a long time for them. The thing is, I still dont rate them that highly, and believe that they are simply doing what North Melbourne did last season. In fact, the bottom 4 of the 8 are down right questionable, which sort of makes our season that much harder to bear. I think the talent level of postions 6 - 12 is a lot more even than people think.
The Graham kid sounds like he has the talent but can someone confirm whether or not he gets the hard ball as this is a glaring deficiency with our side. Give me hope, someone?
I haven't seen him shirk an issue. Goes hard. Gets the inside aggot and can link up on the outside and deliver effectively. As I mentioned previously, he's got a footy brain hence makes good decisions quickly and acts.
The Graham kid sounds like he has the talent but can someone confirm whether or not he gets the hard ball as this is a glaring deficiency with our side. Give me hope, someone?
I haven't seen him shirk an issue. Goes hard. Gets the inside aggot and can link up on the outside and deliver effectively. As I mentioned previously, he's got a footy brain hence makes good decisions quickly and acts.
Thanks Baggers. I hope he gets a decent run tomorrow.
The Graham kid sounds like he has the talent but can someone confirm whether or not he gets the hard ball as this is a glaring deficiency with our side. Give me hope, someone?
I haven't seen him shirk an issue. Goes hard. Gets the inside aggot and can link up on the outside and deliver effectively. As I mentioned previously, he's got a footy brain hence makes good decisions quickly and acts.
Agreed - no obvious weaknesses at VFL level.
From the little I've seen of Graham, he is the sort of player we should of been drafting every year. Is actually a footballer, has some courage about him and wants to succeed, all traits that Hughes & Co conveniently omitted when they considered a potential draftee.
I'd rather they went for players like him & fail instead of trying to turn guys from other codes into possible players who end up failing anyway. Play the percentages for a few seasons, build up the stock !!
Now, back to the game, don't want this thread to turn into a debate about how to talent spot ..................
Be great if we won but I'll take a fighting loss with the younger players showing some genuine positive signs for the future instead. Besides, I just can't see the Tigers dropping a game this close to the finals.
I have heard so many good things about Graham. I just can't wait to see what all the fuss is about. If he has the potential I have heard he has, we are on a winner here. like Sheik said we need to get players that have genuine ability in the next few seasons. He won't have it easy against the Tigers. They will be desperate to make any new kid feel out of place on the field. No Judd isn't going to help us either. Hope we don't get smashed. A close loss won't upset me one little bit. Well, maybe just a little bit.
Is there a game this weekend? I was trying not to think about it.
To steal Juddy's line, we've got a pretty mediocre team and it won't be pretty to watch :(
The Graham kid sounds like he has the talent but can someone confirm whether or not he gets the hard ball as this is a glaring deficiency with our side. Give me hope, someone?
I haven't seen him shirk an issue. Goes hard. Gets the inside aggot and can link up on the outside and deliver effectively. As I mentioned previously, he's got a footy brain hence makes good decisions quickly and acts.
Agreed - no obvious weaknesses at VFL level.
I think he lacks a yard of pace but has the smarts to make up for it, and is a clever player.....also think he is the type of player like Dane Swan that you dont expect too much defensive work from but as Ron Barrassi once said just give me possessions....
I have no good feelings about this game at all, a win would be a very pleasant surprise !!
I think he lacks a yard of pace but has the smarts to make up for it, and is a clever player.....also think he is the type of player like Dane Swan that you dont expect too much defensive work from but as Ron Barrassi once said just give me possessions....
I hope so EB, but if he lacks a yard of pace at VFL level (and that seems to be the case), he is going to need an awful lot of smarts. I guess we'll soon find out :-\
Can't seem to get excited with this game, only thing that will be getting me to watch it is 40+ plus years of support and to have a look at Graham & Menzal in the same team. Oh, and hope that maybe the Boult doesn't go to water in front of goals :(
Tigers will win again margin doesn't matter anymore.
In a rather bizarre way, winning would be a sad indictment on the effort in recent games.
If they can get over the tigers it will demonstrate that it's more about attitude than ability.
Blues by 24 ;D
In a rather bizarre way, winning would be a sad indictment on the effort in recent games.
If they can get over the tigers it will demonstrate that it's more about attitude than ability.
Blues by 24 ;D
I thought we gave a solid effort against Freo, they were just too classy and we won 3 in a row before that. Our effort against the dogs was poor but it must be noted they have vastly improved as the season has gone on, their last 4 weeks has seen them beat Carlton and West Coast plus very competitive efforts against the Hawks and Swans.
Can't seem to get excited with this game, only thing that will be getting me to watch it is 40+ plus years of support and to have a look at Graham & Menzal in the same team. Oh, and hope that maybe the Boult doesn't go to water in front of goals :(
Tigers will win again margin doesn't matter anymore.
Meat's been slotting them nicely in the NBs... gotten over the yips, well, at VFL level ...the big test will be on the big stage.
Really looking forward to seeing the future play today. Graham, Menzel, Casboult, Bell, McInnes. It's almost like a throw back to the Brittain/Pagan days where we had a lot of youth.
Great post Carrots.
Just need Buckley in there as well
Can't seem to get excited with this game, only thing that will be getting me to watch it is 40+ plus years of support and to have a look at Graham & Menzal in the same team. Oh, and hope that maybe the Boult doesn't go to water in front of goals :(
Tigers will win again margin doesn't matter anymore.
Meat's been slotting them nicely in the NBs... gotten over the yips, well, at VFL level ...the big test will be on the big stage.
Yeap was aware of that and yeap that's the big test.
BTW, like the new Avatar :D
Really looking forward to seeing the future play today. Graham, Menzel, Casboult, Bell, McInnes. It's almost like a throw back to the Brittain/Pagan days where we had a lot of youth.
I just hope the tide turns for us and these young blokes fire for us soon. Its our turn FFS.
Really looking forward to seeing the future play today. Graham, Menzel, Casboult, Bell, McInnes. It's almost like a throw back to the Brittain/Pagan days where we had a lot of youth.
I just hope the tide turns for us and these young blokes fire for us soon. Its our turn FFS.
They are the future and I am excited because the pressure is off us. Lets see how the Tigers handle the favourites tag.
Really looking forward to seeing the future play today. Graham, Menzel, Casboult, Bell, McInnes. It's almost like a throw back to the Brittain/Pagan days where we had a lot of youth.
Fixed ;D
Graham Sub :( Understand why but would have thought he was an impact player.
Hopefully he gets a good run.
Graham Sub :( Understand why but would have thought he was an impact player.
Hopefully he gets a good run.
Fkn joke! Give the kid a proper crack FFS!
Graham Sub :( Understand why but would have thought he was an impact player.
Hopefully he gets a good run.
Fkn joke! Give the kid a proper crack FFS!
Sorry meant "wasn't an impact player"
Graham sub is no surprise with MM as coach.
Good luck to the kid anyway.
C'mon Blues. Show us what you are really made of.
Graham Sub :( Understand why but would have thought he was an impact player.
Hopefully he gets a good run.
Fkn joke! Give the kid a proper crack FFS!
May be saving him for the lying drug cheating Mexican scum lords next week.
Graham Sub :( Understand why but would have thought he was an impact player.
Hopefully he gets a good run.
Fkn joke! Give the kid a proper crack FFS!
Dont worry. Will probably come in first Qtr when Waite breaks a nail going for a mark.