This game is a Sunday afternoon game on the Gold Coast, starting at 1610. We will NOT be on free to air TV. Again.
Last time we were 4-0 1995.
Some think round 4 to be a dangerous assignment. I certainly don't. 8)
Out Boyd
In Saad
Stocker not done enough
Paddy Dow and Motlop very good but we are in good form centre forward of the ball so no spot for them at the moment I don't think
I think we need to find a spot for Dow.
Reward for effort.
I think we need to find a spot for Dow.
Reward for effort.
Indeed. He simply can't do much more than he is.
God Coast had a very poor game against GWS. Hopefully, we can learn something from that, as we have better forward options that GWS does.
For me, we are not getting enough out of Fisher. This might be a great time to give Motlop a run.
Saad a definite - missed his run immensely today.
Fisher can be replaced but need to guarantee his replacement can bring 15-17 touches + 5 tackles + 5 score involvements per game with 80%+ Disposal efficiency
If Motlop can do better then Fisher needs to be replaced - but what a huge risk to take
Downside with Fisher's game he isnt gaining any meterage with his posessions and needs to hurt the opposition more
Not sure Motlop for Fisher is a good idea? We have two pure specialist forwards in Durdin and Owies and that's exactly what Motlop is. Fisher, while form hasn't been great, can play up the ground a bit more. Durdin and Owies have played their roles pretty well so I'd stick with them.
Saad obviously in for Boyd.
Not sure McDonald comes back in either....Young probably holds his spot...unless they want 3 talls down back?
Stocker probably needs another week or two.
Maybe Martin for Fisher is the only other change....assuming Pittonet is right to go.
What we want is for Port to beat Melbourne in Adelaide, Geelong to beat Brisbane in Geelong then we beat the GC to move to the top of the ladder!
Round 4? Rather premature to be worried about such trivialities.
What we want is for Port to beat Melbourne in Adelaide, Geelong to beat Brisbane in Geelong then we beat the GC to move to the top of the ladder!
We need to worry about us and our next quarter of footy. The ladder will look after itself if we do that.
Round 4? Rather premature to be worried about such trivialities.
After 20 years of crap i'll take any triviality....lol.
After 20 years of crap i'll take any triviality....lol.
5th favourite for the flag atm jimbo. That should be enough.
This is one of the games that we should win, which always makes me nervous because our record in 'should win' games is not far short of appalling over recent times.
Given the prediction is for a top temp of 27 degrees, whoever is picked better be 100% fit.
If this time next week we are 4-0, I'll put away the brochures for the September holidays.....
Agreed Tonyo....remember a game up there a few years ago early in the season too. We led pretty much all day in a low standard game only for them to kick the winning goal in the last 30 odd seconds...might've even been Holman who kicked it. I reckon it would be the focus by Voss for sure....not to let this one slip or take it for granted. Luckily another Sunday game so a decent break.
If we win this week Carlton supporters will start their ladder predictors.
If we win this week Carlton supporters will start their ladder predictors.
Whataya mean "start"? Im asking all my Haw supporter mates which is the best gate to queue up for GF tickets.
Whataya mean "start"? Im asking all my Haw supporter mates which is the best gate to queue up for GF tickets.
I was sending those texts at quarter time.
I think we need to find a spot for Dow.
Reward for effort.
You know the flip side of that is; punishment for perceived lack of effort.
Who do you believe deserves to go out of the team for Dow? Find a like for like that deserves to be dropped.
Not saying Dow doesn't deserve to play, he was good, but who deserves to go out?
God Coast had a very poor game against GWS. Hopefully, we can learn something from that, as we have better forward options that GWS does.
Firstly, Tag Miller. Secondly, limit Casboult's opportunities.
Firstly, Tag Miller. Secondly, limit Casboult's opportunities.
Casboult will see a Blue jumper and pass the ball to it, old habits ;D
Plus he'll get the yips again in front of goal.
Casboult will see a Blue jumper and pass the ball to it, old habits ;D
Plus he'll get the yips again in front of goal.
Our blokes won't sledge him, and I'll be disgusted if fans go too far, unfortunately I expect it to happen!
Meat has always been a fair player, was a good Carlton man, and deserves to be treated with respect.
Who plays on him, I suspect Young gets the gig, assuming Pitto gets up to play next week.
Casboult is easy enough. Dont let him run and jump at it, and he is finished. Thing is, sometimes you can let him clunk it, and he will kick himself out of the game anyway.
Casboult is easy enough. Dont let him run and jump at it, and he is finished. Thing is, sometimes you can let him clunk it, and he will kick himself out of the game anyway.
He'll have a lot of confidence against his old training partners, they ought not take him too lightly, and he is still a monster that can set bench press records when he is prepared to use his bulk.
The bigger problem for us might be Chol, not sure we have a good match up with Gov out, most of our blokes aren't that mobile.
The bigger problem for us might be Chol, not sure we have a good match up with Gov out, most of our blokes aren't that mobile.
From what I've seen of Chol so far LP I don't think he'll be much of an issue. Looks next to useless. Think Richmond won out on that deal.
Casboult will see a Blue jumper and pass the ball to it, old habits ;D
Problem is he'll miss and it will go to a Suns player....lol.
Carlton by 56 points.
Weather is predicted to be 24°C and drizzle.
Problem is he'll miss and it will go to a Suns player....lol.
Beat me to it.
Hopefully he is aiming for GC players, then we'll be ok ;)
Meat was a reasonable field kick, better than his goal kicking.
Meat was a reasonable field kick, better than his goal kicking.
Thats like saying Simpson was a reasonable kick on his left compared to his right.
Meat was a reasonable field kick, better than his goal kicking.
Yes, when he played as a key defender, my heart was in my mouth every time he tried pinpoint kicks to a teammate, but he rarely missed the target.
Yes, when he played as a key defender, my heart was in my mouth every time he tried pinpoint kicks to a teammate, but he rarely missed the target.
Yep, one of the real anomalies of football, you can have guys who can hit a target on the run at 50m yet are unable to get it between the posts(the wide ones) on a set shot! :o
Yep, one of the real anomalies of football, you can have guys who can hit a target on the run at 50m yet are unable to get it between the posts(the wide ones) on a set shot! :o
I have a theory on this. Some people over think it.
Have you ever just reacted instinctively and surprised yourself? I have on the sports field a lot. Hell, the more I listen to my instincts the better served I am.
The more I think about it, the more nervous, worked up, and then ultimately suffering is the only result. I think this is what star wars talked about when discussing light and dark side.
I have a theory on this. Some people over think it.
Have you ever just reacted instinctively and surprised yourself? I have on the sports field a lot. Hell, the more I listen to my instincts the better served I am.
The more I think about it, the more nervous, worked up, and then ultimately suffering is the only result. I think this is what star wars talked about when discussing light and dark side.
This is very true, I've had some high level success in different sports, and the best advice I ever got and that I could ever pass on is to always deliver it cold. Act like you've been there before, seen it before, and that you belong there. It's amazing how that mindset can calm you into a high level of performance.
I've also heard this is one of the biggest benefits of visualising the contest prior to the actual event, it tricks / makes you feel you are in a familiar environment.
Meat was a reasonable field kick, better than his goal kicking.
Maybe when he was in the clear but with a two handed drop its impossible to be accurate if you have to kick quickly or on the wrong foot. Stewart Loewe was a wonderful mark like Levi but also a shocking kick initially, later in his career he became a very reliable kick so it is possible all be it rare for a player to improve in this area.
I think we should belt GC by 50 points minimum, Levi will probably kick a few goals(2-3) given he is their only target and good luck to him....
Stewart Loewe was a wonderful mark like Levi but also a shocking kick initially, later in his career he became a very reliable kick so it is possible all be it rare for a player to improve in this area.
So far so good for Cripps in 2022.
Maybe when he was in the clear but with a two handed drop its impossible to be accurate if you have to kick quickly or on the wrong foot. Stewart Loewe was a wonderful mark like Levi but also a shocking kick initially, later in his career he became a very reliable kick so it is possible all be it rare for a player to improve in this area.
I think we should belt GC by 50 points minimum, Levi will probably kick a few goals(2-3) given he is their only target and good luck to him....
Chol did kick 3 goals last week. Do not underestimate.
I have a theory on this. Some people over think it.
Have you ever just reacted instinctively and surprised yourself? I have on the sports field a lot. Hell, the more I listen to my instincts the better served I am.
The more I think about it, the more nervous, worked up, and then ultimately suffering is the only result. I think this is what star wars talked about when discussing light and dark side.
This is very true, I've had some high level success in different sports, and the best advice I ever got and that I could ever pass on is to always deliver it cold. Act like you've been there before, seen it before, and that you belong there. It's amazing how that mindset can calm you into a high level of performance.
I've also heard this is one of the biggest benefits of visualising the contest prior to the actual event, it tricks / makes you feel you are in a familiar environment.
I'll put it in a slightly different way. It's impossible for humans to think their way through complex movements. Otherwise, the brainiest people would be the best sportspeople. If we try to work through a list of 10 or so separate things when we kick, for instance, we'll lose any fluency. We'll be like a meccano man.
In order to master complex movements, we have to "download" the checklist of actions into muscle memory. Then we keep 1 thing in mind such as "make sure you drop the ball in line with your kicking foot rather than between your legs" and that can help to a degree.
So, practice (or perfect practice as Ron Barassi said) is the key to developing a natural and fluent action in kicking or any other skill you might want to master.
Batsmen and tennis players often recover their natural motions by "opening their shoulders" and just letting loose.
Chol did kick 3 goals last week. Do not underestimate.
In the last quarter when the game was done.
Gold Coast is clearly a danger game for us. They have a lot of high draft picks who are highly talented. We have had a history of not turning up against. Lost to North Melbourne Gold Coast and Collingwood last season, lost to Hawthorn and Adelaide the previous season and I think we have had a history of consistently losing to bottom four sides over the past few years. even when we are not a bottom four side. As I have said in the past, losers lose because they lose, winners win because they win. We were lucky to get away with a win last week against, not that I thought Hawthorn deserved to win, but because we stopped playing smart and started playing lazy and dumb. The ball bobbled out a couple of times to Hawthorn players in the final minute but Weitering was able to intervene and save us. Our midfield should overpower Gold Coast and our forwards should be able to kick enough goals to win. However, what we should do and what we actually do do has been a large gap recently.
Gold Coast is clearly a danger game for us. They have a lot of high draft picks who are highly talented. We have had a history of not turning up against. Lost to North Melbourne Gold Coast and Collingwood last season, lost to Hawthorn and Adelaide the previous season and I think we have had a history of consistently losing to bottom four sides over the past few years. even when we are not a bottom four side. As I have said in the past, losers lose because they lose, winners win because they win. We were lucky to get away with a win last week against, not that I thought Hawthorn deserved to win, but because we stopped playing smart and started playing lazy and dumb. The ball bobbled out a couple of times to Hawthorn players in the final minute but Weitering was able to intervene and save us. Our midfield should overpower Gold Coast and our forwards should be able to kick enough goals to win. However, what we should do and what we actually do do has been a large gap recently.
Agree that in the past we have benevolently ran teams and players into form. This is a test for for us and will show if we have indeed changed our spots under Voss. Providing we don't take them lightly, we should win comfortably.
Agree that in the past we have benevolently ran teams and players into form. This is a test for for us and will show if we have indeed changed our spots under Voss. Providing we don't take them lightly, we should win comfortably.
Yes, despite only relatively few new faces on the ground, we have a very different team this season. Clearly, there's still work to be done to iron out a few flaws in our play and we have a few blokes who could come into the team and strengthen it. The fact that there's genuine competition for a spot in the 22 should mean 100% effort from everyone and, more importantly, there seems to be a real pride in wearing navy blue. I don't think we'll give Gold Coast a sniff.
Durdin out with Covid...... enter Motlop?? Timing is everything!!!
Durdin out with Covid...... enter Motlop?? Timing is everything!!!
Here's your chance kid
Here's your chance kid
Reckon he'll take it.
Anyone who has had Covid or knows someone who has (don't we all!!) will know that after the 7 day isolation, you can still feel weak, lethargic and just 'off colour' for a while. We are expecting the likes of Cerra, Martin, Saad, etc who may have had it, to do their 7 days and come back match fit and ready to go. It's not going to always work that way......
Anyone who has had Covid or knows someone who has (don't we all!!) will know that after the 7 day isolation, you can still feel weak, lethargic and just 'off colour' for a while. We are expecting the likes of Cerra, Martin, Saad, etc who may have had it, to do their 7 days and come back match fit and ready to go. It's not going to always work that way......
True. However, Cerra and Martin should be better this week. Saad will be better the week after.
That said, Saad is still probably a better bet than Boyd at the moment. However, we will have to manage his game time.
One of the big issues we face is the fitness of Pittonet. He has been a major factor in our centre square resurgence. If he doesn't come up, then we have to manage Witts, who has played well against us before and is very tall. Do we play Mirkov? The lad has made a lot of improvements, but is he ready yet for senior footy?
Jack did the job last year at times, but Witts is more than 10 cm taller. Tom de Koning would be our primary ruck, no matter what happens.
True. However, Cerra and Martin should be better this week. Saad will be better the week after.
That said, Saad is still probably a better bet than Boyd at the moment. However, we will have to manage his game time.
One of the big issues we face is the fitness of Pittonet. He has been a major factor in our centre square resurgence. If he doesn't come up, then we have to manage Witts, who has played well against us before and is very tall. Do we play Mirkov? The lad has made a lot of improvements, but is he ready yet for senior footy?
Jack did the job last year at times, but Witts is more than 10 cm taller. Tom de Koning would be our primary ruck, no matter what happens.
Did Saad have it or was he a close contact?
Did Saad have it or was he a close contact?
Are close contacts a thing anymore…?
I thought you either have it or you don’t nowadays…?
Are close contacts a thing anymore…?
I thought you either have it or you don’t nowadays…?
nah they're still a thing.
Not guaranteed to catch it even if you sleep with someone covid positive.
Anyone who has had Covid or knows someone who has (don't we all!!) will know that after the 7 day isolation, you can still feel weak, lethargic and just 'off colour' for a while. We are expecting the likes of Cerra, Martin, Saad, etc who may have had it, to do their 7 days and come back match fit and ready to go. It's not going to always work that way......
Cerra was certainly struggling last game although he improved as the game went on.
I don't think players are a monty to regain their spot after a bout of COVID. Most should be fine but some will struggle.
Are close contacts a thing anymore…?
I thought you either have it or you don’t nowadays…?
The AFL's COVID protocols apply to close contacts too. Freo's Justin Longmuir couldn't coach in the derby after being deemed a close contact.
Durdin out with Covid...... enter Motlop?? Timing is everything!!!
Motlop, Williamson and Carroll are also out as close contacts.
Motlop, Williamson and Carroll are also out as close contacts.
And it's only Thursday....
I think Fogarty comes back in for Durdin
Motlop would've been the obvious choice so Fogarty probably gets another shot. Did someone mention earlier that it was forecast to be damp/wet up there for the game? If so, not sure they'd take Mirkov in if Pittonet doesn't come up....might just go with TDK and Silvagni as backup?
With Durdin out it would've been a perfect opportunity for Motlop but he's around the mark for a debut.
Motlop would've been the obvious choice so Fogarty probably gets another shot. Did someone mention earlier that it was forecast to be damp/wet up there for the game? If so, not sure they'd take Mirkov in if Pittonet doesn't come up....might just go with TDK and Silvagni as backup?
With Durdin out it would've been a perfect opportunity for Motlop but he's around the mark for a debut.
Young can also ruck so I reckon with TDK and Jack we can cover Pittonet, Witts will probably win the ruck but as we all know that doesnt guarantee success in the midfield and we should have GC covered with our deeper midfield.
Martin starting 18 a no brainer and probably Dow as med-sub . VFL will field a a weak'ish side - interesting weekend ahead.
I reckon it will be
Martin for Durdin
Saad for Boyd
Kemp or Dow the sub
I think Kemp might be a good inclusion, he has some decent run and can play on talls or smalls. Especially if there are any doubts about Pitto's fitness and we intend to ruck SoJ or Young.
I reckon it will be
Martin for Durdin
Saad for Boyd
Kemp or Dow the sub
If Pitto is fit, 100% this. Only question mark would be the sub. Fogarty an option....if wet conditions are expected which someone suggested.
Looking at the forecast, the chance of rain during the game is pretty low (<20%).
Wet on Saturday
Rankine is back, I suspect that will be a project for Doc, I can't see another match up for him!
We have a game this weekend but we got Port next week and they look awful.
Four interchange players and the sub to come from Jordan Boyd, Paddy Dow, Lachie Fogarty, George Hewett, Jack Martin, Jack Newnes, Lochie O'Brien and Adam Saad.
Despite Vossy praising Boyd's effort at the contest, I think that he will struggle to keep his spot. The interchange bench will be Hewett, Saad, O'Brien and Martin, with Dow as the sub.
A few more losses like that and hinkley might be out of a job pretty soon
A few more losses like that and hinkley might be out of a job pretty soon
Yep agree, going to watch the Port game so I hope they dont continue that last 10 mins of the last quarter form.
They are going to be real desperate and I never like playing good teams after a drubbing, Wines out should help on top of all their other injuries and without Dixon dont see how they can beat us.
This is still a Covid affected season, nothing is certain!
Agree EB. Voss would know a fair bit about them too which will surely help?
Hard not to get ahead of ourselves after so long in the wilderness but the GC and Port games give us the perfect opportunity to set up a genuine finals tilt this year. If we can get to 5-0 and have guys like McGovern only a few weeks away, as well as guys like Dow, Motlop etc in good form in the VFL, then we're in a good place.
But we've lost to GC before when we should've won.....humid, slippery conditions won't help us but with our midfield grunt we should have more opportunities to score than them.
Lost to GC last year by bombing it long and then watching them run it back out.
After the last 3 quarters against the Hawks I hope its something we are working on.
But we've lost to GC before when we should've won.....humid, slippery conditions won't help us but with our midfield grunt we should have more opportunities to score than them.
All those longer range around the corner set shots and banana kicks become almost harder if not impossible when conditions get greasy, the ball won't bend in flight and basically skids straight on when it hits the ground.
LP....a reason why I think we'll miss Durdin this week....his work when the ball hits the ground is really good. Puts a bit more pressure on Owies this week. Might be in Jack Martin's favour....he might be the IN for Durdin.
LP....a reason why I think we'll miss Durdin this week....his work when the ball hits the ground is really good. Puts a bit more pressure on Owies this week. Might be in Jack Martin's favour....he might be the IN for Durdin.
Agree. I reckon Durds is the best of our 3 small forwards... his defensive work, speed and opportunism will be missed.
Yep, that play where CJ merely ambled after the ball while Durdin hit it at full speed and snapped truly made CJ look like Essendon's James Stewart allowing the bouncing ball to cross the goal line unmolested. And that was on a day when CJ was running hot.
LP....a reason why I think we'll miss Durdin this week....his work when the ball hits the ground is really good. Puts a bit more pressure on Owies this week. Might be in Jack Martin's favour....he might be the IN for Durdin.
Last weekend I rated Owies game higher than Durdin, might not have looked much on TV but he runs end to end and applies heaps of pressure that probably goes unnoticed.
From memory at least one of Durdin's opportunities was created by an Owies contest.
FWIW, same applies to Setterfield and LoB, they all competed strongly, made contests that caused spills and the gloss goes to the finisher at the end of the possession chain, but no Owies, Setterfield, Hewett, Kennedy or LoB types doing the grunt stuff and there is no possession chain.
But having someone like Durdin who can can convert half chances is also vital. The ability to snap at goal with a reasonable chance of success is reasonably rare. The more blue-collar defensive small forwards tend to feed it backwards by hand and that often means chances go begging. We've all seen the chain of backwards handballs which start around the goalsquare and due to congestion & pressure they continue until the ball is outside the F50 area.
A somewhat different example occurred in the Port/Demons match last night. A Port player had managed to run the ball towards goal from o/s the 50 IIRC and failed to pull the trigger with a shot at goal repeatedly. Finally, he dodged a defender and ran to the goalsquare only to have his belated kick at goal smothered by two Demons defenders. You need guys who have a high proficiency in taking shots at goal when fleeting opportunities present.
Durdin appears to really have something, whomever recruited him has a clue.
What surprised me the most on the day was CJ. Last time we played the whorks I came away with the opinion that he was as clueless a player as I've seen, maybe if we made him defend we might have seen a few more mistakes and panicky stuff.
CJ had proved himself well-and-truly before he was injured last year. It was only a matter of whether he'd be rusty after recovering from his injury and a restricted preseason. He wasn't.
Durdin has Eddies dancing feet.
But having someone like Durdin who can can convert half chances is also vital.
One of the big problems we had last game after Qtr-time was that the Dawks cleaned up almost 100% of the ground ball in our F50. Durdin wasn't that effective on his lonesome, and Owies and Fisher were being dragged up the ground to compete on the Wing or HBF.
The cause was a loss of midfield run, those HFFs and SFs end up out of position chasing up the field and the ball ends up being kicked over their heads to the marking targets. The SFs end up running back and forth with the ball sailing overhead. We needed some structural change that would allow the SFs and HFFs to stay home. In effect the lost intercept marking of Gov and Martin really hurt us when our Mids were not getting the clearances.
Durdin has Eddies dancing feet.
Ill make a rather bold prediction and say Durds will surpass Eddie.
@LP Root cause of all of it, was shocking decision making when hitting targets. There was multiple occasions, we kicked long to Harry with or without mates near the goal square, and it was 2 carlton players to about 6 hawthorn defenders. This is why they cleared it so easily. The little blokes were probably in the clear somewhere else, and this is why Jack hit the scoreboard so well last week.
Vision and decision making were the problems. Not what any of the players were doing with their running power or work rate. This is all a problem caused by a lack of composure and panic. For some reason I thought to myself we should be in control of this game, yet for some reason we looked like we were rushing things.
Not sure there were all that many ground balls for the small forwards to crumb. In Q1 Harry and Charlie were clunking them, so the front & squares were as useful as teets on a bull. After Q1, the talls ran out of gas a bit, so they were being outmarked by the defenders. They didn't need to take the mark: they just needed to bring the ball to ground but that didn't happen that much. Can't blame them much as they set up the win in Q1 and both Harry and Charlie have had injury interruptions in the preseason. Hopefully they get somewhere close to maximum fitness by September.
Vision and decision making were the problems. Not what any of the players were doing with their running power or work rate. This is all a problem caused by a lack of composure and panic. For some reason I thought to myself we should be in control of this game, yet for some reason we looked like we were rushing things.
Sitting at the game it was clear the team lost it's composure, looked flat and looked fatigued, even during the 1st-Qtr when we banged through a string of goals it was obvious we had relied on one trick with BigH, Charlie and Cripps jumping form behind or the side to clunk marks, none of them were in front.
Later the reasons behind those poor decisions were obvious. The skills were not as bad as some suggest, and the underlying opposition tactics were not addressed by our coaching panel. CJ basically ran freely out of our F50, and our Mids in an array of 3 or 4 jogged behind relying on Owies, Fisher, Setterfield and LoB to bridge the gap. The only joy we got was seeing BigH chase down Dawks a couple of times, I was hoping to see a De Koning chase but he also looked flat.
Agree. I reckon Durds is the best of our 3 small forwards... his defensive work, speed and opportunism will be missed.
Eddie thought so too, thats why he passed his number on to him.
I thought Motlop would've been a monty for it, brotherhood and all, but Eddie REALLY rated Durdin. Now we can see why.
Ill make a rather bold prediction and say Durds will surpass Eddie.
It'll be wonderful for him and us if he does, but its all down to luck (and his continuing hard work of course) but the point is that hes got "it"
Durdin appears to really have something, whomever recruited him has a clue.
What surprised me the most on the day was CJ. Last time we played the whorks I came away with the opinion that he was as clueless a player as I've seen, maybe if we made him defend we might have seen a few more mistakes and panicky stuff.
Durdin showed ability when he played SANFL seniors and was highly regarded by the Crows but they decided on Stephen Rowe's kid instead....I'd be giving credit to Nick Austin who likes his SANFL players...
Martin and Saad in, Boyd and Durdin (Covid protocols) out.
Ill make a rather bold prediction and say Durds will surpass Eddie.
Only 636 goals to go. Not much pressure.
Seven hours of Blue Bliss tomorrow - starting 12.30 with VFL
Fogarty and Dow unlucky not to be in the side. Both have been showing good form.
Pittonet withdrawn - Fogarty comes in the 22
Good luck TDK
Kemp comes into the squad as an emergency, I bet Kemp ends up playing and Young rucks with TDK.
Kemp comes into the squad as an emergency, I bet Kemp ends up playing and Young rucks with TDK.
We got lucky King is injured, you take Young out of the backline to ruck and it means Weitering would get Levi but Chol will have a big size advantage over who ever he plays on.
Reckon Jack might do some rucking this game with Levi and Chol probably doing the relief for Witts....
Plowman might have to play on Lukosius and give away a few cm, I'm never a fan of size mismatches.
Agree, I'd rather they rucked Jack and left the backline alone
Agree, I'd rather they rucked Jack and left the backline alone
The problem is having to use de Koning as our main ruckman. He just doesn't seem able to impose himself in that position and as soon as he starts to tire he gets pushed out of position by the opposing ruckman.
It looks as though Jack will have to be a shorter version of Pittonet for most of the game. I agree that we can't go shorter in the backline.
One thing it does do is add a bit more pace which I think we were lacking with the 22 we originally picked.
Hopefully we get the job done but I just get a feeling that our 'balance' has been knocked around a bit by the illness and injury of the last few weeks.
Really good sides can cover situations where players switch into roles that they don't normally play.
Tomorrow will be interesting. ;)
I would have played Mirkov. I know he’s learning the caper but his ruckwork, second efforts and marking around the ground and as a forward target are damn good.
Bringing in Fogarty for Pittonet affects the team structure and compromises the roles of other players.
I still think we’ll win but it will be a tighter contest.
I look at the Eagles vs Pies this round and wonder how they won with their issues with so many new entries to their playing squad. How they won is beyond me. We just need to find a win. Stick to the basics while we have momentum. I like what Voss has us doing. Just need to stick with his basic needs. If we win the first 4 games it will be an awesome start to the season.
The problem is having to use de Koning as our main ruckman. He just doesn't seem able to impose himself in that position and as soon as he starts to tire he gets pushed out of position by the opposing ruckman.
It looks as though Jack will have to be a shorter version of Pittonet for most of the game. I agree that we can't go shorter in the backline.
My concern with TDK is his fragility. With Pitto doing alot of the grunt work to date, TDK gets a lot of relief reducing risk of injury. We are going to see today how much load Tom can take as the sole big banana. Yes he will get help from Jack and co but...
I look at the Eagles vs Pies this round and wonder how they won with their issues with so many new entries to their playing squad. How they won is beyond me.
The trick is a known known versus unknowns, it's the new entrants that opposition cannot plan for, it's a huge short term advantage like having an interim coach, the opposition don't know!
AFL is all about surveillance and preparation, excluding the very elite the bulk of the 750 players aren't that much better than the next 1000. We get fooled by our idolatry.
The trick is a known known versus unknowns, it's the new entrants that opposition cannot plan for, it's a huge short term advantage like having an interim coach, the opposition don't know!
AFL is all about surveillance and preparation, excluding the very elite the bulk of the 750 players aren't that much better than the next 1000. We get fooled by our idolatry.
Not sure i subscribe to that fact.
The next 1000 are miles off as typified by the number of players that make it then fall away.
You can mount an argument for maybe 50 of the next thousand making the grade but they have limitations and if relied upon too heavily are exposed.
It's not idolatry that makes an AFL football player. Its a lot of hard work and ability.
I think Mirkov might have been a wiser choice ....
My concern with TDK is his fragility. With Pitto doing alot of the grunt work to date, TDK gets a lot of relief reducing risk of injury. We are going to see today how much load Tom can take as the sole big banana. Yes he will get help from Jack and co but...
I would have played Mirkov as others have suggested and agree on TDK, he isn't the type of ruck you play for the majority of the game on the ball imo due to his injury history.
I think Mirkov would get smashed by Witts, and if we are setting Mirkov to have a long career an event like that can derail progress and confidence for years and years.
I think when assessing these things you've got to look past the highlights and see the grunt, Mirkov is a way off. At VFL level you get away with little hesitations while you stop/pause to think about what to do next, at AFL level which is 24x7 preparation and practice, it has to be reflex or else you're 10m behind the play.
Mirkov is learning what to do quite quickly, I can see SpecialK's influence, and he might be ahead of the curve, but he's a way off AFL standard, he's in the Ben Silvagni zone at the moment showing he can be good enough to compete but not yet at the standard.
I think fans are too obsessed with playing these guys early, more often than not for every one you find that stands up and is made by that experience, you break a dozen or two others!
I just want Mirkov to compete, don't expect a win in the ruck but more sharing the workload so TDK isn't banged up.
We don't need a winning ruck to win this game imo..
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I just want Mirkov to compete, don't expect a win in the ruck but more sharing the workload so TDK isn't banged up.
We don't need a winning ruck to win this game imo..
That would be potentially sacrificing the medium to long term future for a short term win, a crack at the lucky dip, the risk doesn't match the reward.
We've already got someone in SoJ that is more than capable of just competing, actually much much more, because his 2nd efforts and work rate are without question. SoJ can lose the tap and win the clearance, I don't think Mirkov can!
Don't listen to the naysayers, the likes of Darcy, Watson, King(Disappointing that he's joined in with the other kickers but I suppose he knows who butters his bread) and Lyon in the media telling Carlton fans it's a danger game, they are waiting to opportunistically stomp on our corpse and they'll tell you that same thing right up until the moment we hold up a chalice, at which time they'll flip like the mangy dogs they are! They repeat the same garbage every week, every quarter, every moment, breeding doubt, and then when it inevitably happens as it must that something goes wrong, they say "I told you so!
But the naysayers aren't Nostradamus's, they are not even Nostradamus's ar5ehole!
Patience
@ElwoodBlues1 it will pay off.
I think Mirkov would get smashed by Witts, and if we are setting Mirkov to have a long career an event like that can derail progress and confidence for years and years.
I think fans are too obsessed with playing these guys early, more often than not for every one you find that stands up and is made by that experience, you break a dozen or two others!
You gotta blood the kid sometime. Better than injuring Silvagni.
You gotta blood the kid sometime. Better than injuring Silvagni.
Don't panic, if he is up to snuff it'll happen eventually.
Injuries have no such pattern, it is not a cause and effect of selection, and if SoJ does unluckily cop a niggle we've Kemp waiting in the wings, you've gotta blood the kid sometime, and I'd assert Kemp is well ahead of Mirkov in terms of progress and preparation. ;)
Don't panic, if he is up to snuff it'll happen eventually.
Injuries have no such pattern, it is not a cause and effect of selection, and if SoJ does unluckily cop a niggle we've Kemp waiting in the wings, you've gotta blood the kid sometime, and I'd assert Kemp is well ahead of Mirkov in terms of progress and preparation. ;)
You've gotta blood the kid sometime
Now is sometime
Therefore you've gotta blood the kid now
is not a valid piece of reasoning. I thought about Mirkov and the eductaion Witts could give him but he is simply too far off ready. I'd like to bring in Kemp as the injury sub as he can cover just about any type who might go down. Lose a key back? - in comes Kemp. Likewise medium or small back, or a mid or forward of any size, even a ruck just to compete.
I would have played Mirkov as others have suggested and agree on TDK, he isn't the type of ruck you play for the majority of the game on the ball imo due to his injury history.
Agree, he is raw but a game wouldn't have done his development any harm.
Can't plan for everything but Mirkov playing at the moment is an all or nothing scenario so bringing him in is effectively a match winning or losing move.
Young can play through the ruck as relief to TDK or as an alternative to TDK and JSOS getting beaten. Thats 3 bona-fide options and forward stoppages can be taken by others (cripps has gone in the ruck at times).
I like the idea of kemp better, but we might have been better off with more running power anyway as playing a nothing tall who's getting beaten leaves you nowhere to go if he's not up to it yet and it can cost us 4 points more than it will win us 4 points.
Looks like Boyd is the medical sub.
I guess that means he's a 2 game player now. At least he won't join the "only 1 AFL game" club.
Liking Philp's game so far...
re Mirkov...
How many games of footy has he actually played?
Has he hit double figures yet? Its definitely under 20.
There is raw, and then there is raw meat that is frozen solid.
I think Jack rucked against GC and Witts previously, let him do it again.
Let mirkov get as many minutes as he can while we have enough coverage in the 1's.
Rove off Witts when needed..
Our main aim will be to play more than 1.5q’s