Saturday night 30th April. 1925 at Marvel.
We are not on TV: St. Kilda vs Port is. :(
Last year this mob embarrassed us. It was losses like this that cost Teague his job. Very interesting to see how we react, because we've been pretty ordinary against North for some time now.
Fair few who could come out but not so many options to come in.
Hope Pitto comes up but probably wont. My view bring in Kennefy and Silvagni if fit, Motlop Dow Plowman and Carroll all a chance ytocome in. Pitto and Harry may miss, any of Fisher Durdin Owies and Parks could go.
Half forwards and small forwards needs a complete re think to overhaul - they not been very good past four weeks. I'm ok with the rest of our game for now
Saturday night 30th April. 1925 at Marvel.
We are not on TV: St. Kilda vs Port is. :(
Last year this mob embarrassed us. It was losses like this that cost Teague his job. Very interesting to see how we react, because we've been pretty ordinary against North for some time now.
North trouble us when we need a win and have belief we can win. I have little confidence in a potentially easy game. We could get over the line, but I expect the opposite.
Can't believe not even this game is a certainty given our recent efforts. Injuries to Pitt and H add more pressure. Think we need to add speed. Players like Setterfield and Newnes could make way for speedier types. Is there any reason why Will Hayes doesn't get run. Is he ineligible? Failing that Carroll looks impressive. Hell, I'd even bring O'Brien back. Can't understand why Dow hasn't been given a crack. I know players like Fisher and Martin have been frustrating but they both still have a bit of "X" factor about them so I'd persist with them. Owies for me has been more disappointing and I'd be giving him a rest. Cottrell, Parks and Boyd are all VFL standard players who have not justified their inclusion. Stocker looks like he had a good game in the magoos and must be worth consideration by now. We know he'll have a crack. Kemp maybe? I sincerely hope both JSOS and Kennedy get back this week.
I'm pretty confident about this game. North are really poor. We should be looking at smacking the crap out of them.
More worried about Adelaide the game after. While in Melbourne it is the ultimate banana peel game right now.
There'll be a mushroom cloud over Princes Park if we drop this game. Deservedly I might add.
I'm pretty confident about this game. North are really poor. We should be looking at smacking the crap out of them.
More worried about Adelaide the game after. While in Melbourne it is the ultimate banana peel game right now.
One week at a time laj, we are no certainties v North Melb
Goldstein and Cerro are significant rucks, losing Pitto timing couldn't be worse!
One week at a time laj, we are no certainties v North Melb
Not worried about this one. North are that bad. Carlton being Carlton though they'll likely decide to jog through the game and win by 10-15pts.
Not worried about this one. North are that bad. Carlton being Carlton though they'll likely decide to jog through the game and win by 10-15pts.
We have a terrible record against North in recent times.
Played them once a year for the past 8 years.
Won once!
Is there any reason why Will Hayes doesn't get run. Is he ineligible?
Yep, not on the AFL list.
Goldstein and Cerro are significant rucks, losing Pitto timing couldn't be worse!
Tend to agree, if Xerri can do the ruck work then Goldstein can play forward which is where he will trouble us, Larkey got injured so I'm hoping he doesnt play, Ben McKay was also sore so if they lose those two as well as not having bogeyman Cunnington who is still out who always plays well against us I cant see them winning.
Tend to agree, if Xerri can do the ruck work then Goldstein can play forward which is where he will trouble us, Larkey got injured so I'm hoping he doesnt play, Ben McKay was also sore so if they lose those two as well as not having bogeyman Cunnington who is still out who always plays well against us I cant see them winning.
Guarantee one of Ben McKay or Harry McKay won't play.
Its like Batman and Bruce Wayne.
Yep, not on the AFL list.
So how does it work to get him playing for us Krudd?
So how does it work to get him playing for us Krudd?
Same way it would for anyone else.
Draft him.
Best chance would be mid-season draft as few players are actually drafted there.
Of course if we have a COVID crisis like Eagles did, you are allowed to recruit top up players that are not on your list to fill in for a game or 2, and we might get the option of playing him then, but unlikely that will happen.
The notion that sides have the wood on us is undercut by the fact we've been crap for a decade. If we've improved markedly over last year, then the recent win-loss record against various teams isn't of great importance. The Tigers and Hawks also had a very good record against us for the past decade.
Have it on pretty good authority from over here that Jack Carroll will play this week. Walk up start to replace Setterfield on the wing.
Hopefully Silvagni and Kennedy are right to go. If McKay doesn't come up, one of them might have to be a forward option.
Surely Stocker gets a chance this week.
Not sure we have an ideal match up for Zurhaar either and he's a very dangerous sort. We have a habit of playing them back into form.
Do we roll the dice and play Mirkov this week especially if McKay is out? TDK can play second tall and ruck as well? They have Goldstein and Xerri and we've seen twice this year what happens when we get monstered in the ruck....we've lost both times.
Someone said Mirkov got injured in the VFL.
Can anyone confirm?
Have it on pretty good authority from over here that Jack Carroll will play this week. Walk up start to replace Setterfield on the wing.
Hopefully Silvagni and Kennedy are right to go. If McKay doesn't come up, one of them might have to be a forward option.
Surely Stocker gets a chance this week.
Not sure we have an ideal match up for Zurhaar either and he's a very dangerous sort. We have a habit of playing them back into form.
Do we roll the dice and play Mirkov this week especially if McKay is out? TDK can play second tall and ruck as well? They have Goldstein and Xerri and we've seen twice this year what happens when we get monstered in the ruck....we've lost both times.
Zurhaar is a tough hombre and I reckon Stocker is the ideal matchup, be nice to see Carroll get a game and hopefully get a run of games. I probably would have played him vs Freo in front of his family....No Pittonet means Mirkov has to play IMHO.
There are rumours going around the media that Pitto is done for 2022, not sure how they get this news so quickly.
As I mentioned in the game thread, I believe today Corey McKernan has come out and slammed the event that lead to Pitto's injury, these young rucks deliberately taking their eyes off the footy to use the shin guard to batter opponents has to be cracked down.
Looks like grundy has had a pittonet incident against essendon today and this will become topical.
Still not convinced about that. It's not as though Darcy was able to target Pitt's knee like a soldier firing an anti-tank missile.
There were 3 different angles showing the incident. One of them was from behind Pitt and watching it would raise concerns because Darcy's eyes were on Pitt as he ran in and only looked up at the last moment. But the camera on the side of the contest showed that both ruckmen were looking at each other and looked up at virtually the same time. In other words, they were both using the same standard technique.
Even before the ball is bounced, the ruckmen will keep close watch on the opponent to see if they shift around the circle. If this happens, you'll usually see the other ruckman respond by trying to match the movement.
Ruckmen also look at the other ruckman after the ball is bounced in order to adjust their approach if needs be. Is the opposing ruck going to stay down and try to rove your tap? Is he going to jump into you early? Is he going to run on an arc and come at you in an unexpected direction? Is he going to trick you by acting as if he's coming in hot with a knee only to run around you and watch you fly past when contact doesn't eventuate?
If Darcy had been trying to make contact with his knee/shin just so, even a small movement at the last moment from Pitt would have turned the tables on him. As I noted before, this isn't like a defender punching a forward in the ear in a marking contest. It's a toss up as to who will fare worse out of the contact.
I also don't think the shin guard was involved. In any event, the shin or the knee will do more damage than the shin guard. The shin guard isn't like the hard helmets used in NFL. The NFL had a problem with "crowning": players lowering their heads and using the top of the helmet to knock out an opponent. But shin guards aren't hard guards. They are somewhat flexible and are there only to reduce the damage from repeated clashes in the ruck. On the other hand, when players come back from broken hands or arms, permission has to be sought from the AFL to wear guards or casts over the injury that are harder than shin guards.
If the AFL wants to reduce knee-to-knee contact in the ruck contests, I doubt the answer would be prohibiting ruckmen from looking at each other. There's always peripheral vision anyway. The solution would be to reduce the size of the outer circle which currently has a radius of 5m. Reducing it to 3m would reduce the speed of the ruckmen at impact. It would also favour the ruckmen who, like TDK, have an excellent vertical leap or those like Sandilands who are very tall. I'd imagine that change would work against the Mumford-style ruckmen who rely on their physical strength and therefore I would suggest it would work against Pittonet.
If the AFL wants to reduce knee-to-knee contact in the ruck contests, I doubt the answer would be prohibiting ruckmen from looking at each other. There's always peripheral vision anyway. The solution would be to reduce the size of the outer circle which currently has a radius of 5m. Reducing it to 3m would reduce the speed of the ruckmen at impact. It would also favour the ruckmen who, like TDK, have an excellent vertical leap or those like Sandilands who are very tall. I'd imagine that change would work against the Mumford-style ruckmen who rely on their physical strength and therefore I would suggest it would work against Pittonet.
I don't mind that reduction in radius idea. Means the TDK types have an advantage at centre bounces but around the ground the gorillas get an advantage back. Ultimately if it reduces the knee to knee injuries why not.
I'm not sure of current or previous dimensions, but someone mentioned during coverage that the circle has indeed been reduced in the past.
Have it on pretty good authority from over here that Jack Carroll will play this week. Walk up start to replace Setterfield on the wing.
Hopefully Silvagni and Kennedy are right to go. If McKay doesn't come up, one of them might have to be a forward option.
Surely Stocker gets a chance this week.
Not sure we have an ideal match up for Zurhaar either and he's a very dangerous sort. We have a habit of playing them back into form.
Do we roll the dice and play Mirkov this week especially if McKay is out? TDK can play second tall and ruck as well? They have Goldstein and Xerri and we've seen twice this year what happens when we get monstered in the ruck....we've lost both times.
Jack Carroll deserves his chance - consistently in the bests when he plays. Stocker and Dow recalls would suit me fine with Kennedy and SOS back in too.
Does Mirkov get a run or do with go with TDK and JSOS as backup? If McKay doesn't get up for this week then I'd think Mirkov plays so that TDK can spend a bit of time forward as well?
Pitto definitely out.
Harry and Jack both a test to play.
Could be very slim pickings in the ruck this week.
Someone said Mirkov got injured in the VFL, but radio silence since then so perhaps a case of mistaken identity?
Jack Carroll deserves his chance - consistently in the bests when he plays. Stocker and Dow recalls would suit me fine with Kennedy and SOS back in too.
Agree on Carroll - looks a very likely type to me. Find him a wing and give him a run.
Does Mirkov get a run or do with go with TDK and JSOS as backup? If McKay doesn't get up for this week then I'd think Mirkov plays so that TDK can spend a bit of time forward as well?
Nth have two big rucks and Goldstein is quality so IMO Mirkov plays to at least provide a contest and spell TDK.
Xerri is more the Pittonet style of ruck who is solid and a contested type but wont be dominating many games unlike Goldstein who has good ruck skills and can be a nuisance down forward.
Mirkov can bang bodies with Xerri and TDK can jump over Goldy and thats how I'd be playing it...
Nth have two big rucks and Goldstein is quality so IMO Mirkov plays to at least provide a contest and spell TDK.
Xerri is more the Pittonet style of ruck who is solid and a contested type but wont be dominating many games unlike Goldstein who has good ruck skills and can be a nuisance down forward.
Mirkov can bang bodies with Xerri and TDK can jump over Goldy and thats how I'd be playing it...
Levi would suddenly be handy. While no issue saying his time was up here at the end of last year we do have a lack of ruck depth with him gone, which suddenly shows up now. Now he is up on the GC enjoying the sun and certainly having a good year thus far. Actually looking like a forward with some presence.
Mirkov can bang bodies with Xerri and TDK can jump over Goldy and thats how I'd be playing it...
We should have Goldstein covered when he goes forward: Lewis Young stands at 2.01m, the same as Goldstein. It's in our interests to develop Young as quickly as possible as a tall defender. This is exactly the sort of challenge we should throw his way and I expect Goldstein will still beat him in a few one-on-one contests as he's a bigger body and has the benefit of years of AFL footy behind him. We just need to support Young with a bit of team defence: a few decent blocks wouldn't be a bad idea and putting pressure on the kick into F50 wouldn't be a bad idea either.
We should have Goldstein covered when he goes forward: Lewis Young stands at 2.01m, the same as Goldstein. It's in our interests to develop Young as quickly as possible as a tall defender. This is exactly the sort of challenge we should throw his way and I expect Goldstein will still beat him in a few one-on-one contests as he's a bigger body and has the benefit of years of AFL footy behind him. We just need to support Young with a bit of team defence: a few decent blocks wouldn't be a bad idea and putting pressure on the kick into F50 wouldn't be a bad idea either.
I'd expect Coleman Jones who had a blinder in the VFL to come in for Nth and they might also include another tall in Charlie Comden on the bench with Larkey a bit sore so I would expect Young will have to take Coleman Jones initially.
Hoping Harry plays as with his brother Ben out for Nth they are light on for tall defenders with Tarrant now at Richmond.
Id expect our mids to dominate and keep the ball at our end which should help our defenders even if we get a few matchup problems down forward for Nth. One player who needs watching when he plays forward is Tarryn Thomas who ripped us a new one last time and is that awkward size where Newman would probably have to take him and thats problematic for me..
At the risk of unleashing the apocalypse, Plowman might be an option on Thomas. Maybe Stocker.
At the risk of unleashing the apocalypse, Plowman might be an option on Thomas. Maybe Stocker.
Not sure if Plowman had him last time 😧
Tend to agree with you EB....if neither McGovern or McDonald are available, Young has to play back....and we can't afford TDK to get monstered and knocked around again...or Silvagni in the ruck for that matter either. I'd be playing Mirkov and then resting TDK forward at times.
Our midfield should dominate but we did that against Freo too....5 of the leading possession getters were Carlton players. Without McKay they haven't got a lot of talls down back apart from Walker who's not that big anyway. Silvagni playing forward will make it even harder for them.
But Ziebell and Zurhaar forward worries me. Not sure we have players to match up too well on them as both of them are strong in the air. Parks may well get a reprieve for that reason alone.
Mirkov isn't ready imo.. Durdin was picking up at most 6-7 possessions at VFL then got a call up no way he was ready then and no way he is ready now. I am not the biggest fan playing youngsters too early. We have a long history burning youngsters too fast.
TDK needs to put on his boy pants and compete.. Hayes is doing it for Port I am sure Tommy will cope and perform.
Larkey kicked a bag last time then posted i think with Zurhaar some smartar5e comments on social media regarding Weitering not making the AA squad so I hope we get the points and rub their nose in it.
Ziebell is a danger man IMO - while he has been down on form he is a smart player who is very hard at the man - we need to pay very close attention to him as he is exactly the type of player that in the past even when out of form play a big match and turn there form around against us.
Overall, our mid's even with a losing ruckman will give our forwards plenty of entries. Our smalls in Fisher, Martin, Owies and Durdin must kick a bag of goals between them as they wont get much easier then this week.
I expect to win this one fairly comfortably and any loss will really make me wonder.
I expect to win this one fairly comfortably and any loss will really make me wonder.
@Shawny ... reckon it will do a LOT more than make you "wonder" :)
Not sure if Plowman had him last time 😧
IIRC, I never watched that game: my plan had been to watch the replay but it was such a horrible result that I never did. So I can't comment on who did what. I've checked out a clip of all NM's goals and it looks like most of Thomas' goals came when he was running thru the midfield. The only one that maybe Plowman had a hand in was the one where Thomas took the ball after it cleared Stocker, Jones & Weitering while Plowman was playing goalkeeper. It seemed from those clips that Plowman was mostly pitted against the talls rather than Thomas.
The 2nd goal came after a mark on the lead by Larkey ahead of Weitering, but I suspect that Weitering gave Plowman the death stare as he was filling the hole in front of Larkey nicely until he ran off to double up on Stevenson. Not sure whose man Larkey was at the time; there was a later occasion when Larkey played goal side of Plowman and a well-placed long kick got to him before Plowman could close him down.
There was one absolute howler from Weitering in there :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0hGAoZqSBQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0hGAoZqSBQ)
Larkey kicked a bag last time then posted i think with Zurhaar some smartar5e comments on social media regarding Weitering not making the AA squad so I hope we get the points and rub their nose in it.
Ziebell is a danger man IMO - while he has been down on form he is a smart player who is very hard at the man - we need to pay very close attention to him as he is exactly the type of player that in the past even when out of form play a big match and turn there form around against us.
Overall, our mid's even with a losing ruckman will give our forwards plenty of entries. Our smalls in Fisher, Martin, Owies and Durdin must kick a bag of goals between them as they wont get much easier then this week.
I expect to win this one fairly comfortably and any loss will really make me wonder.
Larkey and Zurhaar are best mates and I think it was Zurhaar who badly injured Liam Jones on the boundary line.
Like to see one of our blokes do same to him, a real smartarse who needs to be educated old school style.
Cunnington not playing is a positive, always have the impression Nth think they can intimidate us and I really want to beat them well and hit them hard all over the ground. Losing to Nth would be rock bottom, it can't happen..
Mirkov isn't ready imo.. Durdin was picking up at most 6-7 possessions at VFL then got a call up no way he was ready then and no way he is ready now. I am not the biggest fan playing youngsters too early. We have a long history burning youngsters too fast.
TDK needs to put on his boy pants and compete.. Hayes is doing it for Port I am sure Tommy will cope and perform.
Mirkov probably isn't ready, but we really need a second ruckman and Jack simply won't do. I'd play Mirkov again Xerri, who may have him in strength, but is a lot shorter. Get Mirkov to jump, and Xerri could be a metre or more below him.
I'd still prepare our mids to deal with a losing ruck scenario and I'd really like them to stand up.
I'd like someone to punish Zurhaar, but I don't think we have the sort of strong, tough defender to do the job. Most of our defenders are very much ball players.
To be honest, I'll be happy to win, considering our structural problems at the moment.
Zurhaar and Ziebell have form smashing our smaller players and we need to man the F up and put these hacker bullies back in their place. We must come ready to play.
Oh, and as darlings of the AFL expect a golden run for them as our players get scragged, manhandled, blocked and tunnelled all day.
Norf think we are weak, really weak, and so grow an extra leg against us. Be prepared for a humiliating loss. It will be a long, frustrating day watching this one.
I'd revel in the thought we could end ziebell's career once and for all. He's a dog
He's a lower creature than that, his hit on Aaron Joseph was reprehensible.
Zurhaar has committed a few atrocities as well... How he got away with pushing a player into the fence staggers me. I'd have banned him for life.
One mangy mongrel at a time ...
This is a danger game for us, not confident for the following reasons:
- injury to Pitto and maybe H
- NM are at an all time low, media bashing them are we have been known to give mobs a leg up when they need it, they may bounce back this week.
People here bagging Zeibel and Zurhaar, they the same type of ruthless kents Vossy was and he would have them in our side tomorrow.
People here bagging Zeibel and Zurhaar, they the same type of ruthless kents Vossy was and he would have them in our side tomorrow.
Ziebel is a bit old and slow, and hurts himself as much as he hurts others, but given an opportunity he won't hesitate to clean up Cripps, Walsh or Cerra across CHF.
I bet you can find Ziebell hanging back about 25m to 35m out from goal waiting for that cross to the Mid floating forward who will be side on to him, that's the type of target he and Zurhaar like, someone blind to their approach, or someone much much smaller!
Our problem is we really haven't got an enforcer, Zurhaar knows it, Ziebell knows it, it's almost a free hit against us!
Let's hope Carlton fans boo them relentlessly and perhaps supporters of other clubs will follow suit.
I'm not so much worried about the physical stuff that Ziebell and Zurhaar can dish out but the danger they present up forward as medium/marking types who can hit the scoreboard. Weitering took care of Taberner last week but blokes like Walters, Schultz and Switkowski kicked multiple goals and we didn't seem to have anyone capable of locking down on them. Stephenson is another one that will present a danger this week too.
Let's hope Carlton fans boo them relentlessly and perhaps supporters of other clubs will follow suit.
Many do already if you had bothered to notice it, after the Joseph hit our crowds did it consistently for several seasons, the same applied to Wellingham after the Simpson hit. Why didn't you notice it?
Perhaps they need to target the footy at a few cheer squads to get it rolling, and if they are lucky it will enable them to play the victim. ;D
Maybe it wasn't that loud or sustained. Did other clubs' supporters do the same too?
We should have Goldstein covered when he goes forward: Lewis Young stands at 2.01m, the same as Goldstein. It's in our interests to develop Young as quickly as possible as a tall defender. This is exactly the sort of challenge we should throw his way and I expect Goldstein will still beat him in a few one-on-one contests as he's a bigger body and has the benefit of years of AFL footy behind him. We just need to support Young with a bit of team defence: a few decent blocks wouldn't be a bad idea and putting pressure on the kick into F50 wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Play Young on Goldstein all day. If he's up forward (most of his day) he's on him, if he's in the ruck, he's on him, if he's on the bench, so is Young. Just give him that one project for the day and let TDK do the other ruck work and JSOS do his thing up forward.
Yep, that would do the trick too if Mirkov isn't up to it. But then we'd need someone to cover Xerri if he's rested in the forward line, though if Xerri isn't much chop as a forward Voss might prefer to run a rebounding defender off him.
Maybe it wasn't that loud or sustained. Did other clubs' supporters do the same too?
I doubt it, they didn't continue to act in a way inciting the crowd round after round after round against every opponent!
Perhaps if they had stooped to a weekly weak as piss act they might have been booed by all and sundry! :o
Why are Zeibel & Zurhaar only nasty to Carlton players? That doesn't make sense.
Why are Zeibel & Zurhaar only nasty to Carlton players? That doesn't make sense.
Who said they aren't nasty to others as well?
But then again I've never seen them react to the crowd, or have the media make an issue of it, they just get on with football and do not use it as an excuse as far as I can tell, maybe they like being the bad boy!
I never saw Hodge or Selwood react either, and they are / were relentlessly booed and sledged. It's a pity you seem oblivious to this, but perhaps not a surprise.
I'm still looking for the elusive ingredient that will take the booing to its resonant frequency.
I'm still looking for the elusive ingredient that will take the booing to its resonant frequency.
Sledging the crowd in some manner, with gesticulations or virtually, and leading them on to believe you can be distracted from your game by jeers seems to be the secret ingredient.
I would have thought it pretty obvious for the open minded!
That's one theory. There's another worth considering of course.
Why are Zeibel & Zurhaar only nasty to Carlton players? That doesn't make sense.
As LP said, they know they can get away with it because we play nice as do our supporters unless someone decides to throw imaginary spears at them and look to create a reaction for the cameras...
Thank God we don't play a NZ team or our supporters would freak out at the Haka.
As LP said, they know they can get away with it because we play nice as do our supporters unless someone decides to throw imaginary spears at them and look to create a reaction for the cameras...
Classic EB :)
Thank God we don't play a NZ team or our supporters would freak out at the Haka.
NZ teams probably dont politically pick and choose when to perform the Haka, maybe our supporters could have pretended to fire back with imaginary muskets for a bit of theatre just to play along.
That's how imaginary arms races start EB and you know it'll end up with an imaginary nuclear weapon.
That's how imaginary arms races start EB and you know it'll end up with an imaginary nuclear weapon.
Well that could be useful to some, after all there are those who have already perfected the flop and roll! ;D
And where was Captain Carlton when all that was going on? By the way, what's his super power again?
................., maybe our supporters could have pretended to fire back with imaginary muskets for a bit of theatre just to play along.
I can just imagine a few players dropping like they have been shot! :o
Hawkins, Cotchin, ...., can you think of anybody else?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUhWTMBzlkg
I'm still looking for the elusive ingredient that will take the booing to its resonant frequency.
Ask Nathan Buckley why he used to get booed regardless of the opposition.
That elusive ingredient has been staring you in the face the entire time.
1. The media
2. Simultaneously pointing the finger at the entire AFL fanbase.
I know you have tunnel vision, but look outside of Goodes for a second.
Can you explain why he was booed, but no other person of the same colour was?
If fans are purely racist, why were they only racist towards him?
The simplest answer is often the right one.....because it was never about his colour to begin with!!!
I think I have a simpler answer.
Most of the AFL cheered Winmar, only the Filth fans booed him!
I think I have a simpler answer.
Too simple.
It falls down, like your entire argument, because you cannot answer this question, no matter how many times its been asked.
Can you explain why he was booed, but no other person of the same colour was?
If fans are purely racist, why were they only racist towards him?
Too simple? I thought you said the simplest answer is often the right one ...
Too simple? I thought you said the simplest answer is often the right one ...
...and doesn't matter how much spin and deflection you attempt, you can not distract from the fact you continue to avoid the question posed to you.
Give it up, you've been exposed.
Goodes was not booed and continued to be booed because of racists, because those same people failed to boo others during the same games.
Goodes was a flog and was exposed for it. Im sorry you bought into the propaganda spread by him and the media.
Wow, I didn't realise there were other outspoken Indigenous Australians of the Year playing in the same games. If only he'd kept quiet and smiled a lot he could have flown under the radar too.
Wow, I didn't realise there were other outspoken Indigenous Australians of the Year playing in the same games. If only he'd kept quiet and smiled a lot he could have flown under the radar too.
Refusal to answer the question #7.
Ok, so it's because he was Australian of the year now?
So why was he not booed before he infuriated the crowd?
Perhaps he was booed because he wore #37.
Perhaps he was booed because he played for Sydney.
Perhaps he was booed because he was a flog who poked the bear and then continued to do so, claiming racism because that's easier then looking at the alternative.
Much easier to play the blame game than admit fault.
The more he cried racism, the more people let him know he was a flog for suggesting it.
Racists are racists and no other player got booed in the same manner because no other player acted like such a flog.
Yep, other indigenous Australians got off lightly: they only had to deal with racist comments. Winning.
Carlton - North Melb pregame thread huh?
This is a big test for us. We win this and we are back on track. We lose the wheels start to fall off the season.
Carlton - North Melb pregame thread huh?
Yep, apparently as implied below if we fail to boo Ziebel and Zurhaar until our throats are sore, and then all other clubs fail to follow suit, we as AFL supporters are all certified racists!
Let's hope Carlton fans boo them relentlessly and perhaps supporters of other clubs will follow suit.
Let it go LP.
@mav, @lp, @krudd you guys aren't going to change each others mind. Agree to disagree and move on.
Go Blues :o
This is a big test for us. We win this and we are back on track. We lose the wheels start to fall off the season.
This should be a easy win, that's the reality if we are finals material.
Nth are down on numbers, playing miserably and now the coach is under pressure from the media.
You crush teams like Nth and build your percentage, no self doubts just get out there play with them for a half then kick a 10 goal 3rd quarter and treat them with the contempt they deserve being the rabble they are.
That's how the old Carlton would do it..
The secret to this game is to go very hard from the start and get them believing that they have no chance by half time. If we let them stay in the match on the scoreboard, they will be hard to shake in the second half. Sydney had the same problem.
Before changing the rules, Cripps used to be quite effective as the third man up in ruck contests around the ground. I'm not sure why we have smaller players trying to out muscle larger ruckmen in the ruck. Is there any reason why we can't have our ruckman running in from the side when contesting at stoppages around the ground? If anything it could nullify the effect of the bigger opposition ruckman and lead to an even contest. Of course, if we set up for such a play, it could be advantageous to us.
This strategy wouldn't be used for centre ruck contests, which TDK should be capable of handling (with some assistance), but around the ground, I think it can help.
Before changing the rules, Cripps used to be quite effective as the third man up in ruck contests around the ground. I'm not sure why we have smaller players trying to out muscle larger ruckmen in the ruck. Is there any reason why we can't have our ruckman running in from the side when contesting at stoppages around the ground? If anything it could nullify the effect of the bigger opposition ruckman and lead to an even contest. Of course, if we set up for such a play, it could be advantageous to us.
This strategy wouldn't be used for centre ruck contests, which TDK should be capable of handling (with some assistance), but around the ground, I think it can help.
Yes I agree, we discussed this before it's really obvious, and it really doesn't matter what direction they come from there is no rule that says they have to run towards the boundary line other than avoiding front on contact.
Part of the problem is AFL coaches and ruck coaches are mostly inbreed and stick to the same old same old. Another part of the problem is the coaches want to control the space in and under the ruck contest, so they drill and coach players into the close quarters type combat and leave the outside open for a fast breakaway.
Under the current rules is dead-set obvious smaller mobile or high jumping rucks should deliberately stand off the opposition ruck, they can signal they are competing then back off 5m or so and take a serious run at the zone under the fall of the ball, even running in an arc.
If the opposition blocks / shepherds them away from the fall of the ball it's an automatic free, if the opposition ruck follows them it becomes a foot race and the wrestling is partly diminished.
By the same token, if bigger slower rucks are strong enough to stand under the fall of the ball and defend that space they should be allowed to do so, provided they do not shepherd the opponent away from the fall of the ball.
Xerri out with a foot injury and Ben McKay out suspended, maybe our fortunes have turned, especially if BigH gets up and plays.
They're the worst team in the comp, have lost 2 games by more than 10 goals and another game by over 100 points.
Their only win was against the West Coast reserves literally.
If we don't win this then you can write this year off.
If we don't win this then you can write this year off.
In fairness, I think some of their major losses were triggered by COVID H&S issues and they never really recovered momentum from that.
To me across AFL there is not as much difference between the bottom of the barrel and the top of the tree, it's mostly a headspace and attitude issue, no better example than Melbourne that have the same basic list as they had in 2019 when they finished 17th yet now those same players look unbeatable. This week the Dees got COVID, how will they fair?
If you take any team lightly you'll get pumped, we've played killer quarters but I'm yet to see us develop a killer instinct.
I think the reluctance to say that we should win is driven to a large degree by magical thinking: if those who post on this site state the obvious, the fates will punish us by ensuring Carlton loses. I'm assuming here that the players don't avidly read this thread. Let's hope at the least that LOB, Setterfield and Boyd don't or else they'll need therapy.
I'm happy to endorse MBB's point. I've never been the slightest bit superstitious and I won't even need to say "touch wood". Our pessimism or optimism won't affect the outcome. Yes, it's always possible there'll be a boilover. But NM has been holding up the ladder for a few seasons now and there's a reason for that. If we lose we're in a world of hurt and that prospect should be enough to motivate our players.
The greater cause for concern is the media dumping on NM from a great height, for instance on Footy Classified last night. If NM can't react to that with at least some sustained effort, then they truly are a mess.
Word out of Perth last week from those who were within earshot, was that the paint was pealing off the walls straight after the game with Vossy delivering an old fashioned 70's / Barassi like bake to the group!!
I'm happy to endorse MBB's point. I've never been the slightest bit superstitious and I won't even need to say "touch wood".
The greater cause for concern is the media dumping on NM from a great height, for instance on Footy Classified last night. If NM can't react to that with at least some sustained effort, then they truly are a mess.
I'm not sure the two sentences are self-consistent.
But NM has been holding up the ladder for a few seasons now and there's a reason for that. If we lose we're in a world of hurt and that prospect should be enough to motivate our players.
You do know that Norp have defeated us 6 out of the last 7 times we've meet, 3 times when they were below us on the ladder!
We've been the archetypal "bunny" for Norp for many years now, I'm hoping Voss can change that, it would be a further confirmation that we are on the right path.
But fans expecting a percentage boosting win might be a tad disrespectful, and the idea we can toss the season on the shizen heap if we lose is extreme to say the least!
I'm not sure the two sentences are self-consistent.
The media can impact a club as journos and commentators pile on. It would be hard for clubs to insulate players from the media coverage, so it will have some sort of effect on the players. Coaches might use it to motivate their players in an "us vs. them" way in the hope they'll put in a big effort or ask their players to ignore it. But it's an external factor that must be addressed. On the other hand, the thoughts of posters on CSC which are never communicated to players can't have any effect on them. The only way they might is via magical thinking that merely expressing confidence will lead to Carlton's downfall.
By the way, let's look at the team NM fielded against us in their big win in 2018 (with the names of players who didn't play last week for NM in bold):
Anderson, Jed
Atley, Shaun
Brown, Ben
Clarke, Ryan
Cunnington, Ben
Davies-Uniacke, Luke
Daw, Majak
Dumont, Trent
Goldstein, Todd
Hartung, Billy
Higgins, Shaun
Jacobs, Ben
Macmillan, Jamie
McDonald, Luke
Simpkin, Jy
Tarrant, Robbie
Thompson, Scott
Turner, Kayne
Vickers-Willis, Ed
Waite, Jarrad
Williams, Marley
Ziebell, Jack
This is why this notion of there being some sort of consistent through-line showing that NM has the "wood" over us is nonsensical.
In fact, this is one of the points that Footy Classified made last night. These are the players NM lost over the last 2 years:
2020: Ahern, Daw, Durdin, Hosie, Jacobs, MacMillan, Pittard, Vickers-Willis, Williams, Wood, Higgins, Brown
2021: Campbell, Atley, Dumont, Garner, Menadue, Tyson, Garner, Menadue, Tyson, Walker, Tarrant.
Ross Lyon thought that by losing half of their list over 2 seasons, NM has traded the present for the future and their young players aren't showing that they can fill out the team.
This NM side isn't the one from 3 years ago and by the way the Carlton team isn't the one from 3 years ago either (thank God).
Nth smashed us in the ruck last time and their mids led by Simpkin and Cunnington tore us a new one.
Anderson and McDonald tied a few of our prime movers up and Larkey played a blinder on a tired looking Weitering who didn't have the leg speed to go with him.
We didn't have Pittonet it was TDK on his lonesome so same deal as this time probably.Cunnington is a big loss for them given he always seems to play well vs us and is their midfield leader.
I'd expect the same tactics and we are better equipped with Kennedy back and Hewett in the middle to cope with their tagging and contested ball game which surprised us last time. Anderson if he plays will find a fitter, leaner Cripps and I don't see Weitering allowing Larkey to get of the leash like last time.
Blues by 50 points.......
Their debutant from last week, Paul Curtis, was a guy I threw into the mix when we were discussing small forward prospects prior to last year's draft. He plays in the style of Robbie Gray (which doesn't mean he is or will be as good as him). He also has the advantage of wearing an impenetrable exoskeleton of self-confidence which means he won't go back into his shell at any stage. Last year, he bobbed up with 4 goals in 15 minutes in the 3rd quarter to drag Western Jets to a come-from-behind win against Sandy Dragons. We need one of our many half-back flankers to lock him down.
Their debutant from last week, Paul Curtis, was a guy I threw into the mix when we were discussing small forward prospects prior to last year's draft. He plays in the style of Robbie Gray (which doesn't mean he is or will be as good as him). He also has the advantage of wearing an impenetrable exoskeleton of self-confidence which means he won't go back into his shell at any stage. Last year, he bobbed up with 4 goals in 15 minutes in the 3rd quarter to drag Western Jets to a come-from-behind win against Sandy Dragons. We need one of our many half-back flankers to lock him down.
Good call on Curtis, reminds me of a baby Lindsay Thomas minus the flopping and has that same style left foot kick on him, we like starting kids careers and our small defenders couldnt guard an elephant if it was trapped in a telephone box.
Hopefully the ball doesnt get down their end too much and Curtis doesnt get too many opportunities..
Word out of Perth last week from those who were within earshot, was that the paint was pealing off the walls straight after the game with Vossy delivering an old fashioned 70's / Barassi like bake to the group!!
Did any of the players start crying?
In: Jack Silvagni, Liam Stocker, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kennedy
Out: Jordan Boyd (Omitted), Luke Parks (Injured), Marc Pittonet (Injured), Matthew Cottrell (Omitted), Will Setterfield (Omitted)
Emerg: Will Setterfield, Jack Carroll, Lachie Plowman, Matthew Cottrell
Word out of Perth last week from those who were within earshot, was that the paint was pealing off the walls straight after the game with Vossy delivering an old fashioned 70's / Barassi like bake to the group!!
Surely someone had a phone going?
And don't call me Shirley!😝
Might be hard with one ruck unless Young is keen.
In: Jack Silvagni, Liam Stocker, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kennedy
Out: Jordan Boyd (Omitted), Luke Parks (Injured), Marc Pittonet (Injured), Matthew Cottrell (Omitted), Will Setterfield (Omitted)
Emerg: Will Setterfield, Jack Carroll, Lachie Plowman, Matthew Cottrell
Happy with most of that. Think Newnes and Owies are lucky not to be included in the outs, but I guess you can't make too many changes. Can you?
In: Jack Silvagni, Liam Stocker, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kennedy
Out: Jordan Boyd (Omitted), Luke Parks (Injured), Marc Pittonet (Injured), Matthew Cottrell (Omitted), Will Setterfield (Omitted)
Emerg: Will Setterfield, Jack Carroll, Lachie Plowman, Matthew Cottrell
I hope Carroll is the sub, but I expect it to be Plowman or Cottrell.
Our defence is not looking overly tall, nor is it looking strong. McGovern's return can't come quickly enough, as it gives us more balance.
Not sure I would have picked Lochie O'Brien, even with his good form last week. I would have preferred him doing it hard two weeks in a row before he got promoted.
With Kennedy back and fit, it allows us to use one of our mids as a forward, with both Cripps and Kennedy having the height to cause problems. That assumes that Kennedy is 100%.
The same goes for Jack: he gives us options, but he has to be fully fit. I hate it when we play guys who are not 100%: it is a recipe for disaster.
Setters is going to have to show a lot at VFL level, something he hasn't done yet. That bodes poorly for hm.
Happy with most of that. Think Newnes and Owies are lucky not to be included in the outs, but I guess you can't make too many changes. Can you?
Dow must surely be making new plans for next year and beyond. He mustn't be rated and must have been told as much. There have been some dead set spuds getting a game ahead of him, he must be shattered.
Backs: Nic Newman Lewis Young Liam Stocker
Half-backs: Adam Saad Jacob Weitering Sam Docherty
Centreline: Lochie O'Brien Patrick Cripps Jack Newnes
Half-forwards: Zac Fisher Charlie Curnow Jack Martin
Forwards: Sam Walsh Harry McKay Corey Durdin
Followers: Tom De Koning George Hewett Adam Cerra
Interchange: Matthew Kennedy Matthew Owies Jack Silvagni Zac Williams
Emergencies: Jack Carroll Matthew Cottrell Lachie Plowman Will Setterfield
Happy with most of that. Think Newnes and Owies are lucky not to be included in the outs, but I guess you can't make too many changes. Can you?
Likewise... Newnes should buy a Tattslotto ticket.
Dow must surely be making new plans for next year and beyond. He mustn't be rated and must have been told as much. There have been some dead set spuds getting a game ahead of him, he must be shattered.
Totally agree. He had a good run early days but has been out of favour over the last few years despite imo showing some decent performances.
Unless he has a bad attitude or is a poor trainer he should be getting game time at the moment.
Dow should probably have gotten a gig last week. Might have cost us the game really.
Finally, voss has woken up to setterfield. And yep, Dow can consider himself unlucky.
Dow must surely be making new plans for next year and beyond. He mustn't be rated and must have been told as much. There have been some dead set spuds getting a game ahead of him, he must be shattered.
Indeed. Wish we knew the whole story around this. Thought things might be different with a new coach but apparently not? Has he told the club he is definitely going at season's end and we've decided to use the old "
play him towards the end of the year to get his currency up for a decent trade" trick.
Some good ins, the outs fairly predictable, Agree with Cap ,Setterfield been lucky to play as many as he has imo.Dow unlucky and hard to fathom why he is on the outer, worth trying on the wing where we are struggling to find consistent players.
Happy with the ins and outs (apart from Pitt) but I have great concerns re our ruck division. Hopefully Jack won't be called upon again to play too much of his game filling in there?? I would think he'd provide much better value up fwd.
Some good ins, the outs fairly predictable, Agree with Cap ,Setterfield been lucky to play as many as he has imo.Dow unlucky and hard to fathom why he is on the outer, worth trying on the wing where we are struggling to find consistent players.
Agree, the Dow situation is mysterious. Wonder if he's after joining his bro at the Tiggers?
NM's 2 forced changes will help us too. Ben McKay is out thru suspension and no tall defender has replaced him. And Xerri is out injured and he's replaced by Colman-Jones who might be a 200cm Forward/Ruck but he has hardly set the world on fire. He's their 4th best ruckman behind Xerri, Goldstein and Edwards. This year, he has only played the 1st game against Hawthorn when he had an amazing 4 disposals, 1 mark and 2 hit outs (with Xerri & Goldstein shouldering the bulk of the ruck duties).
Happy with the ins and outs (apart from Pitt) but I have great concerns re our ruck division. Hopefully Jack won't be called upon again to play too much of his game filling in there?? I would think he'd provide much better value up fwd.
SOS will need to ruck because we dropped our ruck from last week… Setterfield.
Has anyone ever seen the two McKays in the same room ?
Our defence is unsettled and at times too reactive/loose. Like others, I think McG’s composure and skill is sorely missed. IMO that’s contributing to Weiters ultra defensiveness. Until Young and McG have some runs on the board, this is our Achilles heel. Even against NM. How quickly our strength becomes our weakness. I’m looking forward to see how Stocker goes. Hopefully he’ll hit the ground running and stiffen up the defence.
That said. I have some confidence our mids will win the battle and minimise the pressure on the backs.
Go Blues
Docherty on the Dow situation.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/04/28/docherty-reveals-why-former-top-draftee-hasnt-played-afl-in-2022/
With no opening in sight to break into the talented on-ball mix, Docherty admitted the club had looked at other roles for Dow.
However, Carlton are wary of playing too many players out of position.
“There are bits and pieces around of (Dow) potentially having to play other roles that he’s going to work on and whatnot,” Docherty continued.
“But when it comes down to it, Dowy (Dow) is an inside midfielder and that’s where he plays his best footy and unfortunately there are only 18 players on the field, 22 that play, you can’t just keep throwing in inside midfielders.”
Docherty on the Dow situation.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/04/28/docherty-reveals-why-former-top-draftee-hasnt-played-afl-in-2022/
Load of nonsense
Nothing anybody says will convince me that it makes more sense playing Newnes on the wing in priority to Dow
Load of nonsense
Nothing anybody says will convince me that it makes more sense playing Newnes on the wing in priority to Dow
Different running patterns.
Not the same gig being at the rucks feet V out on the wing.
Different running patterns.
Not the same gig being at the rucks feet V out on the wing.
Yes but surely he’s better than Newnes on the wing?
Load of nonsense
Nothing anybody says will convince me that it makes more sense playing Newnes on the wing in priority to Dow
Dow on the wing for me too and needs a run of games not just a couple then dropped back to the VFL. We have invested in the kid and I'm not keen on trading him out unless we get real value back...
Yes but surely he’s better than Newnes on the wing?
Not if he’s not getting to the right space or not running hard enough, or maybe not supplying a way out of defence, let alone setting up attacks.
Fisher is the other one imo that is very lucky again to hold his spot. His best is good no doubt but should you hold your place week after week when you on average play a decent game if your lucky 1 in every 3 weeks.
I was a fan but I’ve given him more time then most to show what he can bring and yet we get the same output year after year. He has been in the system long enough to play consistent footy.
Same re Fisher ... not up to it and well short of what I expected.
Dow has struggled on the wing in the past.
Dow has struggled on the wing in the past.
Give him a decent chance, run him on the wing and change with an inside mid. In any case, this problem won't exist soon as he will move on elsewhere.
Dow has struggled on the wing in the past.
True but he needs a decent run at it and I think he might be better now we have a deeper midfield with Hewett and Cerra.Its one of the few positions we don't have cemented with regulars on either wing..
If Jack Carroll isn't the medical sub this week and either of Cottrell or Setterfield is, I will spew up (no pun intended).
Dow is not very good on the wing - half forward would be more his thing.
If Jack Carroll isn't the medical sub this week and either of Cottrell or Setterfield is, I will spew up (no pun intended).
Agree, Carroll has some decent skills and should be a good long term player.
Don't see either Cottrell or Setterfield improving or staying on the list..
Walsh and Cerra make more sense on the wing than Dow. The problem with Dow is, if he isn't having a good game in the middle, there is literally no where else to play him into form even for a spell. He isnt a good finisher to play forward, and I think isnt a wing player. Setterfield isnt much better, but Setterfield has a better aerial game and is taller than Dow and if you arent a silky skills winger with a good engine, then you need to be a marking target, and Dow isnt either of those.
His problem is simply that he is too one dimensional, and I think Docherty has that spot on. We gain more by putting Stocker into the mix, and playing Docherty, Saad or even maybe Newman on the wings, than we do pushing Dow out there.
I'm really not sure what the point of the Docherty comments was....
You would have to think it was OK'd by the club, but what's the message?
Is it directed at the fans or at Dow?
Dow's busting a gut and playing well at VFL level...so it can't be asking him to do more?
In ours and Dow's mind it clearly indicates that Docherty (and by extension, the club) rates him well down the list.
It also indicates that the likelihood of Dow reinventing himself to claim another position is quite unlikely.
Does Dow take all this onboard.
How does it impact on his relationship with Docherty.
The only positive in the comments is that Dow will likely get a chance at some stage, but he needs to grasp that opportunity when it arises.
Long term I can't see Dow at Carlton next year.
Problem is, will other clubs get an appreciation of his worth languishing in the VFL.
Nailed it Thry!
You could play Walsh or Cerra on the wing with a defensive winger on the other side. That would still mean Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy, Dow and one of Walsh and Cerra rotating through the midfield and resting forward. Fisher would have to go.
I guess Newnes keeps his spot as a steady defensive winger. I’d prefer Cottrell’s ability to pull off contested possessions against the odds but Newnes is more reliable if less damaging. Setters is stiff, particularly after his efforts in the ruck 🙄
Hindsight is great but Levi would have been handy. Giving preference to McDonald made sense, but we didn’t bank on his injury woes.
There are no easy wins but I think this is a good time for us to play North.
Walsh can play wing like ge did in his first season but he will be sacrificing his game for the team and Dow.
Dow has struggled on the wing in the past.
When he comes back in , he needs to be given every opportunity to succeed, not just fill a vacant space in the team. The wing will not give him that opportunity. We will have injuries in the coming weeks andf he will get his chance. It is then up to him to take that chance.
Hewett out with corky, Carroll to debut.
It seems we are destined to lose 10% of the players in the selected team each week. A bit of stability would be nice.
When he comes back in , he needs to be given every opportunity to succeed, not just fill a vacant space in the team. The wing will not give him that opportunity. We will have injuries in the coming weeks andf he will get his chance. It is then up to him to take that chance.
Midfield won't either, he won't be displacing any of our core group and would be just a temp fix.
We don't have permanent wingers and those spots are up for grabs, he can be free to run and use his pace.
If he doesn't cement a place this season he will be gone at seasons end.
Hewett out with corky, Carroll to debut.
Finally get to see JC on the big stage. Stocker and Carroll ins are huge for me.
Finally get to see JC on the big stage. Stocker and Carroll ins are huge for me.
Just hope that:
1. They can impact the game
2. They get through unscathed.
Pleased to see Carroll but Hewett is a big loss imo.
Happy for Jack on his debut, but again this a smack in the face for Dow. People say he cant play wing coz he's an inside mid. We lose an inside mid and still no Dow. Papers are stamped.
Apparently McG has re-injured the hammy.
Can it get any worse?
Voss describes Carroll as tough, can't imagine a better compliment for Carroll especially coming from a player of the ilk of Voss!
If Voss reckons you are tough, it means something!
Just worry when the likes of Voss states that publicly it will put a target on young Carroll's back that the knuckle draggers likes of Ziebell or Zurhaar cannot resist!
Apparently McG has re-injured the hammy.
Can it get any worse?
Prof, Look at his history, plays about 13-14 games a season and misses the others with injury, ditto for Martin.
Have we ever, EVER played with a full strength team in the last 20yrs?
No player injured?
Talk about the footy gods against us!
Happy to see Carroll get a game but Hewett out you would think Dow in would be like for like
Have ever, EVER played with a full strength team in the last 20yrs?
No player injured?
Talk about the footy gods against us!
No.
I was just saying how our shaky defence will be improved with McG. Embarrassingly I also said our mids will minimise pressure on backs.
I better shut it 🤐
Good luck to Jack Carroll. I hope it’s a day for great memories. Full stop🤐
Apparently McG has re-injured the hammy.
Can it get any worse?
Yep Charlie can re injure his knee and Walsh can reinjure his foot
Yep Charlie can re injure his knee and Walsh can reinjure his foot
Wash your mouth out Shawny 🙄
Apparently McG has re-injured the hammy.
Can it get any worse?
Yes, when we lose to NM the players stand around laughing while shaking hands after the game. >:(
Voss describes Carroll as tough, can't imagine a better compliment for Carroll especially coming from a player of the ilk of Voss!
If Voss reckons you are tough, it means something!
Just worry when the likes of Voss states that publicly it will put a target on young Carroll's back that the knuckle draggers likes of Ziebell or Zurhaar cannot resist!
If those two (the Z's) try the mongrel act I'm pretty confident that a Voss coached team knows how to deal with it... firstly, don't let it take your focus off the game. As for those who can effectively remonstrate and depending on where it happens, I'd expect Crippa, Doc, Stocks, SOJ, H and a couple of others to fly the flag. And there's JC himself, not shy by a long shot.
That's why Diesel was so good. Pity he never sent Denham to the afterlife
That's why Diesel was so good. Pity he never sent Denham to the afterlife
I'll never forget that day, one that lives in infamy, to paraphrase FDR.
Not sure I get the pessimism re this game. Yes, the Wallaroos will come hard after their disastrous past coupla weeks, but we're also coming off a very disappointing loss. We've got some good ins to replace a coupla gooduns (Pits, Hewey) and some non-hackers. Plus this is the mob that humiliated us last year... that'll dwell with discomfort in some.
I just hope we don't make hard work of it. Boldness and speed on the aggot will have this mob doubting themselves in no time as they rely on slowing the game into an ugly rolling pack.
I know people are worried about us not having an enforcer but cripps has stopped flopping around looking for frees and is taking no prisoners throwing his weight around. A 195cm midfield bull who will hurt you the next time you get the footy. Yeah let's beat up his mates.
That's why Diesel was so good. Pity he never sent Denham to the afterlife
Apparently, Diesel's retaliation cost Denham his sense of smell, so Denham didn't get to use Diesel as a punching bag for free.
Have we ever, EVER played with a full strength team in the last 20yrs?
No player injured?
Talk about the footy gods against us!
Not once in the last 20 years, and probably not for a few years before that.
Last 20 games
WLLLLLLWLWLWWLLLLLWL
Prepare yourselves.
I see what happened tonight in Perth and think why the F@$k can't we do the same thing tomorrow night.
Time will tell
If we have improved which I believe we have we should get this game under control early and run away with a comfortable win.
Issue is our club has found a way to make these sorts of games stressful for us fans. Come to think of it when was the last time we played a bottom team and had a comfortable win ?
Been that long
West Coast are stuffed ... for years
West Coast are stuffed ... for years
Agree...I reckon a 5 year rebuild with a new coach and they will need to hit the draft hard. They have a massive membership and are a wealthy club so I'd expect them to be able to be successful with rebuilding and not have the problems other clubs have when you hit rock bottom.
SPS still runs around loose and refuses to kick the ball more than 12 metres.... Don't think we're missing much there.
SPS still runs around loose and refuses to kick the ball more than 12 metres.... Don't think we're missing much there.
Agree, short dinky kicks which rack up stats but don't really do much for the team.
Agree...I reckon a 5 year rebuild with a new coach and they will need to hit the draft hard. They have a massive membership and are a wealthy club so I'd expect them to be able to be successful with rebuilding and not have the problems other clubs have when you hit rock bottom.
They will be out raiding the lists of other clubs.
Staggered they didn't chuck huge money at Cripps, staggered.
They will be out raiding the lists of other clubs.
They can have Fisher.
Staggered they didn't chuck huge money at Cripps, staggered.
They threw money at Kelly as well as draft picks and got burnt with him being injured all the time. It will happen and I'm sure they will wave the cheque book around to try and attract some ex WA player from other clubs but they probably need to draft some top kids first and lay the foundations as well as pick a coach who can rebuild.
WC is one of the better coaching jobs and they should be able to tempt someone decent to rebuild the list...
I dont quite understand what has happened to west coast. The players they played last night should have fared way better. Forward line is ok. Midfield is ok. Backline is ok. Just inexplicable.
So back to our game....
UPDATE: Will Setterfield (previously listed as an emergency) has been withdrawn from the full squad of 26 due to illness. Paddy Dow & Brodie Kemp come into the full squad, joining Lachie Plowman & Matthew Cottrell as the 4 emergencies & potential subs.
So back to our game....
Sorry he is ill, but lucky it wasn't another player from the starting 18 ::)
Sorry he is ill, but lucky it wasn't another player from the starting 18 ::)
He would've been my pick for the sub as he offers some versatility in terms of what he can cover.
That being said, now we have Dow and Kemp as possibly sub options....and Kemp is my ideal sub for the same reasons.
*fingers crossed*
Cottrell and Plowman not in the 2's
Cottrell and Plowman not in the 2's
Looks like LoB into the squad for Setterfield.
Freo rolling Geelong in Geelong makes be feel a little better about last week. They're the real deal. Didn't expect to be winning there at this stage of our development. Still, liked to have been a bit better.
Plowman in, Williams out with an achilles.
Cottrell medical sub.
Plowman in, Williams out with an achilles.
Cottrell medical sub.
Prepare yourselves