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Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #60
Jack's unlucky to be dropped
But it may be the emphasis is now on giving us the best possible side to win the game and development will take a back seat for a while.

In  a discussion between which player can give us the most.....
If you're picking on effort and attitude Jack gets it every time.
Murphy gives us more in other areas, possessions, territory gained

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=1607&pid2=4144&fid1=S&fid2=S

Now we can argue their relative merits until we're blue in the face but the match committee have made a decision and they'll wear the consequences.

So far their record is outstanding ;D

I suspect there's a different dynamic at play now...wins will take precedence over development for the rest of the year.
Teams will be selected on who they regard as the best available.
Forget the emergencies...they're probably unlikely to play.
Ben Silvagni is a token gesture

(Edit: If it is a typo that makes sense and they'll both probably play)

fair enough call.  it's about time in my book that the match committee focused on winning the game in front of us rather than future games.  if their plans have murph's inclusion giving us a greater chance of winning this week, then i'm all for it. it's a good sign that we're upgrading a good performer rather than dumping a complete hack. jack will get another go when his form and team balance demand it. 

i like Jack's endeavor for sure - and if he can tidy up a few parts of his game i think he'll be a valuable role player for the side. he just needs to stick a few more marks, and kick at goal a fair bit better for the type of role he plays, coz he ain't a zippy goal sneak.  a run in the 2's won't hurt him where hopefully he'll get more opportunity to practice those skills more often and against lesser opponents.  Build up his strength and confidence.  he's a fringe player until he can really nail something.  fyi - i really like the way he has a crack and hope he does become a regular on his merit. 

murph - i get both sides of the story.  certainly doesn't show the same willingness as Jack, but there's all types of willingness, and he has his moments where he wills himself to do something special.  i think the short answer is that murph gives us more run around the ground, and he does have more score involvements than Jack, and he's not even a forward.  he's been a very good player for us in the past, and i think he's still a pretty good player.  he knows that pressure will start coming from below, which i hope fires him up to finish his career with some good games and some wins.


Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #61
The reason why Teague selected him is because he wants him in the team
The reason why Bolton used to select him is because he wanted him in the team
The reason why Barker used to select him is because he wanted him in the team
The reason why Malthouse used to select him is because he wanted him in the team
The reason why Ratten used to select him is because he wanted him in the team
The reason why Pagan used to select him is because he wanted him in the team

There's no conspiracy, there's no mystery. There's no head scratching required.

All failed and sacked.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!


Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #63
Agree re Jack, very stiff. From what I saw he deserved to keep his spot
I agree. He is the pressure man in our front half and he isn't far away.

CARLTON
B: Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank, Sam Petrevski-Seton
HB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas
C: Will Setterfield, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: David Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Ed Curnow
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Levi Casboult
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Zac Fisher
Int: Michael Gibbons, Lochie O'Brien, Paddy Dow, Nic Newman

EMG: Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Lobbe

IN: Marc Murphy

OUT: Jack Silvagni (Omitted)

WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: Jason Johannisen, Jackson Trengove, Bailey Williams
HB: Caleb Daniel, Zaine Cordy, Easton Wood
C: Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Patrick Lipinski
HF: Matthew Suckling, Ryan Gardner, Sam Lloyd
F: Marcus Bontempelli, Aaron Naughton, Tory Dickson
R: Tim English, Josh Dunkley, Jack Macrae
Int: Bailey Smith, Hayden Crozier, Toby McLean, Bailey Dale

EMG Rhylee West, Fletcher Roberts, Callum Porter, Lachie Young

IN: Tory Dickson, Hayden Crozier
OUT: Billy Gowers (Injured), Lachie Young (Omitted
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #64
I agree. He is the pressure man in our front half and he isn't far away.

CARLTON
B: Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank, Sam Petrevski-Seton
HB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas
C: Will Setterfield, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: David Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Ed Curnow
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Levi Casboult
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Zac Fisher
Int: Michael Gibbons, Lochie O'Brien, Paddy Dow, Nic Newman

EMG: Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Lobbe

IN: Marc Murphy

OUT: Jack Silvagni (Omitted)

WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: Jason Johannisen, Jackson Trengove, Bailey Williams
HB: Caleb Daniel, Zaine Cordy, Easton Wood
C: Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Patrick Lipinski
HF: Matthew Suckling, Ryan Gardner, Sam Lloyd
F: Marcus Bontempelli, Aaron Naughton, Tory Dickson
R: Tim English, Josh Dunkley, Jack Macrae
Int: Bailey Smith, Hayden Crozier, Toby McLean, Bailey Dale

EMG Rhylee West, Fletcher Roberts, Callum Porter, Lachie Young

IN: Tory Dickson, Hayden Crozier
OUT: Billy Gowers (Injured), Lachie Young (Omitted

Bulldogs team is much better than last time, they have more size with Trengove, Gardiner and a much more dangerous look IMO...dont agree with Jack being dropped either.
This will be a tough game as the Dogs have about the best team they can field on the park this week...

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #65
That's where i got my teams from before.

I even triple checked the emergencies and it clearly had #37 Ben Silvagni

Someone obviously screwed something up there and has fixed the error.

Happens a lot.... very professional reporting ????
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #66
We need pace against the Bulldogs. Mark Murphy vs Jack Silvagni, compare the pair. We are now in a position to pick a side based on the opposition and our needs rather than who’s available.

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #67
Bulldogs team is much better than last time, they have more size with Trengove, Gardiner and a much more dangerous look IMO...dont agree with Jack being dropped either.
This will be a tough game as the Dogs have about the best team they can field on the park this week...

Not much in it really EB. Trengrove? Meh. Gardiner is from their VFL team - the mid season draft?

This was the WB team in round 5:

WESTERN BULLDOGS
B Bailey Williams, Zaine Cordy, Hayden Crozier
HB Caleb Daniel, Easton Wood, Lachie Young
C Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Jason Johannisen
HF Will Hayes, Josh Dunkley, Sam Lloyd
F Toby McLean, Aaron Naughton, Tory Dickson
FOL Tim English, Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Macrae
I/C Mitch Wallis, Bailey Smith, Ed Richards, Billy Gowers
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #68
Murphy would want to hit the ground running.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #69
Horses for courses....
Murphy was in our best when we played and beat them earlier in the year. 
He picked up 28 possessions.
His inclusion really isn't the issue, it's more who drops out to make way.

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #70
We are "going for the win" as we know they are beatable.

Murphy needs to deliver though.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #71
FWIW, I would have Murphy in ahead of Jack, but Jack still unlucky to be dropped. It's difficult to leave anyone out of last weeks side.

Looking at the upside, it's great to be in a position where we are saying that nobody should be dropped, and we have players in the VFL who are playing good footy but can't get a run (Kerr?, Goddard?).

Imagine what selection would be like with a clear injury list.
...and I think we would be a lot closer to the crows on the ladder if our injury counts were swapped.

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #72
Don't tell me the new coach is playing favourites already ?

Bloody Murphy - he's been starting 18 under 6 coaches. How the hell does this midget wrecking ball get away with it ? Why can't we find any coaches with balls ? Do we simply neuter them at the front door ? For 15 years ? And to think he does it with his favourite teddy bear permanently tucked under one arm !!

No wonder we're trash.

umm.. he was the best player in the AFL (according to the Players Assoc) at one point, under one of those 6 coaches....

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #73
Don't tell me the new coach is playing favourites already ?

Bloody Murphy - he's been starting 18 under 6 coaches. How the hell does this midget wrecking ball get away with it ? Why can't we find any coaches with balls ? Do we simply neuter them at the front door ? For 15 years ? And to think he does it with his favourite teddy bear permanently tucked under one arm !!

No wonder we're trash.

Thanks PaulP, that got me smiling again and cheered me up! :)
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #74
I think Paul forgot his emoticons ;D