All ready for tomorrow. We could well be on the bottom ... :(
Great response to last week's debacle, however, we resorted to type... the honourable loss doyens strike again. The masters of the brave loss.
Well, i read the script...
From the pre-game...
Get on top early, or at least level pegging, falling away later in the game.
:'(
Ruined a good game by letting them kick 5 goals very late.
I wrote this in the in-game.
I'll keep it here for all to see.
Free kick count....
Half time
Collingwood - 16
Carlton - 6.
3/4 time
Collingwood - 20
Carlton - 7
Final
Collingwood - 24
Carlton - 8 (came with 2mins to go in the game - after Plowman was NOT given 2 obvious free kicks, which resulted in 2x goals to get them up by 2 goals late)
Hard to compete with 25 players out there.
Their better players lifted in that last part of the game and they also had another two blokes with whistles helping them out which made it impossible...
Ruined a good game by letting them kick 5 goals very late.
Late? The last 5 minutes. Thats insane, thats a worse loss than last week if you ask me, I dont care where Coll are on the ladder.
I wrote this in the in-game.
I'll keep it here for all to see.
Free kick count....
Half time
Collingwood - 16
Carlton - 6.
3/4 time
Collingwood - 20
Carlton - 7
Final
Collingwood - 24
Carlton - 8 (came with 2mins to go in the game - after Plowman was NOT given 2 obvious free kicks, which resulted in 2x goals to get them up by 2 goals late)
Hard to compete with 25 players out there.
You can add that Crisp goal where Marchbank was held by Elliott...
Tremendous performance against grandfinalists.
If it weren't for the umpiring non-calls (I.e. ask Plowman - He'll be the one throwing his guts up) we could have snatched it coz we certainly matched them.
Their better players lifted in that last part of the game and they also had another two blokes with whistles helping them out which made it impossible...
That non free to Plowman with Elliott virtually dry humping him.
When the whips started cracking at the end our midfield got smashed. 26-5 inside 50’s in the last quarter. Cripps played a lone hand in the middle but he can't do everything.
When the whips started cracking at the end our midfield got smashed. 26-5 inside 50’s in the last quarter. Cripps played a lone hand in the middle but he can't do everything.
When the umps hand them the ball, its a lot easier to get the ball inside 50.
A lot of folks think Cripps is the man, but I wonder if it's actually Kreuzer.
When the whips started cracking at the end our midfield got smashed. 26-5 inside 50’s in the last quarter. Cripps played a lone hand in the middle but he can't do everything.
DeGoey was influential when it mattered and Treloar also lifted.......probably didnt get enough out of the first half when we were clearly the better team.
When the whips started cracking at the end our midfield got smashed. 26-5 inside 50’s in the last quarter. Cripps played a lone hand in the middle but he can't do everything.
Fisher was lame for the last quarter and a half. Couldn’t run or kick. Made a significant difference.
A lot of folks think Cripps is the man, but I wonder if it's actually Kreuzer.
I thought Grundy was very influential...Kreuzer was good but Cripps really held us together when the Pies cranked up in that last part of the game.
I wrote this in the in-game.
I'll keep it here for all to see.
Free kick count....
Half time
Collingwood - 16
Carlton - 6.
3/4 time
Collingwood - 20
Carlton - 7
Final
Collingwood - 24
Carlton - 8 (came with 2mins to go in the game - after Plowman was NOT given 2 obvious free kicks, which resulted in 2x goals to get them up by 2 goals late)
Hard to compete with 25 players out there.
We should probably ask for a please explain....but at the end of the day.... It won't change the result and will be forgotten within a few weeks.
On the whole the team did everything we could of asked for and gave a more than appropriate effort after last weeks result.
Come to play like that every week and the wins will come.
It would do wonders to win one of those close ones.
Might change the whole mindset.
When the whips started cracking at the end our midfield got smashed. 26-5 inside 50’s in the last quarter. Cripps played a lone hand in the middle but he can't do everything.
Relative association with the almost impossible free kick differential ????
Their better players lifted in that last part of the game and they also had another two blokes with whistles helping them out which made it impossible...
You know what buddy. We are looking like the choke specialists. We will struggle to attract the senior gun players we need to win more games. The only way to attract those gun players is by winning. We are stuck in a real hard place at he moment. Can’t blame BB for this. It is full on player accountability at the moment. We need the players to dig deep to get us off the bottom of the ladder. Something that looks highly unlikely over the next few games. Sure we are competitive. Is that enough though?
When the whips started cracking at the end our midfield got smashed. 26-5 inside 50’s in the last quarter. Cripps played a lone hand in the middle but he can't do everything.
Again, when serious heat comes, we fold. But, like all our honourable losses, there was plenty to like.
Just don't know how to win. That psychological barrier is still there.
Please, BB, please don't pump up everyone's tyres for doing so well for much of the game. This loss, in some ways, should hurt more than most this year.
Fisher was lame for the last quarter and a half. Couldn’t run or kick. Made a significant difference.
Agree...was going at 80%DE and was our best player IMO, very good with ball in hand.
A lot of folks think Cripps is the man, but I wonder if it's actually Kreuzer.
Both...but Kreuzer makes a huge difference.
Most of our best football this year is when he plays
You know what buddy. We are looking like the choke specialists. We will struggle to attract the senior gun players we need to win more games. The only way to attract those gun players is by winning. We are stuck in a real hard place at he moment. Can’t blame BB for this. It is full on player accountability at the moment. We need the players to dig deep to get us off the bottom of the ladder. Something that looks highly unlikely over the next few games. Sure we are competitive. Is that enough though?
Bolton wasnt to blame for this loss and had the players in the right positions, we probably had one too many kids who made a few mistakes at the wrong time
and lacked some polish but the effort was there and we were well led by Cripps.
Close to the worst umpiring I have ever seen.
To make it worse I was surrounded by Collingwood fans who thought they were hard done by.
Cripps is an animal. Pie fans were calling us Crippton.
We should probably ask for a please explain....but at the end of the day.... It won't change the result and will be forgotten within a few weeks.
On the whole the team did everything we could of asked for and gave a more than appropriate effort after last weeks result.
Come to play like that every week and the wins will come.
It would do wonders to win one of those close ones.
Might change the whole mindset.
Yep, it will be forgotten when Boltons head is on the chopping block too.
I'm not one to harp on about the umpires, but to suggest a whole team failed to infringe on anymore than 2 occasions in a half of football is complete bollocks. Especially when you look at a few examples very late in the game which led to direct goals that cost us the game.
I feel for Bolts because this could've been a turning point for him.
Yet 90% of the wider footballing public, and football media would not have watched this game, nor be aware of the circumstances with free kick counts etc. But at the end of the day, its another 'L' in the column that they will write about and point the finger at Bolton and co using it as 'proof' that he is no good.....and that goes for some on here as well.
I thought Grundy was very influential...Kreuzer was good but Cripps really held us together when the Pies cranked up in that last part of the game.
The centre square set from them was telling in the end, they chucked in their mature bing guns, we had Crippa, Kruze and the kindergarten kids.
I am really concerned with Dow's disposal. His effort and dash cannot be questioned, but his disposal is not even VFL standard.
Kruez getting a centre clearance sets us up. Just a matter of time before the forwards click, connect, and complete the deal of some easy goals.
Yep, it will be forgotten when Boltons head is on the chopping block too.
I'm not one to harp on about the umpires, but to suggest a whole team failed to infringe on anymore than 2 occasions in a half of football is complete bollocks. Especially when you look at a few examples very late in the game which led to direct goals that cost us the game.
I feel for Bolts because this could've been a turning point for him.
Yet 90% of the wider footballing public, and football media would not have watched this game, nor be aware of the circumstances with free kick counts etc. But at the end of the day, its another 'L' in the column that they will write about and point the finger at Bolton and co using it as 'proof' that he is no good.....and that goes for some on here as well.
Bolton gets a pass for this game IMO....I wouldnt be counting this one as another nail in his coffin...Bombers and Saints are the two we/he needs to win..
Elwood. I am not at bias to make this claim as a Blues supporter. Not at all. Cripps is the best player in the AFL by a country mile. In any other side he would win a Brownlow due to the support from other mids he would get week in, week out. With us he needs to carry the entire squad. Poor kid.
Again, when serious heat comes, we fold. But, like all our honourable losses, there was plenty to like.
Just don't know how to win. That psychological barrier is still there.
Please, BB, please don't pump up everyone's tyres for doing so well for much of the game. This loss, in some ways, should hurt more than most this year.
That is all.
With fair umpirung today. We win.
Negative for me is Dow.Stephenson looks a far better player.
The centre square set from them was telling in the end, they chucked in their mature bing guns, we had Crippa, Kruze and the kindergarten kids.
I am really concerned with Dow's disposal. His effort and dash cannot be questioned, but his disposal is not even VFL standard.
Agree...he turns it over a bit too much and can lack awareness, I'm a fan as I like his dash and dare but he needs remedial work on his kicking.
Stocker made a few mistakes too but I like the look of him, composed, kicks the ball well....not a great overhead mark so I think the backline isnt his gig
but when he gets his turn in the middle he will be a player..
With fair umpirung today. We win.
Doubt it.
Agree...he turns it over a bit too much and can lack awareness, I'm a fan as I like his dash and dare but he needs remedial work on his kicking.
Stocker made a few mistakes too but I like the look of him, composed, kicks the ball well....not a great overhead mark so I think the backline isnt his gig
but when he gets his turn in the middle he will be a player..
And he is a kent which I love.
Doubt it.
The umpiring was very black and white today....
Bolton gets a pass for this game IMO....I wouldnt be counting this one as another nail in his coffin...Bombers and Saints are the two we/he needs to win..
Just a pass? He should get a fricken the Gold Star of coaching!
10 goal loss against 18th.
6 days later
Was robbed against flag favourites by the whistle blowers.
All he gets is a 'pass'?
But the point remains....weeks from now, people won't think he'll get a pass for the pies game, the hawks game, the gold coast game. He'll get 3 more losses in a long line of losses....and little more.
The umpiring was very black and white today....
29 point turn around in 5 or 6 minutes is not umpiring.
Just a pass? He should get a fricken the Gold Star of coaching!
10 goal loss against 18th.
6 days later
Was robbed against flag favourites by the whistle blowers.
All he gets is a 'pass'?
But the point remains....weeks from now, people won't think he'll get a pass for the pies game, the hawks game, the gold coast game. He'll get 3 more losses in a long line of losses....and little more.
Let's all agree today was a win.
And he is a kent which I love.
Yep he does stick up for himself which I like a lot and he was playing vs some very decent opposition....you might want to put him in the middle next week
and see how he goes and maybe move Dow onto a wing where he can run but turnovers are not so critical.
Negative for me is Dow.Stephenson looks a far better player.
Clearly a much better player.....now.
At the end of their career though?
Dow has had some Judd-like explosions from stoppages. If he can continue to grow that side of his game, and Cripps continues to roll with beast mode and Walsh continues to make the game look its too easy for him......then throw in Fisher, SPS....We'll have a midfield to die for, and Dow might be 4th in line for a tag every week and dominate the game in a way that Stephenson could only dream of.
Currently, they're all kids though.
They got 3 of the arsiest goals i’ve ever seen
Leigh Matthews is on record as saying he’s puzzled why the umpires “put the whistle away” in big games that are close.
He’s right. Why should a free kick be paid in the first 5 mins but not the last? Are free kicks time dependent now?
No use whinging about the umps though. One thing that stood out for me today was that our boys lack awareness. When you watch Pendlebury and Sidebottom you’re watching awareness personified.
Cripps and Walsh have it, Weits and Fisher also.
Kreuzer tired in that last q and after Cripps missed that goal by centimeters the floodgates opened.
The boys gave it everything and it was great to see. Coaching staff gets a ‘B’ today. Even Levi down back did well.
I’m really disappointed that McGovern chose to kick across ground to Stocker (?) in the 3rd. From memory they scored a goal from the turnover.
29 point turn around in 5 or 6 minutes is not umpiring.
Between myself and eb1 we've highlighted 3 'non-decisions' in that time that directly led to goals. Thats 18 points off their score, and 3 times the ball goes our way instead. We lost by 19 points.
...and thats just deep inside 50 frees!
I picked.the honorable loss. We are the absolute masters of it. Seen it too often to get excited about running Collingwood close. We did the the same against the Eagles last, led late and lost by 10pts. See it too often to get sucked in.
Fact is that is now 4 wins fron 40.
Clearly a much better player.....now.
At the end of their career though?
Dow has had some Judd-like explosions from stoppages. If he can continue to grow that side of his game, and Cripps continues to roll with beast mode and Walsh continues to make the game look its too easy for him......then throw in Fisher, SPS....We'll have a midfield to die for, and Dow might be 4th in line for a tag every week and dominate the game in a way that Stephenson could only dream of.
Currently, they're all kids though.
Will Dow's disposal ever improve? Stephenson's Rising Star award was bang on, has missed a beat, he wins the Filth games, Dow is one the few costing us games.
Yep, it will be forgotten when Boltons head is on the chopping block too.
I'm not one to harp on about the umpires, but to suggest a whole team failed to infringe on anymore than 2 occasions in a half of football is complete bollocks. Especially when you look at a few examples very late in the game which led to direct goals that cost us the game.
I feel for Bolts because this could've been a turning point for him.
Yet 90% of the wider footballing public, and football media would not have watched this game, nor be aware of the circumstances with free kick counts etc. But at the end of the day, its another 'L' in the column that they will write about and point the finger at Bolton and co using it as 'proof' that he is no good.....and that goes for some on here as well.
X 100
That free kick count to anyone watching the game, is blatant interference. We lost to the mighty black, white, and greens...
I tilt my hat to our boys. They matched it in every area except those controlled by the whistleblower.
Furious. We may not have won, but we would have a result evidencing we're 'there abouts'
Will Dow's disposal ever improve? Stephenson's Rising Star award was bang on, has missed a beat, he wins the Filth games, Dow is one the few costing us games.
You know Judds disposal was not a strong suit of his either.
Look, if i was Collingwood, i'd have picked stephenson too.
If i am Carlton, i'd have taken Dow.
Long term gain vs short term gain.
Clearly a much better player.....now.
At the end of their career though?
Dow has had some Judd-like explosions from stoppages. If he can continue to grow that side of his game, and Cripps continues to roll with beast mode and Walsh continues to make the game look its too easy for him......then throw in Fisher, SPS....We'll have a midfield to die for, and Dow might be 4th in line for a tag every week and dominate the game in a way that Stephenson could only dream of.
Currently, they're all kids though.
We said the same thing about Gibbs v Selwood, that Bryce would catch up but it never happened.
I have seen enough, guns don't consistently miss sitters.
They got 3 of the arsiest goals i’ve ever seen
We handed them 3 or 4 of the easiest goals. The WHE was a shocker.
Between myself and eb1 we've highlighted 3 'non-decisions' in that time that directly led to goals. Thats 18 points off their score, and 3 times the ball goes our way instead. We lost by 19 points.
...and thats just deep inside 50 frees!
Bolton should ask for a please explain but they will back the umps. A guy climbed the goal posts last night and they backed the non decision.
Just a pass? He should get a fricken the Gold Star of coaching!
10 goal loss against 18th.
6 days later
Was robbed against flag favourites by the whistle blowers.
All he gets is a 'pass'?
But the point remains....weeks from now, people won't think he'll get a pass for the pies game, the hawks game, the gold coast game. He'll get 3 more losses in a long line of losses....and little more.
You get a Gold Star when you win but I dont see reasonable people marking today as a fail in his coaching examination....
The positive side of things is if we continue the path we have played so far this season, is that we will have 3 wins by the end of the year.
Both...but Kreuzer makes a huge difference.
Most of our best football this year is when he plays
yes, he just makes us a better team.
At any rate, they got a couple of junk time goals, the ball on a silver platter regularly, they've rolled the Tigers, Lions, Port. sitting 2nd on the ladder...............most thought we would be facing annihilation. Our boys fought it out to the end. In 2015, that would have been a 100 point loss minimum.
The positive side of things is if we continue the path we have played so far this season, is that we will have 3 wins by the end of the year.
I think we need 6 wins plus to say we have progressed...3 wins will probably have us bottom...
yes, he just makes us a better team.
At any rate, they got a couple of junk time goals, the ball on a silver platter regularly, they've rolled the Tigers, Lions, Port. sitting 2nd on the ladder...............most thought we would be facing annihilation. Our boys fought it out to the end. In 2015, that would have been a 100 point loss minimum.
Kreuzer and Setterfield bring the size to help Cripps.
Last week Cripps was getting hammered.
Close to the worst umpiring I have ever seen.
................
Yes, I'm not normally bothered by the umpiring, but that was awful. The blokes on AFL Grandstand, which include Huddo and Parkin, were telling it exactly as it was. One crap decision after another.
Between myself and eb1 we've highlighted 3 'non-decisions' in that time that directly led to goals. Thats 18 points off their score, and 3 times the ball goes our way instead. We lost by 19 points.
...and thats just deep inside 50 frees!
I could watch the replay pick the blunders by us that cost 4-5 goals.
Kreuzer and Setterfield bring the size to help Cripps.
Last week Cripps was getting hammered.
Playing on a kid like Wills also helped Cripps, Setterfield is a handy rough nut around the ball.
Just a pass? He should get a fricken the Gold Star of coaching!
10 goal loss against 18th.
6 days later
Was robbed against flag favourites by the whistle blowers.
All he gets is a 'pass'?
But the point remains....weeks from now, people won't think he'll get a pass for the pies game, the hawks game, the gold coast game. He'll get 3 more losses in a long line of losses....and little more.
No we weren't.
Look a little deeper. We conceded the last 5 goals.
We were 2 goals up in the last qtr and threw it away. Why? Same old, same old... don't know how to win (the game was there for the taking, we had it) and when fierce, uncompromising pressure is applied we do poos and wees.
Remove last week as an aberration and you're left with what we find a way to do, our chronic condition... losing bravely. It's even the headline on the AFL website, "Magpies break
brave Blues hearts in MCG thriller." Just about every week we are described as 'brave'... or 'honourable loss'.
With fair umpirung today. We win.
Yes, agree. Chalk this up as a "nearly", plus the GC and Hawks games, and it's 4 wins.
The boys played for the coach today, don't worry about that.
You get a Gold Star when you win but I dont see reasonable people marking today as a fail in his coaching examination....
yet.
In the long run, it will be treated just like last weeks efforts. A 'loss' in a long stream of other losses.
Kreuzer and Setterfield bring the size to help Cripps.
Last week Cripps was getting hammered.
Yes, no doubt. I like the look of Setterfield.
No one likes honourable losses but it will turn around, we've finally got a list with a good spread of talent and the wins will come.
The umpires didn't cost us the game, Collingwood just ran the game out better and their experienced players turned the dial up, it only takes one or two touches here and there and one or two tired fumbles our way and the momentum swings.
I was very happy with Cunningham's game today, I've had my doubts about him but I think that he'll become a very good player, he's happy to cop a tackle or two and always looks after his team mates.
On to next week Blues!
We were in the lead for large parts of that game. In fact, the biggest margin was at the final siren.
No we weren't.
Look a little deeper. We conceded the last 5 goals.
We were 2 goals up in the last qtr and threw it away. Why? Same old, same old... don't know how to win (the game was there for the taking, we had it) and when fierce, uncompromising pressure is applied we do poos and wees.
Remove last week as an aberration and you're left with what we find a way to do, our chronic condition... losing bravely. It's even the headline on the AFL website, "Magpies break brave Blues hearts in MCG thriller." Just about every week we are described as 'brave'... or 'honourable loss'.
I could watch the replay pick the blunders by us that cost 4-5 goals.
Yes, there is a trend.
Yes, we do still make mistakes.
But with OUR mistakes we were close
With the umpires mistakes, we had no chance.
The thing is, we find a new way of losing each and every week. I get that.
But, with these losses (last week aside) we are looking more and more confident, and competent.
Against Gold Coast, we lost after leading most of the game.....but it was ONLY Gold Coast.
Against Hawks, a more fancied, battle harderned opponent....we dominated early....yet couldn't match them late.....and lost by 2 seconds. (Team wise, a harder opponent and more dominant performance)
Against Pies, we went toe to toe with them. And did so with 1-arm behind our back courtesy of the umps....but even then, we were up to our eyeballs against about as good of a side as there is in the comp....and we matched it with them.
So yes, there is a trend of losing the unloseable games, but we are doing so against better and better opponents. When we come up against some weaker opponents from here on in, if we bring the same effort, we will smash them. Just like we did with the dogs.
yet.
In the long run, it will be treated just like last weeks efforts. A 'loss' in a long stream of other losses.
Unfortunately how things go. You either win games or you don’t. Media thrives on this and I am sure ignoring what is speculated eventually is heard and believed by all. Bottom 4 sides are seen as a lost case by most at the end of any season. Some might say a failure.
The only time I was confident that we’d get a free was when a Collingwood player kicked out on the full ????
On a more positive note, I like the look of Stocker and can understand why SOS and co were so pleased to have landed him. He is going to be a player and it’s good that he is starting off in the backline both for his development and what it says about the club’s priorities.
McGovern looked like he belonged today and I think he will become a valuable player for us.
Finally, I was adamant that Levi couldn’t play a defensive role at AFL level and I was shocked when he started in the backline ... and played a serviceable game. Reid was a good matchup for him you can’t take anything away from his performance. Some of his spoils were almost Jonesesque!
Let’s not forget when the umpires stopped the ball up to tell them they needed an extra player in the centre. Forgive me if I’m wrong but I thought that once the umps were set up no one else could come into the square.
When you’re 3 points down and it’s hovering dangerously in the their forward 50 for an extended period, why can’t we concede a point to regain possession and then go for broke?? At that stage, giving them a point would have served us better than ‘defending grimly’.
yet.
In the long run, it will be treated just like last weeks efforts. A 'loss' in a long stream of other losses.
I don't think the majority of supporters are much interested in the different shades of losing we demonstrate. Hang on, if we keep going like this we could release a book... '50 Shades Of Losing'. ;) ;D Kidding. Hey, you gotta laugh, because if you don't...
Let’s not forget when the umpires stopped the ball up to tell them they needed an extra player in the centre. Forgive me if I’m wrong but I thought that once the umps were set up no one else could come into the square.
We should have had a free against us in the last quarter for a second set up infringement.
As close as this season is looking when you compare top sides to the bottom sides, it is hard to see where the next victory will be. We play the dogs only one more time before the season ends. ????????
Yes, there is a trend.
Yes, we do still make mistakes.
But with OUR mistakes we were close
With the umpires mistakes, we had no chance.
The thing is, we find a new way of losing each and every week. I get that.
But, with these losses (last week aside) we are looking more and more confident, and competent.
Against Gold Coast, we lost after leading most of the game.....but it was ONLY Gold Coast.
Against Hawks, a more fancied, battle harderned opponent....we dominated early....yet couldn't match them late.....and lost by 2 seconds. (Team wise, a harder opponent and more dominant performance)
Against Pies, we went toe to toe with them. And did so with 1-arm behind our back courtesy of the umps....but even then, we were up to our eyeballs against about as good of a side as there is in the comp....and we matched it with them.
So yes, there is a trend of losing the unloseable games, but we are doing so against better and better opponents. When we come up against some weaker opponents from here on in, if we bring the same effort, we will smash them. Just like we did with the dogs.
That's a fair call. Totally agree, thus far.
We should have had a free against us in the last quarter for a second set up infringement.
Well it just goes to prove how bad they were today.
mostly enjoyable game to watch … 70k at the MCG, Carlton v Collingwood and led most of the way
I've been critical of Murphy and Marchbank but both were very good today as were Cripps, Kreuzer, Thomas, Fisher, Cunningham, C Curnow & M McGovern. Casboult was great at CHB and I have to say I preferred the stability of him there vs the chaos of Jones. Gibbons, Setterfield, Williamson & Stocker should all be better for the run and I have to say that I remembered Williamson having more pace and strength.
SPS, Walsh, Mckay all serviceable but quieter than usual
Silvagni, Dow & Plowman all need to work on their decision making and polish.
We're a couple of mature players away from winning these matches and next trade period we'll need to snag a Shaun Burgoyne equivalent.
As close as this season is looking when you compare top sides to the bottom sides, it is hard to see where the next victory will be. We play the dogs only one more time before the season ends. ????????
Bring todays game attitude vs EFC and we will win.....less talented than the Pies and more hard ball shy, in short they are crap, poorly coached and we should beat them.
yes, he just makes us a better team.
At any rate, they got a couple of junk time goals, the ball on a silver platter regularly, they've rolled the Tigers, Lions, Port. sitting 2nd on the ladder...............most thought we would be facing annihilation. Our boys fought it out to the end. In 2015, that would have been a 100 point loss minimum.
As a matter of interest. 2015 Blues 45 - Pies 120.
Interesting frees for: 18 - 20
CP 126 - 127
1 % 59 - 46
I'd suggest we showed plenty of effort but were insignificant in terms of scoreboard pressure.
Bring todays game attitude vs EFC and we will win.....less talented than the Pies and more hard ball shy, in short they are crap, poorly coached and we should beat them.
Drugcheats are trending with 'stop Tippa and you stop efc' ^-^
Love your work Elwood. True open vision with perspective. We lost against the Kangas when they were rock bottom. I would put money on the Bombers at the moment. They fight hard when their backs are against the wall. I can’t see who we could beat. Melbourne maybe?
Bring todays game attitude vs EFC and we will win.....less talented than the Pies and more hard ball shy, in short they are crap, poorly coached and we should beat them.
Essendon hate the inside game. We play it pretty well for a young side hence we keep beating them. Like the Swans did last night for the same reason.
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Cripps is an animal. Pie fans were calling us Crippton.
I guess when Curnow the younger really breaks out, they might call us Charleston ?
The I50 count looks a worry. 69-43 in the Pies favour. I haven't seen the game, but our defence must have done some wonderful damage limitation work.
Liked BBs media conference. Handled the question re Eddie with class. Also continue to like the fact he doesn't lean on cliches any more, you get more of the real person... which is good. Bravo.
Will Dow's disposal ever improve? Stephenson's Rising Star award was bang on, has missed a beat, he wins the Filth games, Dow is one the few costing us games.
That’s pretty harsh. 20 disposals, 14 contested. DE 60% which is low but he didn’t cost us the game.
Had a cracking game year last year, can play and will improve.
Drugcheats are trending with 'stop Tippa and you stop efc' ^-^
The Crippa will be all over the Tippa and any other player they have.... ;)
Love your work Elwood. True open vision with perspective. We lost against the Kangas when they were rock bottom. I would put money on the Bombers at the moment. They fight hard when their backs are against the wall. I can’t see who we could beat. Melbourne maybe?
Mants..I think luck will turn our way in the second half of the year and we will win a couple of these close ones, Bombers then Saints are our next wins IMO...the latter started well but have been hit hard with injuries
and with Stevens mental health battles are fielding a makeshift team. Think that Saints game might be crucial in a lot of aspects, lose that and the flak will start flying towards Ikon park. Win and we only need three more wins IMO in the 2nd half of the season to feel progress is being made.
Elwood I will be back after the Saints play the Eagles. I hope I don’t see something you haven’t at the moment. ;D ;D
Apparently the pressure contest continued in the stands after the game
https://www.3aw.com.au/just-in-multiple-fights-reportedly-break-out-at-mcg/
Pretty enjoyable game for the most part. Collingwood have an ability to kick fast scrappy goals and their last quarter proved it as their best players lifted and kreuzer ran out of puff.
Umpiring has become an impossible task at league level. I don't blame the umpires for the shambles of today's game (much). i blame the afl making umpiring a stage management exercise where infringements are relegated in favour of a loose and moving ball. Numerous infringements both ways went ignored and rediculous frees awarded when it seemed an umpire wanted to get involved, having to make up their quota. The double 50 was idiotic, a case of the Carlton player setting it up. Yet if a player is clearly infringing the 6-6-6 rule they get a 'warning'. A warning at league level! Just in case the full time professionals don't know the rules.
Liked McGovern today- he makes space better than any of our forwards and has a terrific mark. We countered collingwood well today, covering their ability to zone and cover options. Back line too played a strong and mostly organised game, with Thomas providing lots of run in the first half.
Still, another loss. Its pretty disappointing. Hope they can bring the same standard for the rest if the year. Wins will come
We lost our heads yet again (umpiring issues aside) but we did stay with them for much of the game. That's yet another lesson and one we should have learned well before now. Four quarter efforts of intensity was always going to be needed against Collingwood. Oh well, next week but the team need a win desperastely
The I50 count looks a worry. 69-43 in the Pies favour. I haven't seen the game, but our defence must have done some wonderful damage limitation work.
Our defense were busy yet effective against the most dynamic forward line in the competition. Hats off to all the defenders. Weiters continues to build as a general under Daisy guidance. No Simo, Newy, or Jones. Although that's half our best backline out, we kept them honest. Well done.
Young Willo and Stocker can hold their heads high. Casboult too can take a bow. 80 odd DE... and 8 or so intercepts. maybe he was a defender all along ????
Plowman was cleaner and Marchy is building nicely.
Levi the defender wasn't too bad to-day
Cripps got 1 free and 5 against.
Our defense were busy yet effective against the most dynamic forward line in the competition. Hats off to all the defenders. Weiters continues to build as a general under Daisy guidance. No Simo, Newy, or Jones. Although that's half our best backline out, we kept them honest. Well done.
Young Willo and Stocker can hold their heads high. Casboult too can take a bow. 80 odd DE... and 8 or so intercepts. maybe he was a defender all along ????
Plowman was cleaner and Marchy is building nicely.
That's a pretty good synopsis I reckon LN.
Levi the defender wasn't too bad to-day
Agree, but i reckon he had a good matchup.
I think that card should be played sparingly. Simply doesn't have the speed to go with 80% of the forwards he'll come up against. Jones has that extra pace required in the modern game.
Agree, but i reckon he had a good matchup.
I think that card should be played sparingly. Simply doesn't have the speed to go with 80% of the forwards he'll come up against. Jones has that extra pace required in the modern game.
Not keen on Caasboult v Cameron lol?
Not keen on Caasboult v Cameron lol?
I’m not too keen on anybody vs Cameron because he’s the best forward in the Como. Weitering too slow, Casboult not agile enough, Jones/Plowman not smart enough, Marchbank not physical enough etc best we can hope for is an off day or poor/limited supply
As for the blow-out at the end, sounds like from what BB said once we lost the lead we were trying to win the game, (i.e. score ourselves) not limit the damage
Pretty enjoyable game for the most part. Collingwood have an ability to kick fast scrappy goals and their last quarter proved it as their best players lifted and kreuzer ran out of puff.
Umpiring has become an impossible task at league level. I don't blame the umpires for the shambles of today's game (much). i blame the afl making umpiring a stage management exercise where infringements are relegated in favour of a loose and moving ball. Numerous infringements both ways went ignored and rediculous frees awarded when it seemed an umpire wanted to get involved, having to make up their quota. The double 50 was idiotic, a case of the Carlton player setting it up. Yet if a player is clearly infringing the 6-6-6 rule they get a 'warning'. A warning at league level! Just in case the full time professionals don't know the rules.
Liked McGovern today- he makes space better than any of our forwards and has a terrific mark. We countered collingwood well today, covering their ability to zone and cover options. Back line too played a strong and mostly organised game, with Thomas providing lots of run in the first half.
Still, another loss. Its pretty disappointing. Hope they can bring the same standard for the rest if the year. Wins will come
Good summary. I think you had to actually be at the ground today to appreciate how hard the boys went. No-one shirked today.
We just couldn't get it out of their forward line in the last 5 mins. No surprises really. Well drilled runners up v. perennial cellar dwellers.
The debate about why the premier competition in the land still uses part-time, non-professional umpires will re-surface this week, as well it should. Too many instances of a baffling non-decision AGAINST Carlton being followed up almost immediately by a baffling decision awarded TO Collingwood. Some really cray cray stuff.
I'm hearing Plowman has a broken cheekbone, will miss a few weeks. But no, clearly he wasn't hit high in that marking contest that they got a goal from the spillage....
Good summary. I think you had to actually be at the ground today to appreciate how hard the boys went. No-one shirked today.
We just couldn't get it out of their forward line in the last 5 mins. No surprises really. Well drilled runners up v. perennial cellar dwellers.
The debate about why the premier competition in the land still uses part-time, non-professional umpires will re-surface this week, as well it should. Too many instances of a baffling non-decision AGAINST Carlton being followed up almost immediately by a baffling decision awarded TO Collingwood. Some really cray cray stuff.
They did go hard. Murphy had an excellent game and the intensity was high. Collingwood are a high pressure side and we took it up to them. Our forwards are still a second or two off the pace in getting off the mark, which translates into easier spolis. It will get better as the team gel but it can be frustrating to see the moments of hesitation.
Brodie Grundy on the ground throws is one handed to his teammate. Play on.
Plowman bear hugged / thrown to the ground whilst trying to stop a shot at goal. Play on.
On and on it went. Ridiculous stuff throughout the whole game.
Lost the free kick count to Hawthorn 19 - 10 also... but this was on another level. Horror show.
McGovern was quiet but kicked 3.
Marchbank looked like he was building into the season. That was his best game in a Carlton jumper.
Cunningham's best game for the club. When he plays like this we're a 5 goal better team at least. He did have 3 goal assists and kicked 2 himself.
Gibbons was good again with 8 tackles.
Setterfield really looked good. I think we need to trust him with more time in the middle. He's stronger than most of our midfielders - both tackling and getting his arms free once tackled.
Dow took a step forward.
Samo - so so so disappointing. Still a massive gap between his best and worst games. Sidebottom gave him a thrashing in the first half.
Stocker showed why we rated him. He'll get a lot better than this.
Unfortunately the opposition ruckman was the difference again. We couldn't match Grundy's work rate.
I've read on here that Dow has a specialist kicking coach - what about Rocca ?
If he can improve his kicking, he will be really something. His ability to find some tiny, rapidly closing gap between players at a stoppage, and break away into space (at pace) is really quite something, and quite rare, and certainly in today's game (with numbers around the ball), quite valuable.
Unfortunately the opposition ruckman was the difference again. We couldn't match Grundy's work rate.
He played some sort of a game, they got 50 HO's, he got 48. Goes it alone all day long.
Fleetingly, I had that feeling. You all remember THAT feeling we used to get many moons ago. When we got behind we knew we would come back. Felt good.
Disappointed, bloody, f'ing disappointed for losing BUT the team is building or growing.
If we are still building and growing and can get soooo close against a grand final aspirant then just maybe we might be the real deal.
A couple of free agents and natural growth AND the AFL telling the umps to go easy on us then....
To summarise.
I thought we had no chance to win before the game.
Until 5 mins to go I thought we would win today.
Unfortunately we didn't get across the line. I'm sure plowman touched the goal to put them in front.
Anyway, I'm buoyed by our progress.
That’s pretty harsh. 20 disposals, 14 contested. DE 60% which is low but he didn’t cost us the game.
Had a cracking game year last year, can play and will improve.
Better than Scott Pendlebury ????
We should have had a free against us in the last quarter for a second set up infringement.
No frees will be paid for 6-6-6 infringements this season. It will always be a warning followed by the umpire throwing the ball up
He played some sort of a game, they got 50 HO's, he got 48. Goes it alone all day long.
Grundy is a champ, no doubt. Take a look at the clearances folks. It's a very encouraging result and just one indicator of our progress. Particularly against a premier experienced, strong midfield. One of the reasons Kruez is so important (regardless of hit outs) is his clearance rate. Superior to Grundy. All very encouraging Bluebaggers.
Media are going to turn the after match brawls into a frenzy. I'm not condoning the violence, but when you have fans frustrated by diabolical umpiring, then they get taunted, what does the AFL expect is going to happen?
crap umpiring + frustrated fans = behaviour problems.
Last year v Collingwood we got about 45k to the game. The crowd today was awesome - noise from Carlton was the loudest it has been for some years (from limited games I've been to).
While we don't know the outcome should an umpires decision goes the other way, 2 spring my mind.
- de Goey block of Cripps just before half time. de Goey turned and saw Cripps coming. Goal to Grundy not long before half time.
- 50m penalty against Jack SOS. others may correct me but all they did was swap man on the mark - didn't affect the play in anyway. Goal to them.
Marchbanks' spill in the third - must have run close to 50m to effect this. Awesome effort.
We are starting to show more even contribution and there seems to be genuine excitement with what is to come. Hope the lads can deliver.
Media are going to turn the after match brawls into a frenzy. I'm not condoning the violence, but when you have fans frustrated by diabolical umpiring, then they get taunted, what does the AFL expect is going to happen?
crap umpiring + frustrated fans = behaviour problems.
Indeed. 8 frees to 24, where we had 2 in the second half. I have never seen a more one sided effort from any umpire combination.
It is an emotional game and we were clearly robbed. If there ever was going to be an official complaint, this would be it.
We are beginning to play some scintillating football and getting down the ground and scoring quickly. Something that hasn't happened at Carlton for a long long while.
We're not a basket case anymore. We fielded five players who have played twenty and under games, Setterfield, Stocker, Walsh, Cunners and Willo. They all look to be 100 game plus players.
If we're after a big fish, which by all reports we are, then wether we won or lost it doesn't take a lot of imagination to see that there's something special happening.
I haven't seen anyone mention Jack but he did some very smart kicks that resulted in goals to others. He obviously listens to the coaches and works on his game. He faded in the second half but I think he's beginning to find a place in the side. Also nice to see Charlie find his mojo. The mark in the goal square one out against Moore was a ripper.
Just watched the replay:
Jason Dunstall on Fox Footy after the Crisp goal with 5 mins to go after the 50 meter penalty, regarding Elliot touching the ball “He got a fingertip on that....yep, maybe not enough to turn it over.’
What does that mean? Either it’s touched or not, no grey area!!
And where’s the score review after each goal??? Even the 4th umpire was against us!
Indeed. 8 frees to 24, where we had 2 in the second half. I have never seen a more one sided effort from any umpire combination.
It is an emotional game and we were clearly robbed. If there ever was going to be an official complaint, this would be it.
Ill say this about the frees, our boys hang onto the footy too long in the tackle and get pinged HTB more than any team I have watched. Conversely, the Filth plays dish it off quickly, they are able to do this because they get numbers around the ball. We dont (often enough). We need to get this area of our game right quickly as its costing us goals.
Just watched the replay:
Jason Dunstall on Fox Footy after the Crisp goal with 5 mins to go after the 50 meter penalty, regarding Elliot touching the ball “He got a fingertip on that....yep, maybe not enough to turn it over.’
What does that mean? Either it’s touched or not, no grey area!!
And where’s the score review after each goal??? Even the 4th umpire was against us!
They review every goal but it if its inconclusive, it stays with the goal umpires call. I suspect that the footage didnt 100% show a finger getting to it.
GointoCarlton. Quicker disposal when tackled and numbers around the ball. This is probably a fix that isn’t too difficult to fix. It’s these simple small issues that could change the result of our games in an almost instant. These are the things that don’t show up on stat sheets.
McGovern was quiet but kicked 3.
Marchbank looked like he was building into the season. That was his best game in a Carlton jumper.
Cunningham's best game for the club. When he plays like this we're a 5 goal better team at least. He did have 3 goal assists and kicked 2 himself.
Gibbons was good again with 8 tackles.
Setterfield really looked good. I think we need to trust him with more time in the middle. He's stronger than most of our midfielders - both tackling and getting his arms free once tackled.
Dow took a step forward.
Samo - so so so disappointing. Still a massive gap between his best and worst games. Sidebottom gave him a thrashing in the first half.
Stocker showed why we rated him. He'll get a lot better than this.
Unfortunately the opposition ruckman was the difference again. We couldn't match Grundy's work rate.
Agree on all of that except Dow 's kicking remains his problem area and he probably hasnt come on as quickly as I hoped.
Setterfield and Stocker make us look bigger and stronger, neither are stylists but very solid units who attack the ball well, Stocker isnt a backman IMO but I think
he is getting senior experience vs good players down back and thats important.
Sidebottom is a tough opponent and loves playing us and I thought he lifted for them when it mattered, I wasnt down on SPS as he had a tough gig today,
you just hope he learns from that and can be a bit more damaging the other way.
Been critical of Marchbank but he did play his best game today vs a difficult opponent.
Gibbons is handy and getting better...Cuningham can kick a good goal and gives us some pace.
McGovern converts well but needs to give us a bag of 5 rather than 2-3 goals to win us some games.....
They review every goal but it if its inconclusive, it stays with the goal umpires call. I suspect that the footage didnt 100% show a finger getting to it.
Dunstall saw it once, and called it.
Ball was on its way back to the centre when commentators were looking at it. Why the game wasn't halted to investigate further, i've got no idea. Can it happen? Yes, its happened in one of our games this year already....against us if memory serves correctly. Typical. Get screwed both ways.
Kruddler, we all feel the pain about how the game is run by the umpires. Unfortunately it appears that the players need to find a way of winning without expecting a fair go on the field. Expecting a fair trial is asking too much by the look of things. I know it stinks and I hope the coaching group work on the game plan. They should not let the players think about the umpires. It’s a focus that will never get us results. Work with what we do have control of. Yes again buddy, it does stink.
Dunstall saw it once, and called it.
Ball was on its way back to the centre when commentators were looking at it. Why the game wasn't halted to investigate further, i've got no idea. Can it happen? Yes, its happened in one of our games this year already....against us if memory serves correctly. Typical. Get screwed both ways.
Was he right though? If his eyes are that good, they should offer him a job reviewing goals. If it was touched, they would have called it back.
Was he right though? If his eyes are that good, they should offer him a job reviewing goals. If it was touched, they would have called it back.
I thought Elliott touched it, Bolton handled the umpiring question well in his presser and chose his worlds well about how tough the job is and how important umpires are
and hopefully the umpires get it right next time its close and remember how kind he was when they know they screwed us over.
I thought Elliott touched it,...
His finger flicks as the ball passes his hand, it's a wonder the video ref didn't pick it up!
I thought Elliott touched it, Bolton handled the umpiring question well in his presser and chose his worlds well about how tough the job is and how important umpires are
and hopefully the umpires get it right next time its close and remember how kind he was when they know they screwed us over.
Correct, it was Elliot who touched it.
...and yes, dunstall was right. Umpires were wrong.....again.
we gave it everything today, spent a heap of petrol... and failed. I fear nothing left in the tank now. Here come the smashings. We don't believe we can win. All sides know it and all they have to do is turn up the pressure a bit, and we lose. We are dreadful. 4 from 40 now.
i've had my positive hat on for a very long time now. i'm not taking it off now.
we have a far better, and more even spread of talent. We are playing heaps better footy than we have at any stage in the last 5 years, and playing it for longer.
the boys are still learning to play together, and they are building cohesion.
the losses suck. play with the same spirit and the wins will come. and they will come in a hurry. this is the only question left remaining for me. how much spirit does this group have, and how good is BB at fostering it?
the lads are starting to click, but they have to get over the mental hurdle of turning these games into wins.
i'm staying positive until the end of the year.
i've had my positive hat on for a very long time now. i'm not taking it off now.
we have a far better, and more even spread of talent. We are playing heaps better footy than we have at any stage in the last 5 years, and playing it for longer.
the boys are still learning to play together, and they are building cohesion.
the losses suck. play with the same spirit and the wins will come. and they will come in a hurry. this is the only question left remaining for me. how much spirit does this group have, and how good is BB at fostering it?
the lads are starting to click, but they have to get over the mental hurdle of turning these games into wins.
i'm staying positive until the end of the year.
Well said. How much spirit? Always hard to gauge after a loss. But Im sure they will wake up this morning, to a man, as determined as ever. You are right about building cohesion, but for FFS sake could the injury gods give us a spell a let our blokes play together uninterrupted? Please? Im begging now.
I am gutted with the loss as I am with any loss. But the next day, upon reflection, I see that we took it right up to a side that will probably win the flag this year. All of their lines are top notch. They are, on average, just under 3 years older than us and have 38 games more experience.
Im not making excuses, just saying.
Grundy is a champ, no doubt. Take a look at the clearances folks. It's a very encouraging result and just one indicator of our progress. Particularly against a premier experienced, strong midfield. One of the reasons Kruez is so important (regardless of hit outs) is his clearance rate. Superior to Grundy. All very encouraging Bluebaggers.
Grundy had a relatively low hitout to advantage percentage (33%). Kreuzer had 48% and some of his ruckwork was brilliant.
I was wondering whether Kreuzer and Grundy had an agreement whereby they were off the ground together and Casboult and Reid could ruck against each other. Grundy spent 91% of the game on the ground, Kreuzer was on for 92%.
The spirit to win was there, but unfortunately in the third you could see some tire.
I thought a perfect example of the spirit was when 3 went for the ball in the 4th coming into our F50, one was Kruezer - and they spoiled each other. Not great outcome but can’t question that desire.
About the umps, there does seem to be bias towards the team expected to win, and we’re going to get that Every game - once we start winning, those things will come to our favour - just need to get over that line.
How was that vision of Cripps I think in the fourth, bulling his way through a number of opponents - just willing himself through. Brilliant.
Cripps was amazing, again. And I'm convinced Kreuzer is our second most important player. We are improving, I have no doubt. Before the season the club said publicly that they expect our improvement to be driven by our 4th year players, and over the 8 rounds so far they are delivering. Weitering is now one of the best key defenders in the game. McKay is taking contested marks and kicking goals. C Curnow turned the corner in the first half yesterday, has been hampered by injury but looks like he's up and running now. Cuningham has improved out of sight, looking like the dangerous goalkicking forward/mid that we desperately need. J Silvagni is now in our best 18, does the team thing every time, works his butt off for 100% of the time, and is kicking goals and creating goals for others. Big tick for all so far in 2019. Interesting that the other player we have from that draft is Matt Kennedy, who is becoming an enigma, seems to be in the best every week for NB, but can't crack a game in the 1's?
I thought Elliott touched it, Bolton handled the umpiring question well in his presser and chose his worlds well about how tough the job is and how important umpires are
and hopefully the umpires get it right next time its close and remember how kind he was when they know they screwed us over.
Couldn't agree more. Big picture perspective. In fact his entire media conference was classy and real. Good gear.
Ambulance Chasers Barrett, Cornes and Lloyd are having a decent crack us on the Sunday Footy show. Browny backing us in. Cant wait to wipe the smug looks off these kents faces >:(.
Just watched the replay:
Jason Dunstall on Fox Footy after the Crisp goal with 5 mins to go after the 50 meter penalty, regarding Elliot touching the ball “He got a fingertip on that....yep, maybe not enough to turn it over.’
What does that mean? Either it’s touched or not, no grey area!!
And where’s the score review after each goal??? Even the 4th umpire was against us!
Just watched that - looked pretty clear cut to me it was touched....
They review every goal but it if its inconclusive, it stays with the goal umpires call. I suspect that the footage didnt 100% show a finger getting to it.
Watch it again....
Ambulance Chasers Barrett, Cornes and Lloyd are having a decent crack us on the Sunday Footy show. Browny backing us in. Cant wait to wipe the smug looks off these kents faces >:(.
The competition is fierce, but Cornes would have to be the pits as far as AFL media is concerned.
One of the very real risks in having a deep bottoming out / rebuild is that the "forgetting how to win" prolongs the amnesia and means it takes longer to get that winning feeling back. On the other hand, maybe forgetting how to win is yet another brainless footy cliche, and we lost simply because the opposition has greater depth, greater experience, better composure, and better at getting the momentum back and getting the game back on their terms.
The competition is fierce, but Cornes would have to be the pits as far as AFL media is concerned.
One of the very real risks in having a deep bottoming out / rebuild is that the "forgetting how to win" prolongs the amnesia and means it takes longer to get that winning feeling back. On the other hand, maybe forgetting how to win is yet another brainless footy cliche, and we lost simply because the opposition has greater depth, greater experience, better composure, and better at getting the momentum back and getting the game back on their terms.
Saw their little piece.
The problem is that the only way to shut them up is to win a close game or two.
Most of us take it with a grain of salt...but for some it does impact.
We obviously haven't forgotten how to win, we won a few weeks ago....but it's a few of those close games we need to nail.
Saw their little piece.
The problem is that the only way to shut them up is to win a close game or two.
Most of us take it with a grain of salt...but for some it does impact.
We obviously haven't forgotten how to win, we won a few weeks ago....but it's a few of those close games we need to nail.
Yes, no doubt. I have seen folks in the media saying we are now like the 2018 Lions - very competitive, but just can't nail those close ones. It will come.
Couldn't agree more. Big picture perspective. In fact his entire media conference was classy and real. Good gear.
Agree...he dropped the cliches and spoke from the heart a bit more and you could tell he is disappointed for the fans.
Agree...he dropped the cliches and spoke from the heart a bit more and you could tell he is disappointed for the fans.
And I think all the pressers have been premeditated in that the same consistent message was being delivered during the first three years. Now that can be criticised all it likes, but the strategy was sound in my opinion. Say the same thing over and over, stay united in that message, give away little w.r.t strategy and stay the course. Compared to the disjointed messages from the past out of our club, this has been refreshing, for me at least. Now we are starting to see some emotion come out of the coach. When you are so close, the losses really hurt. From the President, to the boot studder and to the rank and file supporter. Everyones resolve and determination must be upped now, the wins will only be sweeter. Its interesting actually, those in the media backing us were all Carlton supporters as kids who played for other clubs. Nafe Brown, Dunstall, Mooney to name a few. Cornes? He is just a kent who I have sero time for.
Agree...he dropped the cliches and spoke from the heart a bit more and you could tell he is disappointed for the fans.
I really get the "lets not talk about the positives now as we have just lost" thing. Its a bit like being a supporter, I wanted to smash the TV yesterday, today I see a different perspective that is less emotional. Let me be clear, I DO NOT ACCEPT LOSSES AND I DO NOT MAKE EXCUSES. WE MUST RECOGNISE AND RECTIFY THE REASONS FOR THE LOSSES PRONTO!!
I really get the "lets not talk about the positives now as we have just lost" thing. Its a bit like being a supporter, I wanted to smash the TV yesterday, today I see a different perspective that is less emotional. Let me be clear, I DO NOT ACCEPT LOSSES AND I DO NOT MAKE EXCUSES. WE MUST RECOGNISE AND RECTIFY THE REASONS FOR THE LOSSES PRONTO!!
x2...his reasoning why we lost was sound and given the disappointment it was one of his best presser's, Cornes and crew need fodder to chew on for the audience and when you are on the bottom
you are the fodder...beat the Saints and Bombers in two weeks time and he will have moved on to another club and be singing our praises.
Bit more shocked with Lloyd who has his brother at the club and has been a bit more circumspect with his criticism this season and of course shares a desk with Chris Judd on FC.
Never liked Lloyd and am no fan of his brother at the club either to be honest...
The competition is fierce, but Cornes would have to be the pits as far as AFL media is concerned.
One of the very real risks in having a deep bottoming out / rebuild is that the "forgetting how to win" prolongs the amnesia and means it takes longer to get that winning feeling back. On the other hand, maybe forgetting how to win is yet another brainless footy cliche, and we lost simply because the opposition has greater depth, greater experience, better composure, and better at getting the momentum back and getting the game back on their terms.
I think both your scenarios are right/valid.
Losing can become ingrained and habitual and difficult to break - especially after years and being virtually accepted by the club for so long/part of the process of the rebuild. You said it well, IMHO. But it can be done, and once broken can only be eradicated by a succession of wins... close and comfortable.
Your second scenario had me thinking of observations from the commentators... that they always felt Rottingwood had 'another gear' and when the chips were down they found that gear and we folded under that increase in pressure from our opponents.
The coaching staff will have their work cut out for them this week. Dealing with the hurt of a close loss to a credible opponent, especially after bringing your best would be deflating but from that hurt can come a mongrel resolve... hopefully we find that against GWS. For a young group to find the 'fed up' button will be a challenge, all they need to know is that, collectively, they actually have what it takes.
...........................................Bit more shocked with Lloyd who has his brother at the club and has been a bit more circumspect with his criticism this season and of course shares a desk with Chris Judd on FC.
Never liked Lloyd and am no fan of his brother at the club either to be honest...
Yes, I'm not sure what the deal is with Brad Lloyd - it's tempting to think he's a gormless yes man, simply there to do as he's told, and not interfere with SOS and co. Maybe that's incorrect and harsh.
Also, the possibility that he can share info about us with his brother creeps me out. More than a little paranoia on my part.
I can't bag anyone after the effort they ALL gave yesterday.
Sure a few blunders here and there but the Pies are pretty much the best team around presently.
And Plowman (twice) and weitering were robbed in the dying minutes.....
Pies' supporters at the ground knew they stole one yesterday.
If the lads bring that intensity every week, we'll make t he 8! ;)
Yes, I'm not sure what the deal is with Brad Lloyd - it's tempting to think he's a gormless yes man, simply there to do as he's told, and not interfere with SOS and co. Maybe that's incorrect and harsh.
Also, the possibility that he can share info about us with his brother creeps me out. More than a little paranoia on my part.
I'll join your paranoia with the idea that Brad Lloyd probably wouldnt mind seeing Ross Lyon in a Carlton polo at some stage.
Matthew Lloyd would love to see us in turmoil and having a Lloyd at Carlton is like having the KGB living at the White House IMO..
I'll join your paranoia with the idea that Brad Lloyd probably wouldnt mind seeing Ross Lyon in a Carlton polo at some stage.
Matthew Lloyd would love to see us in turmoil and having a Lloyd at Carlton is like having the KGB living at the White House IMO..
Ha. Yes, at least the press conferences will be brief.
hmmm.
Kane Cornes....found that life outside the football world is hard, bloody hard. You can't use connections to attain qualifications, then you fight for job positions and then work. I would have thought that after experiencing life in the real world, albeit briefly, he might have more consideration for the "little people". Instead he's just another talking head with an opinion.
https://www.bay13sports.com.au/latest-sports-news/2019/5/11/bolton-refuses-to-comment-on-umpiring?fbclid=IwAR0fwc7SQ61wdce2XvL1ail30wNk-iW-inlG5nSdCrPEPeUSIbm_GhSnRP4
I’m pleased to see it’s not just me that doesn’t like having any Lloyd connection at Carlton.
I don’t like Matthew and surely don’t want his brother there.
Too many inter connections.
The Plow non free was blatant.
The Plow non free was blatant.
which one? ;)
which one? ;)
The one where Elliot’s arms were wrapped around Plows body from behind. Blatant. Not sure how or what the Ump saw instead ????
Micky0. Flyboy is being sarcastic. He has a picture on the previous page of both potential issues. Well done Flyboy. :D
So do we know whether Plow's cheekbone is fractured which (high hit) led to the Pies' third goal of their 5 goal run?
this was the Plow hit - and DeGoey then goaled.
this was the Plow hit - and DeGoey then goaled.
Pretty damning. Though Rottingwood supporters claim Stocker should have been free kicked for taking out a blokes legs... as did the commentators, and that was right in front of goal.
I’m pleased to see it’s not just me that doesn’t like having any Lloyd connection at Carlton.
I don’t like Matthew and surely don’t want his brother there.
Too many inter connections.
He had his father here too. Another 20 games and he'd have played for us!
https://www.bay13sports.com.au/latest-sports-news/2019/5/11/bolton-refuses-to-comment-on-umpiring?fbclid=IwAR0fwc7SQ61wdce2XvL1ail30wNk-iW-inlG5nSdCrPEPeUSIbm_GhSnRP4
I am glad he didn't say anything in the interview, but I would be saying a LOT behind closed doors. The umpires have to understand that they altered the result of the game with their non-decisions, and poor decisions. I know the game is hard enough to umpire, but missing obvious ones, especially in such important circumstances, alters games. It did yesterday. And anyone even remotely unbiased would admit it.
I am glad he didn't say anything in the interview, but I would be saying a LOT behind closed doors. The umpires have to understand that they altered the result of the game with their non-decisions, and poor decisions. I know the game is hard enough to umpire, but missing obvious ones, especially in such important circumstances, alters games. It did yesterday. And anyone even remotely unbiased would admit it.
The people saying even more are the bookmakers and major gambling sponsors, it would have cost them thousands if not millions!
Usually by now I’ve moved on from the disappointment but I can’t shake this one off. Anyone else?
I should be used to it really but this one has really bitten deep ????
Usually by now I’ve moved on from the disappointment but I can’t shake this one off. Anyone else?
I should be used to it really but this one has really bitten deep ????
yep, it hurts more today than it did yesterday.
Usually by now I’ve moved on from the disappointment but I can’t shake this one off. Anyone else?
I should be used to it really but this one has really bitten deep ????
Yes hard to believe we’re a game clear in last place with gws away to come. Shocker.
I picked.the honorable loss. We are the absolute masters of it. Seen it too often to get excited about running Collingwood close. We did the the same against the Eagles last, led late and lost by 10pts. See it too often to get sucked in.
Fact is that is now 4 wins fron 40.
Never seen you look happier Jim ????????
Usually by now I’ve moved on from the disappointment but I can’t shake this one off. Anyone else?
I should be used to it really but this one has really bitten deep ????
x3...Got excited by the way we played and made comment in the in game thread we would win that game so
I was very disappointed and felt cheated by the umpires and thats what remains as a nagging frustration.
Fact is that is now 4 wins fron 40.
Fact also is our game has improved a lot from last season.
Fact also is our game has improved a lot from last season.
That's not saying much, last season was our worst season for 100 years.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/4-points-new-big-three-signal-a-changing-of-the-guard-20190512-p51mkn.html
That's not saying much, last season was our worst season for 100 years.
We've shown in patches the best footy we've played since Bolton took over, and I would argue the best since Mick's first season.
We've shown in patches the best footy we've played since Bolton took over, and I would argue the best since Mick's first season.
Nonetheless, whilst I agree with you, at some point we need to start winning games consistently (this year) otherwise Bolton will be made the fall guy - rightly or wrongly....
We've shown in patches the best footy we've played since Bolton took over, and I would argue the best since Mick's first season.
Nonetheless, whilst I agree with you, at some point we need to start winning games consistently (this year) otherwise Bolton will be made the fall guy - rightly or wrongly....
Objectively both accurate statements.
One discusses a love of the new direction, while the other repeats concerns that the old ways have not yet left.
That's not saying much, last season was our worst season for 100 years.
Correct, and while everyone might be happy with the way we played, we still don't spread the load enough.
Far too reliant on too few. Cripps and Kruezer were standouts, even though Grundy was very good.
I like what Weitering is bringing, some real class there.
Charlie did some very good things for the first time this year but still many silly mistakes.
We really needed Newman playing to sure up the back line.
Stocker looks good, solid player with a good kick.
Cunningham looks like he's improving
We've shown in patches the best footy we've played since Bolton took over, and I would argue the best since Mick's first season.
But still nowhere near what Ratts had us achieving, in terms of Ws and Ls.
But still nowhere near what Ratts had us achieving, in terms of Ws and Ls.
We won’t be defined by Ws and Ls ;)
I had to meet a bloke at North Shore at 7 this morning to pick up some corrugated iron. On the drive back, I switched the wireless to SEN just in time to hear Garry, Timmy and Nick talk about our game. They were all in furious agreement that we are on the improve and the wins will come. They also heaped praise on our midfield for matching the Pies’ mob. That reminded me of a pre-season discussion in which it was suggested that we were about three years behind Collingwood’s midfield. Guess what? We’ve caught up :)
While we may not have the Ws we would like, our Ls have been close and, except for the North debacle, we aren’t experiencing the blowout losses that eventually cost Ratts his job.
We won’t be defined by Ws and Ls ;)
I had to meet a bloke at North Shore at 7 this morning to pick up some corrugated iron. On the drive back, I switched the wireless to SEN just in time to hear Garry, Timmy and Nick talk about our game. They were all in furious agreement that we are on the improve and the wins will come. They also heaped praise on our midfield for matching the Pies’ mob. That reminded me of a pre-season discussion in which it was suggested that we were about three years behind Collingwood’s midfield. Guess what? We’ve caught up :)
While we may not have the Ws we would like, our Ls have been close and, except for the North debacle, we aren’t experiencing the blowout losses that eventually cost Ratts his job.
Correct, we haven't had a blowout for 8 days :))
With fair umpirung today. We win.
This. x 1 million.
I thought that bar the last 5 minutes, where our guys looked broken once Collingwood got more than a goal in front, we were the better side. Deserved a win, but obviously the AFL had decreed differently, and they had instructed the umps to make it happen.
24-8 free kick count is putrid, and just doesnt happen legitimately at this level of footy.
We won’t be defined by Ws and Ls ;)
I had to meet a bloke at North Shore at 7 this morning to pick up some corrugated iron. On the drive back, I switched the wireless to SEN just in time to hear Garry, Timmy and Nick talk about our game. They were all in furious agreement that we are on the improve and the wins will come. They also heaped praise on our midfield for matching the Pies’ mob. That reminded me of a pre-season discussion in which it was suggested that we were about three years behind Collingwood’s midfield. Guess what? We’ve caught up :)
While we may not have the Ws we would like, our Ls have been close and, except for the North debacle, we aren’t experiencing the blowout losses that eventually cost Ratts his job.
I was rarely convinced during Ratten's tenure that we could compete consistently.
Even in our best season under him, there just seemed to be some really big gaps between our best and our worst that would cost us matches.
This. x 1 million.
I thought that bar the last 5 minutes, where our guys looked broken once Collingwood got more than a goal in front, we were the better side. Deserved a win, but obviously the AFL had decreed differently, and they had instructed the umps to make it happen.
24-8 free kick count is putrid, and just doesnt happen legitimately at this level of footy.
I believe in the
conspiracy theory!
The theory that the AFL will do whatever it can to keep us down for as long as possible.
They brought in Free Agency to keep the good teams up.
They introduced the Runner rule which effects young teams.
They are influencing the umps.
etc...
How can a 24-8 free kick count not be questioned? :o
We won’t be defined by Ws and Ls ;)
I had to meet a bloke at North Shore at 7 this morning to pick up some corrugated iron. On the drive back, I switched the wireless to SEN just in time to hear Garry, Timmy and Nick talk about our game. They were all in furious agreement that we are on the improve and the wins will come. They also heaped praise on our midfield for matching the Pies’ mob. That reminded me of a pre-season discussion in which it was suggested that we were about three years behind Collingwood’s midfield. Guess what? We’ve caught up :)
While we may not have the Ws we would like, our Ls have been close and, except for the North debacle, we aren’t experiencing the blowout losses that eventually cost Ratts his job.
I'm actually finding the media sympathy and platitudes difficult to stomach. So much love. So many words of encouragement from former snarlers. All the nice words and associated fluff in the world will not replace actually winning. And none of these people actually really care or are invested in our success like we are... a comfortable position to be in. Less luvvy duvvy please. There is a little solace in experts seeing improvement, we like that... better than the alternative.
Bottom line, we continue to lose... yes, we now lose with bouquets and sweet fragrances but we still lose.
And I guess there will always be those who are okay with honourable and honest loses. Then there will always be those who are only okay with wins and finals. I'm in the latter camp.
I believe in the conspiracy theory!
The theory that the AFL will do whatever it can to keep us down for as long as possible.
They brought in Free Agency to keep the good teams up.
They introduced the Runner rule which effects young teams.
They are influencing the umps.
etc...
How can a 24-8 free kick count not be questioned? :o
I am sure the AFL would love a very successful CFC. Bigger crowds and increased ratings means more loot. AFL happier.
This. x 1 million.
I thought that bar the last 5 minutes, where our guys looked broken once Collingwood got more than a goal in front, we were the better side. Deserved a win, but obviously the AFL had decreed differently, and they had instructed the umps to make it happen.
24-8 free kick count is putrid, and just doesnt happen legitimately at this level of footy.
We are just not putting sides away when we play well, we're still lacking the finishing we need to top off our periods of dominance. We keep scrapping up a goal or two lead when we should be 5 or 7 goals ahead!
As for the frees, it can only be explained by a bias, but is it a conscious or subconscious bias? I'd say it's subconscious, the umpires favor the name players, they always have and they always will! So if that assertion is true it suggests the free kick count will be yet another unwanted by-product of our scorched earth list policy!
We are just not putting sides away when we play well, we're still lacking the finishing we need to top off our periods of dominance. We keep scrapping up a goal or two lead when we should be 5 or 7 goals ahead!
As for the frees, it can only be explained by a bias, but is it a conscious or subconscious bias? I'd say it's subconscious, the umpires favor the name players, they always have and they always will! So if that assertion is true it suggests the free kick count will be yet another unwanted by-product of our scorched earth list policy!
Correct, its not about the end of the games, its about us not piling on enough goals when we have momentum and are controlling play.
We dominated Hawthorn for example but could only get 5-6 goals up when we had the game on our terms and that isnt enough vs half decent teams
to finish them off when you have another half of footy to go.
We are just not putting sides away when we play well, we're still lacking the finishing we need to top off our periods of dominance. We keep scrapping up a goal or two lead when we should be 5 or 7 goals ahead!
As for the frees, it can only be explained by a bias, but is it a conscious or subconscious bias? I'd say it's subconscious, the umpires favor the name players, they always have and they always will! So if that assertion is true it suggests the free kick count will be yet another unwanted by-product of our scorched earth list policy!
Every other team screams for free kicks when they think they should get them, we don't. They do it to get the umpires thinking they might have made a mistake.
Every other team give away a few free's in the forward half, knowing only a certain number of free's will get called. Better away from the oppositions goals.
Every other team smashes our defenders, providing a massive path for their team mate, knowing the free is rarely given. We don't do this enough.
It is coaching 101. Clarkson is all over it, so is Hardwick.
A few goals difference in a game and all of a sudden you have W not an L
Correct, its not about the end of the games, its about us not piling on enough goals when we have momentum and are controlling play.
We dominated Hawthorn for example but could only get 5-6 goals up when we had the game on our terms and that isnt enough vs half decent teams
to finish them off when you have another half of footy to go.
Yep, when commentators like Matthews, Parkin and Carey keep saying this, I realise to some Carey is a ^$#^&@^&, but when he talks football fans should listen.
The last few weeks I keep hearing them say things like we should be "at least 5 goals up" when we are only a few points up! I expect that but sometimes I reserve my own opinion as it's clearly biased, so when I start hearing others say it perhaps it's time to listen!
It is coaching 101. Clarkson is all over it, so is Hardwick.
It's nothing to do with coaches, it's player and player experience.
Do you think it's a coached behavior when you watch "Kung Fu Xiao Shifu Karate Wizard" spend 80% of his game time running around begging towards the umpires like a starving dog? I'm dead-set surprised he hasn't claimed he was bitten when his elbow hit his opponent in the face! ;D
Watched the game on reply and noticed a few things I missed at the game. Jack is a better player then i gave him credit for. He is very smart with ball in hand even under pressure, always gives a contest brings the ball to ground regardless how poorly the ball is delivered to him. He was directly and indirectly involved in a high number of our scores and is now an important mid sized forward in our line up. No longer a depth player IMO.
Cunningham is developing and has something special about him I reckon... could turn out to be the best kid we have. Has one thing none of our kids have 'breakaway speed'. Love the way he side steps at speed and has clean skills for a kid and is a very good kick for goal. Can take a hit too - DeGoery smashed him in a hard bump and I held my breath for a sec but he didn't even flinch.
Cant wait to see him with another 25-30 games uninterrupted under his belt....will be a serious player.
Aye, Cuners looks classy - one of those that always has time....
Agree, Cunningham has great speed and can kick a goal.
Simply needs to get on the park.
Has only played 20 games in his fourth year.
He is short 40-50 games of experience.
We just need the likes of Cuners, SOJ, SPS et al. to perform well on a consistent basis.....
I thought our forward line functioned thr best it has all year. We really need a couple of hungry half forwards to really finish it off. I also thought that there was more mid field cohesion. Our defensive structures are sound and the commitment to the contest was good. I am not sure what happened last week. If we play like this every week then the wheel will turn, and when it does, I will be looking to even up for all the crap that I and Carlton has had to put up with over the past few years.
I thought our forward line functioned thr best it has all year. We really need a couple of hungry half forwards to really finish it off. I also thought that there was more mid field cohesion. Our defensive structures are sound and the commitment to the contest was good. I am not sure what happened last week. If we play like this every week then the wheel will turn, and when it does, I will be looking to even up for all the crap that I and Carlton has had to put up with over the past few years.
years or decades? ;)
Cunningham and SOS are both very clever footballers. They played particularly well with each other on the weekend. Frequently setting each other up.
Cunningham (as I've said) makes us a 5 goal better team when he's playing and we give him half a chance.
Cunningham and SOS are both very clever footballers. They played particularly well with each other on the weekend. Frequently setting each other up.
Cunningham (as I've said) makes us a 5 goal better team when he's playing and we give him half a chance.
Yep he's surprised this year.
To compete with the pies, we need Cunningham, SPS, Setterfield, Dow and Walsh getting 25-30 each.
Collingwood had 3 players get 34.
7 of their mids had 23 or more. 5 of that 7 kicked 1 or more goals.
That is a very serious contribution.
Cunningham and SOS are both very clever footballers. They played particularly well with each other on the weekend. Frequently setting each other up.
Cunningham (as I've said) makes us a 5 goal better team when he's playing and we give him half a chance.
Beginning to like the look of Cunners myself - already liked Jack.
Yep he's surprised this year.
To compete with the pies, we need Cunningham, SPS, Setterfield, Dow and Walsh getting 25-30 each.
Collingwood had 3 players get 34.
7 of their mids had 23 or more. 5 of that 7 kicked 1 or more goals.
That is a very serious contribution.
People get seduced by Collingwood stats. They chip back and forth 4 times, go backwards, end up bombing down the line from a worse position than they started with all options covered yet they had 4 possessions. They aren't real possessions.
But I agree - Samo in particular - he needs to go from 35 pos on his good days to 25 on his bad (not 16). 5 of his 8 games this year he's been in the teens. He's still miles off unfortunately. Shame because our fortunes are closely tied to his performances in my opinion. He's a real barometer for us.
Never seen you look happier Jim ????????
Would I be happy? Telling it like it is. you can do that.
Not sure if you think a 10% record over 40 games is good 4th year into a rebuild but I don't. It's terrible! lose next week and that figure becomes single figues. Like in what universe is that acceptable.
Just don't have the right coach. always a risk getting someone who has played the same amount of AFL games as the rest of us. Needed to fix culture so having a bloke who hasn't played risks not getting full respect. Would do nothing to improve culture. May well be playing out that way. Something has to be it 4 from 40.
Beginning to like the look of Cunners myself - already liked Jack.
I was sold when I saw the way he tore Ess apart in the preseason comp. Kicked 3 and gave a few off.
That kidney injury cost us a couple of wins for sure.
People get seduced by Collingwood stats. They chip back and forth 4 times, go backwards, end up bombing down the line from a worse position than they started with all options covered yet they had 4 possessions. They aren't real possessions.
But I agree - Samo in particular - he needs to go from 35 pos on his good days to 25 on his bad (not 16). 5 of his 8 games this year he's been in the teens. He's still miles off unfortunately. Shame because our fortunes are closely tied to his performances in my opinion. He's a real barometer for us.
For me it's the work rate they exhibit to knock up that many.
And they work really hared both ways.
They also had 10% more tackles than us.
It is a base fitness thing, but some of our guys (SPS and Cunningham) should almost be there after 3+4 years respectively
Would I be happy? Telling it like it is. you can do that.
Not sure if you think a 10% record over 40 games is good 4th year into a rebuild but I don't. It's terrible! lose next week and that figure becomes single figues. Like in what universe is that acceptable.
Just don't have the right coach. always a risk getting someone who has played the same amount of AFL games as the rest of us. Needed to fix culture so having a bloke who hasn't played risks not getting full respect. Would do nothing to improve culture. May well be playing out that way. something has to be at 4 from 40.
Yeah we've got to get some bl00dy wins on the board for sure.
We did run the grand finalists close with a team with 11 players under 22 (I think was the quote in the Age). But yes.... the talent is there to be winning more than 1 game so far this year - and that performance against Norf still gives me nightmares.
For me it's the work rate they exhibit to knock up that many.
And they work really hared both ways.
They also had 10% more tackles than us.
It is a base fitness thing, but some of our guys (SPS and Cunningham) should almost be there after 3+4 years respectively
Yes - they had us covered early for tackles, pos, etc. then by half time we'd caught them on everything (except free kicks) and then by 3qtr time we were in front on everything (except free kicks). Then at the end of the game they'd just kept going for longer and got on top of the stats - including just managing to shade us in the free kick count.
People get seduced by Collingwood stats. They chip back and forth 4 times, go backwards, end up bombing down the line from a worse position than they started with all options covered yet they had 4 possessions. They aren't real possessions.
But I agree - Samo in particular - he needs to go from 35 pos on his good days to 25 on his bad (not 16). 5 of his 8 games this year he's been in the teens. He's still miles off unfortunately. Shame because our fortunes are closely tied to his performances in my opinion. He's a real barometer for us.
Its the big possession's that count, ball find its way to Pendlebury who hits up Degoey with the one handed mark who goals.....Cripps misses goal when we could have held a decent lead.
DeGoey kicks that one off the ground out of nothing.....its the big moments where the good teams get us and when we cant deliver.
Agree on Samo, going to very influential if he gets 35 because he uses the ball well but with 16-20 only thats not enough especially vs quality opposition.
For me it's the work rate they exhibit to knock up that many.
And they work really hared both ways.
They also had 10% more tackles than us.
It is a base fitness thing, but some of our guys (SPS and Cunningham) should almost be there after 3+4 years respectively
SPS maybe, he's only in his 3rd year, and his first year was interupted.
Cuningham walked under a ladder and breaks down every 6 months.
Beginning to like the look of Cunners myself - already liked Jack.
one 'n' folks! Just one ;)
SPS maybe, he's only in his 3rd year, and his first year was interupted.
Cuningham walked under a ladder and breaks down every 6 months.
Which is why we're not very good right now. One of our most important players is still only 21 and inconsistent. A lot being asked of very young guys across the board.
After a game like Sunday at least you can see how it might look when it does finally click.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-05-13/walsh-fined-by-mro
We're not a very nice team...
All those free kicks and now were beating up on the opposition weakies
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-05-13/walsh-fined-by-mro
We're not a very nice team...
All those free kicks and now were beating up on the opposition weakies
It's pretty funny. I thought we were the nice guys.
Just above that story is a video with Weeters discussing the Pies game. Speaks very well IMO.
The AFL MRO just proved that it is a corrupt joke.
Does that mean Walsh can't win the RS?
Does that mean Walsh can't win the RS?
With a fine he can still win.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-05-13/injury-update-round-9
Plow out - fractured cheekbone - where's the f'n MRO review of that incident?!!!
Willo out too.
Newman back, no Jones!
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-05-13/injury-update-round-9
Plow out - fractured cheekbone - where's the f'n MRO review of that incident?!!!
Willo out too.
Newman back, no Jones!
Williamson with back problems again....thats not good news..
Pity about Liam Jones,just just shows how hard those knocks are and what damage they do as he is a very fit unit and still needs the two weeks to get over it, in the old days players must have rocked up still concussed, how dangerous must have that been..
Apologies again if I rehash previous comments (haven't read them all) but same emotions again this week.....we just keep finding a way to lose! But with all of that, had to be pretty impressed with pretty much the whole effort bar that last 7 or 8 minutes. So many blokes put their hands up after dire games in recent weeks....Murphy/Marchbank to name a couple. But I'm still bemused at Plowman and how many mistakes he continues to make. And it's almost cover the eyes stuff when Dow gets the ball. He looks nervous and flustered and turns it over too much.
Agree with some earlier comments about Stocker. He's still pretty raw but IMH is a good size and looked pretty composed and Williamson's kicking is still better than most blokes in the team.
The forward line functioned well and Cunningham's kicking has improved heaps since his first couple of years and he is now a genuine small forward with good pace.
At the end of the day it was against last year's grand finalist and a team that most would rank as favourites to win it this year....and we lost in the last 5 minutes. Bring that sort of effort and the wins will eventually come. Yes, still heartbreaking and frustrating to be losing but that was a massive improvement on the week before.
But the fact remains...we're anchored to the bottom (again) and Adelaide would be licking their lips at the possibility of pick one in this year's draft.
WTF....so from our defenders, the following are potentially unavailable:
Jones
Simpson
Newman
Williamson
Plowman
Docherty
That's almost your starting 6 defenders apart from Weitering!
And this week up against GWS who will be filthy at losing last week.
If Williamson's back has gone again then they would be seriously concerned at his future? All the more reason to get the cheque book out and start looking at getting Tomlinson.
WTF....so from our defenders, the following are potentially unavailable:
Jones
Simpson
Newman
Williamson
Plowman
Docherty
That's almost your starting 6 defenders apart from Weitering!
And this week up against GWS who will be filthy at losing last week.
If Williamson's back has gone again then they would be seriously concerned at his future? All the more reason to get the cheque book out and start looking at getting Tomlinson.
Newman is a good chance to play according to Rusty Russell. Plowman, Jones and Simmo at least 1 more week out. Williamson is quoted as missing the next couple, but that sounds suss to me.
... Ablett gets off, the average goals per game now at a 52 year low and a complete imbalance in umpiring adjudications. Great game huh?
... Ablett gets off, the average goals per game now at a 52 year low and a complete imbalance in umpiring adjudications. Great game huh?
Couldn't agree more. Ablett and Fyfe getting off is ridiculous.
If Crippa gets a bit cranky at being tagged heavily this week and decides to jump into someone's head with his elbow he'll get off completely scott free will he?
Not in a million years.
Newman is a good chance to play according to Rusty Russell. Plowman, Jones and Simmo at least 1 more week out. Williamson is quoted as missing the next couple, but that sounds suss to me.
I expect Williamson to be out for an extended period unfortunately.
Also unfortunate is I think Garlett will be back this week as a back flank. Can't think who else we'd bring in. Can't play Gov down back surely.
Could Kennedy come in?
You may mistaken this for a scene from 'Bruno', but this would have been the MO of the umpires in the Filth rooms post match:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1nqF0ddDc8I
But the fact remains...we're anchored to the bottom (again) and Adelaide would be licking their lips at the possibility of pick one in this year's draft.
Light anchor, I think. Our % is better than four other teams. We have shown that we can play some good footy. While we have picked up a few injuries and we need our best 22 out there, I think some wins will come soon (not this week) and won't take long to leap frog some others.
I expect Williamson to be out for an extended period unfortunately.
Also unfortunate is I think Garlett will be back this week as a back flank. Can't think who else we'd bring in. Can't play Gov down back surely.
Could Kennedy come in?
Newman and Daisy on the flanks with Stocker in the pocket, we might try Casboult on your man Finlayson or even bring in Goddard.
Just hope Mummy isnt playing...Williamson must have some real doubts on his future, I'd be chatting to Tomlinson after the game if I was SOS...
Objectively both accurate statements.
One discusses a love of the new direction, while the other repeats concerns that the old ways have not yet left.
And sacking Bolton @ this point in time will reinforce that we haven’t learnt from the past and are in fact still repeating the same mistakes.
We are all devastated by the losses, but any 1/2 interested observer can stand back and see the progress being made, the wins will come.
Would I be happy? Telling it like it is. you can do that.
Not sure if you think a 10% record over 40 games is good 4th year into a rebuild but I don't. It's terrible! lose next week and that figure becomes single figues. Like in what universe is that acceptable.
Just don't have the right coach. always a risk getting someone who has played the same amount of AFL games as the rest of us. Needed to fix culture so having a bloke who hasn't played risks not getting full respect. Would do nothing to improve culture. May well be playing out that way. Something has to be it 4 from 40.
Respect is a big thing and I really can’t believe that you of all people are revelling in our and Boltons situation.
With your coaching background I really expected better of you Jim.
We are all wanting wins, you, me, Bolton and the players, but there’s usually smaller goals achieved before the 4 points.
I was talking the other day to a young SANFL footballer and an elite young cricketer, neither of whom supports Carlton but both were positively drooling at the potential they can see DEVELOPING @ Princess Park... it baffles me why you can’t ?
Light anchor, I think. Our % is better than four other teams. We have shown that we can play some good footy. While we have picked up a few injuries and we need our best 22 out there, I think some wins will come soon (not this week) and won't take long to leap frog some others.
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Newman and Daisy on the flanks with Stocker in the pocket, we might try Casboult on your man Finlayson or even bring in Goddard.
Just hope Mummy isnt playing...Williamson must have some real doubts on his future, I'd be chatting to Tomlinson after the game if I was SOS...
Mummy would be a massive out.
I agree Williamson is a real concern. Likewise Doc obviously. We've got a long term issue there.
Tomlinson is an unrestricted free agent I believe. I'd be all over him regardless as he can play so many positions.
So it seems we tried to bait (or troll) the Filth on the weekend by play Eagle Rock during our warm up on the ground (reported in the HS) today.
Good on em, try anything (within the rules) to get an edge.
ok, who is it?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/three-charged-after-mcg-brawl-during-collingwood-carlton-match-20190516-p51nzw.html
ok, who is it?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/three-charged-after-mcg-brawl-during-collingwood-carlton-match-20190516-p51nzw.html
Is it Carlton fans are sick of losing so take their frustrations out?
Or do we just have a lot of passion and still loathe Filth supporters?
Or are we just idiots, I mean it is only a game isn't it?