So we've come off a bad loss which some predicted, others seem to think it was a total shock.
However, our opponents have definitely come off a bad loss which nobody could've predicted. Saints loss of 145 points is never expected.
So question is, will the Saints bounce back? Or will we continue their pain and give them another belting?
Based on VFL results, Cripps would have to be in and I'd look to bring in Wood. If Waite and Carrots are fit, they come in too. If no Carrots, bring in Graham
Who goes out...
Reckon Lucas and Bell earned themselves some time in the 2's. Casboult can go back and practice his kicking. Might be time to give Tuohy a rest as well.
Meat must stay in the 1's. He's the only one in the team that is clunking marks and he can't keep going backwards and forwards to the seconds, would just ruin his confidence.
We should win but if history teaches me anything tip Saints on a Monday night. Also I reckon Richo will have them ready for us, he'll have a point to prove.
Might just be the first nil all draw in AFL history.
Gee it's hard to summon up any optimism re our club at present.
I think it's over for Carrazzo, he is officially a liability now, you cannot go forward with blokes who are highly likely to limp off 5 minutes into a game. It is a pity because I love his heart and soul, he bleeds navy blue, but he should do what is right by the club!
Waite only gets a pass mark because he seems to have the ability to play injured, he has enough skill and ability to contribute at 80%.
Cripps was flying yesterday but that broken nose or fracture might keep him out for a week or two.
Casboult has done enough to stay, his kicking is a problem, but his marking is first class at the moment. He needs better specialist coaching, plain and simple, keep him at least 50m out or running across the goal square. Anywhere in between he is a liability.
Might just be the first nil all draw in AFL history.
Gee it's hard to summon up any optimism re our club at present.
We are way ahead of the saints
We will probably win by 6+ goals
If we play like we did on Friday and they play like they did on Saturday we'll win by 10 goals.
Meat must stay in the 1's. He's the only one in the team that is clunking marks and he can't keep going backwards and forwards to the seconds, would just ruin his confidence.
Why must he stay in? He can take a grab, kick a behind if he's lucky and hand the ball straight back to the opposition.
Its the same logic with Warnock when he was struggling. "But he is winning the hitouts"....and they are going straight to the opposition as much as they are going to us....so whats the point?
Wood managed 73 hitouts in the VFL last match. What about rewarding his efforts? He can kick straight, and can take a mark.
If we play like we did on Friday and they play like they did on Saturday we'll win by 10 goals.
TBF, they were coming off two 6 day breaks and an overseas trip against one of the best. I think we'll see a different Saints and one looking for redemption.
Meat must stay in the 1's. He's the only one in the team that is clunking marks and he can't keep going backwards and forwards to the seconds, would just ruin his confidence.
He'll stay in.
Kick a goal had a couple of shots and almost popped the footy in some of his grabs.
We just need MM to understand that the bomb is dead.
Wood managed 73 hitouts in the VFL last match. What about rewarding his efforts? He can kick straight, and can take a mark.
With that number of hitouts in a losing side you'd have to wonder how well they were directed.
It doesn't look like we had the advantage that type of dominance would suggest.
Fun trivia fact
Most hitouts in an AFL game- Gary Dempsey (Nortyh Melb) 63 ....but Hawthorn won the match 32-14-206 to North 15-22-112
Tuck and Wallace had 30+ and Matthews kicked 7 so it looks like they picked off the hitouts fairly well.
I find that's the problem with a lot of our players Kruddler. They can do some things really great but they all have weaknesses that get exposed against good sides.
Gibbs: Good player, kicks well, lacks urgency, lack of pace gets exposed running the other way.
Bell: Hard at it, slow, butchers the ball
Robbo: Hard at it, Good overhead, butchers the ball. (Not sure why he isn't used as a permanent forward)
Everitt: Gets a lot of the ball, uses it well, only plays outside and is a little soft.
Warnock: Is tall, can't mark, can't kick.
Casboult: Takes big marks, crashes packs, worst kick in the AFL.
Rowe: Tries hard, can play anywhere, slow.
McLean: Hard at it, really slow.
Garlett: Has pace, applies more pressure than anyone, tackles don't stick, can go missing
Henderson: Good mark, good kick, slow
Scotland: Good user, has slowed down due to age.
Walker: Run and pace, poor one on one, can butcher the ball.
Thomas: Runs hard, can no longer kick.
Lucas: Appears to have pace, can't handle the pressure
Tuohy: Runs hard, aggressive, beautiful kick, poor one on one.
Midfield pace seems to be a big issue.
Wood managed 73 hitouts in the VFL last match. What about rewarding his efforts? He can kick straight, and can take a mark.
With that number of hitouts in a losing side you'd have to wonder how well they were directed.
It doesn't look like we had the advantage that type of dominance would suggest.
Fun trivia fact
Most hitouts in an AFL game- Gary Dempsey (Nortyh Melb) 63 ....but Hawthorn won the match 32-14-206 to North 15-22-112
I'm not suggested we should expect similar from him if he was picked for us, but you gotta reward his effort. He'd be backup to Warnock and would spend time down forward. (essentially the same role Casboult is playing now). The main reason for his inclusion, besides reward for effort, is to have an increased output in front of goals. In short, he can kick!
Henderson isn't slow for a KPP but you've got of the rest pegged.
But we wouldn't be the only club who has a list profile like this but ours is probably longer.
FWIW I reckon if one of Beams, Swann or Pendlebury went down the Pies would be just another team.
I know I keep banging on about gun midfields but it's the difference. You need three or four stars and 3 or 4 really good back up.
Wood managed 73 hitouts in the VFL last match. What about rewarding his efforts? He can kick straight, and can take a mark.
With that number of hitouts in a losing side you'd have to wonder how well they were directed.
It doesn't look like we had the advantage that type of dominance would suggest.
Fun trivia fact
Most hitouts in an AFL game- Gary Dempsey (Nortyh Melb) 63 ....but Hawthorn won the match 32-14-206 to North 15-22-112
I'm not suggested we should expect similar from him if he was picked for us, but you gotta reward his effort. He'd be backup to Warnock and would spend time down forward. (essentially the same role Casboult is playing now). The main reason for his inclusion, besides reward for effort, is to have an increased output in front of goals. In short, he can kick!
Not against the move at all Kruds,
I was more interested in the dominance of Wood, just from a statistical viewpoint, and wondered why it didn't have an impact on the result.
Just wouldn't pick him solely on the basis of the hitout numbers, and a few folk have suggested that he didn't do much around the ground.
But we wouldn't be the only club who has a list profile like this but ours is probably longer.
FWIW I reckon if one of Beams, Swann or Pendlebury went down the Pies would be just another team.
I know I keep banging on about gun midfields but it's the difference. You need three or four stars and 3 or 4 really good back up.
For sure, Judd comes in and they can't put all the focus on Murphy.
Y'day's Saints performance was one of the worst I've seen by any team for years....it was truly appalling. Lose to that mob......*shudder* I don't wanna even think about it.
But we wouldn't be the only club who has a list profile like this but ours is probably longer.
FWIW I reckon if one of Beams, Swann or Pendlebury went down the Pies would be just another team.
I know I keep banging on about gun midfields but it's the difference. You need three or four stars and 3 or 4 really good back up.
For sure, Judd comes in and they can't put all the focus on Murphy.
For all of the Bombers love, WCE hype, Tigers delusion etc over the years, these guy's will never be a threat because they have one, maybe two, quality on-ballers. They are too easy to cover.
I actually thought for a time that with Gibbs, Murph, Judd we might have a chance but Gibbs didn't become the midfielder we hoped or he found himself playing back or tagging under Ratts and MM.
No Judd now, Gibbs still finding himself filling holes so it falls to Murph.
What I don't understand is that Simpson doesn't find himself on the ball. Weve tried Eddie and Jeffy and all sorts but no Simpson. I don't get it.
Particularly when I remember Pagan put him on the ball in maybe his first season and he did well despite weighing about 65kg in a soaking wet long sleeve jumper.
Didn't he play a bit in the middle against Collingwood? Looks like he would smash it ATM.
Didn't he play a bit in the middle against Collingwood? Looks like he would smash it ATM.
He might have.
But it always looks like a bit of an after thought.
Maybe I'm imagining things, but if a midfielders skills include sure hands, good decisions under pressure, speed and good disposal, plus the ability to run all day, I would have thought he was a monty.
If we play like we did on Friday and they play like they did on Saturday we'll win by 10 goals.
TBF, they were coming off two 6 day breaks and an overseas trip against one of the best. I think we'll see a different Saints and one looking for redemption.
They have way too many injuries at the moment.
They will be down at least:
Geary
Templeton and Dunstan (part of the reason people were getiing excited by them)
Gilbert
Hickey
Armitage
no doubt they will rush Sam Fisher back too.
Wood managed 73 hitouts in the VFL last match. What about rewarding his efforts? He can kick straight, and can take a mark.
With that number of hitouts in a losing side you'd have to wonder how well they were directed.
It doesn't look like we had the advantage that type of dominance would suggest.
Fun trivia fact
Most hitouts in an AFL game- Gary Dempsey (Nortyh Melb) 63 ....but Hawthorn won the match 32-14-206 to North 15-22-112
Tuck and Wallace had 30+ and Matthews kicked 7 so it looks like they picked off the hitouts fairly well.
Sounds like a fantastic game to watch with a score like that. Sort of makes you realise what KB is on about.
Try This For Size:
Buckley Jamison O'Dougherty
White Waite Yarran
Simpson Gibbs Thomas
Armfield Henderson Menzel
Cripps Casboult Everitt
Warnock
McLean
Murphy
Inter: Graham, Walker, Robinson, Touy
Out: Rowe, Bell, Garlett, Lucas, Scotland
In: Waite, Yarran, Armfield, Cripps, Graham
If Thomas is injured, leave him out, otherwise play him.
Give Lucas his Northern Blues gold pass.
Scotland needs to make way for youth.
We recruited, Everitt, Thomas and Dougherty, let's see what they can do.
Bell needs to fix his hand up, stupid inclusion this week!!
Armfield to show Jeffy what is means to be an agressive forward.
Let Waite run from half back and follow Rewiolt, don't have Sam Rowe within 10kms of Etihad.
Give Graham and Cripps game time and back the fact that they will rise to the occasion like Buckley.
While Judd is out, we need to give the young mid fielders some decent game time.
If Carrazzo is available, consider putting him in and giving Touy a rest in the twos.
Y'day's Saints performance was one of the worst I've seen by any team for years....it was truly appalling. Lose to that mob......*shudder* I don't wanna even think about it.
We have form in this area. #1 team in the comp for playing teams back into form. >:(
God I hate playing teams like saints. Should be a easy win but u never no with carlton. I would give Graham and cripps a go. Keep docharey in and drop 2e and Lucas.
Wood managed 73 hitouts in the VFL last match. What about rewarding his efforts? He can kick straight, and can take a mark.
With that number of hitouts in a losing side you'd have to wonder how well they were directed.
It doesn't look like we had the advantage that type of dominance would suggest.
Fun trivia fact
Most hitouts in an AFL game- Gary Dempsey (Nortyh Melb) 63 ....but Hawthorn won the match 32-14-206 to North 15-22-112
I'm not suggested we should expect similar from him if he was picked for us, but you gotta reward his effort. He'd be backup to Warnock and would spend time down forward. (essentially the same role Casboult is playing now). The main reason for his inclusion, besides reward for effort, is to have an increased output in front of goals. In short, he can kick!
Not against the move at all Kruds,
I was more interested in the dominance of Wood, just from a statistical viewpoint, and wondered why it didn't have an impact on the result.
Just wouldn't pick him solely on the basis of the hitout numbers, and a few folk have suggested that he didn't do much around the ground.
I'm not picking him based solely on the hitout numbers...but the reason those numbers stand out is of interest. 73 hitouts meant he got to 73 contests. That shows some decent running/endurance abilities in itself. I'm sure we're well aware that he wouldn't have won every contest, so he may have made it to 100 contests, winning 73% of them. Shows the kind of hard working efforts that we require at senior level.
As for why he didn't do much around the ground....was probably stuffed for rucking solo all game. He won't have that problem in the 1's.
Try This For Size:
Buckley Jamison O'Dougherty
White Waite Yarran
Simpson Gibbs Thomas
Armfield Henderson Menzel
Cripps Casboult Everitt
Warnock
McLean
Murphy
Inter: Graham, Walker, Robinson, Touy
Out: Rowe, Bell, Garlett, Lucas, Scotland
In: Waite, Yarran, Armfield, Cripps, Graham
If Thomas is injured, leave him out, otherwise play him.
Give Lucas his Northern Blues gold pass.
Scotland needs to make way for youth.
We recruited, Everitt, Thomas and Dougherty, let's see what they can do.
Bell needs to fix his hand up, stupid inclusion this week!!
Armfield to show Jeffy what is means to be an agressive forward.
Let Waite run from half back and follow Rewiolt, don't have Sam Rowe within 10kms of Etihad.
Give Graham and Cripps game time and back the fact that they will rise to the occasion like Buckley.
While Judd is out, we need to give the young mid fielders some decent game time.
If Carrazzo is available, consider putting him in and giving Touy a rest in the twos.
They wont drop Rowe while they continue to play Henderson down forward......Walker, Touhy, Docherty and Buckley doesnt give us much size with
only Jamison able to take taller players.
Graham was ordinary in the NB's IMO....Cripps should be back in and even though Armfield wasnt great I would have him in the seniors in place of Lucas .....the latter is gone IMO and should not play seniors again.
I never caught up on why Waite was a late withdrawal on Friday. Injury or for team balance?
Waite and Carrazzo had back injuries according to MMM radio.
Thanks ;)
Y'day's Saints performance was one of the worst I've seen by any team for years....it was truly appalling. Lose to that mob......*shudder* I don't wanna even think about it.
We will lose make no mistake.
Y'day's Saints performance was one of the worst I've seen by any team for years....it was truly appalling. Lose to that mob......*shudder* I don't wanna even think about it.
We will lose make no mistake.
are you going to put money on it?
Are they going to play a clearly unfit Bell? Didn't do much but what he did was very good - he had direct involvement in about 4 goals I reckon and is one mid who can really make things happen from stoppages.
Y'day's Saints performance was one of the worst I've seen by any team for years....it was truly appalling. Lose to that mob......*shudder* I don't wanna even think about it.
We will lose make no mistake.
Don't scare me with the truth. I'm not ready for that at the moment.
Y'day's Saints performance was one of the worst I've seen by any team for years....it was truly appalling. Lose to that mob......*shudder* I don't wanna even think about it.
We will lose make no mistake.
are you going to put money on it?
Ive done ok this year punting against us, feels dirty but...
I've always said you should tip with your head and not your heart. I have won 5 tipping contests on this basis and currently sit in second position in my latest. Just where I want to be at this stage of the season.
I've always said you should tip with your head and not your heart. I have won 5 tipping contests on this basis and currently sit in second position in my latest. Just where I want to be at this stage of the season.
And who r u tipping this week saints or us?
I shall tip Carlton.
I shall tip Carlton also.
We are a patchy side, we play in patches.
It's not good enough to beat Collingwood.
It should be good enough to beat St Kilda...they were awful on the weekend
The only danger is we take a "We've just got to turn up" attitude into the game.
Try This For Size:
Buckley Jamison O'Dougherty
White Waite Yarran
Simpson Gibbs Thomas
Armfield Henderson Menzel
Cripps Casboult Everitt
Warnock
McLean
Murphy
Inter: Graham, Walker, Robinson, Touy
Out: Rowe, Bell, Garlett, Lucas, Scotland
In: Waite, Yarran, Armfield, Cripps, Graham
Who the hell is O'Dougherty??? My god, it's not even remotely close to Docherty. Who the hell is Touy? You are a Carlton supporter right?
Chris O'Dougherty.... Lacrosse player ....international recruit?
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Y'day's Saints performance was one of the worst I've seen by any team for years....it was truly appalling. Lose to that mob......*shudder* I don't wanna even think about it.
We will lose make no mistake.
are you going to put money on it?
i will!!!
Try This For Size:
Buckley Jamison O'Dougherty
White Waite Yarran
Simpson Gibbs Thomas
Armfield Henderson Menzel
Cripps Casboult Everitt
Warnock
McLean
Murphy
Inter: Graham, Walker, Robinson, Touy
Out: Rowe, Bell, Garlett, Lucas, Scotland
In: Waite, Yarran, Armfield, Cripps, Graham
Who the hell is O'Dougherty??? My god, it's not even remotely close to Docherty. Who the hell is Touy? You are a Carlton supporter right?
:))
Bit harsh Brettie though the O'Dougherty is a pissa. That's Australia for you when it comes to name pronunciation as well. I have a relatively easy Greek surname to pronounce but do you think anyone gets it right? Well they do if they actually take the time to look at the name properly but that's all too much for most.
Are they going to play a clearly unfit Bell? Didn't do much but what he did was very good - he had direct involvement in about 4 goals I reckon and is one mid who can really make things happen from stoppages.
Here I have to disagree, if Bell is on the park he needs to be working hard breaking packs at stoppages and smashing opponents, he did very little of that at the weekend. There are a heap of guys who have better pace and outside skills than Bell.
When blokes like Simpson, Gibbs and Murphy get stuck working on the inside and blokes like Bell and McLean are on the outside the world has turned upside down.
At the weekend Bell looked like a guy who didn't want to risk re-injuring himself!
I take what the coach or the MC say with a grain of salt, Bell wasn't ready, he was weeks away from being ready!
Try This For Size:
Buckley Jamison O'Dougherty
White Waite Yarran
Simpson Gibbs Thomas
Armfield Henderson Menzel
Cripps Casboult Everitt
Warnock
McLean
Murphy
Inter: Graham, Walker, Robinson, Touy
Out: Rowe, Bell, Garlett, Lucas, Scotland
In: Waite, Yarran, Armfield, Cripps, Graham
If Thomas is injured, leave him out, otherwise play him.
Give Lucas his Northern Blues gold pass.
Scotland needs to make way for youth.
We recruited, Everitt, Thomas and Dougherty, let's see what they can do.
Bell needs to fix his hand up, stupid inclusion this week!!
Armfield to show Jeffy what is means to be an agressive forward.
Let Waite run from half back and follow Rewiolt, don't have Sam Rowe within 10kms of Etihad.
Give Graham and Cripps game time and back the fact that they will rise to the occasion like Buckley.
While Judd is out, we need to give the young mid fielders some decent game time.
If Carrazzo is available, consider putting him in and giving Touy a rest in the twos.
Just do not understand the Rowe hate, is he the new Hampson? What I want is guys who have a crack, Rowe has some pace and he had a crack. Sure he got beaten a couple of times by Cloke, who won't? PS; On a couple of them Rowe should have got frees and on another Cloke was delivered the ball wrapped in a bow by the umpires.
I think you cannot have too many blokes like Graham and Cripps at Etihad, it is a very fast surface so you need pace. It is also a hard surface so blokes who are fitness questionable like Carrazzo and Waite are almost automatic exclusions. If you do add kids like Cripps or Graham you must retain the likes of a Scotland or McLean for some experience and balance.
Guys who have a crack are okay but as Hulme showed us, they don't end up getting you anywhere.
Menzel starts sub and I will seriously consider boycotting...
Geary out, Saints will have to find someone else to kick and stamp on Murphy.
Guys who have a crack are okay but as Hulme showed us, they don't end up getting you anywhere.
Menzel starts sub and I will seriously consider boycotting...
You cannot use a bloke like Hulme who was a 175cm on-baller and must contest 100+ stoppages a game, to blokes like Rowe or White who probably get two dozen direct contests to influence in a whole match.
In the last few weeks Rowe has been on some of the leagues very best forwards and so far I haven't seen anyone clearly stitching him up, certainly no more than they do anybody else!
Guys who have a crack are okay but as Hulme showed us, they don't end up getting you anywhere.
Menzel starts sub and I will seriously consider boycotting...
You cannot use a bloke like Hulme who was a 175cm on-baller and must contest 100+ stoppages a game, to blokes like Rowe or White who probably get two dozen direct contests to influence in a whole match.
In the last few weeks Rowe has been on some of the leagues very best forwards and so far I haven't seen anyone clearly stitching him up, certainly no more than they do anybody else!
Agree with that. I think they do really well in contesting and marking contests, but their biggest weakness is ball use. They attack the contest hard, and Rowe particularly has spoiled many opponents, whilst White has stitched up a couple that normally do some damage against us, and they have both performed reasonably well on the defensive side of their games. Offensively is another story, but I cant really remember how long its been since we had a few blokes in our backline that you could park on an opposition forward and be comfortable knowing that they wont really get off the leash and these two are starting to provied that for us.
I reckon Rowe has been ok... i thought he was better this week than last week. He has been able to compete in the air. Absolute Mick Martyn levels of panic when the ball hits the deck, but a bit of composure might come with more game time.
I reckon Rowe has been ok... i thought he was better this week than last week. He has been able to compete in the air. Absolute Mick Martyn levels of panic when the ball hits the deck, but a bit of composure might come with more game time.
In fairness to Rowe he is definitely still learning the caper as a defender at AFL level. Despite a few heart in mouth moments he has done OK, bearing in mind our stocks are very thin. I hate to see blokes who are forced to play a new and unfamiliar role being crucified when they make the occasional inevitable mistake. CFC unfortunately have, as I have oft pointed out, a history of this.
More game time may see him get better and develop into a useful backup type player at least in the medium term.
Try This For Size:
Buckley Jamison O'Dougherty
White Waite Yarran
Simpson Gibbs Thomas
Armfield Henderson Menzel
Cripps Casboult Everitt
Warnock
McLean
Murphy
Inter: Graham, Walker, Robinson, Touy
Out: Rowe, Bell, Garlett, Lucas, Scotland
In: Waite, Yarran, Armfield, Cripps, Graham
Who the hell is O'Dougherty??? My god, it's not even remotely close to Docherty. Who the hell is Touy? You are a Carlton supporter right?
Nah......an English teacher who has an eye for detail. ;)
I reckon Rowe has been ok... i thought he was better this week than last week. He has been able to compete in the air. Absolute Mick Martyn levels of panic when the ball hits the deck, but a bit of composure might come with more game time.
In fairness to Rowe he is definitely still learning the caper as a defender at AFL level. Despite a few heart in mouth moments he has done OK, bearing in mind our stocks are very thin. I hate to see blokes who are forced to play a new and unfamiliar role being crucified when they make the occasional inevitable mistake. CFC unfortunately have, as I have oft pointed out, a history of this.
More game time may see him get better and develop into a useful backup type player at least in the medium term.
Didn't we kill of Luke Livingston this way, by playing him back all the time? I thought he always played and moved like a forward, but was never played there for any length of time.
Agree with that. I think they do really well in contesting and marking contests, but their biggest weakness is ball use. They attack the contest hard, and Rowe particularly has spoiled many opponents, whilst White has stitched up a couple that normally do some damage against us, and they have both performed reasonably well on the defensive side of their games. Offensively is another story, but I cant really remember how long its been since we had a few blokes in our backline that you could park on an opposition forward and be comfortable knowing that they wont really get off the leash and these two are starting to provied that for us.
Agree about the ball use, but they are not alone in our side in this regard.
In fairness, I think you would find a lot of people saying the same thing about Gibson or Lake if they were forced to kick more. It's the lack of quality ball users around Rowe and White that makes them look worse than they really are! Edit: And the lack of blokes working hard to get back and crumb as well, Dawks always seem to have two or three!
I hope we dont lose to the Aints >:( surely we can beat those pathetic no hopers who rely on their 3 old stages to get them through.I wouldnt want to work on the switchboard at Carlton on Tuesday if we lose :-[
O'Rowe and O'White are stop gaps for this season and will continue to get games as O'Watson, O'Bootsma and O' McInnes are not up to it.....the former both have a crack and follow coaches instructions to the best of their ability...problme being those abilities are limited.
O'Giles is a rebounding defender along the lines of O'McCarthy and will need to harden up to play senior footy and put some kegs on that frame of his.
O'Rowe and O'White are stop gaps for this season and will continue to get games as O'Watson, O'Bootsma and O' McInnes are not up to it.....the former both have a crack and follow coaches instructions to the best of their ability...problme being those abilities are limited.
O'Giles is a rebounding defender along the lines of O'McCarthy and will need to harden up to play senior footy and put some kegs on that frame of his.
O'crap!
That looks so bad when you read it.
Pity McInnes busted his knee, don't reckon he's been the same since.
O'crap!
That looks so bad when you read it.
Pity McInnes busted his knee, don't reckon he's been the same since.
Stock standard for some players to take almost two full seasons to overcome that sort of injury.
O'crap!
That looks so bad when you read it.
Pity McInnes busted his knee, don't reckon he's been the same since.
Stock standard for some players to take almost two full seasons to overcome that sort of injury.
I though he he showed quite a bit of potential pre-knee. I think I even said I saw a potential future captain (shoot me now). He has gone backwards since the knee, he has time on his side, perhaps he needs to get his confidence back in it.
These Monday night games are usually our undoing.
A good start and I think Saints heads will drop.
Give them a sniff though, and we're doomed.
The fact that we go into a game against a side whose just been pummelled by 145 points, and still are unsure as to if we re going to win or not, shows just how sad of a Club we are right now.
These Monday night games are usually our undoing.
A good start and I think Saints heads will drop.
Give them a sniff though, and we're doomed.
The fact that we go into a game against a side whose just been pummelled by 145 points, and still are unsure as to if we re going to win or not, shows just how sad of a Club we are right now.
The feeling in my stomach is that the Saints will come out hard to save the coaches life. They will fight every contest and we might not even get a sniff of the footy. Just a feeling and a bad one at that. 2 and 6 before the bye will be a long and needed rest, and we will be about as low as we can get. I hope I am horribly wrong. Really do hope at the moment. can't dream to think we are as bad as Richmond. Worse is the fact we couldn't beat them. ???
These Monday night games are usually our undoing.
A good start and I think Saints heads will drop.
Give them a sniff though, and we're doomed.
The fact that we go into a game against a side whose just been pummelled by 145 points, and still are unsure as to if we re going to win or not, shows just how sad of a Club we are right now.
The feeling in my stomach is that the Saints will come out hard to save the coaches life. They will fight every contest and we might not even get a sniff of the footy. Just a feeling and a bad one at that. 2 and 6 before the bye will be a long and needed rest, and we will be about as low as we can get. I hope I am horribly wrong. Really do hope at the moment. can't dream to think we are as bad as Richmond. Worse is the fact we couldn't beat them. ???
I suspect we'll lose to the Saints. They'll be hurting after that mauling and feeling good about playing Carlton. It's a well known fact they don't fear us (former player confirmed that). Carlton don't run hard enough and the feeling was if you put the torch onto Carlton we fold. I have to say that's proven fairly accurate over the last couple of years. God help us when we play Hawthorn.
Defining game for both clubs.
We must smash them if our list wants respect.
A close win won't earn respect, but a pass.
A loss be it a belting or not will confirm that we are serious contenders for the spoon.
Think we will win pretty easy TBH.
Will Be nice to play a game against them and not have BB McEvoy take 2 billion marks.
These Monday night games are usually our undoing.
A good start and I think Saints heads will drop.
Give them a sniff though, and we're doomed.
The fact that we go into a game against a side whose just been pummelled by 145 points, and still are unsure as to if we re going to win or not, shows just how sad of a Club we are right now.
The feeling in my stomach is that the Saints will come out hard to save the coaches life. They will fight every contest and we might not even get a sniff of the footy. Just a feeling and a bad one at that. 2 and 6 before the bye will be a long and needed rest, and we will be about as low as we can get. I hope I am horribly wrong. Really do hope at the moment. can't dream to think we are as bad as Richmond. Worse is the fact we couldn't beat them. ???
The Saints don't have to save their coach's life; he was employed to rebuild the list. Unlike our coach who was drafted in to win a premiership :P
Yes, our list has deficiencies but it's not just another KPP and a ruckman who can mark. It's players with hardness and a bit of mongrel that we need. Until we get them, opposition teams will always have physicality as their fallback when playing us.
Think we will win pretty easy TBH.
Will Be nice to play a game against them and not have BB McEvoy take 2 billion marks.
Hope you're right Cimm - but hasn't McEvoy improved since he went to Hawthorn!
DJC, rebuilding a list by being absolutely thumped will only last so long before questions are asked. Its not like they have no forward target that can kick goals. Sure they are a side without any depth. They are not GWS or GCS in their first season either. Either way we lose to them and the media will be hunting down our club for some serious please explain, and we will need to have some answers. Even more so the supporters will want to hear what we say.
Wood managed 73 hitouts in the VFL last match. What about rewarding his efforts? He can kick straight, and can take a mark.
With that number of hitouts in a losing side you'd have to wonder how well they were directed.
It doesn't look like we had the advantage that type of dominance would suggest.
Fun trivia fact
Most hitouts in an AFL game- Gary Dempsey (Nortyh Melb) 63 ....but Hawthorn won the match 32-14-206 to North 15-22-112
I'm not suggested we should expect similar from him if he was picked for us, but you gotta reward his effort. He'd be backup to Warnock and would spend time down forward. (essentially the same role Casboult is playing now). The main reason for his inclusion, besides reward for effort, is to have an increased output in front of goals. In short, he can kick!
Not against the move at all Kruds,
I was more interested in the dominance of Wood, just from a statistical viewpoint, and wondered why it didn't have an impact on the result.
Just wouldn't pick him solely on the basis of the hitout numbers, and a few folk have suggested that he didn't do much around the ground.
I'm not picking him based solely on the hitout numbers...but the reason those numbers stand out is of interest. 73 hitouts meant he got to 73 contests. That shows some decent running/endurance abilities in itself. I'm sure we're well aware that he wouldn't have won every contest, so he may have made it to 100 contests, winning 73% of them. Shows the kind of hard working efforts that we require at senior level.
As for why he didn't do much around the ground....was probably stuffed for rucking solo all game. He won't have that problem in the 1's.
Prefer a bloke who can take a mark around the ground. I'll go with Casboult to back up Warnock. Sure Warnock will win alot of taps too but that'll be it.
Losing Hickey and Geary will hurt them.
If Yazz, Waite and Carrots are fit and come into the side, reckon we will win and win well.
A forward line with Hendo and Waite would be too much for their undersized defense to handle.
If Waite has really done his back then we may not get much out of him. Christou was never the same...
O'Rowe and O'White are stop gaps for this season and will continue to get games as O'Watson, O'Bootsma and O' McInnes are not up to it.....the former both have a crack and follow coaches instructions to the best of their ability...problme being those abilities are limited.
O'Giles is a rebounding defender along the lines of O'McCarthy and will need to harden up to play senior footy and put some kegs on that frame of his.
What about that new player on Friday night... O'No - been getting plenty of it this year!
If Waite has really done his back then we may not get much out of him. Christou was never the same...
Waite has been struggling with back issues for a few years now.
Wood managed 73 hitouts in the VFL last match. What about rewarding his efforts? He can kick straight, and can take a mark.
With that number of hitouts in a losing side you'd have to wonder how well they were directed.
It doesn't look like we had the advantage that type of dominance would suggest.
Fun trivia fact
Most hitouts in an AFL game- Gary Dempsey (Nortyh Melb) 63 ....but Hawthorn won the match 32-14-206 to North 15-22-112
I'm not suggested we should expect similar from him if he was picked for us, but you gotta reward his effort. He'd be backup to Warnock and would spend time down forward. (essentially the same role Casboult is playing now). The main reason for his inclusion, besides reward for effort, is to have an increased output in front of goals. In short, he can kick!
Not against the move at all Kruds,
I was more interested in the dominance of Wood, just from a statistical viewpoint, and wondered why it didn't have an impact on the result.
Just wouldn't pick him solely on the basis of the hitout numbers, and a few folk have suggested that he didn't do much around the ground.
I'm not picking him based solely on the hitout numbers...but the reason those numbers stand out is of interest. 73 hitouts meant he got to 73 contests. That shows some decent running/endurance abilities in itself. I'm sure we're well aware that he wouldn't have won every contest, so he may have made it to 100 contests, winning 73% of them. Shows the kind of hard working efforts that we require at senior level.
As for why he didn't do much around the ground....was probably stuffed for rucking solo all game. He won't have that problem in the 1's.
Prefer a bloke who can take a mark around the ground. I'll go with Casboult to back up Warnock. Sure Warnock will win alot of taps too but that'll be it.
Love to see Casboult play a full game forward, without having to run all over the ground like a mule in the ruck for half of the game - ffs give the guy a chance to succeed. Don't see any other CHF doing it, so not sure why we expect it of Levi.
Love to see Casboult play a full game forward, without having to run all over the ground like a mule in the ruck for half of the game - ffs give the guy a chance to succeed. Don't see any other CHF doing it, so not sure why we expect it of Levi.
THIS^^^^^^^
Yes please.
Love to see Casboult play a full game forward, without having to run all over the ground like a mule in the ruck for half of the game - ffs give the guy a chance to succeed. Don't see any other CHF doing it, so not sure why we expect it of Levi.
THIS^^^^^^^
Yes please.
Unfortunately I reckon if he doesn't ruck MM might not play him.
We appear to lack run and TBH I reckon us having 1 ruckman and the WCE having 2.5 one us the game.
We can win the next 3 games and be 5-5 which isn't too bad. Although I said we would win the next 3 after we lost to the bombers and we lost to Melbourne the following week. :-[
We can win the next 3 games and be 5-5 which isn't too bad. Although I said we would win the next 3 after we lost to the bombers and we lost to Melbourne the following week. :-[
The unbalanced nature of the draw means it is more than likely that we will soon see a team race up the ladder in the second half of the season, I doubt that will happen to us this season but it will happen if the draw remains unbalanced.
Love to see Casboult play a full game forward, without having to run all over the ground like a mule in the ruck for half of the game - ffs give the guy a chance to succeed. Don't see any other CHF doing it, so not sure why we expect it of Levi.
THIS^^^^^^^
Yes please.
+2
The guy can take a mark and pack marks at that plus shows a bit of mongrel. Play to his strengths not his weaknesses and the weaknesses will soon be fixed.
+2
The guy can take a mark and pack marks at that plus shows a bit of mongrel. Play to his strengths not his weaknesses and the weaknesses will soon be fixed.
While I do agree, I think Casboult's kicking is actually worse now than when he arrived at the club so I have no confidence he will improve at all!
Thats alright, tell him to take the mark and then handball to a runner!
We are fine so long as he doesnt kick it.
Thats alright, tell him to take the mark and then handball to a runner!
We are fine so long as he doesnt kick it.
I'd rather he kick it and miss than lose all confidence whatsover. I reckon in recent games his kicking has improved (NO I don't have stats to support this) and will continue to improve if he can get some confidence in his kicking.
Thats alright, tell him to take the mark and then handball to a runner!
We are fine so long as he doesnt kick it.
I'd rather he kick it and miss than lose all confidence whatsover. I reckon in recent games his kicking has improved (NO I don't have stats to support this) and will continue to improve if he can get some confidence in his kicking.
I am with you I think his kicking has improved.He should star against the AINTS
Thats alright, tell him to take the mark and then handball to a runner!
We are fine so long as he doesnt kick it.
I'd rather he kick it and miss than lose all confidence whatsover. I reckon in recent games his kicking has improved (NO I don't have stats to support this) and will continue to improve if he can get some confidence in his kicking.
Yes he has improved, he just misses instead of missing everything. Sooo gradually he will be nailing them ;)
Thats alright, tell him to take the mark and then handball to a runner!
We are fine so long as he doesnt kick it.
He kicks it ok generally, just not well 20m from goal
Guys I was being facetious.
Ive seen Levi get him through at post height from 50 (at Preston).
His ball drop is too high which generally leads to an inconsistent kick and a range of miss that can span the width of the entire goals.
The handball idea was simply to appease the ones stating his kicking woeful and have a bit of a laugh.
Im guilty of it too, but I think we need to lighten up a tad.
Guys I was being facetious.
Ive seen Levi get him through at post height from 50 (at Preston).
His ball drop is too high which generally leads to an inconsistent kick and a range of miss that can span the width of the entire goals.
The handball idea was simply to appease the ones stating his kicking woeful and have a bit of a laugh.
Im guilty of it too, but I think we need to lighten up a tad.
His ball drop is too high and with two hands.....you cannot kick the ball well or straight on a consistent basis with that technique.
He is the first player AFL player I have ever seen with a proper scattergun kick.
He is also the first player I have ever seen to miss everything left followed by missing everything right both from only 30m out.
Sh1t like that just doesn't happen!
If we are 5 points down in the dying seconds of a GF, the opposition will prefer it if he marks over any other player on the ground! That is a sad, sad fact, but it must be a fact!
When asked to comment about his kicking Dermott Brereton said, "Gee, he is a big boy!" ;) That is damning as BumberT laughing when asked about Carlilse rucking all over Warnock! Sometimes the important things are not said!
If we are 5 points down in the dying seconds of a GF, the opposition will prefer it if he marks over any other player on the ground!
Haha what world are you living in... Oh look over there... Its a unicorn...
We cant make a GF with Mick or Levi at the club according to most of you so dont worry about it... ;D
If we are 5 points down in the dying seconds of a GF, the opposition will prefer it if he marks over any other player on the ground!
Haha what world are you living in... Oh look over there... Its a unicorn...
We cant make a GF with Mick or Levi at the club according to most of you so dont worry about it... ;D
Thank-you, I accept your support unconditionally!
Guys I was being facetious.
Ive seen Levi get him through at post height from 50 (at Preston).
His ball drop is too high which generally leads to an inconsistent kick and a range of miss that can span the width of the entire goals.
The handball idea was simply to appease the ones stating his kicking woeful and have a bit of a laugh.
Im guilty of it too, but I think we need to lighten up a tad.
all good Thryleon I got that sense anyway.
At least for the first time in years, we wont have to put up with Therapist and his inflammatory antics and annual birthday performances against us!!!
Haha they will find someone else Dom, it always happens. If we drop this game to the saints I don't want to hear anything more about Mick being the man.
Reminds me of an episode of Arrested Development:
Tobias: You're forgetting, Lindsay, that as a psychiatrist, I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first "analrapist".
Lindsay: Yeah, and you were almost arrested for those business cards.
Tobias: Yes, it didn't look good on paper, but ...
...
Buster: [Tobias hands Buster his business card] Ahhhh!
Tobias Fünke: Oh, it's pronounced "Analrapist".
Buster: It wasn't the pronunciation that bothered me.
Click HERE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz8aYiH_nRg)for a partial clip.
Haha they will find someone else Dom, it always happens. If we drop this game to the saints I don't want to hear anything more about Mick being the man.
Because we've had a great record against them previously ;)... So this is your make or break game?
Haha they will find someone else Dom, it always happens. If we drop this game to the saints I don't want to hear anything more about Mick being the man.
Because we've had a great record against them previously ;)... So this is your make or break game?
Lose this and it's bottom 4...
Haha they will find someone else Dom, it always happens. If we drop this game to the saints I don't want to hear anything more about Mick being the man.
Because we've had a great record against them previously ;)... So this is your make or break game?
No make or break, just break. We should
easily account for these blokes, doing so does not inspire any more confidence in the coach from me.
Haha they will find someone else Dom, it always happens. If we drop this game to the saints I don't want to hear anything more about Mick being the man.
No, you watch... all of a sudden St Kilda will have a better list..
Haha they will find someone else Dom, it always happens. If we drop this game to the saints I don't want to hear anything more about Mick being the man.
No, you watch... all of a sudden St Kilda will have a better list..
Nothing is going to top the Melbourne are a good side or whatever the comment was after that loss.
Bet the Saints are backing themselves.
You watch a Rising Star nomination coming from them next week.
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Beat them by 36 pts last time we played. It's Monday nights that we can't win. I think the boys usually book in their Ciccone appointments on Monday so it must throw them out of sync.
I'm sure Mick will get them up for it though :P
We need to start two things immediately.
Losing games, and crying to the league that if we don't get their assistance in the draft we are forked! To back this up we need a plethora of voices in the media saying it won't be fair if we are given help like the advantages Dawks, Pies, Swans, Dockers and other have received in the past!
After the Melbounre Loss, there are no certain wins for us.
What has it all come to???
After the Melbounre Loss, there are no certain wins for us.
What has it all come to???
Since dropping a game to them in 1995, it's nearly always been a toss up, same with the swans actually...
Im never confident about playing Stkilda.... Ever...
Even back in the early 90's, they broke our massive winning streak at Optus Oval when they were on the bottom..
In 95, they were one of our only 2 losses for the year..
Im confident Mick can outcoach Richardson, so now its up to the players to peform their a55es off.. If they do, we should beat them by 6 goals or more.
Here's hoping.. ^-^
Yes, the 'Aints have become one of our bogie sides. This is a trend we must reverse. We have to start beating these bogie sides, especially the 'Aints. We did it to the Dogs. Now we need to be able to beat Sydney, Hawthorn, Geelong, Essendon and Collingwood.
Mind you, if we manage that, then we WILL truly be a decent side again.
Sadly, a lot of those sides will be on the decline by the time we get the better of them. I can't see anyone but Geelong beating Hawthorn TBH.
No sign of "Jelly Spine" Waite at selection for the Aints match....what a waste this guy is...fair dinkum :( :(
How bogus is our club, Bell out with a finger?
It really does go to show how poor recruitment is killing us down forward... Waite has been missing big chunks of seasons for the last 4 years, yet we still are so reliant on him..
Cant wait to snare one of those beasts from GWS... I will be very p1ssed if we dont get a decent key forward in the off season..
CARLTON
B Sam Rowe, Michael Jamison, Simon White
HB Dylan Buckley, Andrew Walker, Zach Tuohy
C Andrejs Everitt, Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty
HF Mitch Robinson, Troy Menzel, Marc Murphy
F Levi Casboult, Lachie Henderson, Chris Yarran
FOL Robert Warnock, Bryce Gibbs, Dale Thomas
I/C David Ellard, Matthew Watson, Brock McLean, Heath Scotland, Jaryd Cachia, Jeff Garlett, Dennis Armfield (Three to be omitted)
IN David Ellard, Chris Yarran, Matthew Watson, Jaryd Cachia, Dennis Armfield
OUT Kane Lucas (Omitted), Tom Bell (finger)
ST KILDA
B Sean Dempster, James Gwilt, Jimmy Webster
HB Blake Acres, Luke Delaney, Jack Newnes
C Leigh Montagna, Lenny Hayes, Farren Ray
HF Jack Steven, Nick Riewoldt, Jack Billings
F Maverick Weller, Rhys Stanley, Adam Schneider
FOL Billy Longer, Luke Dunstan, Tom Curren
I/C Arryn Siposs, Josh Bruce, Josh Saunders, Cameron Shenton, Terry Milera, Brodie Murdoch, Clinton Jones (Three to be omitted)
IN Arryn Siposs, Josh Bruce, Cameron Shenton, Terry Milera, Brodie Murdoch, Luke Dunstan
OUT Tom Simpkin (Omitted), Jarryn Geary (Elbow), Shane Savage (Omitted)
We really miss Waite.
Good to see Army named in the extended squad. I like to be optimistic but it seems that Monday night games and Rd 23 matches against the Aints seems to be a penciled in loss. I hope the boys prove me wrong...
No sign of "Jelly Spine" Waite at selection for the Aints match....what a waste this guy is...fair dinkum :( :(
Would have to agree, recon we should trade him out at seasons end but I think the problem with him is he holds very little value now.
What trade Waite? We have no KP players and you want to get rid of one.
We have said it all along, he is the icing, if we can build a team with out him, great. He just adds extra polish a bit like Judd.
What trade Waite? We have no KP players and you want to get rid of one.
We have said it all along, he is the icing, if we can build a team with out him, great. He just adds extra polish a bit like Judd.
But what's the point if he misses on average at least a third of each season for the past 5 years. Having said that, apparently he's keen to go on next year, but worth next to nothing in the trade market due to his failing body.
Happy to see Armfield at least named. Yes, he can butcher the ball by foot (what's new in this team), but you'll get 100% everytime he sets foot on the field, can play a really good run-with role & provides gut-busting run & carry.
I thought Cachia should've come in as a direct replacement for Curnow from the get-go.
Hope MM gives Lucas another go but it would seem that she's all over for mini-Pav at the Blues.
Army as sub hopefully
I've been Lucas' biggest fan but he is just too much of a pussy unfortunately.
I've been Lucas' biggest fan but he is just too much of a pussy unfortunately.
Zero presence.
That was hard to watch against the Pies.
Hope MM gives Lucas another go but it would seem that she's all over for mini-Pav at the Blues.
Army as sub hopefully
After watching last weeks Northern Blues game, Armfield is carrying an injury.
Lost that dash that he shows, and was clearly limping around last weekend. Hopefully just a corky but it really shone out to me that he wasnt right and actually went missing for large parts of the game. This is usually something he doesnt do at AFL level so its clear he isnt/wasnt right. Armfield if nothing else is in the contest usually. I didnt see a lot of him last week.
Terry Milera in for the Saints, i swear this guy only plays well against us.
Terry Milera in for the Saints, i swear this guy only plays well against us.
We're so lucky Milne isn't in. This guy will take his place no doubt.
Terry Milera in for the Saints, i swear this guy only plays well against us.
Remember him, Therapist and Saad having birthdays against us two years ago.
Was one of the last games Aaron 'Dud' Joseph played.
Terry Milera in for the Saints, i swear this guy only plays well against us.
We're so lucky Milne isn't in. This guy will take his place no doubt.
And its time we arrested (no pun intended) carp like this. Its all above the shoulders. Time for our blokes to draw an effin line in the sand and have a "this guy will not get a kick today" attitute with spuds who tear us a new one and not do anything else all year. I'm sick to death of it TBH. We seem to put alot of though into the opo big guns and sweet FA into the lesser likes.
The problem is... it keeps happening.
If you keep an eye out for the NAB Rising Star nominations each week, more often then not, its players that played against us over the weekend.
I've been Lucas' biggest fan but he is just too much of a pussy unfortunately.
Yep i have to agree. I have no problem with his recruitment, his under 18's and WAFL form was exactly what we needed at the time. I was a fan of his from the get go, but whether its development or the player, he has not come on and looks timid and scared in the AFL environment.
People will blame our recruiters, but sometimes you cannot foresee how a guy will go in the big time until he is there.
I want him to go well, but he was deplorable last Friday and would be sure his papers were marked at that stage.
I actually think Mick has tried to develop him as well, given him games when perhaps he didnt deserve it, playing him as an impact sub, or high half forward with some success, so this gives me hope with the kids and their development under Malthouse.
Hopefully we can get a second or third rounder for him.
Yep I'll give Mick a tick for that as well, it used to piss me off that Ratts wouldn't play him but I guess Ratts already knew. At least Mick gave him plenty of opportunity to turn it around and to me he showed he had turned the corner last season but this year he's just been putrid. At this stage of his career even treading water wouldn't be enough but he's sinking, fast.
Terry Milera in for the Saints, i swear this guy only plays well against us.
We're so lucky Milne isn't in.
Yes, it means there's a chance walker won't slaughter us in defence.
Hopefully we can get a second or third rounder for him.
Don't see us getting a 2nd Round pick for him.
Then again, if we could get Pick 28 for Hampson, it might be possible.
I think it will be the week of the Bolt.he is on the verge of doing something real good
I hope
I think it will be the week of the Bolt.he is on the verge of doing something real good
I hope
He's a confidence player.
Needs one or two big games ina row to start believing in himself.
He's a confidence player.
Needs one or two big games ina row to start believing in himself.
Needs to have his first shot from 50 rather than 15.
He's a confidence player.
Needs one or two big games ina row to start believing in himself.
Needs to have his first shot from 50 rather than 15.
I reckon he needs to do a easy one first.
Like putting in golf. Drop 5 x 3 footers in practice, don't go the 10 footers.
One off the ground from the goal square in the first minute and we could see a marked improvement in Levi's goal kicking.
Watson went off injured for the NBs and was getting flogged before that. Now he's named in the squad :o
Is this gamesmanship, misguided selection or tanking?
Watson has been resigned?
No wonder this club is in the doldrums.
I doubt in all my years of watching VFL/AFL, have i seen a player with less intensity for the contest
Slow as a wet week, no idea how to out body an opponent, soft as butter
Watson has been resigned?
:o :o :o :o :o :o
He as re-signed for two years last year remember? After he performed ok? Now he just sits in the seconds whilst blokes with no future at the club get a run.
If Watson just had an extra yard of pace he would be a very good player.
At least for the first time in years, we wont have to put up with Therapist and his inflammatory antics and annual birthday performances against us!!!
Cue Milera
Sadly, a lot of those sides will be on the decline by the time we get the better of them. I can't see anyone but Geelong beating Hawthorn TBH.
Sydney says Hi :P :P ;)
He as re-signed for two years last year remember? After he performed ok? Now he just sits in the seconds whilst blokes with no future at the club get a run.
Have you watched him play Vfl? There is nothing that screams pick me about the way he plays football aside from his kicking.
If Watson just had an extra yard of pace he would be a very good player.
If Ifs and Buts were chips and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas. Poor, uneducated recruiting was that of Watson, a man child dominating. Especially when Darling was still available, not sure i'll ever get over that.
He as re-signed for two years last year remember? After he performed ok? Now he just sits in the seconds whilst blokes with no future at the club get a run.
Have you watched him play Vfl? There is nothing that screams pick me about the way he plays football aside from his kicking.
I thought he did really well up forward last year and looked to be coming on until he got injured. This year he gets given one crack at it, does alright, then gets dropped to the twos whilst we play Rowe and White.
I wouldn't say he did alright. Ports forward line really did a number on our backline.
Besides he hurt himself in that game anyway.
Rowe is at worst stopping a forward. Ditto White. It's why the other two (Watson and Mccinnes)are not playing.
Giles did marginally better than Watson last weekend. Featherstone was killing Watson until he went off injured again. He hurt his hand and came off second quarter for anyone wondering and then Coburg had to find another avenue to goal. Unfortunately they did.
I would say Watson generally performs better in blue.
I would say Watson generally performs better in blue.
I would agree with this, but thus far his best Afl game has not been that good.
Watson will be played forward in this game IMO. Rowe and white are doing their jobs done back. Time to use his kicking to his advantage up front. Really want this kid to do well. Seems like there is something there, wish it would show ;)
Watson will be played forward in this game IMO. Rowe and white are doing their jobs done back. Time to use his kicking to his advantage up front. Really want this kid to do well. Seems like there is something there, wish it would show ;)
I really like this idea, he was used a couple of times late last year as a CHF and did well enough for another go. As a defender his pack of pace is exposed but as a forward he can use his smarts and Matt has a good set of hands and a booming kick that can stretch the saints undersized defence.
If Watson just had an extra yard of pace he would be a very good player.
If I just had a little more height I could have been a very good player ;)
If Watson just had an extra yard of pace he would be a very good player.
If I just had a little more height I could have been a very good player ;)
If your Aunty had balls...
Cachia played today so would be out of calculation. Watson and Armfield are the other 2 emergencies. Not sure if there will be a last minute change........
Perfect conditions under the roof, so they must know exactly who they will put on the park.
If our guys pull their collective fingers out we have a chance - if they decide not to again then who knows?? ::)
If we play like we did against the Eagles and Dogs, and keep our focus for 4 qtrs, we re a serious chance to belt them.
If 'Bad Carlton' shows up, we ll get humiliated by the Saints and continue to be the butt of the AFL worlds jokes.
If we play like we did against the Eagles and Dogs, and keep our focus for 4 qtrs, we re a serious chance to belt them.
If 'Bad Carlton' shows up, we ll get humiliated by the Saints and continue to be the butt of the AFL worlds jokes.
Classic no win situation. At best we come away not being considered in the worst handful of sides.
Were we that good against the Eagles though? I never saw the whole game but they did kick 1.8 in the last quarter.
Were we that good against the Eagles though? I never saw the whole game but they did kick 1.8 in the last quarter.
Great in parts, woeful in parts. Same old. Game.could have gone either way (they had two posters in the last) we kept their tall forwards quiet which was a big plus.
Were we that good against the Eagles though? I never saw the whole game but they did kick 1.8 in the last quarter.
I thought we dominated the first half but they got their goals against the tide and in red time. When Yarran (He was controlling everything off the half back line) went off the game turned and the Eagles controlled the 2nd half until we for once hurt them in red time in the last quarter. They can say we stole the game in the last quarter but they did the same thing in the 1st and 2nd quarters.
I'm very philosophical about this team ATM, and don't really know what we'll get.
To me; they're consistently inconsistent, with no real flashes of brilliance to light up our hearts in the hope that there's better things to come....no Jeremy Howe type screamers being taken....no inspirational goals being kicked when they're desperately needed.
We hope against hope that someone will pop up unexpectedly to inspire his team mates and of course us.
I pray that perhaps in this game that we can kick some of the relatively simple shots at goal that we've been missing,only then to suffer the ignominy of turning the ball over for the opposition to immediately kick a goal....heartbreaking stuff for the team and us.
C'mon Blues!!
I'm very philosophical about this team ATM, and don't really know what we'll get.
To me; they're consistently inconsistent, with no real flashes of brilliance to light up our hearts in the hope that there's better things to come....no Jeremy Howe type screamers being taken....no inspirational goals being kicked when they're desperately needed.
We hope against hope that someone will pop up unexpectedly to inspire his team mates and of course us.
I pray that perhaps in this game that we can kick some of the relatively simple shots at goal that we've been missing,only then to suffer the ignominy of turning the ball over for the opposition to immediately kick a goal....heartbreaking stuff for the team and us.
C'mon Blues!!
Carlton 2014 = Rollercoaster
We'll win this one very comfortable, they're young side and have been weakened with some important injuries.
I'd be vey concerned if we can't get over this game easily.
Ciao
We'll win this one very comfortable, they're young side and have been weakened with some important injuries.
I'd be vey concerned if we can't get over this game easily.
Ciao
Really? It is Monday night against the Saints. This scenario doesn't remind me of too many good memories...
Does anyone find it a little ridiculous that tonight's game isn't on 'Free to Air' tonight? (Obviously I don't have Foxtel, nor live in Melbourne to catch the game.)
But they're both Melbourne based teams, nothing huge is designated to that time slot, (Home and Away??) and only two games were aired on Free to Air this week. And they talk about sport being free and available to all. ::)
It's because of the deal between Ch.7 and Foxtel, 7 had to drop one of the four games as exclusive to Foxtel.
In any case I would suggest Monday night football is dead and buried as far as broadcasters and the AFL go, it is both a crowd and a ratings dud!
It's because of the deal between Ch.7 and Foxtel, 7 had to drop one of the four games as exclusive to Foxtel.
In any case I would suggest Monday night football is dead and buried as far as broadcasters and the AFL go, it is both a crowd and a ratings dud!
I see... But yes I agree, Monday nights are pretty hopeless for footy. It's a wonder why they haven't scrapped the annual fixture, it's not like it was ever a success.
Working tonight at the ground so will have to keep my emotions in check. If we are losing though, I wont be able to leave. Might just have to turn my back and not watch
Working tonight at the ground so will have to keep my emotions in check. If we are losing though, I wont be able to leave. Might just have to turn my back and not watch
I pretty much can't watch Carlton games live on tv at the moment... i have to wait until i know the result!
And i have a bad feeling about tonight.
Working tonight at the ground so will have to keep my emotions in check. If we are losing though, I wont be able to leave. Might just have to turn my back and not watch
I pretty much can't watch Carlton games live on tv at the moment... i have to wait until i know the result!
And i have a bad feeling about tonight.
We should belt them. St Nick could run amok I guess and a small forward will most likely give us headaches but surely we are a significant better outfit that these guys?
So over not being pumped for games, was really pumped vs Port, had a little bit back against the Pies (gone in around 15 mins) and now I'm not pumped again. Must be great to follow Hawthorn/Collingwood/Geelong et al....
So over not being pumped for games, was really pumped vs Port, had a little bit back against the Pies (gone in around 15 mins) and now I'm not pumped again. Must be great to follow Hawthorn/Collingwood/Geelong et al....
Losing all the time does that
So over not being pumped for games, was really pumped vs Port, had a little bit back against the Pies (gone in around 15 mins) and now I'm not pumped again. Must be great to follow Hawthorn/Collingwood/Geelong et al....
Losing all the time does that
Which gate you working on Age.. I might need to sneak in a bottle of Jack Daniels to get me through tonight... ;D
So over not being pumped for games, was really pumped vs Port, had a little bit back against the Pies (gone in around 15 mins) and now I'm not pumped again. Must be great to follow Hawthorn/Collingwood/Geelong et al....
The only games I've really looked forward to this year have been Geelong/Hawks and Sydney / Hawks.
Both games didn't let me down either.
So over not being pumped for games, was really pumped vs Port, had a little bit back against the Pies (gone in around 15 mins) and now I'm not pumped again. Must be great to follow Hawthorn/Collingwood/Geelong et al....
Losing all the time does that
Which gate you working on Age.. I might need to sneak in a bottle of Jack Daniels to get me through tonight... ;D
Not on the gate tonight sorry. Working on an AIlse but not sure which one yet. Will find out when I get there.
How much the hourly rate Agey?? I'm on 12 weeks paternity leave soon wouldn't mind topping up the account on weekends.
Anyone know if this game is in free to air?
Anyone know if this game is in free to air?
Sadly not mate. Fox footy or watch it like me on the AFL App. Pai about $15 for a months viewing and it's been well spent. Will renew. Especially since it's meter free on Telstra.
Anyone know if this game is in free to air?
BUGGER! Might need to pop down to the pub to watch it.
Sadly not mate. Fox footy or watch it like me on the AFL App. Pai about $15 for a months viewing and it's been well spent. Will renew. Especially since it's meter free on Telstra.
Scotland replaced by Armfield in selected side.
Jeffy the interchange.
Scotland replaced by Armfield in selected side.
Jeffy the interchange.
Fair call.
Jeffy has been poor, but he could really kill it after half time.