19:45, Thursday March 27 @ MCG (away game)
Back to the MCG where we can actually win and against our bunnies for the past 5 years. Good way to bounce back after having to lick our wounds from a bit of a hiding.
Plenty of scope for changes. Go at it...
Mark it down as a win, we can always count on Richmond to give us an easy 4 points in times of need.
Hmmm. A loss by some margin would spell big trouble for either team. I reckon Richmond will want it more. On what I saw last night, Tiges by 42 points.
Hmmm. A loss by some margin would spell big trouble for either team. I reckon Richmond will want it more. On what I saw last night, Tiges by 42 points.
Agree.
We are crape. Tigers by a bit.
Whats with this Bring back the Woof campaign. How about, bring back SOS, Sticks, Braddles, Deisel. etc etc.
On what I saw on saturday night, its likely to end up a win for us. The tigers will let our better players win the game for us, because they dont have a defensive side to them. We at least look accountable, even if Stupid. Mclean without an opponent will murder the Tigers (like he did last time) whilst Cotchin will have Curnow all night. Id run Yarran or Armfield (if fit on Deledio) and put in Graham who should wrack them up easily enough. I would also look at Cachia in as frankly he is better at stoppages than both Bell and Robinson who might be big units, but have no idea how to use the football.
We were pretty ordinary last night, but Port did a good job of nullifying us, whilst we helped them with some poor decision making and poor execution.
Whats with this Bring back the Woof campaign.
Crowd got off that pretty quickly
The Woof is dead in the modern era.
Seems wrong saying "woof" for a 15 metre pass to chest.
Whats with this Bring back the Woof campaign.
An weak attempt to construct a replica of a legendary football phenomenon, not unlike our team pretending to be a real AFL list!
MM is looking like Geppetto, and our team is full of Pinocchios who want to be real footballers!
Tigers will want revenge from last season and to kill the Carlton monkey that lives on their back...Hardwick named and shamed players so he means business after the GC loss....going to be tough for us and then having to front up to Essendon our arch enemy.
Big challenge for a coach who is being paid the big dollars.... a real test for MM..
If we are 0-3 then I reckon Mick might have to stop selling hope and start selling reality and tell the faithfull to strap themselves in because its going to be a long journey back up the ladder..
The Woof is dead in the modern era.
Seems wrong saying "woof" for a 15 metre pass to chest.
In the case of Watson it should more appropriately be "Boof!".
I think we should leave Hendo down back with Jamo, lose McInnes and use someone like White or Giles & possibly Rowe. Yarran and Simmo off HB.
Put the Boof (Watto) at CHF cause he can kick from outside 50, Walker, Waite at FF and Everitt up forward as well as MENZEL.
We still need to have a settled back six.
I think we should leave Hendo down back with Jamo, lose McInnes and use someone like White or Giles & possibly Rowe. Yarran and Simmo off HB.
Put the Boof (Watto) at CHF cause he can kick from outside 50, Walker, Waite at FF and Everitt up forward as well as MENZEL.
We still need to have a settled back six.
The rumors are Hendo is potentially out for multiple weeks with a calf.
I think we should bring in Bootsma to play on Jack Riewoldt. Tried it before to great effect!! ;)
Mark it down as a win, we can always count on Richmond to give us an easy 4 points in times of need.
Yep.
Us by plenty.
Best for the NBs were Graham, Buckley, Cachia while Cripps, Holman and Lucas were the emergencies.
That would be great if Ellard, Curnow, Murphy or Gibbs played cr@p games and needed replacing. And none of those have the grunt and attack of Robbo or Bell.
Where are the key position players busting for a place?? The cupboard it bare!!!
Probably need another tall defender for the Tigers...no doubt they will copy the Port model and have the three talls down forward...Reiwoldt, Vickery and Griffiths....the latter two are ruckman height so I reckon Rowe will get a game.
Walker offered 1 week.
I'd take it and have him back for Essendon...
My changes...
IN: Buckley, Graham, Carrazzo, Armfield, Wood, Casboult
OUT: Walker (susp), Robinson, Bell, McInness, Kreuzer, Warnock
Lets try something a little different and have our ruckmen (Wood/Casboult) helping out our defense by filling holes. These boys can actually mark the pill and may provide some benefit from their height.
The rest is almost like for like with the exception of McInness. We have Watson, Jamison, Waite, Henderson and Everitt, along with 2 ruckmen to choose from in the big man stakes, so i reckon we will go ok without him.
The Ins will show some heart, and hopefully an improvement in heart/skill over their outgoing teammates.
Lets try something a little different and have our ruckmen (Wood/Casboult) helping out our defense by filling holes. These boys can actually mark the pill and may provide some benefit from their height.
So is Wood off the rookie list, have we nominated him under a LTI?
Lets try something a little different and have our ruckmen (Wood/Casboult) helping out our defense by filling holes. These boys can actually mark the pill and may provide some benefit from their height.
So is Wood off the rookie list, have we nominated him under a LTI?
We still have Duigans spot to use if/when we see fit for Wood
We still have Duigans spot to use if/when we see fit for Wood
Hasn't that already been given to Cachia, we have two nominated rookies in Scotland and Cachia?
Because we have two nominated rookies already, do we get to upgrade another?
By my last reading of this issue, it was not clear if the AFL was going to approve another upgrade until we have a further LTI.
We still have Duigans spot to use if/when we see fit for Wood
Hasn't that already been given to Cachia, we have two nominated rookies in Scotland and Cachia?
Because we have two nominated rookies already, do we get to upgrade another?
By my last reading of this issue, it was not clear if the AFL was going to approve another upgrade until we have a further LTI.
There was an article on the AFL site which showed potential rookie upgrades from each team. That stated we had already upgraded 2, and had room for 1 more as the replacement for Duigan retiring.
I see no reason to doubt what was written on the AFL site.
We still have Duigans spot to use if/when we see fit for Wood
Hasn't that already been given to Cachia, we have two nominated rookies in Scotland and Cachia?
Because we have two nominated rookies already, do we get to upgrade another?
By my last reading of this issue, it was not clear if the AFL was going to approve another upgrade until we have a further LTI.
There was an article on the AFL site which showed potential rookie upgrades from each team. That stated we had already upgraded 2, and had room for 1 more as the replacement for Duigan retiring.
I see no reason to doubt what was written on the AFL site.
Yes I know that article, but there has been no official word from the club since Dec 13th.
I'd had heard this scenario. I believe for Duigan to play elsewhere and for us to be eligible for a rookie upgrade two things must happen. He has to stay on our LTI list for eight weeks once the season starts, then he must be paid out in full by the club as retired. Pre-season does not count, upgrades do not apply during pre-season and clubs can list and play whoever they like. At that time he will then be eligible to play elsewhere, in any other non-AFL competition, and we can upgrade a rookie as a replacement. Upgrading earlier is up to the AFLs discretion, we do not seem to be favored in this regard!
I'd prefer to have Bell stay in team. Physicality & Intimidation must be employed at some point...otherwise Cotchin and his cohorts will run riot. Bell has lead with his shoulder at the Richmond midfield in the past to good effect.
Watson pinch hitting across CHF would also be worth a go. Drag Chaplin outside 50, and send a few booming left footers through the goals & into the dejected cretins in the Richmond cheersquad!
Shuffle the pack Mick!
B : TBA, Jamison, TBA
HB : Yarran, Henderson, Tuohy
C : Murphy, TBA, Simpson
HF : Menzel, TBA, Walker
F : TBA, TBA, Everitt
R : Kreuzer, TBA, TBA
I/C : Curnow, TBA, TBA, TBA
Here is an outline of what we have at our disposal that is capable of matching it with the others. Quite clearly it shows why we are going to struggle for another couple of years too - way too many gaping holes.
Yes, we have a couple of up & coming players but they are not there yet plus we have a lot of guys who are solid NB players but only back-up fodder in the seniors.
We still have Duigans spot to use if/when we see fit for Wood
Hasn't that already been given to Cachia, we have two nominated rookies in Scotland and Cachia?
Because we have two nominated rookies already, do we get to upgrade another?
By my last reading of this issue, it was not clear if the AFL was going to approve another upgrade until we have a further LTI.
There was an article on the AFL site which showed potential rookie upgrades from each team. That stated we had already upgraded 2, and had room for 1 more as the replacement for Duigan retiring.
I see no reason to doubt what was written on the AFL site.
Yes I know that article, but there has been no official word from the club since Dec 13th.
I'd had heard this scenario. I believe for Duigan to play elsewhere and for us to be eligible for a rookie upgrade two things must happen. He has to stay on our LTI list for eight weeks once the season starts, then he must be paid out in full by the club as retired. Pre-season does not count, upgrades do not apply during pre-season and clubs can list and play whoever they like. At that time he will then be eligible to play elsewhere, in any other non-AFL competition, and we can upgrade a rookie as a replacement. Upgrading earlier is up to the AFLs discretion, we do not seem to be favored in this regard!
Even if what you say is true, him being on the LTI list initially is grounds enough for us to elevate a rookie. Regardless on what he gets paid, or where he is allowed to get paid.
Fact is any player put on the LTI list means he can be replaced by a rookie.
Any player put on the LTI list is essentially inactive for a minimum of 8 weeks, but can be longer.
Even if what you say is true, him being on the LTI list initially is grounds enough for us to elevate a rookie. Regardless on what he gets paid, or where he is allowed to get paid.
Fact is any player put on the LTI list means he can be replaced by a rookie.
Any player put on the LTI list is essentially inactive for a minimum of 8 weeks, but can be longer.
I can only describe what I was told back in January when I investigated why there was no replacement yet. I believe the scenario I describe was settled on between a number of parties probably including Carlton, the AFLPA, Duigan and the AFL.
But I have since heard rumors Duigan may be playing in WA somewhere.
B : TBA, Jamison, TBA
HB : Yarran, Henderson, Tuohy
C : Murphy, TBA, Simpson
HF : Menzel, TBA, Walker
F : TBA, TBA, Everitt
R : Kreuzer, TBA, TBA
I/C : Curnow, TBA, TBA, TBA
Here is an outline of what we have at our disposal that is capable of matching it with the others. Quite clearly it shows why we are going to struggle for another couple of years too - way too many gaping holes.
Yes, we have a couple of up & coming players but they are not there yet plus we have a lot of guys who are solid NB players but only back-up fodder in the seniors.
You left out Jarrad Waite who although is no fev, is a decent key forward in his own right and is at worst a forward target.
B : TBA, Jamison, TBA
HB : Yarran, Henderson, Tuohy
C : Murphy, TBA, Simpson
HF : Menzel, TBA, Walker
F : TBA, TBA, Everitt
R : Kreuzer, TBA, TBA
I/C : Curnow, TBA, TBA, TBA
Here is an outline of what we have at our disposal that is capable of matching it with the others. Quite clearly it shows why we are going to struggle for another couple of years too - way too many gaping holes.
Yes, we have a couple of up & coming players but they are not there yet plus we have a lot of guys who are solid NB players but only back-up fodder in the seniors.
Thomas, Garlett and Gibbs are a bit stiff there.
B : TBA, Jamison, TBA
HB : Yarran, Henderson, Tuohy
C : Murphy, TBA, Simpson
HF : Menzel, TBA, Walker
F : TBA, TBA, Everitt
R : Kreuzer, TBA, TBA
I/C : Curnow, TBA, TBA, TBA
Here is an outline of what we have at our disposal that is capable of matching it with the others. Quite clearly it shows why we are going to struggle for another couple of years too - way too many gaping holes.
Yes, we have a couple of up & coming players but they are not there yet plus we have a lot of guys who are solid NB players but only back-up fodder in the seniors.
Thomas, Garlett and Gibbs are a bit stiff there.
I thought C Wood would be a certainty. ;)
Have no idea what to expect at the selection table but one thing is for sure Menzel has to play whole games for mine. It is laughable that he is made sub when he is already a better footballer than half the players in the 22 let alone the whole list. Good skills, game sense, tackles hard and cracks in. He is one of the few shining lights we have.
If Mick really had any he would make a statement and make some of the more established players sub to send a message, but it just shows how desperate we are to get wins.
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
;)
Daisy did well he just couldn't convert. (The pressure of kicking goals wearing blue)
If he had kicked those majors we would be having a different conversation.
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
I would be giving it to Garlett as well Carrots. Although he still has to do more I thought Daisy went alright given how much footy he has missed, his kicking I agree was shizen.
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
I would be giving it to Garlett as well Carrots. Although he still has to do more I thought Daisy went alright given how much footy he has missed, his kicking I agree was shizen.
Daisy did more than Franklin in his debut.
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
I would be giving it to Garlett as well Carrots. Although he still has to do more I thought Daisy went alright given how much footy he has missed, his kicking I agree was shizen.
Daisy did more than Franklin in his debut.
And for less money! ;D
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
I would be giving it to Garlett as well Carrots. Although he still has to do more I thought Daisy went alright given how much footy he has missed, his kicking I agree was shizen.
Daisy did more than Franklin in his debut.
Daisy another victim of jelly legs.
What these blokes have taught me is Richmond will respond, our blokes won't. Richmond by plenty.
What these blokes have taught me is Richmond will respond, our blokes won't. Richmond by plenty.
Since when have Richmond responded to a bad loss? They had a chance last year to respond from the round 21 loss to us a few weeks later and couldn't do that.
Blues by 49 goals.
Tigers are screwED!!!!!!!!!!
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
I would be giving it to Garlett as well Carrots. Although he still has to do more I thought Daisy went alright given how much footy he has missed, his kicking I agree was shizen.
Daisy did more than Franklin in his debut.
Daisy another victim of jelly legs.
Not true he has always been an awful set shot at goal. He is the type of player that will be running into goal directly in front and angle his body sideways to snap the goal. He's just not a confident drop punt shot at goal. He makes up for it with other strengths that I'm sure we'll see as he gets more gametime ie he can show Murph how to make a bee-line at the ball put his head over it and come away with it. He does that very well
Richmond have beaten Hawthorn twice and Sydney in the past two years. When was the last time we did that? Yeah we can respond, for about 25 minutes, then we'll just give it up again. Pathetic heartless lot.
Richmond have also lost 3 out of their 4 encounters with the Gold Coast and what is it now? 11 of the last 12 against us?
I reckon putting this game on a Thursday night in rd 2 after both sides lost round 1 might cost the AFL about 20,000 fans.
Richmond have also lost 3 out of their 4 encounters with the Gold Coast and what is it now? 11 of the last 12 against us?
Yep the losses against us is all we have going for us but I feel that may be detrimental to our chances as our last three outings against the Tiges have shown, it takes us a half of football to show up. Typical of our mentality.
I reckon the GC will beat most sides at home this year personally.
Don't give a flying fig re history.
Much rather be in the 'making history' corner than reflecting on it.
We'd better ring in the changes if we hope to beat this mob (Tiggers).
Ins: Graham, Buckley and Cripps
Outs: Walker (susp), McInnes and Robinson
Would play Everitt back for the whole game in place of McInnes. Buckley to replace Walker off half back and Cripps for Robbo. Graham to add to our midfield rotations. Menzel has to play a full game.
I suspect White or Casboult will come in as a forward and then Hendo (if fit) and Everitt will roll back to re-organise the back line. We must cover both Riewoldt and Vickery who has been a problem for us in the past. Remember Vickery is the Fugu kick specialist, I am sure McLean will!
When he was fit Thomas has a history of tearing Nthmond a new one, then again he did that to many clubs!
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
So I didn't see very much of the game at all but a mate who went on Sunday made the following comments:
1. Menzel appeared to be labouring around and look injured from the minute he came on. Many people around him also commented on this.
2. Our ruckmen were both jumping very early and were avoiding contact, were both deplorable.
Is it possible both rucks will be dropped? Is it possible Menzel won't play?
Just on Waite, I've said this many times, why not play him back?
Don't give a flying fig re history.
Much rather be in the 'making history' corner than reflecting on it.
We'd better ring in the changes if we hope to beat this mob (Tiggers).
Has all the hallmarks of an epic encounter. Tiges want payback for the finals loss and we want respect from the broader football community.
Blues by 2 billion goals.
Don't give a flying fig re history.
Much rather be in the 'making history' corner than reflecting on it.
We'd better ring in the changes if we hope to beat this mob (Tiggers).
Has all the hallmarks of an epic encounter. Tiges want payback for the finals loss and we want respect from the broader football community.
and I need to continue persecuting my ninethmond loving brotherinlaw, whilst avoiding giving him the opportunity to return fire for a prolonged and successful shaming campaign against him and his team. We better *&^** win.
One forced change so far with Walker out... probably makes way for Scotland.
I think it will be very interesting to see how we react at the selection table. Scotland or Buckley will probably come in for Walker, but who will make way to make changes in the forward line or the midfield? I wish I had an answer.
In . Scotland , Cripps , White
Out . Walker , Robinson , McInnis
Be a bit of a blow if Hammer is the best ruckman out there , but it won't surprise me .
Warnock is looking more like Peter Street every time he plays .
I think it will be very interesting to see how we react at the selection table. Scotland or Buckley will probably come in for Walker, but who will make way to make changes in the forward line or the midfield? I wish I had an answer.
MM has hinted that blokes just need game time so that leads me to think that there will be minimal changes. Nick Graham staked a claim with such a good effort for the NBs, along with Scotland. Walker is an obvious out, but who else... McInnes?
Wish the NBs were playing this weekend.
To tell you the truth in the middle we need a point of difference, particularly with Thomas obviously needing more time to get back to full fitness and touch.
I'd be rolling Chris Yarran through there and getting some spark - or at least let's see if he can provide that spark. Does he have the hunger to impact a game through the midfield/wing region on a more regular basis. Can he do it?
We have class in Murphy. Gibbs is learning the role still. Handy type at this stage. Not breakaway quick or anything though. Foot soldiers and hard types lacking some polish in Curnow, McLean, Robinson, Bell, Ellard. Carrazzo can be added to that group when back also although one may make way for him. Ellard very handy up forward to give us some more toughness and consistency roving the packs because Jeff Garlett certainly does not give us that. He's the unpredictable flash.
Wouldn't mind seeing the bullocking Tuohy get some time in the midfield and wing also added to Yarran.
Maybe Buckley can come in and play as a small down back. Lots to learn still but lots to like also.
Cripps, Graham and Holman are others to consider. Cripps is a different bullocking type due to his size but also his clean hands which the blokes mentioned above do not have as good as the young Crippa.
Re forwards - I reckon once we find out (hopefully it actually works but I am not so sure) that Waite, Henderson and Kreuzer isn't working with Jamison, Watson and McInnes playing tall down back we'll need to reshuffle the deck chairs.
I'd be rolling Chris Yarran through there and getting some spark - or at least let's see if he can provide that spark. Does he have the hunger to impact a game through the midfield/wing region on a more regular basis. Can he do it?
He just isn't strong enough in traffic or over the ball, he gets put out of the contest before it starts.
Wouldn't mind seeing the bullocking Tuohy get some time in the midfield and wing also added to Yarran.
This guy did very well when given that opportunity, but he has a lot to learn. I think Tuohy along with Cripps, Bell and Armfield will be a regulars in the future. Curnow is looking better by the game, he is almost too good now to be wasted as a tagger as he can link up and work outside. Armfield has that explosive pace that Judd has and could be anything. Tuohy is granite on legs and he loves the crash and bash. Cripps is the brains that can work in tandem with Murphy.
Cripps, Graham and Holman are others to consider. Cripps is a different bullocking type due to his size but also his clean hands which the blokes mentioned above do not have as good as the young Crippa.
Like Tuohy he has a lot to learn, but Cripps might have better vision that most of our midfield. The sooner he gets in their the better he will become. Not unlike Rich at the Lions he will be highly variable to start off and get progressive better. We should be wasting time giving him a run.
Need to be careful with Cripps and not expect too much, watched him pick up Dangerfield I think it was in the NAB cup game in the last quarter and he doesnt have the nous yet to be lining up on Cotchin,Martin or Deledio in the middle.
I would start him as the sub if he played and let him have a look and get the pace of the game...he will be a great player but will get carved up if we start him on good players..
re: Yarran in the middle.....as the receiver why not?....if the other mids can get him the footy he might be give you 10 minutes of brilliance that change the game....you wouldnt do it all the time but everynow and then its worth a shot IMO..
Would also educate and round his game off a bit and make him a better player....
Need to be careful with Cripps and not expect too much, watched him pick up Dangerfield I think it was in the NAB cup game in the last quarter and he doesnt have the nous yet to be lining up on Cotchin,Martin or Deledio in the middle.
I would start him as the sub if he played and let him have a look and get the pace of the game...he will be a great player but will get carved up if we start him on good players..
re: Yarran in the middle.....as the receiver why not?....if the other mids can get him the footy he might be give you 10 minutes of brilliniance that change the game....you wouldnt do it all the time but everynow and then its worth a shot IMO..
Would also educate and round his game off a bit and make him a better player....
I agree, this is the coaches job isn't it, to manage these situations and have players develop?
IN: Graham, Scotland, Wood
OUT: Walker, McInnes, Kreuzer
Keys:
Marc Murphy - Dan Jackson is doubtful and will be underdone if he does play. Murphy won't have to deal with their number 1 tagger and needs to have a good game.
Chris Yarran - Needs to play off half back in Walker's spot and provide some run from there
Jamison on Riewoldt, Henderson on Vickery and Watson on Griffiths/Hampson.
With this forward setup...
HF: Thomas, Everitt, Garlett
FF: Ellard, Waite, Wood
IMO
I'd be rolling Chris Yarran through there and getting some spark - or at least let's see if he can provide that spark. Does he have the hunger to impact a game through the midfield/wing region on a more regular basis. Can he do it?
He just isn't strong enough in traffic or over the ball, he gets put out of the contest before it starts.
Wouldn't mind seeing the bullocking Tuohy get some time in the midfield and wing also added to Yarran.
This guy did very well when given that opportunity, but he has a lot to learn. I think Tuohy along with Cripps, Bell and Armfield will be a regulars in the future. Curnow is looking better by the game, he is almost too good now to be wasted as a tagger as he can link up and work outside. Armfield has that explosive pace that Judd has and could be anything. Tuohy is granite on legs and he loves the crash and bash. Cripps is the brains that can work in tandem with Murphy.
Cripps, Graham and Holman are others to consider. Cripps is a different bullocking type due to his size but also his clean hands which the blokes mentioned above do not have as good as the young Crippa.
Like Tuohy he has a lot to learn, but Cripps might have better vision that most of our midfield. The sooner he gets in their the better he will become. Not unlike Rich at the Lions he will be highly variable to start off and get progressive better. We should be wasting time giving him a run.
Re Yarran. This I know to a degree. I think it will make him a better footballer to play through the middle. That's what I'm after.
Re Tuohy. See above that it will make him a better footballer.
Re Cripps - much better in close than Rich would ever hope to be. Crippa has some of the best hands and vision I have seen in a kid. He'll adapt making him very much in the frame for an early gig IMO.
Need to be careful with Cripps and not expect too much, watched him pick up Dangerfield I think it was in the NAB cup game in the last quarter and he doesnt have the nous yet to be lining up on Cotchin,Martin or Deledio in the middle.
I would start him as the sub if he played and let him have a look and get the pace of the game...he will be a great player but will get carved up if we start him on good players..
re: Yarran in the middle.....as the receiver why not?....if the other mids can get him the footy he might be give you 10 minutes of brilliance that change the game....you wouldnt do it all the time but everynow and then its worth a shot IMO..
Would also educate and round his game off a bit and make him a better player....
Boom. I knew you'd get it elwood.
The idea is to make Yarran, and Tuohy even, better players/AFL footballers. Round them off more and make them more complete players. Get proactive with their development!
I'd be inclined to play Cripps sparingly as much as we can. Just look at what Port has done with Wingard and Wines, they got games into them.
Cripps has footy smarts and will pick up the speed of the game quickly and has the build to widthstand the rigours of AFL. We just don't want him to play long periods and be battered by the end of the season, only a young body. Need him to taste the action, we will be better for it.
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
So I didn't see very much of the game at all but a mate who went on Sunday made the following comments:
1. Menzel appeared to be labouring around and look injured from the minute he came on. Many people around him also commented on this.
2. Our ruckmen were both jumping very early and were avoiding contact, were both deplorable.
Is it possible both rucks will be dropped? Is it possible Menzel won't play?
Just on Waite, I've said this many times, why not play him back?
1. My take on Menzel was not that he was labouring, just thats how he is. He is a little laconic and has a touch of Hoops about him. Seems to cruise around and do what he needs to do without ever looking too distressed. It gives the appearance of not going as hard as he can, but thats just him IMO.
2. I certainly would prefer both ruckmen to be dropped as they both offered us jack crape around the ground. I'd prefer to see Wood and Casboult come in.....and i'm well aware of how lacking Casboult is both in fitness and rucking ability.
Menzel will/should play...the whole game.
Waite can be used back, but to maximize our chances up forward, we need him there.
I don't think anyone can doubt the way he can take a game apart when given a chance.
The chances of his replacement doing the same, ie casboult, are unlikely.
I was just thinking to myself in that third quarter what a star Waite is but unlike his predecessor Fev, he was unable to go on with it and kick a bag of 7.
Pride on the line for both sides, the winner will be the team with the most pride.
That team better be Carlton, I'll be even more filthy than I am now with the CFC if it's not. >:(
Pride on the line for both sides, the winner will be the team with the most pride.
That team better be Carlton, I'll be even more filthy than I am now with the CFC if it's not. >:(
You won't be the only one feeling this. I definitely will be one, and at least 20 others on this site will probably be the same. Hardwick will have his side hit us hard and fast in the first quarter, to leave us playing catch up footy all night. They will still feel the sting from our last encounter. That leaves us open to a potential belting by the Bummers the following week to be 0-3. It just can't happen.
I was just thinking to myself in that third quarter what a star Waite is but unlike his predecessor Fev, he was unable to go on with it and kick a bag of 7.
WHAT! Something positive from the Carrots? :o
But then backs it up with a negative ;)
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
So I didn't see very much of the game at all but a mate who went on Sunday made the following comments:
1. Menzel appeared to be labouring around and look injured from the minute he came on. Many people around him also commented on this.
2. Our ruckmen were both jumping very early and were avoiding contact, were both deplorable.
Is it possible both rucks will be dropped? Is it possible Menzel won't play?
Just on Waite, I've said this many times, why not play him back?
1. My take on Menzel was not that he was labouring, just thats how he is. He is a little laconic and has a touch of Hoops about him. Seems to cruise around and do what he needs to do without ever looking too distressed. It gives the appearance of not going as hard as he can, but thats just him IMO.
2. I certainly would prefer both ruckmen to be dropped as they both offered us jack crape around the ground. I'd prefer to see Wood and Casboult come in.....and i'm well aware of how lacking Casboult is both in fitness and rucking ability.
Menzel will/should play...the whole game.
Waite can be used back, but to maximize our chances up forward, we need him there.
I don't think anyone can doubt the way he can take a game apart when given a chance.
The chances of his replacement doing the same, ie casboult, are unlikely.
We Agree.....dropping Warnock/Kruezer...that is the first time I have seen you so radical in approach.
Welcome to the dark side Krud... ;)
We Agree.....dropping Warnock/Kruezer...that is the first time I have seen you so radical in approach.
Welcome to the dark side Krud... ;)
This isn't the week to do it, Kreuzer must play against Hampson, Kreuzer has always had his measure in practice games.
Hampson has a bad habit of stopping and watching the contest rather than cracking in for a 2nd effort. Kreuzer hits the ground running after the contest and leaves Hampson trailing behind.
Warnock is no value after the tap and as hard as it might be for some to believe Hampson will out mark him just about all over the ground. Hampson is OK on the tap work, so Warnock has no significant advantage in that area it may well be a draw.
I suppose there are two ways the club can go, MM might make it a challenge for Warnock to prove his decision to keep him was right, or to avoid the debate altogether I would not be surprised to find the club making an excuse to leave Warnock out this week.
If you wanted to prove that the clubs decision to trade Hampson was correct they should play Kreuzer and Rowe against him with Everitt or Watson forcing aerial contests at either end of the ground.
Hampson, Vickery and Giffiths in combo would tear Casboult a new one in the ruck.
Carlton by 35.
I would be very tempted to give Cripps a run in this game, probably at the expense of Bell, or possibly Robbo. Buckley to come in for 1AW.
I was just thinking to myself in that third quarter what a star Waite is but unlike his predecessor Fev, he was unable to go on with it and kick a bag of 7.
Unfortunately Carrots that has been the story of his career hasn't. So close yet so far.
I also don't think we will be seeing many changes outside of injury/suspension ones. Mick likes to deflect pressure from the group and dropping blokes might not help in his view, especially this early.
McInnes is going to be a worry if he plays, under the big lights, packed house, I can see him having a Marcus Davies moment or two. I would like to see White in if he is fit, stronger mentally and physically. I hope he has a good run at it this year I've always liked the way he goes about it.
Buckley in for Walker, something tells me he might be alright in a game like this. He will be bursting from excitement and we need a bit of life in the team.
Jamo, Watson, White, Tuohy, Buckley and Simpson I would go with. Still have the option of swinging Hendo or Spider J back if needed.
The club is super quiet about the hobbling Hendo and Watson, anyone with an update?
Maybe I'll ask Navy Andrew!
No news here LP, but Henderson was clearly reluctant to kick longer than about 30-40 metres and that was prior to hearing your news about a calf.
Similar to Murphy they were deliberately not kicking long which is why they both passed off in scoring range.
Those passes generally didnt lead to goals, and therefore were a waste of time and potentially may have cost us the game. If the guys we rolled out there are not fit, I shudder to think just how bad condition the rest of the list is to warrant carrying blokes that are only giving you so much in terms of output.
No news here LP, but Henderson was clearly reluctant to kick longer than about 30-40 metres and that was prior to hearing your news about a calf.
Similar to Murphy they were deliberately not kicking long which is why they both passed off in scoring range.
Those passes generally didnt lead to goals, and therefore were a waste of time and potentially may have cost us the game. If the guys we rolled out there are not fit, I shudder to think just how bad condition the rest of the list is to warrant carrying blokes that are only giving you so much in terms of output.
Hendo was taking long shots in the warm up before the game though, several from well outside 50m.
He definately didnt want to kick long during the first term.
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
So I didn't see very much of the game at all but a mate who went on Sunday made the following comments:
1. Menzel appeared to be labouring around and look injured from the minute he came on. Many people around him also commented on this.
2. Our ruckmen were both jumping very early and were avoiding contact, were both deplorable.
Is it possible both rucks will be dropped? Is it possible Menzel won't play?
Just on Waite, I've said this many times, why not play him back?
1. My take on Menzel was not that he was labouring, just thats how he is. He is a little laconic and has a touch of Hoops about him. Seems to cruise around and do what he needs to do without ever looking too distressed. It gives the appearance of not going as hard as he can, but thats just him IMO.
2. I certainly would prefer both ruckmen to be dropped as they both offered us jack crape around the ground. I'd prefer to see Wood and Casboult come in.....and i'm well aware of how lacking Casboult is both in fitness and rucking ability.
Menzel will/should play...the whole game.
Waite can be used back, but to maximize our chances up forward, we need him there.
I don't think anyone can doubt the way he can take a game apart when given a chance.
The chances of his replacement doing the same, ie casboult, are unlikely.
We Agree.....dropping Warnock/Kruezer...that is the first time I have seen you so radical in approach.
Welcome to the dark side Krud... ;)
First time? You don't read a lot of my posts do you.
If it was up to me the AFL would have a lottery draft, divide the teams into conferences/divisions and completely change the way the game is presented on game day...and especially Grand Final.
In terms of our list and/or changes, i call it as i see it. Been calling for Robbos head well before it was fashionable and have been in favour of throwing everything at getting a genuine key forward along the way.
Surely Garlett gets the vest if he keeps his spot. Give Menzel a decent run an it.
Would've loved Betts up front instead of Thomas. Looks like we'll be waiting a little to see the best of Daisy.
So I didn't see very much of the game at all but a mate who went on Sunday made the following comments:
1. Menzel appeared to be labouring around and look injured from the minute he came on. Many people around him also commented on this.
2. Our ruckmen were both jumping very early and were avoiding contact, were both deplorable.
Is it possible both rucks will be dropped? Is it possible Menzel won't play?
Just on Waite, I've said this many times, why not play him back?
1. My take on Menzel was not that he was labouring, just thats how he is. He is a little laconic and has a touch of Hoops about him. Seems to cruise around and do what he needs to do without ever looking too distressed. It gives the appearance of not going as hard as he can, but thats just him IMO.
2. I certainly would prefer both ruckmen to be dropped as they both offered us jack crape around the ground. I'd prefer to see Wood and Casboult come in.....and i'm well aware of how lacking Casboult is both in fitness and rucking ability.
Menzel will/should play...the whole game.
Waite can be used back, but to maximize our chances up forward, we need him there.
I don't think anyone can doubt the way he can take a game apart when given a chance.
The chances of his replacement doing the same, ie casboult, are unlikely.
We Agree.....dropping Warnock/Kruezer...that is the first time I have seen you so radical in approach.
Welcome to the dark side Krud... ;)
First time? You don't read a lot of my posts do you.
If it was up to me the AFL would have a lottery draft, divide the teams into conferences/divisions and completely change the way the game is presented on game day...and especially Grand Final.
In terms of our list and/or changes, i call it as i see it. Been calling for Robbos head well before it was fashionable and have been in favour of throwing everything at getting a genuine key forward along the way.
I read all of your posts Krud and I generally find them amazing.... ;)
Funny optimism.
Tigs will win by 30.
We don't have Garry Ablett.
Been calling for Robbos head well before it was fashionable.
Hipster :P
The fact robbo still gets games is indicative of where the list is at
[1] When we name our side, we include only fit players. No playing half fit guys - they can't run out a game.
[2] We play a few forwards. Not just Waite. The question, is who?
[3] We work on our midfield so we get the ball out of the middle. I'm tired of seeing us smashed in centre clearances when the game is up for grabs. In fact, I'm tired of being beaten in centre clearances at all.
[1] When we name our side, we include only fit players. No playing half fit guys - they can't run out a game.
[2] We play a few forwards. Not just Waite. The question, is who?
[3] We work on our midfield so we get the ball out of the middle. I'm tired of seeing us smashed in centre clearances when the game is up for grabs. In fact, I'm tired of being beaten in centre clearances at all.
Just on #2, unless you are thinking we play players from other teams lists, i think we are stuck with Waite. :-\
[1] When we name our side, we include only fit players. No playing half fit guys - they can't run out a game.
[2] We play a few forwards. Not just Waite. The question, is who?
[3] We work on our midfield so we get the ball out of the middle. I'm tired of seeing us smashed in centre clearances when the game is up for grabs. In fact, I'm tired of being beaten in centre clearances at all.
Just on #2, unless you are thinking we play players from other teams lists, i think we are stuck with Waite. :-\
What about we bite the bullet and put time into Casboult and make him the fullforward....leave the Boult one out to lead up(not too far) or body up his man in the square....I'd even give Rowe another go but I think the Boult is more dangerous with those big one grab marks. He terrorised Essendon that one game, roughed up some of theose players and showed he could do it, I just think we have to leave him there to develop and not drop him after one or two ordinary games and show some faith in him.
Forget this Kruzer idea up forward as well.....he can ruck with Wood and leave the Boult down forward...reckon Jeffy, Menzel, Murphy would like the big Boult providing cover down there as well.
Use the more mobile Waite up the ground, also leaves us with the Henderson option of forward or back.
Problem we are going to have is now every team will play three tall forwards and dictate how we lineup...I'd like to change that and make where Waite and Henderson play more unpredictable and have us dictate the tactics.
[1] When we name our side, we include only fit players. No playing half fit guys - they can't run out a game.
[2] We play a few forwards. Not just Waite. The question, is who?
[3] We work on our midfield so we get the ball out of the middle. I'm tired of seeing us smashed in centre clearances when the game is up for grabs. In fact, I'm tired of being beaten in centre clearances at all.
Just on #2, unless you are thinking we play players from other teams lists, i think we are stuck with Waite. :-\
What about we bite the bullet and put time into Casboult and make him the fullforward....leave the Boult one out to lead up(not too far) or body up his man in the square....I'd even give Rowe another go but I think the Boult is more dangerous with those big one grab marks. He terrorised Essendon that one game, roughed up some of theose players and showed he could do it, I just think we have to leave him there to develop and not drop him after one or two ordinary games and show some faith in him.
Forget this Kruzer idea up forward as well.....he can ruck with Wood and leave the Boult down forward...reckon Jeffy, Menzel, Murphy would like the big Boult providing cover down there as well.
Use the more mobile Waite up the ground, also leaves us with the Henderson option of forward or back.
Problem we are going to have is now every team will play three tall forwards and dictate how we lineup...I'd like to change that and make where Waite and Henderson play more unpredictable and have us dictate the tactics.
Yes RE Levi, No RE Rowe. Sammy just not up to it IMO. Whilst I am not sold on Levi (kicking and fitness), he is the best of a very bad lot.
Scum looking the goods. God forbid we drop this game and then again against the scum.
What about we bite the bullet and put time into Casboult and make him the fullforward....leave the Boult one out to lead up(not too far) or body up his man in the square...
EB1, you were doing OK until that bold point. For his size Casboult is so easily disposed of it isn't funny. I hope he is better this season but in the past the slightest contest and he almost stepped out of the way! He's a superstar at jumping from the back of the pack, but put him in the front or make it a wrestle and he has turned Bambi in the past.
I reckon if you wanted a bloke wrestling in the square any of our regular three tall defenders would be a better option.
Scum looking the goods. God forbid we drop this game and then again against the scum.
2013 all over again :(
Scum looking the goods. God forbid we drop this game and then again against the scum.
We have form and I expect the discipline to match.
MM needs to take this season to mould attitude and culture. Every weak link must be exposed and culled whoever they are.
What about we bite the bullet and put time into Casboult and make him the fullforward....leave the Boult one out to lead up(not too far) or body up his man in the square...
EB1, you were doing OK until that bold point. For his size Casboult is so easily disposed of it isn't funny. I hope he is better this season but in the past the slightest contest and he almost stepped out of the way! He's a superstar at jumping from the back of the pack, but put him in the front or make it a wrestle and he has turned Bambi in the past.
I reckon if you wanted a bloke wrestling in the square any of our regular three tall defenders would be a better option.
Dont disagree the Boult needs work in that area but he has to learn and he wont learn anything playing in the twos...Geelong could have spat the dummy with Hawkins after he didnt set the world on fire early but persisted, when you are 100kg like Casboult you dont get shoved out the road if you are taught properly.
Our three defenders???...McInnes got shoved out of the road by a bloke half his size in Gray and then let him go in a tackle, Watson couldnt lay body on Westhoff and Jamo couldnt catch him to lay body on....
Eddie Betts had more idea on wrestling for position....
Scum looking the goods. God forbid we drop this game and then again against the scum.
We have form and I expect the discipline to match.
MM needs to take this season to mould attitude and culture. Every weak link must be exposed and culled whoever they are.
That was last year's plan remember? I have a feeling I'm going to be hearing the same thing this time next year as well.
[1] When we name our side, we include only fit players. No playing half fit guys - they can't run out a game.
[2] We play a few forwards. Not just Waite. The question, is who?
[3] We work on our midfield so we get the ball out of the middle. I'm tired of seeing us smashed in centre clearances when the game is up for grabs. In fact, I'm tired of being beaten in centre clearances at all.
Just on #2, unless you are thinking we play players from other teams lists, i think we are stuck with Waite. :-\
What about we bite the bullet and put time into Casboult and make him the fullforward....
We've bitten the bullet so many time that its casing now shows our complete dental records!
Until he gets fit and until he can learn to kick, he will be a fallback option at best. He could turn out to be the next T. Cloke. I suspect he will not.
I've already said that i'd bring in both Wood and Casboult instead of our #1 and #2 rucks, point is though, looking through our forwards cupboard and its pretty bare. Especially when you see Hendo in the backline cupboard more often than not.
Half of our problem is Kreuzer plays his best football as the first ruck and struggles to have an impact when playing second fiddle to Warncock.
[1] When we name our side, we include only fit players. No playing half fit guys - they can't run out a game.
[2] We play a few forwards. Not just Waite. The question, is who?
[3] We work on our midfield so we get the ball out of the middle. I'm tired of seeing us smashed in centre clearances when the game is up for grabs. In fact, I'm tired of being beaten in centre clearances at all.
Just on #2, unless you are thinking we play players from other teams lists, i think we are stuck with Waite. :-\
What about we bite the bullet and put time into Casboult and make him the fullforward....
We've bitten the bullet so many time that its casing now shows our complete dental records!
Until he gets fit and until he can learn to kick, he will be a fallback option at best. He could turn out to be the next T. Cloke. I suspect he will not.
I've already said that i'd bring in both Wood and Casboult instead of our #1 and #2 rucks, point is though, looking through our forwards cupboard and its pretty bare. Especially when you see Hendo in the backline cupboard more often than not.
I'm not saying Casboult is the answer but we have to work with what we have this year and he is probably the best of not much to pick from.......I agree with Wood coming in to the team and would retain Kruezer as my other ruckman, Casboult wouldnt be rucking if I was coaching and would be a permament forward unless we had ruck injuries on the day.
Hawthorn won a flag with inferior pure ruckmen but they worked it into an advantage.
Bailey was their best ruck but he was subbed off at 3 quarter time nearly every match for a midfielder to bring in more run.
Hale helped Bailey out and was probably their best contested mark up forward.
Roughead would go into the ruck in the final terms to bring even more run late in games.
tigers are thereabouts for me. If we cant get over them, we're fugged
plain and simple.
After seeing some of the other results this round, I don't feel so bad about us. I think some teams just haven't adjusted from the preseason to the real deal yet.
I've been keeping an eye on rotations used. We used 84 and Essendon used 111. We need to get that number near 120 asap. Simmo reckons our GPS numbers were through the roof so hopefully busting our guts in the first game will get us match fit quicker.
I haven't written us off JUST yet.
Hawthorn won a flag with inferior pure ruckmen but they worked it into an advantage.
Bailey was their best ruck but he was subbed off at 3 quarter time nearly every match for a midfielder to bring in more run.
Hale helped Bailey out and was probably their best contested mark up forward.
Roughead would go into the ruck in the final terms to bring even more run late in games.
Madbluboy, its a great point you make. Hawthorn are the best innovators in the game, and the angry ant has a lot to do with it. Most teams including us just play catch up/copy cat.
I wouldn't mind us being able to do something like that as well, if Warnock gets subbed out and you tell Kreuzer its all on you win us the game, maybe that would get the best out of him. Plus the extra run.
Maybe not this wek but Id be looking at a slightly different forward structure in the near future if we continue to be poor here.
KD's - Jamison, Waite
3rd tall - White
KF's - Henderson, Casboult
Talls - Everitt, Walker
Ruck - Kreuzer
-Casboult to back up MK as 2nd ruck but I want Mk to get to the point of rucking most of the game.
-Consider Casboult as the CHF leadup. Henderson deep/FF where his nous is of more use.
-Everitt and Walke to provide extra potency instead of us continually relying on Waite and a ruckman.
I wouldn't mind us being able to do something like that as well, if Warnock gets subbed out and you tell Kreuzer its all on you win us the game, maybe that would get the best out of him. Plus the extra run.
I really like this idea. Put the challenge to the man he seems like the type that would respond to some extra responsibility.
MM needs to take this season to mould attitude and culture.
He's already had 1 season to do this. Just how big a problem is it, if he hasn't been able to fix it already?!!
It's all quite concerning from where I'm sitting .... :-\
Well this week should be the first week where we play only one of Kreuz or Warnock. I think we have to move away from the idea that we can make a forward out of either of them and they should be regarded primarily as rucks who are mutually exclusive. Start this week by giving Kreuzer a run and bringing in Casboult at CHF/2nd ruck. to see how they go, with Warnock and Rowe waiting in the wings as futurealternatives.
Would also give Bell a rest and bring in Cripps, and bring in Scotland in place of McInnes. Was also tempted to leave out Robbo but maybe that would be one change too many
Garlett as sub and Menzel to be given a four quarter run. If I see him with the red vest on again I think I'll lose it! Garlett very lucky to keep his spot for his 100th game.
Garlett as sub and Menzel to be given a four quarter run. If I see him with the red vest on again I think I'll lose it! Garlett very lucky to keep his spot for his 100th game.
Green vest ;)
Garlett as sub and Menzel to be given a four quarter run. If I see him with the red vest on again I think I'll lose it! Garlett very lucky to keep his spot for his 100th game.
Green vest ;)
Yeah that too....if I see him in red early in the game that would be a very bad thing!
IN: Graham, Scotland, Wood
OUT: Walker, McInnes, Kreuzer
Keys:
Marc Murphy - Dan Jackson is doubtful and will be underdone if he does play. Murphy won't have to deal with their number 1 tagger and needs to have a good game.
Chris Yarran - Needs to play off half back in Walker's spot and provide some run from there
Jamison on Riewoldt, Henderson on Vickery and Watson on Griffiths/Hampson.
With this forward setup...
HF: Thomas, Everitt, Garlett
FF: Ellard, Waite, Wood
IMO
Changed my opinion on this...
OUT: McInnes, Walker
IN: Rowe, Graham
We need size down back and Graham needs game time.
As I have continued to say and write Warnock is a ya by,can't mark can't bend over can only tap the ball and then we do not get that great an advantage anyhow,Kruezer has to be the ruck the bolt has to play crips has to play menzal has to play and you would have to consider Holman and Grahame we cannot keep going back to ellard McKinnes Scotland armfield and such we need to make the change and make it now give the kids ago and see what happens and as I say give them 6 or 7 games tell them they are in till then and it's up to them to grab there spot.are we the only team that did not name a new young kid in our team.If malt house was appointed to rebuild the club for the future you would never know it. We might as well have kept rats.yarran Garlett robo bell should have the riot act read to them and. Told they have got 5 or 6 games to keep themselves on the list at the end of the year.
It's time.
Like it or not at least it's my opinion
Garlett as sub and Menzel to be given a four quarter run. If I see him with the red vest on again I think I'll lose it! Garlett very lucky to keep his spot for his 100th game.
x2. Menzel has too much class and ability to ever be made sub we should leave that to Lucas. Hopefully Mick gets that.
Yes, I'm for one ruck and a b it of relief from a forward. We have two first ruck who have no idea how to play forward. Doesn't help Kreuzer at all. Only thing is I'd want to play Casboult more CHF where he can run around, run on to the ball and use his strength, his marking, similar to his game against the Bomber s last year. He dominated and took 10 marks. When he's at FF he doesn't do as well.
Garlett as sub and Menzel to be given a four quarter run. If I see him with the red vest on again I think I'll lose it! Garlett very lucky to keep his spot for his 100th game.
x2. Menzel has too much class and ability to ever be made sub we should leave that to Lucas. Hopefully Mick gets that.
x3. I don't understand why we pussyfoot around with Menzel. The kid obviously had talent to burn and deserves four quarters to prove it.
Scum looking the goods. God forbid we drop this game and then again against the scum.
Lock it in Carrots.
Scum looking the goods. God forbid we drop this game and then again against the scum.
Lock it in Carrots.
Can I go 50-50? ;)
Hawthorn won a flag with inferior pure ruckmen but they worked it into an advantage.
Bailey was their best ruck but he was subbed off at 3 quarter time nearly every match for a midfielder to bring in more run.
Hale helped Bailey out and was probably their best contested mark up forward.
Roughead would go into the ruck in the final terms to bring even more run late in games.
Inferior than who, someone on our list?
Bailey(even as a cripple), Hale and Roughead are all a mile ahead of Rowe and Casboult.
Warnock and Kreuzer may break even in the centre circle, but as soon the ball moves out of the centre circle Bailey, Hale and Roughead all mark the ball or link up better than both our guys, actually all our guys. All three Hawthorn rucks could use their body and bulk well.
Your concept of inferior Hawthorn rucks seems to be coming from a very limited perspective! I assume by ruck you mean the centre tap, which explains your apparent perception of rucks and their value.
When I think of rucks I think of blokes who can drift across packs in D50 to take saving marks, guys who can sneak forward and mark deep in the F50. Guys who use their bulk to block defenders from tackling forwards. Players who create space around them for others. Guys who hurt the opposition physically, guys who take the front position. The tap is such a pissy component of the role ruckmen play that judging their value by it is almost a joke!
Time to shore up our defence with Henderson, Everitt and Jamo, with support from Tuohy & Simpson AND time to back Casboult as our FF with Waite at CHF. Watson, McInnes and McLean to have a rest.
We need to see Graham, Menzel & Casboult given a go.
Time to shore up our defence with Henderson, Everitt and Jamo, with support from Tuohy & Simpson AND time to back Casboult as our FF with Waite at CHF. Watson, McInnes and McLean to have a rest.
We need to see Graham, Menzel & Casboult given a go.
I wouldn't be dropping McLean. He's always needed 3-4 games to pick up the pace and then he's right for the rest of the year. The problem we've had over the last 5 years is that a player has one bad game and is dropped for another who plays just as poorly the week after. Other teams give their players a good run at it, otherwise you destroy players' confidence and their development.
Rather than dropping Brock I think one of Bell or Robbo is more likely - among others.
I'm almost over this club.
Nothing has changed in this place for at least 5 years.
What does Buckley have to do to get a game? The kid has pace and takes the game on. He tries to make things happen. I'd love to see him get a regular gig.
I'd also like to see Casboult in but that will only happen if one of Hendo,Waite, Warnock or Kruezer make way. We'd be too big otherwise. For mine, Kreuzer should make way. He is too small to be a ruckman and too slow to be a fwd. What a fuuk up of the highest order has that pick been.........maybe that knee did more damage than we'll ever know but for all the hype surrounding this bloke as a junior............pfft he wouldnt be a 3rd round pick in todays market!!
Graham is another I'd like to see more.
Robbo needs to be dropped for not learning a thing in 4 years!! It's all good to go in hard for the ball but if you dont use the bloody thing then whats the fkn point!! 40 mtr skyhigh bombs in hope are a thing of the past FFS !
It's sad that at this stage of the year, I feel so deflated about our chances this year. A win over 9thmond wont change that .........it must be a more consistant effort from the team. I'm just not holding my breath. :-[
Rather than dropping Brock I think one of Bell or Robbo is more likely - among others.
Robbo for mine, serial butcher.
What does Buckley have to do to get a game? The kid has pace and takes the game on. He tries to make things happen. I'd love to see him get a regular gig.
I so agree with this!
As for Robbo, he had 21 and 27 touches in our two finals last year and kicked 3 goals. He's not going anywhere and nor he shouldn't.
Hawthorn won a flag with inferior pure ruckmen but they worked it into an advantage.
Bailey was their best ruck but he was subbed off at 3 quarter time nearly every match for a midfielder to bring in more run.
Hale helped Bailey out and was probably their best contested mark up forward.
Roughead would go into the ruck in the final terms to bring even more run late in games.
Inferior than who, someone on our list?
Bailey(even as a cripple), Hale and Roughead are all a mile ahead of Rowe and Casboult.
Warnock and Kreuzer may break even in the centre circle, but as soon the ball moves out of the centre circle Bailey, Hale and Roughead all mark the ball or link up better than both our guys, actually all our guys. All three Hawthorn rucks could use their body and bulk well.
Your concept of inferior Hawthorn rucks seems to be coming from a very limited perspective! I assume by ruck you mean the centre tap, which explains your apparent perception of rucks and their value.
When I think of rucks I think of blokes who can drift across packs in D50 to take saving marks, guys who can sneak forward and mark deep in the F50. Guys who use their bulk to block defenders from tackling forwards. Players who create space around them for others. Guys who hurt the opposition physically, guys who take the front position. The tap is such a pissy component of the role ruckmen play that judging their value by it is almost a joke!
"pure ruckmen"
What does Buckley have to do to get a game? The kid has pace and takes the game on. He tries to make things happen. I'd love to see him get a regular gig.
I so agree with this!
As for Robbo, he had 21 and 27 touches in our two finals last year and kicked 3 goals. He's not going anywhere and nor he shouldn't.
Yet he was voted worst on ground. So if he doesn't make way, someone less deserving does. How is that fair?
We need to start rewarding players for good performances and penalising those who have bad ones. Only then we will see a rise in team output.
"pure ruckmen"
Thanks for agreeing. ;)
What does Buckley have to do to get a game? The kid has pace and takes the game on. He tries to make things happen. I'd love to see him get a regular gig.
I so agree with this!
As for Robbo, he had 21 and 27 touches in our two finals last year and kicked 3 goals. He's not going anywhere and nor he shouldn't.
Yet he was voted worst on ground.
What in this forum? Means sweet FA. I didn't have him in my worst. I'd be shocked if he was dropped.
This game on Thursday will define our season as far as I am concerned. If we win, then there is hope for us to at least make the 8. If we lose, we are gone.
The reason I say this, is because we will be facing a team who will be out to avenge their unexpected loss to us in the finals last year. They will be mentally and physically at their peak and will throw everything at us.
If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.
The season is going to be so tight this year, that we cannot afford to be 0/2 or 0/3 down. We will not recover from that.
I was around and didn't miss a game in 1964, our 100th. anniversary. The hype was unreal. I was far more heavily involved in the club at that time, through my fathers connections there, his friendship with the board and the players, in particular Big Nic who came to our home every week during his first 10 years at the club.
WE finished 10th!! In fact it was our worst year ever up to that point, in the VFL.
I haven't lived and supported the club this long, to see a repeat.
Unless modern medicine improves out of sight, I won't be around to see the 200th. anniversary, so I hope the boys that we have got, the coach and the coaching staff, can make this 150th year of our existence, a year to remember.
For all the right reasons ;D ;D
If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.
Bring that endeavour and pressure to the match and we'll push every side.
"pure ruckmen"
Thanks for agreeing. ;)
You could have just apologised.
If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.
Bring that endeavour and pressure to the match and we'll push every side.
As we have shown in the past with any team. Come to play, and things just fall into place. Turn up flat and deflated, and your better off just going back home.
If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.
Bring that endeavour and pressure to the match and we'll push every side.
As we have shown in the past with any team. Come to play, and things just fall into place. Turn up flat and deflated, and your better off just going back home.
Not good enough though. We used to bury teams, yet now we struggle to get over the line.
If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.
Bring that endeavour and pressure to the match and we'll push every side.
As we have shown in the past with any team. Come to play, and things just fall into place. Turn up flat and deflated, and your better off just going back home.
Not good enough though. We used to bury teams, yet now we struggle to get over the line.
Unfortunately the days of us smashing teams seem to have disappeared again. We need to be able to kick goals regularly and keep other teams from kicking them. That is where we are showing weakness: we don't have the guys who get on top and stay there.
If we can replicate the pressure game of the 1st quarter on a regular basis, we can beat anyone. That football was some of the best we've played in years, especially without Judd and Carrots.
This game on Thursday will define our season as far as I am concerned. If we win, then there is hope for us to at least make the 8. If we lose, we are gone.
The reason I say this, is because we will be facing a team who will be out to avenge their unexpected loss to us in the finals last year. They will be mentally and physically at their peak and will throw everything at us.
If we can not only withstand their pressure, but play with the same endeavour and pressure that we displayed in the first quarter last week, albeit with more accurate kicking this time, and we can do it for four quarters, and we beat them, it will set us up for the rest of the season.
The season is going to be so tight this year, that we cannot afford to be 0/2 or 0/3 down. We will not recover from that.
I was around and didn't miss a game in 1964, our 100th. anniversary. The hype was unreal. I was far more heavily involved in the club at that time, through my fathers connections there, his friendship with the board and the players, in particular Big Nic who came to our home every week during his first 10 years at the club.
WE finished 10th!! In fact it was our worst year ever up to that point, in the VFL.
I haven't lived and supported the club this long, to see a repeat.
Unless modern medicine improves out of sight, I won't be around to see the 200th. anniversary, so I hope the boys that we have got, the coach and the coaching staff, can make this 150th year of our existence, a year to remember.
For all the right reasons ;D ;D
I was locking us in as certainties to win this week, and then I read the bit in Bold.
Now I am sitting there thinking about our boys and what they regularly dish up, and the only reason I think we are a chance is because this Richmond side tends to run in 4 game trends where they start getting poor results, they continue them for a few matches.
Our boys are a week to week proposition and even then its Jekyll and Hyde stuff.
You guys tipping the Carlton walkover are dreaming! The tigers at least have heart, and they have a big loss to avenge. They will put everything into beating us.
"pure ruckmen"
Thanks for agreeing. ;)
You could have just apologised.
It's the ruckmen you should apologise to! ;)
You guys tipping the Carlton walkover are dreaming! The tigers at least have heart, and they have a big loss to avenge. They will put everything into beating us.
The Tigers have heart?
Since when?
You guys tipping the Carlton walkover are dreaming! The tigers at least have heart, and they have a big loss to avenge. They will put everything into beating us.
The Tigers have heart?
Since when?
Since they showed they can beat teams like Sydney and Hawthorn, teams that throw everything at you, teams we can't seem to get close to.
Since they showed they can beat teams like Sydney and Hawthorn, teams that throw everything at you, teams we can't seem to get close to.
All clubs have bogey teams that seem to stitch them up against the odds, for years our bogey team was Melbourne.
Are we anyones bogey side?
Since they showed they can beat teams like Sydney and Hawthorn, teams that throw everything at you, teams we can't seem to get close to.
All clubs have bogey teams that seem to stitch them up against the odds, for years our bogey team was Melbourne.
Are we anyones bogey side?
Richmond's obviously....which makes a loss on Thursday even more frightening.
You guys tipping the Carlton walkover are dreaming! The tigers at least have heart, and they have a big loss to avenge. They will put everything into beating us.
The Tigers have heart?
Since when?
Since they showed they can beat teams like Sydney and Hawthorn, teams that throw everything at you, teams we can't seem to get close to.
Forgive me if this is wrong, but the Tigers have mental blocks against North as well, Gold Coast have their measure by a fair way. We are not mental giants ourselves, and more often than not are pea hearted, but Richmond have about as much ticker as the Collingwood football club on grand final day in september.
We saw their apparent lack of ticker against us in 2012. If there was ever a year that they should have put that demon to the sword it was when Mclean sealed the game with that kick that Levi misjudged and inadvertently shepherded through.
The rematch in round one of the following season, they showed a similar level of pea heartedness when they let us back in to almost pinch that game back. I am sure that Yarran streaming into 50 gives the Tigers nightmares every time it happens.
They have groundhog day every time they play against us. The one thing that really concerns me, is that KB isnt crowing about how they are going to win by 99 points. Suggests they might be focussing on the task at hand for once.
I always said Hawthorn wouldn't win another premiership until they beat Geelong.
The tigers won't ever improve properly until they beat us easily, i have a feeling that it's coming.
It will be interesting.
I reckon Hardwick is right on a knifes edge at the moment.
If we win well, then the drums will start beating. He's still my tip to be gone at years end.
Not sure on injuries but Id go with:
B: Tuohy, Jamison, Waite
Hb: Simpson, Watson, Yarran
C: Thomas, Gibbs, Bell
Hf: Everitt, Kreuzer, Menzel
F: Ellard, Henderson, Garlett
Foll: Warnock, Curnow
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Buckley, Cripps, Graham, McLean
Emerg: Cachia, Casboult, Scotland
In - Buckley, Cripps, Graham
Out - Walker (susp), Robinson, McInnes
*Not sure on where Armfield, Carrazzo, Docherty, White and Judd are at fitness-wise.
**I'm giving MK another go for this week. Lead up at the ball and move about. If he cannot do this because of fitness the Casboult gets a gig.
Can't win with that side - too short.
I always said Hawthorn wouldn't win another premiership until they beat Geelong.
The tigers won't ever improve properly until they beat us easily, i have a feeling that it's coming.
Yep. Agree 100%. We looked really slow last week. If Tigers get their running game going then i can see us copping a real belting.
Tigers by 36 points
Forgive me if this is wrong, but the Tigers have mental blocks against North as well, Gold Coast have their measure by a fair way. We are not mental giants ourselves, and more often than not are pea hearted, but Richmond have about as much ticker as the Collingwood football club on grand final day in september.
Gee, as a Carlton supporter I don't think we can throw stones at clubs that lose to GC! In any case the ways things are heading that will be normal for most clubs.
I'd feel much safer pumping our own tyres up in this regard rather than making that sort of comparison, it is just the sort of thing our club would do to prove you wrong! Lose to GC!
I think Robbo will play, does well vs Richmond usually....player we will miss is Judd, he sparked us in the final and I'm not sure we can win without him.
Bell got subbed off so I reckon he will be an out....also think Scotland will play.
Cripps might have to wait another week but would expect Graham to be in the team.
I think Robbo will play, does well vs Richmond usually....player we will miss is Judd, he sparked us in the final and I'm not sure we can win without him.
Bell got subbed off so I reckon he will be an out....also think Scotland will play.
Cripps might have to wait another week but would expect Graham to be in the team.
Agree about Bell, he might find himself on the sidelines for a while, at least until he proves he can play accountably.
Not sure about Scotland, but if Armfield is fit he could be an in.
Forgive me if this is wrong, but the Tigers have mental blocks against North as well, Gold Coast have their measure by a fair way. We are not mental giants ourselves, and more often than not are pea hearted, but Richmond have about as much ticker as the Collingwood football club on grand final day in september.
Gee, as a Carlton supporter I don't think we can throw stones at clubs that lose to GC! In any case the ways things are heading that will be normal for most clubs.
I'd feel much safer pumping our own tyres up in this regard rather than making that sort of comparison, it is just the sort of thing our club would do to prove you wrong! Lose to GC!
Of course im not throwing stones about it. You jumped into a discussion Carrots and I are having regarding clubs that are pea hearted.
Its a testament to just how off track we are, when I lump our good selves in with the Melbourne Football Club, North Melbourne and Richmond. Here emerges the problem. A few years ago, this list was a lot longer, and featured sides like Essendon, Freo, Adelaide, Brisbane. This list is shrinking, Melbourne showed a lot more fight over the weekend than they have in the last 5 years added together with one of their more imbalanced sides on the field I might add. The really dissapointing thing is that although that list has shrunk, we are still firmly entrenched on there in the short term, and its got more to do with blokes that dont play for each other than it does anything else.
Can't win with that side - too short.
Thought that to. Struggling for bigs though aren't we, good ones that is. I was looking for another tallish type but McInnes is terrible, Boots I wouldn't mind trialling again, White not sure on his body as I mentioned.
Richmond will try 3 bigs I think in their forward line and don't want McInnes playing as a 3rd tall on 200m blokes.
I'm over re-hashing the same old same olds.
I think Robbo will play, does well vs Richmond usually....player we will miss is Judd, he sparked us in the final and I'm not sure we can win without him.
Bell got subbed off so I reckon he will be an out....also think Scotland will play.
Cripps might have to wait another week but would expect Graham to be in the team.
Just my opinion but Bell should continue to play - Graham has to play. Needs AFL game time that's for sure. Scotland seemed very underdone but hopefully is better hence he's in my squad.
We have far too many underdone players and I feel we'll be playing catchup all year and in fact may never really catchup to the highest level required.
I'm a bit over some of our blokes and just rehashing the same team, rolling out the same blokes in the same positions each week. It isn't really working.
Agreed Pratty but the options are very limited with our wonderful list... Maybe sticking Levi in the square is the only option we have of stretching our limited big man resources because the Tigers will play three tall forwards to stretch us and Henderson can't be everywhere.
I was McInnes biggest fan but his footy post his big knee has been totally bereft of confident and he is now making the simple stuff look very hard. Heck, in his first few games he held down CHB and even went forward against the Pies to provide a making option across half forward. Seriously, what has happened to this bloke?
I think Robbo will play, does well vs Richmond usually....player we will miss is Judd, he sparked us in the final and I'm not sure we can win without him.
Bell got subbed off so I reckon he will be an out....also think Scotland will play.
Cripps might have to wait another week but would expect Graham to be in the team.
Just my opinion but Bell should continue to play - Graham has to play. Needs AFL game time that's for sure. Scotland seemed very underdone but hopefully is better hence he's in my squad.
We have far too many underdone players and I feel we'll be playing catchup all year and in fact may never really catchup to the highest level required.
I'm a bit over some of our blokes and just rehashing the same team, rolling out the same blokes in the same positions each week. It isn't really working.
I agree on Bell but the fact he was subbed out just had me thinking Mick wasnt overly happy with him..
Also agree on rehashing the team, Id' rather see players like Casboult and Rowe play in the KP Forward spots and have a more traditional structure, something we have never had for while, if they cant cut it then we dont have any reservations about cutting them at seasons end..
Agreed Pratty but the options are very limited with our wonderful list... Maybe sticking Levi in the square is the only option we have of stretching our limited big man resources because the Tigers will play three tall forwards to stretch us and Henderson can't be everywhere.
I was McInnes biggest fan but his footy post his big knee has been totally bereft of confident and he is now making the simple stuff look very hard. Heck, in his first few games he held down CHB and even went forward against the Pies to provide a making option across half forward. Seriously, what has happened to this bloke?
Coach has failed to instill confidence?
Oops, wrong thread!
Just my opinion but Bell should continue to play - Graham has to play. Needs AFL game time that's for sure. Scotland seemed very underdone but hopefully is better hence he's in my squad.
We have far too many underdone players and I feel we'll be playing catchup all year and in fact may never really catchup to the highest level required.
I'm a bit over some of our blokes and just rehashing the same team, rolling out the same blokes in the same positions each week. It isn't really working.
I agree on Bell but the fact he was subbed out just had me thinking Mick wasnt overly happy with him..
Also agree on rehashing the team, Id' rather see players like Casboult and Rowe play in the KP Forward spots and have a more traditional structure, something we have never had for while, if they cant cut it then we dont have any reservations about cutting them at seasons end..
I am not so sure about Bell playing. If as a young player you burn too many bridges with your teammates you can pretty quickly and irrevocably find yourself on the outer, and Bell is potentially way too good of a player to let that happen. The best place to learn some self-sacrifice and humility is in the 2s!
Juddy is so close, could he be the sub this week, bring him on half way through the third quarter and let him go for it. ( I know you run the risk that he might be used in the first five minutes!)
Juddy is so close, could he be the sub this week, bring him on half way through the third quarter and let him go for it. ( I know you run the risk that he might be used in the first fire minutes!)
Can't see MM doing that based on his frequent "We must get less dependent on Judd" statements. I think he'll wait until Juddy is absolutely 100% before bringing him in.
We'd be better served by getting a full game into either Menzel, Cripps, Graham or Buckley than risking Judd.
We'd be better served by getting a full game into either Menzel, Cripps, Graham or Buckley than risking Judd.
Yep!
Agreed Pratty but the options are very limited with our wonderful list... Maybe sticking Levi in the square is the only option we have of stretching our limited big man resources because the Tigers will play three tall forwards to stretch us and Henderson can't be everywhere.
I was McInnes biggest fan but his footy post his big knee has been totally bereft of confident and he is now making the simple stuff look very hard. Heck, in his first few games he held down CHB and even went forward against the Pies to provide a making option across half forward. Seriously, what has happened to this bloke?
Coach has failed to instill confidence?
If the coach had no confidence he wouldn't have been listed
Agreed Pratty but the options are very limited with our wonderful list... Maybe sticking Levi in the square is the only option we have of stretching our limited big man resources because the Tigers will play three tall forwards to stretch us and Henderson can't be everywhere.
I was McInnes biggest fan but his footy post his big knee has been totally bereft of confident and he is now making the simple stuff look very hard. Heck, in his first few games he held down CHB and even went forward against the Pies to provide a making option across half forward. Seriously, what has happened to this bloke?
Coach has failed to instill confidence?
If the coach had no confidence he wouldn't have been listed
Agree, the only tool MM could employ with McInnes was confidence yet it would appear that the disruption to his development through injury has had a greater impact that is rapidly reaching crisis point.
Agreed Pratty but the options are very limited with our wonderful list... Maybe sticking Levi in the square is the only option we have of stretching our limited big man resources because the Tigers will play three tall forwards to stretch us and Henderson can't be everywhere.
I was McInnes biggest fan but his footy post his big knee has been totally bereft of confident and he is now making the simple stuff look very hard. Heck, in his first few games he held down CHB and even went forward against the Pies to provide a making option across half forward. Seriously, what has happened to this bloke?
Coach has failed to instill confidence?
If the coach had no confidence he wouldn't have been listed
Huh? You sure you read my post correctly?
Do we have a media blackout? Probably not a bad thing.
Do we have a media blackout? Probably not a bad thing.
Kouta's quotes, or misquotes, are doing enough damage for everybody!
Maybe I am wrong, but I have never generally found it beneficial to imply my opposition is chicken just before I play them!
Perhaps Kouta is not so happy about Ratt's demise either, that could explain it!
It actually does feel the season starts this week for me, and a lot of others. Monumental stuff up by the AFL that should be never allowed to happen again. Anywho barring in any unforeseen changes due to injury I would go with
In: Buckley, White
Out: Walker, McInnes
I can see McInnes having a Marcus Davies moment or two and prefer White for this game.
I also prefer Rowe or Caboult backing up Kreuzer, but I think Mick will persist with Kreuzer backing up Warnock for a few more games.
Watch this: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-25/in-the-moment-rich-v-carl-elim-final.workstation
Some absolutely embarrassing comments from Cotchin & Jackson especially.
Watch this: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-25/in-the-moment-rich-v-carl-elim-final.workstation
Some absolutely embarrassing comments from Cotchin & Jackson especially.
Interesting that we were accused of being 'front runners'... used to be but I actually thought that last year we were often slow to get going and often ended up playing catch up.
Watch this: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-25/in-the-moment-rich-v-carl-elim-final.workstation
Some absolutely embarrassing comments from Cotchin & Jackson especially.
Interesting that we were accused of being 'front runners'... used to be but I actually thought that last year we were often slow to get going and often ended up playing catch up.
Front runners as in front of the ball.
Jackson has done alright against us, AFL players are not wordsmiths and Kouta has proven that.
I suspect Jackson was implying we are soft, he seems to go harder against us than most others which sort of backs up that this may be his belief.
As long as we go in not EXPECTING them to do it again ::)
We have to come to play, ala 1st qtr against Port, but do it for four qtrs.
Watch this: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-25/in-the-moment-rich-v-carl-elim-final.workstation
Some absolutely embarrassing comments from Cotchin & Jackson especially.
Interesting that we were accused of being 'front runners'... used to be but I actually thought that last year we were often slow to get going and often ended up playing catch up.
Front runners as in front of the ball.
As in downhill skiers as in all is fine and dandy until the heat really comes on.
Did Rowe and White play on the weekend just been for the N.Blues?
If so, how'd they go?
When was the last time we played 4q,we are not good or fit enough to do this.As for white or macca more of the same pace wise.
Watch this: http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-25/in-the-moment-rich-v-carl-elim-final.workstation
Some absolutely embarrassing comments from Cotchin & Jackson especially.
Interesting that we were accused of being 'front runners'... used to be but I actually thought that last year we were often slow to get going and often ended up playing catch up.
Front runners as in front of the ball.
As in downhill skiers as in all is fine and dandy until the heat really comes on.
Pretty accurate assessment although Im with Baggers, I think that we shook that label a little last season, and in some ways the Port Adelaide game reflected that a little. The previous Carlton team wouldnt have put the noses back in front in the third quarter, and just would have fallen away at quarter time.
Bit of a nothing positive really, but a positive nonetheless, and its what got us the win in that elimination final. The funny thing is, that Richmond seem to parody that to some degree.
Scotland surely has to come in for Walker.....
If McInnes is named, I will seriously spew-up....
Laidler>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McInnes.
Juddy is so close, could he be the sub this week, bring him on half way through the third quarter and let him go for it. ( I know you run the risk that he might be used in the first five minutes!)
What happens if we get an injury 5 minutes into the 1st qtr, Juddy comes on but then can't run out the game.
IMO even the sub has to be 100% fit, it should never be used to bring back an injured player early.
Laidler>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McInnes.
Yep and also in regards to our current list: White>>>>>>>>>>McInnes
Laidler>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McInnes.
Yep and also in regards to our current list: White>>>>>>>>>>McInnes
I'd be more along the lines of White>McInnes personally, I don't rate either.
I'd be more along the lines of White>McInnes personally, I don't rate either.
I think Laidler and McInnes are directly comparable, White is a different type of player.
Juddy is so close, could he be the sub this week, bring him on half way through the third quarter and let him go for it. ( I know you run the risk that he might be used in the first five minutes!)
What happens if we get an injury 5 minutes into the 1st qtr, Juddy comes on but then can't run out the game.
IMO even the sub has to be 100% fit, it should never be used to bring back an injured player early.
Juddy another 3-4 weeks away according to the Club. Thats CFC code for see ya in Rnd 15 Juddy.
Juddy another 3-4 weeks away according to the Club. Thats CFC code for see ya in Rnd 15 Juddy.
That's OK, he is the only bloke on our list that can plays finals without playing a single round!
I'd be more along the lines of White>McInnes personally, I don't rate either.
I think Laidler and McInnes are directly comparable, White is a different type of player.
Läidler (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
Läidler (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
McInnes (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
Läidler (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
McInnes (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
Pay that!! :))
Läidler (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
McInnes (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
Virtually unrecognisable. Has gone from being a genuine star on the rise to a real liability unfortunately.
When are the teams announced?? For a Thursday night game, shouldn't they be tonight?
Läidler (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
McInnes (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
Noice! ;)
When are the teams announced?? For a Thursday night game, shouldn't they be tonight?
http://dreamteamtalk.com/2011/12/07/channel-7-to-announce-afl-teams-at-620pm-in-2012/ (http://dreamteamtalk.com/2011/12/07/channel-7-to-announce-afl-teams-at-620pm-in-2012/)
I don't know if it's still the case but I expect if this article is still relevant we won't know the team until 6.20 Thursday night.
In an exclusive deal between the AFL and Channel 7, the Thursday night teams will be broadcast in the Seven News sports bulletin at approximately 6:20pm. Clubs cannot announce any changes, debutants or any selection information until 6:15pm.
While this isn’t a huge issue for Dream Team, it will be on the rounds where there is a Thursday night game. Rounds 1, 2 and 12 there are Thursday fixtures which will make team selection interesting. In both of these cases we will have a partial lockout. So we’ll know teams approximately an hour before the initial lockout.
Läidler (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
McInnes (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
x 2....absolutely correct.
Laidler>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McInnes.
Yep and also in regards to our current list: White>>>>>>>>>>McInnes
Casboult > McInnes. Henderson, Jamison and Watson back. Casboult, Waite and Kreuzer forward.
Läidler (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
McInnes (pre-knee) was much better than McInnes.
It can take two full seasons to get over a knee, mentally as well as physically.
Got a text that Kreuzer is in doubt.
That's a good thing!
Got a text that Kreuzer is in doubt.
Injury or omission?
If injured, it's becoming a worrying sign :(
Got a text that Kreuzer is in doubt.
Injury or omission?
If injured, it's becoming a worrying sign :(
Could be he's being dropped and the club doesn't want to say that?
Could be like Yarran, injured but still plays in the reserves.
Got a text that Kreuzer is in doubt.
If Casboult comes in we are more balanced!!!
Could be like Yarran, injured but still plays in the reserves.
Hmm, only person I can recall doing that was Ratten. (turf toe)
MM says MK plays. Lets see if he's playing shenanigans.
Kane Lucas!!!! April fools day is early!!!
Out: McInnes. Walker
In Lucas, White
I'd rather see Buckley get a look in, or Graham, or Cripps or any one of another half dozen!!!
No 'on ball rotations' on the bench with White, Menzel, Kreuser and Lucas (probably sub)
Krooz must still be doubtful
Bloody Lucas, he must have threatened MM with those photos again.
Bloody hell, we were screaming for the players to play for the jumper last week and then they go and pick a guy who jumps at his own shadow. Surely MM is taking this piss.
Graham or Cripps should get a run, we all know what Soft Sugar is all about but we haven't seen Cripps on the big stage.
Not happy Jann!
Happy to see Lucas get another chance but blokes like Buckley and Cripps need to get some game time soon. Menzel better not be in the green vest again that's for sure!
Alex Rance omitted from the Tigers side? This is a bluff for sure someone else will come out.
Alex Rance omitted from the Tigers side? This is a bluff for sure someone else will come out.
Footy injury, apparently. Kreuzer looking like a late withdrawal with Rowe named EMG to take his spot.
What the hell does Graham have to do to get a game?
Play Lucas on King now that would be funny .King would be shi...ing himself at that matchup
Play Lucas on King now that would be funny .King would be shi...ing himself at that matchup
Stop it, stop it... it hurts ;D
Would love to see Robbo and King go head to head. >:D
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2014-afl-round-two-teams-20140326-35inv.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2014-afl-round-two-teams-20140326-35inv.html)
Who recently named Rance as one of the up and coming guns of the comp? :o
RICHMOND v CARLTON
MCG, 7.45pm AEDT, MCG
RICHMOND
B: Troy Chaplin, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Steven Morris
C: Shaun Grigg, Brett Deledio, Brandon Ellis
HF: Ricky Petterd, Dustin Martin, Jake King
F: Shane Edwards, Jack Riewoldt, Ty Vickery
FOLL: Shaun Hampson, Matt Thomas, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Foley, Reece Conca, Ben Griffiths, Chris Newman
EMG: Aaron Edwards, Matt McDonough, Sam Lloyd
IN: Dylan Grimes, Jake King
OUT: Matt McDonough (omitted), Alex Rance (omitted)
CARLTON
B: Matthew Watson, Michael Jamison, Andrejs Everitt
HB: Chris Yarran, Zach Tuohy, Kade Simpson
C: Ed Curnow, Brock McLean, Bryce Gibbs
HF: Tom Bell, Lachie Henderson, Jeff Garlett
F: David Ellard, Jarrad Waite, Mitch Robinson
FOLL: Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Dale Thomas
I/C: Matthew Kreuzer, Kane Lucas, Troy Menzel, Simon White
Emg: Dylan Buckley, Sam Rowe, Jaryd Cachia
In: Kane Lucas, Simon White
Out: Andrew Walker (Suspension), Andrew McInnes (omitted)
Alex Rance omitted from the Tigers side? This is a bluff for sure someone else will come out.
Footy injury, apparently. Kreuzer looking like a late withdrawal with Rowe named EMG to take his spot.
What the hell does Graham have to do to get a game?
Quit social media and get a fudging haircut
OK Blues, let's see you get the job done and repay some of the faith!
The White for McInnes swap was a no-brainer. I didn't see the Lucas inclusion coming though.....
Alex Rance omitted from the Tigers side? This is a bluff for sure someone else will come out.
Footy injury, apparently. Kreuzer looking like a late withdrawal with Rowe named EMG to take his spot.
What the hell does Graham have to do to get a game?
Quit social media and get a fudging haircut
Could come out with a wig made of turds for all I care. I think he deserves a shot more than Lucas.
Lucas and White are fair ins.......McInnes was woeful and White while not being the most skilled player will at least get body on opposing players and make a contest, Mick likes players who contest, tackle well and White does that unlike McInnes last game who let Robbie Gray slip away with a soft tackle and kick an easy goal.
Lucas should have played last week given we needed some extra run vs a very pacy Port team who had Broadbent come on and really expose us for run and I am hoping Lucas can do that role for us in the latter part of the game and maybe kick a few goals.
Tigers have gone big with Reiwoldt, Vickery, Griffiths and Pettard up forward, thats a lot of marking power but also could prove very top heavy if the conditions dont suit and the ball is on the deck. Ports tall forwards smashed us last week so I am sure Mick would have learned something and be prepared for a Tiger copycat approach.
Big question is Henderson forward or back?.....do we leave him back for the 1st half to weather the Tiger storm and then push him forward in the second half to over run them?
Like to see Yarran on Jake King and run the little wannabe bikie badboy off his legs and really punish the Tigers for not having the courage to cut the little hood off their list.
If Kruezer doesnt play and Rowe does it will probably hurt us but I am hopeful after last weeks poor effort we can lift and show some pride...Tigers will start favourites especially with Judd not playing.
Blues by 5 points with Yarran kicking the winning goal...
Like to see Yarran on Jake King and run the little wannabe bikie badboy off his legs and really punish the Tigers for not having the courage to cut the little hood off their list.
If Kruezer doesnt play and Rowe does it will probably hurt us but I am hopeful after last weeks poor effort we can lift and show some pride...Tigers will start favourites especially with Judd not playing.
So let me start by saying I think King is a little flog.
But what I will say is that the little flog has more heart and fitness in his toenails than Yarran has in his hole body, so one thing you won't see (should they match up) is Yarran run King off his feet. If anything, Yazz's tongue will be hanging out of his mouth.
Jake can be a pain so me needs to be watched by someone who can take him out of the equation. He does tend to go missing at times, but when he is switched on he can cause trouble.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2014-afl-round-two-teams-20140326-35inv.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2014-afl-round-two-teams-20140326-35inv.html)
Who recently named Rance as one of the up and coming guns of the comp? :o
RICHMOND v CARLTON
MCG, 7.45pm AEDT, MCG
RICHMOND
B: Troy Chaplin, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Steven Morris
C: Shaun Grigg, Brett Deledio, Brandon Ellis
HF: Ricky Petterd, Dustin Martin, Jake King
F: Shane Edwards, Jack Riewoldt, Ty Vickery
FOLL: Shaun Hampson, Matt Thomas, Trent Cotchin
I/C: Nathan Foley, Reece Conca, Ben Griffiths, Chris Newman
EMG: Aaron Edwards, Matt McDonough, Sam Lloyd
IN: Dylan Grimes, Jake King
OUT: Matt McDonough (omitted), Alex Rance (omitted)
CARLTON
B: Matthew Watson, Michael Jamison, Andrejs Everitt
HB: Chris Yarran, Zach Tuohy, Kade Simpson
C: Ed Curnow, Brock McLean, Bryce Gibbs
HF: Tom Bell, Lachie Henderson, Jeff Garlett
F: David Ellard, Jarrad Waite, Mitch Robinson
FOLL: Robert Warnock, Marc Murphy, Dale Thomas
I/C: Matthew Kreuzer, Kane Lucas, Troy Menzel, Simon White
Emg: Dylan Buckley, Sam Rowe, Jaryd Cachia
In: Kane Lucas, Simon White
Out: Andrew Walker (Suspension), Andrew McInnes (omitted)
I wouldn't have picked Lucas. His form at Northern has not been outstanding and he is not well known for liking wet tracks.
White for McInnes makes some sense. McInnes' form has been ordinary so far and his pace (or lack of it) has been an issue. White has a little more pace and he can take a spectacular mark, something McInnes hasn't done recently. However, I would not play White on Vickery or Riewoldt, both who have had his measure in recent times.
I am a bit surprised they dropped Rance, even though he was ordinary last week. He has had a good record on our 'forwards'. Well, we'll see if that was a good move. It isn't like our forwards have done much recently. Apart from a couple of great marks last week, Waite has done nothing.
I hope we have done our homework on their midfield. The last 3 times we've played, their mids have done pretty well for large sections of the game. We've come back through Judd. He isn't there this time.
I thought McLean was fairly ordinary against Port, so disappointed not to see Nick Graham. Casboult was another that I was hoping to see at the expense of Watson, but it seems Henderson is now pencilled in as a forward. Here's hoping that Robinson looks where he is kicking, McLean kicks it to the team in Blue, Bell runs both ways, Garrlett gets more than 2 kicks, Watson understands that he doesn't have all day and one of our highly rated Ruckmen takes a mark!
Hopeful, but not confident.
Glad to see White in, as 3rd tall down back provides good cover as he can play a little taller at times and has a bit more strength and tackles better.
Lucas as sub most likely and hopefully provides some run when he comes on.
Spider J to start forward alongside Hendo and Waite like last week for me, it went well until Port had Westhoff loose and got themselves back in the game. Try and stretch them as there backmen are suspect under real heat, maintaining the option of sending Hendo or Spider J back if needed.
Like to see Yarran on Jake King and run the little wannabe bikie badboy off his legs and really punish the Tigers for not having the courage to cut the little hood off their list.
If Kruezer doesnt play and Rowe does it will probably hurt us but I am hopeful after last weeks poor effort we can lift and show some pride...Tigers will start favourites especially with Judd not playing.
So let me start by saying I think King is a little flog.
But what I will say is that the little flog has more heart and fitness in his toenails than Yarran has in his hole body, so one thing you won't see (should they match up) is Yarran run King off his feet. If anything, Yazz's tongue will be hanging out of his mouth.
Reckon Yarran would glide past King like he was a statue...our man has run off quicker players than King and while the little hood does have a go he isnt good enough to carry Yarrans bags into the stadium in terms of skill. If Yarran is switched on he is a matchwinner and we need that switch turned on as we lack players who can turn games especially with Judd missing.
Yarran has to start earning his money and if was coaching he would be on King and told to burn off him off at every opportunity...
Blues by 5 points with Yarran kicking the winning goal...
Would be so sweet! :))
Reckon Yarran would glide past King like he was a statue...our man has run off quicker players than King and while the little hood does have a go he isnt good enough to carry Yarrans bags into the stadium in terms of skill. If Yarran is switched on he is a matchwinner and we need that switch turned on as we lack players who can turn games especially with Judd missing.
Yarran has to start earning his money and if was coaching he would be on King and told to burn off him off at every opportunity...
Amen to that! On fire ATM Elwood.
Clearly the Match Committee has a different view of Lucas than most CSCers. Hopefully, they're right and we're wrong.
Lucas was an early draft pick so I can understand that the club wants him to be a success. However, if he doesn't do something this year he'll be gone IMO. I hope he makes it btw.
Clearly the Match Committee has a different view of Lucas than most CSCers. Hopefully, they're right and we're wrong.
History is not on their side but here's hoping this is an exception.
Lucas is being treated a senior player now and not a newbie kid on the block and he will be for trade/delist at years end if he doesnt fire up and I'm all for playing him now when the heat is on and the seasons alive....I dont want him playing some decent games at the end of the season if we miss finals and there is nothing to play for and we are playing equally lowly teams and there is no pressure on....and then he gets a new contract based on good form in junktime games.
This is an important game, the Tigers are not a hard unit like the Hawks, Swans, Dockers and there is no excuses for him to go missing...win lose or draw I would play him against the Bombers as well and test him further...
If he doesnt fire up in the 1st half of the season then he is gone and I wouldnt given him any more senior games and would turn to kids like Holman, Cripps, Graham etc...
Lucas is being treated a senior player now and not a newbie kid on the block and he will be for trade/delist at years end if he doesnt fire up and I'm all for playing him now when the heat is on and the seasons alive....I dont want him playing some decent games at the end of the season if we miss finals and there is nothing to play for and we are playing equally lowly teams and there is no pressure on....and then he gets a new contract based on good form in junktime games.
This is an important game, the Tigers are not a hard unit like the Hawks, Swans, Dockers and there is no excuses for him to go missing...win lose or draw I would play him against the Bombers as well and test him further...
If he doesnt fire up in the 1st half of the season then he is gone and I wouldnt given him any more senior games and would turn to kids like Holman, Cripps, Graham etc...
Elwood that is a pretty good assessment of Lucas and what should happen.
Maybe rather than a game or two, he needs a guaranteed 4 to 6 game trot where he won't be subbed so he's not playing like he's looking over his shoulder but to do that we need to accept we are rebuilding and that isn't happening. It would be nice for Menzel to follow suit.
Maybe rather than a game or two, he needs a guaranteed 4 to 6 game trot where he won't be subbed so he's not playing like he's looking over his shoulder but to do that we need to accept we are rebuilding and that isn't happening. It would be nice for Menzel to follow suit.
I agree he should get those extra games but that would border on trying to develop Lucas which would be a new concept at Carlton.....the one week in /play badly then get dropped for 10 weeks is our usual method of development... ;)
Lucas is being treated a senior player now and not a newbie kid on the block and he will be for trade/delist at years end if he doesnt fire up and I'm all for playing him now when the heat is on and the seasons alive....I dont want him playing some decent games at the end of the season if we miss finals and there is nothing to play for and we are playing equally lowly teams and there is no pressure on....and then he gets a new contract based on good form in junktime games.
This is an important game, the Tigers are not a hard unit like the Hawks, Swans, Dockers and there is no excuses for him to go missing...win lose or draw I would play him against the Bombers as well and test him further...
If he doesnt fire up in the 1st half of the season then he is gone and I wouldnt given him any more senior games and would turn to kids like Holman, Cripps, Graham etc...
I've seen enough of Lucas, to the point that I would have selected Cripps, Graham or Holman ahead of him. Not writing the kid off but in all fairness he has had his opportunity and it is time for others to receive theirs. If Lucas goes back to the NB's and burns it up then of course I'll back him to return for another crack. We all know his flaws and It's doubtful that a pre season has addressed them to the extent that he now demands selection in the starting 22.
Maybe rather than a game or two, he needs a guaranteed 4 to 6 game trot where he won't be subbed so he's not playing like he's looking over his shoulder but to do that we need to accept we are rebuilding and that isn't happening. It would be nice for Menzel to follow suit.
I agree he should get those extra games but that would border on trying to develop Lucas which would be a new concept at Carlton.....the one week in /play badly then get dropped for 10 weeks is our usual method of development... ;)
So true. How many of our young players look tentative? They're nervous about getting dropped so they play conservative football.
Lucas is being treated a senior player now and not a newbie kid on the block and he will be for trade/delist at years end if he doesnt fire up and I'm all for playing him now when the heat is on and the seasons alive....I dont want him playing some decent games at the end of the season if we miss finals and there is nothing to play for and we are playing equally lowly teams and there is no pressure on....and then he gets a new contract based on good form in junktime games.
This is an important game, the Tigers are not a hard unit like the Hawks, Swans, Dockers and there is no excuses for him to go missing...win lose or draw I would play him against the Bombers as well and test him further...
If he doesnt fire up in the 1st half of the season then he is gone and I wouldnt given him any more senior games and would turn to kids like Holman, Cripps, Graham etc...
Elwood that is a pretty good assessment of Lucas and what should happen.
x2 spot on elwood.
Happy enough with those changes.
A fit White is good for out team. Reckon he's handy back and forward as is Everitt and Walker when back in. Henderson too so we get some more flexibility here.
If Watson struggles Rowe will be itching for a gig, same for Warnock and MK for Casboult.
Don't agree with White personally but do we have anyone else?
Happy enough with those changes.
A fit White is good for out team. Reckon he's handy back and forward as is Everitt and Walker when back in. Henderson too so we get some more flexibility here.
If Watson struggles Rowe will be itching for a gig, same for Warnock and MK for Casboult.
I agree about White, he is a flexible player and that frees up others like Walker to spend some time up forward.
Yep, happy with those changes, though Graham must have been close along with Scotland.
Agree totally with EB1 that this is Lucas' last roll of the dice.
White will bring some hardness to the backline and probably free up an Everitt to do more damage up forward (I prefer him as a forward to defender).
Selctions reek a little of a coach looking to put results on the board with safe selections rather than blooding the kids.
Selctions reek a little of a coach looking to put results on the board with safe selections rather than blooding the kids.
The club wont rebuild with kids after one game.....Mick wont admit rebuild or failure this early in the season, he will want 4 points vs Richmond and probably settle for a reasonable performance loss vs Essendon who are usually red hot early in the season.
I expect some spin about underdone players/fitness issues/rotations and the AFL being at fault with scheduling etc....
Selctions reek a little of a coach looking to put results on the board with safe selections rather than blooding the kids.
The club wont rebuild with kids after one game.....Mick wont admit rebuild or failure this early in the season, he will want 4 points vs Richmond and probably settle for a reasonable performance loss vs Essendon who are usually red hot early in the season.
I expect some spin about underdone players/fitness issues/rotations and the AFL being at fault with scheduling etc....
The White Selection i like. I still think he has a bit to offer and our backline was shambles last game.
But surely the form of Graham, Cripps, Scotland and Buckley warrant selection over Lucas, Robinson and co.
Guys I really don't think robbo is going anywhere. If other players lift their game and don't leave all the hard stuff to him he too may be able to receive the ball under less pressure and deliver. All his disposals are under pressure because he's one of the few winning the hard ball. IMO.
PI2C I'm not a Robbo fan because of the way he butchers the ball, but never looked at it that way. Still if his job is to extract and clear then he should be able to it better. But happy to give him a little longer.
No doubt he lacks in class but he is ALWAYS at the coalface, it's not like he's getting the ball in the clear and turning it over, he is always under pressure. I think he needs to improve his awareness a little because he tends to rush his kicks when he has more time, a by product of always being under pressure IMO.
Haha Robbo. If Champions Data had a stat for Rainmakers, he would be leading the pack by a country mile. Still though, we know he has no skill but his attack on the ball borders on madness.
Haha Robbo. If Champions Data had a stat for Rainmakers, he would be leading the pack by a country mile. Still though, we know he has no skill but his attack on the ball borders on madness.
Baggy Trousers seems to be a fit!
I'd like to see Cripps get a crack but Lucas is OK, his skills aren't silky but he knows how to get the ball.
I'm not a fan of White, he cracks under pressure, he and Watson in the same back six gives me the heeby jeebys but McInness was shocking so someone had to get the gig I guess.
Richmond will need to put in a bad one for us to get over the line I reckon.
Haha Robbo. If Champions Data had a stat for Rainmakers, he would be leading the pack by a country mile. Still though, we know he has no skill but his attack on the ball borders on madness.
Baggy Trousers seems to be a fit!
Ah yes, those naughty boys in nasty schools...
SpecialK and Watson late outs according to the The Age.
Buckley and Rowe in.
Just confirmed on the radiola.
Menzel to start this week, with Buckely the sub
Henderson, Jamison and White should be the key talls.
Waite & Everitt the tall forwards... I hope!
SpecialK and Watson late outs according to the The Age.
Buckley and Rowe in.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/matthew-kreuzer-matthew-watson-late-withdrawals-for-carltons-match-against-richmond-20140327-zqnop.html
Reported in the Age.
Rowe to play on Vickery, Jamo on Jack, leaving Hendo & Waite up fwd with White to float between Back & fwd.
SpecialK and Watson late outs according to the The Age.
Buckley and Rowe in.
pfft Kruezer late out.. why do we continue with this charade. Not a man alive thought he was going to play.
10 day break and struggled with foot recovery. Problem child.
SpecialK and Watson late outs according to the The Age.
Buckley and Rowe in.
pfft Kruezer late out.. why do we continue with this charade. Not a man alive thought he was going to play.
We're sneaky, tricksy little hobbits aren't we? ;D
SpecialK and Watson late outs according to the The Age.
Buckley and Rowe in.
pfft Kruezer late out.. why do we continue with this charade. Not a man alive thought he was going to play.
We're sneaky, tricksy little hobbits aren't we? ;D
Such an endearing club we are.
Like the late changes, we're gonna run all over them. Blues by 32 points.
I forking hope so!
Murphy with 28 touches, 9 tackles and 3 goals.
Lucas sub, Bucks starting on the ground, Believe it or not 8)
Its worth pointing out to our non-melbournians that it absolutely pissed down with rain at 4pm today, and although that shower didn't last long it dumped a lot of water. It was also raining for a lot of the morning as well.
I suspect the omission of the 2 big boys is at least partly due to the weather.
10 day break and struggled with foot recovery. Problem child.
played 1 game in a row, was due for a rest!!
Like the late changes, we're gonna run all over them. Blues by 32 points.
Dont share your optimism
Rance holds that back line together. I think Waite will dominate up one end and Reiwolt the other. Whoever kicks straighter will win.
Lucas sub, Bucks starting on the ground, Believe it or not 8)
Not bad as Lucas goes well early then fades. Big him in for impact just don't wait until 15mins into the last Mick ::)