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I'll agree to disagree DJ.....IMO the next captain will be out of our two best players which are Docherty and Cripps, along with Murphy they are the two most marketed players and
who the club hierarchy would want as skipper....IMO.

From Big Nick, Jezza, through to Fitzpatrick, Sticks, Kouta, Judd its been a big name player who gets the job for any decent period of time.......

Even at Hawthorn where Bolton learned his trade it was Mitchell briefly before handing over to another big name in Hodge, Richie Vandenberg filled in for 2-3 years when another star in Crawford retired but he was clearly a fill in and handpicked by Clarkson. I'd be very surprised if Bolton doesnt have a large say in who gets the job...
I just cant see us with a Nick Maxwell, Tom Harley..a Mr Average player type who is a factional/club neutral player with some media nous...
If we did go that way it would be a short term appointment only IMO until one of the more prominent players was ready....

From Big Nick, Jezza, through to Fitzpatrick, Sticks, Kouta, Judd its been a big name player who gets the job for any decent period of time.......

I don't actually think players are best placed to understand what a great leader is. The club need to identify and as in most fields it is likely often not going to be the best player.
It is going to be the person prepared to sacrifice for the team, the player prepared to be unpopular with peers if there is a need to be unpopular and pull people into line.
A PERFECT example to me of a really great captain was Roy Keane at Manchester United. Now he was a prick of a bloke, but he would not for one second hesitate in settings his demands even with the marquee players at the club and they wouldn't dare fall out of line.
Rio Ferdinand once told how at training he passed the ball back to Gary Neville a teammate in the training drill when Roy Keane had a go and informed him he was at Manchester United now, not Leeds or West Ham and expectations were different. Now Rio Ferdinand had just signed on as the most expensive transfer for a defender in the world at that stage, but that didn't stop Keane letting him know if he wasn't meeting expectations.

Now you don't need to be a prick at all to be a good leader, in fact once you have the trust of the team that you are pulling them up for the good of the team, you can have them back a player to the hilts, but you must always be ready to support the wins, but every bit as importantly.. call out the failures.

From the outside I think Curnow would do that.. I for sure think Doc would do that.
I am not 100% sure Murphy does that.. He might.. I am not in there, but I am not 100% sure he does.

After undertaking an extensive process involving coaches, players and key leaders at the Club, the new-look three-player leadership group has been established in the second AFLW pre-season campaign.

I suspect that they are slightly better placed than we are 

Well yes I agree that they would know more about who has the better temperament for captaining the club than we do, but whether they have more of an idea of what is required of a leader, that is another story.

The problem with players picking a leader, is they are very likely to pick based on 3 things... football ability,  how good a bloke they are & maturity/seniority Why wouldn't they? They are a bunch of young guys who would never have been in a position to understand leadership responsibilities to any high level, why would they really pick based on anything else?

I am not suggesting anyone on the forum really has anywhere near the insight into the individuals to be able to select a captain based on anything more than a 'gut feel', which simply isn't enough. I wasn't saying forum members should pick the captain, I was only suggesting players shouldn't.

The requirements of leaders is similar across all fields, sports, business, military the works. And all of those entities look to similar organsations/courses/teachings to help build leadership skills within their ranks. The specifics are so obviously different, but many of he core human requirements are the same

Are the playing group as a whole capable of picking the best captain or would some vote instead for the most popular player, would a 1st year, 2 year player have the information base to make that decision?

Both are probably on the right track where MIO and DJC are making fair points that need to be considered, and this is why the club would have "captains elect" for the role, where they choose the proposed candidates and then allow the group to choose from the candidates proposed who meet certain criteria of XYZ for leadership roles, knowing that they cannot fork up that selection as the best candidates are the only ones proposed.

I think where DJC and MIO are on different wavelengths is to do with interpretation.

MIO (quite rightly) is stating, that the players are not the best people (usually) to appoint a club captain based on outside perceptions of how things run (i.e. someone like Fevola can become a club captain if the players cast deciding votes) and I agree that blokes just finding their feet in a new team are likely to be ill equipped to be in a position to select the best captain unless they have a good understanding of how the role works.

DJC is stating that the boys understand their expectations much better these days and are better equipped than the average player to understand the role of captain, whats required and would then make a better selection than MIO thinks they will.

Both are probably on the right track where MIO and DJC are making fair points that need to be considered, and this is why the club would have "captains elect" for the role, where they choose the proposed candidates and then allow the group to choose from the candidates proposed who meet certain criteria of XYZ for leadership roles, knowing that they cannot fork up that selection as the best candidates are the only ones proposed.

The coach ultimately decides who should be captain as he is the one that mirrors what the coach wants/expects from the game.

Perfect example was Nick Maxwell. Nobody would have picked him, be that players, media or supporters, but it made sense....and worked.

The coach ultimately decides who should be captain as he is the one that mirrors what the coach wants/expects from the game.

Perfect example was Nick Maxwell. Nobody would have picked him, be that players, media or supporters, but it made sense....and worked.