Not looking good with Saad, McGovern and Cerra missing with hamstring injuries.
Honestly, GWS should pound us: they're playing well and we're not.
In Young Cincotta Cowan
Out McGovern Saad Pittonet
Young for Gov, Cincotta for Saad, Cowan the Sub
Will be interesting to see what the match committee does here.
Two rucks takes out alot of run in transition and puts our defence under a ridiculous amount of pressure.
Out: Saad, Gov, Pitto, Carroll, Fantasia
In: Young, Marchy, Cincotta, Fogs, Binns,
Will be interesting to see what the match committee does here.
Two rucks takes out alot of run in transition and puts our defence under a ridiculous amount of pressure.
Out: Saad, Gov, Pitto, Carroll, Fantasia
In: Young, Marchy, Cincotta, Fogs, Binns,
Fog has a broken wrist and won't play. Marchy needs to come through the 2s IMO, was awful the last two games he played before being concussed.
Fog has a broken wrist and won't play. Marchy needs to come through the 2s IMO, was awful the last two games he played before being concussed.
Marchy absolutely does - VFL game today at 2pm. I suspect he will play along with Cincotta, Young, Binns,
Surely we need to give Binns a game?
I think we pick a side this week based on who is left.
Taking out injured players who not up to standard players eliminates a large chunk of players - 16
Silvagni
Docherty
Cerra
McGovern
Saad
Fogarty
Motlop
Cuningham
Martin
M. Carroll
Mirkov
Akeiu
Monaghan
Marchbank (?)
Lemmey
O'keefe
That leaves a team looking like this....
FB - Newman - Weitering - Boyd
HB - Williams - Kemp - Cincotta
W - O.Hollands - Cripps - Acres
HF - Cottrell - Curnow - Fantasia
FF - Owies - McKay - C. Durdin
R - De Koning - Walsh - Hewett
INT - Kennedy - E. Hollands - J. Carroll
....and pick 1 more interchange and 1 sub from the remaining players....
Pittonet - Best player not picked, but don't need 2 rucks.
S. Durdin - Probably need a key back, but is he good enough
Young - See Durdin above.
Cowan - Could swap instead of Cincotta who i've brought into the team, but i wouldn't. Could play last spot on the bench, but i wouldn't.
Moir - He may be injured too??
Wilson - untried, but fit
Binns - Untried, but fit.
Thats it.
Thats what we've got to choose from.
Ins Binns, Cincotta, Young.
Outs...Saad, McGovern, Pittonet
Sub O Hollands.
Id have Young in for some KP backline flexibility...Hogan and Riccardi are no mugs and Kemp will be undersized.
Newman to play on Greene, think he did the job last time....Williams wont be strong enough in the air or in the body and Id be using him in the Saad role where he can run the ball.
Id be starting Cottrell on Whitfield...
GWS will have Callan Ward back in the team to replace Coniglio after he played a blinder in his comeback game in the VFL and Id expect Haynes to replace the concussed Taylor so they are decent ins to compensate for their injuries.
Tough game but at home its the test we need to see where we are and one we should be looking forward too...reckon Charlie and Harry will be the difference with Weitering doing the job on Hogan after having a hard time with Tex Walker.
Young looks good against the Filth VFL types, like he's the obvious choice but it's pretty bruise free.
Moir and Binns are running machines, Moir surprises me how well he gets around the ground but not getting much footy.
Even in VFL we look a bit slow, but some of it is hesitation, smaller bodies not be committed.
Surprised no one has mentioned three Hamstring Strains in THREE days.......
WTF O0
Surprised no one has mentioned three Hamstring Strains in THREE days.......
WTF O0
I have a couple of times, its a concern for sure.
Calls for Binns to come in astound me. I have been watching the VFL since the 15min of the 3rd and he hasn't laid a glove on the footy.
Calls for Binns to come in astound me. I have been watching the VFL since the 15min of the 3rd and he hasn't laid a glove on the footy.
Just got his first disposal since.
Calls for Binns to come in astound me. I have been watching the VFL since the 15min of the 3rd and he hasn't laid a glove on the footy.
His first half was excellent. Only had 2 disposals in the 3rd quarter. 15 up to half time and one of our best.
His first half was excellent. Only had 2 disposals in the 3rd quarter. 15 up to half time and one of our best.
Lets see how he goes over 14 qtrs.
3 goals in quick succession to the Pies 64-80, got one back 70-80.
Surprised no one has mentioned three Hamstring Strains in THREE days.......
WTF O0
we are up to 4 now.
Cerra, saad, mcgovern and today mohr
we are up to 4 now.
Cerra, saad, mcgovern and today mohr
I wonder if hamstring injuries have increased in the AFL in general in 2024?
Not an opponent you want to encounter unless you are close to a full list. Our recent injuries could be what ends up being a poor loss against the Giants. Probably the most improved side in the last couple of seasons. I will be happy if we get away with a loss of under 4 goals.
Surely we need to give Binns a game?
Only if he earns one by forcing his way into the team. Having said that, I thought he was better in attacking the contested ball in today's match than I have seen previously - even if he did go missing for a significant part of the second half.
Binns is a funny one.
In the VFL games I've watched...
He racks up possessions, but he does so in a manner that is often barely noticeable.
I'm often surprised when I look up the stats and seen he's had the ball so often.
Do those possessions equate to influence and impact on games?
Part of that could be the nature of the commentary of VFL matches where players aren't always identified, and cameras don't pan in or follow the play to the same extent that they do with multi camera angles in AFL games.
Carlton 1.85
GWS 2.00
Binns running power is outstanding he is perfect runner for transition play like Cottrell.
He finds plenty of the ball through pure work rate. But what impresses me more is that work rate he also adds tackles and clearances to his game. 25 touches, 4 tackles 3 clearances from the young fella is fantastic for a wingman.
Only at Carlton. Better off now than later in the year.....
Binns running power is outstanding he is perfect runner for transition play like Cottrell.
He finds plenty of the ball through pure work rate. But what impresses me more is that work rate he also adds tackles and clearances to his game. 25 touches, 4 tackles 3 clearances from the young fella is fantastic for a wingman.
I've watched plenty of Binns in the past 12 months. Great runner and ball user. He didn't make VFL team of the year for nothing......
It wasn't long ago we had running machine in the 2s who's form their never translated or transferred to the 1s. All he ended up being was a whipping boy. From what I have seen of Binns, albeit limited, he is miles off and will end up another whipping boy when he goes missing. In my view, he doesnt replace Cottrell on present form IMO. He doesnt replace Acres on wing. Does he warrant a game ahead of Ollie H on a wing maybe? I dont think so but interested to hear thoughts.
I've watched plenty of Binns in the past 12 months. Great runner and ball user. He didn't make VFL team of the year for nothing......
...and at 18 y.o
Carlton 1.85
GWS 2.00
GWS copped as many injuries as we did. Haven't heard the latest update, but there was a concussion, Coniglio had a knee scare and someone else was hurt.
Binns running power is outstanding he is perfect runner for transition play like Cottrell.
He finds plenty of the ball through pure work rate. But what impresses me more is that work rate he also adds tackles and clearances to his game. 25 touches, 4 tackles 3 clearances from the young fella is fantastic for a wingman.
First of all, VFL form doesn't mean AFL form.
Plenty of great VFL players haven't made it at AFL level.
Secondly, where do you want us to play Binns?
Acres, Hollands (x2), Cottrell all play similar position and all are doing well enough in those positions so far.
So we drop a regular AFL player for a rookie because......why?
I've got nothing against Binns. Honestly, i couldn't pick him out of a crowd, i just don't understand why we are pushing for a bloke when he doesn't fill a position we need filling.
Its like if a ruck was the most in form player in the VFL and dominating all comers. Do we introduce him to the 1's when we have TDK (and now Pittonet) playing decent enough footy? No, there isn't a spot, no matter how well he might be playing.
It wasn't long ago we had running machine in the 2s who's form their never translated or transferred to the 1s. All he ended up being was a whipping boy. From what I have seen of Binns, albeit limited, he is miles off and will end up another whipping boy when he goes missing. In my view, he doesnt replace Cottrell on present form IMO. He doesnt replace Acres on wing. Does he warrant a game ahead of Ollie H on a wing maybe? I dont think so but interested to hear thoughts.
Hollands has had a couple of poor games in a row and his no name opponents have been good players for their respective clubs.
Doesnt mean Ollie should be banished never to return but I think Binns deserves a chance to see if he can do better and let ollie work on his game in the twos. Id rather Ollie stop his opponent than try and rack up possessions if he finds himself struggling.....starting Binns as the sub might ease him into senior footy.
First of all, VFL form doesn't mean AFL form.
Plenty of great VFL players haven't made it at AFL level.
Secondly, where do you want us to play Binns?
Acres, Hollands (x2), Cottrell all play similar position and all are doing well enough in those positions so far.
So we drop a regular AFL player for a rookie because......why?
I've got nothing against Binns. Honestly, i couldn't pick him out of a crowd, i just don't understand why we are pushing for a bloke when he doesn't fill a position we need filling.
Its like if a ruck was the most in form player in the VFL and dominating all comers. Do we introduce him to the 1's when we have TDK (and now Pittonet) playing decent enough footy? No, there isn't a spot, no matter how well he might be playing.
Ollie Hollands needs a spell imo.
As K pointed out, VFL good form does not automatically transfer to good AFL form. And this applies, especially, to the perplexing selection of Pitto... to replace a mid... WTF! I don't care how well Pitto played in the Magoos, his selection unsettled our side. Another sentimental selection?
Personally, I think Binnsy is close but his light body still concerns me... needs more strength in the contest. When the going got really hard and tough in the VFL Rottingwood game, especially in the second half, Binnsy went missing.
Ollie hasn't been down on form, he's been ordinary. Reality. Tries his heart out, but tackle failures and fumbles worry me. I'd definitely give him a spell in the Magoos to regain touch and work on hurting the opposition with possessions... not to mention much needed confidence.
Acres and Cotters are our best wingmen... both can run all day, defend well and then hit the scoreboard.
As K pointed out, VFL good form does not automatically transfer to good AFL form. And this applies, especially, to the perplexing selection of Pitto... to replace a mid... WTF! I don't care how well Pitto played in the Magoos, his selection unsettled our side. Another sentimental selection?
Personally, I think Binnsy is close but his light body still concerns me... needs more strength in the contest. When the going got really hard and tough in the VFL Rottingwood game, especially in the second half, Binnsy went missing.
Ollie hasn't been down on form, he's been ordinary. Reality. Tries his heart out, but tackle failures and fumbles worry me. I'd definitely give him a spell in the Magoos to regain touch and work on hurting the opposition with possessions... not to mention much needed confidence.
Acres and Cotters are our best wingmen... both can run all day, defend well and then hit the scoreboard.
I called it before the game. "There goes our team balance".....and it was obvious once the final siren went, if not before, that i was right.
Only question i have is WHY did they 'pull that reign'? If for some reason nobody else was available to be sub, then put Pittonet as the sub and hope you don't get an injury.
Really like to see what happened with Cincotta being MIA.
Really like to hear the justification for Cerra <> Pittonet.
re Hollands....
I don't think he has been as bad as some are making out.
You are correct that Cottrell and Acres can run all day.....but so can Hollands.
FWIW....
Distance covered....
Cottrell ran 15.5km in our game vs the Crows, to lead everyone else on the ground.
Hollands was second with 15.0km. 3 adelaide players manged 14km+ to round out the top 5.
Distance covered at high speed....
Hollands lead the rest of the ground with 3.7km
Crows 2+3
Acres 3.1
Cottrell 3.0
In terms of sprints from last game...
Acres was #1 with 31. O.Hollands was 3rd with 27 (adelaide 2, 4 and 5).
Work rate (average km/h in attack)....
O. Hollands was ground leader with 9.1.
Walsh 8.8
Solijo 8.6
E. Hollands 8.4
Cottrell 8.3
***5 adelaide players made up the top 5 in defence.
So 'out of form' is subjective.
One thing for certain is he is certainly trying and putting in the hard yards and that won't be replaced in a hurry
As K pointed out, VFL good form does not automatically transfer to good AFL form. And this applies, especially, to the perplexing selection of Pitto... to replace a mid... WTF! I don't care how well Pitto played in the Magoos, his selection unsettled our side. Another sentimental selection?
Personally, I think Binnsy is close but his light body still concerns me... needs more strength in the contest. When the going got really hard and tough in the VFL Rottingwood game, especially in the second half, Binnsy went missing.
Ollie hasn't been down on form, he's been ordinary. Reality. Tries his heart out, but tackle failures and fumbles worry me. I'd definitely give him a spell in the Magoos to regain touch and work on hurting the opposition with possessions... not to mention much needed confidence.
Acres and Cotters are our best wingmen... both can run all day, defend well and then hit the scoreboard.
Agree Cotters on the wing is perfect. Ollie is young and needs to improve his game but we need to blood some youngsters as well. Would like to see Ollie play in the midfield at VFL to get his hands on the ball and win some clearances.
Cunners isnt perfect but has a good goal assist and tackle game.
We have to send a strong message at the selection table that passengers need to buy some new tickets.
Having a handful of guys who are just making up the numbers is unacceptable on all levels.
We have been hit hard with injuries when we can least afford to with five very hard games coming up, it is not out of the question to go from 4-0 to 4-6 in the blink of an eye.
We have to send a strong message at the selection table that passengers need to buy some new tickets.
Having a handful of guys who are just making up the numbers is unacceptable on all levels.
We have been hit hard with injuries when we can least afford to with five very hard games coming up, it is not out of the question to go from 4-0 to 4-6 in the blink of an eye.
Last year we were cruising along with a great win to loss ratio. We then hit a combination of poor form and injuries to have too many lost games in succession. Then we had to reboot mentally and drag us back up to almost top 4 positions on the ladder. Only to be so fatigued that we could not come away with a preliminary win. We really cannot afford to lose all of our next 5 games. There is a chance it could actually happen. We need Voss to teach the players how to be mentally strong. Our hamstring injuries don’t give me faith that a weeks rest is enough to bring Cerra, Gov and Saad back into action. I don’t like our chances of winning more than one game in the next 5 weeks. One at best. Not being negative but more of a case of being realistic. Doc and Silvagni injuries almost killed our season before it really began. Two versatile players that could play in any position and play with passion and heart. Giving us cover we really needed.
Not sure what everyone else has been watching but we are not cruising along, in fact, we are actually turning it over quite regularly in situations where there is more time than we think.
Also we are not making the most of our opportunities.
I would state that we are currently not playing well, but working hard which is positive.
I think we actually need less effort and more composure.
B: Newman Young Kemp
HB: Williams Weitering Boyd
C: Cottrell Hewett Acres
HF: E. Hollands McKay Kennedy
F: Owies Curnow Moir
R: TDK Cripps Walsh
IC: Cowan Cincotta O. Hollands Durdin
E: Fantasia
B: Newman Young Kemp
HB: Williams Weitering Boyd
C: Cottrell Hewett Acres
HF: E. Hollands McKay Kennedy
F: Owies Curnow Moir
R: TDK Cripps Walsh
IC: Cowan Cincotta O. Hollands Durdin
E: Fantasia
I
B: Newman Weiters Kemp
HB: Williams TDK Boyd
C: Cottrell Hewett Acres
HF: E. Hollands McKay Kennedy
F: Owies Curnow Durdin
R: Pitto Cripps Walsh
IC: Cowan Cincotta O. Hollands Fantasia
E: Binns
I really want to see TDK play as a key back. Young and McGovern aren't that guy. Only one of Kemp and McGovern can play. We get ruck flexibility with either TDKnor Harry giving Pitto a break without losing put run.
14 players out, playing the top team which hasn't lost all season, no worries. Carlton by five goals.
Cincotta for Saad
Young and Weitering as key defenders
Kemp to play McGovern's role.
Hate to say it, but can't see how we can win this. We struggle with fast-running sides, and GWS have that in buckets.
The one glint of optimism is Harry and Charlie with no Sam Taylor. But then again, I thought they would kick big bags against Freo and Adelaide for similar reasons......
14 players out, playing the top team which hasn't lost all season, no worries. Carlton by five goals.
Cannot believe we have players who RE-INJURE hamstrings whilst trying to recover from a Hamstring..... WTF is going on with our Re-Hab.
We have our 3 frequent Flyers in the redhab group, Martin, Marcy and Cunners. Motlolp must be enjoying their company as he is trying to force his way in.
We will not win a flag with soft players who are more out than in. Its time to stick a fork in and show them the door....
The only good thing about our 14 on the injured list is that we have banked 4 wins and there is a long way to go. If we win 2 out of our next 4 it will be a miricle.
I know we are all probably sick to death of talking about it but...Daniel Hoyne from Champion Data was on SEN last night talking about the decision to play Pitto. Rattled off the amount of times we have won "turnover game" playing only TDK. Was 60% from memory compared to I think it was 25% when we played both. Also TDK played forward for 30 mins on Saturday and was targeted only once. Further to this, H doesn't get to ruck which affects his game and the team because he impacts when he plays ruck.
Hopefully the MC listen to SEN...
Hate to say it, but can't see how we can win this. We struggle with fast-running sides, and GWS have that in buckets.
The one glint of optimism is Harry and Charlie with no Sam Taylor. But then again, I thought they would kick big bags against Freo and Adelaide for similar reasons......
I too cant see how we can beat GWS but guess what, our recent history shows we dont give and we find a way.
Blues in a nail biter
Go Blues!
I know we are all probably sick to death of talking about it but...Daniel Hoyne from Champion Data was on SEN last night talking about the decision to play Pitto. Rattled off the amount of times we have won "turnover game" playing only TDK. Was 60% from memory compared to I think it was 25% when we played both. Also TDK played forward for 30 mins on Saturday and was targeted only once. Further to this, H doesn't get to ruck which affects his game and the team because he impacts when he plays ruck.
Hopefully the MC listen to SEN...
Yep its a much talked about topic but its hard to argue against that in the modern game its hard to carry two genuine rucks who are of little value elsewhere and the allrounder ruck who can play either KP or somewhere else on the ground has to be the priority and that it was odd vs a pacy team who have troubled us previously who only carry one genuine ruck themselves why Pittonet was selected. It was a MC blunder that didnt help but hindered our efforts...
I'll also add that TDK is nothing special when played forward either and I dont consider him a qualified forward and id rather rest him for 5 mins each quarter on the bench than send him forward to congest our forward line.
It will be interesting to see what the selection folk do with the rucks this week.
It will tell a bit of a story as to how committed they are to the "Two ruck solution" :D
It will be interesting to see what the selection folk do with the rucks this week.
It will tell a bit of a story as to how committed they are to the "Two ruck solution" :D
Surely not
Yep its a much talked about topic but its hard to argue against that....
Can't be that hard to argue against it. I've been arguing with 90% of the people on here about it for a couple years. :P
Surely not
It will depend on what they decide and I don't think they'll be taking advice from us ;) :D
One factor that may come into play is the number of changes they want to make.
With the forced changes, will they be concerned about too many changes
On the other hand, with McGovern and Saad out of the game the drive from the backline will need bolstering
GWS usually only relies on the one ruck, Briggs.
It really makes sense for us to only play one.
If that's not the case, and we play both, then there may be some 'alternate' thinking taking place.
(or they may just be stubborn :D )
run , run and more run.
We looked out of sorts changing up formation - alot of players looked lost including Weitering expecting players to do a job up the field to play his natural game but our runners were too gassed. 2 minutes of sprinting is alot of work for a player. Pitto taking up half a game over works our runners
so run, run and more run.
We are at our best when we are the hunter, at the moment we are the hunted. Need to flip that around this weekend.
We are at our best when we are the hunter, at the moment we are the hunted. Need to flip that around this weekend.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Exactly.
In: Young, Cowan
Out: McGovern Saad
Oh look, we are going in with 2 rucks again.
Not only that
Young offers less run than Gov.
Cowan offers less run than Saad.
So we were lacking with run last week, so they've 'fixed it' by 'adding' less run this week.
Also no chance of putting a tall as an emergency because that will come from....
[37] Jordan Boyd,
[16] Jack Carroll,
[14] Orazio Fantasia,
[19] Corey Durdin,
[7] Matthew Kennedy
*facepalm*
Eventually we'll win one of these, but it will be from good luck rather than good management.
I really don't know who lacks more credibility the MRO or the Carlton MC >:(
Oh look, we are going in with 2 rucks again.
Not only that
Young offers less run than Gov.
Cowan offers less run than Saad.
So we were lacking with run last week, so they've 'fixed it' by 'adding' less run this week.
Also no chance of putting a tall as an emergency because that will come from....
[37] Jordan Boyd,
[16] Jack Carroll,
[14] Orazio Fantasia,
[19] Corey Durdin,
[7] Matthew Kennedy
*facepalm*
Eventually we'll win one of these, but it will be from good luck rather than good management.
Yep. ::) :-X
I have no problem with going into the match with no run - but need to scrap the game plan from beginning of year as that handball run and gun game from turnover is not going to work with two rucks.
I have no problem if its the game plan of last year contested dominating stoppages and clearances then two rucks makes more sense but run and gun from turnover is not going to work.
I don’t mind the side however I would have dropped Fantasia for Cincotta to provide some flexibility down back and a bigger body against GWS - let’s hope there is a late surprise Sat.
In: Young, Cowan
Out: McGovern Saad
GWS MC has picked our team!
What's the story with Cincotta? Didn't play last week in the VFL but named as an emergency?
I thought we were over the MC ruining or chances with their chosen lineups.
The number of games we struggled in due to the teams imbalance we ALL could see even before a ball is bounced. :o
Last year was good, regularly good.
The Fantasia selection is taking the p...
The Fantasia selection is taking the p...
He is lucky we have injuries and don't have many options. Be handy if he could find some form this week..
Our line-up:
Backs: Lachie Cowan Jacob Weitering Brodie Kemp
Half-backs: Zac Williams Lewis Young Nic Newman
Centreline: Ollie Hollands Patrick Cripps Blake Acres
Half-forwards: Matthew Cottrell Tom De Koning Elijah Hollands
Forwards: Charlie Curnow Harry McKay Matthew Owies
Followers: Marc Pittonet Sam Walsh George Hewett
Interchange: Jordan Boyd Jack Carroll Corey Durdin Orazio Fantasia Matthew Kennedy
Emergencies: Jaxon Binns Alex Cincotta Hudson O'Keeffe
In: Lachie Cowan, Lewis Young
Out: Adam Saad (hamstring), Mitch McGovern (hamstring)
[1] I can live with 2 rucks. Tom struggled against Briggs last year. Pitto shouldn't.
[2] How did Cincotta miss out? He has to add more than Fantasia and Corey Durdin. And he has shown he can play in the middle: I'd be trying something different there.
[3] Our midfield has been smashed this year. Can we change it somehow?
[4] Ollie Hollands?
I looks at this side and I am uninspired. I guess Cowan is playing well enough, but Cincotta was excellent in his only showing.
Another ruckman in HOK as the emergency? Very odd.
A few need to lift this week:
Durdin Fantasia Ollie Elijah Owies
I think we'll get shown a lesson. Hope I'm wrong.
Surely O'Keffe can't be an emergency. Three rucks ? what drugs are the MC on?
Surely O'Keffe can't be an emergency. Three rucks ? what drugs are the MC on?
Being named an emergency is sometimes a bit like a 'participation certificate'. :D
It's a reward for effort and it sends the message that "you're not too far away"
If we have to make a late change it's a pretty fair bet it won't be O'Keefe coming in....most likely it will be Cincotta, if he's fit.
Our ability to respond after a loss is pretty good. It'll need to be. I'd expect a far more intense and competitive effort tomorrow arvo with an upset (us winning) on the cards.
Time to regain the 'hunter' focus/spirit. What's the best way to satisfy a 'hunger' for winning - Hunt.
Being named an emergency is sometimes a bit like a 'participation certificate'. :D
It's a reward for effort and it sends the message that "you're not too far away"
If we have to make a late change it's a pretty fair bet it won't be O'Keefe coming in....most likely it will be Cincotta, if he's fit.
O’Keeffe may have been named because Pitto or De Koning has a niggle.
Cincotta was “managed” last round but the Magoos are playing on Sunday and he won’t miss two games if he is the emergency.
The sub may get to back up on Sunday too.
The Fantasia selection is taking the p...
Running out of choices. I'd have him in the 2s if we could.
We'll get the best out of him in the 2nd half of the year when he gets the feel properly of the game again. I'd have him in the 2s until then but we have run out of players.
I like how we can cobble together a decent side still.
Just for comparison the ins and outs for this week's game compared to when we knocked off the Pies last year in Round 20:
OUT
Cerra
Docherty
McGovern
Saad
Dow
Marchbank
Martin
Motlop
Cunningham
Cincotta
Fogarty
In
Walsh
E.Hollands
Z.Williams
H.McKay
L.Cowan
L.Young
Fantasia
Boyd
Carroll
Durdin
Kennedy
I like how we can cobble together a decent side still.
Just for comparison the ins and outs for this week's game compared to when we knocked off the Pies last year in Round 20:
OUT
Cerra
Docherty
McGovern
Saad
Dow
Marchbank
Martin
Motlop
Cunningham
Cincotta
Fogarty
In
Walsh
E.Hollands
Z.Williams
H.McKay
L.Cowan
L.Young
Fantasia
Boyd
Carroll
Durdin
Kennedy
Yes, it seems that we have finally built up some decent depth ... but is it enough to knock off the best team in the comp?
Quietly confident :)
The teams that GWS have beaten don't actually make up a Cox Plate field.... An underdone Collingwood, North, WCE, Suns, St Kilda.
They are not in scintillating for and neither are we.
We are most vulnerable against 6th - 12th ranked teams but seem to come to the party against the big dogs.
They are due to drop one, we are due to rebound!
The teams that GWS have beaten don't actually make up a Cox Plate field.... An underdone Collingwood, North, WCE, Suns, St Kilda.
They are not in scintillating for and neither are we.
We are most vulnerable against 6th - 12th ranked teams but seem to come to the party against the big dogs.
They are due to drop one, we are due to rebound!
Not if we keep fumbling, dropping marks, miss hitting up targets and refuse to man up.
I wouldnt call GWS tough...got a few players who dont like it rough and disappear when it is, no doubting their skills but id be making it as contested as possible and picking players who excel in that area. Blues by 23 points....
If we have to make a late change it's a pretty fair bet it won't be O'Keefe coming in....most likely it will be Cincotta, if he's fit.
Short memory Lods, i'm pretty sure i said the exact same thing last week except it was Pittonet instead of O'Keefe!
Short memory Lods, i'm pretty sure i said the exact same thing last week except it was Pittonet instead of O'Keefe!
I suspect there is still a bit of a difference between Pittonet and O'Keefe :D
Unless there is an issue with one of the rucks, O'Keefe is just there for show.
In the unlikely event that he does play it just reinforces the fact that the coaching group are committed to two rucks.
So that then begs the question....
If a coaching group that contains a Brownlow medallist and triple premiership mid-fielder with over 150 games of senior coaching, and years as an assistant at a moderately successful Port...and our best ruckman this century think that there are times when the two ruck option should be used.
and
knowing the strengths and weaknesses, and fitness levels of both our ruckman far better than any of us.
Why are they on a different page to those questioning the two ruck set-up?
They're either as stubborn as mules, or they have a 'cunning' plan that depends on time for Pittonet and TDK to work together and develop a combination.
In all the games both have played probably less half have been together.
In the end they'll either work it out or abandon it.
I wouldnt call GWS tough...got a few players who dont like it rough and disappear when it is, no doubting their skills but id be making it as contested as possible and picking players who excel in that area. Blues by 23 points....
Maybe Pitto will be our enforcer?
A little birdy tells me Kelly is doubtful.
I suspect there is still a bit of a difference between Pittonet and O'Keefe :D
Unless there is an issue with one of the rucks, O'Keefe is just there for show.
In the unlikely event that he does play it just reinforces the fact that the coaching group are committed to two rucks.
So that then begs the question....
If a coaching group that contains a Brownlow medallist and triple premiership mid-fielder with over 150 games of senior coaching, and years as an assistant at a moderately successful Port...and our best ruckman this century think that there are times when the two ruck option should be used.
and
knowing the strengths and weaknesses, and fitness levels of both our ruckman far better than any of us.
Why are they on a different page to those questioning the two ruck set-up?
They're either as stubborn as mules, or they have a 'cunning' plan that depends on time for Pittonet and TDK to work together and develop a combination.
In all the games both have played probably less half have been together.
In the end they'll either work it out or abandon it.
I really like your perspective, Principal LODS. Could very well be the case. And HOK definitely has something/the goods as a ruckman. Raw as heck but his 2nd and 3rd efforts are there for all to see. Agree his is probably named as an emergency as encouragement.
Just watched the final qtr of the Croweaters game... coulda, shoulda won by about 4-5 goals but there was an element of cockiness/lairising which let the Croweaters in. Arrogantly, perhaps, I suspect this was a game we lost more than the opposition won.
Just watched the final qtr of the Croweaters game... coulda, shoulda won by about 4-5 goals but there was an element of cockiness/lairising which let the Croweaters in. Arrogantly, perhaps, I suspect this was a game we lost more than the opposition won.
Absolutely. Just frustrating
Absolutely. Just frustrating
And it's on the coaches to ensure this doesn't happen... again!!!
Just for something different, talk on BF is that Zac Williams will be a late out with soreness. May as well just name a screwen VFL side at this rate.
Just for something different, talk on BF is that Zac Williams will be a late out with soreness. May as well just name a screwen VFL side at this rate.
IF accurate, a tough job just got much tougher.
On the bright side we can replace him with a debutant ruckman 😉
Just for something different, talk on BF is that Zac Williams will be a late out with soreness. May as well just name a screwen VFL side at this rate.
Reckon Cincotta can take his place and do the job, I dont see ZW as vital to our team winning.
Reckon Cincotta can take his place and do the job, I dont see ZW as vital to our team winning.
I wouldnt both in our side TBH
IF accurate, a tough job just got much tougher.
On the bright side we can replace him with a debutant ruckman 😉
If that happens, i reckon i'll have to buy a new laptop as this one will become a feature in the nearest wall. :o
I can confirm both Zac Williams and Kelly are out there warming up
NO LATE CHANGES
SUBSTITUTES
Carlton: Jack Carroll
Greater Western Sydney: James Peatling
Darcy / Jackson
Soldo / Sweet
Goldstein / Draper
Cameron / Cox
Etc etc
We're obviously not the only team running 2 genuine rucks.....
Is there an in-game thread?
Is there an in-game thread?
I just started one LN