MCG, Saturday arvo, anybody going?
Well, I would have thought we'd win this but who knows?
Why, to watch a drawn game ??
MCG, Saturday arvo, anybody going?
May do if the ladies cricket is not on TV or radio.
Lose this and the blow torch will do some damage down at Visy Park.
If we lost this would MM be under pressure or what? The media pressure will grow.
If we lost this would MM be under pressure or what? The media pressure will grow.
Carrots. Media pressure has already started. Everyone is all over it. This is Pagan all over again.
He looked like a bloke giving up tonight at his presser, could he pull the pin?
Seriously couldn't care right now ... I think I might wash my hair next Saturday arvo ... O0
It'll be like watching a bottom of the ladder nil all draw.. :yawn fest:
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
He's probably thinking that may not be a bad option by now - walk away into the sunset with his pockets jingling and then back into the media after about 18 months. Better than having to deal with those deadbeats at CFC every effin' day! :))
After the media grilling this week we'll win by 70-80, the players will be happy and full of themselves, only to be pumped by the Dogs the next week.
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
2 mil payout
nice holiday with Nanette
as if he'd GAF
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
He's probably thinking that may not be a bad option by now - walk away into the sunset with his pockets jingling and then back into the media after about 18 months. Better than having to deal with those deadbeats at CFC every effin' day! :))
Maybe we should play it different and offer him a contract extension on the proviso of nominated ladder positions.
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
He's probably thinking that may not be a bad option by now - walk away into the sunset with his pockets jingling and then back into the media after about 18 months. Better than having to deal with those deadbeats at CFC every effin' day! :))
Maybe we should play it different and offer him a contract extension on the proviso of nominated ladder positions.
nah pass - I want him gone.
Theres no such thing as a 60+ yo premiership coach these days
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
He's probably thinking that may not be a bad option by now - walk away into the sunset with his pockets jingling and then back into the media after about 18 months. Better than having to deal with those deadbeats at CFC every effin' day! :))
Maybe we should play it different and offer him a contract extension on the proviso of nominated ladder positions.
nah pass - I want him gone.
Theres no such thing as a 60+ yo premiership coach these days
People who want Malthouse gone are idiots. It's the players, not the coach. We just need to reassess his objectives. His recruiting of Menzel, Graham, Cripps and Giles (I know it's early) have already given us hope in the future. He needs another list cull at the end of this year and needs to set us up for his successor.
People who want Malthouse gone are idiots. It's the players, not the coach. We just need to reassess his objectives. His recruiting of Menzel, Graham, Cripps and Giles (I know it's early) have already given us hope in the future. He needs another list cull at the end of this year and needs to set us up for his successor.
But MM and Carlton do not rebuild!
Based on the assistants he put in place he has no intention of setting up a replacement!
People who want Malthouse gone are idiots. It's the players, not the coach. We just need to reassess his objectives. His recruiting of Menzel, Graham, Cripps and Giles (I know it's early) have already given us hope in the future. He needs another list cull at the end of this year and needs to set us up for his successor.
But MM and Carlton do not rebuild!
Based on the assistants he put in place he has no intention of setting up a replacement!
Malthouse did not recruit Cripps, Giles, Menzel or Graham.
The objectives we have are Malthouses.
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
He's probably thinking that may not be a bad option by now - walk away into the sunset with his pockets jingling and then back into the media after about 18 months. Better than having to deal with those deadbeats at CFC every effin' day! :))
Maybe we should play it different and offer him a contract extension on the proviso of nominated ladder positions.
nah pass - I want him gone.
Theres no such thing as a 60+ yo premiership coach these days
People who want Malthouse gone are idiots. It's the players, not the coach. We just need to reassess his objectives. His recruiting of Menzel, Graham, Cripps and Giles (I know it's early) have already given us hope in the future. He needs another list cull at the end of this year and needs to set us up for his successor.
If we made top 4 this year as Mick predicted we would I would not have a problem. If we made the 8 I also would not have a problem. If we were a strong contender for the 8 I would be disappointed but not shattered.
We are now bottom 4 material and I am disgusted.
People who want Malthouse gone are idiots. It's the players, not the coach. We just need to reassess his objectives. His recruiting of Menzel, Graham, Cripps and Giles (I know it's early) have already given us hope in the future. He needs another list cull at the end of this year and needs to set us up for his successor.
But MM and Carlton do not rebuild!
Based on the assistants he put in place he has no intention of setting up a replacement!
Malthouse did not recruit Cripps, Giles, Menzel or Graham.
The objectives we have are Malthouses.
Well, if he didn't persuade Rogers and co. into drafting those players then they've had a massive turnaround in their recruiting philosophy.
Malthouse did NOT set the club's objectives. They were set by the board BEFORE Malthouse was pursued by the Club.
Milk.
MM had no influence over Menzel or Graham. I think they were recruited before he even got there.
MM repeatedly say he has no influence over drafting, he does however play a role in getting targets from other clubs.
The objectives of the playing group have been set by the coach.
Milk.
MM had no influence over Menzel or Graham. I think they were recruited before he even got there.
MM repeatedly say he has no influence over drafting, he does however play a role in getting targets from other clubs.
The objectives of the playing group have been set by the coach.
The club gave Malthouse the objective of winning a premiership with the current squad. They need to reassess that objective.
Malthouse wouldn't have handpicked Menzel and Graham but he would've had to have OK'd the picks. If he didn't then that is why our recruiting has been so terrible. The Coach should have final say in what his team needs, and if not, why was at both the 2012 and 2013 drafts?
After the media grilling this week we'll win by 70-80, the players will be happy and full of themselves, only to be pumped by the Dogs the next week.
Jimbo stop with the ridiculous predictions, we are not that good.
People who want Malthouse gone are idiots. It's the players, not the coach. We just need to reassess his objectives. His recruiting of Menzel, Graham, Cripps and Giles (I know it's early) have already given us hope in the future. He needs another list cull at the end of this year and needs to set us up for his successor.
You are seriously delusional. He never recruited those blokes he was off promoting his book remember?
Milk.
MM had no influence over Menzel or Graham. I think they were recruited before he even got there.
MM repeatedly say he has no influence over drafting, he does however play a role in getting targets from other clubs.
The objectives of the playing group have been set by the coach.
The club gave Malthouse the objective of winning a premiership with the current squad. They need to reassess that objective.
This is the point that our club has fallen over. They have no forking clue.
The next 4 weeks we'll know where we're really at.
Ground zero against the worst side in the comp Melbourne
Step up against the dogs.
Another step up against the Eagles
Then the finals bound pies.
If we lose to Melbourne god help us.
If we can't beat the dogs we should start tanking.
The next 4 weeks we'll know where we're really at.
Ground zero against the worst side in the comp Melbourne
Step up against the dogs.
Another step up against the Eagles
Then the finals bound pies.
If we lose to Melbourne god help us.
If we can't beat the dogs we should start tanking.
Should beat Melbourne but the Dogs will be tough...Minson will slaughter Warnock and I'll have money that Dalhaus gets his usual bag of goals as well.
Having Judd back might give us the edge and cover up some cracks....
Eagle and Pies..I'll settle for competitive games...
I'm not banking this one. Roos will see his chance for grabbing a much needed win. After that, well who knows - the aybyss?
Stop ginning around and pick a real side, that would be a start.
Wood first ruck, Warnock into seconds. Casboult second ruck and tall forward.
Robbo seconds - give Graham or Cripps a run. Drop Garlett, also drop Tuohy or play him up the ground.
Play Walker across half forward as he is a liability in defence.
Elevate Scotland or tell Gibbs he is playing across half back because the on ball experiment has failed.
B: Giles, Jamison, Buckley
HB: Yarran, Henderson, Docherty
C: Thomas, Judd, Cripps
HF: Walker, Waite, Menzel
F: Garlett, Casboult, Everitt
R: Wood, Murphy, Simpson
I/C : Holman, Curnow, Graham, Robinson
I think Ratten lolled us into a false sense of where we were at: he managed to get an ordinary team with 1 champion into the finals and play with esprit de corps.
Of course, he was not going to win a premiership with that squad and they screwed him up no end. However, decisions were made on the basis of those results.
Now those decisions look pretty ordinary, but very few of us will claim to prescient. I definitely am not. Otherwise I'd win tattslotto and put my employment issues far behind me.
So, our list needs a complete overhaul. It isn't all that needs an overhaul. Our whole development structure and off field leadership needs work. But, be that as it may, we have issues that we must address now.
[1] It looks like we need to do a St. Kilda and sacrifice some players for young talent.
[2] We need to blood some kids.
This week, against Melbourne, is the perfect time to start. I wouldn't sacrifice a lot of kids, but 2 would be a decent start. Cripps and Giles? Graham? Whatever. We need to introduce some kids and this is the best place to start.
I would not play Docherty for another couple of weeks yet: he needs time to get his match fitness back. I don't know if Holman is ready yet either, but he won't be far away.
I'd be thinking of dropping Tuohy. He is struggling at the moment and being beaten one on one. That is not like him at all. I am not sure he is 100 % fit, but if he is he needs to get his confidence back. I'd also play him in the middle in the VFL: get him into the game and give him the chance to really attack.
Garlett: I know the Prince offers a fair bit of defensive effort across the forward line, but he is also struggling. He hasn't run anyone down for a while, nor taken any marks (which he certainly can). he has lost faith with must of his kicking and just needs to get his confidence up.
Replacing him is an issue I am not sure of the solution as yet. Yazz?
Cameron Wood (and I still can't believe I am writing this) has probably done enough to earn a call up. He has dominate the ruck and taken marks around the ground. Warnock just hasn't managed that.
I am not sure what to do about Daisy Thomas either. He is along way from his best form and fitness and probably won't be back to that until next year. That is going to make the decision to recruit him a questionable one. he doesn't lack endeavor, but he is not getting to contests or managing to win as many one on ones as we require.
Scotland has probably done enough to get in.
People who want Malthouse gone are idiots. It's the players, not the coach. We just need to reassess his objectives. His recruiting of Menzel, Graham, Cripps and Giles (I know it's early) have already given us hope in the future. He needs another list cull at the end of this year and needs to set us up for his successor.
You are seriously delusional. He never recruited those blokes he was off promoting his book remember?
He was at both National Drafts. I'm sure it wasn't for a book signing.
B: Giles, Jamison, Buckley
HB: Yarran, Henderson, Docherty
C: Thomas, Judd, Cripps
HF: Walker, Waite, Menzel
F: Garlett, Casboult, Everitt
R: Wood, Murphy, Simpson
I/C : Holman, Curnow, Graham, Robinson
I'd happily go with that team but I dont see it happening...
People who want Malthouse gone are idiots. It's the players, not the coach. We just need to reassess his objectives. His recruiting of Menzel, Graham, Cripps and Giles (I know it's early) have already given us hope in the future. He needs another list cull at the end of this year and needs to set us up for his successor.
You are seriously delusional. He never recruited those blokes he was off promoting his book remember?
He was at both National Drafts. I'm sure it wasn't for a book signing.
Doesn't he think he will coach for ever? ;)
With the current list of assistant coaches, there is no successor plan ::)
B: Giles, Jamison, Buckley
HB: Yarran, Henderson, Docherty
C: Thomas, Judd, Cripps
HF: Walker, Waite, Menzel
F: Garlett, Casboult, Everitt
R: Wood, Murphy, Simpson
I/C : Holman, Curnow, Graham, Robinson
I'd happily go with that team but I dont see it happening...
Looks good, but swap Robbo for Bell and Garlett for Ellard
Scotland Casboult Cripps Temay Wood Graham. That's the best player list from the NBs. Why wouldn't one play them all this week. It's Melbourne so give Giles a run as well.
Don't care about the number of changes, just send the message.
B: Giles, Jamison, Buckley
HB: Yarran, Henderson, Docherty
C: Thomas, Judd, Cripps
HF: Walker, Waite, Menzel
F: Garlett, Casboult, Everitt
R: Wood, Murphy, Simpson
I/C : Holman, Curnow, Graham, Robinson
I'd happily go with that team but I dont see it happening...
Looks good, but swap Robbo for Bell and Garlett for Ellard
judd is still injured - bring in graham
Scotland Casboult Cripps Temay Wood Graham. That's the best player list from the NBs. Why wouldn't one play them all this week. It's Melbourne so give Giles a run as well.
Don't care about the number of changes, just send the message.
Would it be seen as "tanking" with those sort of inclusions? Who decides the difference between tanking and playing for the future?
Would give Giles a run. They don't have any genuine key forwards in.
I'd go with this...
OUT: White, Robinson, Ellard
IN: Giles, Cripps, Graham/Temay
Don't care if we lose with those inclusions.
http://www.hmgem.com.au/?id=12
MM should give these blokes a ring - see if they could do anything about our engine before the week end. ::)
Scotland Casboult Cripps Temay Wood Graham. That's the best player list from the NBs. Why wouldn't one play them all this week. It's Melbourne so give Giles a run as well.
Don't care about the number of changes, just send the message.
Would it be seen as "tanking" with those sort of inclusions? Who decides the difference between tanking and playing for the future?
Would give Giles a run. They don't have any genuine key forwards in.
I'd go with this...
OUT: White, Robinson, Ellard
IN: Giles, Cripps, Graham/Temay
Don't care if we lose with those inclusions.
No-one will think we're tanking. Stiff sh1t if they do. Send a message!
We'll win by a huge margin this week after that embarrassment. Even our side has a little more pride than that. The question is will it slip back a few weeks later.
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
And if that happens that Club is an embarrament and a disgrace, I will never set foot in the place or watch a game again.
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
Surely Swann would have to follow.
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
Surely Swann would have to follow.
Swann to go at seasons end is the rumour....
If we lose to the Dees next week, Malthouse will be sacked, nothing is surer !!!
Surely Swann would have to follow.
Swann to go at seasons end is the rumour....
Hopefully as part of the major clear out we all hanker for.
I think Ratten lolled us into a false sense of where we were at: he managed to get an ordinary team with 1 champion into the finals and play with esprit de corps.
Of course, he was not going to win a premiership with that squad and they screwed him up no end. However, decisions were made on the basis of those results.
Now those decisions look pretty ordinary, but very few of us will claim to prescient. I definitely am not. Otherwise I'd win tattslotto and put my employment issues far behind me.
So, our list needs a complete overhaul. It isn't all that needs an overhaul. Our whole development structure and off field leadership needs work. But, be that as it may, we have issues that we must address now.
[1] It looks like we need to do a St. Kilda and sacrifice some players for young talent.
[2] We need to blood some kids.
This week, against Melbourne, is the perfect time to start. I wouldn't sacrifice a lot of kids, but 2 would be a decent start. Cripps and Giles? Graham? Whatever. We need to introduce some kids and this is the best place to start.
I would not play Docherty for another couple of weeks yet: he needs time to get his match fitness back. I don't know if Holman is ready yet either, but he won't be far away.
I'd be thinking of dropping Tuohy. He is struggling at the moment and being beaten one on one. That is not like him at all. I am not sure he is 100 % fit, but if he is he needs to get his confidence back. I'd also play him in the middle in the VFL: get him into the game and give him the chance to really attack.
Garlett: I know the Prince offers a fair bit of defensive effort across the forward line, but he is also struggling. He hasn't run anyone down for a while, nor taken any marks (which he certainly can). he has lost faith with must of his kicking and just needs to get his confidence up.
Replacing him is an issue I am not sure of the solution as yet. Yazz?
Cameron Wood (and I still can't believe I am writing this) has probably done enough to earn a call up. He has dominate the ruck and taken marks around the ground. Warnock just hasn't managed that.
I am not sure what to do about Daisy Thomas either. He is along way from his best form and fitness and probably won't be back to that until next year. That is going to make the decision to recruit him a questionable one. he doesn't lack endeavor, but he is not getting to contests or managing to win as many one on ones as we require.
Scotland has probably done enough to get in.
Balanced and fair.
Sam D. isn't ready yet. There were glimpses of his obvious class yesterday but he also made some howlers that would only be because of lack of match fitness. Another game or two and yep, bring him in.
Scotland should replace White or Zackery. You're right, CRASH, Zackery is struggling and Scotto was just great yesterday... play and leadership wise.
I would definitely reward Cripps with a gig. Probably to replace Bell or Robbo.
No brainer for Wood or Meat to replace Warnock... Levi showed real endeavour yesterday and took at least a half dozen strong contested grabs. Like Meat, Wood marked around the ground and read the play really well.
Don't know how Temay made the best players... must have been his 4 goals. One was a pearl. The rest were from great work from team mates... too slow.
Graham should also be a monty as he got plenty of the aggott yesterday, but must learn to go in harder and dispose better.
The outs should be: White, Bell, Robinson & Warnock. Ins from Scotland, Cripps, Wood, Casboult, Giles, Graham, Armfield & Reynolds. Watson at the outside if the Dees have a slow tall forward. Lucas did not play yesterday and McLean didn't appear in the 2nd half after a poor first half - reckon he's carrying an injury.
@Baggers
Apart from maybe Cripps, those ins don't really excite me I'm afraid. Maybe OK for the Dees but what happens after that?
@Baggers
Apart from maybe Cripps, those ins don't really excite me I'm afraid. Maybe OK for the Dees but what happens after that?
After that we should have Judd and Docherty to include, with in mind to give Giles and Reynolds a taste shortly after that should others continue to not fire a shot at the appropriate level.
If it were up to me I would drop White for Scotland, Bell for Cripps, Warnock for Wood, Armfield for Ellard and sub Robbo (to replace Cripps in the 3rd... or vice versa). If the rookie list thing is a problem for Wood, then bring in Casboult.
@Baggers
Apart from maybe Cripps, those ins don't really excite me I'm afraid. Maybe OK for the Dees but what happens after that?
After that we should have Judd and Docherty to include, with in mind to give Giles and Reynolds a taste shortly after that should others continue to not fire a shot at the appropriate level.
If it were up to me I would drop White for Scotland, Bell for Cripps, Warnock for Wood, Armfield for Ellard and sub Robbo (to replace Cripps in the 3rd... or vice versa). If the rookie list thing is a problem for Wood, then bring in Casboult.
Reynolds needs promoting as does Wood so I am not sure we can do both.....but I agree on most of thsoe chancges although Davey Ellard deserves soem games as he has done his bit..he is a battler but at least he can kick straight.
Giles, Cripps, Holamn, Graham and Docherty I would introduce slowly rather than in one large group...
Bring back Scotland, bring back Judd. I don't care if he's in a wheelchair. We need players who put it.
@ Baggers/EB1
OK. I agree about Ellard, he should stay in as one of the few who gave his all.
suddenly, this is becoming match of the round
@ Baggers: Add Rowe to the list of outs. He is embarrassing. People say Watson is slow, Rowe makes him look like a Stall Gift contender. The MC MUST make the biggest statement in CFC history at the selection table this week, there is no other option. Last night, several players embarrassed themselves and the jumper. Heads must roll.
This future direction of this club will be decided this week - with the 150 celebrations
nothing is more poignant than this game against Melbourne.
I m calling this game the most important in the last 19 years.
If we loose, I can only imagine the fallout, if we win, and depends how we win, this will only gloss over the problems.
too often this club only jolts into action when there's intense scrutiny , part of me wants them to loose only because the benefits of moving forward that come with this
Melbourne have nothing to lose this week. We could stink it up big time and look like the biggest losers in the league. We better have Levi on the park if he is fit. We better have intensity and passion. We lose this and it is seasons end and Mick better start to consider his next career move.
Don't want to see Warnock included, yes he get his hand to the ball first but that is it.
He doesn't tap to advantage and is next to useless around the ground.
Out: Warnock, White, Touhy, Ellard (he looks to have slowed)
Don't want to see Warnock included, yes he get his hand to the ball first but that is it.
He doesn't tap to advantage and is next to useless around the ground.
Out: Warnock, White, Touhy, Ellard (he looks to have slowed)
Yep. Drop Warnock and bring in Wood. Cant be any worse.
Giles, Cripps, Holamn, Graham and Docherty I would introduce slowly rather than in one large group...
I think this week is a week where you could get away with it and add in Woods and maybe Reynolds. Sure Melbourne could win, but it would send a message to the supporters that we're not going to accept anymore crap and are moving forward.
I know, this week why don't we let them just play footy. Yeah, you know like the old days, each player has a position and they play see ball get ball footy. Get rid of this zone and set plays stuff that micro managers players natural thought processes and stifles their natural footy ability.
They are continuing to second guess their footy brain and natural reactions, probably why we are second to the ball and don't hit targets.
Bloody 3 games in and the players are have player only meetings, gee, just let them play footy for C sake. >:(
Nope, we can't continue ignoring the future and sacrificing the present. We need to walk one path. The road to a premiership/s. If that means losing whilst the players figure it out so be it.
Enough with the short cuts.
They have only drawn out the journey and made it longer.
Giles, Cripps, Holamn, Graham and Docherty I would introduce slowly rather than in one large group...
I think this week is a week where you could get away with it and add in Woods and maybe Reynolds. Sure Melbourne could win, but it would send a message to the supporters that we're not going to accept anymore crap and are moving forward.
Also might send the message we have gone into a complete tail spin.....dont mind Wood, Docherty and a couple of the kids but we need some experience out there.
I expect Scotland to play.
In Cripps, Armfield, Wood, Giles, Scotland and Casboult
Out Garlett, Touhy, White, Bell, Warnock and Rowe
Out Garlett
During the week I asked a passionate Geelong supporter I work with, if he could pick any Carlton player and put him in a Geelong jumper who would he take. He said Garlett.
Personally I think Garlett plays half a season, in much the same manner as Yazz. Brilliant on their day but found wanting the following week. I wouldn't drop Jeff this week as he's due, but even if he snags 7 we should probably drop him for the next game. :P
Giles, Cripps, Holamn, Graham and Docherty I would introduce slowly rather than in one large group...
I think this week is a week where you could get away with it and add in Woods and maybe Reynolds. Sure Melbourne could win, but it would send a message to the supporters that we're not going to accept anymore crap and are moving forward.
Also might send the message we have gone into a complete tail spin.....dont mind Wood, Docherty and a couple of the kids but we need some experience out there.
I expect Scotland to play.
In Cripps, Armfield, Wood, Giles, Scotland and Casboult
Out Garlett, Touhy, White, Bell, Warnock and Rowe
Warnock really isn't as bad as some suggest and I really want to see Casboult play a full game at FF - fact is we've never seen it and he's been forced to run around the park with 5 minutes here and there in the forward line
Ins
Wood, Casboult, Cripps, Giles, Scotland, Armfield, Lucas.
Outs
Warnock, Rowe, Bell, White, Ellard, Tuohy, and 1 more, haven't decided.
I would love to see these changes, please footy gods let this happen.
Juddy back for rd 5
Ins
Wood, Casboult, Cripps, Giles, Scotland, Armfield, Lucas.
Outs
Warnock, Rowe, Bell, White, Ellard, Tuohy, and 1 more, haven't decided.
I would love to see these changes, please footy gods let this happen.
Juddy back for rd 5
Warnock aside, you've dropped all 'fringe' players - it's our so called cream that isn't producing - the Gibbs, Walkers, Thomas', Waites etc......
Changing the fringe players won't change outcomes unless the top echelon extract their collective digits.....
Ins
Wood, Casboult, Cripps, Giles, Scotland, Armfield, Lucas.
Outs
Warnock, Rowe, Bell, White, Ellard, Tuohy, and 1 more, haven't decided.
I would love to see these changes, please footy gods let this happen.
Juddy back for rd 5
Warnock aside, you've dropped all 'fringe' players - it's our so called cream that isn't producing - the Gibbs, Walkers, Thomas', Waites etc......
Changing the fringe players won't change outcomes unless the top echelon extract their collective digits.....
Yes, yes and double yes!
Melbourne will be setting themselves for this one too. We will be expecting an easy win and won't take them seriously.
It's a worry, and reminds me of the Gold Coast game build up that cost Ratten his job.
I can see us going down, unfortunately, which will send the whole place into meltdown.
Melbourne will be setting themselves for this one too. We will be expecting an easy win and won't take them seriously.
It's a worry, and reminds me of the Gold Coast game build up that cost Ratten his job.
I can see us going down, unfortunately, which will send the whole place into meltdown.
Agree, Roos is licking his chops as we speak.
Melbourne will be setting themselves for this one too. We will be expecting an easy win and won't take them seriously.
It's a worry, and reminds me of the Gold Coast game build up that cost Ratten his job.
I can see us going down, unfortunately, which will send the whole place into meltdown.
Agree, Roos is licking his chops as we speak.
We'll see if the players really want to play for the coach....the Tail wagging the Dog! ::)
Re Roos let's not get ahead of ourselves here with Roos. He's been out of the job a while, looks extremely grumpy and he too is playing with an outdated defensive style gameplan. I'm not too sure he's the right man for the job at all for Melbourne
Re Roos let's not get ahead of ourselves here with Roos. He's been out of the job a while, looks extremely grumpy and he too is playing with an outdated defensive style gameplan. I'm not too sure he's the right man for the job at all for Melbourne
Wow two outdated games plans playing off against each other. Should be a good game and a trip down memory lane ;)
Melbourne will be setting themselves for this one too. We will be expecting an easy win and won't take them seriously.
It's a worry, and reminds me of the Gold Coast game build up that cost Ratten his job.
I can see us going down, unfortunately, which will send the whole place into meltdown.
There's also the danger it could go the other way.
If we approach this game all fired up to show some intense pressure to prove a point we may concentrate on playing the man at the expense of just playing football.
The focus has to be on discipline and execution.
Giles, Cripps, Holamn, Graham and Docherty I would introduce slowly rather than in one large group...
I think this week is a week where you could get away with it and add in Woods and maybe Reynolds. Sure Melbourne could win, but it would send a message to the supporters that we're not going to accept anymore crap and are moving forward.
Also might send the message we have gone into a complete tail spin.....dont mind Wood, Docherty and a couple of the kids but we need some experience out there.
I expect Scotland to play.
In Cripps, Armfield, Wood, Giles, Scotland and Casboult
Out Garlett, Touhy, White, Bell, Warnock and Rowe
Warnock really isn't as bad as some suggest and I really want to see Casboult play a full game at FF - fact is we've never seen it and he's been forced to run around the park with 5 minutes here and there in the forward line
Agree on Casboult...disagree on Warnock....
Re Roos let's not get ahead of ourselves here with Roos. He's been out of the job a while, looks extremely grumpy and he too is playing with an outdated defensive style gameplan. I'm not too sure he's the right man for the job at all for Melbourne
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Starring Paul Roos and Mickey Malthouse! ;D
Agreed Lodsie - finding the correct level of intensity in the lead-up to the game is no simple matter. It's easy to say that the boys should be wound up to a frenzy before the bounce of the ball, but this can often produce mental exhaustion from playing the game before the ball is bounced.
It can also leave the players with a fragile mindset. If the players are wound up to make a big early impact, and things don't go according to the script with the other side hitting the scoreboard early, the players can become frustrated and bewildered. For all we know, this is what happened against Essendon and Richmond. In both games, the other side got off to a flyer and this may have stunned our players who had set themselves for a big start.
Melbourne will be setting themselves for this one too. We will be expecting an easy win and won't take them seriously.
It's a worry, and reminds me of the Gold Coast game build up that cost Ratten his job.
I can see us going down, unfortunately, which will send the whole place into meltdown.
There's also the danger it could go the other way.
If we approach this game all fired up to show some intense pressure to prove a point we may concentrate on playing the man at the expense of just playing football.
The focus has to be on discipline and execution.
Agree Lods - focus on the way we want to play consistently into the future.
Warnock was hopeless, kept going to ground and very rarely tapping the ball to advantage. If anything he should be punching the ball to space for someone to run onto.
::)Casboult is a big YES to play FF and STAY there. >:D
Let me get this straight up from my recent reading of this thread.
Leigh Matthews, perhaps the best player ever to walk onto the field and now the possessor of a pretty spectacular coaching record, states Aaron Sandilands is over-rated.
Sandilands a player who per game averages 100% more marks and scoring shots, 30% more hit outs and possessions and 25% more ranking points than our Robert Warnock.
Yet many say Robert Warnock is not that bad, as Sam Newman would say, Ohh Really? :o
Perhaps Leigh Matthews in his aging state got the name wrong, can you guess who it should have been?
Seriously, guys, Warnock is not that bad. He is far from perfect: most of his faults have been highlighted of late.
However:
[1] He actually has a pretty good tank and does not do poorly on long distance running. He simply can't sprint for nuts.
[2] At training his kicking is usually quite efficient. He has shots at goal and rarely misses, even from decent angles. However, he appears to lack confidence in that area, as his kicking for goal at senior level has been poor now for a couple of years. He needs work on his kicking, absolutely, but he isn't a dead loss in this area. Consider him as having a multiple year long yips.
[3] His marking on the track is not that bad either. Getting him to mark consistently and under pressure seems to be the issue. Getting our players to trust him to mark the ball is also an issue: we do NOT kick to him even when he is free.
[4] He appears to drop confidence very easily: that is the thing that irritates me the most about his game. He really needs a good dose of persistence.
[5] Very few ruckmen take many marks against him. He generally keeps other ruckmen quite quiet around the ground. He struggled in that regard against Essendon as the players he was playing against were much quicker than he was, so he didn't get to the contest. Also Essendon planned to use that weakness against him: their plans worked, as we could not put any pressure on their defenders clearing the ball from defence. Things would have been considerably different if they were kicking long to a contest or kicking under pressure.
There is an old military maxim: the First law of Battles: No Battle Plan survives contact with the enemy.
That is a truism, but most battle plans work reasonably for one side or the other. It all depends on your opponent.
Last weekend we were very predictable, so most of Essendon's strategic plans worked reasonably well. Ours did not, not because they were bad, but because we did not work hard enough. We did not want the ball enough. Hence we lost the initiative and we were reacting instead of forcing them to react to us.
We have to regain the initiative this week and get Melbourne to react to us. That will allow our plans to work more effectively and our players will gain in confidence as a result. Once we actually believe in ourselves we WILL win the one on ones that we so badly missing, and we WON'T allow our opponents to move the ball without pressure.
Crash, what is Touhy doing wrong?
Seriously, guys, Warnock is not that bad. He is far from perfect: most of his faults have been highlighted of late.
However:
[1] He actually has a pretty good tank and does not do poorly on long distance running. He simply can't sprint for nuts.
[2] At training his kicking is usually quite efficient. He has shots at goal and rarely misses, even from decent angles. However, he appears to lack confidence in that area, as his kicking for goal at senior level has been poor now for a couple of years. He needs work on his kicking, absolutely, but he isn't a dead loss in this area. Consider him as having a multiple year long yips.
[3] His marking on the track is not that bad either. Getting him to mark consistently and under pressure seems to be the issue. Getting our players to trust him to mark the ball is also an issue: we do NOT kick to him even when he is free.
[4] He appears to drop confidence very easily: that is the thing that irritates me the most about his game. He really needs a good dose of persistence.
[5] Very few ruckmen take many marks against him. He generally keeps other ruckmen quite quiet around the ground. He struggled in that regard against Essendon as the players he was playing against were much quicker than he was, so he didn't get to the contest. Also Essendon planned to use that weakness against him: their plans worked, as we could not put any pressure on their defenders clearing the ball from defence. Things would have been considerably different if they were kicking long to a contest or kicking under pressure.
All this sounds just like what was written for J Russell. Good player but just couldn't cut the mustard when the pressure got hot. Ditto Warnock (except the good player bit) ;)
We are more likely to produce this week than we are simply because we might kick the ball to Melbourne, but odds are they will kick it right back to us.
They too have been turning it over all season just like we have. Thing is, we have been cracking in better (until sunday) unlike them.
Let me get this straight up from my recent reading of this thread.
Leigh Matthews, perhaps the best player ever to walk onto the field and now the possessor of a pretty spectacular coaching record, states Aaron Sandilands is over-rated.
Sandilands a player who per game averages 100% more marks and scoring shots, 30% more hit outs and possessions and 25% more ranking points than our Robert Warnock.
Yet many say Robert Warnock is not that bad, as Sam Newman would say, Ohh Really? :o
Perhaps Leigh Matthews in his aging state got the name wrong, can you guess who it should have been?
And, just one more thing, his name is not Hampson! :))
Crash, what is Touhy doing wrong?
He started the year very well, just like he finished last year. But getting injured against North was a disaster for him. He has struggled since then to get any flow into his game and any confidence into himself.
It is not all of his fault: the lack of work ethic in the whole team at the moment as meant that the ball is coming down quickly to his opponent, instead of giving him some time to compete. As a result he is losing one on ones in the air, which he didn't do last year. He is also losing one on ones on the ground, as his confidence is low. Being out 'strengthed' and out maneuvered by Dustin Martin last week was a perfect example. Last year that wouldn't have happened.
Zac plays best when HE is attacking the ball.
I'd be tempted to give him a week or 2 at the Baby Blues. That may not be possible, as the guys who could replace him are not quite there yet. Scotland, maybe? I'd prefer Docherty, but he is honestly a couple of weeks off as yet.
The point would be to get him into the middle of the ground, around the ball. Get him attacking the pill and have guys worrying about him, instead of him worrying about quicker guys. Also, if he manages to squish a few dangerous little guys in the middle of the ground and have them worrying about his ability to out mark them would also make a difference. With a bit more of his mojo back, we can place him on a wing in the seniors and get his self belief back up. In no time he'll be back to his best, winning the one on ones again.
In the long term, I'd like our coaching staff to have him work on his body work. There isn't any good reason to have guys like Martin out muscle him at any time, let alone crucial ones. The other thing I would do is work on his sprints: his first couple of meters. He is reacting a little slowly at the moment: he isn't really slow. Having him pick up the ball that little quicker won't hurt him at all.
@Crash
Interesting post that made me think that a lot of our problems both forward and back are down to our weak midfield and their age old sins. This is putting our defence under a lot more pressure and it's giving our forwards little chance to do anything. That is the area we should be really focussed on fixing up first IMO.
Seriously, guys, Warnock is not that bad. He is far from perfect: most of his faults have been highlighted of late.
However:
[1] He actually has a pretty good tank and does not do poorly on long distance running. He simply can't sprint for nuts.
[2] At training his kicking is usually quite efficient. He has shots at goal and rarely misses, even from decent angles. However, he appears to lack confidence in that area, as his kicking for goal at senior level has been poor now for a couple of years. He needs work on his kicking, absolutely, but he isn't a dead loss in this area. Consider him as having a multiple year long yips.
[3] His marking on the track is not that bad either. Getting him to mark consistently and under pressure seems to be the issue. Getting our players to trust him to mark the ball is also an issue: we do NOT kick to him even when he is free.
[4] He appears to drop confidence very easily: that is the thing that irritates me the most about his game. He really needs a good dose of persistence.
[5] Very few ruckmen take many marks against him. He generally keeps other ruckmen quite quiet around the ground. He struggled in that regard against Essendon as the players he was playing against were much quicker than he was, so he didn't get to the contest. Also Essendon planned to use that weakness against him: their plans worked, as we could not put any pressure on their defenders clearing the ball from defence. Things would have been considerably different if they were kicking long to a contest or kicking under pressure.
All this sounds just like what was written for J Russell. Good player but just couldn't cut the mustard when the pressure got hot. Ditto Warnock (except the good player bit) ;)
You do have a point there, BP: Jordo just couldn't quite handle the heat. But Warnock has some advantages, not just 206 cm. Warnock appears to ruck well against decent opponents: in the past he has pulled out some of his better games against guys who would be considered better than him. For example, he has really played well on Ryder before and smashed Bellchambers. About the only ones he can't seem get on top of are the Weagles ruck pair and Sandilands.
But like Jordo, Robert drops his head too easily. Resilience! he needs it in job lots!
The other thing that Warnock has in his favour is that he never had real pace. Jordo tested really quick, but lost it as he bulked up. Warnock never has been quick, but has been able to cover his men effectively anyway.
I really want to see more from Warnock, but he just isn't a dead loss. He needs some of Justin Madden's cunning and ability to out think his opponent.
I think this will be quite close. Their better mids have been OK this season compared to ours who are all seemingly out of form. Overall we are the more talented side but with the team so out of form and lacking confidence and a sense of fear and trepidation emanating from Princes Park, we may see a side so petrified of failure there may be inaction! :o
I can envisage a team of players so reactionary that they may have the game dictated to them by a fellow rabble side. My worry is more that our players are scared to keep failing whilst the dees are now so far beyond that they may actually not care and therefore not be scared of losing and be a chance to come out on top
Crash, what is Touhy doing wrong?
He started the year very well, just like he finished last year. But getting injured against North was a disaster for him. He has struggled since then to get any flow into his game and any confidence into himself.
It is not all of his fault: the lack of work ethic in the whole team at the moment as meant that the ball is coming down quickly to his opponent, instead of giving him some time to compete. As a result he is losing one on ones in the air, which he didn't do last year. He is also losing one on ones on the ground, as his confidence is low. Being out 'strengthed' and out maneuvered by Dustin Martin last week was a perfect example. Last year that wouldn't have happened.
Zac plays best when HE is attacking the ball.
I'd be tempted to give him a week or 2 at the Baby Blues. That may not be possible, as the guys who could replace him are not quite there yet. Scotland, maybe? I'd prefer Docherty, but he is honestly a couple of weeks off as yet.
The point would be to get him into the middle of the ground, around the ball. Get him attacking the pill and have guys worrying about him, instead of him worrying about quicker guys. Also, if he manages to squish a few dangerous little guys in the middle of the ground and have them worrying about his ability to out mark them would also make a difference. With a bit more of his mojo back, we can place him on a wing in the seniors and get his self belief back up. In no time he'll be back to his best, winning the one on ones again.
In the long term, I'd like our coaching staff to have him work on his body work. There isn't any good reason to have guys like Martin out muscle him at any time, let alone crucial ones. The other thing I would do is work on his sprints: his first couple of meters. He is reacting a little slowly at the moment: he isn't really slow. Having him pick up the ball that little quicker won't hurt him at all.
Good stuff, CRASH... answered my questions re Zackery as well. :) :)
@ Cookie and Crash
What if for one game we went MAN on MAN and made everyone accountable, you'd be given a guy for the whole game and you must stop him.
Reminds me of that game Brittain made it 1 on 1 around the ground for the whole match against the Bummers and we got over the line.
Just saying it might make them start thinking about running the other way.(At least Jog on that direction ;))
Seriously, guys, Warnock is not that bad. He is far from perfect: most of his faults have been highlighted of late.
However:
[1] He actually has a pretty good tank and does not do poorly on long distance running. He simply can't sprint for nuts.
(Yet inferior to Kreuzer, and in the past inferior to Hampson as well!)
[2] At training his kicking is usually quite efficient. He has shots at goal and rarely misses, even from decent angles. However, he appears to lack confidence in that area, as his kicking for goal at senior level has been poor now for a couple of years. He needs work on his kicking, absolutely, but he isn't a dead loss in this area. Consider him as having a multiple year long yips.
(Yet the coach states he has no future up forward!)
[3] His marking on the track is not that bad either. Getting him to mark consistently and under pressure seems to be the issue. Getting our players to trust him to mark the ball is also an issue: we do NOT kick to him even when he is free.
(Averages 1 mark every 5 games, FFS he is 206cm, most rucks get more marks per week than he gets in a year!)
[4] He appears to drop confidence very easily: that is the thing that irritates me the most about his game. He really needs a good dose of persistence.
(He needs to grow some cohonas!)
[5] Very few ruckmen take many marks against him.(If only small to medium forwards didn't mark against him too!) He generally keeps other ruckmen quite quiet around the ground.(Didn't you say he can't sprint for nuts, he isn't even contesting a lot of stuff!) He struggled in that regard against Essendon as the players he was playing against were much quicker than he was, so he didn't get to the contest. Also Essendon planned to use that weakness against him:(Everybody uses his weaknesses against him!) their plans worked, as we could not put any pressure on their defenders clearing the ball from defence. Things would have been considerably different if they were kicking long to a contest or kicking under pressure.....
If you want to know one of the major reasons why our midfield is struggling, it is because the 206cm guy who gets his hand to the ball first more often than not taps it directly to the advantage of an opponent! QED
@Crash
Interesting post that made me think that a lot of our problems both forward and back are down to our weak midfield and their age old sins. This is putting our defence under a lot more pressure and it's giving our forwards little chance to do anything. That is the area we should be really focussed on fixing up first IMO.
Cookie, in many ways it is. Our mids have not been known for some time as being particularly hard working and they also have the reputation of being one way players.
That is pretty unfair, but that is how they are perceived.
In the past we have been able to get over this by having Carrots, one of the hardest working players there is, take out their best mid, and by having Juddy really make a substantial difference in the way we get the ball out.
We haven't had these 2 guys in and at their best for some time now and it shows.
Murphy has had a lot on his shoulders, but he has been able to ganged up on, as opposition teams do not fear our other mids.
The other thing is the ruck: our ruckmen have not developed as we had hoped, around the ground or in the centre square. Ignoring Warnock for a moment, who has different problems, we lost Jacobs just when he was turning into a star. He directs the ball well. Hampson wasn't bad, but he got less taps and less ruck time than others. Kreuzer did not direct his taps well and has developed least of the 4 young rucks we had at that time.
Of our 2nd stringers, none of them really directs their taps to advantage.
Wood doesn't either.
Secondly, our mids lack that someone explosive who can not just get the ball but deliver it dangerously to forwards. Our opponents, especially the Hawthorn's and Geelongs of this world, do that very well. This is something we need to address more than anything else, as we just don't get a whole lot of value from our clearances.
@ Cookie and Crash
What if for one game we went MAN on MAN and made everyone accountable, you'd be given a guy for the whole game and you must stop him.
Reminds me of that game Brittain made it 1 on 1 around the ground for the whole match against the Bummers and we got over the line.
Just saying it might make them start thinking about running the other way.(At least Jog on that direction ;))
It's certainly a thought BP, but my preference is to focus on playing the way we want to play going forward - hopefully that way has got full buy-in by all, and, for better or worse, those that haven't bought in should not be selected. From what is being observed by some of the sages on here, and already stated by MM, we are being out-worked so that is a real worry for me, especially with the midfield. A lot of that could be addressed by some better on-field leadership in the form of assistance and constructive encouragement from our so-called leaders and more senior players.
@ Cookie and Crash
What if for one game we went MAN on MAN and made everyone accountable, you'd be given a guy for the whole game and you must stop him.
Reminds me of that game Brittain made it 1 on 1 around the ground for the whole match against the Bummers and we got over the line.
Just saying it might make them start thinking about running the other way.(At least Jog on that direction ;))
We certainly need more of it. It was patently obvious on Sunday.
@Crash
Interesting post that made me think that a lot of our problems both forward and back are down to our weak midfield and their age old sins. This is putting our defence under a lot more pressure and it's giving our forwards little chance to do anything. That is the area we should be really focussed on fixing up first IMO.
Cookie, in many ways it is. Our mids have not been known for some time as being particularly hard working and they also have the reputation of being one way players.
That is pretty unfair, but that is how they are perceived.
In the past we have been able to get over this by having Carrots, one of the hardest working players there is, take out their best mid, and by having Juddy really make a substantial difference in the way we get the ball out.
We haven't had these 2 guys in and at their best for some time now and it shows.
Murphy has had a lot on his shoulders, but he has been able to ganged up on, as opposition teams do not fear our other mids.
The other thing is the ruck: our ruckmen have not developed as we had hoped, around the ground or in the centre square. Ignoring Warnock for a moment, who has different problems, we lost Jacobs just when he was turning into a star. He directs the ball well. Hampson wasn't bad, but he got less taps and less ruck time than others. Kreuzer did not direct his taps well and has developed least of the 4 young rucks we had at that time.
Of our 2nd stringers, none of them really directs their taps to advantage.
Wood doesn't either.
Secondly, our mids lack that someone explosive who can not just get the ball but deliver it dangerously to forwards. Our opponents, especially the Hawthorn's and Geelongs of this world, do that very well. This is something we need to address more than anything else, as we just don't get a whole lot of value from our clearances.
Great summation Crash - therein lies the root causes of our predicament IMO. Obviously other areas need improvement but THIS^^ is where we should be starting.
Secondly, our mids lack that someone explosive who can not just get the ball but deliver it dangerously to forwards. Our opponents, especially the Hawthorn's and Geelongs of this world, do that very well. This is something we need to address more than anything else, as we just don't get a whole lot of value from our clearances.
Not getting value from our clearances is true, when we do get a clearance we waste many, but the story is the same around the ground for us and the ruck situation is unrelated.
Our mids are not less explosive than the Dawks, the Dawks prime midfielders do not have great foot speed at all, their ball use, team work and decision making are their big strengths.
The two Dawks ruckmen are rated the in form ruckmen for the first three games this season, that is a reason why their midfield is going so well at the moment. Hale with little help from anybody else even touched up Sandilands on several levels!
Does this mean Capuano is reason for the mess we find ourselves in?
Rucks can't tap to advantage?
Does this mean Capuano is reason for the mess we find ourselves in?
Rucks can't tap to advantage?
I have been saying this for several years now.
The spectacular failure to develop the ruck stock we have is because we must have a dud ruck coach. When they leave our club and walk into the No.1 role at other clubs, that is a tell, you know we have a problem not the players.
Capuano must be Teflon to our MC and Admin!
Does this mean Capuano is reason for the mess we find ourselves in?
Rucks can't tap to advantage?
I have been saying this for several years now.
The spectacular failure to develop the ruck stock we have is because we must have a dud ruck coach. When they leave our club and walk into the No.1 role at other clubs, that is a tell, you know we have a problem not the players.
Capuano must be Teflon to our MC and Admin!
There's only one Mr Teflon LP ;)
There's only one Mr Teflon LP ;)
The bloke you refer to isn't just Teflon he is Silverstone, slippery and damage resistant!
This will be as crape a game of football as you are likely to see
This will be as crape a game of football as you are likely to see
I am not going to see it, I am over it!
If we win kicking 300 points, it would be as empty and valueless as a 100 point loss!
We know what will happen here. Carlton will fire up from the criticism and simply murder Melbourne. It's what happens in the weeks after that will tell the tale.
This will be as crape a game of football as you are likely to see
I am not going to see it, I am over it!
If we win kicking 300 points, it would be as empty and valueless as a 100 point loss!
Just papering over the cracks again ::)
We know what will happen here. Carlton will fire up from the criticism and simply murder Melbourne. It's what happens in the weeks after that will tell the tale.
Jimbo, you've been way off lately please don't jinx us!! :P
I was already pissed off with AFL over the EFC affair, so much so I plan to go to way fewer AFL games in 2014 and I will concentrate on local football.
Further to this, until we convincingly defeat a quality full strength in form top four side I think I am going to give Carlton membership renewals a miss for here on.
I don't need it anyway, it is something I do voluntarily as I'm an MCG member. There are a whole bunch of my mates who make "membership donations" as such, and they are thinking along the same lines, some have already have pulled the membership pin this season! Most of us don't bother going to StEFCihad stadium for good reasons!
We are sick of seeing our dollars wasted, so the club will just have to get by with fewer dollars to waste!
I know this is sort of self defeating, but it is basically all the average member can do! Maybe then the board and club will get the message, even though they should have got it already given our clubs stalling membership numbers!
We know what will happen here. Carlton will fire up from the criticism and simply murder Melbourne. It's what happens in the weeks after that will tell the tale.
Jimbo, you've been way off lately please don't jinx us!! :P
Have to agree with Jim...big win vs the Dee's and everything will be sweet again... top 4 here we come, put that rebuild on hold and lets sign Mick
for another 3 years he is a genius...
Beginning to think that, since this game is in the traditional Saturday arvo timeslot, I may just mosey along, even after last week's fiasco. Hopefully weather will be OK.
I'd definitely go but it's Doncaster Stakes day at Randwick with a bumper card of races.
Saturday afternoon and perhaps twilight are the only time slots that interest me in terms of going to the games now.
Dawes probably back for the Dees this week...
Beginning to think that, since this game is in the traditional Saturday arvo timeslot, I may just mosey along, even after last week's fiasco. Hopefully weather will be OK.
Likewise. Be good to show support in nos. this week. With the NBs looking like they're the ABC TV game of the day I can record that and watch it Saturday night - I can just hear Mrs Baggers groaning, 'oh joy'.
Dawes probably back for the Dees this week...
And Mitch Clark just retired after being diagnosed with depression...all the best to him for his future.
And Mitch Clark just retired after being diagnosed with depression...all the best to him for his future.
Sad news about the kid, he was a real talent and I hope he gets all the care he needs to get himself sorted out.
Dawes probably back for the Dees this week...
And Mitch Clark just retired after being diagnosed with depression...all the best to him for his future.
Very sad - good luck to him in the future.
Dawes probably back for the Dees this week...
And Mitch Clark just retired after being diagnosed with depression...all the best to him for his future.
Very sad - good luck to him in the future.
Figures on the growth of this disease -- depression & anxiety -- are horrendous. Fastest growing disease in the Western World.
All the best, Mitch. Fortunately there is quality care, support and treatment for this insidious ailment. Good luck Mate.
Must comment the AFL on its handling of this and other mental illnesses in players. One of my close mates who used to don the Navy Blue, when diagnosed with depression, received outstanding support from the AFL / CFC.
I heard the story about Mitch on the news tonight. Sad to hear and wish him all the best in his life. I hope he has the right support to help him manage his life.
Dawes probably back for the Dees this week...
And Mitch Clark just retired after being diagnosed with depression...all the best to him for his future.
Very sad - good luck to him in the future.
Figures on the growth of this disease -- depression & anxiety -- are horrendous. Fastest growing disease in the Western World.
All the best, Mitch. Fortunately there is quality care, support and treatment for this insidious ailment. Good luck Mate.
Must comment the AFL on its handling of this and other mental illnesses in players. One of my close mates who used to don the Navy Blue, when diagnosed with depression, received outstanding support from the AFL / CFC.
The AFL are good like that - so are the clubs
All the best Mitch, I actually had you on the interchange on my Fantasy Team hoping you would come back, now I will have to trade you.
Good Luck Bud.
Hope he goes ok.
Puts the beating by the Essenborgs in perspective......?
As bad as we were against the Scum, we cant possibly lose to this mob..... Can we ?
My God, the utter humiliation if we do!!!!
As bad as we were against the Scum, we cant possibly lose to this mob..... Can we ?
My God, the utter humiliation if we do!!!!
I'm not counting any chickens that's for sure.
Same.....
The dees might be a worse basket case than we are but one thing they can do is get their hands on the ball. They have a negative differential like we do but I don't think they have been as poor as we are in getting our hands on the pill first.
Its at either end of the ground were they are worse off than we are but I expect them to outpossess us on Saturday
The dees might be a worse basket case than we are but one thing they can do is get their hands on the ball. They have a negative differential like we do but I don't think they have been as poor as we are in getting our hands on the pill first.
Its at either end of the ground were they are worse off than we are but I expect them to outpossess us on Saturday
I think its telling that both of us seem to concede a lot of goals from turnovers, so this might be a positive for us. If they keep wasting the ball, it may well be the best avenue to goal for us.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carltons-youngsters-in-running-to-debut-against-winless-demons-20140408-zqs8x.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carltons-youngsters-in-running-to-debut-against-winless-demons-20140408-zqs8x.html)
Essendon great Matthew Lloyd also took aim at Blues skipper Marc Murphy, pointing out he had failed to remonstrate with Bombers youngster Jason Ashby after he had chested him.
‘‘I have got grave concerns for their leadership at Carlton. Their captain Marc Murphy, I want to know what he stands for,’’ Lloyd told Footy Classified.
‘‘This is harsh on him because, to me, he is still in their best two players but as a captain, this is a first gamer in Ashby who went up and chested Marc Murphy. He wouldn’t do that to Joel Selwood because Joel Selwood would come at him that hard.’’
It's not who we play this week it's how we play and approach it attitude-wise. Then if we literally pump the crap out of them as we should, then it's how we continue to play and approach it attitude-wise week in, week out, not a once or twice off. If the attitude is consistently decent we plays finals, if it's crap we're bottom 6. We've shown the last 5 years the list is good enough to make finals (although not good enough for top 4 bar one year) but if you don't work had enough on a consistent basis then you go no-where.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carltons-youngsters-in-running-to-debut-against-winless-demons-20140408-zqs8x.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carltons-youngsters-in-running-to-debut-against-winless-demons-20140408-zqs8x.html)
Essendon great Matthew Lloyd also took aim at Blues skipper Marc Murphy, pointing out he had failed to remonstrate with Bombers youngster Jason Ashby after he had chested him.
‘‘I have got grave concerns for their leadership at Carlton. Their captain Marc Murphy, I want to know what he stands for,’’ Lloyd told Footy Classified.
‘‘This is harsh on him because, to me, he is still in their best two players but as a captain, this is a first gamer in Ashby who went up and chested Marc Murphy. He wouldn’t do that to Joel Selwood because Joel Selwood would come at him that hard.’’
He is right.....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carltons-youngsters-in-running-to-debut-against-winless-demons-20140408-zqs8x.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carltons-youngsters-in-running-to-debut-against-winless-demons-20140408-zqs8x.html)
Essendon great Matthew Lloyd also took aim at Blues skipper Marc Murphy, pointing out he had failed to remonstrate with Bombers youngster Jason Ashby after he had chested him.
‘‘I have got grave concerns for their leadership at Carlton. Their captain Marc Murphy, I want to know what he stands for,’’ Lloyd told Footy Classified.
‘‘This is harsh on him because, to me, he is still in their best two players but as a captain, this is a first gamer in Ashby who went up and chested Marc Murphy. He wouldn’t do that to Joel Selwood because Joel Selwood would come at him that hard.’’
He is right.....
Yes he is...and he is accurate.
I thought the same on Sunday night watching the game and have mentioned this for years. Soft footballers we have. Getting pushed around and not sticking up for themselves or eachother.
We have a pi$$ poor list with regards to talent and aggressiveness.
We need more than just a Patrick Dangerfield, we need a clean out of the list - not 3 players of this % rubbish either - a list cleanout of the soft unaccountable players with below average skill levels.
Its not good enough who and what we have. I refer to the list, development, the VFL, the academy, staffing re list manger and head recruiter.
Haven't for ages and the weekend was great for the reason that it exposed the club and players - we simply need this to happen!
Now let's start to get it right and ASAP!!!
We need strong on field leaders too - we ain't got em!
Scott Selwood from WCE and Pat Dangerfield from the Crows for be good starts. They bring AFL skill and talent for sure but also leadership, grunt and toughness.
I'd be looking at the careers of Gibbs, Waite, Garlett, Yarran, Warnock, Kreuzer and Jamison (high profile types) quite closely. Not saying get em out but looking closely.
We have averaged around 5 goals more per game conceded from turnovers compared to the Demons.
What's going on with Brock McLean?
He can't even get a touch in the seconds and looks skinny and weak.
Even removed his Twitter account. :o
Guess the crowd at the MCG.
I will go for 89.
I'm taking 3 clients, so that's 4. ::)
I'm taking 3 clients, so that's 4. ::)
Trying to lose them? :P
I rang the club to ask what time the game was scheduled to start - they asked "When could you get there?"
I expect them to implement a "lock-in" policy.
Those that are in there won't be allowed to leave regardless of long-term health and psychological damage
I'm taking 3 clients, so that's 4. ::)
Trying to lose them? :P
I like that. ;) Hoping for a Nil all draw so we all go home p155ed off.
What cup are we playing for? Is it still the Kreuzer Cup?
What's going on with Brock McLean?
He can't even get a touch in the seconds and looks skinny and weak.
Even removed his Twitter account. :o
Brock might behind the eight ball with Cripps, Graham etc getting close to a senior game.....some big calls need to be made on players and Brock is one of those IMO.
What's going on with Brock McLean?
He can't even get a touch in the seconds and looks skinny and weak.
Even removed his Twitter account. :o
Maybe some blokes just do not respond to screaming lunatics!
I have been wondering for some time that there may be more going on behind the scenes, since the Duigan issue surfaced. I thought it was very odd the way the club dealt with this and the reports and reasons seemed if nothing else just a bit patchy. Then again most of what we do is patchy!
But it smells of players being disgruntled rather than a list management or injury issue. The sort of reasoning you get around a football clubs when blokes are pissed-off is exactly like the reports we got about Duigan when players feel there is some bias going around and blokes are not getting rewarded for efforts.
Add to that Betts wanting to leave, Hampson being surprised at being traded and Cordy's departure things just don't seem right. The situation lacks cohesion, but I cannot put my finger on the cause, there is too much obfuscation going on.
I see it for what it is.
Our playing list is a little nice and sensitive, and probably are not used to being criticised in any way shape or form. As we know, different criticism can work for different players.
Some respond to a grilling.
Some need positive reinforcement.
Some need a little bit either way.
Some just dont care (you better be a bloody good player if you fit into this category).
Some take any sort of criticism the wrong way. They dont see it as positive they see it as negative. They go into their shells and then fail to respond and just sit there and cop it meekly...
Wait, what was that last bit again??? 81 points...
What cup are we playing for? Is it still the Kreuzer Cup?
Peter Wright cup...http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-13/size-does-matter
Melbourne are setting themselves for this game...
They know we re low on confidence and they can take a scalp if they play to their potential.
Lowly clubs always do this against us because we re mentally weak.
The Saints and the Dogs did it to us last year....
Port and Gold Coast the year before....
Wont be surprised to see us stuff this one up.....
We wont stuff this up. We'll belt these morons into next week.
Then the Doggies will pull our pants down because we get ahead of ourselves at the first sign of positivity.
We wont stuff this up. We'll belt these morons into next week.
Then the Doggies will pull our pants down because we get ahead of ourselves at the first sign of positivity.
So we get ahead of ourselves or we're not good enough? Which one is it?
Had the 'Go Deez' played us last Sunday night then they would have been a real show.
We should give a much better account of ourselves this Saturday. Our only danger is if the 'Go Deez' get a few early ones and bring all our obvious self doubts to the fore.
The Dishlickers will help us to see if we've adequately addressed our softness.
interesting to see who goes to dawes
and if watts starts forward
Selection tomorrow will be especially intriguing. On the one hand you want to gives blokes the chance to redeem themselves but also we must make changes.
Bell and Robbo must be looking down the barrel. And surely you'd give Meat a gig over 206. Cripps and Graham should be the ins.
Selection tomorrow will be especially intriguing. On the one hand you want to gives blokes the chance to redeem themselves but also we must make changes.
Bell and Robbo must be looking down the barrel. And surely you'd give Meat a gig over 206. Cripps and Graham should be the ins.
Cripps especially - I don't care what macca "thinks"
what macca should understand is when a kid plays his debut
he plays out of his skin and wants to play the week after
NEVER underestimate this.
This administration must never reward mediocre effort
Selection tomorrow will be especially intriguing. On the one hand you want to gives blokes the chance to redeem themselves but also we must make changes.
Bell and Robbo must be looking down the barrel. And surely you'd give Meat a gig over 206. Cripps and Graham should be the ins.
Cripps especially - I don't care what macca "thinks"
what macca should understand is when a kid plays his debut
he plays out of his skin and wants to play the week after
NEVER underestimate this.
This administration must never reward mediocre effort
100% agree... but we don't want to do to this kid what we've done to Kreuz, smashed his body around before he was ready. The Messiah stuff again. Hard to be patient though.
Believe me, TNT Blue (like that!!??), what I saw him (Cripps) do on SUnday arvo and how he did it was just bloody heart warming.
Selection tomorrow will be especially intriguing. On the one hand you want to gives blokes the chance to redeem themselves but also we must make changes.
Bell and Robbo must be looking down the barrel. And surely you'd give Meat a gig over 206. Cripps and Graham should be the ins.
Cripps especially - I don't care what macca "thinks"
what macca should understand is when a kid plays his debut
he plays out of his skin and wants to play the week after
NEVER underestimate this.
This administration must never reward mediocre effort
100% agree... but we don't want to do to this kid what we've done to Kreuz, smashed his body around before he was ready. The Messiah stuff again. Hard to be patient though.
Believe me, TNT Blue (like that!!??), what I saw him (Cripps) do on SUnday arvo and how he did it was just bloody heart warming.
seen bucklys body? now look away...look at cripps body
yeah, me like :)
Selection tomorrow will be especially intriguing. On the one hand you want to gives blokes the chance to redeem themselves but also we must make changes.
Bell and Robbo must be looking down the barrel. And surely you'd give Meat a gig over 206. Cripps and Graham should be the ins.
Cripps especially - I don't care what macca "thinks"
what macca should understand is when a kid plays his debut
he plays out of his skin and wants to play the week after
NEVER underestimate this.
This administration must never reward mediocre effort
100% agree... but we don't want to do to this kid what we've done to Kreuz, smashed his body around before he was ready. The Messiah stuff again. Hard to be patient though.
Believe me, TNT Blue (like that!!??), what I saw him (Cripps) do on SUnday arvo and how he did it was just bloody heart warming.
seen bucklys body? now look away...look at cripps body
yeah, me like :)
;D ;D ;D I hear you!! :) What I was thinking about but failed to make clear was that his tank is not up to it yet so we don't want to exhaust him. Yep, that body is going to delivery hurt to opponents in the year's to come.
Glad you like... who's the man? TNT Blue. ;)
Melbourne are setting themselves for this game...
They know we re low on confidence and they can take a scalp if they play to their potential.
Lowly clubs always do this against us because we re mentally weak.
The Saints and the Dogs did it to us last year....
Port and Gold Coast the year before....
Wont be surprised to see us stuff this one up.....
You know what Dom? This is the topic of another thread ATM but I couldn't care if we lost, as long as we lost being absolutely forking Ruthless (to a man) for 120min. Dish up the carp we did Sunday night even for 5 seconds, I would be devastated whether we win lose or draw. The 22 who run out on Sat have the opportunity to change the course their football careers and that of their Club.
What cup are we playing for? Is it still the Kreuzer Cup?
Peter Wright cup...http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-13/size-does-matter
High Probability Event. Wright looks pretty good at this point. However, he does have competition. It would be nice to pick up a decent player.....
What cup are we playing for? Is it still the Kreuzer Cup?
Peter Wright cup...http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-13/size-does-matter
High Probability Event. Wright looks pretty good at this point. However, he does have competition. It would be nice to pick up a decent player.....
Wright is the Tom Boyd of this years crop IMO....reckon Melbourne will be looking his way now Clark has retired....Roo's is already setting the scene IMO for a bottom finish.
Frawley will go IMO....Dees will have two very early picks and Wright will be one of them.
We wont stuff this up. We'll belt these morons into next week.
Then the Doggies will pull our pants down because we get ahead of ourselves at the first sign of positivity.
So we get ahead of ourselves or we're not good enough? Which one is it?
Why is it only one?
In Cripps, Lucas, Scotland, Casboult
Out Waite, White, Bell, Garlett!
Lucas has some bloody good photos!!
Would have thougt that Bell's big body might have been handy on a heavy track?
In - P.Cripps, K.Lucas, H.Scotland & L.Casboult
Out - J.Waite, S.White, T.Bell & J.Garlett
Pretty soft approach to the team selection considering the belting & lame effort we put up.
Is Waite injured?
I wouldn't have dropped Bell either who did OK when he came on. The other two no probs and I like the ins, hopefully Lucas gets four quarters against Melbourne who are an easy kill/confidence lifter.
Is Waite injured?
I wouldn't have dropped Bell either who did OK when he came on. The other two no probs and I like the ins, hopefully Lucas gets four quarters against Melbourne who are an easy kill/confidence lifter.
I have no problems with the outs. White is a spud, Bell has heart but no footy nous and terrible disposal, Garlett has gone missing for three weeks and Waite is out of form. But how Rowe keeps getting a game is beyond me.
Finally taken a stand against Jeffy and Waite.
Our forward line looks a little weak though.
Hope Patty Cripps can havea great debut.
Dawes back for the Dees..... Watch him kick 5 and be the match winner!!!!
Is Waite injured?
I wouldn't have dropped Bell either who did OK when he came on. The other two no probs and I like the ins, hopefully Lucas gets four quarters against Melbourne who are an easy kill/confidence lifter.
I have no problems with the outs. White is a spud, Bell has heart but no footy nous and terrible disposal, Garlett has gone missing for three weeks and Waite is out of form. But how Rowe keeps getting a game is beyond me.
Yeah I guess that's fair enough, I would've thought Waite had a few credits in the bank though. No doubt he's one of Mick's whipping boys. If Cripps wears fluoro green I think I'll vomit.
Jeffy overdue for a spell. Waite out sends a message.
Int:
Lucas, Scotland, Carrazzo and Menzel.
Who is our sub?
Not Menzel or Lucas, I hope, they both need full games. If Carrazzo is a bit sore (6 day turnaround) after very limited preparation, it might be him???
Dropping Waite is ridiculous. Who would be a Forward chipping short along the boundary line and with only 180 uncontested possessions.
Hope its an injury.
Dropping Waite is ridiculous. Who would be a Forward chipping short along the boundary line and with only 180 uncontested possessions.
Hope its an injury.
It's registered as omitted
Waite at his worst is one million times better than Rowe at his best.
Another ridiculous selection mistake.
Could these be blokes who said "No" to Mick's question?
A half-ar5ed Waite is 1000s times more value than a pea-hearted Lucas!
Could these be blokes who said "No" to Mick's question?
:))
Rowe is probably playing because he's been playing to instructions.
Those that have missed have probably not.
Waite is also one of the few who will fly the flag for the boys.
Another thing that has to be taken into account, is the weather and therefore the ground conditions.
Rain is predicted right up till next Monday.
Collingwood and Richmond will turn the ground into a mud heap, even allowing for the already heavy conditions.
Rowe can barely move on a dry day. At least Waite has some mobility about him.
Also, why wasn't carrots dropped. He should have been allowed to find his touch in the twos and they should have brought in in Graham instead.
Rowe is probably playing because he's been playing to instructions.
Those that have missed have probably not.
I'd love to know what those instructions could possibly be.
Another thing that has to be taken into account, is the weather and therefore the ground conditions.
Rain is predicted right up till next Monday.
Collingwood and Richmond will turn the ground into a mud heap, even allowing for the already heavy conditions.
Rowe can barely move on a dry day. At least Waite has some mobility about him.
Also, why wasn't carrots dropped. He should have been allowed to find his touch in the twos and they should have brought in in Graham instead.
But if it is raining our spine looks mighty slow.
Hmm, otherwise at least we are trying something different!
At least in the wet 206 won't get any shorter, he can just stick those big arms up and take a mark! ;)
Is this the start of the 'clean out and cull'? Give Rowe, Casboult and Lucas a chance to prove their worth and then work out what to do with them come October??
Another thing that has to be taken into account, is the weather and therefore the ground conditions.
Rain is predicted right up till next Monday.
Collingwood and Richmond will turn the ground into a mud heap, even allowing for the already heavy conditions.
Rowe can barely move on a dry day. At least Waite has some mobility about him.
Also, why wasn't carrots dropped. He should have been allowed to find his touch in the twos and they should have brought in in Graham instead.
Find his touch? Bloke had 23 touches (18 contested), 10 clearances and 5 tackles in his first game in quite a while. One of the only decent players for us last week.
FFS I have just realised, Warnock, Rowe, Casboult, Henderson all slow supposedly marking targets on a weekend after four straight days of rain.
Has our MC turned to mud?
Poor Levi, he pulls a gig as a 200cm mark clunking target on a weekend when it has rained so much they have closed the MCG park three days before the game. Talk about giving he kid a challenge, maybe his luck has well and truly run out! Will Frawley go to him?
Is this the start of the 'clean out and cull'? Give Rowe, Casboult and Lucas a chance to prove their worth and then work out what to do with them come October??
I reckon that's it. Got no problem with the changes this week though I would have added Robbo as an out for Graham and would have liked to see Watson back in the side.
I think by dropping Waite it sends a bigger message than dropping a Rowe type. It means no one is invincible. It'd be easy to pick on the lesser lights, but this says to all players, you got to shape up or you'll get a spell in the two's.
Senior players had to go, Robbo uses up another life though.
Bit of a surprise to see Waite dropped but I guess that's more because of what he is capable of rather than what he's producing.
Bell is a bit stiff; he had a dip when he came on. Hopefully, it will fire him up and he'll force his way back.
Lucas is a bit of a left field selection; did he play in the NBs last week? I would have given Graham a run before Lucas.
I hope were not underestimating Melbourne :-\
Senior players had to go, Robbo uses up another life though.
Gotta play Robbo in the wet. The conditions will bring everyone else's disposal efficiency down to his level. ;)
This line up does not commensurate with output
nor does it makes sense on a horses for courses strategy
Would have thougt that Bell's big body might have been handy on a heavy track?
Bell is crap
Would have thougt that Bell's big body might have been handy on a heavy track?
Bell is crap
Agree, one or two good games to start, not good enough to go on and cope with being worked out. VFL player.
I haven't seen mud on the MCG for nearly 20 years and the only way the ground will be wet is if it is actually raining during the game.
Finally taken a stand against Jeffy and Waite.
Our forward line looks a little weak though.
Hope Patty Cripps can havea great debut.
Dawes back for the Dees..... Watch him kick 5 and be the match winner!!!!
Agree. Clever by Roos to get Dawes ready for a soft opposition game. When he lines up against Rowe, it will be like a VFL game anyway.
FFS are we trying to lose this game?!?
Rowe and Lucas get a gig, WHY?
Tried, tested and found wanting on many occasions.
What's the bet Cripps will get to wear the vest.
I've just about had it with this club. >:(
Waite is also one of the few who will fly the flag for the boys.
What a white one?
CARLTON v MELBOURNE
Saturday, April 12 at the MCG, 1.45pm (EST)
BLUES
B: A.Walker, M.Jamison, Z.Tuohy
HB: A.Everitt, S.Rowe, D.Buckley
C: K.Simpson, E.Curnow, D.Thomas
HF: D.Ellard, L.Casboult, B.Gibbs
F: C.Yarran, L.Henderson, M.Robinson
FOLL: R.Warnock, P.Cripps, M.Murphy
I/C: T.Menzel, H.Scotland, A.Carrazzo, K.Lucas
EMG: T.Bell, N.Graham, M.Watson
IN: K.Lucas, L.Casboult, H.Scotland, P.Cripps
OUT: J.Waite, S.White, J.Garlett, T.Bell
DEMONS
B: A.Georgiou, J.Frawley, L.Dunn
HB: J.Grimes, T.McDonald, D.Terlich
C: J.Watts, B.Vince, D.Cross
HF: J.McKenzie, C.Pedersen, J.Viney
F: J.Howe, C.Dawes, R.Bail
FOLL: J.Spencer, N.Jones, D.Tyson
I/C: M.Evans, M.Jones, J.Kennedy-Harris, D.Kent
EMG: S.Byrnes, J.Trengove, D.Nicholson
IN: C.Dawes, J.McKenzie
OUT: S.Byrnes, J.Fitzpatrick
We do have a few guys there who are lucky to be present: Thomas, Ellard, Robinson to mention just a few. I hope that these guys can take the hint and start playing some better footy, as Melbourne are probably seeing us as their best chance to win for perhaps the entire season. Nathan Jones is making noises about the 'Bruise Free Footy' of a couple of seasons back. Considering that he was one of the main offenders that night and that Robbo was talking about OUR effort, not theirs, but never ruin a good tale with a good dose of truth.
Still, we HAVE to take these cretins seriously, no matter how they played last week. After all, WE were pitiful last week too and are just as winless as they are. We must find some inspiration!
FFS are we trying to lose this game?!?
Rowe and Lucas get a gig, WHY?
Tried, tested and found wanting on many occasions.
What's the bet Cripps will get to wear the vest.
I've just about had it with this club. >:(
I don't mind Lucas, his early to mid part of last season kept us competitive on numerous occasions. What we lack is speed. Despite his soft body work he has run and
youthful energy.
We could lose this.
FFS are we trying to lose this game?!?
Rowe and Lucas get a gig, WHY?
Tried, tested and found wanting on many occasions.
What's the bet Cripps will get to wear the vest.
I've just about had it with this club. >:(
Dont believe you can wear the vest when named on the ground, on SEN he was named on the the ball.
Rowe is probably playing because he's been playing to instructions.
Those that have missed have probably not.
Agree...made the bad mistake when he dropped a mark and the ball got cleaned up by the bombers for a goal but rucked ok
and a couple of handpasses resulted in scores. He isnt the future but probably tries to play to instructions better than some of the
other players and thats what Mick likes about him.
I think he plays his best footy in the ruck and is more useful than Warnock around the ground but dont want him anywhere near the backline.
FFS are we trying to lose this game?!?
Rowe and Lucas get a gig, WHY?
Tried, tested and found wanting on many occasions.
What's the bet Cripps will get to wear the vest.
I've just about had it with this club. >:(
I don't mind Lucas, his early to mid part of last season kept us competitive on numerous occasions. What we lack is speed. Despite his soft body work he has run and youthful energy.
DU he could not do any worse than the 22 witches hats last week, ANY change is an upgrade.
Senior players had to go, Robbo uses up another life though.
Gotta play Robbo in the wet. The conditions will bring everyone else's disposal efficiency down to his level. ;)
Hope it's not too bruising for him. ;D
Genius as work.
Only person who might have a chance of kicking a few and maybe getting some form back is omitted.
Dropping Waite was harsh given the delivery and supply...there was none of either. If we wanted to change things with regard to Waite then I would have played him at CHB and let Henderson and Casboult play forward for the future.
Bell was a bit unlucky given the quarter he played was ok but he hasnt been using the ball well and has to learn or be moved on.
Lucas...another deckchair on the Titanic being shuffled...
Scotland.....well he does use the ball well and provides some leadership...
I have a very bad feeling about this match, I'm thinking the worst actually. :-[
Pretty clear that we are tanking. Lucas.... he did exactly what last week in the 2's?
With only four decent sized blokes (I don't count Warnock) that must be the shortest side we have ever put on the park... if it isn't a bog heap...
With the right head space, this side is good enough to get over the line in this game. The question is what do they have between their ears ? If that isn't working we will quickly go 0-4.
If they are hard wired to crash and crunch this game, it could be one of our easier victories of the last few seasons. Which side comes to play is all that counts.
Good to see some changes.
How long since we've had a young draftee play so early? Well done to him!
How Robert Warnock continues to be picked to play for our club is beyond me.
Genius as work.
Only person who might have a chance of kicking a few and maybe getting some form back is omitted.
Pity he's also one lazy mofo....
Good on Mick for dropping him...
How Robert Warnock continues to be picked to play for our club is beyond me.
Yeh, so in the preseason e picked up Wood for what reason? Kreuzer on LTI list would be a good time to elevate him I thought :o
How Robert Warnock continues to be picked to play for our club is beyond me.
x2....I guess the club went after him hard and are paying good money so they feel obligated to play him...
Hitouts mean nothing these days if your mids are good ....the old fashioned follower who can get around the ground
like Carlilse showed is more useful in the modern game.
Mick said he wanted players who can play more than one position yet maintains faith in Warnock who can play only one and not that well apart from hitouts.
Dropping Waite was harsh given the delivery and supply...there was none of either. If we wanted to change things with regard to Waite then I would have played him at CHB and let Henderson and Casboult play forward for the future.
Bell was a bit unlucky given the quarter he played was ok but he hasnt been using the ball well and has to learn or be moved on.
Lucas...another deckchair on the Titanic being shuffled...
Scotland.....well he does use the ball well and provides some leadership...
I would have done the same with Waite. Thought he played some pretty good football at CHB and provides a bit of run.
We have a team of turnover merchants. Bells needs to learn to play within his limitations. But he is not Robinson Crusoe.
I would push Walker forward. He is a liability by foot in the back half.
Dropping Waite was harsh given the delivery and supply...there was none of either. If we wanted to change things with regard to Waite then I would have played him at CHB and let Henderson and Casboult play forward for the future.
Bell was a bit unlucky given the quarter he played was ok but he hasnt been using the ball well and has to learn or be moved on.
Lucas...another deckchair on the Titanic being shuffled...
Scotland.....well he does use the ball well and provides some leadership...
I would have done the same with Waite. Thought he played some pretty good football at CHB and provides a bit of run.
We have a team of turnover merchants. Bells needs to learn to play within his limitations. But he is not Robinson Crusoe.
I would push Walker forward. He is a liability by foot in the back half.
Agree on Walker.....he gets frustrated down back and loses his cool, he was a 50 goal forward for us under Ratten and given we struggle to kick goals its a no brainer IMO.
Dropping Waite was harsh given the delivery and supply...there was none of either. If we wanted to change things with regard to Waite then I would have played him at CHB and let Henderson and Casboult play forward for the future.
Bell was a bit unlucky given the quarter he played was ok but he hasnt been using the ball well and has to learn or be moved on.
Lucas...another deckchair on the Titanic being shuffled...
Scotland.....well he does use the ball well and provides some leadership...
I would have done the same with Waite. Thought he played some pretty good football at CHB and provides a bit of run.
We have a team of turnover merchants. Bells needs to learn to play within his limitations. But he is not Robinson Crusoe.
I would push Walker forward. He is a liability by foot in the back half.
Agree on Walker.....he gets frustrated down back and loses his cool, he was a 50 goal forward for us under Ratten and given we struggle to kick goals its a no brainer IMO.
Just give him the freedom to run and lead in the forward line... and stay there, no of this flooding crap ::)
Waite's misses at critical stages in all 3 games is a mental weakness that infects the entire team. Dropping him is right call IMO.
Dropping Waite was harsh given the delivery and supply...there was none of either. If we wanted to change things with regard to Waite then I would have played him at CHB and let Henderson and Casboult play forward for the future.
Bell was a bit unlucky given the quarter he played was ok but he hasnt been using the ball well and has to learn or be moved on.
Lucas...another deckchair on the Titanic being shuffled...
Scotland.....well he does use the ball well and provides some leadership...
But he tore it up in the back line last year and we all said thats where he belongs. Whats changed?
I would have done the same with Waite. Thought he played some pretty good football at CHB and provides a bit of run.
We have a team of turnover merchants. Bells needs to learn to play within his limitations. But he is not Robinson Crusoe.
I would push Walker forward. He is a liability by foot in the back half.
Agree on Walker.....he gets frustrated down back and loses his cool, he was a 50 goal forward for us under Ratten and given we struggle to kick goals its a no brainer IMO.
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Genius as work.
Only person who might have a chance of kicking a few and maybe getting some form back is omitted.
Pity he's also one lazy mofo....
Good on Mick for dropping him...
He's not the Lone Ranger in that dept. and a few of them are still playing.
Geezus, surprised by Waite's omission. He does frustrate but who the hell else in our team could do better? Maybe Henderson, but I can't imagine Levi getting much of it in the wet and we all know once it hits the deck he's basically out of the picture.
Warnock, Rowe, Robbo and even Tuohy were worse IMO.
Warnock, Rowe, Robbo and even Tuohy were worse IMO.
Agree. I think the decision to drop Waite and Jeffy were designed to create belief amongst supporters that the club are finally making the hard calls, yet it just looks stupid
Agree. I think the decision to drop Waite and Jeffy were designed to create belief amongst supporters that the club are finally making the hard calls, yet it just looks stupid
I suspect they are making selections heavily influenced by
statistics (http://finalsiren.com/MatchDetails.asp?GameID=6670&Code=fbd0be19872464f31237a0f7e7bd943e) alone!
Agree. I think the decision to drop Waite and Jeffy were designed to create belief amongst supporters that the club are finally making the hard calls, yet it just looks stupid
I suspect they are making selections heavily influenced by statistics (http://finalsiren.com/MatchDetails.asp?GameID=6670&Code=fbd0be19872464f31237a0f7e7bd943e) alone!
Wouldn't surprise. We have form!
2 of the worst performing teams in the comp with the best coaches
MM & Roos should get together privately before the game and agree to instruct their players
to go hard at each other to see who is up to it
call it the Bruezer cup
Rowe is probably playing because he's been playing to instructions.
Those that have missed have probably not.
Agree...made the bad mistake when he dropped a mark and the ball got cleaned up by the bombers for a goal but rucked ok
and a couple of handpasses resulted in scores. He isnt the future but probably tries to play to instructions better than some of the
other players and thats what Mick likes about him.
I think he plays his best footy in the ruck and is more useful than Warnock around the ground but don't want him anywhere near the backline.
Rowe NEVER, and I mean NEVER, puts in a second effort.
He'll go for a mark, miss it, and stand there looking like a complete imbecile. Kreuzer for example, will miss a mark but do all he can in a second and third effort to try and get the ball. Rowe, wouldn't know what a second effort was.
Don't get me wrong, no one admires the man more than me, for the remarkable recovery he has made from his testicular cancer.
But he is so far below the standard that is required to play at the highest level in an AFL team, which the supporters would like to see play in a final series in this our 150th. year, that's it is a sad reflection on the team list that our wonderful recruiters have cobbled together over the years, that he gets a game.
I happened to be in a position to watch Melbourne train on Thursday.
The Dimboola under 12's would beat them on what I saw. They had a full scale match practice and were woeful.
Of course, the way we are playing at the moment, the Dimboola under 9's would beat us. ::) ::) ::) ::)
2 of the worst performing teams in the comp with the best coaches
MM & Roos should get together privately before the game and agree to instruct their players
to go hard at each other to see who is up to it
call it the Bruezer cup
I'm not sold on Roos at the Demons whatsoever. He's supposed to be building confidence but judging by the bakes he's been dishing out so far he's doing the opposite. I hate the way these old school coaches with great records step in and think by throwing their weight around that will get the job done. That era has well and truly passed.
Who is on the match committee? What are their names?
Ours runs like a Parents Teachers Association ::)
Over the years, do any of us understand the logic of their selections or lack of? :o
If there was a theme I could work out the logic.
2 of the worst performing teams in the comp with the best coaches
MM & Roos should get together privately before the game and agree to instruct their players
to go hard at each other to see who is up to it
call it the Bruezer cup
I'm not sold on Roos at the Demons whatsoever. He's supposed to be building confidence but judging by the bakes he's been dishing out so far he's doing the opposite. I hate the way these old school coaches with great records step in and think by throwing their weight around that will get the job done. That era has well and truly passed.
Yes, today's prima donna players are just not up to it. ;)
Waite is also one of the few who will fly the flag for the boys.
Except for last week ::)
2 of the worst performing teams in the comp with the best coaches
MM & Roos should get together privately before the game and agree to instruct their players
to go hard at each other to see who is up to it
call it the Bruezer cup
I'm not sold on Roos at the Demons whatsoever. He's supposed to be building confidence but judging by the bakes he's been dishing out so far he's doing the opposite. I hate the way these old school coaches with great records step in and think by throwing their weight around that will get the job done. That era has well and truly passed.
Yes, today's prima donna players are just not up to it. ;)
That maybe the case, but the coaches job is to get the most out of what he has and for 1 million+ a year you need to have more up your sleeve than chip kicking sideways and abusing players.
2 of the worst performing teams in the comp with the best coaches
MM & Roos should get together privately before the game and agree to instruct their players
to go hard at each other to see who is up to it
call it the Bruezer cup
I'm not sold on Roos at the Demons whatsoever. He's supposed to be building confidence but judging by the bakes he's been dishing out so far he's doing the opposite. I hate the way these old school coaches with great records step in and think by throwing their weight around that will get the job done. That era has well and truly passed.
Yes, today's prima donna players are just not up to it. ;)
That maybe the case, but the coaches job is to get the most out of what he has and for 1 million+ a year you need to have more up your sleeve than chip kicking sideways and abusing players.
Carrots, may be they are getting all there is to get - scary thought I know.
Happy to see Waite & Garlett dropped.....the worst performed key & small forwards respectively in the AFL this year bar none (and I'm aware of Cloke's slow start to the season). Mick had to make a statement, can't drop them all, so here's a shot across the playing group's bow. Reckon Bryce & Tuohy would both wanna be playing well this week....
I was a White fan, but geez he's stunk it up the past couple of weeks, that was a no brainer, as was Bell who was sloppy against the Tigers & was the sub last week. Bell will return, but needs to sharpen up at VFL level.
Despite most of us not liking his presence in the team one iota, Rowe remains because of his ruck back-up capabilities.
Desperately want to see Walker playing forward, as his presence in the backline now hurts us & Scotland had to return for his sound ball usage alone.
They'd wanna be breathing fire tomorrow our mob......imagine the fallout if we lose, the anticipation is killing me!!!
In our case, there's far more in the tank than what we showed last week however.
I'm really looking forward to the easy kill this week anyway. Great opportunity for blokes like Carrazzo to get some match fitness and of course we get to see the continued development of blokes like Buckley and Cripps.
In our case, there's far more in the tank than what we showed last week however.
I'm really looking forward to the easy kill this week anyway. Great opportunity for blokes like Carrazzo to get some match fitness and of course we get to see the continued development of blokes like Buckley and Cripps.
That's what I'm hoping so I am definitely going along - great that it's on Sat arvo too.
Menzel should get a full game as well, at a ground that offers space to work in and conditions to suit.
I expect Lucas to be the sub as that seems to be something he seems suited for with his run and ability to play half forward. We'll need his run later with Cripps and Carazzo still lacking miles in the legs. His attitude will be a tell IMO... if he attacks the contest with conviction we'll be all right, if he just minces around...
Wish I could turn up to my job and say, look your tools are not up to it and then perform worse than the guy before me who got sacked for performance. That would be awesome.
Wish I could turn up to my job and say, look your tools are not up to it and then perform worse than the guy before me who got sacked for performance. That would be awesome.
Great way of pointing out how ridiculous this whole thing is. Oh no but it's Mick, Mick will fix it, Mick knows everything! :))
Wish I could turn up to my job and say, look your tools are not up to it and then perform worse than the guy before me who got sacked for performance. That would be awesome.
Great way of pointing out how ridiculous this whole thing is. Oh no but it's Mick, Mick will fix it, Mick knows everything! :))
Yep. If MM says jump, Sticks and co say how high. He has well and truly got this club by the balls.
Wish I could turn up to my job and say, look your tools are not up to it and then perform worse than the guy before me who got sacked for performance. That would be awesome.
Great way of pointing out how ridiculous this whole thing is. Oh no but it's Mick, Mick will fix it, Mick knows everything! :))
Yep. If MM says jump, Sticks and co say how high. He has well and truly got this club by the balls.
Yeah, because we need a leader that's weak as pissss so we can keep the presumably required hierarchical norm in tact... You've got a strong leader as coach suck it up and rejoice, we needed it , the next president will hopefully be a stronger character and your hierarchy will fit your visionary norm, that should put you at hierarchical ease should it not?
Ignorance is bliss eh D_U?
Wish I could turn up to my job and say, look your tools are not up to it and then perform worse than the guy before me who got sacked for performance. That would be awesome.
Great way of pointing out how ridiculous this whole thing is. Oh no but it's Mick, Mick will fix it, Mick knows everything! :))
Yep. If MM says jump, Sticks and co say how high. He has well and truly got this club by the balls.
Yeah, because we need a leader that's weak as pissss so we can keep the presumably required hierarchical norm in tact... You've got a strong leader as coach suck it up and rejoice, we needed it , the next president will hopefully be a stronger character and your hierarchy will fit your visionary norm, that should put you at hierarchical ease should it not?
Nicely put, Scratchy Pants. We've got a ridgey didge leader in the place, telling it how it is and yep, some won't like it.
Ignorance is bliss eh D_U?
Looks that way P2C. Have a look at Melbourne, one the oldest clubs in the league, it's supporters are so f$&@$ up themselves that they've transcended tribalism, I mean they are so f$&@ cultured and sophisticated and wouldn't dare drop a rude word.. And they're team plays that's way.
Then You have eddies mob, as dumb as dogs crap, happy to be led and things get done.
We're closer to Melbourne, our successes have transcended us beyond AFL. We should join the United Nations, it's more up our cultural alley.
Wish I could turn up to my job and say, look your tools are not up to it and then perform worse than the guy before me who got sacked for performance. That would be awesome.
Did the thought ever cross your mind, that this is why Ratten may have lost his job?
Malthouse may very well have been up front regarding the group's capability (we were not rated well at all 2 years ago), while Ratten may very well have said that this list can win a flag.
Who would you believe of the two, and why?
If you had to rebuild who would you trust to do it?
I heard a rumour which is too hindsight to repeat as truth but if true, it might speak for why Ratts may have lost his job and it has to do with certain recruiting decisions made and the direction the club was supposed to be going. After all, these are linked to the Senior coach in terms of recruitment strategy and list management was another question mark in this domain.
Malthouse may very well have been up front regarding the group's capability (we were not rated well at all 2 years ago), while Ratten may very well have said that this list can win a flag.
Who would you believe of the two, and why?
If you had to rebuild who would you trust to do it?
I believe Ratten thought we could win a flag
I believe the club thought so as well given their statements and recruiting
I believe Malthouse told the club he could (not would) deliver a flag.
It is well possible that Mick was talking crap. He has form.
Other scenarios don't really make sense with events IMO. Especially the timing of the sacking.
Ignorance is bliss eh D_U?
Looks that way P2C. Have a look at Melbourne, one the oldest clubs in the league, it's supporters are so f$&@$ up themselves that they've transcended tribalism, I mean they are so f$&@ cultured and sophisticated and wouldn't dare drop a rude word.. And they're team plays that's way.
Then You have eddies mob, as dumb as dogs crap, happy to be led and things get done.
We're closer to Melbourne, our successes have transcended us beyond AFL. We should join the United Nations, it's more up our cultural alley.
That said, how would you describe the hawks?
Malthouse may very well have been up front regarding the group's capability (we were not rated well at all 2 years ago), while Ratten may very well have said that this list can win a flag.
Who would you believe of the two, and why?
If you had to rebuild who would you trust to do it?
I believe Ratten thought we could win a flag
I believe the club thought so as well given their statements and recruiting
I believe Malthouse told the club he could (not would) deliver a flag.
It is well possible that Mick was talking crap. He has form.
Other scenarios don't really make sense with events IMO. Especially the timing of the sacking.
We cant know for sure what Mick promised, the fact that he said could leaves the argument open to it being a conditional statement, but we do know that this is what Ratten was hunting as it was the mission statement at the beginning of the year was continual improvement and to try and make the top 4. In fact the failure to reach that goal, was a major argument as to why he should be sacked by many of the fans on this forum whilst others were advocating a sliding scale given the injuries (myself being one of the few sticking with Ratten).
Now Mick has come onboard, and has not really made statements about what we are trying to do but rather that there is no limit to what can be achieved aside from the one we place on ourselves.
I don't harbour the pessimism surrounding Mick Malthouse that everyone else seems to (some right from the day he set foot in the club were looking for reasons to pot him).
This makes me a backer of Malthouse but I dont do it, because I think he is the be all and end all. I backed the players, they have let me down. I backed the club, they have let me down. Now I can only back the coach, but the club and the players are still the same, so until he can really make the team his own, I have no problem in saying that he hasnt let me down - YET.
He very well might. I dont know, but from what I can see, he is concentrating on fixing the very part of the list that was our biggest issue. Players from age 18 - 23. It looks a lot better this year than it did last year, and it looks like Mick is setting us up for a future even if he doesnt deliver in the short term. For me, given our current start, and form, I cant see us playing finals unless a massive turnaround in form and fortune happens, so the recruitment period come end of season will tell us a lot about whether or not Mick is doing the right thing by our footy club. If he sacrifices our future to aim at success next year, I will join you guys in the "Mick is letting us down category" but there will still be a bit of turnover down at that end of the list. After all, Bootsma, Watson, Mccinnes, Levi, Lucas are all looking like they are not going to become anything but run of the mill ordinary players and if he cut those names loose none will be surprised, but if we start trading blokes like Yarran, Menzel and Cripps if he were to come into his own as a future star of the comp, then look out.
Waite's form has been shocking, which is amazing considering that he played pre season games for the first time in five years, I was expecting big things.
I still think the best football he's played was at CHB and I would have run that one before I dropped him with Henderson CHF, but I honestly don't think he can complain about being dropped and neither should we members.
Garlett is another matter, he has always drifted in and out of games and his form this year isn't much different to what he's shown since he came to the club, I would have rolled the dice again with him.
Good luck to young Cripps, and it's great to see Scotto back.
Waite got the forward job because he could do it better than anyone else we had when Fev left us. He was the logical choice, considering how he played there when he had the chance.
However, like b4l, I agree that it is not his best position. His time at CHB was the most consistent football of his career, with the fewest brain fades. I'd like to see more of that, especially with him on, say, the 3rd tall forward of the opposition.
Unfortunately, it is not likely with our present list.
As for the Prince, maybe he did need a wakeup call.
Yes, being a small forward means that he will be up and down as a player. Yes, fair enough. However, his game has appeared to have lost some of the things that made him so dangerous earlier.
[1] Confidence in his left foot.
Garlett used to use his left foot almost as often as his right. It wasn't as good as his right, but it wasn't bad. After one ordinary afternoon when it failed him a couple of times, he put his left foot away. He has barely kicked left foot since, preferring to boomerang his right foot in its place.
I think that was an error, as it makes him more predictable. The desired result would be to improve his left foot kicking. It is not impossible.
[2] Marking
In his early days he was expected to be an ordinary mark because he was so small and slight. However, he marked the ball pretty well, outmarking a number of larger, stronger defenders. He hasn't quite put his marking away, but he has less confidence in it and he doesn't try as much with it. He is more willing to concede that the punch will come and get the crumb.
This is also a serious error. he doesn't have to take the speckies that Eddie Betts sometime did, although doing it really adds a dimension to his game that would him harder to match up. One or 2 really strong marks and he makes opposing coaches start eliminating their hair follicles.
At present his form in the air makes him more predictable and not as dangerous.
[3] Work Rate:
The Prince's ability to run guys down because he worked so hard has not been apparent this year and has been on the decline for a while. One of his most dangerous characteristics was his ability to surprise a defender and take him down, creating a goal out of nothing. But he just hasn't managed it this year, and it is affecting his game.
Fitness? When he started he found it difficult to run out games. He seems to heading back in that direction after a period when his running was on the improve.
One of the problems he has is that he often has to run around against extra men, because someone else hasn't picked up their man. He is the one who does the running, and by the time he is just about to get to one guy, the guy has seen him and dished it off to another, who Jeff then has to run down. If more of our forwards put on some more pressure, the prince would become more effective, as he wouldn't be the only guy to watch our for.
[4] Kicking Yips:
Garlett has always been a little unreliable with his kicking, but lately he has really had the yips. His set shot kicking has gone backwards, while his difficult snaps have remained pretty good. However, the less difficult kicks, especially when he reads the pack and is running into goal, have really gone off. He is dribbling the ball too much.
I think this is a confidence thing: we get him to kick a few bags and his confidence in his kicking will go up. He also needs work on his set shots (as do almost all of our forwards, but that is another matter).
I am quite happy to see him get some time with the Baby Blues. Now to get him playing with confidence.
Waite got the forward job because he could do it better than anyone else we had when Fev left us. He was the logical choice, considering how he played there when he had the chance.
However, like b4l, I agree that it is not his best position. His time at CHB was the most consistent football of his career, with the fewest brain fades. I'd like to see more of that, especially with him on, say, the 3rd tall forward of the opposition.
Unfortunately, it is not likely with our present list.
I think Waite is one player who is better at cutting lines than running straight, Fevola was the opposite, so I've never thought he was suited playing deep forward and leading.
He's sort of multi dimensional with great anticipation, good hands and great defensive skills, a natural CHB in my opinion.
When he had that top season down back we still had Lance and Fev, it's sad that we simply no longer have that option.
Realistically it's lucky we're playing Melbourne, because if you glance at our best 22 and ask yourself which players can kick 4 goals plus it comes down to Waite and Jeffy with Walks playing down back.
Tomorrow could well be a nil all draw. ;)
I think Waite is one player who is better at cutting lines than running straight, Fevola was the opposite, so I've never thought he was suited playing deep forward and leading.
He's sort of multi dimensional with great anticipation, good hands and great defensive skills, a natural CHB in my opinion.
When he had that top season down back we still had Lance and Fev, it's sad that we simply no longer have that option.
Realistically it's lucky we're playing Melbourne, because if you glance at our best 22 and ask yourself which players can kick 4 goals plus it comes down to Waite and Jeffy with Walks playing down back.
Tomorrow could well be a nil all draw. ;)
I think Waite's best games have been as a HHF or Wingman, he runs opponents into the ground not unlike Riewoldt with continuous direction changes, short and long leads. But I am not sure Waite can keep doing that at his age though!
It's very quiet here for a Friday before a Saturday afternoon game, very little enthusiasm or interest.
It's very quiet here for a Friday before a Saturday afternoon game, very little enthusiasm or interest.
I think we're exhausted ;) ;D
There's a bit of a pause because tomorrow will be quite telling in how we respond.
Win well and there is some hope that things are not as bad as they seem.
If we struggle or lose this will not be a pleasant place.
It's very quiet here for a Friday before a Saturday afternoon game, very little enthusiasm or interest.
The pre Eseesdon game managed 16 pages this one's at 17.
I just can't get excited. If we win it's expected if we lose it's part of a bigger plan ::)
It's very quiet here for a Friday before a Saturday afternoon game, very little enthusiasm or interest.
I think we're exhausted ;) ;D
There's a bit of a pause because tomorrow will be quite telling in how we respond.
Win well and there is some hope that things are not as bad as they seem.
If we struggle or lose this will not be a pleasant place.
I'm expecting a win but only because the opposition is so weak, tomorrow's is not a strong team.
I'm hoping for a solid team performance and good showings from Menzel, Buckley and Cripps, I desperately need to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
If we win its because we believe we can win.
Just like we used to believe we could account for the Tigers and the Bombers.
Dont like the Waite dropping, I know he hasn't been good but he is still the best option forward. Rowe is a spud and shouldn't be pick before Waite.
Jeffy needed a spell, and Im having doubts about whether he is good enough anyway.
Lucas is a ball magnet, but I don't care. He is soft and couldnt hit a target to save his life, we have way too many ordinary kicks in the side as it is. In this dream team obsessed footy today, we are far to concerned with stats. The same with hit outs, if they don't go to advantage its like a turnover.
Scotland has been a great servant but he should have retired last year. For those watching closely last year he made way too many mistakes. I would rather have kept Laidler, but the great MM didn't think he was good enough. He walked into the powerful Sydney side but couldn't get a game with us. You stubborn old fool MM.
Still don't know why they havnt fixed Casbolts kicking style, he drops the ball from too high, why cant the skills coaches see that. He is an outstanding contested mark but wastes it with poor kicking.
Just for a change I would like to see us put pressure on the opposition. I hate giving up these little 15 metre passes. Put pressure on the guy with the ball and force him to kick to a contest, stop giving up the little pressure relieving passes. find your man and stand next to him.
I would expect to have an easy win this week, Melbourne coudnt have come at a better time. Please don't make Menzel the sub.
It's very quiet here for a Friday before a Saturday afternoon game, very little enthusiasm or interest.
The pre Eseesdon game managed 16 pages this one's at 17.
I just can't get excited. If we win it's expected if we lose it's part of a bigger plan ::)
I think this club is wearing us down - slowly
If we win its because we believe we can win.
Just like we used to believe we could account for the Tigers and the Bombers.
Amazing we used to own the Tigers under Ratts, now with pretty much the same two teams they get a 6 goal break on us every time.
Waite and Garlett have combined for a whopping 6 goals 10 behinds this year, i suspect if they had of kicked straight they might not have been dropped?
Just amusing myself here, but this is how i'd like to see us line up next week, and for the next 5 straight weeks without a change, barring injuries, and including the emergencies
Ins
Waite, Judd, Armfield, Wood,
Outs
Rowe, Warnock, Tuohy, Ellard
FB Everitt Jamison Buckley
HB Lucas Waite Robinson
C Simpson Judd Thomas
HF Gibbs Henderson Walker
FF Yarran Casboult Menzel
FOLL Wood Murphy Cripps
I/C Carrazzo Scotland Armfield Curnow
EMG Garlett Graham Giles Docherty Cachia Warnock
I would love to see this team and structure persisted with, without all the bulltish chopping and changing that MM loves to do. Let them settle FFS.
We used to chastise Ratts for doing too little during the game, and having no plan b, but FMD MM chops and changes way too much for my liking.
I would insist that we run and gun a little more, always play a loose man in defense to set up our forward thrusts, and use the quickest avenue to goal, the guts, whenever possible. Be aggresive without being stupid, tackle with intent and make sure that when the games done and dusted, they've just played a tough game against the famous old dark blues!
Thomas dropping back off the wing and playing the 7th defender, setting up play, Simmo pushing forward and becoming and extra mid/HHF
Gibbs, Hendo and Tex give us some serious marking and goalkicking power across the HF line, because lets face it, if we cant kick 90+ points every week, we are going to lose more than we win.
Yarran and Menzel give us great X-Factor around goals and The Bolt to bring it to ground for them or hell, maybe he could mark it himself and kick a goal, now theres a thought. Back-up ruck as well for Bolt. Wood can rest forward and is probably a more versatile option than Knockers.
The HB line is the most controversial, and rightly so, but i believe we will be a better team with Waite back and Walker and Gibbs forward. Lucas loves a run, why not give him a crack off HB, and Robinson well, i just thought it would be good to have someone flying back into packs with courage and giving him something different to do. He played the defensive forard role well on Feltcher a couple of times, why not turn him into a hard-nosed, tagger/defender.
Buckley to be persisted with i reckon, there is something about him that is special.
Cripps gives us size around the stoppage plus footy smarts and we have desperately been craving both, hopefully he can allow Judd and Murph to spend a little more time just outside the contest.
What are everyone's thoughts about my thoughts, I've thought a lot about all of this and am really interested in hearing everybody's opinions.
Be gentle :)
Good post BA, I have thought a bit about what you have thought about and there is one chink in the armour of your thoughts. MM changing his coaching ideals! ::)
Your ideas have merits, like playing the juniors and leaving the team settled for a period of time.
But while we have this horses for courses mentality it won't happen. Although I do believe you do need to inject new players to keep the regulars honest with their performance.
I do like the idea of Meat at FF and Hendo at CHF...and stay there. >:(
I have a good feeling about this game and I'm never wrong.... just mistaking regularly :-\
Blue skies, no rain on the radar, Big Levi to kick 5, The Extractor to be our second rising star in 3 weeks, Touy will line up anyone that goes within 50 m of Buckley.........Mick to smile at his post match press conference.
Have a good day folks!!
Whispers Robinson out for Graham
If we win its because we believe we can win.
Just like we used to believe we could account for the Tigers and the Bombers.
Amazing we used to own the Tigers under Ratts, now with pretty much the same two teams they get a 6 goal break on us every time.
Important to remember that we belted the snot out of them when it really mattered in September last. cheats.com.au has sailed past us due to their better list and chemical assistance. Our problems aren't the Senior Coach... as many here have identified, along with most experts, commentators and ex players and coaches.
If we win its because we believe we can win.
Just like we used to believe we could account for the Tigers and the Bombers.
Amazing we used to own the Tigers under Ratts, now with pretty much the same two teams they get a 6 goal break on us every time.
Important to remember that we belted the snot out of them when it really mattered in September last. cheats.com.au has sailed past us due to their better list and chemical assistance. Our problems aren't the Senior Coach... as many here have identified, along with most experts, commentators and ex players and coaches.
No, most experts have said we have gone backwards under Malthouse.
You haven't got much of a grip on reality have you.
Whispers Robinson out for Graham
A mate of mine told me the same thing.
If we win its because we believe we can win.
Just like we used to believe we could account for the Tigers and the Bombers.
Amazing we used to own the Tigers under Ratts, now with pretty much the same two teams they get a 6 goal break on us every time.
Important to remember that we belted the snot out of them when it really mattered in September last. cheats.com.au has sailed past us due to their better list and chemical assistance. Our problems aren't the Senior Coach... as many here have identified, along with most experts, commentators and ex players and coaches.
No, most experts have said we have gone backwards under Malthouse.
You haven't got much of a grip on reality have you.
anecdotal evidence will prove it otherwise.
as the rounds progress, if we don't perform - the answer is obvious
If we win its because we believe we can win.
Just like we used to believe we could account for the Tigers and the Bombers.
Amazing we used to own the Tigers under Ratts, now with pretty much the same two teams they get a 6 goal break on us every time.
Important to remember that we belted the snot out of them when it really mattered in September last. cheats.com.au has sailed past us due to their better list and chemical assistance. Our problems aren't the Senior Coach... as many here have identified, along with most experts, commentators and ex players and coaches.
No, most experts have said we have gone backwards under Malthouse.
You haven't got much of a grip on reality have you.
We have lost to three teams who finished ahead of us after the home and away rounds last season and if not for atrocious conversion we would have beaten Richmond, it hasn't been a disaster.
It's about what I expected because other teams don't just stand still and let us catch up, anyone expecting dramatic improvement this season was kidding themselves.
Malthouse will deliver if he's allowed to, but it won't happen in one or two seasons and it will involve some pain.
I think may of us were deceived preseason regarding the health of our list and the lack of a genuine preseason due to so many surgeries. Buckley had a full preseason and is playing like it.
We need more match time, luck with injuries and a good dose of confidence!!!
Late change:
Robbo out, Graham in...
Reckon Robbo has run his race at this Club.
Might be in and out of the Senior side for the rest of the year, but very much doubt he ll be at Carlton post 2014.
Late change:
Robbo out, Graham in...
Reckon Robbo has run his race at this Club.
Might be in and out of the Senior side for the rest of the year, but very much doubt he ll be at Carlton post 2014.
Robbo's problem is he just does not slow down. If he can't overcome his adrenalin i agree with you, if he can he's still a good player. He should do less rap and more breathing/meditation.
Late change:
Robbo out, Graham in...
Reckon Robbo has run his race at this Club.
Might be in and out of the Senior side for the rest of the year, but very much doubt he ll be at Carlton post 2014.
Also just heard the change... happy.
Nick, grab your chance son!
Late change:
Robbo out, Graham in...
Reckon Robbo has run his race at this Club.
Might be in and out of the Senior side for the rest of the year, but very much doubt he ll be at Carlton post 2014.
Or maybe he's been playing injured?
I m waiting for this game to start like no other in recent times
what's making me anxious, is how this team responds and their body language
First goal of the match to Murphy.
Go start with Murph and Casboult goaling...
Walker on Watts is an interesting match-up, Gibbs on Dawes may not tell us much about Gibbs given that Dawes has been out for ages.
Good grief, the standard of play at times is horrid
Hendo kicks another and we stretch our lead back out.
Menzel limping after marking on the boundary line, hope its not the knee.
Cripps is getting in amongst it which is great, he looks quite at home early in the match.
All our side, should be instructed to kick directly to the opposition because they won't hit them!
All our side, should be instructed to kick directly to the opposition because they won't hit them!
Haha.....not a bad idea lol
How bad are Melbourne, seriously.
Fudge!!!
All our side, should be instructed to kick directly to the opposition because they won't hit them!
Haha.....not a bad idea lol
How bad are Melbourne, seriously.
Getting better every minute, we love helping others!
Hope you are all enjoying this cr@p!! ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:(
Hate these farking games. I see no inspiration out there. We should be burying this mob. All we are doing is digging ourselves a hole.
Come on FFS!
>:(
Hope you are all enjoying this cr@p!! ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:(
Know how you feel. Melbourne are so bad it is almost embarrassing. Thankfully we always give away red zone goals away at the end of every corner. Sam Rowe...dear me....
Hope you are all enjoying this cr@p!! ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:(
Know how you feel. Melbourne are so bad it is almost embarrassing. Thankfully we always give away red zone goals away at the end of every corner. Sam Rowe...dear me....
I've got no idea what you mean about Rowe. According to Lodesy, Rowe always follows instructions!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) ;)
Dees just got robbed a goal by the video ump which would of put them in front.
We lead by a solitary point.
I feel farking sick :-X
They look tired and mentally shot. That's carlton I'm talking about.
Jones goals from the boundary and puts the Dees 5-points up, this has the makings of a major disaster of biblical proportions.
I'm off to Punt Rd to use their microwave #deflated
Hope you are all enjoying this cr@p!! ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:(
Know how you feel. Melbourne are so bad it is almost embarrassing. Thankfully we always give away red zone goals away at the end of every corner. Sam Rowe...dear me....
I've got no idea what you mean about Rowe. According to Lodesy, Rowe always follows instructions!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) ;)
When did I say that?
What I said was he may have maintained his spot because he followed instructions as opposed to Waite who may not have.
It was a suggested explanation not an emphatic statement.
Yarran and gibbs are so soft. They can f% $ right off.
Bail has marked in the middle of the 50m arc with no player within 20m of him - unacceptable on every possible level.
He misses the goal to make it a 6-point lead.
Curnow been disgraceful, mistake after mistake, Gibbs gone to lunch, what a rabble.
Hope you are all enjoying this cr@p!! ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:(
Know how you feel. Melbourne are so bad it is almost embarrassing. Thankfully we always give away red zone goals away at the end of every corner. Sam Rowe...dear me....
I've got no idea what you mean about Rowe. According to Lodesy, Rowe always follows instructions!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) ;)
O.K. ;D ;D
When did I say that?
What I said was he may have maintained his spot because he followed instructions as opposed to Waite who may not have.
It was a suggested explanation not an emphatic statement.
this is a disgrace
This is bullicrap
Does anyone think that under any circumstances,Waite should have been left out for Rowe??
Frawley off the ground puts the Dees up by 11-points and I'm feeling nauseous about the crap I'm watching.
nothing has changed
The dees have a sniff
Am I starting to see the towel being thrown in?
this is a disgrace
Yep. Obvious to me we need to sack 26 players after round 4.
Worst team in the comp!!
Hope you are all enjoying this cr@p!! ::) ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:( >:(
Know how you feel. Melbourne are so bad it is almost embarrassing. Thankfully we always give away red zone goals away at the end of every corner. Sam Rowe...dear me....
I've got no idea what you mean about Rowe. According to Lodesy, Rowe always follows instructions!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ;) ;) ;)
O.K. ;D ;D
When did I say that?
What I said was he may have maintained his spot because he followed instructions as opposed to Waite who may not have.
It was a suggested explanation not an emphatic statement.
You're forgiven :D.....This bloody team's not >:(.....If this is how they respond we're screwed.
WTF?!?!? What a joke, they can't even be bothered giving us a half arse effort
Enough's enough - Malthouse has lost this group. He has to go.
Murphy should also resign at half time as captain and start concentrating on getting a kick.
Does anyone think that under any circumstances,Waite should have been left out for Rowe??
This decision might actually FK MM
Also, even though he's a trier, Ellard is just not up to it.
Dunn marks at the top of the square and makes it three in a row with a 17-point lead, once again we look disinterested and unprepared to do the hard work, too many passengers.
Thomas & Menzel are off the ground with injuries, this is going pear-shaped badly.
We won't win a game this year, unfortunately my preseason prediction is looking good.
Enough's enough - Malthouse has lost this group. He has to go.
Murphy should also resign at half time as captain and start concentrating on getting a kick.
If they lose today, Malthouse will be sacked on Monday.
Enough's enough - Malthouse has lost this group. He has to go.
Murphy should also resign at half time as captain and start concentrating on getting a kick.
If they lose today, Malthouse will be sacked on Monday.
u reakon?
Yep !!
Are people surprised?
I guess Melbourne have a better list?
We have no forwards, and our Backline is terrible. Yeah let's drop Waite.
fkn $11.00 for a head to head!!
Enough's enough - Malthouse has lost this group. He has to go.
Murphy should also resign at half time as captain and start concentrating on getting a kick.
If they lose today, Malthouse will be sacked on Monday.
No he won't. He's set the agenda and supporters will continue blame the players.
Roos has out coached him again. How screwen bad are we when he's confident to play Frawley at FF :o
Half a chase then from Carrazo. You may have noticed that he didn't have his arms outstretched in an attempt to tackle just ran after the Melbourne player.
Murphy getting his pants pulled down by jones.
Bruise free footy or Blues free footy?
There's a difference between crap coaching and poor leadership. I'm no means defending mick, but srsly who is taking a stand on the field? Fk getting a KPP we need fkn leaders. In saying that poor selection choices for this match, would have never dropped Waite and garlett, yes Jeffey is out of form but we look so god dam slow
Murphy getting his pants pulled down by jones.
Is Murphy on the ground? I thought he and Gibbs had gone for lunch >:(
Bruise free footy or Blues free footy?
Drugs free footy?
Come on Davey, prove me wrong!!
Bruise free footy or Blues free footy?
Drugs free footy?
That's why it looks so bad ;)
The problem with davey is that he can't run a game out.
You really know times are tough when you're struggling to beat the Dees. Sorry Nasher......
Ellard works hard to reduce the margin to 3-points, still playing like a bunch of invalid pensioners.
Ellard has more heart than murphy, gibbs and yarran combined.
Please get rid of Lucas. made no attempt to tackle at all then. Weak pr!!k
I d love a picture in picture of MM
- one flew over the cuckoos nest
Murphy getting his pants pulled down by jones.
Is Murphy on the ground? I thought he and Gibbs had gone for lunch >:(
I don't know what game you're watching but Gibbs has had it 17 times and is actually running.
Peanuts, pumpkin territory!
ellard looks spent - poor cnt
only one not playing to the plying groups agenda
what ever the fk that is
Murphy getting his pants pulled down by jones.
Is Murphy on the ground? I thought he and Gibbs had gone for lunch >:(
I don't know what game you're watching but Gibbs has had it 17 times and is actually running.
Must have had it in the dressing room. Done nothing with it when he's got it.
4-points down at half-time in a thoroughly embarrassing & uncohesive performance.
in the rooms, what do you think Roos' message is going to be?
(http://cdn-1.freeclipartnow.com/d/39057-1/poison-sign.jpg)
Here lies the once great, now there is just poison!
Super coach has us close.
I hope his magic can drag us over the line.
;D
That all they have to do is run the game out and they will win by 8 goals
The club keeps telling the supporter base that they need people to sign up as members, in other words, show their commitment to the club yet the players run out and show this poop which is in a complete contrast to that.
in the rooms, what do you think Roos' message is going to be?
Whip those pussies!
in the rooms, what do you think Roos' message is going to be?
Hopefully he's telling them to tank.
Geelong, hawthorn, the Swans Collingwood, dare I mention them, Port, their mid-fields win games for them. they go in hard, and are the engine rooms of their teams.
When was the last time Gibbs, Murphy and any other Carlton mid, besides Judd won a game for us??
I feel like 150years
is going down the toilet fast
Any regular senior player who cannot at the absolute worst, match it with the Demons today clearly has no place at the Carlton Football Club.
They are a very poor unit and they are showing up a lot of our higher-priced players for what they really are, front-running soft and uncommitted squibs.
Gibbs has been busy and moving well around the stoppages. Been out best.
Melbourne has a better list..,
I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome Peter Wright to the Carlton Football Club.
Just don't expect to develop into an A grade footballer, Peter.
If we lose the best we can hope for is that it's the beginning of the end for the people running this club.
They are cooked.
I
Gibbs has been busy and moving well around the stoppages. Been out best.
Melbourne has a better list..,
You're obviously not at the game, has given up chasing or not even bothered on a number of occasions.
If we lose the best we can hope for is that it's the beginning of the end for the people running this club.
They are cooked.
I
Lose today and there will have to be some heads roll somewhere, a loss like this would not have been tolerated in the old days and nor should it in this current era.
gotta ask yourself why McGuire backed Bucks instead of MM
starting to see why
Gibbs has been busy and moving well around the stoppages. Been out best.
Melbourne has a better list..,
You're obviously not at the game, has given up chasing or not even bothered on a number of occasions.
Thank you. At least someone isn't wearing rose coloured glasses and can see what I'm seeing.
Not gonna lie, my ears are hurting possibly more than my eyes with these clowns commentating
Spencer outmarks Warnock easily ..... what next ??
Walker and yarran just keep butchering it and they're our quarterbacks lol.
Spencer outmarks Warnock easily ..... what next ??
Jamie Elliott outmarks Warnock easily....what's different??
Spencer outmarks Warnock easily ..... what next ??
Jamie Elliott outmarks Warnock easily....what's different??
Spencer is a gump which therefore makes Warnock an even bigger gump.
Ellard sh!!!t himself then
Spencer outmarks Warnock easily ..... what next ??
Jamie Elliott outmarks Warnock easily....what's different??
Spencer is a gump which therefore makes Warnock an even bigger gump.
Matthews stated Sandilands was over-rated, that makes Warnock irrelevant, yet he'll gets a big apologist pat on the back for 40 tap outs!
Piss weak by yarran.
Another goal to the Dees, we haven't kicked one yet.
Cannot see where the spark is going to come from now, even Yarran is just trying to add to his highlights reel with some long runs but the delivery after it I abysmal.
Another goal to the Dees, we haven't kicked one yet.
Cannot see where the spark is going to come from now, even Yarran is just trying to add to his highlights reel with some long runs but the delivery after it I abysmal.
Dees up by 16. We found our consistency. Play like we did against Essendon every week.
Bugger me, Dawes lands one from on 50m and the Dees are out to 16-points in front which in the context of the match is a huge lead.
Another goal to the Dees, we haven't kicked one yet.
Cannot see where the spark is going to come from now, even Yarran is just trying to add to his highlights reel with some long runs but the delivery after it I abysmal.
Casboult will save us! ;)
Our guys just aren't running as hard. Clean them all out.
Melbourne's list is better
The tribe has spoken....they don't give a screw ::)
(the swear filter doesn't interpret it quite the way I put it.)
I was there 50 years ago when we "celebrated" our 100th. Anniversary. We finished 10th.
We had a cr@p side, but at least they tried.
This mob are worse than anything I have seen since I started going to the football in 1957. :-[ :-[ :-[ >:( >:( >:(
Casboult will save us again! ;)
Murphy can only get a kick when the umpire gives him one.
I was there 50 years ago when we "celebrated" our 100th. Anniversary. We finished 10th.
We had a cr@p side, but at least they tried.
This mob are worse than anything I have seen since I started going to the football in 1957. :-[ :-[ :-[ >:( >:( >:(
Worst than before Mick took over ::)
Seriously dumb footballer Warnock!
Marc Murphy pathetic dive just outside 50m to lose the ball and cost a goal.
Nah we've improved.
Warnock has now been reported for striking with the resulting free kick to Bail is a goal, Dees out to 22-points.
Spencer was swinging punches as well though ?? ::)
Seriously dumb footballer Warnock!
The guy can't win here can he. I'd say dumb umpire who missed the 2 hits on Warnock first ::)
Can't believe how good their list is.
Any chance of the club throwing a sausage sizzle midweek for the fans ??
Seriously dumb footballer Warnock!
The guy can't win here can he. I'd say dumb umpire who missed the 2 hits on Warnock first ::)
He got sucked in.
Can't believe how good their list is.
Agree... Must be better than ours.
Melbourne is our bogey side!
as well as
Richmond
Essendon
Collingwood
Port Adelaide
Western Bulldogs
Hawthorn
Fremantle
West Coast
GWS
Gold Coast
Sydney
North Melbourne
Adelaide
Brisbane
Geelong
St Kilda
Mick must have a new plan in the tank!
Unfortunately I was expecting this.
I miss being optimistic about my football team
Seriously dumb footballer Warnock!
The guy can't win here can he. I'd say dumb umpire who missed the 2 hits on Warnock first ::)
He got sucked in.
only one person has been sucked in.
We are crap but the umps have made it a no contest.
Seriously dumb footballer Warnock!
The guy can't win here can he. I'd say dumb umpire who missed the 2 hits on Warnock first ::)
He got sucked in.
only one person has been sucked in.
The guy who rates him!
SOOOOOOOOOFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTT
hardest thing I've seen was warnocks so called "strike"
Even if we somehow conjure up a last quarter comeback and pinch the match, a high number of the coaches & players have been badly exposed as frauds and must be given their marching orders.
Thanks Mick for guiding this bunch of delusional footballers to a wooden spoon in our 150th year. Yeah no crisis!
Are the senior players going to have a talk about this effort in the rooms after the game? Wonder what recommendations they will have.
Seriously dumb footballer Warnock!
The guy can't win here can he. I'd say dumb umpire who missed the 2 hits on Warnock first ::)
He got sucked in.
only one person has been sucked in.
The ump got it wrong.
How many throws do you see get paid in a game?, we've had three against us.
How many times have the Dees just sat o the ball and not got HTB.? Weve had 4 or5 against.
Just crap.
Murph has been awful.
SOOOOOOOOOFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTT
hardest thing I've seen was warnocks so called "strike"
There are mums who have wiped their kids face with a wet thumb using more force than a Warnock punch!
Marc Murphy pathetic dive just outside 50m to lose the ball and cost a goal.
Worst captain in the AFL. Jones is making him his b!tch and he's playing like he's happy with that position.
Anyone know how the Bullants are going, reckon they maybe embarrassed and change their name dropping the Blues :-[
Marc Murphy pathetic dive just outside 50m to lose the ball and cost a goal.
Worst captain in the AFL. Jones is making him his b!tch and he's playing like he's happy with that position.
That was poor.
Any chance of the club throwing a sausage sizzle midweek for the fans ??
The coach has lost the sausages
Thanks Mick for guiding this bunch of delusional footballers to a wooden spoon in our 150th year. Yeah no crisis!
Wrong..
It's our list and we have improved.
How's buttifant going?
too much time at ciccone salon for these trannies
There are mums who have wiped their kids face with a wet thumb using more force than a Warnock punch!
Sadly that's true !!
Northern up by 3 goals!
There is going to be a ton of crap go down this week at Princes Park, heads have to roll now regardless of what happens in this last quarter.
Feel sorry for Cripps he's just realised what a $h1t team he's been drafted to
Northern up by 3 goals!
How many has Waite or Jeffy kicked?
Bell tearing it up according to twitter (https://twitter.com/NBluesFC).
McLean good.
Bell 2, Waite, Johnson, Thomas, Wood, White.
Garlett 0
1/2 time!
We're not the team we were in the first quarter against Port or in the last quarter against Richmond.
You don't just lose that.
It's not a skill thing it's an attitude and intensity thing and the question is....why?
They gave us the 'video apology', they gave us the "we're embarrassed", they also gave us the "we'll come back hard this week" and none of it has happened.
The only thing left is to axe some people, the message just isn't strong enough to have an effect just yet.
It would be an insult to Preston to send Murphy and Gibbs there.
Simpson must be made captain. At least he has a few vertebra.
Umpires evening up the frees, and we are to stoopid to take advantage.
It would be an insult to Preston to send Murphy and Gibbs there.
Simpson must be made captain. At least he has a few vertebra.
Simpson would probably be prouder to captain Preston!
17-points down, 10-mins into the last with no real system or purpose.
They gave us the 'video apology', they gave us the "we're embarrassed", they also gave us the "we'll come back hard this week" and none of it has happened.
The only thing left is to axe some people, the message just isn't strong enough to have an effect just yet.
to be fair Sticks did say pre game to watch how we will come out the first 10 mins. Only problem is Mick forgot to tell them to keep go after the 10 mins :P
Great coaching - lets's not pick any tall players on a dry day. Supercoach my arse.
Dawes and Frawley have killed us. I just can't believe this train wreck.
Bruise free footy!
Great coaching - lets's not pick any tall players on a dry day. Supercoach my arse.
Dawes and Frawley have killed us. I just can't believe this train wreck.
We can rely on the gameplan though...
If Watts kicks this, its all over.
They gave us the 'video apology', they gave us the "we're embarrassed", they also gave us the "we'll come back hard this week" and none of it has happened.
The only thing left is to axe some people, the message just isn't strong enough to have an effect just yet.
to be fair Sticks did say pre game to watch how we will come out the first 10 mins. Only problem is Mick forgot to tell them to keep go after the 10 mins :P
sticks also said "don't judge us until next week"
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Get with the plan!
Great coaching - lets's not pick any tall players on a dry day. Supercoach my arse.
Dawes and Frawley have killed us. I just can't believe this train wreck.
We can rely on the gameplan though...
its been working for him for 30 years apparently.
What an utter disgrace
Game over now !!!
22-points down 14-mins into the last.
I'm starting to think Mick wants us to lose, to really put the acid to the players.
I'm starting to think Mick wants us to lose, to really put the acid to the players.
he's not going to get that opportunity I m afraid
I'm starting to think Mick wants us to lose, to really put the acid to the players.
He's not that smart or capable of engineering it.
We are utter bull dust >:(
These commentators $hit me. As if we're going to pile on 4 goals in 9 minutes!!
I can understand why MM was so relaxed during the week.
He is about to get a multi-million dollar hand shake!
Targets in board, targets in board, targets in board.
Our guys hold it and give it up going own the line.
Just pathetic.
I'm starting to think Mick wants us to lose, to really put the acid to the players.
Just quietly someone should tell him it's not working.
Best go and get ready for the Post Match thread.....It's going to be long night. :(
These commentators $hit me. As if we're going to pile on 4 goals in 9 minutes!!
Of course we will, we've only kicked 6 for the remainder of the game but that is irrelevant.
I can understand why MM was so relaxed during the week.
He is about to get a multi-million dollar hand shake!
rather fight him through the courts for it
The are no words to describe this.
I'm still struggling to imagine what Mick could do with The Dees list..
I actually don't know why I'm still watching this.
Targets in board, targets in board, targets in board.
Our guys hold it and give it up going own the line.
Just pathetic.
You keep Your spot playing to instructions.
Review tape will be easy to compile, all 120 minutes.
The are no words to describe this.
I was going to write "Netball", but that is disrespectful to netball players who are far harder at it!
These commentators $hit me. As if we're going to pile on 4 goals in 9 minutes!!
Of course we will, we've only kicked 6 for the remainder of the game but that is irrelevant.
It's Bsil Zemplas, he of the massive shnoz. The man failed playtime in kindergarten
These blokes cannot tackle, wait off their opponents, just completely shot.
Only ONE GOOD THING OUT OF THIS.
PROVIDED CRIPPS IS PREPARED TO STAY AT THE CLUB, HE's A FUTURE STAR.
I am not a young man any more.
I just hope that God, or whomever is control of this world, will let me live long enough to see Walker actually hit a target!!!
:D :D :D I have to laugh, because watching this will make me cry.
I am not a young man any more.
I just hope that God, or whomever is control of this world, will let me live long enough to see Walker actually hit a target!!!
;D I feel ya bro!
Please lock up your firearms, the sun rises tomorrow! :o
Fk off Mouldhouse you're destroying our club.
Walkers disposal under Ratten was elite.
Chalk up another victoy to ol' powder balls.
whos got the manure and trailer?
Pagan was better.
Grimes looks elite and quick against us!
If nothing else we are consistent. Our players are a disgrace and our pathetic admin will probably sack another coach. Congratulations CFC.
Looking forward to hearing Finey tonight ;D
Haretuku, the tall clunking forward who cannot get a game in AFL is turning the game against NB!