Geez Yarran was complete and utter rubbish tonight. As was Casboult. As was Tutt. We probably still should have won the game. Losing Everitt and Cripps killed us.
Henderson is not a 600k forward and actually looks more comfortable in defence.
Nicky Graham another great game bar for two awful handballs. TBH if we are going isnide 50m I want the ball in his hands. Can hit up a target.
Boekhurst = Lucas 2015
Barker will fix some of our problems. We looked a little flat and under-estimated our opponents. Once we lost confidence and self belief, the game just fell away and we went back to the Malthouse way of footy. Missing Gibbs, Carrazzo and then losing Cripps and Everitt killed our chances. An ugly night of footy by both teams. We were just uglier and we were killed in many areas after half time. Clearances, contested football just to name a few. ;)
We had half our reserves out there.
Armfield was huge if only he had have taken his chances.
We were Caleb Danieled.....Yarran was woeful on him...
Tutt..useless
Boekhorst...disgraceful
Johnson...not up to AFL standard..
Whiley..lacks in most skill areas except tackling
Kruezer and Wood won the hitouts but had zero other influence
Simpson was ordinary
Henderson isnt strong enough...in reverse the kid down the other end Redpath is a bull, no wonder they gave us Jones.
Casboult was crape...
Army....gives his best allbeit he lacks class but keeps on keeping on..
Curnows disposal is just rubbish
Bells disposal wasnt much better than Curnow's tonoght..
Cripps, Graham, Touhy were good, Murphy tried hard but didnt impact or create much, Buckley ok at times.....
Boekhurst = Lucas 2015
Your only contribution on two sites.
I actually think he'll be handy player, first game back in an intensive game.
We had zero run after half time and still only lost by a goal and a half.
Decent fitness coach and we win that game even with all the kids we played.
Judging by the last quarter, it was one of those games that had "blah" written all over it.
Hard to believe the Dogs will stay in the 8 with that sort of drivel. Really they weren't much better than us.
We had half our reserves out there.
Armfield was huge if only he had have taken his chances.
Armfield rushes too much. I like what he brings to the side. We need him because we lost Betts. He will never be a Betts, but he is the best small forward we have at the moment. Needs to focus and not rush his chances.
We stunk it up, a low standard game and we didn't look like winning it.
It was Tuohy then daylight really, maybe Buckley as well who at least showed some spark but the rest of them were putrid.
The last fortnight it's been hard to find a weak player, this week they were thick on the ground.
Boekhurst, seriously, what were we thinking?
Tutt, like Jones why did we think a Footscray reject would be any good?
Johnson, no tricks, no pace, limited skills, VFL standard.
Whiley, meh.
Curnow goes OK but he's the worst kick at the club, possibly the worst in the AFL.
Casboult, it's a mark or it's nothing.
Armfield, pacy, has a red hot go, skills are as rough as guts.
Holman, maybe, there's a glimmer of hope there.
Half a dozen who just aren't up to AFL standard and that's being generous to a couple of others like White and Wood, there's a very long way to go.
Boekhorst a big let down. So many players played poorly but the effort was still there from most of them. At least we get Gibbs back next week. We're going to need him.
1. Decent effort but the lack of ability to score in the second half was concerning.
2. The Doggies might be the most over rated team in the comp.
3. can't afford to play all of Boekhorst, Holman, Whiley and Johnson in the same side until they start showing that they belong at this level.
4. Cripps needs to have less responsibility heaped on his young shoulders.
5. Gibbs in and we probably would have won.
All the above considered that game turned when Everett went off. it might have helped had we used the ball better too.
We lacked a lot of class tonight. No Judd, Daisy, Gibbs, Menzel, Carrazzo, Rowe (or Ellard! :P )
Everitt was subbed out early, Cripps spent a fair amount of time off the ground and we still only lost by 11 points !!
Holman had a crack, Whiley tried hard to get involved when he came on, but Tutt and Johnson didn't do anywhere near enough. You have to find ways to get more involved in the game, eg Caleb Daniel, he knows how to do it! ::)
Boekhurst while quiet tonight, I think will get better, I have faith!
Touhy was good, Yarran wasn't allowed any space, Simpson, Murph, Bell, Graham and Buckley all tried hard, Cripps was going well until his injury.
It's hard for tall forwards to shine when there is no/poor delivery of the ball into F50. I thought Hendo tried hard, although none of our big guys stood out for me tonight.
Overall I thought our effort was good, our skills let us down, the Doggies are very good at applying pressure.
Nothing to be overly embarrassed about, except for that fumble between Wood and Casboult in the forward line.
It's another games experience for some of our younger players, some are showing promise, some not so much.
Another big test next week, here's hoping they are all up for the challenge.
Go Blues !!
We stunk it up, a low standard game and we didn't look like winning it.
It was Tuohy then daylight really, maybe Buckley as well who at least showed some spark but the rest of them were putrid.
The last fortnight it's been hard to find a weak player, this week they were thick on the ground.
Boekhurst, seriously, what were we thinking?
Tutt, like Jones why did we think a Footscray reject would be any good?
Johnson, no tricks, no pace, limited skills, VFL standard.
Whiley, meh.
Curnow goes OK but he's the worst kick at the club, possibly the worst in the AFL.
Casboult, it's a mark or it's nothing.
Armfield, pacy, has a red hot go, skills are as rough as guts.
Holman, maybe, there's a glimmer of hope there.
Half a dozen who just aren't up to AFL standard and that's being generous to a couple of others like White and Wood, there's a very long way to go.
Good bit about is we didn't play great all but still could've won against a side a game off top 4 after 13 matches with a very undermanned side. We'd have lost that by 11 goals 7 weeks ago, not 11 points. would've been nice to have been 3 goals up at half time, would've come out with a different mindset. We should've anyway.
Crap game all round but we were due for a game where we were not switched on properly, not that that should happen but it does. Won't kick that habit overnight. As long as we are back on the ball next week and eventually eradicate the fault.
Miss after miss after miss after miss.....and that doesn't include the ones out on the full.
Kick a few more goals and its a different result.
Kick a few more early on, like in the second quarter, and its a hugely different result.
We've had similar problems all year and years previous. That's what happens when you have too many guys who can't kick....it gets infectious and hurts the ones that can.
Still should've won, but didn't.
I hope this isn't the end of the honeymoon period as we seemed to lapse back into 'old carlton' for large chunks of the game with too many passengers.
People who feared that winning may somehow paper over the cracks on our list and make SOS and co over estimate the list, no longer need to worry. Our deficiencies where laid out for all to see tonight.
Bad kicking is bad football.
Blew any chance of a win in the 2nd and 3rd terms with bad kicking for goal.
Love Curnow's effort, but boy is he a butcher of the ball.
Levi needs to learn how to kick bananas. Has missed all 3 opps he s had at it in the past 2 matches.
Armfield needs to be less hungry, but love his tenacity.
Another good game by Bucks, 2E and Nick G.
Jamo solid on his return.
White isn't nowhere near Key Position backman.
Cant take a trick with injuries this year. Last week it was Menz and Doc This week its Dre and Cripps.
Holman and BB. Meh. No impact. Yet to grasp their chances at senior level but worth persisting with.
Whiley also has shown little from the chances he s been given. Being the sub isn't an excuse. Look what that midget Caleb Daniel did when he came on.
Feel sorry from Blain J. Finally fights his way into the senior side, and the ball keeps getting delivered into 50 like a frisby on a windy day.
Haha, the stats tell me Tutt had 17 touches. :o
I must have blinked for about 15 of them, maybe I was a bit harsh on him.
Other interesting stats were, we managed to out tackle them 71-65, Kreuzer was quiet with only 7 touches.
I'm all for omens. Last time the Bulldogs beat us we beat Richmond the next week...lol.
People who feared that winning may somehow paper over the cracks on our list and make SOS and co over estimate the list, no longer need to worry. Our deficiencies where laid out for all to see tonight.
Agree....we probably got lucky Ablett didnt play last week given the Suns efforts this week with him back in the team and firing up....
SOS will have his work cut out ...
Agree....we probably got lucky Ablett didnt play last week given the Suns efforts this week with him back in the team and firing up....
SOS will have his work cut out ...
Games like tonight will help him know who to cut loose.
Boekhurst = Lucas 2015
Have to agree, doesn't seem to have much awareness either
I knew we wouldn't win after Wood had a clear shot and handballed to Casboult who wasn't looking. Especially when we missed countless sitting duck shots before it.
Still, we started the game under the old style of game, refusing to look to the middle, which was sorted in the second half.
Win for Barker but he hurt his chances big time in the second half ith zero answer for the Doggie's Caleb. We just couldn't get it to the centre of the ground. We needed Casboult to take marks on the wing but nothing.
I liked Holman's game. Graham continues to grow and I think Cripps has now shown he is ready to be the captain when the new coach is appointed.
Yarran is playing angry, he's not good when he plays angry.
Some disappointing aspects to the game but I think most of us would havesaid within 2 goals and 70+ tackles would have been a good result before the game.
Jamison was very good .
2E was brilliant.
Couple of posters have written these two guys off repeatedly over the last two years and they were great.
I have similar faith in a few blokes written off tonight.
Dickheads say "Play the Kids" , so we play the kids and some don't have great games so they say "he's crap"
Not enough brains to fill a small sausage casing .
Some disappointing aspects to the game but I think most of us would havesaid within 2 goals and 70+ tackles would have been a good result before the game.
I would have, except that Foorscray played nearly as badly as we did, a top side would have beaten either of us by 10 goals.
Wasn't someone on here into Caleb Daniels last draft? They thought he would make a good player? Why aren't you head of recruiting ?
Haha, the stats tell me Tutt had 17 touches. :o
I must have blinked for about 15 of them, maybe I was a bit harsh on him.
Other interesting stats were, we managed to out tackle them 71-65, Kreuzer was quiet with only 7 touches.
I don't think you were too harsh.
Tutt couldn't get a game for Footscray last season and he hasn't improved; poor decision making, average disposal and too easily beaten in one on one contests.
I know that he nominated us as his club of choice but I really don't understand how he ended up on our list. I guess he was only one of several strange list management decisions.
Wasn't someone on here into Caleb Daniels last draft? They thought he would make a good player? Why aren't you head of recruiting ?
Crashlander who does most of the u18 player reviews pre-draft really wanted CD and had to work hard to convince most of us he was worth
recruiting given his size....and he was right and deserves full credit for identifying him as a player who would make it against the odds.
The kid has the same nous we give Cripps credit for just in a smaller wrapper....think he will be a very good player for the Dogs and maybe he will give
the opportunity to some other smaller kids next draft rather than than being passed over for the taller mids...
A reality check tonight.
while I'm yet to watch much of the game, having only caught the last bit (broken internet in switzerland, how can it be!), it showed that we have the same deficiencies we have known about for a long time. And that's fine. Let's be under no illusions.
Skills under pressure and decision making are the difference between the good sides and the likes of us and the other also rans, bulldogs included. We know that new players have to be brought in, and that improvement will come gradually and slowly. Our younger players get to play and develop, and some criticism of first year players is hardly fair.
The AFL is a big step up, and it has become more so in recent years. Its demands require a few years of development and it is rare that a 19 year old can have much of an impact for more than just a few games. The gradual improvement of buckly, docherty and bell for example demonstrates how long it takes. All are becoming good footballers most of all by better decision making and skills under pressure, and reducing mistakes. Cripps will have his down games too over the next couple of years too, regardless of injuries.
A plus, despite the loss, is that the tackles were up, and we restricted scoring against too rather than getting holes punched in us. Suggests that we are maintaining structure much better, indicating commitment and better understanding of responsibilities.
Caleb Daniel will be a footballing curiosity.
He may even reach Jake Kings lofty heights, before being delisted for a real footballer.
We were Caleb Danieled.....Yarran was woeful on him...
Tutt..useless
Boekhorst...disgraceful
Johnson...not up to AFL standard..
Whiley..lacks in most skill areas except tackling
Kruezer and Wood won the hitouts but had zero other influence
Simpson was ordinary
Henderson isnt strong enough...in reverse the kid down the other end Redpath is a bull, no wonder they gave us Jones.
Casboult was crape...
Army....gives his best allbeit he lacks class but keeps on keeping on..
Curnows disposal is just rubbish
Bells disposal wasnt much better than Curnow's tonoght..
Cripps, Graham, Touhy were good, Murphy tried hard but didnt impact or create much, Buckley ok at times.....
Elwood, I was there, and your summary, well, it sums it up.
Yeah we lost players, but I can tell you this.
They are going through this mob with a fine tooth comb.
If Henderson wants to go, there would be little opposition, but he'll probably stay because he can't pack mark to save his life and he plays one reasonable game, and goes missing in the rest. And the other clubs know it!!!
Yarran may well be traded. He's not a shadow of his former self, and when, in the third quarter he was 50 out from goal, and instead of taking the shot, passed the ball to a contest, that said it all for me and I'm sure those in authority at our Club know what I mean,. I'll leave it at that.
Murphy. He ain't Ablett, or judd, or going back in time, the Dominator, or Sellwood, or Hodge, he isn 't any of those.
Mark Murphy will never rise to the occasion and win a game off his boot for us. Yes, he'll have some very good games, but when you want him to be a frigging Captain and inspire, he is incapable of doing the job. AND as he has been doing for years now, will turn the ball over time and again. he needs to be replaced as captain next year. I would have no hesitation giving the job to Cripps. yes, he's young and inexperienced, but what a phenomenal player. I saw him yell at our blokes to get on their opponents. On one occasion, he went at the ball in a pack situation 3 times and got it out with sheer will and determination. What an example to players much older, supposedly wiser and far more experienced than him.
I recall when they put Gibbs in the leadership group as an 18 year or 19 year old. Gibbs was never the type of player that should have been there. Much like Sam Rowe today. Cripps is worth 22 Gibbs'. He's the future, make him the Captain next year.
Wood moves like a log of, well, wood.
Some of our turnovers from experienced players like Simmo and the open mouthed Curnow, were inexcusable. Casboult was asleep. Bell,did what bell does. One good game, last weeks, one cr@p game, this weeks. And his disposal is worse than my 2 year old grand daughters.
I actually thought the back line functioned far better with Jammo and Touhey back there and Rowe out. Add Docherty to it, and they would have gone close tonight. They really withstood a lot of pressure.
As I said, Elwood, you summed up the cr@ppy players well. But I have to say that Graham was ordinary tonight, and a major weakness in his game was on display. he can't think quickly enough, and at this point in time, he doesn't have the gift of a football brain. In other words, he aint good enough and it remains to be seen if he ever will be. I thought Holmann was ordinary too.
I have to say something about Boekhoerst. Nup, I better not. He'll sue me.
I would love to have known what barker said to the players before the game and at the breaks.
He says he's not coaching for the job, but I don't believe that. I reckon it's human nature for him to want to have the job.
To me, the instructions should have been simple. You kick backwards unless it's absolutely necessary, you get fined $500 out of your pay. Take the game on for the 120 minutes. No stupid short passing. take responsibility to kick a goal if you have the opportunity. etc. Etc
What I got out of tonight, is that the Dogs are an ordinary team.
We carried at least 12 passengers tonight together with injuries, and they only fell in.
Against a hawthorn, however,, we would have been slaughtered tonight.
We still have to keep playing the youngsters and see what the next two and a half moths produces.
The fact is that SOS has got a huge job., 15 years of neglect and incompetence is a lot to overcome.
From what I know, they are seeing exactly what we are seeing, and expect a decent clean out at the end of the year.
The pressure is on them to do a hell of a lot better.
I want to see another flag in my lifetime.
And I will curse them from hell, coz I reckon I've got a room booked there already, if they don't deliver me one before I depart this planet.
I missed the game but the result wasn't as bad as it could've been. Carrazzo, Docherty, Menzel and Rowe were massive outs and losing Everitt and Cripps just compounded that. (add Gibbs too).
We don't bat past about 12th on a good day and with those outs it was always going to be ugly.
Boekhurst looked lost at this level. The boys did show plenty of endeavour though.
Worst standard game I've attended all year bar none, fecking terrible. If that mob is top 8, I'll go eat mud......I mean seriously, put some sustained pressure on that team and they turn to schit.
Holman.....yes. Boekhorst.....no. Whiley.......no. Johnson......hell no.
Our forwards were mostly rubbish, especially without Everitt. Too many injuries to cover.....by halfway through the last quarter, we had 7 players missing from last week's team.....that's a third of the team and that's a tough ask for any team.
Kreuzer was just plain awful.....really awful and that also hurt us. Then there's the kicking for goal.....again. Kick the goals we should've kicked and we win that game.
Tuohy was huge and Graham is now a must-have midfielder. Could've, should've won this one.
Elwood, I was there, and your summary, well, it sums it up.
Yeah we lost players, but I can tell you this.
They are going through this mob with a fine tooth comb.
If Henderson wants to go, there would be little opposition, but he'll probably stay because he can't pack mark to save his life and he plays one reasonable game, and goes missing in the rest. And the other clubs know it!!!
Yarran may well be traded. He's not a shadow of his former self, and when, in the third quarter he was 50 out from goal, and instead of taking the shot, passed the ball to a contest, that said it all for me and I'm sure those in authority at our Club know what I mean,. I'll leave it at that.
Murphy. He ain't Ablett, or judd, or going back in time, the Dominator, or Sellwood, or Hodge, he isn 't any of those.
Mark Murphy will never rise to the occasion and win a game off his boot for us. Yes, he'll have some very good games, but when you want him to be a frigging Captain and inspire, he is incapable of doing the job. AND as he has been doing for years now, will turn the ball over time and again. he needs to be replaced as captain next year. I would have no hesitation giving the job to Cripps. yes, he's young and inexperienced, but what a phenomenal player. I saw him yell at our blokes to get on their opponents. On one occasion, he went at the ball in a pack situation 3 times and got it out with sheer will and determination. What an example to players much older, supposedly wiser and far more experienced than him.
I recall when they put Gibbs in the leadership group as an 18 year or 19 year old. Gibbs was never the type of player that should have been there. Much like Sam Rowe today. Cripps is worth 22 Gibbs'. He's the future, make him the Captain next year.
Wood moves like a log of, well, wood.
Some of our turnovers from experienced players like Simmo and the open mouthed Curnow, were inexcusable. Casboult was asleep. Bell,did what bell does. One good game, last weeks, one cr@p game, this weeks. And his disposal is worse than my 2 year old grand daughters.
I actually thought the back line functioned far better with Jammo and Touhey back there and Rowe out. Add Docherty to it, and they would have gone close tonight. They really withstood a lot of pressure.
As I said, Elwood, you summed up the cr@ppy players well. But I have to say that Graham was ordinary tonight, and a major weakness in his game was on display. he can't think quickly enough, and at this point in time, he doesn't have the gift of a football brain. In other words, he aint good enough and it remains to be seen if he ever will be. I thought Holmann was ordinary too.
I have to say something about Boekhoerst. Nup, I better not. He'll sue me.
I would love to have known what barker said to the players before the game and at the breaks.
He says he's not coaching for the job, but I don't believe that. I reckon it's human nature for him to want to have the job.
To me, the instructions should have been simple. You kick backwards unless it's absolutely necessary, you get fined $500 out of your pay. Take the game on for the 120 minutes. No stupid short passing. take responsibility to kick a goal if you have the opportunity. etc. Etc
What I got out of tonight, is that the Dogs are an ordinary team.
We carried at least 12 passengers tonight together with injuries, and they only fell in.
Against a hawthorn, however,, we would have been slaughtered tonight.
We still have to keep playing the youngsters and see what the next two and a half moths produces.
The fact is that SOS has got a huge job., 15 years of neglect and incompetence is a lot to overcome.
From what I know, they are seeing exactly what we are seeing, and expect a decent clean out at the end of the year.
The pressure is on them to do a hell of a lot better.
I want to see another flag in my lifetime.
And I will curse them from hell, coz I reckon I've got a room booked there already, if they don't deliver me one before I depart this planet.
Worst long post I've read in 10 years.
Worst long post I've read in 10 years.
And cimm1979 goes WHACK!
Worst standard game I've attended all year bar none, fecking terrible. If that mob is top 8, I'll go eat mud......I mean seriously, put some sustained pressure on that team and they turn to schit.
Holman.....yes. Boekhorst.....no. Whiley.......no. Johnson......hell no.
Our forwards were mostly rubbish, especially without Everitt. Too many injuries to cover.....by halfway through the last quarter, we had 7 players missing from last week's team.....that's a third of the team and that's a tough ask for any team.
Kreuzer was just plain awful.....really awful and that also hurt us. Then there's the kicking for goal.....again. Kick the goals we should've kicked and we win that game.
Tuohy was huge and Graham is now a must-have midfielder. Could've, should've won this one.
Seriously mate an 11 point loss without Walker, Gibbs, Menzel, Docherty, Rowe, Carazzo, Ellard, Thomas and an injured Everitt and Cripps is hardly soul crushing stuff. Boekhorst was the only really substandard performance. Whiley, Johnson and Holman deserve another crack.
Jamison was very good .
2E was brilliant.
Couple of posters have written these two guys off repeatedly over the last two years and they were great.
I have similar faith in a few blokes written off tonight.
Dickheads say "Play the Kids" , so we play the kids and some don't have great games so they say "he's crap"
Not enough brains to fill a small sausage casing .
Agree.
That's how it works isn't it? Play the kids, then they play a bad games, no good, career finished. Bet every one of those kids played better than Simmo did in his first 3 games. Imagine at that time how he would've been written off as useless, not up to it, rubbish etc...after doughnuts the first 3 games. If people want kids played take the good with the bad in the early days as their will be bad days. We'll find out eventually if they're not up to it we'll soon know. Supporters never learn for one day to the next.
If Henderson wants to go, there would be little opposition, but he'll probably stay because he can't pack mark to save his life and he plays one reasonable game, and goes missing in the rest. And the other clubs know it!!!
Spot on. Waaaaaaayyyyy overrated.
Yarran may well be traded. He's not a shadow of his former self, and when, in the third quarter he was 50 out from goal, and instead of taking the shot, passed the ball to a contest, that said it all for me and I'm sure those in authority at our Club know what I mean,. I'll leave it at that.
Just a pi55weak lazy game from Yarran. If he's not carrying an injury he should be gone.
Murphy. He ain't Ablett, or judd, or going back in time, the Dominator, or Sellwood, or Hodge, he isn 't any of those.
Mark Murphy will never rise to the occasion and win a game off his boot for us. Yes, he'll have some very good games, but when you want him to be a frigging Captain and inspire, he is incapable of doing the job. AND as he has been doing for years now, will turn the ball over time and again. he needs to be replaced as captain next year. I would have no hesitation giving the job to Cripps. yes, he's young and inexperienced, but what a phenomenal player. I saw him yell at our blokes to get on their opponents. On one occasion, he went at the ball in a pack situation 3 times and got it out with sheer will and determination. What an example to players much older, supposedly wiser and far more experienced than him.
I think you're a little harsh on Murph, thought he won some pretty tough ball in there last night. Disposal is slightly overrated. Gimme the ball in the hands of Nicky G any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Wood moves like a log of, well, wood.
TBF I thought Kreuzer was slower.
Some of our turnovers from experienced players like Simmo and the open mouthed Curnow, were inexcusable.
Simpsons turnover when he was coming out of defence was a disgrace. Curnover name says it all.
Casboult was asleep. Bell,did what bell does. One good game, last weeks, one cr@p game, this weeks. And his disposal is worse than my 2 year old grand daughters.
Bell is an awful kick of the footy. Great in pretty much every other area except the one that counts most.
As I said, Elwood, you summed up the cr@ppy players well. But I have to say that Graham was ordinary tonight, and a major weakness in his game was on display. he can't think quickly enough, and at this point in time, he doesn't have the gift of a football brain. In other words, he aint good enough and it remains to be seen if he ever will be. I thought Holmann was ordinary too.
Disagree immensely. Pretty much the only bloke capable of lacing out a pass inside 50m. Thought he was excellent.
A reality check tonight.
Not really, a reality check would've been losing with Gibbs, Carazzo, Docherty, Judd, Menzel, Everitt, Cripps, Rowe et al in the side. Or perhaps getting beat by 10 goals. Instead we were undermanned but still put in a fair effort and in the end should've won, with our lack of polish costing us more than anything else. Pretty much everyone agreed that we would struggle to win with that team out there and that at least a fair effort was required, which we put in.
Instead we were undermanned but still put in a fair effort and in the end should've won, ..........
I just don't get this at all.
We should have won if we kicked straighter, didn't turn the ball over, hit up our targets, ran and spread better, or all of these and a few more?
In short, we should have won if we played better.
Agree.
That's how it works isn't it? Play the kids, then they play a bad games, no good, career finished. Supporters never learn for one day to the next.
Johnson was pick 40 odd in the rookie draft of 2013, history tells us that it's highly unlikely that he'll make the grade at AFL level, Boekhurst and Whiley aren't kids.
Same goes for Jaksch, third year at senior level and he's anchored in the VFL, was pick 7 a good price?
Holman shows a bit, not a lot but enough to persevere with, the other four look very ordinary to me.
I just don't get this at all.
We should have won if we kicked straighter, didn't turn the ball over, hit up our targets, ran and spread better, or all of these and a few more?
In short, we should have won if we played better.
Okay, just kick straight and we win. No doubt about that. Do you get it now? I know you'd rather have people believe the sky is falling because that's what you've been preaching for a while but it simply isn't the case.
Pinched this off BF.
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Gradual improvement. Fork off Mick you imbecile.
I like that Barks said he wasn't into honourable losses. Good stuff. It was an honourable loss but so what. We want to be into winning.
There is a palpable culture growing in this group and it is a culture of sustained hardness that we've not seen from our club for many, many years.
Boekhorst is probably the only 'kid' who really worries me, but perhaps this kind of game didn't suit a 'one-way' outside player. Serious doubts over whether this high pick can make it. Has to learn a lot and change a lot to be a part of the culture that is growing.
We only lost this game due to terrible, fundamental errors and missing a few key blokes. What a pity Juddy didn't get to play in this culture, he would have torn it up.
Hard to cop a loss but I would rather our future than the Dishlickers.
I left Etihad feeling a bit disappointed and frozen! However I wasn't devastated and I think we could have got up had we have kicked better for goal - I looked at the scoreboard at one stage and we were 4.11.
Much of the story has already been written but overall, our defence held its own, especially Tuohy and Jamo, our midfield were probably beaten on the night (haven't checked all the stats). Murphy had a tough night and received a lot of attention. Cripps was really a shining light and Graham is emerging as a very important contributor for us. Kreuz had one of his more ordinary games. Our forward division was our major let down and where we really lost the game IMHO. We were ragged and that comedy sketch between Wood and Casboult just about summed it up for me. When Everitt was injured that was about end of story in terms of any hope. We need major improvements here as a matter of highest priority.
It's pretty obvious we are methodically sorting the sheep from the goats whilst trying not to be run over by crushing defeat so I guess last night wasn't too bad in terms of effort and staying with them until the finish. Richmond will be a tougher job of course and getting a stronger 22 out there, including Gibbs, will be essential if we are not to be embarrassed.
Also, looks like Cripps and Everitt's injuries aren't serious
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-05/blues-hopeful-key-duo-escaped-serious-injury
A game that we lost not the Bulldogs winning.
Boekhorst is such a carbon copy of Lucas it is scary. He along with Curnow and Johnson were involved in a couple of passages of play when we were on top and they just failed to hit targets and stuffed both plays up.
How a full time recruiter with the experience of drafting Lucas before and watching an inordinate amount of games can still pick Boekhorst I have no idea. Just another ticks all the boxes has some speed, has some size, has some skill jack of all trades master of none pick. That's why Gibbs' career has stalled because they actually don't excel in anything. If you look at Hawthorn and Sydney etc all their palyers they pick actually excel at one particular aspect.
Graham is a gun though, reminds me of Sam Mitchell a bit just a real natural footballer.
Seriously mate an 11 point loss without Walker, Gibbs, Menzel, Docherty, Rowe, Carazzo, Ellard, Thomas and an injured Everitt and Cripps is hardly soul crushing stuff. Boekhorst was the only really substandard performance. Whiley, Johnson and Holman deserve another crack.
Ummmm......never said it was soul-crushing, far out, where'd that come from? Interesting interpretation to say the least. FMD I said it was always gonna be tough when 7 players from the previous week's win weren't on the park halfway through the last quarter, that the forward line was terrible this week (fact), Kreuzer was ordinary (fact) and that Whiley, Boekhorst and Johnson may as well have not been out there (fact). If you think Johnson was anything close to okay, then you need to watch the game again.
I also ended my post by saying that if we kicked straight, we win.......yep, that sure sounds as though I thought it soul-crushing doesn't it? Sheesh......
A game that we lost not the Bulldogs winning.
Graham is a gun though, reminds me of Sam Mitchell a bit just a real natural footballer.
Both great calls.
Perhaps a too simplistic analysis but I reckon Springer was the difference. He was fairly well held but kicked three straight from limited opportunities.
It was a scrappy game and it's hard to see the Bulldogs holding on to their spot in the eight.
Perhaps a too simplistic analysis but I reckon Springer was the difference. He was fairly well held but kicked three straight from limited opportunities.
It was a scrappy game and it's hard to see the Bulldogs holding on to their spot in the eight.
Yep. I wouldn't be getting too excited if I were a Dogs supporter. They made a lot of errors.
Both great calls.
Hey I made the Graham/Mitchell comparison last week! :P
I think Yarran is playing injured, in fact if Cripps hadn't gone off I think he would have spent most of the last quarter on the bench. I also think that Johnson's job was to limit Murphy and while he didn't shut him out of the game, he did restrict his output. Boekhurst seems to lack confidence and if he could let go of his fear of making mistakes then he could be ok, Holman looks ok and Whiley needs to play more. I think Murphy leadership has been great the past three weeks and he has set a very good standard for everybody to follow. The Wood Casboult fiasco demonstrates to me that the side hasn't been playing as a team for a while now and therefore they are not on the same page. They have been better the past few weeks but they need to trust one another and believe everybody is going to the right thing. And this is not a MM thing. I don't think they have been playing as a team for about fifteen years and four coaches weren't able to change this. They are doing it now but they need to do it into the future.
Hey I made the Graham/Mitchell comparison last week! :P
Graham reminds me of Sam Mitchell. I think his career is panning out the same way as Mitchell who began his impact as a 21 year old after consistent efforts in the VFL.
June 21. :P
We were at our crappiest for a while, had heaps of players out and lost to the 7th team by 11pts after some real comedy capers at some stages. At least we know how to hang in on bad days.
June 21. :P
Can Graham become the next Mitchell?
March 29. :P
Anybody watched Bark's presser ?
Not much to it I guess. They usually go for about 11 minutes - this one clocked in under 5.
Mentioned that he was happy with the effort, but not happy with ball use /execution / decision making.
Gave Cripps a wrap.
Mentioned the very young and inexperienced midfield, against more experienced opponents.
Mentioned we out tackled the best tackling team in the comp.
A couple of other bits and pieces.
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March 29. :P
Fork me I was very slow. Either way great to see him improve so quickly, just like Mitchell did when he got a go.
Okay, just kick straight and we win. No doubt about that. Do you get it now? I know you'd rather have people believe the sky is falling because that's what you've been preaching for a while but it simply isn't the case.
Reality can be a bit tough to take for the average football supporter.
Good to see that we have some astute judges when it comes to Graham's ability :)
He has certainly been one of the players to benefit from the change of coach. I suppose that being closer to the players enabled Barker to see what Malthouse was missing.
Anyway, let's hope Graham continues to improve and becomes an integral part of a top class midfield.
Everyone but Mick and his faithful could see it!!
Accidentally quoted myself :-[
As there doesn't seem to be a delete function, I'd better think of something to contribute . . .
Kreuzer seemed to run out of puff in the second half. An interrupted pre-season and missing the first half of the season wouldn't have done much for his match fitness.
It's arguable as to whether he would benefit more from a spell or another hard game. Even with his poor second half, he still made a contribution and I wouldn't want to go into the Richmond game without him, whether or not Maric is suspended.
Good to see that we have some astute judges when it comes to Graham's ability :)
He has certainly been one of the players to benefit from the change of coach. I suppose that being closer to the players enabled Barker to see what Malthouse was missing.
Anyway, let's hope Graham continues to improve and becomes an integral part of a top class midfield.
I thought Barker was just one of micks spuds ?
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I thought Barker was just one of micks spuds ?
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I think many of us thought that NB. Isn't there a thread about what spuds our assistants are?
My point was about the fact that assistant coaches are closer to the players than the senior coach and that may have enabled Barker to see something in Graham that Malthouse missed.
And cimm1979 goes WHACK!
Water off a ducks back, Brettie :D :D :D
Spot on. Waaaaaaayyyyy overrated.
Just a pi55weak lazy game from Yarran. If he's not carrying an injury he should be gone.
I think you're a little harsh on Murph, thought he won some pretty tough ball in there last night. Disposal is slightly overrated. Gimme the ball in the hands of Nicky G any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
TBF I thought Kreuzer was slower.
Simpsons turnover when he was coming out of defence was a disgrace. Curnover name says it all.
Bell is an awful kick of the footy. Great in pretty much every other area except the one that counts most.
Disagree immensely. Pretty much the only bloke capable of lacing out a pass inside 50m. Thought he was excellent.
Now, unlike Crimm 1979, that is what I call a reasoned discussion. Thanks Carrotts
I think Yarran is playing injured, in fact if Cripps hadn't gone off I think he would have spent most of the last quarter on the bench. I also think that Johnson's job was to limit Murphy and while he didn't shut him out of the game, he did restrict his output. Boekhurst seems to lack confidence and if he could let go of his fear of making mistakes then he could be ok, Holman looks ok and Whiley needs to play more. I think Murphy leadership has been great the past three weeks and he has set a very good standard for everybody to follow. The Wood Casboult fiasco demonstrates to me that the side hasn't been playing as a team for a while now and therefore they are not on the same page. They have been better the past few weeks but they need to trust one another and believe everybody is going to the right thing. And this is not a MM thing. I don't think they have been playing as a team for about fifteen years and four coaches weren't able to change this. They are doing it now but they need to do it into the future.
He's not injured Moon, he has other issues.
It's arguable as to whether he would benefit more from a spell or another hard game. Even with his poor second half, he still made a contribution and I wouldn't want to go into the Richmond game without him, whether or not Maric is suspended.
My biggest concern with Kreuzer is that he isn't getting to marking contests, I don't know whether it's fitness, confidence or just a lack of football but it has always been one of his strengths.
Hey I made the Graham/Mitchell comparison last week! :P
Hard to know that when I don't read your posts ;) :D
Perhaps a too simplistic analysis but I reckon Springer was the difference. He was fairly well held but kicked three straight from limited opportunities.
It was a scrappy game and it's hard to see the Bulldogs holding on to their spot in the eight.
I had Caleb Daniel as the difference, he came on and burnt us bad..had 5 scoring assists and seemed everywhere,,,agree on Stringer..thought White did a good job but the former made the most of his opportunities and doesnt miss many kicks for goal....the goal before half time was telling and steadied the Dogs.
I had Caleb Daniel as the difference, he came on and burnt us bad..had 5 scoring assists and seemed everywhere,,,agree on Stringer..thought White did a good job but the former made the most of his opportunities and doesnt miss many kicks for goal....the goal before half time was telling and steadied the Dogs.
Yes EB, Daniel looked like a seasoned veteran when he came on.
However, it may have been a different result if we had a bloke like Stringer who could be relied on to bag a couple of goals despite limited opportunities.
Boekhurst - Am willing to give the kid a break as it's his first year but geez he made some howlers
Holman - Christ, can't understand the critics of this guy. I thought he did OK
Jamison - Good first up after so many weeks off. Did better in one game than Rowe has in three.
Touhy - Thought he played his best game for the year.
Tutt - See Holman.
Cripps - Good until injured as was Everitt. In fact pretty sure Everitt's departure cost us the game. Hope the injury isn't too severe.
Graham - Fair, with a couple of costly errors, but we're still better with him in the side than not.
Henderson - Just not quite good enough at the moment. Goes missing for long periods I can see him trying his guts out but just misses too many half chances to have an impact.
Wood - Terrible. Played so well last week but he was putrid last night.
Murphy - Just stop trying to drill blokes with precision passes. They seem to end up in the hands of opposition players more often than not, AND at crucial times.
Simmo - Was a bit "Murph" like with some of his decisions and disposal, but SO many credits in the bank we can forgive.
Bell/Curnow - What could these guys be if THEY COULD JUST KICK.
Kreuzer - Battled hard, as he always does, but not a good game.
Armfield - Playing reasonably well BUT apart from the missed chances, last quarter, 11 point down, ball kicked to the top of the square, Henderson backing back, STAY DOWN you idiot! That one really p!55ed me off.
So frustrating when you see the same old skill erors costing you a game. Sure the doggies were bad but our stuff-ups were far worse than theirs (see the Casboult & Wood comedy routine)
Do we really have to play Hawthorn this year?
And finally, Caleb Daniel may have had a decent first up but I can't believe a guy that tiny will ever make it in the AFL. Watch this space.
And finally, Caleb Daniel may have had a decent first up but I can't believe a guy that tiny will ever make it in the AFL. Watch this space.
Boomer Harvey hasn't had a bad career ;)
Boomer Harvey hasn't had a bad career ;)
Yes, but I think Boomer's got about 10 kg's in weight on him. Best he start hitting the carbs!
. I have to say that Graham was ordinary tonight, and a major weakness in his game was on display. he can't think quickly enough, and at this point in time, he doesn't have the gift of a football brain. In other words, he aint good enough and it remains to be seen if he ever will be.
Try catch a replay. Some of his in close work required a loosening of the pants. The kid has his strengths, we need to make use of them - something we've been awful at.
Holman - Christ, can't understand the critics of this guy. I thought he did OK
Agree. 11 possies and 7 tackles in his first full hitout after only 3 games will be a pass mark under Barker.
Bit confused with the criticisms of Graham and Holman. The difference between how Graham is playing now and the bloke who was taking the field for the NBs last year is quite significant. Remember he's only played about 16 senior games and keeps getting better, and it was Holman's first proper hit out...
I think many of us thought that NB. Isn't there a thread about what spuds our assistants are?
My point was about the fact that assistant coaches are closer to the players than the senior coach and that may have enabled Barker to see something in Graham that Malthouse missed.
I wasn't having a crack at you DJC, rather at the group think that inhabits this place at times.
We all have opinions, some have several, but we actually know 1/5 of diddly squat, the rest is just chest thumping.
I think there must be a couple of dozen threads bagging our assistants ;)
I wasn't having a crack at you DJC, rather at the group think that inhabits this place at times.
We all have opinions, some have several, but we actually know 1/5 of diddly squat, the rest is just chest thumping.
I think there must be a couple of dozen threads bagging our assistants ;)
Totally agree. I'm as guilty as others on this point. I'm sure I've had a go at Barks somewhere along the line.
My biggest concern with Kreuzer is that he isn't getting to marking contests, I don't know whether it's fitness, confidence or just a lack of football but it has always been one of his strengths.
I'm thinking all of the above. Hit the spot on that one.
I wasn't having a crack at you DJC, rather at the group think that inhabits this place at times.
We all have opinions, some have several, but we actually know 1/5 of diddly squat, the rest is just chest thumping.
I think there must be a couple of dozen threads bagging our assistants ;)
I didn't think you were NB :)
I must admit that I was surprised to see how well Barker has fitted in to the senior coach role. I probably shouldn't have been so surprised as the players talked him up for his defensive line coaching and he has had assistant coaching experience with a couple of the AFL's leading lights.
As to your comment about us all having opinions, I'm reminded of PI2C's signature line and how it could easily be used by most of us ;)
We need to find another couple of Patrick Cripps from somewhere. I don't know where but we have to find them.
I wasn't having a crack at you DJC, rather at the group think that inhabits this place at times.
We all have opinions, some have several, but we actually know 1/5 of diddly squat, the rest is just chest thumping.
I think there must be a couple of dozen threads bagging our assistants ;)
That's an interesting interpretation of what is happening. Here's another: all we know is just how poorly Malthouse was travelling and not much about Barker's ability to coach.
Bit confused with the criticisms of Graham and Holman. The difference between how Graham is playing now and the bloke who was taking the field for the NBs last year is quite significant. Remember he's only played about 16 senior games and keeps getting better, and it was Holman's first proper hit out...
x 2..I was happy with both players...Graham can hit a target by foot unlike a few of his teammates and Holman is a disciplined kid who is a decent size for a mid and just needs more games.
Boekhurst = Lucas 2015
Fair comment on what he has shown so far
x 2..I was happy with both players...Graham can hit a target by foot unlike a few of his teammates and Holman is a disciplined kid who is a decent size for a mid and just needs more games.
Agree totally. Must get more games into both these guys. Graham has been one of our better players over the past 3 weeks. Holman showing good signs, just needs an opportunity to get a feel for the game at this level. From what I've seen so far he has a chance to make it
Quote from: bignic on Today at 12:43:26 AM
If Henderson wants to go, there would be little opposition, but he'll probably stay because
he can't pack mark to save his life and he plays one reasonable game, and goes missing in the rest And the other clubs know it!!!
Spot on. Waaaaaaayyyyy overrated.
I thought you were agreeing to a comment about Watto but then I read the bit about playing "one reasonable game" and re-read the previous comment.
BTW - I agree about Hendo - he is not much of a contested mark when opponents are trying to spoil him but he can take some contested marks.
Bit confused with the criticisms of Graham and Holman. The difference between how Graham is playing now and the bloke who was taking the field for the NBs last year is quite significant. Remember he's only played about 16 senior games and keeps getting better, and it was Holman's first proper hit out...
I like both of them. Holman reminds me of Jared Polec. He's got a spearing left foot kick and he's actually a bit quicker than I thought he was. He attacks the ball harder than Polec too. Graham is just a solid footballer. He may not be explosive enough or big enough to play as a permanent clearance player but he'll be great as a rotating mid that covers a lot of ground. Could be a lot like Steele Sidebottom IMO.
Quote from: bignic on Today at 12:43:26 AM
If Henderson wants to go, there would be little opposition, but he'll probably stay because he can't pack mark to save his life and he plays one reasonable game, and goes missing in the rest And the other clubs know it!!!
I thought you were agreeing to a comment about Watto but then I read the bit about playing "one reasonable game" and re-read the previous comment.
BTW - I agree about Hendo - he is not much of a contested mark when opponents are trying to spoil him but he can take some contested marks.
Hendo took more contested marks at CHB. He usually had the composure to punch in situation here he wasn't sure of the result. Up forward he is the one who has to take the grabs and that doesn't happen as much as he would want. That is why we have Levi, but he doesn't have the body work or the ability to read the play like Hendo does.
Totally agree. I'm as guilty as others on this point. I'm sure I've had a go at Barks somewhere along the line.
I was probably 1 of Barkers loudest critics. Then I read an article about him going for his level 4 coaching cert or whatever it is and acknowledged that he must have something to give.
But he hasn't put a foot wrong since taking over the senior gig, I've been very impressed.
I'm not calling for him to be our next senior coach because we haven't interviewed anyone else yet. There may be an even more impressive candidate out there, that's what the club needs to find out.
Hendo took more contested marks at CHB. He usually had the composure to punch in situation here he wasn't sure of the result. Up forward he is the one who has to take the grabs and that doesn't happen as much as he would want. That is why we have Levi, but he doesn't have the body work or the ability to read the play like Hendo does.
Henderson is also the only forward we have with a football IQ greater than a G grade amateur player.
Seriously, I like Cas, but he has to be lead by the nose.
Hendo took more contested marks at CHB. He usually had the composure to punch in situation here he wasn't sure of the result. Up forward he is the one who has to take the grabs and that doesn't happen as much as he would want. That is why we have Levi, but he doesn't have the body work or the ability to read the play like Hendo does.
Yes, he's at CHF out of necessity right now. Maybe put him at CHB and bring in Watson or Jaksch. Watson's had a few good weeks in the twos, bar last week when it simply a waste of time being a forward. Be worth bringing him in to see how he goes under Barker. If we are to make a decision on him best see how he goes for a few weeks under a different game style.
BTW - I agree about Hendo - he is not much of a contested mark when opponents are trying to spoil him but he can take some contested marks.
Henderson's nothing flash.
He's better than average and far from a dud but he's not the big bodied forward we need and never will be.
I'm not leaning towards trading him because we won't get a top 10 pick or probably even a top 20, and he's better than 90% of the players we'll draft outside that bracket.
What if the Cats gave us pick 10?
Henderson's nothing flash.
He's better than average and far from a dud but he's not the big bodied forward we need and never will be.
I'm not leaning towards trading him because we won't get a top 10 pick or probably even a top 20, and he's better than 90% of the players we'll draft outside that bracket.
Alot more flash at CHB.
He already intimated now that he's staying.
Hendo is a backman and I bet that's where the Cats would play him.
Hendo is a backman and I bet that's where the Cats would play him.
Cripps said on a Fox footy program that he thought another good KP backman was our highest priority. Hendo certainly fits that bill so why not play him there and look for a forward e.g. Dixon?
Cripps said on a Fox footy program that he thought another good KP backman was our highest priority. Hendo certainly fits that bill so why not play him there and look for a forward e.g. Dixon?
Page. Same. Yep, Cookiest One.
Yes, he's at CHF out of necessity right now. Maybe put him at CHB and bring in Watson or Jaksch. Watson's had a few good weeks in the twos, bar last week when it simply a waste of time being a forward. Be worth bringing him in to see how he goes under Barker. If we are to make a decision on him best see how he goes for a few weeks under a different game style.
Not another one calling for Watson ::)
I think the decision has been made
If Hendo goes to his best position at CHB. Rowe would be a better forward option - faster on the lead than Levi - better contested mark than Hendo - better competitor than Watson (low bar)
@RR
Agree on Watson, papers probably stamped.
What if the Cats gave us pick 10?
No chance I reckon, but I'd take it in a flash.
Not another one calling for Watson ::)
I think the decision has been made
If Hendo goes to his best position at CHB. Rowe would be a better forward option - faster on the lead than Levi - better contested mark than Hendo - better competitor than Watson (low bar)
Why not look at Watson under a different game plan. If you make a decision on someone it has to be an informed one, not a biased one. Mightn't do any good but you must see first.
Rowe's always been crap up forward. Also alot better at CHB hence why Hendo's at CHF at the moment out of necessity.
Why not look at Watson under a different game plan. If you make a decision on someone it has to be an informed one, not a biased one. Mightn't do any good but you must see first.
Rowe's always been crap up forward. Also alot better at CHB hence why Hendo's at CHF at the moment out of necessity.
I don't think that the gameplan would make any difference. Watson doesn't work hard enough and doesn't have the attributes to be a KPP (and that's a complete turnaround from my opinion at the start of the season). He is a bit like Jones really.
Rowe was recruited as a key forward but I don't think that he can read the play well enough to be a success as a forward. He is a lot better as a defender because his opponent gets him to the right spots . . . most of the time.
I don't think that the gameplan would make any difference. Watson doesn't work hard enough and doesn't have the attributes to be a KPP (and that's a complete turnaround from my opinion at the start of the season). He is a bit like Jones really.
Rowe was recruited as a key forward but I don't think that he can read the play well enough to be a success as a forward. He is a lot better as a defender because his opponent gets him to the right spots . . . most of the time.
I really would give Watson a chance under our present game plan. It is working more effectively, so one can never know. I doubt he is going to make it at this point, because you are right: he doesn't work hard enough. But I would give him a chance and not just one week.
Rowe wasn't THAT bad a forward, in the SANFL. He also did his share of ruck work. He was found wanting in that role at AFL level, and he wasn't the first under that game style either. His first half season in defence was a shocker, but he has improved in that role hugely. By the start of 2014 you worried about the fumbles, but not about how he played the game. By the end of 2014 he was our best tall defender. He still needs to improve as he tends to fumbles too often: taking his eyes off the ball? Reaction time not quite right? Whatever.
Rowe appears willing to do the hard yards to make it. Watson hasn't been so far.
Jones is the interesting question. He has demonstrated that he can be very handy, but his best and his worst are too far apart and his worst is on display most of the time. We have given him a 3 year contract: that is a serious error in judgment. Don't know what we can do about that.
I really would give Watson a chance under our present game plan. It is working more effectively, so one can never know. I doubt he is going to make it at this point, because you are right: he doesn't work hard enough. But I would give him a chance and not just one week.
Spot it with the logical statements would you?
Cripps said on a Fox footy program that he thought another good KP backman was our highest priority. Hendo certainly fits that bill so why not play him there and look for a forward e.g. Dixon?
Cripps just wants to play CHB ;D
Cripps just wants to play CHB ;D
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;D
Cripps just wants to play CHB ;D
There was another bloke we started playing at CHB.
We would start him there most games, and then at about half time, we would throw him on ball and he would drift forward and be damaging also.
Should have won a browlow that bloke. Retired about 10 years ago now.
Watching the game again. We should've pumped them to death on the scoreboard in the 2nd qtr. We played some really good footy for alot of it barring finishing and a couple of comedy capers. Pity we fell off in the 3rd qtr, which cost us, but we showed something. If we had been far enough in front at half time mentally it might've been different. We should've rest ourselves at half time.
Pissed myself laughing at Wood and Casboult, typical stereotypical big blokes. Wasn't funny at the time though. Poor Levi was all over the place and seemed unable to coordinate brain and body together in the same sequence.
@laj
Yeah, Levi seemed very nervous and fumbly a lot of the time. Was certainly a bit out of sorts IMO.
Watching the game again. We should've pumped them to death on the scoreboard in the 2nd qtr. We played some really good footy for alot of it barring finishing and a couple of comedy capers. Pity we fell off in the 3rd qtr, which cost us, but we showed something. If we had been far enough in front at half time mentally it might've been different. We should've rest ourselves at half time.
Pissed myself laughing at Wood and Casboult, typical stereotypical big blokes. Wasn't funny at the time though. Poor Levi was all over the place and seemed unable to coordinate brain and body together in the same sequence.
Genuine miscommunication here.
I actually thought that they believed a mark had been paid, and the other was running to the square incase the kick fell short and the umps waved play on...
Genuine miscommunication here.
I actually thought that they believed a mark had been paid, and the other was running to the square incase the kick fell short and the umps waved play on...
Could've been that too.
Basically lost in a 15 min patch from late in the 3rd to early in the 4th qtr. when they got their run they kicked goals. By contrast, when we totally dominated in the 2nd qtr we couldn't hit the side of a barn door from point blank range.
Sloppy game but could've been won against a current top 8 side on a bad day.
Watching the game again. We should've pumped them to death on the scoreboard in the 2nd qtr. We played some really good footy for alot of it barring finishing and a couple of comedy capers. Pity we fell off in the 3rd qtr, which cost us, but we showed something. If we had been far enough in front at half time mentally it might've been different. We should've rest ourselves at half time.
Pissed myself laughing at Wood and Casboult, typical stereotypical big blokes. Wasn't funny at the time though. Poor Levi was all over the place and seemed unable to coordinate brain and body together in the same sequence.
Smashed them from halfway through the first till half time.
Couldn't finish it and then came out flat as pancakes after half time.
Still think we have fitness issues.
I don't think that the gameplan would make any difference. Watson doesn't work hard enough and doesn't have the attributes to be a KPP (and that's a complete turnaround from my opinion at the start of the season).
When I have seen him this year, I reckon he
has been working hard enough - he is just too one dimensional and almost absolutely useless unless he manages to mark the ball, which he has never managed effectively against AFL opponents.
I have seen the vast majority of Watson's VFL games over his five seasons - I would be interested to hear how many games that those those plumping for his selection have attended.
When I have seen him this year, I reckon he has been working hard enough - he is just too one dimensional and almost absolutely useless unless he manages to mark the ball, which he has never managed effectively against AFL opponents.
I have seen the vast majority of Watson's VFL games over his five seasons - I would be interested to hear how many games that those those plumping for his selection have attended.
Well RR, that just about seals his fate then.
But RR was writing off Casboult for a fair portion of his development as well (correct me if I'm wrong there RR). No one can get it right all of the time.
But RR was writing off Casboult for a fair portion of his development as well (correct me if I'm wrong there RR). No one can get it right all of the time.
I think you are wrong.
Regardless - I would still be interested in your response to the following:
I have seen the vast majority of Watson's VFL games over his five seasons - I would be interested to hear how many games that those those plumping for his selection have attended.
TBH RR I think you're a tad biased against him.
Going by his game in round 23 last year and the fact he's put together some good performances recently in the twos, he should get another crack at it. That's my opinion, I wont sway, sometimes blokes get better when they get given a go in the seniors. Just look at your mate Nick Graham! If he was still languishing in the twos under Mick all we'd be hearing is that he's not up to it anyway.
Re the Cas but I could have sworn you didn't give him a chance of making it. If I was wrong I most certainly apologize.
Re the Cas but I could have sworn you didn't give him a chance of making it. If I was wrong I most certainly apologize.
There's no guarantee that he will, he certainly hasn't made it at this point in time.