Next Saturday night we play Gold Coast, fresh from their excellent win away against Freo. We, on the other hand, suffered at the hands of a red hot Sydney.
The game will be on free to air TV (Thank God!), so I will be able to see it.
I would be bringing Casey Byrne in and play Zac Tuohy more up the ground.
Our key defenders are struggling somewhat at the moment: very few possessions to Jamo, Rowe or White. Weitering again showed he is a player: he will be playing.
Everitt, Lamb and Casboult all disappointed and Walker was a late change. There may well be changes in this area.
Plowman is not ready yet, but he will get a go sooner rather than later.
Next Saturday night we play Gold Coast, fresh from their excellent win away against Freo. We, on the other hand, suffered at the hands of a red hot Sydney.
The game will be on free to air TV (Thank God!), so I will be able to see it.
I would be bringing Casey Byrne in and play Zac Tuohy more up the ground.
Our key defenders are struggling somewhat at the moment: very few possessions to Jamo, Rowe or White. Weitering again showed he is a player: he will be playing.
Everitt, Lamb and Casboult all disappointed and Walker was a late change. There may well be changes in this area.
Plowman is not ready yet, but he will get a go sooner rather than later.
Jaksch for Everitt, Byrne for Phillips, Walker for Rowe
Jaksch for Everitt, Byrne for Lamb, Walker for Rowe
Jaksch for Everitt is the interesting one. According to Baggers, Jaksch was not in overly good form in the VFL. He took a few marks, but kicked no better than Casboult. As much as Everitt disappoints with his lack of intensity, he can take a very good mark and usually kicks reasonably.
It will be interesting to see which way the selectors go.
I would NOT promote Liam Jones, even though he supposedly was quite reasonable.
Jaksch for Everitt is the interesting one. According to Baggers, Jaksch was not in overly good form in the VFL. He took a few marks, but kicked no better than Casboult. As much as Everitt disappoints with his lack of intensity, he can take a very good mark and usually kicks reasonably.
It will be interesting to see which way the selectors go.
I would NOT promote Liam Jones, even though he supposedly was quite reasonable.
Jaksch apparently very marked well but kicked badly. I'm of the belief to have a shot at goal you have to get it first hence take my chances with Jaksch and Casboult, who will take a few strong marks. Everitt can't get near it.
Tend to agree with Crash about Everitt. He is one of our few reliable goal kickers despite his shortcomings elsewhere. BB would need a lot more convincing to bring Jones back so soon to replace him IMO. In fact it will be case of who in the NBs is making a strong case for a senior game rather than who has displeased BB enough to get dropped.
There was very good effort today, what is missing is class and polish. I would think Walker will come back if fit and maybe Byrne? Not sure atm who I would leave out from today's team.
Like today, dont expect to get near GC. They are now where we will be in 2-3 years. Stranger things have happened, road trip bonding, who knows. Changes are required, some of the older blokes just continue to make the same errors.
Everitt at full forward (and nowhere else) and Weitering at CHF....(if we're giving him an education let's give him a well rounded one...there's nothing to lose)
Weitering at CHF....(if we're giving him an education let's give him a well rounded one...there's nothing to lose)
See I cant agree. He's a defender, a bloody good one at that. Will patrol (and eventually control) our defence for the next 10 to 15 years. Leave him there, don't break him like we have done to to many others. Whats to be gained by playing him fwd? For me nothing.
See I cant agree. He's a defender, a bloody good one at that. Will patrol (and eventually control) our defence for the next 10 to 15 years. Leave him there, don't break him like we have done to to many others. Whats to be gained by playing him fwd? For me nothing.
What would we rather... a permanent set defender or a guy who can play both forward and back?
He may be an absolute dud as a forward....but we'll never know unless we give him an opportunity.
He may turn out to be Carlton's greatest defender.... but our current "greatest ever defender" could also go forward and kick a few goals ;)
It's about turning him into the "best footballer"...not the "best defender or forward".
How could it possibly be detrimental to his development as a defender to get up close and personal with some of the competitions best defenders and see how they go about their jobs.
Makes perfect sense from an education point of view..
I'm going to this game, 1st live game in a few years for me, looking forward to it, hopefully the Blues put on a good show !!
HI was going to the game on the GC as well, but will be in Melb working through the weekend, didnt work that out to well did I? Even though will be interesting, from all reports Jaksch isnt up to a senior game as yet, Plowman got through a half, Walker may return, can see whole sale changes. Everitt, can certainly put in the bad ones , but think he has to stay , no one really challenging for his spot & at least he is a reliable kick
HI was going to the game on the GC as well, but will be in Melb working through the weekend, didnt work that out to well did I? Even though will be interesting, from all reports Jaksch isnt up to a senior game as yet, Plowman got through a half, Walker may return, can see whole sale changes. Everitt, can certainly put in the bad ones , but think he has to stay , no one really challenging for his spot & at least he is a reliable kick
Doesn't matter how reliable he is if he can't be bothered to get his hands on the pill.....
I think we need to be more concerned about setting standards rather than worrying about the names on the team sheet.
If Jones has earned a game, and Everitt has earned a dropping then it has to happen, else we will never get anywhere.
What we won't know is the criteria that the coach is using to do these things, but Liam Jones has to come into the side if he is working hard, because it will encourage others to work hard and do what is asked to earn a game and hopefully build a positive team culture. Curnow really tried yesterday (Charlie). He is probably not up to competing with a team like Sydney as yet, but even in the fourth quarter I saw him put in two repeat efforts (admittedly the tackles were pretty weak) but he applied pressure, and got hands on two opponents in a sequence and thats the important bit. Executing the tackle will come in time, but all you can ask for is the effort from guys like him.
Likewise, you cant use the same standard for all players. A youngster will earn a game off a lesser effort than an older player because the expectation is different, but if you reward the right actions, and punish the wrong ones everyone will get it, and this will breed the culture we need moving forward.
At the same time effort has to be judged along with consistency. Flash in the pan efforts are also the road to nowhere - we need to see consistency in meeting the required standards week in week out. Liam Jones is nowhere near that standard as yet. so why would he get a recall?
Jaksch for Everitt, Byrne for Phillips, Walker for Rowe
Think Rowe has been pretty solid first two games, couldnt help bu think yesterday our best 3 defenders are Weitering, Rowe, White...
Uh oh, Thry has found his new argumentative baby......Liam Jones, come on down! ;D
Uh oh, Thry has found his new argumentative baby......Liam Jones, come on down! ;D
Jones will (rightfully) need to show 8-12 weeks of consistent effort and output in the lower divisions before being considered.
It's going to be a long first half of the season on these forums :P
Hope the backline can keep their spirits up.
They are going to be under pressure for much of the year, coming off a year when they were under pressure 80% in 2015.
Would be an easy thing to drop their heads.
Uh oh, Thry has found his new argumentative baby......Liam Jones, come on down! ;D
Nah just used him as an example as he kicked 3 in the praccy against Richmond, and then put his hand up again this week (if reports are to be trusted).
Personally, Id be happier if it were Plowman, Jaksch or Skittles putting their hand up and stating "play me" but if its Liam Jones then so be it.
Jones will (rightfully) need to show 8-12 weeks of consistent effort and output in the lower divisions before being considered.
It's going to be a long first half of the season on these forums :P
Ill be happy if we end up the year saying that we competed as best we could every week and gave it our all at this point provided we beat Essendon.
Im under no illsusions, but we will need to face a fairly complacent side to get a win at this point as we look like we are missing too many cogs all over the park.
Disagree,
Just entirely unacceptable when blokes like Gibbs and Everitt go AWOL as and when they seemingly see fit....
Gibbs especially.
What happened to the effort shown against the Tigers?
Think Rowe has been pretty solid first two games, couldnt help bu think yesterday our best 3 defenders are Weitering, Rowe, White...
Just that we have alot of tall blokes in the backline. We need to shrink slightly. Maybe play Rowe forward. Even if he struggles he'll take a man.
Just that we have alot of tall blokes in the backline. We need to shrink slightly. Maybe play Rowe forward. Even if he struggles he'll take a man.
Agree laj, that's not a bad play.
Limitations aside, Rowe (from what I've seen) mostly digs in contest after contest to the best of his abilities.
He's certainly done a tough apprenticeship against the leagues power forwards. Just maybe he could turn that into a strength although he'd need to polish his marking up a bit after focusing on spoiling. Tell him to spoil in a small forwards favour or mark the pill. On the odd occasion he's been steady in front of goals and kicked true. Taking the heat off Levi alone may be worth a try. Because the Bolt's got his goal kicking mojo back, right ::)
Just that we have alot of tall blokes in the backline. We need to shrink slightly. Maybe play Rowe forward. Even if he struggles he'll take a man.
Yet Docherty finds himself standing Buddy?
I didn't see the game but the radio commentators spoke about Sydney's talls stretching our defence.
Yet Docherty finds himself standing Buddy?
I didn't see the game but the radio commentators spoke about Sydney's talls stretching our defence.
This has happened far too much in the first two rounds. Our back line structure is a shambles where the talls all seem to push too far up the ground and get caught guarding space rather than playing tight man on man defence on the most dangerous opposition forwards. When the opposition move it quickly forward they all get lost in the transition and Simpson, Docherty and Tuohy get left trying to stop someone with a big height and size advantage. Richmond exploited it in the last quarter and always had someone staying deep and Sydney were able to take advantage after their midfield got on top after quarter time.
I think this creates a huge problem for accountability - because none of our tall defenders have a direct opponent a lot of the time and are instead guarding space up the ground. I think the lack of midfield pressure against the swans stems from a similar problem. When we didn't have the ball everyone switched to defending zones rather than putting pressure on the opposition ball carrier or manning up his options. The gold coast did this pretty well against freo and the dogs seem to be the masters of it in 2016. Unfortunately they're our next 2 games.
This has happened far too much in the first two rounds. Our back line structure is a shambles where the talls all seem to push too far up the ground and get caught guarding space rather than playing tight man on man defence on the most dangerous opposition forwards. When the opposition move it quickly forward they all get lost in the transition and Simpson, Docherty and Tuohy get left trying to stop someone with a big height and size advantage. Richmond exploited it in the last quarter and always had someone staying deep and Sydney were able to take advantage after their midfield got on top after quarter time.
I think this creates a huge problem for accountability - because none of our tall defenders have a direct opponent a lot of the time and are instead guarding space up the ground. I think the lack of midfield pressure against the swans stems from a similar problem. When we didn't have the ball everyone switched to defending zones rather than putting pressure on the opposition ball carrier or manning up his options. The gold coast did this pretty well against freo and the dogs seem to be the masters of it in 2016. Unfortunately they're our next 2 games.
And Thomas on Buddy? :o
Just that we have alot of tall blokes in the backline. We need to shrink slightly. Maybe play Rowe forward. Even if he struggles he'll take a man.
Noticed I only said 3 tall defenders there...
Disagree,
Just entirely unacceptable when blokes like Gibbs and Everitt go AWOL as and when they seemingly see fit....
Gibbs especially.
What happened to the effort shown against the Tigers?
I think that is unfair...90% of the team put in all day. They came out hard after half time, and fought right to the very end in Junk time, where Malthouse teams would have been blown out by 100+
It was hard work turning the ball over at half forward every time and getting smashed at the stoppages. Effort and competitiveness was there, class was not and it didnt help that our "midfield" leaders didnt want to crack in and were fumbly.
Weitering and Curnow up forward this week with Plowman to come into the back line.
Let the young boys show us how to kick goals. :)
We're too tall and slow at the minute IMO.
Out - Phillips and White
In - Walker and Byrne
Backs - Jamison, Weitering, Rowe
Forwards - Casboult, C.Curnow, Walker, Everitt
Ruck - Kreuzer (back from Everitt and Casboult)
Might still be too slow down back but with Weiters and Docherty sliding off and intercepting (both had 4 on the weekend) and with Jamo and Rowe 'locking down' on the likes of Lynch and Day we might get some better structure - maybe! Long term it will hopefully be Weitering, Plowman and Glass-McCasker down back.
Up forward - Casboult to play more CHF but also drifting inside forward 50- when required. Not just a lock-in FF as such. Onball at times and taking some grabs across half-back with he and MK would eb handy!
The more mobile set-up of tallish types in Charlie Curnow, Walker, Everitt and Cripps (when resting) is more appealing.
Everitt to go onball and 'ruck' as a more mobile free-wheeling and extra onballer.
I would be bringing Casey Byrne in and play Zac Tuohy more up the ground.
I am becoming more and more interested in seeing Tuohy played as a permanent half-forward. The reasons are many but not limited to :
1. he can kick long goals
2. he tends to get a little 'lost' whilst in defence
3. he will put some immense pressure on the opposition defenders to regain possession
4. he tackles hard & courageously
5. we always seem to have a surplus of half-backs
6. goal-kicking is our Achilles heel right now
Noticed I only said 3 tall defenders there...
That roundabout way of saying you think Jamison should be out?
I think that is unfair...90% of the team put in all day. They came out hard after half time, and fought right to the very end in Junk time, where Malthouse teams would have been blown out by 100+
It was hard work turning the ball over at half forward every time and getting smashed at the stoppages. Effort and competitiveness was there, class was not and it didnt help that our "midfield" leaders didnt want to crack in and were fumbly.
Spot on mate. How can we progress when these blokes pick and choose? They are supposed to set an example. Murphy has been nowhere near as bad as Gibbs but he has to stop throwing himself on the deck looking for cheap frees when the pressure comes. That is not leadership.
I get the idea that Bolton has a rather different philosophy regarding selection and that players who put in a barry crocker will not automatically be dropped.
i.e. Phillips.
In a game we got monstored, I don't believe he is an automatic exclusion from our team. It will teach him nothing. The bloke actually tried, we were just fairly beaten. There is nothing wrong with that provided that there is some learning to do.
The fact the bloke was happy to be accountable and follow his opponent as they drifted forward speaks for why that might be the case.
Sure, he still might miss this match but I reckon things might work a little differently to what we are expecting.
I get the idea that Bolton has a rather different philosophy regarding selection and that players who put in a barry crocker will automatically be dropped.
I doubt this will be a thing.
And Thomas on Buddy? :o
Beat him in the air though....Mark O The Week ;D
I doubt this will be a thing.
I missed a word so it might have a bit more meaning
I missed a word so it might have a bit more meaning
May pay to go back and edit as without the word it means the exact opposite!
I missed a word so it might have a bit more meaning
Now I agree! :D
At AFL level you need players who have a trick, and success is all about developing players deficiencies so they can stay in the game/contest long enough to use their trick. We've lacked so much player development for years that most of our blokes never got to show their tricks.
May pay to go back and edit as without the word it means the exact opposite!
Done mate.
I just forked it up yesterday and didnt see my mistake until IOT had responded.
Lets hope its this way anyway. There is nothing to gain for players to go up and down regardless of the effort they put in just because they had an ineffective match.
B : Weitering, Jamison, Buckley
HB : Docherty, Jones, Gibbs
C : Simpson, Cripps, Boekhorst
HF : Touhy, Casboult, C. Curnow
F : Everitt, Gorringe, Wright
R : Kreuzer, Murphy, E. Curnow
I/C : Phillips, Thomas, Graham, Sumner
IN : Buckley, Jones, Gorringe, Sumner
OUT : Walker, Rowe, White, Lamb
White for one will not be dropped - unless he's injured.
B : Weitering, Jamison, Buckley
HB : Docherty, Jones, Gibbs
C : Simpson, Cripps, Boekhorst
HF : Touhy, Casboult, C. Curnow
F : Everitt, Gorringe, Wright
R : Kreuzer, Murphy, E. Curnow
I/C : Phillips, Thomas, Graham, Sumner
IN : Buckley, Jones, Gorringe, Sumner
OUT : Walker, Rowe, White, Lamb
Walker didn't play last week.
Walker didn't play last week.
He's shown as injured and out for 2 weeks on our last published injury list (5/4).
He's shown as injured and out for 2 weeks on our last published injury list (5/4).
Yep Walker probably another two with a calf tear showing on the scans, SOSOS out for another three weeks with a Grade 1 hammy, and Armfield another week away at least.
Not sure about any others.
B : Weitering, Jamison, Buckley
HB : Docherty, Jones, Gibbs
C : Simpson, Cripps, Boekhorst
HF : Touhy, Casboult, C. Curnow
F : Everitt, Gorringe, Wright
R : Kreuzer, Murphy, E. Curnow
I/C : Phillips, Thomas, Graham, Sumner
IN : Buckley, Jones, Gorringe, Sumner
OUT : Walker, Rowe, White, Lamb
I reckon I've got more chance of being selected at CHB than Liam Jones has :D
I reckon I've got more chance of being selected at CHB than Liam Jones has :D
Sorry DJC but I've already had a call from Bolts saying that if I'm not available they will be forced to name Jones! :))
Jamo is one who is definitely polarizing opinions at the moment. A number of people voted for him for his effort against Sydney: he received a couple of 5 vote mentions. However, his stats were ordinary and, for the 2nd week in a row, he struggled to get 10 possessions.
According to many he is really struggling. Others think he is doing not too badly.
To me, our new game plan often leaves our key defenders exposed. That isn't a surprise, it is almost par for the course. Most teams are playing a similar deference now and it does leave the opportunity to be caught out on the rebound as a high probability when we turn the ball over. This is also the case when we get beaten in the middle of the ground, something that was very much the case last week.
Jamo is used to a different way of dealing with things and a 1 on 1 defence. In fact, he has been an excellent 1 on 1 defender.
Rowe is in a similar position. He played OK in round 1, but for dropping too many marks. For his fumbles, he was almost dropped (even though he had more impact that Jamo did and more than twice the number of possessions). He was saved only by injury to Walker.
That may not have done him that much good, as he had very few possessions against Sydney, while the Sydney tall forwards got goals.
As a result, both Jamo and Rowe are under considerable pressure.
On the other hand, Weitering is doing a pretty good job, both in shutting down his man and getting the ball himself. However, this game plan is basically his 1st. Given that he is a top ranked recruit (neither Jamo nor Rowe was so ranked), he is coping with that game plan better.
Plowman, when he gets into the side, may well fit into a taller defensive role as well. He has more running ability than either Jamo or Rowe and is more of a run - off option as well.
In some ways we are seeing the changing of the guard in our defence. It will be interesting to see how our defence evolves this season and who ends up in the main roles.
Another point of interest in considering Rowe especially, and to a lesser extent Jamo, is that neither of these guys has a history of starting the year off strongly. Jamo started pretty well early in his career, but has struggled early for the last few seasons (due to injury as much as anything else). Rowe has not started well in ANY of the seasons he was been with us. He has taken 3 - 6 weeks to find form and confidence, but has usually played better the longer the season has progressed. If that is to be the case again, and it would not be a surprise, then he should start to perform better in the next couple of weeks.
The question is, can we wait? Do we take the time and keep these guys in, waiting for Weitering to be able to take on the key role, or do we drop one or both and ask the kid to take on the League's best each week?
I don't have a good answer.
Jamo is one who is definitely polarizing opinions at the moment. A number of people voted for him for his effort against Sydney: he received a couple of 5 vote mentions. However, his stats were ordinary and, for the 2nd week in a row, he struggled to get 10 possessions.
According to many he is really struggling. Others think he is doing not too badly.
Rowe is in a similar position. He played OK in round 1, but for dropping too many marks. For his fumbles, he was almost dropped (even though he had more impact that Jamo did and more than twice the number of possessions). He was saved only by injury to Walker.
That may not have done him that much good, as he had very few possessions against Sydney, while the Sydney tall forwards got goals.
As a result, both Jamo and Rowe are under considerable pressure.
Jamo is well past his best and no longer an elite player - still a very good defensive player but no longer offers much in an attacking sense.
Rowe seems willing to attack but his disposal skills probably don't deserve to be called skills.
They have limitations but should retain their places until a better option becomes available.
B : Weitering, Jamison, Buckley
HB : Docherty, Jones, Gibbs
C : Simpson, Cripps, Boekhorst
HF : Touhy, Casboult, C. Curnow
F : Everitt, Gorringe, Wright
R : Kreuzer, Murphy, E. Curnow
I/C : Phillips, Thomas, Graham, Sumner
IN : Buckley, Jones, Gorringe, Sumner
OUT : Walker, Rowe, White, Lamb
I like your idea about playing Jones in defence but I can't see it happening if they keep playing him as a forward in the VFL team. He had one reasonable game at FB last year but nothing since.
Gorringe will need to show much more before I would select him over White. I would also prefer Jones as a forward and a back up ruckman until Gorringe shows something.
Lamb didn't seem to contribute much against the Swans so I wouldn't be upset if he is dropped or if he gets another chance.
A number of people voted for him for his effort against Sydney: he received a couple of 5 vote mentions.
Murphy and Gibbs got votes despite being well beaten while Simpson and Casboult had shockers but still polled.
Jamo is one who is definitely polarizing opinions at the moment. A number of people voted for him for his effort against Sydney: he received a couple of 5 vote mentions. However, his stats were ordinary and, for the 2nd week in a row, he struggled to get 10 possessions.
According to many he is really struggling. Others think he is doing not too badly.
I gave him votes because I thought he beat Buddy for more than a half football, and probably broke even in the end.
Murphy and Gibbs got votes despite being well beaten while Simpson and Casboult had shockers but still polled.
Indeed. But neither Murphy nor Gibbs is likely to be dropped, and neither of them have been noticeably down on possessions. Nor have people 'noticed' them recently: they have been major discussion points for a lot longer than either Jamo or Rowe.
Not having seen the game I find it difficult to comment on well or well poorly anyone played. However, I didn't notice Casboult getting many votes. Simpson had a few, but there hasn't been the discussion about Simpson.
My own humble opinion is that Simmo is probably going to retire at the end of this year: his disposal has been less effective in recent times and his overall play has lacked some of the desperation that was typical of him at his best. He will be missed: he is one of very few players that we drafted in that era who came to be a good player. For a guy who had 'donuts' in his 1st 2 games he became a very effective player: for a guy selected where he in the draft, he was an excellent pick-up.
Indeed. But neither Murphy nor Gibbs is likely to be dropped, and neither of them have been noticeably down on possessions. Nor have people 'noticed' them recently: they have been major discussion points for a lot longer than either Jamo or Rowe.
Not having seen the game I find it difficult to comment on well or well poorly anyone played. However, I didn't notice Casboult getting many votes. Simpson had a few, but there hasn't been the discussion about Simpson.
My own humble opinion is that Simmo is probably going to retire at the end of this year: his disposal has been less effective in recent times and his overall play has lacked some of the desperation that was typical of him at his best. He will be missed: he is one of very few players that we drafted in that era who came to be a good player. For a guy who had 'donuts' in his 1st 2 games he became a very effective player: for a guy selected where he in the draft, he was an excellent pick-up.
He was an
amazing player for us Crash. We all wanted him as Captain. He will be sorely missed when he goes either this year or next. :-\
Jamo is one who is definitely polarizing opinions at the moment. A number of people voted for him for his effort against Sydney: he received a couple of 5 vote mentions. However, his stats were ordinary and, for the 2nd week in a row, he struggled to get 10 possessions.
According to many he is really struggling. Others think he is doing not too badly.
To me, our new game plan often leaves our key defenders exposed. That isn't a surprise, it is almost par for the course. Most teams are playing a similar deference now and it does leave the opportunity to be caught out on the rebound as a high probability when we turn the ball over. This is also the case when we get beaten in the middle of the ground, something that was very much the case last week.
Jamo is used to a different way of dealing with things and a 1 on 1 defence. In fact, he has been an excellent 1 on 1 defender.
Rowe is in a similar position. He played OK in round 1, but for dropping too many marks. For his fumbles, he was almost dropped (even though he had more impact that Jamo did and more than twice the number of possessions). He was saved only by injury to Walker.
That may not have done him that much good, as he had very few possessions against Sydney, while the Sydney tall forwards got goals.
As a result, both Jamo and Rowe are under considerable pressure.
On the other hand, Weitering is doing a pretty good job, both in shutting down his man and getting the ball himself. However, this game plan is basically his 1st. Given that he is a top ranked recruit (neither Jamo nor Rowe was so ranked), he is coping with that game plan better.
Plowman, when he gets into the side, may well fit into a taller defensive role as well. He has more running ability than either Jamo or Rowe and is more of a run - off option as well.
In some ways we are seeing the changing of the guard in our defence. It will be interesting to see how our defence evolves this season and who ends up in the main roles.
Another point of interest in considering Rowe especially, and to a lesser extent Jamo, is that neither of these guys has a history of starting the year off strongly. Jamo started pretty well early in his career, but has struggled early for the last few seasons (due to injury as much as anything else). Rowe has not started well in ANY of the seasons he was been with us. He has taken 3 - 6 weeks to find form and confidence, but has usually played better the longer the season has progressed. If that is to be the case again, and it would not be a surprise, then he should start to perform better in the next couple of weeks.
The question is, can we wait? Do we take the time and keep these guys in, waiting for Weitering to be able to take on the key role, or do we drop one or both and ask the kid to take on the League's best each week?
I don't have a good answer.
Interesting analysis Crash.
Rowe has a tendency to lose his opponent when playing man on man and he is definitely struggling with the zone. Jamison is having even more problems, having built his career on grappling with his opponent. It will only be lack of better options that will keep both in the team throughout the season.
If Plowman can stay fit and play to his potential, it could mean that one of Rowe or Jamison keeps his spot. I'd go for Rowe; despite his fumbles, he does get the footy and Jamison seems to have lost that ability.
Jamo is one who is definitely polarizing opinions at the moment. A number of people voted for him for his effort against Sydney: he received a couple of 5 vote mentions. However, his stats were ordinary and, for the 2nd week in a row, he struggled to get 10 possessions.
According to many he is really struggling. Others think he is doing not too badly.
To me, our new game plan often leaves our key defenders exposed. That isn't a surprise, it is almost par for the course. Most teams are playing a similar deference now and it does leave the opportunity to be caught out on the rebound as a high probability when we turn the ball over. This is also the case when we get beaten in the middle of the ground, something that was very much the case last week.
Jamo is used to a different way of dealing with things and a 1 on 1 defence. In fact, he has been an excellent 1 on 1 defender.
Rowe is in a similar position. He played OK in round 1, but for dropping too many marks. For his fumbles, he was almost dropped (even though he had more impact that Jamo did and more than twice the number of possessions). He was saved only by injury to Walker.
That may not have done him that much good, as he had very few possessions against Sydney, while the Sydney tall forwards got go
As a result, both Jamo and Rowe are under considerable pressure.
On the other hand, Weitering is doing a pretty good job, both in shutting down his man and getting the ball himself. However, this game plan is basically his 1st. Given that he is a top ranked recruit (neither Jamo nor Rowe was so ranked), he is coping with that game plan better.
Plowman, when he gets into the side, may well fit into a taller defensive role as well. He has more running ability than either Jamo or Rowe and is more of a run - off option as well.
In some ways we are seeing the changing of the guard in our defence. It will be interesting to see how our defence evolves this season and who ends up in the main roles.
Another point of interest in considering Rowe especially, and to a lesser extent Jamo, is that neither of these guys has a history of starting the year off strongly. Jamo started pretty well early in his career, but has struggled early for the last few seasons (due to injury as much as anything else). Rowe has not started well in ANY of the seasons he was been with us. He has taken 3 - 6 weeks to find form and confidence, but has usually played better the longer the season has progressed. If that is to be the case again, and it would not be a surprise, then he should start to perform better in the next couple of weeks.
The question is, can we wait? Do we take the time and keep these guys in, waiting for Weitering to be able to take on the key role, or do we drop one or both and ask the kid to take on the League's best each week?
I don't have a good answer.
If the other team has a couple of decent marking talls then thats usually the end of the road for us as it is for the other bottom teams..Tippet, Buddy and Sinclair overwhelmed us...to beat teams with that setup you need team defense..the powerful Geelong teams specialised in it with Milburn often providing the extra player at the contest..........Hawks have Gibson who does/did that role assisting Lake..its always 2 on 1 or even 3 on 1. With us its 1on 1 and in some cases that one is totally undersized like Docherty vs Tippett as our key defenders just lose touch with their man and the opposing teams always find the mismatch as one of our smalls has to cover...happens later in games mainly when we tire and the concentration slips.
We need a smart tough 190cm defender who can help our KP defenders and also provide some run and good kicking from defense...Touhy aint smart, White cant kick etc , Everitt is too timid...maybe Plowman can be our Milburn/Gibson...
It's all about Mr Plow EB, if he can get on the park we may have our man.
It's all about Mr Plow EB, if he can get on the park we may have our man.
The Plowman will be a gun imo, injuries willing......get him in the side asap. Reads the play very well and is very fleet of foot.
I'd try playing Rowe up front. Can take a mark and can kick straight and has some ticker.
If the other team has a couple of decent marking talls then thats usually the end of the road for us as it is for the other bottom teams..Tippet, Buddy and Sinclair overwhelmed us...to beat teams with that setup you need team defense..the powerful Geelong teams specialised in it with Milburn often providing the extra player at the contest..........Hawks have Gibson who does/did that role assisting Lake..its always 2 on 1 or even 3 on 1. With us its 1on 1 and in some cases that one is totally undersized like Docherty vs Tippett as our key defenders just lose touch with their man and the opposing teams always find the mismatch as one of our smalls has to cover...happens later in games mainly when we tire and the concentration slips.
We need a smart tough 190cm defender who can help our KP defenders and also provide some run and good kicking from defense...Touhy aint smart, White cant kick etc , Everitt is too timid...maybe Plowman can be our Milburn/Gibson...
Well we will get to see Plowman sooner rather than later, and the very early word is that our rookie JGM looks a very likely type.
Well we will get to see Plowman sooner rather than later, and the very early word is that our rookie JGM looks a very likely type.
We have had some very good luck with our rookie defenders :)
Well we will get to see Plowman sooner rather than later, and the very early word is that our rookie JGM looks a very likely type.
Bingo! I've certainly liked what I've seen of them both... they take the game on, have good judgment and excellent size.
Interesting that over the past two practice matches Byrne and Dick controlled the back line against the Tiggers and Plowman, JGM and Dick were our best defenders against Port. There's a lot to like about Dick (as a figure of speech!), just wish he was little quicker... so to speak.
Bingo! I've certainly liked what I've seen of them both... they take the game on, have good judgment and excellent size.
Interesting that over the past two practice matches Byrne and Dick controlled the back line against the Tiggers and Plowman, JGM and Dick were our best defenders against Port. There's a lot to like about Dick (as a figure of speech!), just wish he was little quicker... so to speak.
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We have to be careful though Baggers as to premature ejaculation of the ball out of the backline. Can result in undesirable consequences.
Don't think the Suns aren't gettable.
Hopefully they do a Dees this week and drink their own bath water and take us lightly.
Bookies.
Suns 1.21
Blues 4.40
Bookies.
Suns 1.21
Blues 4.40
Bombers are $8.00 .
That can't be right with all the outs Port have.
In: Buckley, Whiley Byrne
Out: Everitt, White, Lamb
Carlton's team to take on Gold Coast:
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 40. Michael Jamison 23. Jacob Weitering
Half-backs 39. Dale Thomas 17. Sam Rowe 42. Zach Tuohy
Centreline 15. Sam Docherty 4. Bryce Gibbs 46. Matthew Wright
Half-forwards 32. Nick Graham 41. Levi Casboult 30. Charlie Curnow
Forwards 11. Sam Kerridge 34. Andrew Phillips 12. Blaine Boekhorst
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 9. Patrick Cripps 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange 38. Ciaran Byrne 7. Dylan Buckley 24. Mark Whiley
35. Ed Curnow
Emergencies 28. David Cuningham 43. Simon White 22. Jason Tutt
In: Buckley, Whiley, Byrne
Out: Everitt (injured), White (omitted), Lamb (injured)
Out: Everitt (injured), White (omitted), Lamb (injured)
Guess the injury ;)!!
Heart muscle
Wow amazing, I actually thought White did okay last week. Great to see Byrne get his go and Bucks back in, Whiley I'm not so sure.
Heart muscle
Just great to see him out, we will be a better side for it mark my words.
Heart muscle
Yep. Might have to go on the long term injury list... please!
Just great to see him out, we will be a better side for it mark my words.
I agree. Don't give a stuff how many goals he kicks - the negatives from him squibbing contests outweigh the positives.
Wow amazing, I actually thought White did okay last week. Great to see Byrne get his go and Bucks back in, Whiley I'm not so sure.
Whiley was the best of our mids for the NBs against Port. Might just be the bloke for Ablett.
Whiley was the best of our mids for the NBs against Port. Might just be the bloke for Ablett.
Fair enough, not much else to go with anyway is there?
Whiley was the best of our mids for the NBs against Port. Might just be the bloke for Ablett.
Whileys big scalp for GWS was G. Ablett and that has been his major claim to fame along with his tackling.......I'd be concerned if he plays on Ablett this time....I could see 3 Brownlow votes for Gary Jr..
Just great to see him out, we will be a better side for it mark my words.
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Fair enough, not much else to go with anyway is there?
Yeah but this bloke is my new pet hate. IMO he is just a terrible footballer and I don't know what they see in him. Ordinary by hand and foot, is a good runner but thats about it. We have Ed to do that role, surely we don't need 2 in the side? Surely there is some one else thats fit enough that we can try apart from this bloke?
Whileys big scalp for GWS was G. Ablett and that has been his major claim to fame along with his tackling.......I'd be concerned if he plays on Ablett this time....I could see 3 Brownlow votes for Gary Jr..
Don't think he'll tag.
Think we'll try to make the stoppages a heavy contest.
I reckon they think he's a better option in the heat dishing handballs than Gibbs. Not usually a fumbler. Gibbs will be outside more often than not I think.
I am surprised that White has been left out not that I'm a fan. Just thought he did OK and that he was seen as steel in the team. I guess though Byrne will provide a lot more dash out of defence and I'm looking forward to seeing him. Whiley will give us more grunt in the engine room for sure and hopefully Gibbs can play an outside role more to his liking, even going forward as has been suggested.
As for Everitt, well is he really injured?
E.Curnow has played well on Ablett, I think he gets first crack.
Yeah but this bloke is my new pet hate. IMO he is just a terrible footballer and I don't know what they see in him. Ordinary by hand and foot, is a good runner but thats about it. We have Ed to do that role, surely we don't need 2 in the side? Surely there is some one else thats fit enough that we can try apart from this bloke?
He's a real Plain Jane that's for sure.
He's a real Plain Jane that's for sure.
Good description.
I am surprised that White has been left out not that I'm a fan. Just thought he did OK and that he was seen as steel in the team. I guess though Byrne will provide a lot more dash out of defence and I'm looking forward to seeing him. Whiley will give us more grunt in the engine room for sure and hopefully Gibbs can play an outside role more to his liking, even going forward as has been suggested.
As for Everitt, well is he really injured?
Think he is the victim of us needing more run, simple as that!
Yet to be impressed by Whiley, has looked lacking at senior level and I want to see something from him on Saturday that says "I am good enough to play at this level".
He's a real Plain Jane that's for sure.
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If he was playing footy in the back yard you'd close the blinds. :)
With Everitt out injured I'm surprised that White was dropped, we're going in a bit undersized seeing as Kreuzer and Phillips can't take a mark between them.
Good to see Byrne in, he looks very good and will only get better.
With Everitt out injured I'm surprised that White was dropped, we're going in a bit undersized seeing as Kreuzer and Phillips can't take a mark between them.
Good to see Byrne in, he looks very good and will only get better.
Gold coast are playing a smaller team this season and on their home fast track we probably need some more run to be bale to keep up with them.....
If it doesn't rain it's normally dewy up there anyway.
The ball might be on the deck for most of the game.
Very, very winnable game - on paper the GC side is pretty ordinary and inexperienced (Ablett, Rosa and a few others aside).
Statistically the GC midfield is the best performed in 2016.
Wow - didn't think we'd be going the tank so early, but with Whiley an inclusion, that's clearly the plan.
Why no Mr Plow? :o
Why no Mr Plow? :o
He's hardly played - no match conditioning or form to base it.
He's hardly played - no match conditioning or form to base it.
Yep..think I read BB said he is on track but needs more matchplay/fitness...saying all that if we get belted by GC I reckon he will be in the team next week....
my 2016 whipping boy gets a game prove me wrong mark whiley
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Looking good! (hopefully!)