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Title: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 17, 2017, 08:56:19 pm
Righto, haven't been a fan of us playing Friday night of late. I expect us to put up a good show though.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: PaulP on April 17, 2017, 09:14:36 pm
Port by 6 goals.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: townsendcalling on April 17, 2017, 10:50:38 pm
Watch the 'rotation of our youth' policy come into play. Some of our 'reserve' soldiers will be used for this one to give some of our young players s break. 
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on April 17, 2017, 11:08:46 pm
Watch the 'rotation of our youth' policy come into play. Some of our 'reserve' soldiers will be used for this one to give some of our young players s break.

Will be one of the things that interests me this year.

I think we're probably at the limit of young bodies we can throw in without it being reflected in scoreboard thrashings.

New kids may come in but probably at the expense of other young players.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 17, 2017, 11:55:54 pm
Growth and development vs an ugly scoreboard, I'd expect the trend of playing youth to continue and the likes of Polson, McKay to get games in the next few weeks.
There is a limit of how many young bodies you can play but I have the feeling the coach is reluctant to play players who in his mind have had their cards marked for the future. Only with a lot of injuries do I expect the likes of Armfield, Boekhorst, Graham, Jones, Jakcsh to get games...and then as we saw with Kerridge and Palmer they wont be in the team long if its keeping in form youth out...
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2017, 07:40:16 am
Growth and development vs an ugly scoreboard, I'd expect the trend of playing youth to continue and the likes of Polson, McKay to get games in the next few weeks.
There is a limit of how many young bodies you can play but I have the feeling the coach is reluctant to play players who in his mind have had their cards marked for the future. Only with a lot of injuries do I expect the likes of Armfield, Boekhorst, Graham, Jones, Jakcsh to get games...and then as we saw with Kerridge and Palmer they wont be in the team long if its keeping in form youth out...
Spot on EB, I reckon a line in the sand has been drawn by BB and co. whereby its youth first, spare tyres second. Loving the young kids having a decent  crack, that Zac Fisher can bloody well play.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cookie2 on April 18, 2017, 09:17:21 am
Growth and development vs an ugly scoreboard, I'd expect the trend of playing youth to continue and the likes of Polson, McKay to get games in the next few weeks.
There is a limit of how many young bodies you can play but I have the feeling the coach is reluctant to play players who in his mind have had their cards marked for the future. Only with a lot of injuries do I expect the likes of Armfield, Boekhorst, Graham, Jones, Jakcsh to get games...and then as we saw with Kerridge and Palmer they wont be in the team long if its keeping in form youth out...

Overall I think you are dead right EB. The non strategics will only be used sparingly as cover for youth rotations where necessary. Having said that I think we may see one or two this week.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2017, 01:10:01 pm
I reckon the boys will get on the road, bond well and chalk up win no. 2. PA are nothing special, just another team playing ok for now for a coach under the pump. Lets see how long it lasts.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: shawny on April 18, 2017, 07:06:28 pm
I reckon the boys will get on the road, bond well and chalk up win no. 2. PA are nothing special, just another team playing ok for now for a coach under the pump. Lets see how long it lasts.

Agree.

Definitely a winnable game.

Boys were out of legs in GC game, after a taxing game in the wet against the cheats.

Should be better prepared for this one - If our defensive structure holds up and the midfield group plays well we will go very close.




Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: maxm68 on April 18, 2017, 07:46:25 pm
Agree.

Definitely a winnable game.

If our defensive structure holds up and the midfield group plays well we will go very close.


I'm fairly happy with our defense and midfield.. ( I say fairly )

What about our forward line.... ?   Can we kick a winning score... ? Where are our Goals coming from.. ?

I'm not happy with our forward line... our Goal Scoring power is not there and I can't see 10 - 12 goals getting it done .... :(

Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: kruddler on April 18, 2017, 07:47:11 pm
I'm fairly happy with our defense and midfield.. ( I say fairly )

What about our forward line.... ?   Can we kick a winning score... ? Where are our Goals coming from.. ?

I'm not happy with our forward line... our Goal Scoring power is not there and I can't see 10 - 12 goals getting it done .... :(

Been saying that since the day the rookie draft finished.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Shakin77 on April 18, 2017, 07:50:07 pm
Our midfield doesn't bat deep enough at the moment.

But I agree.   We have a lot of eggs in the Harry McKay basket.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: shawny on April 18, 2017, 08:07:02 pm
Been saying that since the day the rookie draft finished.

I agree Krud but you cant fill all holes in 1 or 2 drafts.

I'm very happy with who we have selected and if you compare the last 2 drafts with the previous 10 we should all be over the moon!

As everyone knows we need 2-3 more mids and a few big forwards wouldn't go astray.

I'm confident we will improve that area in this years draft period. 

Sydney won a lot of games before Buddy arrived without big scoring power. Won a few flags as well. Port are not a top side. We have enough spread to kick a big enough score against them IMO.

 
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 18, 2017, 08:16:56 pm
I agree Krud but you cant fill all holes in 1 or 2 drafts.

I'm very happy with who we have selected and if you compare the last 2 drafts with the previous 10 we should all be over the moon!

As everyone knows we need 2-3 more mids and a few big forwards wouldn't go astray.

I'm confident we will improve that area in this years draft period. 

Sydney won a lot of games before Buddy arrived without big scoring power. Won a few flags as well. Port are not a top side. We have enough spread to kick a big enough score against them IMO.

 
Agree with all that. When you look at the GC game, despite all that firepower (Lynch, Wright and the crumbers), we held them bar 5 awfull minutes of footy which allowed them to freewheel out of the middle and stroll into the fwd line (P.S. that advantage paid to Ablett was a shocker and that rule is bigger blight on the game than any other IMO). PA dont have that firepower hence our defence (which I am loving) can hold them if we stick to our structures. Our mids needs to work and concentrate for 120 minutes (not 115, not even 119).
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Jack Burton on April 18, 2017, 08:28:38 pm
We need more mids
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: maxm68 on April 18, 2017, 08:39:03 pm

(P.S. that advantage paid to Ablett was a shocker and that rule is bigger blight on the game than any other IMO).


It's a farking joke of a rule.... the whole idea was to not blow the whistle and let play go on if it's an advantage. 

But when the umpire blows his whistle and 35 players stop except for one bloke with the ball it's a disgrace.

There should be no whistle or no advantage rule.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Jeffy38 on April 18, 2017, 08:40:15 pm
Our midfield doesn't bat deep enough at the moment.

But I agree.   We have a lot of eggs in the Harry McKay basket.

Yes we do, but we also have weitering, sos, curnow and Kerr as developing forwards.

Patience required. It also another few big guys through the draft as insurance.

If McKay is still struggling next year then we may need a big name but until then we have enough to develop - but not yet be competitive
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: BluePhantom on April 18, 2017, 08:50:13 pm
How is Kerr going?
Will he get a call up soon as part of the play the younguns policy?
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: DJC on April 18, 2017, 08:50:40 pm
It's a farking joke of a rule.... the whole idea was to not blow the whistle and let play go on if it's an advantage. 

But when the umpire blows his whistle and 35 players stop except for one bloke with the ball it's a disgrace.

There should be no whistle or no advantage rule.

Particularly when we were called back when there was a clear advantage and allowed to play on when there was no advantage.

If the play stops, as happened with the Ablett goal, there shouldn't be an advantage opportunity.  If the play is continuous, allowing advantage is appropriate.

It's not rocket science but it should be within the competence of all umpires to determine when to apply the advantage rule.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cookie2 on April 18, 2017, 09:28:15 pm
It's a farking joke of a rule.... the whole idea was to not blow the whistle and let play go on if it's an advantage. 

But when the umpire blows his whistle and 35 players stop except for one bloke with the ball it's a disgrace.

There should be no whistle or no advantage rule.

I've been on that hobby horse for years M68!
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on April 18, 2017, 09:29:01 pm
Particularly when we were called back when there was a clear advantage and allowed to play on when there was no advantage.

If the play stops, as happened with the Ablett goal, there shouldn't be an advantage opportunity.  If the play is continuous, allowing advantage is appropriate.

It's not rocket science but it should be within the competence of all umpires to determine when to apply the advantage rule.

There's no excuse for letting a mistaken advantage call proceed.

It's one of the few times a ump can change his mind and re-start play.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 18, 2017, 09:37:49 pm
How is Kerr going?
Will he get a call up soon as part of the play the younguns policy?

Be later down the track when he might get a game IMO. been impressed with his mobility and kicking, I thought he was your stay at home traditional FF type but he has been played up the field in the NB's and reminded me a bit of Jake Stringer with some of his work. Doesnt get enough of the footy at this stage to warrant a game but when he does get it he looks like a good footballer...for pick 65 or whateva he was there is some value and reason to be very optimistic about his future.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Jeffy38 on April 18, 2017, 09:39:33 pm
What he said ????
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on April 18, 2017, 09:47:19 pm
It's a farking joke of a rule.... the whole idea was to not blow the whistle and let play go on if it's an advantage. 

But when the umpire blows his whistle and 35 players stop except for one bloke with the ball it's a disgrace.

There should be no whistle or no advantage rule.

Agreed.
There were a couple of times when I could've sworn 'he' had his own personal umpire ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: DJC on April 18, 2017, 10:34:39 pm
There's no excuse for letting a mistaken advantage call proceed.

It's one of the few times a ump can change his mind and re-start play.

Exactly!

In the context of our last game, we should have had one advantage call revoked and Ablett's goal should have been disallowed and the ball brought back for a free kick.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: BluePhantom on April 19, 2017, 08:42:48 am
Be later down the track when he might get a game IMO. been impressed with his mobility and kicking, I thought he was your stay at home traditional FF type but he has been played up the field in the NB's and reminded me a bit of Jake Stringer with some of his work. Doesnt get enough of the footy at this stage to warrant a game but when he does get it he looks like a good footballer...for pick 65 or whateva he was there is some value and reason to be very optimistic about his future.

Thanks EB1, be great if he comes good. Sounds like it won't be from the want of trying :)
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Pratty on April 19, 2017, 10:03:56 am
For me - out Thomas and in Polson this week.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: malo on April 19, 2017, 10:04:58 am
Exactly!

In the context of our last game, we should have had one advantage call revoked and Ablett's goal should have been disallowed and the ball brought back for a free kick.

Why, oh why is it so hard ?  The advantage rule is implemented perfectly in Soccer & Rugby Union, there is no whistle until the ref sees that there is no advantage in the follow up play...then the ball is brought back for the free.  But, I guess that would be too much of a stop to the AFLs rabid obsession with the frenetic play on at all costs game that they seem intent on manufacturing.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: bigblue on April 19, 2017, 03:57:48 pm
Hearing Polson a definite in this week BUT
 Crippa Kruez and Weiters struggling to be fit  for this week.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Peter Brady on April 19, 2017, 05:38:16 pm
Cripps and Weitering both need a rest.
Weitering has spent a fair bit of time on the sidelines this season due to knocks in games.
We don't know for sure because we're not him, but at times last week his body language suggested he'd just about had enough of the constant battering.
He looks like a player not enjoying his football. His confidence appears to be down and where last season he'd approach the ball with a surety and back himself this year he appears to be tentative.
Give him a week or two off and he may show the benefits of that in the second half of the season.
On balance I'm not sure the forward experiment is giving us the benefit we lose by having him not playing down back. Are we that much better with him as our key forward target?
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Thryleon on April 19, 2017, 05:44:27 pm
Cripps and Weitering both need a rest.
Weitering has spent a fair bit of time on the sidelines this season due to knocks in games.
We don't know for sure because we're not him, but at times last week his body language suggested he'd just about had enough of the constant battering.
He looks like a player not enjoying his football. His confidence appears to be down and where last season he'd approach the ball with a surety and back himself this year he appears to be tentative.
Give him a week or two off and he may show the benefits of that in the second half of the season.
On balance I'm not sure the forward experiment is giving us the benefit we lose by having him not playing down back. Are we that much better with him as our key forward target?

Difficult question to answer, but you could argue that if Weitering went back, the one out would be Macreadie, and then we would be looking for a key forward instead.

So, on current form, we are ahead, because Weitering is doing a fairly decent job forward, and the alternatives to him there would be Jones, Jaksch, or even Rowe.  We saw what happened against GC when Rowe went forward.

Macreadie has been an absolute steal at this point and is playing some really good footy for us for a newbie.  I dont know how he hasnt gotten a few more plaudits from the commentators for it.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: BluePhantom on April 19, 2017, 06:38:29 pm
Difficult question to answer, but you could argue that if Weitering went back, the one out would be Macreadie, and then we would be looking for a key forward instead.

So, on current form, we are ahead, because Weitering is doing a fairly decent job forward, and the alternatives to him there would be Jones, Jaksch, or even Rowe.  We saw what happened against GC when Rowe went forward.

Macreadie has been an absolute steal at this point and is playing some really good footy for us for a newbie. I dont know how he hasnt gotten a few more plaudits from the commentators for it.

Because he plays for Carlton! :o ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on April 19, 2017, 06:40:22 pm
Hearing Polson a definite in this week BUT
 Crippa Kruez and Weiters struggling to be fit  for this week.

If you're going to use people's material at least acknowledge the source.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: jeza on April 19, 2017, 08:28:18 pm
Macreadie and Williamson both look like excellent late picks - maybe add Polson to that list this week. Really like the look of our recruiting of late.

I wonder if our ex-GWS gambling recruiter contributed to our drafting this year (off the books) whilst suspended. He would have known he's walking into the Carlton job this year so it seems likely. And as long as he does it informally and is not paid for it I can't imagine it being a problem. He'd have known a lot about Macreadie who joined the GWS academy post SOS.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: townsendcalling on April 19, 2017, 08:34:05 pm
Given that we are in a development year and not being defined by wins and losses, our youngsters will have their workloads carefully monitored.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Wallsy on April 19, 2017, 10:14:42 pm
If you're going to use people's material at least acknowledge the source.

He doesn't have to
It's an internet fan footy  forum FFS
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on April 19, 2017, 10:27:39 pm
He doesn't have to
It's an internet fan footy  forum FFS

Whatever.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: bigblue on April 20, 2017, 09:35:34 am
If you're going to use people's material at least acknowledge the source.

Some bloke at work  :o
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: laj on April 20, 2017, 11:25:52 am
Looks like Polson and Phillips in for Kreuzer and Thomas, who are both sore.

https://twitter.com/MaccaHeraldSun?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://www.zerohanger.com/just-bolton-rules-two-key-blues-power-clash-11499/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=AFL+Trade+Rumours
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: hotspur on April 20, 2017, 11:34:28 am
Looks like Polson and Phillips in for Kreuzer and Thomas, who are both sore.

https://twitter.com/MaccaHeraldSun?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://www.zerohanger.com/just-bolton-rules-two-key-blues-power-clash-11499/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=AFL+Trade+Rumours
All the Thomas haters have got their wish. Congratulations to Polson wonderful news ,give it your best shot . Kreuzer is out unfortunately ,Phillips back in ,I am sure he will be adequate as a ruckman but is  he fit enough .I suppose  we have no choice as  Gorringe also injured. 
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: crashlander on April 20, 2017, 11:41:52 am
At the moment Port's ruck stocks are not high, but Trengove has got a ot of the ball as another on-baller. We must make sure that does not happen.
Phillips was OK last week, but not at his best. I hope he has the stamina to go against Port.
Otherwise we are down to Casboult and Rowe. That is a frightening thought.

Congratulations to Polson for getting his chance to impress.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: LP on April 20, 2017, 11:45:43 am
At the moment Port's ruck stocks are not high, but Trengove has got a ot of the ball as another on-baller. We must make sure that does not happen.
Phillips was OK last week, but not at his best. I hope he has the stamina to go against Port.
Otherwise we are down to Casboult and Rowe. That is a frightening thought.

Congratulations to Polson for getting his chance to impress.

Ryder's suspension is done, he should be clear to return this week.

He had 48 hit outs against Sam Jacobs in Rnd 3, not that Hit Outs really mean much, but that is a fair performance against a non-spud ruckmen! :o
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2017, 12:20:12 pm
Kreuzer is a big out, he normally tears it up against PA.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Baggers on April 20, 2017, 12:27:45 pm
All the Thomas haters have got their wish. Congratulations to Polson wonderful news ,give it your best shot . Kreuzer is out unfortunately ,Phillips back in ,I am sure he will be adequate as a ruckman but is  he fit enough .I suppose  we have no choice as  Gorringe also injured.

I don't think anyone hates Daisy. He's well liked and doing his best, just that, sadly, his best doesn't seem to be any better than an honest average these days.

Glad Crippa has come up.

Ripper that young Polson gets his initiation.

Hopefully 'Flip' can take a leaf out of the Tractor's book re second, third, fourth efforts...
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: flyboy77 on April 20, 2017, 12:31:06 pm
we've certainly got some real speed on the park with SPS, Pickett, Polson, Williamson.

I reckon Pickett will have a break out game soon and kick 5 or so. hopefully tomorrow.

A very winnable game, even without Special K.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: LP on April 20, 2017, 12:34:04 pm
Hopefully 'Flip' can take a leaf out of the Tractor's book re second, third, fourth efforts...

I think the new 3rd man rule changes greatly improve Phillips chances against Ryder, they are both high jumpers and assuming Phillips is right to go he should be a reasonable match.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: NudeNut on April 20, 2017, 01:36:40 pm
Looks like Polson and Phillips in for Kreuzer and Thomas, who are both sore.

https://twitter.com/MaccaHeraldSun?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

https://www.zerohanger.com/just-bolton-rules-two-key-blues-power-clash-11499/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=AFL+Trade+Rumours

That's 8 out of our 11 draft picks from 2015 and 2016 playing this week, awesome result. Out of the three that aren't two are big Forwards that I expect will play in the future.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: crashlander on April 20, 2017, 02:31:33 pm
I think the new 3rd man rule changes greatly improve Phillips chances against Ryder, they are both high jumpers and assuming Phillips is right to go he should be a reasonable match.
Has Ryder completed his ban? That is a pity.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: BluePhantom on April 20, 2017, 02:35:39 pm
I hate Port, right up there with Essenscum... but not quite there yet  ;)

I hope and have confidence that we will take it right up to them.

Something that hasn't been mentioned is our ability to score a little easier. We have a few avenues to goal and seem to be hitting the score board more often than last year.
So if our backline stands up and our midfield runs BOTH ways we should be thereabouts.
Oh did I say I hate Port?

Go Baby Blues!
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: BluePhantom on April 20, 2017, 02:46:32 pm
Just saw this from Port supporters
"Taking into account PAFC's mental frailties when playing teams below us, this is anyone's game"

And were talking about how Dixon is their only key forward. LOL

Go out hard early boys >:D
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: blue4life on April 20, 2017, 03:17:20 pm
With Kreuzer and Thomas out our side is ridiculously young and inexperienced,  unless Port have an absolute shocker we shouldn't get within 7 or 8 goals on their dung heap.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: sandsmere on April 20, 2017, 03:29:07 pm
With Kreuzer and Thomas out our side is ridiculously young and inexperienced,  unless Port have an absolute shocker we shouldn't get within 7 or 8 goals on their dung heap.

True.

I don't mind giving the young blokes plenty of games as long as all our supporters keep following us.
I can see a few hidings coming up, but can see it will help in the long run.

Not so sure everybody else will see it that way though. We have some very fickle supporters these days.

Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: blue4life on April 20, 2017, 04:07:25 pm
True.

I don't mind giving the young blokes plenty of games as long as all our supporters keep following us.
I can see a few hidings coming up, but can see it will help in the long run.

Not so sure everybody else will see it that way though. We have some very fickle supporters these days.

I'm not sure we can afford too many more thrashings no matter what pot of gold we're promised at the end of the rainbow.
It's more than 15 years since we were truly competitive, being a Carlton supporter in the 21st century has been about the toughest gig in football.
We didn't miss a Melbourne game during our wooden spoons under Pagan but the prolonged sense of failure wears even the staunchest supporter down.
These days I go to the game when I feel like it, and never with any real sense of optimism. 
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: PaulP on April 20, 2017, 04:12:08 pm
I'm not sure we can afford too many more thrashings no matter what pot of gold we're promised at the end of the rainbow.
It's more than 15 years since we were truly competitive, being a Carlton supporter in the 21st century has been about the toughest gig in football.
We didn't miss a Melbourne game during our wooden spoons under Pagan but the prolonged sense of failure wears even the staunchest supporter down.
These days I go to the game when I feel like it, and never with any real sense of optimism.

There's the kicker - "truly" competitive
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on April 20, 2017, 04:31:30 pm
I don't think anyone hates Daisy. He's well liked and doing his best, just that, sadly, his best doesn't seem to be any better than an honest average these days.

Glad Crippa has come up.

Ripper that young Polson gets his initiation.

Hopefully 'Flip' can take a leaf out of the Tractor's book re second, third, fourth efforts...

I think we can say with certainty there's quite a few Daisy haters.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cookie2 on April 20, 2017, 04:41:29 pm
I was pretty sure we would rest a couple of youngsters this week in favour of a couple of more mature soldiers. Looks like that won't happen and we will keep the faith with youth! Great in a way but just hope they don't get beat up too much.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: BluePhantom on April 20, 2017, 04:51:58 pm
With Kreuzer and Thomas out our side is ridiculously young and inexperienced,  unless Port have an absolute shocker we shouldn't get within 7 or 8 goals on their dung heap.

Well that is one less game Thomas will get to reach his 15 game trigger.
Maybe BB will drag it out over the year and he will miss it by one game ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Jeffy38 on April 20, 2017, 04:55:24 pm
I'm not sure we can afford too many more thrashings no matter what pot of gold we're promised at the end of the rainbow.
It's more than 15 years since we were truly competitive, being a Carlton supporter in the 21st century has been about the toughest gig in football.
We didn't miss a Melbourne game during our wooden spoons under Pagan but the prolonged sense of failure wears even the staunchest supporter down.
These days I go to the game when I feel like it, and never with any real sense of optimism.

Take your point, but my concern is not the rusted on supporters like yourself (and me), but the young kids. When i was growing up Carlton were successful and therefore was an easy choice. No kids in their right mind would choose the blues now unless forced by parents (such as in my case).

Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 20, 2017, 05:08:18 pm
I think we can say with certainty there's quite a few Daisy haters.

He was Booed at the GC game during the intro, on the field and some supporters even after the game just wanted to talk about his game and nothing else.
I'm no fan but I dont hate him and reckon he is trying but I wonder if this weeks rest is about giving him a mental break as well..
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: PaulP on April 20, 2017, 05:18:24 pm
Potential Cripps v SPP match up - both young, big bodied WA mids. Hopefully it eventuates. Should be a ripper.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Lods on April 20, 2017, 05:22:46 pm
Take your point, but my concern is not the rusted on supporters like yourself (and me), but the young kids. When i was growing up Carlton were successful and therefore was an easy choice. No kids in their right mind would choose the blues now unless forced by parents (such as in my case).

Very true.
Monday mornings in the schoolyard were a time to walk tall if you were a Carlton supporter during my high school years.

You would have felt sorry for the kids that barracked for Footscray, Fitzroy, Melbourne and North....but there weren't any!
There's the danger ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: flyboy77 on April 20, 2017, 05:24:11 pm
Potential Cripps v SPP match up - both young, big bodied WA mids. Hopefully it eventuates. Should be a ripper.

Cripps does have a few kg and about 8cm advantage!
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: blue4life on April 20, 2017, 05:29:54 pm
The behaviour towards and lack of support shown by some of our supporters towards Dale Thomas is symptomatic of the losing mentality which has pervaded the club.
Back in the days of our great sides of the 70's and 80's booing a Carlton player would have earned you a broken nose.
We had some also rans back then right enough but the Navy Blue jumper was enough to earn them universal respect from the supporters.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2017, 05:34:17 pm
Saw a video on instagram of the boys running out onto the Adelaide Oval for a training session, big crew/squad including:
Kerridge
Armfield
Cunningham
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: townsendcalling on April 20, 2017, 06:12:57 pm
We put in a very inexperienced team against the Saints in the JLT and it was ugly.  There are a few older heads this time, but still has the potential to be ugly!
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on April 20, 2017, 06:20:32 pm
He was Booed at the GC game during the intro, on the field and some supporters even after the game just wanted to talk about his game and nothing else.
I'm no fan but I dont hate him and reckon he is trying but I wonder if this weeks rest is about giving him a mental break as well..

I get annoyed with players but the bile directed at Thomas is disgusting.


Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Professer E on April 20, 2017, 06:32:40 pm
I don't condone the booing any player (other than drug cheats) but Thomas is, IMO, suffering from "supporters having had a gutful of mediocrity syndrome".  He ain't the only player who gets abuse screamed at him every week.... Rowe (spud!),  White (spud!), Casboult (learn to kick ya clown!), Kerridge (turnover merchant!), Murphy (soft!) and Gibbs (get ya hands dirty jibs!)..... I hear these blokes castigated by these lales all the time but they don't get booed.Thomas has had four years to earn respect through actions...  and hasn't delivered so he has left himself open to criticism.  If he could turn it around I'd fathom the crowd would very quickly jump on his bandwagon.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: DJC on April 20, 2017, 06:34:00 pm
The behaviour towards and lack of support shown by some of our supporters towards Dale Thomas is symptomatic of the losing mentality which has pervaded the club.
Back in the days of our great sides of the 70's and 80's booing a Carlton player would have earned you a broken nose.
We had some also rans back then right enough but the Navy Blue jumper was enough to earn them universal respect from the supporters.

Yep!

I get annoyed with players but the bile directed at Thomas is disgusting.

Bound by Blue should mean something to supporters.  Some folk may think that Thomas has become a spud but they should remember that he's our spud and treat him with the respect due to a bloke wearing the Navy Blue!
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2017, 07:01:51 pm
Yep!

Bound by Blue should mean something to supporters.  Some folk may think that Thomas has become a spud but they should remember that he's our spud and treat him with the respect due to a bloke wearing the Navy Blue!
@ DJC and cimm1979 Well said
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Baggers on April 20, 2017, 07:15:56 pm
The behaviour towards and lack of support shown by some of our supporters towards Dale Thomas is symptomatic of the losing mentality which has pervaded the club.
Back in the days of our great sides of the 70's and 80's booing a Carlton player would have earned you a broken nose.
We had some also rans back then right enough but the Navy Blue jumper was enough to earn them universal respect from the supporters.

Well said.

I've never booed one of ours, ever, but over the past 15 years I've muttered under my breath a few expletives in relation to the lack of effort and mistakes made by some blokes who've donned the great navy blue and insulted it (with their unCFClike performance). I want to love every bloke who represents us, but if I reckon he's letting the side down I sure as hell will forget loyalty to that individual and voice criticism on this forum, with mates... but never publicly at the ground (booing). In fact, Mrs Baggers and I both don't like booing ...full stop. As much as I would like to boo cheats.com.au I wouldn't, though if I had a chance to vomit on them, I would  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: BluePhantom on April 20, 2017, 07:19:00 pm
We better do well in this game otherwise we will never get a Friday game. ::)
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2017, 07:22:28 pm
I still reckon we will win.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: crashlander on April 20, 2017, 08:05:18 pm
Carlton

B: Tom Williamson, Caleb Marchbank, Lachie Plowman.
HB: Sam Docherty, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson.
C: Ed Curnow, Patrick Cripps, Cameron Polson.
HF: Jarrod Pickett, Levi Casboult, Charlie Curnow.
F: Jack Silvagni, Jacob Weitering, Matthew Wright.
R: Andrew Phillips, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy.
Int: Zac Fisher, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Harrison Macreadie, Simon White.

Emg: Dennis Armfield, Sam Kerridge, David Cuningham.

In: Cameron Polson, Andrew Phillips.

Out: Dale Thomas (Soreness), Matthew Kreuzer (Soreness).

New: Cameron Polson


Port Adelaide

B: Darcy Byrne-Jones, Tom Clurey, Dan Houston.
HB: Matthew Broadbent, Tom Jonas, Hamish Hartlett.
C: Brad Ebert, Ollie Wines, Jared Polec.
HF: Robbie Gray, Justin Westhoff, Chad Wingard.
F: Sam Gray, Charlie Dixon, Jackson Trengove.
R: Paddy Ryder, Travis Boak, Sam Powell-Pepper.
Int: Aaron Young, Karl Amon, Jarman Impey, Jasper Pittard.

Emg: Brett Eddy, Aidyn Johnson, Brendon Ah Chee.

In: Paddy Ryder.

Out: Matthew White (Omitted)
 
We do have a very young team out there!
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: blue4life on April 20, 2017, 08:30:57 pm
As much as I would like to boo cheats.com.au I wouldn't, though if I had a chance to vomit on them, I would  ;D

I remember Essendon supporters waving wooden spoons at us at the MCG back when we first hit bottom, I was dumbfounded to think that large numbers of adults had purchased these items and carried them to the ground with the intention of belittling the supporters and members of a rival football club.
They only belittled their own club, which is what our own supporters do whenever they boo Dale Thomas.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on April 20, 2017, 08:58:06 pm
Congratulations Cam Polson on a well deserved debut.
Wear the Navy Blue with pride and passion.
Can't wait to see Cam in action with the baby Blues.
Do us proud.

All the best to Flippa on his return from LTI.

Go Blues
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on April 20, 2017, 09:05:39 pm
I remember Essendon supporters waving wooden spoons at us at the MCG back when we first hit bottom, I was dumbfounded to think that large numbers of adults had purchased these items and carried them to the ground with the intention of belittling the supporters and members of a rival football club.
They only belittled their own club, which is what our own supporters do whenever they boo Dale Thomas.

I have no words for this. Shame on these people :o
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: cookie2 on April 20, 2017, 09:16:33 pm
I remember Essendon supporters waving wooden spoons at us at the MCG back when we first hit bottom, I was dumbfounded to think that large numbers of adults had purchased these items and carried them to the ground with the intention of belittling the supporters and members of a rival football club.
They only belittled their own club, which is what our own supporters do whenever they boo Dale Thomas.

I was at that game. Just another reinforcement of my hatred of those ferals.

I really only ever boo the umps if they make a real howler, and some opposition players in extreme situations, e.g. I did loudly boo Milburn off the ground when he pole-axed SOS back in 2001.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 20, 2017, 10:03:26 pm
Port backline looks a bit small and rubbery.....unlike their centre and half forward line.....Gray and Wingard are ultra dangerous for us, we are very slow learners with players who are repeat game winners, hope Bolton has some plans for these two and not the same players who get burnt on them like in previous games.
Aaron Young is another underestimated player who needs a tight tag, gets too many easy goals...
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 20, 2017, 10:16:51 pm
Port backline looks a bit small and rubbery.....unlike their centre and half forward line.....Gray and Wingard are ultra dangerous for us, we are very slow learners with players who are repeat game winners, hope Bolton has some plans for these two and not the same players who get burnt on them like in previous games.
Aaron Young is another underestimated player who needs a tight tag, gets too many easy goals...
Spot on EB. IMO, we dont need to do alot wrong to throw it away, but if we play with intensity and stick to a plan, we can win, I simply dont rate Port. They hit their straps a fews years ago and I dont think they will get any better.
Our last 20 games against them read as follows

LLLDLLWLWWWWWLWWLLWW

Bookies are offering $7.50, I'd like a piece of that.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Thryleon on April 20, 2017, 11:16:00 pm
The elephant in the room being ignored.

Etihad stadium

Kreuzer and Daisy have been fine in terms of condition but one match there and neither are available the following week.

In any case good luck to Phillips and Polson.

His name was Cameron polson.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: sandsmere on April 21, 2017, 06:19:10 am
Kreuse and Daisy out with " soreness ".

I wonder how long Cripps can keep going without some extra help. Him and  Murph are carrying a huge load right now.
Pre-draft there was a lot of talk on here about getting some hard bodies in to help him. didn't happen.

I'm all for playing the kids, but half a dozen of them at once?????


An article on the AFL website is saying Cripps isn't playing like he has in the last couple of seasons.
 No wonder. he needs some bloody help or he'll go down.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but Port by around 10 goals would not surprise me.

 
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: BluePhantom on April 21, 2017, 07:23:49 am
I hope it keeps raining.  Might even things up.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: sandsmere on April 21, 2017, 07:37:10 am
I hope it keeps raining.  Might even things up.

Now that would be a plus.

We are a 50-50 chance if that happens.  :D
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: LP on April 21, 2017, 07:47:40 am
Now that would be a plus.

We are a 50-50 chance if that happens.  :D

Yep, the kids are not as precious about getting muddy compared to the seasoned AFL players who develop a penchant for roof covered bowling greens!
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Professer E on April 21, 2017, 07:58:07 am
Don't be surprised if there aren't a few more changes if it keeps raining.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: PaulP on April 21, 2017, 08:27:38 am
Weather forecast for Adelaide says showers only in the morning, and even then only 50% chance.

http://www.bom.gov.au/sa/forecasts/adelaide.shtml
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: blue4life on April 21, 2017, 03:11:05 pm
.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but Port by around 10 goals would not surprise me.

Nor me, Port are no more than an average side but this Carlton team is the most inexperienced I've seen by a long way.
Our young guns in Cripps and Weitering have only just been going, we sadly lack fire-power up front and our only class ruckman is missing, 10 goals won't surprise me at all and it could get worse than that.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 21, 2017, 03:25:56 pm
Have some faith kiddies, PA are not that good.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: LP on April 21, 2017, 04:52:10 pm
Cripps will really miss SpecialK, as a duo they make a significant contribution to our clearances due to SpecialK's 2nd efforts. Phillips is someway off making that level of 2nd effort.

SpecialK doesn't stop, there is no hesitation between the hit out and the continuation of play, Kreuzer and Mumford are the two best in the league in this regard and by some margin.

Phillips is OK but not nearly as good as Kreuzer.

Most rucks hesitate momentarily to see who is where and what is happening, just a fraction of a second. Casboult is particularly bad at hesitating, it takes him a second or so to get his bearings and decide what to do next. Jones was about the same but looked better with the NBs in the first game, I won't judge him on last week as that was against kids.

Gorringe is not a ruckmen, he's miles away, he is more like another Rowe in the making.

Korcheck cannot be judged, he's so raw he doesn't know what to do even when he's got his bearings. Which is odd because Ex.Basketballers are usually quite good in traffic. I think Korcheck should really have gone down the Rugby route!
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 21, 2017, 05:03:47 pm
Kreuse and Daisy out with " soreness ".

I wonder how long Cripps can keep going without some extra help. Him and  Murph are carrying a huge load right now.
Pre-draft there was a lot of talk on here about getting some hard bodies in to help him. didn't happen.

I'm all for playing the kids, but half a dozen of them at once?????


An article on the AFL website is saying Cripps isn't playing like he has in the last couple of seasons.
 No wonder. he needs some bloody help or he'll go down.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but Port by around 10 goals would not surprise me.

Glad you agree we needed/need to get Cripps another big bodied mid or two to help him out, a few of us said that pre-draft but SOS and crew
didnt think it was a priority....Cripps gets a hard tag every week and I expect Port to do the same, I think we are a chance but I would expect Ryder to do well and give Port first use
especially with Philips playing his first senior game for the year. Port are not that great down back IMO and I think we will be competitive providing we convert our chances....
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Wet Willie on April 21, 2017, 05:37:55 pm
That old chestnut...
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 21, 2017, 06:47:51 pm
No late changes for us
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 21, 2017, 06:59:29 pm
Hartlett out for them
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: LoveNavy on April 21, 2017, 07:10:51 pm
Go new Blues.

All the best to Flippa, Polson, and the rest of the kiddies.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: kruddler on April 21, 2017, 07:12:18 pm
His name was Cameron polson.

He's not dead! ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Robblues on April 21, 2017, 07:33:08 pm
Looking forward to this one, the last wet affair we applied the pressure and shone
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 21, 2017, 07:35:32 pm
Looking forward to this one, the last wet affair we applied the pressure and shone
She looks dry and nuns nasty Robbo.
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: Robblues on April 21, 2017, 07:37:21 pm
Bugger well get the hose out . Read during the day it was going to be wet, better turn on the box
Title: Re: 2017 Round 5 : Pre Game thread - Port Adelaide V Carlton
Post by: PaulP on April 21, 2017, 09:01:40 pm
Mods, please lock this up.