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The Meat Pies are playing Geelong this afternoon. They then have 6 days until we greet them at the MCG next Saturday.
I hope we give them the sort of reception that becomes a Pie Eating Competition!

We will sack Buckley :))

We will sack Buckley :))

Would help if Geelong play some decent footy and not be 19pts behind.

If the Filth play like this (ie v the Pussies) and we play like we did yesterday, should be a cracker.

We will sack Buckley :))

Could've if they didn't get up against the pussy cats.

Could've if they didn't get up against the pussy cats.

Still reckon them losing to a young rebuilding arch rival will be a bitter pill
for them to swallow.  Also it's their 125 year celebration match so the after party will be flat we we get them.

Supporters wanting Buckleys blood will very quickly forget last weeks win if we get the points and Buckley will again be in the firing line.

Having said that I think they will give it all to get the win against us and we will need to play our best footy to have a chance. Not so confident next week as I was this week.

I don't want to say it... and I don't really care of the repercussions of reports an fines but if there was a line in sand game - this is it...I mean harrassment, brawls... require this game to be a fight more than football. This teams needs to draw a line in the sand that will not accept bruise free footy

I don't want to say it... and I don't really care of the repercussions of reports an fines but if there was a line in sand game - this is it...I mean harrassment, brawls... require this game to be a fight more than football. This teams needs to draw a line in the sand that will not accept bruise free footy

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I think your post belongs in 2015  ;)

I don't want to say it... and I don't really care of the repercussions of reports an fines but if there was a line in sand game - this is it...I mean harrassment, brawls... require this game to be a fight more than football. This teams needs to draw a line in the sand that will not accept bruise free footy

Is this a serious post?

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I think your post belongs in 2015  ;)

or 1984

Collingwood, please, please select Mason Cox.  It is always handy to play against 21 players rather than 22. 

Them winning today was much better for our chances next week than them losing.

They have actually played ok for most of the year, just have missed too many opportunities and then fallen over.

There is less pressure,  but the expectation will be that they can and will likely account for us easily enough.

Which is exactly what we need for them to underestimate our chances.

I don't want to say it... and I don't really care of the repercussions of reports an fines but if there was a line in sand game - this is it...I mean harrassment, brawls... require this game to be a fight more than football. This teams needs to draw a line in the sand that will not accept bruise free footy

I think ACoS made the backline stand taller, a lot of the performance we saw from Docherty and Simpson came of the back of the lift they got knowing someone's got their back. They had confidence to attack the footy, and confidence to leave their opponent.

It's amazing the difference just one extra experienced player makes!

The whole team benefited from that!

Reckon jones for sos as the only chance this week. If he is used in similar capacity to the bullants I think he will give kruezer a better chop out than meat and will give grundy something to think about as both he and kruezer can hit the scoreboard when resting forward.

Reckon casboult will be given license to jump at everything up forward which is what we need. When he is rucking we lack the get out kick so if he stays in and around the fed 50 we are far more dangerous

I think ACoS made the backline stand taller, a lot of the performance we saw from Docherty and Simpson came of the back of the lift they got knowing someone's got their back. They had confidence to attack the footy, and confidence to leave their opponent.

It's amazing the difference just one extra experienced player makes!

The whole team benefited from that!

Like ....thumbs up emo

Reckon jones for sos as the only chance this week. If he is used in similar capacity to the bullants I think he will give kruezer a better chop out than meat and will give grundy something to think about as both he and kruezer can hit the scoreboard when resting forward.

Reckon casboult will be given license to jump at everything up forward which is what we need. When he is rucking we lack the get out kick so if he stays in and around the fed 50 we are far more dangerous

Nice... I feel Levi has alot of confidence at the moment and is enjoying his footy. Keep going please Cas.

There are some things we do need to address:
[1] Grundy usually plays well against us, which gives their mids a huge advantage.
One of the reasons we won against Sydney was because Kreuzer dominated in the ruck, Sinclair got more ball around the ground, but Kreuzer did the things that really made a difference.
Kreuzer has often been below his best against Collingwood, usually because of injury. Thankfully Kreuzer is now playing some of his best football, but I see this as something we need to address.

[2] Collingwood's small forwards get their goals and often play reasonably well against us. We need to make the right match-ups, as the Collingwood small forwards are the guys we need to shut down. They kick inspirational goals when they kick them at all. We want to squash that.

[3] We need to smother their mids like we did Sydney's. It was one of the best defensive efforts our mids have produced and we need to see it again.

Fisher has a hamstring injury. Silvagni will probably miss with a shoulder injury. Weitering has a number of niggles. We cannot guarantee that any of these 3 will come up.
Jones has probably done enough for a go, as he now has some new strings to his bow.

Collingwood, like the Swans, are one of those teams where the whole is distinctly less than the sum of the parts.

Pendles and Sidebottom are still their best players and best playmakers. Both need to be tagged. Curnow E and Kerridge ?.

Greenwood is in the mould of Ling - a very good tagger who can also find the ball and be creative. Will go to Cripps, at least for part of the game. Underrated is Greenwood IMO.

I wonder if Howe will get the job on Cas ? Both very good in the air, but Howe might be a bit too nimble for Cas.

Treloar and Adams ore ok in the midfield, but not up to the level of Pendles and SS. Treloar in particular, has not yet hit full stride, and whilst he covers a lot of ground, his disposal and decision making let him down a little more than they should. I feel we could cover both.

Elliott is still regaining match fitness, so nowhere near his pre-injury form. Ditto Wells, although he looked a little sharper on the weekend.

Moore is their best forward, and dragging him away from the F50 would be a win IMO. Fasolo has the big time yips, and I'd be happy for him to be having the majority of the shots on goal. Overrated, and most of our back line can cover him easily.

Will Varcoe recover in time ? He works hard, and gives them some spark and zip they don't really have elsewhere.

Cox has gone backwards after a promising start. Looks uncoordinated, and makes some dopey decisions. Not worried about him at all.

Barring injuries, and maybe the inclusion of someone like Kerridge to cover their midfield depth, I'd like the same team that played on the weekend, both position and personnel.

Don't think kerridge will come in, not from what I saw anyway.

For balance it's out of jones and Kerr to replace sos. Hard to not put daisy in to replace fisher if he has done a hammy.

Collingwood, like the Swans, are one of those teams where the whole is distinctly less than the sum of the parts.

Pendles and Sidebottom are still their best players and best playmakers. Both need to be tagged. Curnow E and Kerridge ?.

Greenwood is in the mould of Ling - a very good tagger who can also find the ball and be creative. Will go to Cripps, at least for part of the game. Underrated is Greenwood IMO.

I wonder if Howe will get the job on Cas ? Both very good in the air, but Howe might be a bit too nimble for Cas.

Treloar and Adams ore ok in the midfield, but not up to the level of Pendles and SS. Treloar in particular, has not yet hit full stride, and whilst he covers a lot of ground, his disposal and decision making let him down a little more than they should. I feel we could cover both.

Elliott is still regaining match fitness, so nowhere near his pre-injury form. Ditto Wells, although he looked a little sharper on the weekend.

Moore is their best forward, and dragging him away from the F50 would be a win IMO. Fasolo has the big time yips, and I'd be happy for him to be having the majority of the shots on goal. Overrated, and most of our back line can cover him easily.

Will Varcoe recover in time ? He works hard, and gives them some spark and zip they don't really have elsewhere.

Cox has gone backwards after a promising start. Looks uncoordinated, and makes some dopey decisions. Not worried about him at all.

Barring injuries, and maybe the inclusion of someone like Kerridge to cover their midfield depth, I'd like the same team that played on the weekend, both position and personnel.

Pies bat deep in the midfield....dont think we have the players to tag all their better players and will need to back some of our blokes in to match them...
Pendlebury was allowed to run free last season and destroyed us, cant let him play on Cripps and hope for the best like last time, he is just too dangerous, agree on Sidebottom but I'd be tagging Treloar also....
All their taggers work both ways...Greenwood, Adams and Crisp so Gibbs, Murphy  will have to be mindful.....Adams had 27 possies playing on Selwood thats way too many for my liking and he uses the ball well.

I'd play Williamson on Wells who never picks his man up....

Being the Filth, Thomas will come in.
And being a big game BB will want to blood another junior. McKay?

Being the Filth, Thomas will come in.
And being a big game BB will want to blood another junior. McKay?

Cannot see McKay coming in unless Casboult doesn't come up.

I wouldn't play Casboult, Kreuzer and McKay, they would just get in each others way and I can't see Casboult or Kreuzer getting dropped this week.

The good thing about SoJ, and what we will miss, is that he makes space and knows where and when to lead. Jaksch or Jones could be in for a run, Jaksch did OK down back and might cut it as a sub for Weitering, but the Pies are not blessed with talls so the mix we go for will be interesting.

The filth obviously get Reid back.

Don't be surprised if we see ACoS get a forward run, his size and pace could be damaging off a flank against the filth! ;)

Pies bat deep in the midfield....dont think we have the players to tag all their better players and will need to back some of our blokes in to match them...
Pendlebury was allowed to run free last season and destroyed us, cant let him play on Cripps and hope for the best like last time, he is just too dangerous, agree on Sidebottom but I'd be tagging Treloar also....
All their taggers work both ways...Greenwood, Adams and Crisp so Gibbs, Murphy  will have to be mindful.....Adams had 27 possies playing on Selwood thats way too many for my liking and he uses the ball well.

I'd play Williamson on Wells who never picks his man up....

I reckon that Greenwood will be all over Cripps. He might require a bit of unsociability?

3rd game in 12 days for the Pies, we should go in with every chance to win this.

we should bring in more runners like cunninghham or blokhorest or armfield,we need to stop there run from our fwd line .

I reckon that Greenwood will be all over Cripps. He might require a bit of unsociability?

Cripps is rarely tagged for 2 reasons.

One is very hard to tag a contested beast as they work inside and tagging doesn't have much of an effect except they lose a player around the contest if they do it.

And two is Cripps main negative is as we all know his lack of pace away from the contest so most mids know he will get them inside but they try and hurt us the other way.

Tagging means they lose in both of those situations hence why they wont do it with him IMO.

Murphy on the other hand can be tagged and I think Greenwood will go to him IMO.

They will also pay respect to Doc and Simmo as these ones set up as much of our forward moves as our true mids.

Curnow needs to go to Pendlebury as I reckon Treloar will burn him for pace.



   

Hard to see anyone being dropped but Silvagni and Fisher might both miss.
Jones could replace Silvagni, he's strong and in good form so he deserves a shot.
Thomas was BOG in the magoos so he's the logical replacement for Fisher who I really rate,  Boekhorst is another option.as well as Kerridge, his disposal is questionable to say the least but his body strength might come in handy against Collingwood.
Shame to see that Dylan Buckley isn't putting his hand up for a game, he was in Docherty's draft so he's had plenty of time, this year will make or break him you'd think.
I'm expecting a close game.

Hard to see anyone being dropped but Silvagni and Fisher might both miss.
Jones could replace Silvagni, he's strong and in good form so he deserves a shot.
Thomas was BOG in the magoos so he's the logical replacement for Fisher who I really rate,  Boekhorst is another option.as well as Kerridge, his disposal is questionable to say the least but his body strength might come in handy against Collingwood.
Shame to see that Dylan Buckley isn't putting his hand up for a game, he was in Docherty's draft so he's had plenty of time, this year will make or break him you'd think.
I'm expecting a close game.

I think Weitering has a very slim chance of getting up. He was downstairs for a considerable period of time and that in itself is a tell about how sore he is likely to be. Even if he does play he may well be well off his best.

Cripps is rarely tagged for 2 reasons.

One is very hard to tag a contested beast as they work inside and tagging doesn't have much of an effect except they lose a player around the contest if they do it.

And two is Cripps main negative is as we all know his lack of pace away from the contest so most mids know he will get them inside but they try and hurt us the other way.

Tagging means they lose in both of those situations hence why they wont do it with him IMO.

Murphy on the other hand can be tagged and I think Greenwood will go to him IMO.

They will also pay respect to Doc and Simmo as these ones set up as much of our forward moves as our true mids.

Curnow needs to go to Pendlebury as I reckon Treloar will burn him for pace.



  

Interesting post Shawny. I'll be very interested to see how it pans out.

I think Weitering has a very slim chance of getting up. He was downstairs for a considerable period of time and that in itself is a tell about how sore he is likely to be. Even if he does play he may well be well off his best.

The guy is a freak, gets hurt every week but gets up for the following week every time. That "old head" of his will always strive to get up and play.

On the radio they were saying that he's very much into 'natural healing' methods (no anti inflamms etc etc) which might have him behind the eight ball on some occasions re recovery.

Or it might be carp!!

I think Weitering has a very slim chance of getting up. He was downstairs for a considerable period of time and that in itself is a tell about how sore he is likely to be. Even if he does play he may well be well off his best.

I expect Weitering to play and to be a handful for Collingwood.
We might be one tall too many in our back half but Bolton seems to prefer players with some size.

Hard to see anyone being dropped but Silvagni and Fisher might both miss.
Jones could replace Silvagni, he's strong and in good form so he deserves a shot.
Thomas was BOG in the magoos so he's the logical replacement for Fisher who I really rate,  Boekhorst is another option.as well as Kerridge, his disposal is questionable to say the least but his body strength might come in handy against Collingwood.
Shame to see that Dylan Buckley isn't putting his hand up for a game, he was in Docherty's draft so he's had plenty of time, this year will make or break him you'd think.
I'm expecting a close game.

Like your observations. Probably will only be 2 forced changes with SOJ and ZF missing through injury. I like your idea of Jones replacing SOJ, he's quick and is now really working hard. This would give Rottingwood some huge headaches, how to cover Meat/Kreuz, Weits, C Curnow and Jones up forward and when Crippa rests up forward there's another 195cm headache. Matty Wright is a ripper as our small forward at present and I'm sure SPS would like to hit the scoreboard some more, along with a few of our mids

Not so keen on Daisy replacing ZF. ZF is quick and gets to contests/makes contests. Think I'd rather see Pickett return or even Boekhorst or Cuningham... the quickness will be important against Rottingwood and Daisy aint as quick as he used to be.

time to give Cuningham another sniff of the big time.....

I can't see Pickett getting a game, he was dropped and didn't show much in a big win for our VFL team.
I thought he was a bit stiff to get dropped actually, he looks to have some flair and he seemed close to a good match.
If we're picking the side on form it should be Thomas but he might be on the way out.

time to give Cuningham another sniff of the big time.....

I thought Cunningham was OK at the weekend, probably deserves a run ahead of the other young ones. Certainly should get back in ahead of Pickett or  Polson.

Cripps is rarely tagged for 2 reasons.

One is very hard to tag a contested beast as they work inside and tagging doesn't have much of an effect except they lose a player around the contest if they do it.

And two is Cripps main negative is as we all know his lack of pace away from the contest so most mids know he will get them inside but they try and hurt us the other way.

Tagging means they lose in both of those situations hence why they wont do it with him IMO.

Murphy on the other hand can be tagged and I think Greenwood will go to him IMO.

They will also pay respect to Doc and Simmo as these ones set up as much of our forward moves as our true mids.

Curnow needs to go to Pendlebury as I reckon Treloar will burn him for pace.  

I have Adams on Murphy....more of a size matchup, Greenwood on Gibbs(seen these two box on before) and I reckon Crisp may get Cripps at the stoppage and try and let Pendlebury sag off for the cheap outlet.....
Docherty may get a negative player on him too....think he is the leading kickwinner in the comp, dont see Buckley missing that stat....
Curnow on Pendlebury sounds ok but then you have Sidebottom...dont think we have the numbers to tag them all, our blokes need to be the aggressors, win the midfield and let them worry about the tagging.
Kruezer vs Grundy will be a good battle.....

A couple of mentions for Boekhorst being an option if Fisher doesn't come up. Was at the Northern Blues game on Sun and he looked really spent every time he came off. I was standing right behind the interchange bench and it was interesting to see the rotations. Boekhorst even vomited once if I'm not mistaken. Hard to say if he was running that hard or he was struggling in other ways. Suspect he was being GPS tracked so I'm sure the coaching staff would know the story but by far he looked the worst of all the players as they rotated.

A couple of mentions for Boekhorst being an option if Fisher doesn't come up. Was at the Northern Blues game on Sun and he looked really spent every time he came off. I was standing right behind the interchange bench and it was interesting to see the rotations. Boekhorst even vomited once if I'm not mistaken. Hard to say if he was running that hard or he was struggling in other ways. Suspect he was being GPS tracked so I'm sure the coaching staff would know the story but by far he looked the worst of all the players as they rotated.

Rather Thomas than Boekhorst....Pies have a strong midfield group and we cant afford passengers, Boekhorst is too much of a risk vs
quality opposition IMO...saying that maybe vs Daniel Wells who is a similar outside type he may be of value with his pace but if he is as fit as you say he is and finding the running tough I wouldnt contemplate that matchup.

Rather Thomas than Boekhorst....Pies have a strong midfield group and we cant afford passengers, Boekhorst is too much of a risk vs
quality opposition IMO...saying that maybe vs Daniel Wells who is a similar outside type he may be of value with his pace but if he is as fit as you say he is and finding the running tough I wouldnt contemplate that matchup.

Agree....although i'm not sure i'd class Collingwood as quality opposition.

I think Daisy can lift another gear, especially against the pies. Defensively he offers more than Boeky.

But if Boeky can perform in the 2's at the same level, i'd bring him in the following week.

My changes...
Out SOS (inj) Fisher (inj) Weitering (inj)
In Kerr, Daisy, Jones

Wells would take Boekhorst to the cleaners EB, he's several classes above him even at this late stage and quicker to boot.
No mentions of Smedts, didn't have much of an impact against Sydney and could be another change.

Agree....although i'm not sure i'd class Collingwood as quality opposition.

I think Daisy can lift another gear, especially against the pies. Defensively he offers more than Boeky.

But if Boeky can perform in the 2's at the same level, i'd bring him in the following week.

My changes...
Out SOS (inj) Fisher (inj) Weitering (inj)
In Kerr, Daisy, Jones

Their mids are the quality bit..... and only their mids as they showed vs Geelong, not many teams get the better of Selwood and Danger on the same day.
I too am hoping the Collingwood game brings the best out of Daisy if he plays...

Boekhorst vs the Saints who have some nimble but more lightweight players might be his go......

Really like Kerr but reckon he needs more time in the twos......Kerridge or Palmer may be handy vs the Pies who bat so deep with mids...reckon Weitering might play...

Wells would take Boekhorst to the cleaners EB, he's several classes above him even at this late stage and quicker to boot.
No mentions of Smedts, didn't have much of an impact against Sydney and could be another change.

Smedts was handy in that Smedts type of way...nothing too outlandish about the way he plays and is very safe with his ball use usually but every game gets caught at least once trying to sell candy to get round players and needs to correct that fault as he doesnt have the pace or guile, reckon he will hold his spot...
Take your point about Wells being classier, I was only trying to find a suitable matchup for BB in terms of outside style......

My changes...
Out SOS (inj) Fisher (inj) Weitering (inj)
In Kerr, Daisy, Jones

If Kerr gets a game it's all over for Jaksch.

If Kerr gets a game it's all over for Jaksch.

The above...

Smedts was handy in that Smedts type of way...nothing too outlandish about the way he plays and is very safe with his ball use usually but every game gets caught at least once trying to sell candy to get round players and needs to correct that fault as he doesnt have the pace or guile, reckon he will hold his spot...
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I like Smedts as a player, but he was a little subdued in this game, and I think in general terms he's trying to get match fitness and trying to grok with a new club.

His disposal is usually pretty good, and he makes good decisions. But he needs to bulk up.

I like Smedts as a player, but he was a little subdued in this game, and I think in general terms he's trying to get match fitness and trying to grok with a new club.

His disposal is usually pretty good, and he makes good decisions. But he needs to bulk up.
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Agree. He does have genuine skill but is still a little rusty. He looks as if he's one of those body types that just doesn't bulk up (eg Simmo).

Agree. He does have genuine skill but is still a little rusty. He looks as if he's one of those body types that just doesn't bulk up (eg Simmo).

Yes, could well be one of those Simmo / skinny Lappin types. As I'm sure you'd agree, the rustiness is understandable, given he's played 14 games in total for seasons 14,15,16,17.

I like Smedts as a player, but he was a little subdued in this game, and I think in general terms he's trying to get match fitness and trying to grok with a new club.

His disposal is usually pretty good, and he makes good decisions. But he needs to bulk up.

Grok!  You been reading  antique sci fi ?

I like Smedts as a player, but he was a little subdued in this game, and I think in general terms he's trying to get match fitness and trying to grok with a new club.

His disposal is usually pretty good, and he makes good decisions. But he needs to bulk up.

Agree on the bulking up, has thinnish arms...something about Smedts style that I like too, very uncomplicated player....wasnt a fan of recruiting him but have warmed to him
as a footballer and reckon he was unlucky to be dropped initially..

Agree on the bulking up, has thinnish arms...something about Smedts style that I like too, very uncomplicated player....wasnt a fan of recruiting him but have warmed to him
as a footballer and reckon he was unlucky to be dropped initially..

As long as he can stay on the park, I think that Smedts will be useful player.  Given how many games he's missed in the three years or so that he's been on a list, I expect that it may take him a while to really hit his straps - not that he isn't deserving of a spot in the 22 now.

Another factor is that we need players of that age to address our list's skewed demographics from years of poor draft results.

After 15 kicks, 11 marks and 3 goals in the VFL Saturday Kerr is the man I'd put in if SOJ is out.

Grok!  You been reading  antique sci fi ?

No, I'm not a sci-fi buff, but I am antique.

After 15 kicks, 11 marks and 3 goals in the VFL Saturday Kerr is the man I'd put in if SOJ is out.

He looked worth a go to me too Jim. Was very composed IMO. That would be interesting if he leap frogs  both Jaksch and Jones into the seniors.

Agree on the bulking up, has thinnish arms...something about Smedts style that I like too, very uncomplicated player....wasnt a fan of recruiting him but have warmed to him
as a footballer and reckon he was unlucky to be dropped initially..

Yes, I like that word "uncomplicated" - good word for him IMO.

When you get taken at pick 15 by Stephen Wells from Geelong, plus factoring what I've seen with my own eyes, I'd say he's well worth persevering with. Just stay on the park, please.

After 15 kicks, 11 marks and 3 goals in the VFL Saturday Kerr is the man I'd put in if SOJ is out.

Hard to argue with those stats and like I have said reckon the lad will be a very good player and if he plays it would be great
but I'd just like to keep him on ice for a few more games in the NB's , same with Harry Mac...

Yes, I like that word "uncomplicated" - good word for him IMO.

When you get taken at pick 15 by Stephen Wells from Geelong, plus factoring what I've seen with my own eyes, I'd say he's well worth persevering with. Just stay on the park, please.

Good point Paul about Pick 15, thats early and Wells knows his onions when it comes to recruiting...

Agree on the bulking up, has thinnish arms...something about Smedts style that I like too, very uncomplicated player....wasnt a fan of recruiting him but have warmed to him
as a footballer and reckon he was unlucky to be dropped initially..

Smedts is decent.

Will add some depth.

Tuohy left as an established 27 year old + 2nd round pick
Smedts came as a rusty 24 year old. + 1st round pick

Will get better as he remains injury free he has natural talent.

He looked worth a go to me too Jim. Was very composed IMO. That would be interesting if he leap frogs  both Jaksch and Jones into the seniors.

Not sure it so much about leapfrogging, it's who he might replace, SOJ, if he is indeed out. Think he replaces him perfectly as he can be a 2nd or 3rd tall. If, say, Casboult was out the first player you'd play in his role is Jones given the like for like. SOJ's scans came up clear so he is still some chance to come up on the weekend although you'd think he'd be a week out at least.

Not sure it so much about leapfrogging, it's who he might replace, SOJ, if he is indeed out. Think he replaces him perfectly as he can be a 2nd or 3rd tall. If, say, Casboult was out the first player you'd play in his role is Jones given the like for like. SOJ's scans came up clear so he is still some chance to come up on the weekend although you'd think he'd be a week out at least.

I don't think that Kerr is a like for like replacement for SOJ.  Kerr is a genuine key forward with marking strength his main attribute.  SOJ is a more versatile player who can take a mark, play as a crumbing forward or have a run in the midfield or defence.  Daisy is probably a better like for like replacement for SOJ.

Yes, I like that word "uncomplicated" - good word for him IMO.

When you get taken at pick 15 by Stephen Wells from Geelong, plus factoring what I've seen with my own eyes, I'd say he's well worth persevering with. Just stay on the park, please.

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I don't think that Kerr is a like for like replacement for SOJ.  Kerr is a genuine key forward with marking strength his main attribute.  SOJ is a more versatile player who can take a mark, play as a crumbing forward or have a run in the midfield or defence.  Daisy is probably a better like for like replacement for SOJ.

Kerr. from what i've seen could play the 2nd or 3rd tall role. Ability to read the play and lead up, as well as take a strong mark, make him a good replacement. uses it well and his vision is outstanding. Like him in as our 3rd tall next week if SOJ is out. I see SOJ generally as our 3rd tall forward. like many of those types in the current era he has the ability to tun through the midfield.

Personally I would prefer to see Kerr in to replace SOJ, rather than Jones/Jaksch. It would be a great opportunity to give him a run in the seniors and see how he goes in the lead-up fwd role - he looks like a very handy kick for goal. Agree that Jones/Jaksch would be more likely to replace Casboult if needed. Anyway, SOS may yet play.

Im not sure that Alex Silvagni will play this week either.

Last week, he was given a specific role to play on a dangerous swans forward.

The Pies don't really have that sort of player in their forward line, and our starting back 6 all season has the right sorts of numbers in it, to match up with Collingwoods regular forwardline.

It will be interesting.

Ben Reid will come back in this week to help out their talls.

We will see.

Im not sure that Alex Silvagni will play this week either.

Last week, he was given a specific role to play on a dangerous swans forward.

The Pies don't really have that sort of player in their forward line, and our starting back 6 all season has the right sorts of numbers in it, to match up with Collingwoods regular forwardline.

It will be interesting.

Ben Reid will come back in this week to help out their talls.

We will see.

After a performance like Saturday's, you cannot help but play him.

Im not sure that Alex Silvagni will play this week either.

Last week, he was given a specific role to play on a dangerous swans forward.

The Pies don't really have that sort of player in their forward line, and our starting back 6 all season has the right sorts of numbers in it, to match up with Collingwoods regular forwardline.

It will be interesting.

Ben Reid will come back in this week to help out their talls.

We will see.

While I agree we should have a horses for courses policy.

How would dropping ACoS fit with BBs "Players are picked on form!" declaration?

The media would have a field day, the playing group and their managers would lose trust in the coach. It would be the like the bad old MM days, when he publicly claimed he defends the players before roasting them in the media!

After a performance like Saturday's, you cannot help but play him.

Agree - no way he'll be left out.

Im not sure that Alex Silvagni will play this week either.

Last week, he was given a specific role to play on a dangerous swans forward.

The Pies don't really have that sort of player in their forward line, and our starting back 6 all season has the right sorts of numbers in it, to match up with Collingwoods regular forwardline.

It will be interesting.

Ben Reid will come back in this week to help out their talls.

We will see.

Would be good to play on Moore.
Silvagni will keep up with him, and apply plenty of pressure.

Would be good to play on Moore.
Silvagni will keep up with him, and apply plenty of pressure.

Reid will be back as well, another good match up for ACoS.

Agree - no way he'll be left out.

As I said earlier, the post match interview he did with Debolfo suggests he is confident of playing this week. I'd be shocked if he was omitted, rested. left out, managed or whatever the fark else they call it these days.

Reid will be back as well, another good match up for ACoS.

Reid will play at CHB....played well last time we met and took too many uncontested marks...

If young Jack SOS is out, I'd trump for Liam Jones. He is in some sort of red hot form. His marking and physicality has gone through the roof. get him in when in such good form. This would be his best chance to have a decent AFL game IMO. At 198cm or so, he is incredibly quick, agile and versatile, so I think even though he's a big unit, it's not like we'd be bringing in a lumbering type.

Think the headache for the Pies of Casboult, Weitering, Charlie Curnow and Jones up forward would be welcome. Jones can have a run onball/ruck or back if need be also.

As I said earlier, the post match interview he did with Debolfo suggests he is confident of playing this week. I'd be shocked if he was omitted, rested. left out, managed or whatever the fark else they call it these days.

Would be farcical if Alex was dropped.

Agreed that Jones has earnt a call up to the 1s. Appears his versatility can only help his cause....

Reid will play at CHB....played well last time we met and took too many uncontested marks...

I mentioned Reid because Bucks mentioned on radio last week, when being grilled about players being "managed", that Reid would also be looked at for a swingman type role. Apparently he has played forward before a did OK?  ???

That was before last weekend victory though so plans change. ;D

Looks like Varcoe out for the Pies.

I'm more concerned about their small forwards in this one. We don't have natural matchups down back for them. We have Doc and Simmo but both are too valuable to be shut down close checking a dangerous forward.

Fasolo, Elliott and Sidebottom when he rests forward are my worry. Rowe/ACOS will be able to handle Moore and Cox IMO and Marchbank is there if Reid (think he will play back)/White return. Apart from GC game no other big forwards got us this year and after what we did to Reid and Buddy last week im confident in this area. 

That means their only way to kick a winning score is through their smaller forwards and mid's hitting the scoreboard.

Need a massive defensive midfield effort this week. A winnable game if we can do it. 

     

I'm more concerned about their small forwards in this one. We don't have natural matchups down back for them. We have Doc and Simmo but both are too valuable to be shut down close checking a dangerous forward.

Fasolo, Elliott and Sidebottom when he rests forward are my worry. Rowe/ACOS will be able to handle Moore and Cox IMO and Marchbank is there if Reid (think he will play back)/White return. Apart from GC game no other big forwards got us this year and after what we did to Reid and Buddy last week im confident in this area. 

That means their only way to kick a winning score is through their smaller forwards and mid's hitting the scoreboard.

Need a massive defensive midfield effort this week. A winnable game if we can do it. 

    

I'm concerned about their mids resting forward as well, but not their small forwards. Fasolo is kicking terribly at the moment, Elliott isn't close to his pre injury form, and looks rusty as. Is Blair injured ?

Whilst not natural match ups as such, I reckon Marchbank and Plowman can cover Fas and Elliott easily.

I'm moore worried about More ;-)

I'm more concerned about their small forwards in this one. We don't have natural matchups down back for them. We have Doc and Simmo but both are too valuable to be shut down close checking a dangerous forward.

Fasolo, Elliott and Sidebottom when he rests forward are my worry. Rowe/ACOS will be able to handle Moore and Cox IMO and Marchbank is there if Reid (think he will play back)/White return. Apart from GC game no other big forwards got us this year and after what we did to Reid and Buddy last week im confident in this area. 

That means their only way to kick a winning score is through their smaller forwards and mid's hitting the scoreboard.

Need a massive defensive midfield effort this week. A winnable game if we can do it. 

    

Yep. Elliot must be due for a breakout and Fasolo and Sidebottom can be dangerous at anytime.

And Varcoe is a big out for mine. He's one of their few players with real spark and zip, and runs hard both ways. Has to be a big plus for us.

Not sure about Blair, whether he's injured or not. Always seems to do well against us though.

I'm concerned about their mids resting forward as well, but not their small forwards. Fasolo is kicking terribly at the moment, Elliott isn't close to his pre injury form, and looks rusty as. Is Blair injured ?

Whilst not natural match ups as such, I reckon Marchbank and Plowman can cover Fas and Elliott easily.

I'm moore worried about More ;-)

I'm keen on slightly bigger players vs Elliott and Fasalo, while the latter isnt kicking great he is a good contested mark for his inches and both Collingwood players would outmark Simpson..
 and Docherty too easily IMO....

I would do something like the following:

Willo to Sidebottom
Plow to Fasolo
AcOS to Moore
Rowe to Cox
Marchy to WHE
Doc to Elliott (run off him and expose the lack of fitness)

The rest a midfield rotations, then they have to find match ups for our fwds.

I'm keen on slightly bigger players vs Elliott and Fasalo, while the latter isnt kicking great he is a good contested mark for his inches and both Collingwood players would outmark Simpson..
 and Docherty too easily IMO....

EB. I'd like to see Doc and Simmo playing where they did against the Swans. I know the Pies are a different team, but we need players who can create around the ball. I'm backing in Plow and Marchy to do the business on Fas and Elliott.

Hoskin Elliott, whilst ostensibly a forward, plays around the ground a fair bit. I'm not sure who goes to him. I really rate him based on what I've seen this year.

Hoskin Elliott, whilst ostensibly a forward, plays around the ground a fair bit. I'm not sure who goes to him. I really rate him based on what I've seen this year.

See my suggestion above. Marchy has a big tank so I would use him on WHE. Either him or Willo (who I had pencilled in for Sidey).

Jones likely for selection this week. Was featured on a CFC video re his performance with the NBs last week.

Jones likely for selection this week. Was featured on a CFC video re his performance with the NBs last week.

Interesting. Wonder who he will replace as none of our guys deserve to be dropped but maybe SOJ won't pull up? This has been discussed already and it's definitely not like for like but maybe we'll still go that way?

Interesting. Wonder who he will replace as none of our guys deserve to be dropped but maybe SOJ won't pull up? This has been discussed already and it's definitely not like for like but maybe we'll still go that way?

they should rest the kid no question.

they should rest the kid no question.

Agree. If he plays he will be targeted/tested and if he's not 100% it's not worth the risk.

Ramp up the pressure early and watch their skills go to crap .

Hope it's not wet.

There's no real reason we can't win this but I just think the Pies will be a bit too big , fit and experienced for us .

That Geelong win will give them terrific confidence but not too much that they take the game easy.

Handy that we played probably the harder game last week and that it was on the MCG, but not enough for us to win.

Looks like Varcoe out for the Pies.

The Pies ???????

I take it you mean the Filth !!  ;)

Looks like Fisher and sos will miss 1 week.

Hopefully we find someone quick to replace Fisher.

Jones likely for selection this week. Was featured on a CFC video re his performance with the NBs last week.

So was Patty Kerr  :)

The Pies ???????

I take it you mean the Filth !!  ;)

Perhaps Cookie is like me and can't remember who is the Filth and who is the Scum  :-[

I heard Joffa refer to us as the Filth during a radio interview so I could use that to jog my memory  ;)

So was Patty Kerr  :)

I thought Kerr looked good, but I am not sure he'll be left unattended at AFL level like he was against Coburg. At one stage Daisy spotted him up inside F50 and there wasn't a Coburg players within 15m on a stopped play! :o

The Pies ???????

I take it you mean the Filth !!  ;)

Yes mate. I do love feasting on a Pie though.  :)

How amazing is to be coming off a win, with a couple of minor injuries [Fisher & SOJ] and having some players in the NB's who are in good and winning form!! I can't remember the last time that happened, and it's a very good sign.

It will be interesting to see which way they go this week with selection with the expected 2 outs. Does McReadie go straight back in?? Jones looks to be in great form, jumping strongly and holding his marks. Kerridge is getting plenty of it and will help with midfield depth against a strong Pies midfield - might be a good 'horses for courses' selection. Kerr or McKay would both stretch the Pies defence and surely either or both of these can't be too far away from getting a call up. Polson did nothing wrong in his game and would be a closer swap for Fisher.

I would definitely keep Alex in the team as the defensive set up last week looked excellent - I don't think it was an accident that Doc and Simmo were able to player further up the ground [which was huge for us] with another experienced player down there. I like McCreadie, but I would keep the structure the same this week as it's going to be a big worry for the Pies.

Ed has to shut down Pendles - he is their gun and if you let him dominate we will struggle. I am hopeful they may have a let down this week after a big win and 2 short turnarounds. Our strong finish that we have showed in the 2 wins is what we are going to need to replicate this week.

As with almost every win we have Kruz is the key - he is our talisman - if he plays well and starts taking marks up forward we are a big chance.

Jones and Cuningham would be my replacements for SOJ and Fisher.

no other changes!

Jones and Cuningham would be my replacements for SOJ and Fisher.

no other changes!

Cuningham will have to maintain a higher work rate throughout games before he is considered.

60. David Cuningham
Stats: 14 disposals, 4 tackles, 3 inside 50s, 1 goal
From the coach: His impact was down this week as we’ve been used to. He used his legs around stoppages but wasn’t as consistent over four quarters. Pleasingly, he finished in front of goal and looks to keep building both as a midfielder and forward.

His best is very good but he goes missing too often at the moment.

Kerr is one of my key players for the future but you cant help but admire Liam Jones persistence, seems to have taken the criticism on the chin and really put the work in to improve himself...Leigh Brown was one of the biggest spuds you could find at the Arden st veggie garden but when he got to Collingwood the penny dropped and he became a valuable player being able to play various roles and being that big body slamming into packs, part time ruck and kicking a few goals as well and of course cleaning up a few opponents who stepped out of line. I reckon thats the role Liam Jones has to play if he wants to continue his career at senior level, there is an opening for him and I hope he gets a go this week and does well. Could well be cult hero material if he can make it...

Kerr is one of my key players for the future but you cant help but admire Liam Jones persistence, seems to have taken the criticism on the chin and really put the work in to improve himself...Leigh Brown was one of the biggest spuds you could find at the Arden st veggie garden but when he got to Collingwood the penny dropped and he became a valuable player being able to play various roles and being that big body slamming into packs, part time ruck and kicking a few goals as well and of course cleaning up a few opponents who stepped out of line. I reckon thats the role Liam Jones has to play if he wants to continue his career at senior level, there is an opening for him and I hope he gets a go this week and does well. Could well be cult hero material if he can make it...

Only issue Jones has is he is behind Levi in that role. If Levi continues his fine season he might get a nice offer as a free agent somewhere and go. If Jones keeps his form you'd keep him at the end of the year for that role if all that comes to pass.

Phillips may well have gone down the pecking order.

Cuningham will have to maintain a higher work rate throughout games before he is considered.

His best is very good but he goes missing too often at the moment.

Absolutely. Cuningham is the ultimate tease. His inconsistency is becoming a major flaw in his game. But his best is seriously good.

Boekhorst has past Cuningham and a more likely replacement for ZF.

Absolutely. Cuningham is the ultimate tease. His inconsistency is becoming a major flaw in his game. But his best is seriously good.

Boekhorst has past Cuningham and a more likely replacement for ZF.

Hopefully it's because he's still 19 and that improves as he develops.

Hopefully it's because he's still 19 and that improves as he develops.

The upside is that our development environment now looks to be much improved so I'm optimistic for him if he has the inbuilt talent.

Love him or hate him Jones has earned another shot at it, picking Kerr ahead of him would be crazy.
Thomas, Kerridge or Boekhorst for Fisher I guess, probably Thomas.

The upside is that our development environment now looks to be much improved so I'm optimistic for him if he has the inbuilt talent.

The other side of the coin is that we're putting a lot more work into players before they're drafted.  Several times in last year's and this year's "The Journey" you'll hear Bolton and/or SOS talking about good character.  I remember SOS saying that Charlie Curnow was from a 'good family' after the drink driving incident.

Draft the right players and the development side isn't that difficult.

Of course, we have ramped up our development staff, but we are giving them better youngsters to work with.

The other side of the coin is that we're putting a lot more work into players before they're drafted.  Several times in last year's and this year's "The Journey" you'll hear Bolton and/or SOS talking about good character.  I remember SOS saying that Charlie Curnow was from a 'good family' after the drink driving incident.

Draft the right players and the development side isn't that difficult.

Of course, we have ramped up our development staff, but we are giving them better youngsters to work with.

Agree - selecting the right material is crucial.

It's interesting to compare the effect of ASOS and Daisy in the backline. Both are mature players, whose leadership and roles as 'generals' down there are (reasonably) commonly acknowledged or, in ASOS's case, anticipated. Talk is that Alex was brought in last week, specifically to do the job on Franklin and I've seen comments suggesting he won't retain his spot in the absence of such a role. Yet, to hear Marchy raving about how much he loved playing with him, in his RS nomination week, can't be ignored. I'm no Daisy-hater and in fact I'm one who does appreciate his influence, but I just can't see how (a) we'd ever want to play them both in the same side or (b) why you'd take Daisy over Alex at this stage.

It's an interesting one, because they are obviously very different players, but I think their real value is the same - leadership/guidance to a young defensive group as they develop. I think we've got to keep Alex, just because of that relentless, beast-like example he provides, over Daisy's (no doubt helpful) pointing and direction-giving.

And, for the Filth, he has that frightening closing speed that'll make even their smaller forwards a little tetchy.

And he tackles uber hard, with a crunch.

It's interesting to compare the effect of ASOS and Daisy in the backline. Both are mature players, whose leadership and roles as 'generals' down there are (reasonably) commonly acknowledged or, in ASOS's case, anticipated. Talk is that Alex was brought in last week, specifically to do the job on Franklin and I've seen comments suggesting he won't retain his spot in the absence of such a role. Yet, to hear Marchy raving about how much he loved playing with him, in his RS nomination week, can't be ignored. I'm no Daisy-hater and in fact I'm one who does appreciate his influence, but I just can't see how (a) we'd ever want to play them both in the same side or (b) why you'd take Daisy over Alex at this stage.

It's an interesting one, because they are obviously very different players, but I think their real value is the same - leadership/guidance to a young defensive group as they develop. I think we've got to keep Alex, just because of that relentless, beast-like example he provides, over Daisy's (no doubt helpful) pointing and direction-giving.

And, for the Filth, he has that frightening closing speed that'll make even their smaller forwards a little tetchy.

+1. Great post.

It's interesting to compare the effect of ASOS and Daisy in the backline. Both are mature players, whose leadership and roles as 'generals' down there are (reasonably) commonly acknowledged or, in ASOS's case, anticipated. Talk is that Alex was brought in last week, specifically to do the job on Franklin and I've seen comments suggesting he won't retain his spot in the absence of such a role. Yet, to hear Marchy raving about how much he loved playing with him, in his RS nomination week, can't be ignored. I'm no Daisy-hater and in fact I'm one who does appreciate his influence, but I just can't see how (a) we'd ever want to play them both in the same side or (b) why you'd take Daisy over Alex at this stage.

It's an interesting one, because they are obviously very different players, but I think their real value is the same - leadership/guidance to a young defensive group as they develop. I think we've got to keep Alex, just because of that relentless, beast-like example he provides, over Daisy's (no doubt helpful) pointing and direction-giving.

And, for the Filth, he has that frightening closing speed that'll make even their smaller forwards a little tetchy.

I don't agree with the idea that he is a Buddy specialist and therefore should not get another gig until a similar player is named for the oppo. If he can go a good job on the most athletic and most damaging forward in the comp, why can't he do an even better job on lesser forwards ? Are any of his attributes ill suited to such a task ? Don't tell me, it's depriving the kiddies of games.

And I'm not sure Daisy is exclusively a back line player - he tends to play where needed, doing as you say, a similar thing to Alex.

I think both can play in the same team no probs, but not in the same back line.

Just my devalued 2 bob's worth.

I think we are going a bit overboard on Alex Silvagni, 50 games in 7 years with Freo then delisted, and Franklin had 19 touches on the weekend after all.
If one of our key forwards had that much of the ball we'd have him pencilled in for a Brownlow.
Good luck to him and he seems like a solid citizen, but easy on the hype.

I think we are going a bit overboard on Alex Silvagni, 50 games in 7 years with Freo then delisted, and Franklin had 19 touches on the weekend after all.
If one of our key forwards had that much of the ball we'd have him pencilled in for a Brownlow.
Good luck to him and he seems like a solid citizen, but easy on the hype.

Form, not ancient history, will be your guiding light.

Zac Dawson - nothing more to say.

I think we are going a bit overboard on Alex Silvagni, 50 games in 7 years with Freo then delisted, and Franklin had 19 touches on the weekend after all.
If one of our key forwards had that much of the ball we'd have him pencilled in for a Brownlow.
Good luck to him and he seems like a solid citizen, but easy on the hype.

Franklin had little impact... thought it was a massive effort by Silvagni, who has barely played in the past 2 years.

Reckon Silvagni will play some games this year, wouldn't expect too much beyond that. Clearly a back up to Rowe.

We do not tend to change winning teams much, a trait I do not tend to agree with. I am a 'horses for courses' type. However, we rarely change winning combos but for injury.
We will HAVE to make 2 changes: Silvagni's shoulder will not be risked, while Fisher did a hamstring. I don't think he will be risked either.
Jones, Daisy, Kerridge and Cuningham all have put their hands up over the last fortnight, with Buckley not far behind them. The 'Ins' will probably come from that group, although you never can tell.
With Collingwood's team structure, we MAY decide that Alex Silvagni is one tall too many in defence. It might even be a smart move, as Collingwood's small forwards tend to do the bulk of their scoring. However, I don't see it happening.

At the moment we have Docherty and Simpson as small defenders. As they have been doing some moving into the midfield, having another quick defender for a small forward like Elliott or Fasolo might be useful. That puts Daisy at a disadvantage, as he tends to run off guys rather be a tight defender, just like Docherty and Simpson. Buckley could get a go. Or we could move Smedts down to defence, where he has done well in the VFL. He has the pace and that extra bit of height that helps in marking contests.

I know I ALWAYS double guess the match committee and I often think we have not selected guys for certain jobs. Fair enough. One of my functions as a supporter on a site like this. But our selectors tend to make changes only if a guy is seriously out of form for a number of weeks, when we lose badly or due to injury. None of these makes me certain Alex Silvagni will be dropped.

I think we are going a bit overboard on Alex Silvagni, 50 games in 7 years with Freo then delisted, and Franklin had 19 touches on the weekend after all.
If one of our key forwards had that much of the ball we'd have him pencilled in for a Brownlow.
Good luck to him and he seems like a solid citizen, but easy on the hype.

Buddy had 7 of those in the back half of the ground, and only 4 of them inside f50. On the premiere forward of the comp, who has a history of having a party against us, it was a massive win for him and the team that he needed to get up the ground so much to try and find the ball. He only had 11 kicks for the day.

I think the other thing is the structural impact that it had in allowing Simmo and Doc to get further up the ground and get more of the ball and create opportunities. Simmo had 8 score involvements, and Doc had 6, and both went at over 85% DE. Those are enormous numbers.

Maybe it was just coincidence, but bringing in more experience to the backline I reckon had a huge impact into how we were able to play and our transition out of defence was markedly better than it had been the week before. I think Smedts had a positive impact on this as well. He had to Goal assists and 7 score involvements as well.

We do not tend to change winning teams much, a trait I do not tend to agree with. I am a 'horses for courses' type. However, we rarely change winning combos but for injury.
We will HAVE to make 2 changes: Silvagni's shoulder will not be risked, while Fisher did a hamstring. I don't think he will be risked either.
Jones, Daisy, Kerridge and Cuningham all have put their hands up over the last fortnight, with Buckley not far behind them. The 'Ins' will probably come from that group, although you never can tell.
With Collingwood's team structure, we MAY decide that Alex Silvagni is one tall too many in defence. It might even be a smart move, as Collingwood's small forwards tend to do the bulk of their scoring. However, I don't see it happening.

At the moment we have Docherty and Simpson as small defenders. As they have been doing some moving into the midfield, having another quick defender for a small forward like Elliott or Fasolo might be useful. That puts Daisy at a disadvantage, as he tends to run off guys rather be a tight defender, just like Docherty and Simpson. Buckley could get a go. Or we could move Smedts down to defence, where he has done well in the VFL. He has the pace and that extra bit of height that helps in marking contests.

I know I ALWAYS double guess the match committee and I often think we have not selected guys for certain jobs. Fair enough. One of my functions as a supporter on a site like this. But our selectors tend to make changes only if a guy is seriously out of form for a number of weeks, when we lose badly or due to injury. None of these makes me certain Alex Silvagni will be dropped.

I agree with all that.

Macreadie may also come straight back in to play the small defender role this week and replace Fisher. He was 'managed' - not dropped - so it will be interesting to see which way they go with him.

I think Smedts needs a good run at it as he could be a good player for us. He has a more mature body and can run all day, and does look dangerous when he gets the ball forward of centre. He looks like a guy still trying to find his place and best spot in our setup. I would persist with him as a wing/hff for a few weeks and then assess where he is at.

I don't agree with the idea that he is a Buddy specialist and therefore should not get another gig until a similar player is named for the oppo. If he can go a good job on the most athletic and most damaging forward in the comp, why can't he do an even better job on lesser forwards ? Are any of his attributes ill suited to such a task ? Don't tell me, it's depriving the kiddies of games.

And I'm not sure Daisy is exclusively a back line player - he tends to play where needed, doing as you say, a similar thing to Alex.

I think both can play in the same team no probs, but not in the same back line.

Just my devalued 2 bob's worth.

Didn't mean I agreed with the sentiment that he is only a 'Buddy specialist' and I'm very much in two minds about the 'depriving the kids' concept, especially the impact he had last week. My point is more that, if we are to have a mature leader in the backline (and I acknowledge that Daisy can play elsewhere as, perhaps, can Alex), who should we prefer? I'm leaning towards Alex, because of his example of ruthlessness and the comments from Marchbank as to his value.

Didn't mean I agreed with the sentiment that he is only a 'Buddy specialist' and I'm very much in two minds about the 'depriving the kids' concept, especially the impact he had last week. My point is more that, if we are to have a mature leader in the backline (and I acknowledge that Daisy can play elsewhere as, perhaps, can Alex), who should we prefer? I'm leaning towards Alex, because of his example of ruthlessness and the comments from Marchbank as to his value.

BD, thanks for the clarification, but I got your position the first time round, which I did not express very well in my previous post. My bad.

If a choice must exist between the two, then you would have to say based on form and match day effectiveness, Alex would have to get the nod. So I definitely agree with you.

Whether he keeps getting games and keeps showing good form only time will tell. But if both these things happen then it's safe to say that we have both a very good player and a new cult hero on our hands. No bad thing in my book.

Didn't mean I agreed with the sentiment that he is only a 'Buddy specialist' and I'm very much in two minds about the 'depriving the kids' concept, especially the impact he had last week. My point is more that, if we are to have a mature leader in the backline (and I acknowledge that Daisy can play elsewhere as, perhaps, can Alex), who should we prefer? I'm leaning towards Alex, because of his example of ruthlessness and the comments from Marchbank as to his value.

I think we can play both if their form warrants it.
Youth policies are fine but we shouldn't be in a breakneck hurry, if any kid is good enough he'll force his way into the team.
It would be a miracle if all of the kids currently in and around our senior team made the grade, we need to realise that it's extremely unlikely to happen and accept that some will fall by the wayside.

I don't agree with the idea that he is a Buddy specialist and therefore should not get another gig until a similar player is named for the oppo. If he can go a good job on the most athletic and most damaging forward in the comp, why can't he do an even better job on lesser forwards ? Are any of his attributes ill suited to such a task ? Don't tell me, it's depriving the kiddies of games.

And I'm not sure Daisy is exclusively a back line player - he tends to play where needed, doing as you say, a similar thing to Alex.

I think both can play in the same team no probs, but not in the same back line.

Just my devalued 2 bob's worth.

I was the one suggested that Alex might get dropped not because of what he can do or cant do, but simply for team balance which is where the initial post came from.

I look at our defense, and although he performed really well, I thought he got a lot of help from our mids who slowed Sydney's forward thrusts, and our other defenders which gave him very little space to work with resulting in Buddy really going up the ground to get posessions.  Not to mention between Plowman, Marchbank (both can mind talls and smalls) Rowe, White (better on your medium, and talls) and Macreadie might come back as he looked sore, but not injured 2 weeks ago and Weitering who is potentially our best key defender (who is currently moonlighting as a forward IMHO) may see him surplus to requirements.

At the end of the day, its a great headache to have, and likewise, I dont think its highly likely he'll miss, but this is my thinking behind Alex missing if he does.

No one would blame the club if that occurred either.

I was the one suggested that Alex might get dropped not because of what he can do or cant do, but simply for team balance which is where the initial post came from.

I look at our defense, and although he performed really well, I thought he got a lot of help from our mids who slowed Sydney's forward thrusts, and our other defenders which gave him very little space to work with resulting in Buddy really going up the ground to get posessions.  Not to mention between Plowman, Marchbank (both can mind talls and smalls) Rowe, White (better on your medium, and talls) and Macreadie might come back as he looked sore, but not injured 2 weeks ago and Weitering who is potentially our best key defender (who is currently moonlighting as a forward IMHO) may see him surplus to requirements.

At the end of the day, its a great headache to have, and likewise, I dont think its highly likely he'll miss, but this is my thinking behind Alex missing if he does.

No one would blame the club if that occurred either.

I can't fault anything in that post thry. I understand that most weeks someone deserving has to miss, but I don't think it should be him.

I think we are going a bit overboard on Alex Silvagni, 50 games in 7 years with Freo then delisted, and Franklin had 19 touches on the weekend after all.
If one of our key forwards had that much of the ball we'd have him pencilled in for a Brownlow.
Good luck to him and he seems like a solid citizen, but easy on the hype.

I'm one who loved ASOSs game and really believe he blunted the influence of Buddy. However, we were helped by the fact that Buddy got most of his possessions well up the ground, which probably says a great deal about our whole team defense. Had Buddy got 19 possessions forward of centre he would have got a lot more than 1 goal. So, well done ASOS and well done team as a whole.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/collingwoods-jordan-de-goey-could-return-from-suspension-against-carlton-20170503-gvy89y.html

If this was any other game I'd give us a 40/60 shot based of current form of the two sides.

But this is their GF. Eddie will be putting the acid on every single person at the Holden Centre this week.

They won't dare not give 1oo%

I reckon it 20/80 their way .

Until they beat Geelong their form was very average, it's 50/50 in my book.

Until they beat Geelong their form was very average, it's 50/50 in my book.

And for some reason they often beat Geelong. 6 of the last 8 games the Pies have beaten them.

The Ox made an interesting point this arvo; throughout his career he generally lost games that were followed by a celebratory function.  Buckley may have his work cut out getting his players to focus on the game and not the birthday party.

The Ox reckons that we'll carve them up if they're not fully focused.

I reckon we're a good chance with or without the party.

The Ox made an interesting point this arvo; throughout his career he generally lost games that were followed by a celebratory function.  Buckley may have his work cut out getting his players to focus on the game and not the birthday party.

The Ox reckons that we'll carve them up if they're not fully focused.

I reckon we're a good chance with or without the party.

Make no mistake, the power brokers at our Club will be asking for some extra zing and effort from our players this week to ensure we rain on the Filths parade. One of the pleasing things about this new crop is that they don't seem to need much motivation.

We pumped them on their 100th anniversary, may as well ruin their 125th as well.

We pumped them on their 100th anniversary, may as well ruin their 125th as well.

aaaah tradition  ;)

Until they beat Geelong their form was very average, it's 50/50 in my book.

I can't say I've watched every game, but I paid enough attention to know that almost every match they have played this season was winnable for them with poor execution being the difference between winning and losing for them.

That doesn't mean we can't beat them, but I'm not sure they're as bad as people assume based solely on results.

They are doing much better than I expected them to, but thankfully haven't been winning much.

As its not a home game I'm going to buy tickets but would love to sit closer to our cheer squad.

Does anyone know which end our cheer squad will be at being an away game?

I can't say I've watched every game, but I paid enough attention to know that almost every match they have played this season was winnable for them with poor execution being the difference between winning and losing for them.

That doesn't mean we can't beat them, but I'm not sure they're as bad as people assume based solely on results.

They are doing much better than I expected them to, but thankfully haven't been winning much.

Pies, effort against Essendon, who we beat with some comfort in the end, was awful and they were just as poor against St.Kilda, with the Saints awful kicking kicking keeping them close. They just beat the Swans by a point, who we beat well last week. They beat Geelong but for some reason, while the Pies have been poor for a few years, they've managed to beat the Cats 6 of the last 8 games. Then again we had a comfortable win over Geelong last year too.

They've been no better than us this year.

David Rhys-Jones; what a legend!

“Eddie (McGuire) hates Carlton. He hates them with a passion and there would be nothing better than to see Eddie’s face look like he’s been sucking on a lemon at time-on in the last quarter,’’ he said.

“It would be a bit like that face he had when Juddy (Chris Judd) beat Swanny (Dane Swan) for the Brownlow that night (in 2011).

“We might parade our 16 cups and they can’t match that. Collingwood has always been the one to beat for me, you want to beat them no matter where you are on the ladder.”

David Rhys-Jones; what a legend!

Indeed, its what I suggested in my earlier post. If Kerr or H were to debut this week, the pre game jumper presentation will be very interesting.

Pies, effort against Essendon, who we beat with some comfort in the end, was awful and they were just as poor against St.Kilda, with the Saints awful kicking kicking keeping them close. They just beat the Swans by a point, who we beat well last week. They beat Geelong but for some reason, while the Pies have been poor for a few years, they've managed to beat the Cats 6 of the last 8 games. Then again we had a comfortable win over Geelong last year too.

They've been no better than us this year.

They have kicked more behinds than goals in every match they have played this year.

All it will take is a week where they actually take their opportunities properly, and they will look like a pretty good side and the opposition will be the ones ruing their missed opportunities instead.

Whilst I don't think that this is an indicator of anything that will happen this year, I look at it, and realise, that these guys have been competitive if not good during this season. 

12.14 vs Western Bulldogs 15.10
11.14 vs Richmond 14.15
11.14 vs Sydney 11.13
7.13 vs St. Kilda  9.15
11.16 vs Essendon 15.10
15.17 vs Geelong 11.12

Im under no illusions as to where we are at, but it looks as though the Pies have been traveling better than us in terms of hitting the scoreboard regularly.

Our record by contrast:

14.5 vs Richmond 20.12
9.10 vs Melbourne 13.8
7.15 vs Essendon 6.6
12.10 vs GC Suns 17.6
6.11 vs Port 20.17
15.7 vs Sydney 11.12

Purely as a numbers exercise, we are scoring at an average of 20.17 scoring shots per match.  The pies have been averaging 25.86 scoring shots per match.
We have been allowing scoring shots of 24.7 scoring shots to our opposition per match, whilst the Pies have been averaging 25 scoring shots against. 

This has no bearing on the rate in which either of us will hit the scoreboard nor does it take into account scoring efficiency or even junk time scoring where the opposition allows a bit more leeway for teams to hit the scoreboard because the game is done but it does tell a story that they have been traveling better than we have in terms of hitting the scoreboard, and they seem to have been just as frugal as we have in terms of conceding.

So they should, they are a much more mature outfit, and they have been more consistent than us.

At the end of the day, neither of us know what is happening, but I don't live in a fools paradise and know that this will be a tough but winnable match, vs an opponent that hasn't been that good, but has had no real bad games either.

... this will be a tough but winnable match, vs an opponent that hasn't been that good, but has had no real bad games either.

Agree, I see this as no different a task to our game vs Sydney. Sydney haven't been putrid, they are always a tough opponent. We however planned and executed well, we need to do the same this week.

Geelong's midfield gets exposed badly if either Selwood and/or Danger get shut down.

Greenwood wiped Selwood and even Danger was quite ineffectual.

After those 2, the Cats midfield is very ordinary.

We have much more depth and options in this regard.

I doubt they'll get 32 scoring shots against us.

Even the Cats' backline looked ordinary once the ball kept getting pumped in fast and furiously.

If we produce the same intensity as we did against Sydney we'll win comfortably noting their backline is a major weak point.

David Rhys-Jones; what a legend!

McGuire also hates the Swans and GWS, and on any given day probably every other AFL club.

I don't deny the doctrine of the arch nemesis (although I think its era has passed), I just  think it should be put on the back burner. This is "Old Carlton". From the supporters point of view, it's good for a bit of fun and pointless argy bargy, but that's pretty much it. If the players and club think that a gimmick like this will motivate them, then something's wrong, especially in the modern era.

Indeed, its what I suggested in my earlier post. If Kerr or H were to debut this week, the pre game jumper presentation will be very interesting.

If we take too many 1st game kids, combined with a bunch of 1st season players, we'll be back to the Port Adelaide situation and get a smashing which does nothing positive for anybody!

I can't see BB making that mistake twice, no matter how much pressure he is under from the club to play the kids! :o

They have kicked more behinds than goals in every match they have played this year.

All it will take is a week where they actually take their opportunities properly, and they will look like a pretty good side and the opposition will be the ones ruing their missed opportunities instead.

Whilst I don't think that this is an indicator of anything that will happen this year, I look at it, and realise, that these guys have been competitive if not good during this season. 

12.14 vs Western Bulldogs 15.10
11.14 vs Richmond 14.15
11.14 vs Sydney 11.13
7.13 vs St. Kilda  9.15
11.16 vs Essendon 15.10
15.17 vs Geelong 11.12

Im under no illusions as to where we are at, but it looks as though the Pies have been traveling better than us in terms of hitting the scoreboard regularly.

Our record by contrast:

14.5 vs Richmond 20.12
9.10 vs Melbourne 13.8
7.15 vs Essendon 6.6
12.10 vs GC Suns 17.6
6.11 vs Port 20.17
15.7 vs Sydney 11.12

Purely as a numbers exercise, we are scoring at an average of 20.17 scoring shots per match.  The pies have been averaging 25.86 scoring shots per match.
We have been allowing scoring shots of 24.7 scoring shots to our opposition per match, whilst the Pies have been averaging 25 scoring shots against. 

This has no bearing on the rate in which either of us will hit the scoreboard nor does it take into account scoring efficiency or even junk time scoring where the opposition allows a bit more leeway for teams to hit the scoreboard because the game is done but it does tell a story that they have been traveling better than we have in terms of hitting the scoreboard, and they seem to have been just as frugal as we have in terms of conceding.

So they should, they are a much more mature outfit, and they have been more consistent than us.

At the end of the day, neither of us know what is happening, but I don't live in a fools paradise and know that this will be a tough but winnable match, vs an opponent that hasn't been that good, but has had no real bad games either.

Scoring depends on the style of side you play against and the type of game on the day and sometimes conditions too. Our two highest scores last year were against Collingwood (99) and Geelong (104). All games are played differently. In the end it only depends if you win or lose. They hit the scoreboard more than us but obviously their opposition did against them too as they have the same amount of wins as us. Our game is likely to be more defensively than they have come across. How much would they have scored in that horrible day against Essendon, who we beat and they didn't? In the end we have played 3 of the same teams. they did better against Richmond bit we did quite a bit better against Essendon and Sydney than they did.

Even loaded up with stats they were dead set terrible against Essendon, in the wet and we know what a dreadful wet weather side they were against us, and St.Kilda. Don't let the scoreboard fool you there, especially that St.Kilda. Saints were dominant. They got a couple when it was over.

In our case too, depends on the type of side we picked. We load with kids as we have a couple of times this year, then we struggle more. When we put more bigger bodies in we go alot better as we did against Essendon, Sydney and Melbourne.

If we take too many 1st game kids, combined with a bunch of 1st season players, we'll be back to the Port Adelaide situation and get a smashing which does nothing positive for anybody!

I can't see BB making that mistake twice, no matter how much pressure he is under from the club to play the kids! :o

Agree, hence why I used the word "if".

McGuire also hates the Swans and GWS, and on any given day probably every other AFL club.

I don't deny the doctrine of the arch nemesis (although I think its era has passed), I just  think it should be put on the back burner. This is "Old Carlton". From the supporters point of view, it's good for a bit of fun and pointless argy bargy, but that's pretty much it. If the players and club think that a gimmick like this will motivate them, then something's wrong, especially in the modern era.

Rivalries exist and are also created, nothing "old" about it. Ask any kid drafted 10 years ago, today or in 10 years time what they think about playing on the MCG v Carlton, Filth, Scum or the Tiggers in front of 80-90K. Ask Hawks players/fans what they think of Geel and the Scum. The arch enemy stuff is just an extension of the rivalry IMO (ie rivalry taken to the next level), always been there for the players and fans, always will be.

Just an FYI.

BB is trying to have a past player coming every game to give the guys a heartfelt rev up, we don't need a jumper presentation to be scheduled for this to happen. It's a great initiative.

Rivalries exist and are also created, nothing "old" about it. Ask any kid drafted 10 years ago, today or in 10 years time what they think about playing on the MCG v Carlton, Filth, Scum or the Tiggers in front of 80-90K. Ask Hawks players/fans what they think of Geel and the Scum. The arch enemy stuff is just an extension of the rivalry IMO (ie rivalry taken to the next level), always been there for the players and fans, always will be.

I guess the point I was making is that in the professional era, and in the post-zone era, things like rivalries and arch enemies are old school. I can understand some fans getting into it, but beyond that, it's passé. Our players should be ready to play, irrespective of who the opponent is. And if we need a gimmick for every opponent we play, then something's wrong iMO.

Rob Walls admitted in an interview with Mike Sheahan that most of his rivalry with Essendon was made up, and stemmed mainly from issues with Sheedy.

Just an FYI.

BB is trying to have a past player coming every game to give the guys a heartfelt rev up, we don't need a jumper presentation to be scheduled for this to happen. It's a great initiative.

Didn't know that, thought it was only for debutants. Good stuff.

I guess the point I was making is that in the professional era, and in the post-zone era, things like rivalries and arch enemies are old school. I can understand some fans getting into it, but beyond that, it's passé. Our players should be ready to play, irrespective of who the opponent is. And if we need a gimmick for every opponent we play, then something's wrong iMO.

Rob Walls admitted in an interview with Mike Sheahan that most of his rivalry with Essendon was made up, and stemmed mainly from issues with Sheedy.

My head agrees with you on this, but when MM was coaching (and I don't want this to develop into an MM bash fest) he tried to take the emotion out of traditional rivalry games and we seemed to be on the back foot from the get go against teams obviously primed to want to feed on our ambivalence.

My head agrees with you on this, but when MM was coaching (and I don't want this to develop into an MM bash fest) he tried to take the emotion out of traditional rivalry games and we seemed to be on the back foot from the get go against teams obviously primed to want to feed on our ambivalence.

Yes, I remember those times, and I agree with him 100%. In we're a professional outfit, then we should never be on the back foot, irrespective of who the opposition is.

Unfortunately though, as professional as you like us to be, I don't think you can  deny that there is at least some effect.

Unfortunately though, as professional as you like us to be, I don't think you can  deny that there is at least some effect.

No doubt - the players talk to past greats, the players talk to fans (perhaps older fans), so yes, you absorb some of that, as you would learning a history lesson.

I don't get any greater joy beating Ess or Coll or the Tiges than if we beat anyone else. I have a team that I support, and I want them to play terrific footy and beat everyone they play. And that's it. They're all rivals as far as I'm concerned. Colours are irrelevant to me.

No doubt - the players talk to past greats, the players talk to fans (perhaps older fans), so yes, you absorb some of that, as you would learning a history lesson.

I don't get any greater joy beating Ess or Coll or the Tiges than if we beat anyone else. I have a team that I support, and I want them to play terrific footy and beat everyone they play. And that's it. They're all rivals as far as I'm concerned. Colours are irrelevant to me.

Gee, with respect, I don't get this at all.  If you start removing the big club rivalries.....what actually gets a supporter really passionate ? I have no emotion about beating teams like Gold Coast...or GWS, it's a job that has to be done to be successful that's for sure, but I don't & will never feel the same about beating them as opposed to beating Collingwood, or Essendon, or Richmond .....or Hawthorn (hopefully one day !).  If there's no difference to the supporters, why does the AFL bother scheduling in blockbuster games between sides such as Us & Collingwood/Essendon, Hawthorn & Geelong & the like ?

Gee, with respect, I don't get this at all.  If you start removing the big club rivalries.....what actually gets a supporter really passionate ? I have no emotion about beating teams like Gold Coast...or GWS, it's a job that has to be done to be successful that's for sure, but I don't & will never feel the same about beating them as opposed to beating Collingwood, or Essendon, or Richmond .....or Hawthorn (hopefully one day !).  If there's no difference to the supporters, why does the AFL bother scheduling in blockbuster games between sides such as Us & Collingwood/Essendon, Hawthorn & Geelong & the like ?

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Gee, with respect, I don't get this at all.  If you start removing the big club rivalries.....what actually gets a supporter really passionate ? I have no emotion about beating teams like Gold Coast...or GWS, it's a job that has to be done to be successful that's for sure, but I don't & will never feel the same about beating them as opposed to beating Collingwood, or Essendon, or Richmond .....or Hawthorn (hopefully one day !).  If there's no difference to the supporters, why does the AFL bother scheduling in blockbuster games between sides such as Us & Collingwood/Essendon, Hawthorn & Geelong & the like ?

This is exactly my point. If you're a supporter who buys into this, go ahead, knock yourself out. Rhys-Jones' comments were, to my mind, clearly intended as a rev up to the players, to give extra for the arch enemy. If they're giving this for the Pies and Ess, what are they giving when they play everyone else ?

For the supporters - fine.
For the players - iffy at best.

I celebrate every win on the merits of the game, not the opposition's colours. I would much more enjoy a win against any non rival club where we display such superior football skill, where you can really see players, coaches etc. who are at the top of their game, slicing the opposition to ribbons with meticulous and ridiculous ease, as opposed to some hackneyed, half arsed, limping over the line win over the baddies du jour.

Scoring depends on the style of side you play against and the type of game on the day and sometimes conditions too. Our two highest scores last year were against Collingwood (99) and Geelong (104). All games are played differently. In the end it only depends if you win or lose. They hit the scoreboard more than us but obviously their opposition did against them too as they have the same amount of wins as us. Our game is likely to be more defensively than they have come across. How much would they have scored in that horrible day against Essendon, who we beat and they didn't? In the end we have played 3 of the same teams. they did better against Richmond bit we did quite a bit better against Essendon and Sydney than they did.

Even loaded up with stats they were dead set terrible against Essendon, in the wet and we know what a dreadful wet weather side they were against us, and St.Kilda. Don't let the scoreboard fool you there, especially that St.Kilda. Saints were dominant. They got a couple when it was over.

In our case too, depends on the type of side we picked. We load with kids as we have a couple of times this year, then we struggle more. When we put more bigger bodies in we go alot better as we did against Essendon, Sydney and Melbourne.

I get where you are coming from, but after my somewhat rough analysis and subjective opinion based on a little exposure to their footy, we have Champion Data pulling out some stats that mean more to our subjective opinions regarding the Pies and whether or not they have gotten the results they should have, and lo and behold, they think that I make an extremely valid point regarding them not being as bad as advertised.

https://www.zerohanger.com/champion-data-release-expected-scores-ladder-dees-pies-ruing-missed-opportunities-11899/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=AFL+Trade+Rumours

The AFL’s premier provider of statistics, Champion Data, has released a table that shows where sides should be on ladder based on how good their goalkicking has been so far in 2017.

The “expected scores” are determined by whether a shot on goal should be converted based on the league average.

So far across the opening six rounds of the season, eight results should have been reversed according to Champion Data’s findings, with Collingwood and Melbourne both losing two games they should have won.

The Pies should have won their round one clash with the Bulldogs by five points instead of losing by 14, and they should have beaten Essendon by four on ANZAC Day, rather than losing by 18.

Melbourne lost back-to-back games against Geelong and Fremantle in rounds three and four, although they should have turned 29 and two-point losses into one and 12-point victories respectively.

At the end of the day, none of it has any bearing on who wins this saturday which is what we are discussing really.

Watched the NBs replay again and Jones and Daisy really were the standouts along with good progress from Kerr. Kerridge was busy but gave it back to the opposition too often, again! Be interesting to see our side for Saturday. Go Blues!

Ch 7 reporting SOS out Daisy In

COLLINGWOOD
In: B.Reid, J.Ramsay, J.De Goey
Out: T.Varcoe (hamstring), T.Broomhead, H.Schade (managed)

CARLTON
In: D.Thomas, S.Kerridge
Out: Z.Fisher (hamstring), J.Silvagni (shoulder)

Backs   15. Sam Docherty 44. Alex Silvagni 20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs   22. Caleb Marchbank 17. Sam Rowe 31. Tom Williamson
Centreline   6. Kade Simpson   9. Patrick Cripps 39. Dale Thomas
Half-forwards   35. Ed Curnow   41. Levi Casboult 32. Nick Graham
Forwards   46. Matthew Wright   23. Jacob Weitering   5. Samo Petrevski-Seton
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   4. Bryce Gibbs 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange   43. Simon White 30. Charlie Curnow 16. Billie Smedts
11. Sam Kerridge
Emergencies   14. Liam Jones 28. David Cuningham 26. Harrison Macreadie
In: Thomas, Kerridge

Out: Zac Fisher (hamstring), Jack Silvagni (shoulder)

Shame for the 2 kids. Cant decide whether we are stronger or weaker with the inclusions. Kerridge is terrible with the ball by hand and foot, Daisy appears to struggle at AFL level.
I'll back em in though.
Go Blues

FMD we get McInerney again!! The guy is the worst umpire going around and was a disgrace last week.

Shame for the 2 kids. Cant decide whether we are stronger or weaker with the inclusions. Kerridge is terrible with the ball by hand and foot, Daisy appears to struggle at AFL level.
I'll back em in though.
Go Blues

We look weaker with our outs...Reid is a good in for them.
Kerridge is in the team to tag IMO, looks like we are worried about their midfield depth...
De-Goey is an interesting in, wonder if he might get the Mills treatment....our blokes can ask him about his hand and how that plastic frisbee must have hurt so much... ;)

We look weaker with our outs...Reid is a good in for them.
Kerridge is in the team to tag IMO, looks like we are worried about their midfield depth...
De-Goey is an interesting in, wonder if he might get the Mills treatment....our blokes can ask him about his hand and how that plastic frisbee must have hurt so much... ;)

You are probably right about Kerridge EB, but I'm not exactly rapt to see him back. Hopefully Daisy has a good game, v. his old team especially.

COLLINGWOOD
In: B.Reid, J.Ramsay, J.De Goey
Out: T.Varcoe (hamstring), T.Broomhead, H.Schade (managed)

CARLTON
In: D.Thomas, S.Kerridge
Out: Z.Fisher (hamstring), J.Silvagni (shoulder)

Backs   15. Sam Docherty 44. Alex Silvagni 20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs   22. Caleb Marchbank 17. Sam Rowe 31. Tom Williamson
Centreline   6. Kade Simpson   9. Patrick Cripps 39. Dale Thomas
Half-forwards   35. Ed Curnow   41. Levi Casboult 32. Nick Graham
Forwards   46. Matthew Wright   23. Jacob Weitering   5. Samo Petrevski-Seton
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   4. Bryce Gibbs 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange   43. Simon White 30. Charlie Curnow 16. Billie Smedts
11. Sam Kerridge
Emergencies   14. Liam Jones 28. David Cuningham 26. Harrison Macreadie
In: Thomas, Kerridge

Out: Zac Fisher (hamstring), Jack Silvagni (shoulder)

Happy that the only two changes were forced changes, and that the match committee has backed in the boys that delivered our best performance of the year.

Re Kerridge - a frustrating disposer of the footy, but I like the fact that we have another big body around the contest, especially someone who gives everything and cracks in again and again.

Two kids out, two same olds in.... MC should have been under instructions to pick at least one kid.

We look weaker with our outs...Reid is a good in for them.
Kerridge is in the team to tag IMO, looks like we are worried about their midfield depth...
De-Goey is an interesting in, wonder if he might get the Mills treatment....our blokes can ask him about his hand and how that plastic frisbee must have hurt so much... ;)

Totally agree. 2 minders now - Kerridge and E Curnow.

Liam Jones is stiff, you wonder what he has to do to get a game.
Thomas in was a no brainer but I'm not sure about Kerridge, they must want some muscle around the contest but Jones has been hitting packs like a ton of bricks.

Anybody heard about career one going into receivership?
Apparantly we'll be wearing gaffa tape over the logo cos they aint paid us yet ????????

 :
weeelll  you get that.   :o

Liam Jones is stiff, you wonder what he has to do to get a game.
Thomas in was a no brainer but I'm not sure about Kerridge, they must want some muscle around the contest but Jones has been hitting packs like a ton of bricks.

The role Jones has been playing though he's behind Casboult. Not sure I'd want to bring him in just to play forward. Been that, done that.

I can't see a lot of goals in our 22, Wright won't kick 4 every week.
Jones isn't anything flash but he hits the ball hard, can chase and tackle and is usually good for a goal or two.

Anybody heard about career one going into receivership?
Apparantly we'll be wearing gaffa tape over the logo cos they aint paid us yet ????????

Wouldnt be surprised, been a woeful business losing money for years, Seek dominate the market...Acquire Learning(an equally dodgy business) took over as major shareholders, they are fronted by Andrew Demetriou and another bloke who was done for insider trading(think he has left or having a holiday).
Last thing I read about Acquire was that they sacked a lot of workers and were trying to cut costs, so maybe they are cutting career one loose....dont see any company fronted by Demetriou
wanting to do us any favours....

Pretty sure I heard Shelley Ware on Marngrook saying it's Kerro's 50th game. Best of luck Sam.

Last chance salloon for Kerridge I think - especially if Cunners has a blinder

Great message from Daisy - get dropped, don't sook, get on with the job, work hard, do the right things and you'll be back in the picture.   From all reports hopefully Jones will be considered at some stage too.

Rivalries dead? (apparently T Watson raised this today as well). Not on your Nelly. Adds spice to games, increases the crowd.  I would struggle to believe that there isn't a player or supporter who doesn't want to beat the pies in the main or in part because of our history.  If we were playing Brisbane this week, I'd only hope we can carry on last week's form, but we're not, we're playing Collingwood and geez, I really, really want us to beat them and will be more than disappointed if we don't.

Sportsdbet odds

Pies 1.36
Blues 3.25

Amazing. All because of their win over the Cats I presume. i'm having a piece of that!

75k+ for this one I reckon

75k+ for this one I reckon

MCC website, which is generally pretty accurate had it at 60k + at the start of the week, now 75k.  If it's a fine day, could nudge 80k due to 125 celebrations.  Will Mick M be there? Premiership coach at one, abject failure at another!!!

Sportsdbet odds

Pies 1.36
Blues 3.25

Amazing. All because of their win over the Cats I presume. i'm having a piece of that!

My mate did the same thing last week v the Swans, got us at $4.40 with a lazy $50. Rediculous odds.

As the week has gone on reckon this is much closer then the betting suggests.

They rarely pump a team which means we will likely be within distance at 3QT and in those situations I rate our senior group highly. Have seen it many times over the last few years.

Our wins in recent years are generally hard fought ones so close games suit our style. I'm not sure if its a confidence thing, but if we are in the game half way through the 3rd we are usually not going away and most times we get the points. Senior guys like Murphy, Simmo, Doc etc crack in harder and run their arses off when they can smell a win. Not as evident on TV but I go to a lot of live games and you can see it clearly.

Bring the same commitment to the contest as last week and we are a big chance to wreck their celebrations again!

I was at the last one when sticks kicked 6 or 7. Was a great feeling back then and will be again if we can do it.

As the week has gone on reckon this is much closer then the betting suggests.

They rarely pump a team which means we will likely be within distance at 3QT and in those situations I rate our senior group highly. Have seen it many times over the last few years.

Our wins in recent years are generally hard fought ones so close games suit our style. I'm not sure if its a confidence thing, but if we are in the game half way through the 3rd we are usually not going away and most times we get the points. Senior guys like Murphy, Simmo, Doc etc crack in harder and run their arses off when they can smell a win. Not as evident on TV but I go to a lot of live games and you can see it clearly.

Bring the same commitment to the contest as last week and we are a big chance to wreck their celebrations again!

I was at the last one when sticks kicked 6 or 7. Was a great feeling back then and will be again if we can do it.

Agree Shawny, very winnable this one is. Its imperative we start well. If they get a jump, we need to reign it in and keep as close as possible. If we can curtail their small fwds (Elliott, Fasolo), it will go a long way towards winning.

Geez, the media have it in for Daisy, BBs press conference was pretty much a media led Daisy inquisition.

I hope he does a Ted Whitten and "Sticks it Right Up Em!"

Casboult is due for a massive game...  I can think of nothing better than him kicking 6 against the old firm.

Casboult is due for a massive game...  I can think of nothing better than him kicking 6 against the old firm.

Kicking 10?

Casboult is due for a massive game...  I can think of nothing better than him kicking 6 against the old firm.

kicking 6 every week

Kicking 10?

kicking 6 every week

Don't be greedy!  6 against the Pies would make me very happy, particularly if the 6th was after the final siren and turned a 5 point deficit into a glorious win  :)

Don't be greedy!  6 against the Pies would make me very happy, particularly if the 6th was after the final siren and turned a 5 point deficit into a glorious win  :)

And Im greedy ;)

Don't be greedy!  6 against the Pies would make me very happy, particularly if the 6th was after the final siren and turned a 5 point deficit into a glorious win  :)

C'mon DJC. That's heart attack stuff.  ;)

I'd much rather win by 30 or so points so that they get the message loud and clear.

I'm not so optimistic about this one but if we're talking about the ideal margin when defeating Rottingwood, there are only two margins - 1st, you trail all day, get an iffy free on the siren and goal after the siren to win by a point or 100+ points, each of these wins has their very own deliciousness...  ;D ;D 8)

The good guys have rained on Collingwood’s parade in each of the first, 25th, 50th, 75th and centenary year contests involving the old foes.

Nuff said  8)

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-05-04/why-its-birthday-blues-for-the-pies

This is the first time in a few years I havnt had Foxtel. How can Saturday arvo football not be broadcast on free to air? This world is madness!!

Go Blues!!

This is the first time in a few years I havnt had Foxtel. How can Saturday arvo football not be broadcast on free to air? This world is madness!!

Go Blues!!

Can't get there today so I'll be listening to the radio - a bit of nostalgia.  :)

I refuse to be extorted for Foxtel and the AFL Live App video feed is now cr@p so no other choices but good old steam radio! I follow the stats live on the AFL website.

Can't get there today so I'll be listening to the radio - a bit of nostalgia.  :)

I refuse to be extorted for Foxtel and the AFL Live App video feed is now cr@p so no other choices but good old steam radio! I follow the stats live on the AFL website.

I've always liked AFL Grandstand. I would consider streaming Triple M but I fear eddies influence today.

This is the first time in a few years I havnt had Foxtel. How can Saturday arvo football not be broadcast on free to air? This world is madness!!

Go Blues!!

Can you ever remember a time in the recent past when Carlton / Collingwood games were not being broadcast?

Two of the games biggest clubs, traditional rivals, ones 125th birthday, and people who cannot get to the game have no hope of watching it! And don't give me they can subscribe rubbish, half the states regional areas cannot even get reliable Foxtel or Austel!

But we have to expect this, they(CheatsFC TV) happily broadcast someone like CheatsFC playing GC, it's a joke, Ch.7 has such a toxic culture now it's become a parody of itself! Look at BTs recent behaviour, and Ling and Darcy's(As I like to call him DaCry Hair Sniffer for Hire!) football mafia, it's almost damaging the game and devaluing it's worth!

I suppose conspiracy theorists would say it's pretty convenient given TV rights are up for renewal, and CheatFC TV has loaded the coverage with CheatsFC apologists, CheatsFC games and general commentators who talk the game down knowing people switch off!

Who'd have thunk it, when your about to buy something tell the salesperson how bad the quality is and how high the price! ;)

I've always liked AFL Grandstand. I would consider streaming Triple M but I fear eddies influence today.

Yep M43, I'll give Grandstand a go today.

Getting a bit worried now, Northern Blue & I are in Phuket about to head to the Aussie Bar to watch, hope it's not a fruitless trip?
Go Blues

Getting a bit worried now, Northern Blue & I are in Phuket about to head to the Aussie Bar to watch, hope it's not a fruitless trip?
Go Blues

According to the AFL site the games today are being shown in Asia via Watch AFL (Global Pass), whatever that means.

The good guys have rained on Collingwood’s parade in each of the first, 25th, 50th, 75th and centenary year contests involving the old foes.

Nuff said  8)

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-05-04/why-its-birthday-blues-for-the-pies

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Wells OUT.  That is significant!!! ''Managed' 3 games in 12 days. I wonder how many others will be feeing it???

According to the AFL site the games today are being shown in Asia via Watch AFL (Global Pass), whatever that means.

Cheers for the info Cookie2 but Aussie Bar with the new air con room is hard to pass up.  Especially full of loosing Collingwood supporters  :)

Cheers for the info Cookie2 but Aussie Bar with the new air con room is hard to pass up.  Especially full of loosing Collingwood supporters  :)

Sounds great!

Sounds great!

Had a mate who was up in Bali for the CheatsFC game, spent it at Nirvana Sports Bar Seminyak, it's owned and run by some CheatsFC people, full of CheatsFC memorabilia. My mate reckoned it was the best place to be on Earth a few weeks ago, the CheatsFC fans dragged their sorry ar5es out of the place like they'd sh1t themselves! He reckoned they were all doing Scott Brothers imitations, you know those pudding faces the Scotts pull when they lose! ;D

Had a mate who was up in Bali for the CheatsFC game, spent it at Nirvana Sports Bar Seminyak, it's owned and run by some CheatsFC people, full of CheatsFC memorabilia. My mate reckoned it was the best place to be on Earth a few weeks ago, the CheatsFC fans dragged their sorry ar5es out of the place like they'd sh1t themselves! He reckoned they were all doing Scott Brothers imitations, you know those pudding faces the Scotts pull when they lose! ;D

Hardwick has the best face after a loss, bottom lip drops like a little fat kid who just a jam donut ripped out from under him.

Hardwick has the best face after a loss, bottom lip drops like a little fat kid who just a jam donut ripped out from under him.

Dunno about that Gic.

Eddie McKnobs face is a joy to se after Carlton have beaten them.  ;D

Dunno about that Gic.

Eddie McKnobs face is a joy to se after Carlton have beaten them.  ;D

Like this one?
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Dunno about that Gic.

Eddie McKnobs face is a joy to se after Carlton have beaten them.  ;D

Agree. It is like his Universe has betrayed him.

I saw him up close before the game - his face was just as red.

Blood pressure issue?

Like this one?
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Just like that Gic.

Bloody beautiful !!!  :D

Like this one?
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I just want to see it again  ;D