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Title: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: mateinone on June 19, 2017, 11:53:06 am
Crash has yet to start this thread, so will kick it off.


Round: 14
Date: Sunday May 25th
Time: 15:20
Location: MCG
Home Team: Richmond

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Last 5
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Richmond 5-0
Average Margin: 24.2 Points

Last Win
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EF 2013
Richmond  3.5     10.7     12.10     14.12        (96)   
Carlton     2.3       6.5     12.6       18.8        (116)

Last Game
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Round 1: 2017
Carlton        4.3     7.4       12.4      14.5         (89)
Richmond    7.3    13.5       15.11    20.12     (132)



Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: mateinone on June 19, 2017, 12:06:05 pm
If Casboult plays (and there is no reason to assume that he won't) and if Rance plays on him, then we need Casboult to do what Carey used to do to us. Lead away from the play, act as a decoy and the lads need to keep the ball away from him.

Keeping Rance away from the drop of the ball isn't going to be easy but if we manage that I think it gives the rest of our forwards the best chance of kicking a winning score.

Richmond can be kept to low scores and have been kept to about 76 or below in all of their losses this year. We just have to make sure they don't get a big start like the Kangas did. If we keep it tight we can win this game.

Their midfield is extremely dangerous though and we need to match them in the contested possession.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LP on June 19, 2017, 12:24:07 pm
I've a feeling Rance will go to Charlie Curnow.

Clubs deal with Casboult by taking away his run at the pack, it was a glaring omission from the recent GC and GWS, you don't need a guy his height just a player heavy enough to wrestle with him behind play. I reckon Astbury or Grimes will get Casboult.

But one thing, I believe we can stretch Nthmond right across the ground, they do not look that big at the moment!
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: crashlander on June 19, 2017, 12:54:28 pm
I can't believe we have lost 5 in a row to these peasants. Got to do something about that!
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: BluePhantom on June 19, 2017, 01:02:52 pm
I can't believe we have lost 5 in a row to these peasants. Got to do something about that!
And that is what they are Crash Peasants! A good analogy. Silence is always deafening with a Richmond crowd  :)
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: bratblue on June 19, 2017, 01:15:51 pm
For something a bit different I would put Jones on Rance and tell him not to worry about goals but to play Rance like you played Lynch etc. Deny Rance any freedom in the back line and you're well on the way to beating the Richmond. 

Weiters or Marchbank can look after Jack.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LP on June 19, 2017, 01:18:42 pm
I can't believe we have lost 5 in a row to these peasants. Got to do something about that!

We've had some of the top rated players on the ground in recent times, but our middle tier and bottom end players have been smashed.

An aside, how was Tony Jones at the weekend having a dig at Carlton for not promoting the game, it's a Nthmond home game for a start!
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LP on June 19, 2017, 01:22:30 pm
For something a bit different I would put Jones on Rance and tell him not to worry about goals but to play Rance like you played Lynch etc. Deny Rance any freedom in the back line and you're well on the way to beating the Richmond. 

Weiters or Marchbank can look after Jack.

Would you want our back-line disrupted after the last few games?

I'd leave Jones on Riewoldt, and keep Marchbank and Weitering free to do their intercept marking thing which by reckoning they are just about better than Rance at doing!

Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: flyboy77 on June 19, 2017, 01:27:08 pm
Would you want our back-line disrupted after the last few games?

I'd leave Jones on Riewoldt, and keep Marchbank and Weitering free to do their intercept marking thing which by reckoning they are just about better than Rance at doing!

Don't forget the Plow and the Doc for intercept marking prowess!
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LP on June 19, 2017, 01:35:41 pm
Don't forget the Plow and the Doc for intercept marking prowess!

Agreed.

I think Jones can clearly disrupt Jumping Jack, Jones has the closing speed and the leap as long as he can maintain proximity with Jack.

Posters under-rate Riewoldt, but you do that at your peril, straight line or lateral leads won't work against Jones, so I expect clever Jack to be repeat leading like a chook with his head cut off. His running patterns will look like a bowl of spaghetti by the final siren. He may even try to drag Jones way up the field to turn him back towards goal.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: flyboy77 on June 19, 2017, 02:12:14 pm
Agreed.

I think Jones can clearly disrupt Jumping Jack, Jones has the closing speed and the leap as long as he can maintain proximity with Jack.

Posters under-rate Riewoldt, but you do that at your peril, straight line or lateral leads won't work against Jones, so I expect clever Jack to be repeat leading like a chook with his head cut off. His running patterns will look like a bowl of spaghetti by the final siren. He may even try to drag Jones way up the field to turn him back towards goal.

It's all about the defenders helping each other out - and the mids doing their bit defensively.

The reality is if the mids work as hard as they've done the last few weeks the back 6's job is much, much easier....
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: sydneybluesfan on June 19, 2017, 02:23:26 pm
For a left field suggestion what about bringing in Kerridge to go head to head with Dusty? Sam has been playing well in the NB's, and when Dusty goes forward I worry about who goes to him. Plowman is not quick, and Willo is too young for his big body. I think when we have played them in the past White has gone to Martin when resting forward.

Not sure what other changes we might make. Willo and Fisher are probably 2 who may need a rest. Willo only played 50% game time and didn't do too much last week, and Fisher is a terrier with his chasing but he hasn't hit the scoreboard or been an offensive threat. Both might benefit from time back in NB's, but they are both coming along nicely and showing some good signs. Maybe it's time to give Fish a spell and give Pickett another run??

The sooner we bring in H the better - the wide open spaces of the G will suit him and I would to see give him a block of 5-10 games to prepare him for 2018.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 19, 2017, 03:14:38 pm
If Casboult plays (and there is no reason to assume that he won't) and if Rance plays on him, then we need Casboult to do what Carey used to do to us. Lead away from the play, act as a decoy and the lads need to keep the ball away from him.

Keeping Rance away from the drop of the ball isn't going to be easy but if we manage that I think it gives the rest of our forwards the best chance of kicking a winning score.

Richmond can be kept to low scores and have been kept to about 76 or below in all of their losses this year. We just have to make sure they don't get a big start like the Kangas did. If we keep it tight we can win this game.

Their midfield is extremely dangerous though and we need to match them in the contested possession.
Pretty simple, kick the ball to where Rance aint.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: mateinone on June 19, 2017, 03:25:11 pm
Pretty simple, kick the ball to where Rance aint.

I agree, but I don't think it is that simple. In the split second you get to look for a lead, I am not sure you also then have the time to kick away from Rance. Which is why it would be good to know that Levi is leading Rance away from the hot spots and allow us to just honor other leads or hit the hot spots.

Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LP on June 19, 2017, 03:28:25 pm
Pretty simple, kick the ball to where Rance aint.

Or kick it on his head and let Casboult do the rest, not unlike May early on last week!
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: mateinone on June 19, 2017, 03:33:31 pm
Barring injuries or Daisy copping a week, does anyone see any changes for this week actually happening?

I don't think I would be dropping anyone from the win.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on June 19, 2017, 03:37:17 pm
Listening to SEN about an hour ago and they were sh1tcanning the Ch7 commentary team for "glossing over" Daisy's hit on Saad. They reckon he clearly ran past the ball to lay the bump! Never thought I'd see the day when Darc was being criticised for sticking up for us!  ;D
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: BluePhantom on June 19, 2017, 04:15:23 pm
only in slooow motion and only in one angle does it look like he ran over the ball.
They both went in to hit, Daisy kept everything in and I think he turned just to protect himself.
Personally I think Saad was reckless.
It was an accident with no malicious intent.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: bigblue on June 19, 2017, 04:16:24 pm
Rance is there equivalent to our Doc and Simmo. They'll  put Grimmes on Caz and use Rance as spare man to intercept incoming balls. We need someone to mind Rance. Push him off his run.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Professer E on June 19, 2017, 04:16:34 pm
If Daisy goes, clear evidence that certain clubs get selective treatment.

Buddy had only one intention in my mind and should get a month, but he won't.  Likewise for the Geelong hero and Mitchell, their golden tickets will get them off.

Bugg should get six on principle, weak as dog act... And that umpire should be scrubbed as well.  Failure to pay a free caused the game to spiral out of control.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: pew2 on June 19, 2017, 04:17:38 pm
start doc in the middle and simmo on the wing media kepy repeating how can these two be left alone mopping up,we need to surprise the coach of the year.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: blue4life on June 19, 2017, 05:05:48 pm
Barring injuries or Daisy copping a week, does anyone see any changes for this week actually happening?

I don't think I would be dropping anyone from the win.

No one in the VFL did anything spectacular and we won on the road, I can't see any changes.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: mateinone on June 19, 2017, 05:12:35 pm
Thomas cleared
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Lods on June 19, 2017, 05:34:13 pm
start doc in the middle and simmo on the wing media kepy repeating how can these two be left alone mopping up,we need to surprise the coach of the year.

Yep
They'll likely put a lot of thought put into stopping their influence after "every commentator and their dog" made mention of the perils of leaving them unattended.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 19, 2017, 05:35:35 pm
start doc in the middle and simmo on the wing media kepy repeating how can these two be left alone mopping up,we need to surprise the coach of the year.
Talking to my brother about the game, he commented that Doc started in the middle on many occasions against GC, is this correct. I was paying attention to the TV, I was at a dinner party so was focussing on the red wine more than the game. Will need to watch the replay. As to the second part of your post, I think they are left to mop up because of our structures, they are working very well at the minute.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Lods on June 19, 2017, 05:41:53 pm
Talking to my brother about the game, he commented that Doc started in the middle on many occasions against GC, is this correct. I was paying attention to the TV, I was at a dinner party so was focussing on the red wine more than the game. Will need to watch the replay. As to the second part of your post, I think they are left to mop up because of our structures, they are working very well at the minute.

I thought early on that he was playing further up towards the middle....but when you think about it so was everyone.
The ball wasn't in their half.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: pinot on June 19, 2017, 05:53:20 pm
One of these days our forward line and seeing it edge closer and closer that it will click. If that forward line clicks with the defence and midfield in place it will be pleasing to say the least.

Thats the only jigsaw in the puzzle for mine anyway
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: DJC on June 19, 2017, 06:24:59 pm
Talking to my brother about the game, he commented that Doc started in the middle on many occasions against GC, is this correct. I was paying attention to the TV, I was at a dinner party so was focussing on the red wine more than the game. Will need to watch the replay. As to the second part of your post, I think they are left to mop up because of our structures, they are working very well at the minute.

Yes, Docherty started in the centre square many times and got a couple of clearances.  I think it's a natural development/progression of his game ... but he still spent a lot of time in defence.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: kruddler on June 19, 2017, 06:52:36 pm
Or kick it on his head and let Casboult do the rest, not unlike May early on last week!

That's my tactic.

You got someone who is giving you grief. Kick a high ball directly to him and make sure you can get a good run at him the ball.  >:D
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: shawny on June 19, 2017, 07:41:12 pm
Yep
They'll likely put a lot of thought put into stopping their influence after "every commentator and their dog" made mention of the perils of leaving them unattended.

They will try but Doc and Simmo have been doing this for the last 18 months - Coaches have known about this well before the media spelt it out but not as easy as the media make it out by simply 'manning them up'

Bit like saying why don't clubs tag Dangerfield or why Dusty fends everyone off......cause there bloody good at their craft and that's why Doc is the best running defender in the comp and Simmo is not far behind him.

I watch a lot of games live and Doc in particular is amazingly fast when every one else is spent. Not sure if its his will to push himself or if he just has an enormous tank and has more pace then credited for but I have watched him many times start behind an opponent chasing the pill late in tight games and he always seem to out sprint them. Simmo as well seems to run games out well, they use their superior fitness to find space a lot of the time so you need a very fit forward to be able to go with them and 'man them up'.

If it doesn't work not only do our boys win but the opposition loses output from 2 forwards. The same goes when you try and tag. You can lose both ways.

Bet you Dusty will fend off our mids and Doc and Simmo will play their usual roles successfully.

As long as we win, I'm happy.

 

Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 19, 2017, 08:18:50 pm
Docherty and Simpson were down vs Richmond last game...they manned up grass and fresh air for most of the game....the Richmond unknown smalls like Butler were left unmarked and hurt us bad, even Lambert when resting down there kicked goals because our smaller defenders wouldnt defend.
We need to play more accountable footy vs the Tigers who I dont rate but who have players who can hurt us if you dont put time into them...sick and tired of seeing a slacker like Grigg left alone and pick up easy kicks or a player like Houli setup play from half back because our forwards wouldnt chase or man him up.
These players are not that good in fact Richmond bar a few A graders are not that good and we shouldnt be allowing unknowns and C graders to win them games....
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: BluePhantom on June 19, 2017, 08:45:52 pm
Thomas cleared
And that is the way it should be.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: blueday on June 19, 2017, 09:28:52 pm
Given all the small fwds. I wonder if Buckley plays.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 19, 2017, 10:03:25 pm
Given all the small fwds. I wonder if Buckley plays.
Not based on what I saw of him in the 2s.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Jofo on June 19, 2017, 10:15:05 pm
Given all the small fwds. I wonder if Buckley plays.

Can't get near it at the Bullants. It appears that Williamson will be out. Maybe Casey Byrne will get a run?
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Baggers on June 19, 2017, 11:39:05 pm
I was enthusiastic about our chances this week against the Tiggers, until I listened to BB warning us that we've still a long way to go, etc... preparing us for a let down? Just like last year? If we keep winning SOS won't be happy, he needs us to finish low so he can negotiate important trades.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on June 20, 2017, 12:12:24 am
These guys reserve their best efforts for us.

It's no coincidence that we haven't beaten them since "that final".

Casboult likes playing against Richmond usually.   At least I remember him having some of his better games against this mob.

Time for us to knock them off.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: pinot on June 20, 2017, 05:58:25 am
I was enthusiastic about our chances this week against the Tiggers, until I listened to BB warning us that we've still a long way to go, etc... preparing us for a let down? Just like last year? If we keep winning SOS won't be happy, he needs us to finish low so he can negotiate important trades.

SOS should be able to get the draft and trades done no matter where we finish on the ladder.

Two big wins in a row could set complacency within the team- youngsters do need perspective as most are teenagers and feet need to be on ground.

This team needs a hardnosed winning culture and they should be gutted not playing in finals this year. Club needs membership boost in a big way and that is playing finals.

If we finish between 16-12 what I predicted pre season and trade Gibbs (SOS would ask for overs of GTFO) that would net pick 3-6 and pick 18-15 one more pick in top 30 would be nice so I don't think ladder position matters even if we finish 8th.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on June 20, 2017, 08:03:59 am
I think BB will want to keep the boys fired up and win as many of the remaining games as possible, starting with the Tiggers. This most important imo and SOS will have to trade and draft around that.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: BluePhantom on June 20, 2017, 09:17:03 am
I was enthusiastic about our chances this week against the Tiggers, until I listened to BB warning us that we've still a long way to go, etc... preparing us for a let down? Just like last year? If we keep winning SOS won't be happy, he needs us to finish low so he can negotiate important trades.

He is just towing the party line and trying to keep a lid on it.
That fine line of talking the team up but not and as well not giving the opposition any ammo.

BB is an ambitious man who wants success, so don't be fooled by the mild mannered man with a cheesy grin.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LP on June 21, 2017, 04:21:19 pm
Based on the VFL Coaches reviews over the last few weeks, and bits and pieces I have seen, I'd have to say White is the most likely replacement for Williamson. Deserves a go based on form, can and does play both ends which could be very useful this weekend.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 21, 2017, 04:25:43 pm
Based on the VFL Coaches reviews over the last few weeks, and bits and pieces I have seen, I'd have to say White is the most likely replacement for Williamson. Deserves a go based on form, can and does play both ends which could be very useful this weekend.

Yep White was the media choice for our best in the NB's(not mine) and as Krud pointed out White has also done the job on Martin before so plenty of good reasons to include him...reckon this game might get a bit willing given the Tigers/Hardwicks position and BB's like of the niggle so White might be handy in that area too...
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: blueday on June 21, 2017, 05:12:46 pm
Based on the VFL Coaches reviews over the last few weeks, and bits and pieces I have seen, I'd have to say White is the most likely replacement for Williamson. Deserves a go based on form, can and does play both ends which could be very useful this weekend.

Will be exposed. We need to go smaller not bigger.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Professer E on June 21, 2017, 05:17:43 pm
A decent game from Byrne and he'll get a gig.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: pinot on June 21, 2017, 07:22:27 pm
A decent game from Byrne and he'll get a gig.

I would go for Byrne for sure he is AFL quality. 
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Tragic on June 22, 2017, 11:00:05 am
A decent game from Byrne and he'll get a gig.

I was very disappointed when he did his knee last year.  A good replacement for Simmo when he hangs 'em up.  Has a nice kick, and finds a way to get through traffic with a bit of dash.  Can't wait to see him back, and I think the only question will be his match fitness and confidence.  Our back half looks very nice for the next several years.  Hopefully that allows one or two to move towards the wing.  Thinking of Williamson and maybe Doc.  Having such a strong defensive unit with attacking flair in a way helps our midfield.  Teams don't usually want to take too much class and run out of their back half to bolster the midfield, but we have the luxury of quite a few to choose from.  One more blue chip mid (Kelly I'm hoping), and a flanker moving to the wing, and keep Gibbs, and suddenly our midfield starts looking strong too.  Then it's just the fwd line, which TBH is still looking no better than previously, and is still putting a lot of hope on McKay.  Maybe Charlie Boy will turn out so good he's a gun centre half fwd, and SOJ a good reliable third tall, Wright released from so much midfield time he can have a regular impact fwd, and Pickett living up to his potential as a defensive fwd and goal sneak.  Then it's just a full fwd we need, and maybe McKay will do a good enough job in that role.  Based on that hopeful assessment, I think we're closer to having all the pieces than we dare to dream.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on June 22, 2017, 04:08:47 pm
I've tipped us for this one and from reading the coach's review of our last VFL outing would think White is every chance of being included.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Amers on June 22, 2017, 04:41:02 pm
I would go for Byrne for sure he is AFL quality. 

He is definitely AFL quality, I'm just not sure about being AFL ready just yet, I reckon another week in the VFL will do him good.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Baggers on June 22, 2017, 05:15:16 pm
I've tipped us for this one and from reading the coach's review of our last VFL outing would think White is every chance of being included.

Yep, White for Willo and maybe Palmer for Boekhorst.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: flyboy77 on June 22, 2017, 05:37:05 pm
Yep, White for Willo and maybe Palmer for Boekhorst.

Boekhurst needs to be given a few weeks go in the 1s after all most likely his last chance? he offers more than Palmer if he can turn it on....
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: flyboy77 on June 22, 2017, 06:32:05 pm
Carlton's extended squad for Sunday:

Backs   15. Sam Docherty   14. Liam Jones   23. Jacob Weitering
Half-backs   20. Lachie Plowman   22. Caleb Marchbank   39. Dale Thomas
Centreline   6. Kade Simpson   9. Patrick Cripps   46. Matthew Wright
Half-forwards   35. Ed Curnow   41. Levi Casboult   12. Blaine Boekhorst
Forwards   13. Jed Lamb   30. Charlie Curnow   1. Jack Silvagni
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   4. Bryce Gibbs   3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange from:   16. Billie Smedts   11. Sam Kerridge   25. Zac Fisher
    28. David Cuningham   32. Nick Graham   33. Jarrod Pickett
    5. Samo Petrevski-Seton       

In: Smedts, Kerridge, Graham, Pickett

Out: Williamson (back)
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Baggers on June 22, 2017, 06:48:55 pm
Boekhurst needs to be given a few weeks go in the 1s after all most likely his last chance? he offers more than Palmer if he can turn it on....

Looks like the club agrees! Palmer and White didn't even get a look in... Maybe Pickett gets the nod?
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: flyboy77 on June 22, 2017, 07:33:13 pm
Looks like the club agrees! Palmer and White didn't even get a look in... Maybe Pickett gets the nod?

Pickett should (in time) be a gem, dare I say it, a gun....i hope his injuries stay away and he gets his fitness levels to the required level.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: crashlander on June 22, 2017, 08:37:30 pm
Carlton

B: Sam Docherty, Liam Jones, Jacob Weitering
HB: Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank, Dale Thomas
C: Kade Simpson, Patrick Cripps, Matthew Wright
HF: Ed Curnow, Levi Casboult, Blaine Boekhorst
F: Jed Lamb, Charlie Curnow, Jack Silvagni
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy
Int: Billie Smedts, Sam Kerridge, Zac Fisher, David Cuningham, Nick Graham, Jarrod Pickett, Sam Petrevski-Seton (Three to be omitted)

In: Billie Smedts, Sam Kerridge, Nick Graham, Jarrod Pickett

Out: Tom Williamson (Back)

Richmond

B: David Astbury, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes
HB: Brandon Ellis, Bachar Houli, Kamdyn McIntosh
C: Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin, Shaun Grigg
HF: Kane Lambert, Sam Lloyd, Josh Caddy
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Dan Butler
R: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia
Int: Jayden Short, Shai Bolton, Connor Menadue, Jason Castagna, Ben Lennon, Oleg Markov, Ivan Maric (Three to be omitted)

In: Ben Lennon, Oleg Markov, Ivan Maric

I thought we may have brought in a small, quick defender for Williamson.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 22, 2017, 08:56:51 pm
Carlton

B: Sam Docherty, Liam Jones, Jacob Weitering
HB: Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank, Dale Thomas
C: Kade Simpson, Patrick Cripps, Matthew Wright
HF: Ed Curnow, Levi Casboult, Blaine Boekhorst
F: Jed Lamb, Charlie Curnow, Jack Silvagni
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy
Int: Billie Smedts, Sam Kerridge, Zac Fisher, David Cuningham, Nick Graham, Jarrod Pickett, Sam Petrevski-Seton (Three to be omitted)

In: Billie Smedts, Sam Kerridge, Nick Graham, Jarrod Pickett

Out: Tom Williamson (Back)

Richmond

B: David Astbury, Alex Rance, Dylan Grimes
HB: Brandon Ellis, Bachar Houli, Kamdyn McIntosh
C: Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin, Shaun Grigg
HF: Kane Lambert, Sam Lloyd, Josh Caddy
F: Daniel Rioli, Jack Riewoldt, Dan Butler
R: Toby Nankervis, Dustin Martin, Dion Prestia
Int: Jayden Short, Shai Bolton, Connor Menadue, Jason Castagna, Ben Lennon, Oleg Markov, Ivan Maric (Three to be omitted)

In: Ben Lennon, Oleg Markov, Ivan Maric

I thought we may have brought in a small, quick defender for Williamson.

Lambert or Ellis will get Docherty to mind IMO...
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on June 22, 2017, 09:30:31 pm
Looks like the club agrees! Palmer and White didn't even get a look in... Maybe Pickett gets the nod?

So much for our selection theories Baggers!  :))
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LP on June 23, 2017, 08:16:30 am
It's a worry when selections appear not to be following form.

It started with Boekhorst a few weeks back, had been playing well, then played possibly his worst for 2017 and got promoted! :o

Can't say Pickett or Smedts deserve a run based on recent games. :(

Kerridge and Graham are both getting plenty of football and that is a better sign than guys who show a quarter here and there. But to replace Williamson it seems White is the man in form.

Suggests this weekend our team structure will be very different from recent games.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: flyboy77 on June 23, 2017, 08:49:47 am
I must say I look at that listed Richmond line up for Sunday's game and can only think - pretty darn ordinary team (Dusty and Riewoldt aside).....

If we bring our new found 'consistent' level of intensity and dare I say it better ball usage, we'll win very comfortably.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Pratty on June 23, 2017, 10:56:14 am
My team would be:

Backs   15. Sam Docherty   14. Liam Jones   23. Jacob Weitering
Half-backs   20. Lachie Plowman   22. Caleb Marchbank   39. Dale Thomas
Centreline   6. Kade Simpson   9. Patrick Cripps   46. Matthew Wright
Half-forwards   35. Ed Curnow   41. Levi Casboult   12. Blaine Boekhorst
Forwards   13. Jed Lamb   30. Charlie Curnow   1. Jack Silvagni
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   4. Bryce Gibbs   3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange:    25. Zac Fisher  28. David Cuningham 33. Jarrod Pickett    5. Samo Petrevski-Seton       
Emergencies:   16. Billie Smedts   11. Sam Kerridge    32. Nick Graham  

Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Baggers on June 23, 2017, 12:13:11 pm
This will be a terrific test for our on-field leadership as the Tiggers will no doubt put plenty of time into Docherty, Simmo and Gibbs, which means Murphy, Cripps and other younger mids (Boekhorst, Cuningham, ZF and Samo) are going to have to have a much bigger impact on the game than in previous weeks. And other defenders will have to pick up the slack should the Doc and Simmo be curbed.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: townsendcalling on June 23, 2017, 02:29:09 pm
Late Mail

"CARLTON will monitor important defender Sam Docherty in the lead-up to Sunday’s clash with Richmond, as he has been battling calf soreness.

The Blues expect the All-Australian contender to play against the Tigers on Sunday, but he was very sore following a kick in the calf during last week’s win over Gold Coast.

He hasn’t done a lot on the track so far this week and will have a last hit-out on Saturday morning.

Carlton insist he will be right to play."
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: laj on June 23, 2017, 04:13:48 pm
Fisher (achilles) and Cuningham (adductor) are out. Sumner and White into the 25.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: flyboy77 on June 23, 2017, 04:33:37 pm
ASt least our lads, especially the younger brigade, full well know - as a fact - that if they put the effort in they can beat anyone, including the much vaunted GWS.

They certainly won't be doubting their ability to beat the Tigers.

Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on June 23, 2017, 04:39:17 pm
Fisher (achilles) and Cuningham (adductor) are out. Sumner and White into the 25.

Sounds like we are managing players and dont need our best 22 out there as its only Richmond....

 >:D
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 23, 2017, 04:43:51 pm
Fisher (achilles) and Cuningham (adductor) are out. Sumner and White into the 25.

Bit of running power out of the team....lessens our chances IMO...
Dont mind Sumner and White as ins but those two players out are quality...
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Jofo on June 23, 2017, 05:02:10 pm
I think Graham, Sumner and Kerridge will come in. It'll be a bit slippery on Sunday. White is insurance for Docherty.

Richmond is a little nervous about Nankervis. Maric may come in.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: cookie2 on June 23, 2017, 05:10:23 pm
Bench = Picket, Smedts, Graham, SPS
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Professer E on June 23, 2017, 05:18:17 pm
What has Smedts done to get a game?  A few more hard bodies but lost some class and pace.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Baggers on June 23, 2017, 07:15:46 pm
What has Smedts done to get a game?  A few more hard bodies but lost some class and pace.

We're a secretive mob... no mention of ZF and Cuningham in the Tuesday injury update... I guess we're meant to believe the injuries happened at training after Tuesday this week.  ???
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 23, 2017, 11:19:33 pm
Pickett should by the coach flowers, he would to pull his finger out to justify selection.
I was confident but three changes? Don't like it when 3 or more changes are made. Also, who the feck organises a gala dinner in between games? Why not organise during the feckin bye!
I think we might get rolled, hate this mob with a passion >:(
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 23, 2017, 11:49:29 pm
Pickett should by the coach flowers, he would to pull his finger out to justify selection.
I was confident but three changes? Don't like it when 3 or more changes are made. Also, who the feck organises a gala dinner in between games? Why not organise during the feckin bye!
I think we might get rolled, hate this mob with a passion >:(

Agree...Pickett was handy vs Werribee but didnt do enough....Smedts I guess was the travelling emergency, his form before that was ok but not outstanding...I think Palmer has a bit more class
and would have suited us vs Richmond...also would have played White...

Pickett, Smedts and my whipping boy Boekhorst  has a look of unreliability I dont like....Graham looks a more reliable player which makes me nervous...
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: cimm1979 on June 24, 2017, 10:16:57 am
Agree...Pickett was handy vs Werribee but didnt do enough....Smedts I guess was the travelling emergency, his form before that was ok but not outstanding...I think Palmer has a bit more class
and would have suited us vs Richmond...also would have played White...

Pickett, Smedts and my whipping boy Boekhorst  has a look of unreliability I dont like....Graham looks a more reliable player which makes me nervous...

I reckon you'll see a lot more rotations of fringe and newbies for the rest of the year.

i think they'll use the rest of the season to test the list fringe players and, lets face it, we have quite a few still.

Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: pinot on June 24, 2017, 12:53:39 pm
I don't mind the ins providing they play their role. There is still upside in performance levels for all three players. White and Kerridge potential upside is done and dusted but I think Smedts might have some more in him.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: jeza on June 24, 2017, 03:58:21 pm
Lost Williamson, Fisher and Cunningham. 7, 11 and 10 possession last week. Not the end of the world that they miss. Pickett is the type of player that will play better at AFL level.  We need his speed.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 24, 2017, 04:00:05 pm
I reckon you'll see a lot more rotations of fringe and newbies for the rest of the year.

i think they'll use the rest of the season to test the list fringe players and, lets face it, we have quite a few still.
But I want to beat these yellow striped maggots so bad!!
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: mateinone on June 24, 2017, 06:01:57 pm
It might be that over time I am getting to the stage that it is hard to 'believe', but the closer this game comes the more worried I am. I hate the Tigers are much as the next, but my head tells me that are a good side and consistently so. Yes it is great to see them blowing leads, but this they have played a good game in all games except for the Adelaide game.

They are genuine premiership contenders the way the AFL now is. Their smalls worry me up forward, the same goes with Dusty. He is paying 9.00 as the leading goal kicker and it would not surprise me to see him bag 3-4 goals in this game.

I am still hopeful for a win, but like quite a few games this year I am weary. I am hoping Bolton can have the team go into this game with the same level of desperation that we took into the game against GWS and most importantly that we can start with the intensity we had last week (but also make it count on the scoreboard).

HUGE game for our club this week!
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LP on June 24, 2017, 06:47:14 pm
Pop quiz at VAFA today.

Everybody wants Carton to win!
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: PaulP on June 24, 2017, 07:48:28 pm
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-v-richmond-brendon-bolton-tells-blues-to-get-physical-20170623-gwxiil.html
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 24, 2017, 08:19:36 pm
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-v-richmond-brendon-bolton-tells-blues-to-get-physical-20170623-gwxiil.html

Dont see too many volunteers putting their hand up to serve it up to Martin but as I said previously I think Cotchin will get the Ablett treatment..
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 25, 2017, 08:35:35 am
If Doc doesnt play, that will make it very hard indeed.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LP on June 25, 2017, 10:03:51 am
Dont see too many volunteers putting their hand up to serve it up to Martin but as I said previously I think Cotchin will get the Ablett treatment..

I think if we are too focussed on Cotchin, it leaves Martin with a get out of jail free card, no pun intended!

I think we have the players to break even with Cotchin and Martin, it's some of the other outside pace that Nthmond have which is more of a worry for me. Especially with a couple of our quicker players out injured.

We might rue those missing pressure acts! ;)
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: townsendcalling on June 25, 2017, 11:03:20 am
As silly as it sounds, I think that the performances of Wright, Thomas, Lamb and Smedts will do a fair way to determining the result.   They are all have experience, all mature bodies and can influence if they are on song.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2017, 11:37:16 am
I think if we are too focussed on Cotchin, it leaves Martin with a get out of jail free card, no pun intended!

I think we have the players to break even with Cotchin and Martin, it's some of the other outside pace that Nthmond have which is more of a worry for me. Especially with a couple of our quicker players out injured.

We might rue those missing pressure acts! ;)

Think I would have gone with Kruds man Simon White in this game as an option to play on Dusty....I guess Gibbs will take Cotchin...
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: kruddler on June 25, 2017, 12:30:28 pm
Think I would have gone with Kruds man Simon White in this game as an option to play on Dusty....I guess Gibbs will take Cotchin...

Yeah, White is a good option to have on your team, especially when he has towelled up the best the opposition has to offer.

If it doesn't work, you can put him in any part of the ground and know what to expect - effort.

Gibbs on Cotchin?
I reckon Ed on Cotchin.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2017, 01:00:39 pm
Yeah, White is a good option to have on your team, especially when he has towelled up the best the opposition has to offer.

If it doesn't work, you can put him in any part of the ground and know what to expect - effort.

Gibbs on Cotchin?
I reckon Ed on Cotchin.

Thought Ed might get Martin....
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: kruddler on June 25, 2017, 01:41:04 pm
Thought Ed might get Martin....

Plowman to Dusty
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: mateinone on June 25, 2017, 02:03:48 pm
Get Ed onto him and make sure Charlie comes in and puts a big body on him at every chance.
Title: Re: Round 14: Pre-Game Richmond
Post by: LoveNavy on June 25, 2017, 03:04:03 pm
Looking forward to your comments bluebaggers.
We're overseas at present. At best, may be able to stream the radio broadcast.

Go Blues.