This game at Geelong on a Saturday is one of the biggest insults we've had to put up with ever. As a Geelong home game at Geelong, they are treating it like they do interstate games. There are 1000 seats for Carlton supporters. Repeat and stress: 1000 places only. This was confirmed and explained at the AGM. I was not impressed then and I am even less impressed now, especially as I won't be at the game. I was not able to get one of 1000 tickets. We have a huge supporter base and over 50 000 members, yet less than 1 in 50 of our MEMBERS can get a seat. Where does that leave the thousands of supporters?
I find this very hard to comprehend, to be honest.
I got tickets for me and the kids, snapped them up the morning they became available (months ago). Looking forward to only driving 20 min each way rather than 2 hrs each way! Mind you, I think the Cats will be pretty grumpy given the touch up the Drug Cheats are giving them at the moment
Been to one game in Geelong, years ago. Probably will never go to another.........
Really simple...
Come with a strong effort and attitude and we're a chance.
Bring today's effort and we'll be done by 100 again
Really simple...
Come with a strong effort and attitude and we're a chance.
Bring today's effort and we'll be done by 100 again
We should rebound, but its unfortunate Geelong got beat by a rubbish unit like Essendon and the holy trinity had bad games.....we will need a miracle of sorts as they will rebound as well.
What I didnt like was our last quarter effort, you can get beat by a lot but keep trying but we gave up and thats not a good sign leading into another game, we needed to rebound in that last quarter'
and set up for next week but we meekly folded. Bolton gave them a rev but no response...I'd be making 5-6 changes on that basis and maybe going kids like Polsen, Cunningham as well as Weitering, the Curnows and maybe Shaw who might give me a contest. Mullett and OShea as certain outs, Murphy inj.....Kerr stays in.......Garlett out and I'd drop Plowman too.
Graham would start in the middle with Cripps to reward and encourage him.....Jones on Blicavs to play that roaming tall man role...
Tempted to play Philips as well...Kreuzer looked a bit knackered after having Gawn for company all day and I want some options.....
I think that Silvagni should play, he doesn't get big numbers but he brings something intangible and I think that the team looks better with him in it.
Weitering is a must, if I never see O'Shea in a Carlton jumper again I'll be happy.
Cunningham for Mullet, Polson too at a pinch for either of Kerridge, Lamb or Garlett.
I'd drop Rowe, I think he's done.
I think that Silvagni should play, he doesn't get big numbers but he brings something intangible and I think that the team looks better with him in it.
I wanted SoJ in this week against Hogan, when Hogan was running on the ball SoJ should have been his shadow, Hogan is in his first season as a mid.
We can't bring the kid in against Ablett, Selwood and Dangerfield, that would be completely unfair! Which based on our MC's recent history, is exactly what they will do!
Graham would start in the middle with Cripps to reward and encourage him.....Jones on Blicavs to play that roaming tall man role...
Tempted to play Philips as well...Kreuzer looked a bit knackered after having Gawn for company all day and I want some options.....
Agree with all this, Jones needs to find a role outside D50 and we keep hearing he's a training beast, it's time to prove it!
We have certain strengths, we need to play to them.
Bad day. Cripps and Murphy aside, that was the worst tackling by a Carlton side I can remember. Bring in Silvagni, at least he'll tackle someone if he can catch them
We should rebound, but its unfortunate Geelong got beat by a rubbish unit like Essendon and the holy trinity had bad games.....we will need a miracle of sorts as they will rebound as well.
What I didnt like was our last quarter effort, you can get beat by a lot but keep trying but we gave up and thats not a good sign leading into another game, we needed to rebound in that last quarter'
and set up for next week but we meekly folded. Bolton gave them a rev but no response...I'd be making 5-6 changes on that basis and maybe going kids like Polsen, Cunningham as well as Weitering, the Curnows and maybe Shaw who might give me a contest. Mullett and OShea as certain outs, Murphy inj.....Kerr stays in.......Garlett out and I'd drop Plowman too.
Graham would start in the middle with Cripps to reward and encourage him.....Jones on Blicavs to play that roaming tall man role...
Tempted to play Philips as well...Kreuzer looked a bit knackered after having Gawn for company all day and I want some options.....
Agree with this bar the Phillips bit. No more 2 ruckmen. Does nothing for us and failed every time.
Bad day. Cripps and Murphy aside, that was the worst tackling by a Carlton side I can remember. Bring in Silvagni, at least he'll tackle someone if he can catch them
Actually we won the tackles 89-81. Probably 2nd to the ball syndrome unfortunately.
Actually we won the tackles 89-81. Probably 2nd to the ball syndrome unfortunately.
Melbourne players were just standing up in our tackles and dishing it off.
Melbourne players were just standing up in our tackles and dishing it off.
Petracca, Oliver, Hogan, etc., etc., are all about 187cm or taller and 85-90kg, and their small mids are rock hard like Viney.
Need a stat on "broken tackles", we set a new record today
Melbourne players were just standing up in our tackles and dishing it off.
Didn't say they were good tackles..lol.
Petracca, Oliver, Hogan, etc., etc., are all about 187cm or taller and 85-90kg, and their small mids are rock hard like Viney.
The went out of their way to get big mids, we didnt........thats a recruiting mistake...
Well perhaps it's time to give Jack a go in the guts....
Well perhaps it's time to give Jack a go in the guts....
Definitely!
Definitely!
Not this week, he'll get monstered and look rubbish resulting in a permanent call being made on that experiment unjustly.
We have to start looking after the kids as priority one, not throwing them in the deep end and seeing which ones drown!
If you want go down this survival of the fittest route, then you need to enact a very different draft strategy, you need to draft footballers not athletes. Guys like Kane Lambert and Mitch Robinson are the ones who thrive in adversity, we cut or ignore those guys.
Time to give Dow a break.
Matt Shaw can't be worse than blancmange Mullet, likewise Weeters for Capt Useless OShea.
If Garlett doesn't get dropped I will lose the little bit of faith I have left in this current coaching group.
Jogs around the outside of the play guarding space and does what he can to avoid getting involved. Refuses to use his one advantage in his pace. Put simply offers SFA week in week out. Cant see him outlasting his current contract.
Reckon our club would learn to resist in taking these late picks on these sorts of players that 17 other teams say no to.
Mullet, O'Shea and Garlett might cost little but they take a spot on the list and then the club tries to justify be playing them when they are not up to it.
If Garlett doesn't get dropped I will lose the little bit of faith I have left in this current coaching group.
Jogs around the outside of the play guarding space and does what he can to avoid getting involved. Refuses to use his one advantage in his pace. Put simply offers SFA week in week out. Cant see him outlasting his current contract.
Reckon our club would learn to resist in taking these late picks on these sorts of players that 17 other teams say no to.
Mullet, O'Shea and Garlett might cost little but they take a spot on the list and then the club tries to justify be playing them when they are not up to it.
Jarrod Garlett is a low risk high reward player. Hes a former first round draftee, with good tools to play the game, and would absolutely look good in a side such as Hawthorn where everyone is much more polished and is experienced.
Mullet was an insurance pickup who was likely to play more VFL footy than not, in case someone went down injured and we needed some outside run. Unfortunately, hes playing off half back in a role that Docherty was playing so much better last season, and is actually not playing too poorly, he just isnt very good when contrasted with Docherty.
O Shea got a chance off hard work, and good form in the VFL. Irrespective of how he works out on our list, the fact that he got the rewards makes the Northern Blues an attractive destination for AFL blokes looking for a second chance, and although he might not be a success story for us, it could pay dividends in other players.
I think that the emotion of yesterdays game leaves us not thinking critically about things, and looking too much at the johnny come lately outcomes, and not enough on the bigger picture which is far more important. We have faced a bit of a perfect storm this season, but the reality is that it was much more likely to occur than not given just how badly we have been hit with injuries to too many key performers.
We made the decision to trade Gibbs, which was always going to put a bit of a strain on our team to survive, but its absolutely doesnt help that the two mature mids we traded in that have a good long term outlook in Lang and Kennedy have been broken men this season, Docherty went down injured, and Kreuzer has gone back to his old self where he takes two steps forward and then three back thanks to being physically hindered.
We need to have a better grasp on where we are at than this or else we just are firing out criticism for no good reason.
Jarrod Garlett is a low risk high reward player. Hes a former first round draftee, with good tools to play the game, and would absolutely look good in a side such as Hawthorn where everyone is much more polished and is experienced.
Who cares where he was drafted at. I can list countless first round picks that fail. His draft selection should be a minor factor in whether you select a guy that has been delisted by another struggling club. And If he would look so good at Hawthorn why did they and 16 other teams pass on him?
My point is these sorts of players take spots on a list and with such a low chance of working out why not retain players like Holman and Gowers instead of selecting hacks that 17 other clubs passed on with their very late picks.
Mullet was delisted by the team that won the spoon last year. Doesn't that tell us something.
Love to know how many goal Mullet and O'Shea concede from frees. Clueless, clumsy players that cost us with stupid rookie frees every week.
Who cares where he was drafted at. I can list countless first round picks that fail. His draft selection should be a minor factor in whether you select a guy that has been de-listed by another struggling club. And If he would look so good at Hawthorn why did they and 16 other teams pass on him?
I gather clubs were worried that he would pull the plug again if things got tough. He's a great sidekick player, we have a few too many who are happy to be the sidekick and not the front man. It's the old debate about having too many introverts not enough extroverts.
We made a huge mistake de-listing Robinson, his sins were trivial and we were bullied into it by the media and a has-been coach that hated him! We took the weak option, and it shows in the way we play all too frequently! But we've debated this frequently, back when the club publicly potted Yarran for belting Chapman who deserved it, back when the media gloss over Hunt stomping on Betts fingers, apparently we are supposed to just wear the bullying, kidney punches and elbows in the back of the head and turn the other cheek while listening to the rest of the AFL cry if we strike back!
We will look much better if Pickett returns, hopefully with some form and confidence he's the type we need.
Despite what people think of Weitering he'll grow into an aggressive defender, because he has that sad-sack appearance people think he's an introvert when in fact he is the very opposite. Kerr works hard naturally and won't be bullied, likewise Charlie. They all just need to realise they are the intimidating ones, at the moment they are men with child like minds. McKay needs to develop the work ethic, because he has a natural aggression. They are only just learning how brutal AFL is, and that you either have to be a dog or get eaten!
De Koning will be something special, given time to develop without being beaten down, he is a 200 gamer!
The ones I'm not confident in are Marchbank, SPS, Mullet, O'Shea and Garlett. The tell is they can be ferocious tacklers but they won't wear a tackle to draw in an opponent and by a team-mate space, instead they sell team-mates into trouble getting rid of the football like a hot potato to be bruise free ball users. They are the opposite of Fisher, that kid could go right past Cripps and Docherty to become the next captain.
I like Kennedy's work on the inside, but he needs to get his injuries sorted and find way s to make himself durable. He's never going to be an outside player without us adding some genuine place around him, see Pickett!
A huge problem BB has at the moment, is the action on the field does not match the talk.
I'm refusing to pay good money to see a backline of Plowman, O'Shea, Mullett. Honest VFL triers the lot of them. Putrid witches hats all year at AFL level. It was a shameful procession yesterday.
And why was Sav Rocca at the game yesterday ? Is Kerr another Casboult basket case ? :-[
Get this year over and retire Simpson and Murphy. Bring on the future players Schumaker and TDK. Bulk them up starting now. Bulk up Cunningham and Polson.
On recruiting, it might be worth a dip at Peter Wright...he is battling a calf injury so he might be cheap this year. Would certainly give us some flexibility until TDK developed.
Not this week, he'll get monstered and look rubbish resulting in a permanent call being made on that experiment unjustly.
We have to start looking after the kids as priority one, not throwing them in the deep end and seeing which ones drown!
If you want go down this survival of the fittest route, then you need to enact a very different draft strategy, you need to draft footballers not athletes. Guys like Kane Lambert and Mitch Robinson are the ones who thrive in adversity, we cut or ignore those guys.
I call rubbish to all that. Monstered? Abnsolute soft BS.
Clayton Oliver - listed at 187cm, 84kg. 20 years, 9 months (old). 44 games.
SOJ - listed at 191cm, 89kg. 20 years 5 months. 32 games.
So, who monsters whom?
Dow, well yes, needs a rest....
Who cares where he was drafted at. I can list countless first round picks that fail. His draft selection should be a minor factor in whether you select a guy that has been delisted by another struggling club. And If he would look so good at Hawthorn why did they and 16 other teams pass on him?
My point is these sorts of players take spots on a list and with such a low chance of working out why not retain players like Holman and Gowers instead of selecting hacks that 17 other clubs passed on with their very late picks.
Mullet was delisted by the team that won the spoon last year. Doesn't that tell us something.
Love to know how many goal Mullet and O'Shea concede from frees. Clueless, clumsy players that cost us with stupid rookie frees every week.
My point is, that I have already explained why.
Shawny, its important, because it shows he was talented in his draft crop. He was taken in amongst a bunch of blokes who cut us up on the weekend. Christian Petracca, Angus Brayshaw and Jake Lever. We spent pick 78 on him and needed outside run. Hes given us a bit of that, and last week played pretty well. This week, he wasnt the lone ranger in being poor.
Holman was a handy player, we delisted a few years ago, because at the time, I am guessing he wanted to leave. Its the only scenario that makes sense. meanwhile, Gold Coast have picked him up when he was delisted from a spoon side. What makes him different? Nothing. Its the same proposition. Hes working at the moment for Gold Coast, and ours arent quite working out as well, but ultimately have a look at the difference they make to their sides.
Gold Coast are sitting 15th and have won 3 games.
We are sitting last and have won 1.
Gowers and his mates arent far ahead of us either.
I call rubbish to all that. Monstered? Abnsolute soft BS.
Clayton Oliver - listed at 187cm, 84kg. 20 years, 9 months (old). 44 games.
SOJ - listed at 191cm, 89kg. 20 years 5 months. 32 games.
So, who monsters whom?
Dow, well yes, needs a rest....
Maybe Jack can play and relieve Cripps so he can rest up a bit before we stuff him completely...I wouldnt play Jack and Cripps together in the middle as we would be very slow but introduce Jack slowly and see how he goes. I'm not convinced he is a midfielder but given our circumstances happy to trial him over 4- 5 games and see how he goes.
I call rubbish to all that. Monstered? Abnsolute soft BS.
Clayton Oliver - listed at 187cm, 84kg. 20 years, 9 months (old). 44 games.
SOJ - listed at 191cm, 89kg. 20 years 5 months. 32 games.
So, who monsters whom?
Dow, well yes, needs a rest....
What's last week and Clayton Oliver got to do with Dangerfield, Selwood, Ablett and Blicavs this week?
SoJ should have played mid against Melbourne, but he'll be made look like a goose against Geelong!
SoJ could barely match it body on body with the Frankston mids two weeks back and they are school teachers and accountants, SoJ gets an A for effort but you have to be realistic and he is a dead-set beginner that you now want to go head to head with the best of the best in the land!
Not this week, he'll get monstered and look rubbish resulting in a permanent call being made on that experiment unjustly.
We have to start looking after the kids as priority one, not throwing them in the deep end and seeing which ones drown!
If you want go down this survival of the fittest route, then you need to enact a very different draft strategy, you need to draft footballers not athletes. Guys like Kane Lambert and Mitch Robinson are the ones who thrive in adversity, we cut or ignore those guys.
Or he could learn something mixing it with Dangerfield, Ablett and Selwood.
Maybe Jack can play and relieve Cripps so he can rest up a bit before we stuff him completely...I wouldnt play Jack and Cripps together in the middle as we would be very slow but introduce Jack slowly
and see how he goes. I'm not convinced he is a midfielder but given our circumstances happy to trial him over 4- 5 games and see how he goes.
Agree. Bring him in to give Cripps a spell or two each quarter? Jack will obviously need to develop his tank over time but I believe he has the physicality to perform this role and we need relief there urgently.
What's last week and Clayton Oliver got to do with Dangherfield, Selwood, Ablett and Blcsav?
The point is you don't hear Dees fans saying Oliver gets monstered and kept out of the guts.
And Selwood and Ablett are midgets next to Jack.
Both around 184cm, 84 kg.
Danger 189cm, 91kg. The tall fella - he's an aberration.
Tim Kelly - 183cm, 82kg.
Murdoch? 190cm, 87kg.
Your point?
The point is you don't hear Dees fans saying Oliver gets monstered and kept out of the guts.
And Selwood and Ablett are midgets next to Jack.
Both around 184cm, 84 kg.
Danger 189cm, 91kg. The tall fella - he's an aberration.
Tim Kelly - 183cm, 82kg.
Murdoch? 190cm, 87kg.
Your point?
You forget that our players get frees paid against them for contact, whilst the others can sit on our blokes and its play on.
melbournes two first goals yesterday were some of the softest "there" free kicks that I have ever seen.
The point is you don't hear Dees fans saying Oliver gets monstered and kept out of the guts.
And Selwood and Ablett are midgets next to Jack.
Both around 184cm, 84 kg.
Danger 189cm, 91kg. The tall fella - he's an aberration.
Tim Kelly - 183cm, 82kg.
Murdoch? 190cm, 87kg.
Your point?
Yeah right.
FFS, Oliver and those listed above are all career midfielders, SoJ has been doing it for about two weeks!
Nearly all of them excluding Selwood could probably lap SoJ on a sprint around the oval, the least talented of the lot is probably Murdoch and he won a GF sprint. SoJ could go head to head with Selwood until Selwood snapped him in half or lead him into harms way for his mate Dangerfield to clean up! SoJ might have aerobic capacity and fitness to go with Selwood, most draftees do, but they don't have the endurance required to deal with collision after collision which drains the beginners rapidly.
I might not be a SoJ super-booster, I can't even say he's a favourite, but I'm at least prepared to give the kid a realistic opportunity and not deep fry him so early in his career. If he wants to be a mid, if they think he can be a mid, then give him some time to learn the craft! There are plenty of much better mids than him at VFL level without needing to put him to the stake on the big screen!
Well perhaps it's time to give Jack a go in the guts....
Jack is 1000 miles away from being a big bodied midfielder, or a midfielder at all for that matter. He'd be on a hiding to nothing. Give him time to develop those skills if that's the direction we want him to go. Throw Kerridge and or Graham in the middle for the time being as a temporary and let Jack learn his craft. He'd get smashed this week, we'd all call it and him a failure and we'd be back to square one. We are not in any great hurry in 2018, so let's employ some 'strategic development' that has an eye on 2019 / 2020.
SoJ gets an A for effort but you have to be realistic and he is a dead-set beginner that you now want to go head to head with the best of the best in the land!
It's his third season, we need to ditch the mindset that players are babies until their mid 20's.
He'll learn more in one game playing against the Geelong midfield than he will in an entire season in the VFL.
It's his third season, we need to ditch the mindset that players are babies until their mid 20's.
He'll learn more in one game playing against the Geelong midfield than he will in an entire season in the VFL.
I'd assert that as a mid he's more likely to have game or season ending collision with Cripps than learn much at all! ;)
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I'm also keen to be realistic.
If we want a big body with some midfield experience in the center, get captain chaos Liam Jones out of defense and have him do a midfield rotation against Blicavs. At least that'll give Cripps a chop out and Selwood and others will be wary of his physical presence! They won't just be able to spend the day having Blicavs slam Cripps and run off him at every opportunity!
Jack is 1000 miles away from being a big bodied midfielder, or a midfielder at all for that matter. He'd be on a hiding to nothing. Give him time to develop those skills if that's the direction we want him to go. Throw Kerridge and or Graham in the middle for the time being as a temporary and let Jack learn his craft. He'd get smashed this week, we'd all call it and him a failure and we'd be back to square one. We are not in any great hurry in 2018, so let's employ some 'strategic development' that has an eye on 2019 / 2020.
The very thin (in terms of batting depth) and undersized Bombers' midfield just took apart from the much vaunted Cats' midfield....
No reason our boys can't too - with the right attitude!
Mollycoddling SOJ won't serve any useful purpose. He plays like a bloke who wants to be in the thick of it and this is a time when we can experiment a little and blood blokes into different positions.
If we stick him in the middle and he gets made to look average I don't want to hear folks saying it was a dumb idea....and giving up on it.
Jack as a midfielder is an experiment in it's infancy.
I'd rather see it worked out in the VFL or selected games at senior level over the next twelve months.
The Geelong midfield was poor on the weekend...I doubt they'll be poor again...and that doesn't bode well for us.
If we do try it...do it in short bursts and rather than replacing Cripps at those times keep Cripps in there for a bit of guidance and direction.
Just on SEN and Andy Maher talking about SOS to the midfield. He reckons it's an option definitely being looked at by the club - no mention as to whether he may come in this week but early signs are encouraging. Not sure how he went in this week's NBs.
I'd assert that as a mid he's more likely to have game or season ending collision with Cripps than learn much at all! ;)
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I'm also keen to be realistic.
If we want a big body with some midfield experience in the center, get captain chaos Liam Jones out of defense and have him do a midfield rotation against Blicavs. At least that'll give Cripps a chop out and Selwood and others will be wary of his physical presence! They won't just be able to spend the day having Blicavs slam Cripps and run off him at every opportunity!
Lest we forget....scroll down to his 2015 draft review:
Silvagni’s name was pushed into the spotlight when he kicked six goals for Vic Metro against Western Australia in the under 18 championships this year. Silvagni converted his shots well inside 50 due to his great set shot technique, kicking 6.1 on the day, helping Vic Metro to a comfortable 74-point win.
Silvagni is considered a utility with his ability to play at both ends of the ground. He reads the play well, giving him the ability to position himself better when playing in defence, a role he has played on occasions this year. He also marks the ball well overhead, averaging 4.2 marks at the TAC Cup and 3.4 marks at the under 18 championships. At his school Xavier College, Silvagni has also played on-ball, showing his versatility to move around the ground in multiple positions.
https://www.afldraftcentral.com.au/tag/jack-silvagni/
The Geelong midfield was poor on the weekend...I doubt they'll be poor again...and that doesn't bode well for us.
Yes it hard to believe, people want us to put SoJ in the midfield for a trial against Geelong, in Geelong, the week after Geelong were unexpectedly smashed by an otherwise rubbish CheatsFC.
It reeks of desperation.
Are we or aren't we committed to the long game, this is a real test for our club?
Personally, the guys I'd be putting in the midfield are Kerridge, Graham, Jones, Plowman, O'Shea(Has played mid at VFL also) and making the inference their long future depends heavily on the outcome! I don't want us judging the kids by what happens against Geelong at Geelong!
If we stick him in the middle and he gets made to look average I don't want to hear folks saying it was a dumb idea....and giving up on it.
Jack as a midfielder is an experiment in it's infancy.
I'd rather see it worked out in the VFL or selected games at senior level over the next twelve months.
The Geelong midfield was poor on the weekend...I doubt they'll be poor again...and that doesn't bode well for us.
If we do try it...do it in short bursts and rather than replacing Cripps at those times keep Cripps in there for a bit of guidance and direction.
Cripps, Ed, Jack, Graham....thats as slow as treacle....and about as poor a kicking midfield going around....
Play Silvagni down back if we must, anyone but O'Shea.
Lest we forget....scroll down to his 2015 draft review:
https://www.afldraftcentral.com.au/tag/jack-silvagni/
He also played CHF and CHB.
Jacob Weitering kicked almost 100 goals in Unders one season, most of them out of CHB, doesn't make him an AFL KPF.
Cripps, Ed, Jack, Graham....thats as slow as treacle....and about as poor a kicking midfield going around....
He can't get a game because he's not the greatest kick and some of our other players are even worse.
We really are in trouble.
He can't get a game because he's not the greatest kick and some of our other players are even worse.
We really are in trouble.
It's reality B4L, if I recall we talked about it as much in the Frankston Post game thread, the kid is not ready by a long way and people are desperate so they dribble sh1t as a solution!
For now, SoJ isn't the solution but that is not necessarily forever!
We need to put some heat on the older heads who are extending their careers at the expense of the youth, guys like Graham, Kerridge, Plowman, O'Shea, Mullett and we need to take some heat off the kids or we'll overcook them! Those four or five should be 4-Qtr midfield capable, they are not kids or newbies to AFL.
Another thing, in addition to the kicking and spread, as good as SoJ has been in the contest in the midfield at VFL level he goes to ground a lot, you can't do that at AFL level.
I want to revert to the Lions game at the weekend, every stoppage, every contest they did the right things, the sacrificial things. Shepherds, blocks, smoothers, 1%ers. We are almost amateurs in this regard!
The likes of Kerridge, Mullet and O'Shea simply aren't good enough and never will be, they had ample chance to prove themselves before they even came to Carlton.
There's nothing to gain from persevering with them.
The likes of Kerridge, Mullet and O'Shea simply aren't good enough and never will be, they had ample chance to prove themselves before they even came to Carlton.
There's nothing to gain from persevering with them.
Except buying some time for kids to develop naturally, instead of burning the kids on the alter!
I know I bang on, but I fear fans just do not give enough credence to the mental damage that can be done to the kids long term by flogging them while they lack the strength and skills to overcome the adversity. It's too easy to say they must learn, but you just churn out a playing list full of Pavlov's Dogs if things go the wrong way! The little wins will be drowned out by the many losses, they'll be lost to Carlton and they will then leave and progress at some other club, the fresh start they need to remove the mental barriers.
Except buying some time for kids to develop naturally, instead of burning the kids on the alter!
I know I bang on, but I fear fans just do not give enough credence to the mental damage that can be done to the kids long term by flogging them while they lack the strength and skills to overcome the adversity. It's too easy to say they must learn, but you just churn out a playing list full of Pavlov's Dogs if things go the wrong way! The little wins will be drowned out by the many losses, they'll be lost to Carlton and they will then leave and progress at some other club, the fresh start they need to remove the mental barriers.
I hear what you say, but surrounding them with hacks only teaches them bad habits and that mediocrity is acceptable, and if you're getting beaten by 109 points anyway I don't see the point of using c graders as cannon fodder.
I hear what you say, but surrounding them with hacks only teaches them bad habits and that mediocrity is acceptable, and if you're getting beaten by 109 points anyway I don't see the point of using c graders as cannon fodder.
I wouldn't surround them with the hacks.
I'd have the kids take a spell at VFL level and see if they can apply what they have been learning to get a few victories under their belt and build some confidence. Prove that what they are learning works and it's not all just a mirage, give them a chance to work through the problems without the scrutiny!
BB made a commitment at the start of th season, he sort of said kids won't be in and out of the side, that they would get a fair run. And he's done that, many of them have had a fair crack so far, they need a spell to collect their thoughts!
I think it's too easy for fans to think players have to be like Cripps, or even Fisher, they are not normal. I suspect Cripps would succeed in spite of our very best attempts to break him, Fisher is just a breath of fresh air. But honestly they are the 1 in a million types, most players are not like that!
It's time for the old blokes to do some hard labour, to deliver something. Against Geelong is as good an opportunity as any to find out who you keep and who you don't!
Actually I suspect we are talking about much the same thing, but from a different perspective.
Lambert was under our noses at the NB and we let him go. O'shea is probably on our list because it was feared he may be another Lambert. We were wrong.
Lambert was under our noses at the NB and we let him go. O'shea is probably on our list because it was feared he may be another Lambert. We were wrong.
We lost Docherty so the powers at be hedged their bets on Mullett and OShea...one cant contest and the other cant kick and both lack nous.....been a lose, lose, lose situation.....
OShea looked good in the NB's because he is a decent size and had way more time to kick the footy, played for the VFL state team and he looked good in most games...but his decision making and kicking which got him the boot from Port have come back to haunt him at senior footy where there is more pressure.
Lambert is a footballers footballer, contests well, does all the basics well but never had any standout weapons ie elite pace, marking, kicking etc and is just stock standard size....hence I think he was overlooked but his nous and decision making improved with Richmond and he made the grade and good on him....his running mate Adam Marcon who some saw as a better player didnt....
Lambert was under our noses at the NB and we let him go. O'shea is probably on our list because it was feared he may be another Lambert. We were wrong.
O'Shea isn't getting the same lose man role at AFL level, at VFL he was doing the intercept marking stuff that should be a backup for Marchbank or Weitering.
In my opinion, none of this will sort itself out until we have Jones out of D50, either in F50 or on the ball and guys like Williamson and Macreadie in. 3 years from now things will look very different as long as we don't break what we've got!
O'Shea isn't getting the same lose man role at AFL level, at VFL he was doing the intercept marking stuff that should be a backup for Marchbank or Weitering.
In my opinion, none of this will sort itself out until we have Jones out of D50, either in F50 or on the ball and guys like Williamson and Macreadie in. 3 years from now things will look very different as long as we don't break what we've got!
OShea's problem is when he does take an intercept mark the ball usually goes straight back to the opposition.......
Agree on Jones...I'd run him around the ground like Geelong do with Blicavs as that old fashioned follower where he can take a few ruck contests, drop back take some marks but also drift forward.
Williamson has been a massive loss on top of Docherty...cool heads both of them and they use the ball well.....Jones, Mullet and OShea is like having three chooks with no heads running around on the ground....
OShea's problem is when he does take an intercept mark the ball usually goes straight back to the opposition.......
Agree on Jones...I'd run him around the ground like Geelong do with Blicavs as that old fashioned follower where he can take a few ruck contests, drop back take some marks but also drift forward.
Williamson has been a massive loss on top of Docherty...cool heads both of them and they use the ball well.....Jones, Mullet and OShea is like having three chooks with no heads running around on the ground....
Yeah when it comes to contests O'Shea plays more like a small, in my opinion there is no spot for him as well as Marchbank, Byrne and Plowman. We need some of the 190cm types playing like 190cm types, not like back pockets. FWIW, I think Williamson and Macreadie are likely to go right past them all eventually, which is why I'd like to see Marchbank on a wing.
I'll cut Plowman some slack because I'll be stuffed if he's physically right to go, he's lost most of his power and run, he is completely devoid of confidence and not hitting the contest like we know he can.
Carlton, we navigate modern football with a map made by Cortes!
Somebody said Williamson had 17 disposals in a half, we can't rush him back, but as fans we can't wait for him either!
We lost Docherty so the powers at be hedged their bets on Mullett and OShea...one cant contest and the other cant kick and both lack nous.....been a lose, lose, lose situation.....
In fairness EB, I'm tipping the powers that be didn't bank on having to deploy both of them at the same time as cover for injured players.
In fairness EB, I'm tipping the powers that be didn't bank on having to deploy both of them at the same time as cover for injured players.
I agree GTC...OShea has probably replaced Marchbank and Mullet has done same for Docherty.....
Weitering being out of form/confidence hasnt helped either......you add Byrne out and there are not many alternatives...
I agree GTC...OShea has probably replaced Marchbank and Mullet has done same for Docherty.....
Weitering being out of form/confidence hasnt helped either......you add Byrne out and there are not many alternatives...
Sorry mate, Byrne is another I dont rate. That experiment is over I reckon.
Sorry mate, Byrne is another I dont rate. That experiment is over I reckon.
Hes got pace and a good kick of the footy.
Theres a common theme emerging though.
The loss of Docherty has turned our entire defense, from chocolates to boiled lollies and I wonder what impact him being back in the side will do to it.
Sorry mate, Byrne is another I dont rate. That experiment is over I reckon.
Tend to agree...just cant stay on the park either...
Tend to agree...just cant stay on the park either...
Gets caught too much, zero awareness.
Gets caught too much, zero awareness.
Tend to agree, about Byrne.
But sometimes getting pegged is the result of team-mates not doing the right thing, not presenting or not blocking, not that would be us! ::)
We don't have any show runners do we, I thought that game style went out with Bartlett?
I rate Byrne, I reckon that with another 20 or 30 games under his belt he'll be a beauty.
Pace, balance, skill and he's fearless, if he can only get fit and stay fit.
Unfortunately that seems to be a problem.
I rate Byrne, I reckon that with another 20 or 30 games under his belt he'll be a beauty.
Pace, balance, skill and he's fearless, if he could only get fit and stay fit.
That's the key...if he could find some consistency of game time he could be very good.
With Docherty gone he would probably have had some additional responsibilities this season...but if he cant stay on the park he's not much use to us.
That's the key...if he could find some consistency of game time he could be very good.
With Docherty gone he would probably have had some additional responsibilities this season...but if he cant stay on the park he's not much use to us.
Wait and see Lods, but we signed him for another two years when he was out with his knee reco so someone at the club sees something in him.
He's one out of the box if you ask me, but I thought that Yarran was also and that didn't end well.
Kerr and McKay
If they stay in...we have to work this smarter.
They can't be flying together.
Kerr is probably a more traditional full forward...let him start in the square and provide multiple leads.
He seemed to be well up the ground at times on the weekend.
Let McKay station himself around 40-50 out as our main target.
Give Charlie a roving commission and we could have a hard to match up on forward line.
I rate Byrne, I reckon that with another 20 or 30 games under his belt he'll be a beauty.
Pace, balance, skill and he's fearless, if he can only get fit and stay fit.
Unfortunately that seems to be a problem.
I rated Sheehan more, his body was unfortunately made of balsa wood held together with paper ribbon,
Kerr and McKay
If they stay in...we have to work this smarter.
They can't be flying together.
Kerr is probably a more traditional full forward...let him start in the square and provide multiple leads.
He seemed to be well up the ground at times on the weekend.
Let McKay station himself around 40-50 out as our main target.
Give Charlie a roving commission and we could have a hard to match up on forward line.
x2...Not many teams have three taller defenders, Kerr needs to be persisted with.....Curnow, Mckay and Kerr might be the edge we need if we can get a decent midfield together.....
I rated Sheehan more, his body was unfortunately made of balsa wood held together with paper ribbon,
Yeah, Gussie had a lot of ability but soft tissue injuries cruelled him, Byrne is a better kick than he was.
It's odd that Irishmen who never kicked an oval ball as kids can master the art but some players who have grown up playing Aussie Rules can't, Tuohy is a beautiful kick as well.
I think that Silvagni should play, he doesn't get big numbers but he brings something intangible and I think that the team looks better with him in it.
Weitering is a must, if I never see O'Shea in a Carlton jumper again I'll be happy.
Cunningham for Mullet, Polson too at a pinch for either of Kerridge, Lamb or Garlett.
I'd drop Rowe, I think he's done.
Really! I gave Rowe votes. He took a huge ego named Hogan to the cleaners, as he has every time they have played. He isn't getting a lot of ball yet, but he is doing a job really well.
I think it will be next year before he gets back to 100%, but since he has come in our defence has looked a quantum leap better. His work with Jones, and probably his mentoring, has been excellent.
I would not drop Kerridge either. he also did a job. Garlett, on the other hand, needs to show a lot more. His good is really good, but he is just not intense enough.
I rate Byrne, I reckon that with another 20 or 30 games under his belt he'll be a beauty.
Pace, balance, skill and he's fearless, if he can only get fit and stay fit.
Unfortunately that seems to be a problem.
I agree. He has a LOT going for him. He needs to work on his game awareness, as he can get carried away.
It is the injuries that have ruined him so far. Same for Gussy Sheehan. Both had a lot more athleticism than Zac Tuohy, it is just that Tuohy rarely gets injured. The others are basically made out of inferior materials.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-22/blues-skipper-in-doubt-for-cats-clash-possibly-longer
Murph in doubt again.
Our injury management has been amateurish at best this year. Kennedy, Marchbank, Murphy. Need to upgrade and get into tne 21st century
Our injury management has been amateurish at best this year. Kennedy, Marchbank, Murphy. Need to upgrade and get into tne 21st century
Well it's not the kit, we have some of the latest gear available and are supposed to be an AFL leader in medical technology.
Well it's not the kit, we have some of the latest gear available and are supposed to be an AFL leader in medical technology.
You beat me to it, was going to post the exact same thing.
If it happens once it's an outlier, if it happens twice it's happenstance, for it to happen for a third time is mismanagement.
How is it possible that we get blokes back in from injury for one stinking match only for them to miss another week again?
It's crap.
The footy Gods have really left us out to rot :(
Wasn't Murph out for a number of games last season?
And for a number of games the season before?
And for a number of games... :o
How is it possible that we get blokes back in from injury for one stinking match only for them to miss another week again?
It's crap.
This happens because we are a struggling side that cannot easily cover the loss of one or two players. It's not just the MC that want players back, the players themselves feel an obligation to team-mates and push themselves for early return. I heard Liddle saying on radio the other week that Doc wants back early and the club said no, but the player himself says he's right to go into full on training.
As much as we talk about technologies, Doctors are still heavily reliant of patient feedback, when things start to clear up it can be very difficult to tell if a player is right or just very convincing at arguing his case. The Biolab at our ground is one of the things researchers can use to tune players, but once you have a baseline you can also use it to measure if they are OK. It's better than average, but it's not like in engineering, where you can test something to destruction!
We must be doing something right, opposition clubs pay to use our facilities. We make them available, and rightly so, player welfare goes beyond team loyalty. Please tell that to Mr Dangerfield! He'll be one of the first up here using our facilities if he gets a serious injury, he should think about that before he pots the Curnows again!
This happens because we are a struggling side that cannot easily cover the loss of one or two players. It's not just the MC that want players back, the players themselves feel an obligation to team-mates and push themselves for early return. I heard Liddle saying on radio the other week that Doc wants back early and the club said no, but the player himself says he's right to go into full on training.
As much as we talk about technologies, Doctors are still heavily reliant of patient feedback, when things start to clear up it can be very difficult to tell if a player is right or just very convincing at arguing his case. The Biolab at our ground is one of the things researchers can use to tune players, but once you have a baseline you can also use it to measure if they are OK. It's better than average, but it's not like in engineering, where you can test something to destruction!
We must be doing something right, opposition clubs pay to use our facilities. We make them available, and rightly so, player welfare goes beyond team loyalty. Please tell that to Mr Dangerfield! He'll be one of the first up here using our facilities if he gets a serious injury, he should think about that before he pots the Curnows again!
Likewise a patient needs to be protected from themselves and perhaps we should bring blokes back via the VFL where we can see whether or not they're ok.
If they won't do that, then that's a tell on how they're really feeling.
Likewise a patient needs to be protected from themselves and perhaps we should bring blokes back via the VFL where we can see whether or not they're ok.
If they won't do that, then that's a tell on how they're really feeling.
Not matter what doubts you had, you would never bring Winx back from a spell by running her at Towong!
Not matter what doubts you had, you would never bring Winx back from a spell by running her at Towong!
No, you stick her in the midfield to block for Cripps ;D
Interesting stat in the paper today from Champion Data, the best centre bounce combo this year, re: clearance percentage, has been Cripps, E. Curnow and Dow.
2nd worst were Dangerfield, Ablett and Selwood.
Interesting stat in the paper today, the best centre bounce combo this year, re: clearance percentage, has been Cripps, E. Curnow and Dow.
2nd worst were Dangerfield, Ablett and Selwood.
Really ? So some parts of our team are functioning well ? Shame about the rest.............
Thoughts (to get the discussion started!)
Plowman Jones Rowe
Simpson Weitering Cunningham
Fisher Cripps O'Brien
Lang McKay Wright
SPS C Curnow Kerr
Kruezer
E Curnow
Dow
Kerridge, Thomas, Silvagni, Graham.
Out: Murphy (inj), Garlett, Mullet, O'Shea, Lamb
In Weitering, Curnow x 2, Silvagni, Cunningham
SLOW!!
Our injury management has been amateurish at best this year. Kennedy, Marchbank, Murphy. Need to upgrade and get into tne 21st century
Probably add Kreuzer to that list.
Its a bit of a snowball effect with that kinda thing.
Players carry injuries all the time, sometimes they need a rest. If there is no injuries, they can get that rest. If there are a lot of injuries, maybe they dont get that rest....so they get injured further. etc.
Thoughts (to get the discussion started!)
Plowman Jones Rowe
Simpson Weitering Cunningham
Fisher Cripps O'Brien
Lang McKay Wright
SPS C Curnow Kerr
Kruezer
E Curnow
Dow
Kerridge, Thomas, Silvagni, Graham.
Out: Murphy (inj), Garlett, Mullet, O'Shea, Lamb
In Weitering, Curnow x 2, Silvagni, Cunningham
Like it TC, but 5 changes wont happen. If they do, Ill be stunned...but happy. The sooner we get Garlett, Mullet, O'Shea out of the side the better.
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 23. Jacob Weitering 20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs 39. Dale Thomas 17. Sam Rowe 28. David Cuningham
Centreline 4. Lochie O'Brien 35. Ed Curnow 16. Darcy Lang
Half-forwards 13. Jed Lamb 30. Charlie Curnow 25. Zac Fisher
Forwards 2. Paddy Dow 10. Harry McKay 46. Matthew Wright
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 9. Patrick Cripps 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton
Interchange 14. Liam Jones 24. Cameron O'Shea 11. Sam Kerridge
36. Pat Kerr
Emergencies 18. Aaron Mullett 32. Nick Graham 34. Andrew Phillips
29. Cameron Polson
In: E. Curnow, C. Curnow, Weitering, Cuningham
Out: Murphy (foot), Graham (omitted), Mullett (omitted), Garlett (omitted)
Milestone: Lachie Plowman (50th game for Carlton)
4 out of 5 ain't bad!!!!
how does O'Shea keep getting a game?
Seems our defence will be tall again.
Great Ins Great Outs :D
Disappointed about Garlett, he has been far from flash but is exactly the type of player that could turn a game. if he irons out his defensive deficiencies I think he could be something really nice for us.
How does he compare to Pickett ? same role or different?
how does O'Shea keep getting a game?
No idea.
Wouldn't be surprised if Charlie's quad keeps him out for another game.
Thought Graham might have been a bit unlucky... but he might still play if Charlie doesn't come up.
Jones named on the interchange....is that just a subtle message to him.
Cunningham off half-back could be a good move if he lines up there...
I actually don't see that defence as too tall.
Wouldn't be surprised if Charlie's quad keeps him out for another game.
Thought Graham might have been a bit unlucky... but he might still play if Charlie doesn't come up.
Jones named on the interchange....is that just a subtle message to him.
Cunningham off half-back could be a good move if he lines up there...
I actually don't see that defence as too tall.
Will be when Jones and O'Shea go back there.
Wouldn't be surprised if Charlie's quad keeps him out for another game.
Thought Graham might have been a bit unlucky... but he might still play if Charlie doesn't come up.
Jones named on the interchange....is that just a subtle message to him.
Cunningham off half-back could be a good move if he lines up there...
I actually don't see that defence as too tall.
Except Cunningham isn’t a defender ....
Wouldn't be surprised if Charlie's quad keeps him out for another game.
Thought Graham might have been a bit unlucky... but he might still play if Charlie doesn't come up.
Jones named on the interchange....is that just a subtle message to him.
Cunningham off half-back could be a good move if he lines up there...
I actually don't see that defence as too tall.
I think it reflects Graham's place as a fill-in in the pecking order Lods, unfortunately for him. Looking forward to seeing how Cunningham goes again this time.
Wouldn't be surprised if Charlie's quad keeps him out for another game.
Thought Graham might have been a bit unlucky... but he might still play if Charlie doesn't come up.
Jones named on the interchange....is that just a subtle message to him.
Cunningham off half-back could be a good move if he lines up there...
I actually don't see that defence as too tall.
Half our interchange bench might change your opinion.
Just throwing it out there, Jones to be used as 2nd ruck.
how does O'Shea keep getting a game?
Seems our defence will be tall again.
Agree on OShea, while he stuffs up with the ball is he stopping his man? or maybe just a coaches favourite?, I know the players love him and he trains very hard maybe thats why he survives.....with Mullett out I reckon OShea must be next in line for the chop....
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 23. Jacob Weitering 20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs 39. Dale Thomas 17. Sam Rowe 28. David Cuningham
Centreline 4. Lochie O'Brien 35. Ed Curnow 16. Darcy Lang
Half-forwards 13. Jed Lamb 30. Charlie Curnow 25. Zac Fisher
Forwards 2. Paddy Dow 10. Harry McKay 46. Matthew Wright
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 9. Patrick Cripps 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton
Interchange 14. Liam Jones 24. Cameron O'Shea 11. Sam Kerridge
36. Pat Kerr
Emergencies 18. Aaron Mullett 32. Nick Graham 34. Andrew Phillips
29. Cameron Polson
In: E. Curnow, C. Curnow, Weitering, Cuningham
Out: Murphy (foot), Graham (omitted), Mullett (omitted), Garlett (omitted)
Milestone: Lachie Plowman (50th game for Carlton)
4 out of 5 ain't bad!!!!
How did Nick Graham get dropped after his game last week? I don't understand that one.
The muck-up with Murphy is really irritating. From my own experiences doing what he did was a waste of time. He needed an op: get it over and done with instead of wasting to those weeks for nothing. Now he will be out for longer.
Not including another ruckman is nothing but insane. For the last two weeks Kreuzer has been obliterated in the taps. His own will and ability to get the ball got him (and the team) over the line against Essendon (and Essendon's very ordinary midfield). Last week we had no other option to control Gawn, who killed us. Did we learn from it? Not a bit!
If Casboult was there, he could do some ruckwork. But he isn't there and H is not ready for it.
Geelong's rucks have been ordinary, but we are setting ourselves up for disaster.
Maybe it is a good thing that I couldn't get a ticket and that it isn't on TV.
GEELONG CATS
B Tom Stewart, Harry Taylor, Jack Henry
HB Zach Tuohy, Jake Kolodjashnij, Jed Bews
C Mark Blicavs, Joel Selwood, Jordan Cunico
HF Jordan Murdoch, Esava Ratugolea, Gary Ablett
F Cory Gregson, Tom Hawkins, Stewart Crameri
FOL Rhys Stanley, Patrick Dangerfield, Tim Kelly
I/C Mitch Duncan, Jamaine Jones, Sam Menegola, Brandan Parfitt
EMG Ryan Abbott, Aaron Black, George Horlin-Smith, Jackson Thurlow
In
Esava Ratugolea, Rhys Stanley, Jamaine Jones, Brandan Parfitt
Out
James Parsons (Omitted), Zac Smith (Omitted), George Horlin-Smith (Omitted), Jackson Thurlow (Omitted)
Does that seem like they are taking us lightly? Or simply an overreaction to the bombers loss??
I'm happy with those changes.
Except Cunningham isn’t a defender ....
Not if we play man on man... but if we dont.
He'll be there to generate attack out of defence.
Half our interchange bench might change your opinion.
Just throwing it out there, Jones to be used as 2nd ruck.
I hope...and have been advocating to see Jones in the ruck.
It's where he alternates that will be interesting.
Will be when Jones and O'Shea go back there.
It will be if Jones plays back.
The fact that he's been named on the interchange means one of three things.
-It's a smokey and he'll start in defence.
-He'll ruck and follow for a fair bit of the game...give him a roving commision
-It's a message too him that he needs to tighten up or he'll be playing VFL
How does Cam O'crap keep getting a game!?!?
How does Cam O'crap keep getting a game!?!?
He is obviously to Bolts what Marcus Davies and Aaron Joseph were to Ratts.
Coaches pet.
How did Nick Graham get dropped after his game last week? I don't understand that one.
Incomprehensible - one of the few who really put in last week - Graham got votes from all but one who bothered to post votes for the Jim Park medal in the pathetic team performance against Melbourne.
Not been a huge Graham fan, but think he was hard done by here , maybe really showing where sits in the pecking order. Not many times a player has 28 touches and is dumped, especially when another mid as in Murphy is out injured as well? Either play him or more him on
In
Esava Ratugolea, Rhys Stanley, Jamaine Jones, Brandan Parfitt
Out
James Parsons (Omitted), Zac Smith (Omitted), George Horlin-Smith (Omitted), Jackson Thurlow (Omitted)
Does that seem like they are taking us lightly? Or simply an overreaction to the bombers loss??
I'm happy with those changes.
They could have omitted the Father, Son and Holy Ghost and still win, but maybe that looks a little obvious.
Incomprehensible - one of the few who really put in last week - Graham got votes from all but one who bothered to post votes for the Jim Park medal in the pathetic team performance against Melbourne.
Well he must either be injured, was unaccountable or failed to follow team rules.
We've seen this and wonder why it keeps happening for a long time, several coaches worth of the same result for Graham, there has to be a reason for it!
I think to get the answer we may need to start watching his direct opponents more!
PS: His DE% was only 57%, that might be the real cause, ;) something I had forgotten about his game! I recall him missing targets last season by 15m when he was only kicking from 30m under no pressure!
Incomprehensible - one of the few who really put in last week - Graham got votes from all but one who bothered to post votes for the Jim Park medal in the pathetic team performance against Melbourne.
Tanking!
Tanking!
Well the idea that we are having the sh1te year that we had to have has certainly been firmly established so the opportunity for increasing our draft picks currency has certainly been created. :)
Not if we play man on man... but if we dont.
He'll be there to generate attack out of defence.
I hope...and have been advocating to see Jones in the ruck.
It's where he alternates that will be interesting.
It will be if Jones plays back.
The fact that he's been named on the interchange means one of three things.
-It's a smokey and he'll start in defence.
-He'll ruck and follow for a fair bit of the game...give him a roving commision
-It's a message too him that he needs to tighten up or he'll be playing VFL
I think most MC's make up the actual team structure as they going along on Thursday nights once they have their 22.
Incomprehensible - one of the few who really put in last week - Graham got votes from all but one who bothered to post votes for the Jim Park medal in the pathetic team performance against Melbourne.
Sends a bad message to players too - good form doesn't get rewarded!
How the f... does O'Shea stay in? Laughable.
Sends a bad message to players too - good form doesn't get rewarded!
How the f... does O'Shea stay in? Laughable.
Maybe, he just didn't do what he was asked to do? Yes, he got the ball, but did he run back hard enough defensively? Was he supposed to negate a certain player's influence and didn't? Unless you're in the inner sanctum, we an only guess.
Maybe, he just didn't do what he was asked to do? Yes, he got the ball, but did he run back hard enough defensively? Was he supposed to negate a certain player's influence and didn't? Unless you're in the inner sanctum, we an only guess.
O'Shea and Mullet both lack physicality, he may be tried on a smaller HFF this week that will allow him to run and intercept.
O'Shea and Mullet both lack physicality, he may be tried on a smaller HFF this week that will allow him to run and intercept.
OShea might follow coaches orders well and what hasnt been discussed about him is his defensive work, has he been stopping his man and
thats why he has been retained? I have been on his case about his kicking especially as he is a turn over merchant but Bolton must be liking something about his game that we all cant see.
Mullet obviously didnt follow instruction and has been dropped or didnt contest well enough......
Dont undertand why Grahan got dropped, was one of our better players and worked harder than I have seen him as well.....selection remains a mystery at the CFC... :o
another player who gets a game every week and never scrutinised is plowman,what does he do to deserve a game.
In the unlikely event we get it forward our height might stretch their shortish defence.
The cats have taken us lightly though in one area.... Stanley is a deadset spud and Kreuzer will murder him if he rucks.
Cats midfield looks awesome c. F. ours but we have a far better balanced side (on paper) this week.
In the unlikely event we get it forward our height might stretch their shortish defence.
The cats have taken us lightly though in one area.... Stanley is a deadset spud and Kreuzer will murder him if he rucks.
Cats midfield looks awesome c. F. ours but we have a far better balanced side (on paper) this week.
Watched a bit of Stewart and Henry from Geelong and was impressed...Stewart is a Scarlett clone and Henry is a very solid player....
I think we will have trouble with the Cats 2nd tier players like Duncan, Menegola, Blicavs etc, we dont have the depth to handle them as well as containing the trinity.
Kruezer should dominate Stanley in the ruck but I expect Stanley to trouble us up forward...seen him play on Weitering and our man couldnt go with him.
Ratugolea is a bit of a freaky type of player, no ruck nous but can take a big grab and a real athlete....
Kruezer should dominate Stanley in the ruck but I expect Stanley to trouble us up forward...seen him play on Weitering and our man couldnt go with him.
Weitering has only played against Geelong twice, and only once against Geelong with Stanley, in a game we won scoring more than 100 pts. Weitering was injured in the 1st Qtr and played out the game strapped up, Stanley only scored 1 goal!
In the other game Hawkins tore Jones a new one, that was the game Dangerfield slung Kreuzer and got banned! Maybe that is why he potted the Curnow's in return? :o
Looking at the team I won't be surprised to find this is the week we see Jones get a run in the ruck.
Should be fine and dry Saturday night, expect Dangerfield to tunnel a few talls and be given a free kick for obstruction of whatever rule benefits him! ;)
I'd run Lamb on Ablett to keep Geelong distracted.
Touhy is another one we can exploit, looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane and craps himself if he gets caught one out against a marking player. Very loose as well.
Harry T. needs manning up or he'll take 15 intercept marks. Our Harry can go with him, run him around and blow him up, he can't be match fit.
Hawkins either kicks six or doesn't front up. Starve him and he won't be a factor.
Like you EB, I'm worried about the second tier players
such Duncan, Menegola, Parfitt etc. Too big, strong and fast for our blokes.
Ed can take down the ducker, the one in the best form of the three. Beat him and we're half way there. Run Kerridge against Danger and whomever on Ablett (Cunners or Daisy?)
Make them reactive and tag Cripper. If we win enough clearances, starve them and make them respond to us for once. If the other Selwood plays on Cripper everyone must help him out.
Would have played Graham myself. Kind of game he could be useful in.
PS: His DE% was only 57%, that might be the real cause, ;) something I had forgotten about his game! I recall him missing targets last season by 15m when he was only kicking from 30m under no pressure!
He hit up Lamb on the lead very nicely but earlier on he sent a long ball in which gave McKay no chance and was an uncontested Melbourne mark.
He was a bit stiff to be dropped this time but overall he's a very limited footballer.
There aren't too many top midfielders taken at pick 50 odd.
Touhy is another one we can exploit, looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane and craps himself if he gets caught one out against a marking player. Very loose as well.
Harry T. needs manning up or he'll take 15 intercept marks. Our Harry can go with him, run him around and blow him up, he can't be match fit.
Hawkins either kicks six or doesn't front up. Starve him and he won't be a factor.
Like you EB, I'm worried about the second tier players
such Duncan, Menegola, Parfitt etc. Too big, strong and fast for our blokes.
Ed can take down the ducker, the one in the best form of the three. Beat him and we're half way there. Run Kerridge against Danger and whomever on Ablett (Cunners or Daisy?)
Make them reactive and tag Cripper. If we win enough clearances, starve them and make them respond to us for once. If the other Selwood plays on Cripper everyone must help him out.
Would have played Graham myself. Kind of game he could be useful in.
Harry T is said to be doubtfull.
He hit up Lamb on the lead very nicely but earlier on he sent a long ball in which gave McKay no chance and was an uncontested Melbourne mark.
He was a bit stiff to be dropped this time but overall he's a very limited footballer.
There aren't too many top midfielders taken at pick 50 odd.
Yes, at pick 52 we did ok to get what we did as, while there's been some great later pick, most are usually delisted by now. Good for depth when we have a near full side out there but was unlucky this week to get dropped. There was worse.
Yes, at pick 52 we did ok to get what we did....
He's nothing flash but he's a better player than Kane Lucas. ;D
He's nothing flash but he's a better player than Kane Lucas. ;D
Lucas was actually pretty smooth and skilful IMO. Gave the impression that he believed his skill would carry the day and he didn't really need to try. Basically a lifestyle footy player.
Looking at the team I won't be surprised to find this is the week we see Jones get a run in the ruck.
Should be fine and dry Saturday night, expect Dangerfield to tunnel a few talls and be given a free kick for obstruction of whatever rule benefits him! ;)
I'd run Lamb on Ablett to keep Geelong distracted.
Thanks sandra...
Half our interchange bench might change your opinion.
Just throwing it out there, Jones to be used as 2nd ruck.
;)
Not sure why we aren't playing 2 rucks? We are bottom of the ladder and should be developing for the future.
Lucas was actually pretty smooth and skilful IMO. Gave the impression that he believed his skill would carry the day and he didn't really need to try. Basically a lifestyle footy player.
His foot skills were worse than Graham's and he got less of the ball, he was marginally better than Bootsma.
His foot skills were worse than Graham's and he got less of the ball, he was marginally better than Bootsma.
Is there more than 1 Kane Lucas ?
Is there more than 1 Kane Lucas ?
Fun fact.
As of today Graham and Lucas have played the same number of senior games for Carlton.
Fun fact.
As of today Graham and Lucas have played the same number of senior games for Carlton.
Yes, that is certainly a fun fact.
Lucas suffered some injuries in his first few seasons with us - he hardly played in 2010, 11 and 12. Rather hard to get any sort of traction or momentum under such circumstances I would have thought.
I have no special emotional attachment to Lucas, but he was certainly more skilled than Graham or Bootsma.
Yes, that is certainly a fun fact.
Lucas suffered some injuries in his first few seasons with us - he hardly played in 2010, 11 and 12. Rather hard to get any sort of traction or momentum under such circumstances I would have thought.
I have no special emotional attachment to Lucas, but he was certainly more skilled than Graham or Bootsma.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm down with that brother.
A couple of weeks back I thought I'd checked the broadcast guide and our game tomorrow was live to air, now Ch.7 are broadcast GWS vs CheatsFC.
I was up the bush at the time, maybe the broadcast schedule is different up there?
I'm down with that brother.
My whole family on dad's side barracked for Carlton, the most heated arguments at family get togethers were about this or that Carlton footballer.
Was SOS better than Serge, was Jezza a better full forward than a centreman, was anyone as good as Nicholls.
It's still going on today, a couple of my cousins think that Levi is a gun.
My whole family on dad's side barracked for Carlton, the most heated arguments at family get togethers were about this or that Carlton footballer.
Was SOS better than Serge, was Jezza a better full forward than a centreman, was anyone as good as Nicholls.
It's still going on today, a couple of my cousins think that Levi is a gun.
Love and hate are flip sides of the same coin. The people you love are usually also the ones that enrage you the most. There's a reason why seven out of ten murders are committed by someone known to the victim. Strangers are not likely to p1ss you off.
A couple of weeks back I thought I'd checked the broadcast guide and our game tomorrow was live to air, now Ch.7 are broadcast GWS vs CheatsFC.
I was up the bush at the time, maybe the broadcast schedule is different up there?
The afl broadcast schedule offers:
Vic- Geelong, Giants v Scum 7, 7pm,
Vic-Melbourne, Giants v Scum 7, 7pm,
Vic-Regional, Giants v Scum Prime7, 7pm,
Vic-Remote, Giants v Scum Southern Cross, 7pm.
Looks like the same game as everyone else gets, seems like it’s only the network and local time that changes...
NT Darwin, Giants v Scum Southern Cross, 6:30,
NT Remote and Regional, Giants v Scum, Southern Cross, 6:30
WA Perth, Giants v Scum, 7, 5pm,
WA Regional, Giants v Scum, 7mate, 5:20pm.
I will be watching in miniature for this one, AFL Live on my tablet. Better than nothing I guess.
My whole family on dad's side barracked for Carlton, the most heated arguments at family get togethers were about this or that Carlton footballer.
Was SOS better than Serge, was Jezza a better full forward than a centreman, was anyone as good as Nicholls.
It's still going on today, a couple of my cousins think that Levi is a gun.
It's funny how these discussions change with the times.
I note with interest how your family discussions were over the greats and what made one better than the other... Like it mattered... They were all magnificent b4st4rds with a place in history.
These days we argue over who is worse... Lucas Bootsma or Graham. None of them would get a game at a top 8 side, but it's what we are left with discussing.
It's funny how these discussions change with the times.
I note with interest how your family discussions were over the greats and what made one better than the other... Like it mattered... They were all magnificent b4st4rds with a place in history.
These days we argue over who is worse... Lucas Bootsma or Graham. None of them would get a game at a top 8 side, but it's what we are left with discussing.
Quite sad really but a reflection of our current predicament and lowly status. I find the regular raking up of our past failures to be quite depressing actually and I will be more than relieved when we can start to look forward again with a measure of confidence and expectation.
Mullet designated emergency.
The afl broadcast schedule offers:
Vic- Geelong, Giants v Scum 7, 7pm,
Vic-Melbourne, Giants v Scum 7, 7pm,
Vic-Regional, Giants v Scum Prime7, 7pm,
Vic-Remote, Giants v Scum Southern Cross, 7pm.
Looks like the same game as everyone else gets, seems like it’s only the network and local time that changes...
NT Darwin, Giants v Scum Southern Cross, 6:30,
NT Remote and Regional, Giants v Scum, Southern Cross, 6:30
WA Perth, Giants v Scum, 7, 5pm,
WA Regional, Giants v Scum, 7mate, 5:20pm.
My wife confirmed, when she was watching the Cats / GWS a few rounds back on Friday night they ran through the up and coming Geelong games and stated they would be back in GMHBA for the Carlton game Free to Air, and they ranted about how long it had been since Carlton played in Geelong. So either that was a mistake or they must have changed the broadcast schedule. She remembers it well because she was choosing a date for us to go out for dinner and avoided organising tonight.
I'll be happy not to see Carlton until we start being competitive again.
Maybe a late change Harry Taylor might be in doubt , would be good for us
It's funny how these discussions change with the times.
I note with interest how your family discussions were over the greats and what made one better than the other... Like it mattered... They were all magnificent b4st4rds with a place in history.
These days we argue over who is worse... Lucas Bootsma or Graham. None of them would get a game at a top 8 side, but it's what we are left with discussing.
Like will we ruck Liam Jones or should we have played Andrew Phillips.
As if it makes any difference. :-[
Like will we ruck Liam Jones or should we have played Andrew Phillips.
As if it makes any difference. :-[
:)) Is that called "shuffling deckchairs etc. etc."?
:)) Is that called "shuffling deckchairs etc. etc."?
I was talking to a life long Carlton supporter about this today, he reckons that with Docherty injured and Gibbs gone there only about three players in our team who would get a regular game at any AFL club.
We agreed that we have quite a few young players with potential but most if not all of them would be learning their craft in the VFL at a top side and be playing the odd senior game, at Carlton we simply have to fast track them.
Long term it might not be to their benefit as we've seen with Weitering's form this season, and to a lesser extent Petrevski-Seton, time will tell I guess.
I was talking to a life long Carlton supporter about this today, he reckons that with Docherty injured and Gibbs gone there only about three players in our team who would get a regular game at any AFL club.
We agreed that we have quite a few young players with potential but most if not all of them would be learning their craft in the VFL at a top side and be playing the odd senior game, at Carlton we simply have to fast track them.
Long term it might not be to their benefit as we've seen with Weitering's form this season, and to a lesser extent Petrevski-Seton, time will tell I guess.
That was also probably the case during the Pagan years...with players like Murphy and Gibbs.
Would they have been even better players had they had a more gradual "education"?
Murph was knocked senseless in his early years.
I think it depends on the player.
Dow and O'Brien strike me as two who need (and thrive ) playing at the top level... but I'm not sure there won't come a time when they need to have a few games at VFL level... much the same as Silvagni is doing at present.
That was also probably the case during the Pagan years...with players like Murphy and Gibbs.
Would they have been even better players had they had a more gradual "education"?
Murph was knocked senseless in his early years.
I think it depends on the player.
Dow and O'Brien strike me as two who need (and thrive ) playing at the top level... but I'm not sure there won't come a time when they need to have a few games at VFL level... much the same as Silvagni is doing at present.
We just don't have the resources, if we drop them our senior side will be even more hopeless.
It's a Catch 22 I know, and largely of our own making.
We just don't have the resources, if we drop them our senior side will be even more hopeless.
It's a Catch 22 I know, and largely of our own making.
Supporters would probably accept that for the time being...but I don't think that generosity would extend much beyond the end of this season.
Maybe a late change Harry Taylor might be in doubt , would be good for us
Taylor out ...Aaron Black in, probably the weakest Cats team on paper we have seen for a while and we are a chance to be competitive if not a slim chance to win...or maybe I am being too hopeful..
Taylor out ...Aaron Black in, probably the weakest Cats team on paper we have seen for a while and we are a chance to be competitive if not a slim chance to win...or maybe I am being too hopeful..
If the bombers beat them, and we beat the bombers.....its at least possible.
...but it IS down at Geelong.
Taylor out ...Aaron Black in, probably the weakest Cats team on paper we have seen for a while and we are a chance to be competitive if not a slim chance to win...or maybe I am being too hopeful..
A slim chance but a chance I reckon.
Murphy out but he was missing for a quarter last week so a four quarter player is an upgrade on last week, so are the Curnow boys.
Still, it was 109 points, it would be one of the biggest turnarounds of all time.