Poll
Question:
R1 vs Port Adelaide: Who was your top 3, WORST on ground?
Option 1: 1 - Walker
votes: 13
Option 2: 2 - Menzel (starting sub)
votes: 1
Option 3: 3 - Murphy
votes: 0
Option 4: 4 - Gibbs
votes: 0
Option 5: 6 - Simpson
votes: 0
Option 6: 8 - Kreuzer
votes: 23
Option 7: 10 - Watson
votes: 12
Option 8: 11 - Warnock
votes: 5
Option 9: 12 - Robinson
votes: 20
Option 10: 13 - Yarran
votes: 0
Option 11: 14 - McLean
votes: 8
Option 12: 23 - Henderson
votes: 3
Option 13: 26 - McInness
votes: 26
Option 14: 28 - Bell (subbed off)
votes: 4
Option 15: 30 - Waite
votes: 1
Option 16: 33 - Everitt
votes: 0
Option 17: 35 - Curnow
votes: 0
Option 18: 38 - Garlett
votes: 10
Option 19: 39 - Thomas
votes: 2
Option 20: 40 - Jamison
votes: 1
Option 21: 42 - Tuohy
votes: 2
Option 22: 46 - Ellard
votes: 0
OK, so we have to take the good with the bad. I've done the best on ground, so here is where it gets nasty, who were our worst on ground last night against Port.
Try to be honest in your appraisal and not simply pick your most hated player every week. Choose based on their latest performances only.
There might have been players with less disposals but Robinson, McLean and Walker had shockers and had a fair say in the result last night. All 3 butchered the ball and made horrific clangers.
I went with Robbo, Walker and McInness.
Walker got the nod mainly through his undisciplined acts and giving away free kicks.
The other 2 for their inability to find a target wearing the same jumper as them.
Robbo (45% Disposal efficiency)
McInness (36% DE)
Not good enough.
Kreuzer by a mile. Might as well have not even been out there. Zero impact.
Walker - just an awful defender, turns to jelly at the slightest hint of pressure, weak overhead, undisciplined. Thinks by sprinting sideways to receive and then kicking across ground 40m he's helping the team. Meh.
Kreuzer - Did he get his hands to the ball in a contested mark situation? If so he spilled it. Been calling this for a while.
McInnes - LOL. Hopeless. Awful decision maker.
Sorry but give me a REAL defender like Laidler on the last line over either of McInnes or Walker any day. Possibly Watson as well.
Garlett very lucky to miss out.
Kreuzer, Robinson and Garlett for mine. Garlett and Kreuzer were basically invisible men and Robinson butchered the ball more often than not.
If Kreuzer can't learn to play forward by years end, it's trade time. I personally thought he should have been packaged up and traded to GWS last year to land us a KPF.
Robinson will be overtaken this year by the likes of Cripps and Graham, he's just too much of a liability. Will be out of the side as soon as Judd and Carrazzo are back.
Garlett needs to get match fit. With Eddie gone we really need him to stand up. Garlett should have been the sub last night in place of Menzel.
Robinson was the worst on field for me.
For every one action he does well, he does two poorly and then makes it worse by charging in like a wounded ball knowing that he has stuffed up. This just leads to him playing erratic footy and being more liability.
Kreuzer. Only just. McInness, Robbo and Garlett were rubbish as well.
Robinson
Kruezer
Walker
Watson
all above self explanatory
Warnock- can do nothing around the ground - killed in the ruck in the last quarter
Jamison - his body is shot - delist him
Waite - he had the opportunity to kick the first goal of the final quarter - Daisy told him to kick it - did not take the responsibility for the occasion. weak pass to flank - im over this bloke - delist him.
McInnes, Watson and Warnock
I went Warnock, Robinson and Bell.
Warnock got plenty of touches yet did nada as usual!
Robinson and Bell both got plenty, early in Bell's case, yet they both butchered the ball mercilessly!
If you go to all the trouble of getting it, don't give it back!
McInnes, Bell and Robbo were the ones I cursed the most! >:(
There were several others I could also have mentioned but can't be bothered.
Robinson and Bell both got plenty, early in Bell's case, yet they both butchered the ball mercilessly!
If you go to all the trouble of getting it, don't give it back!
I've been playing that tune for a while now. People keep telling me that they are required players who do the hard stuff.
I'd prefer soft players who can hit a target rather than tough players who cannot.
I've been playing that tune for a while now. People keep telling me that they are required players who do the hard stuff.
I'd prefer soft players who can hit a target rather than tough players who cannot.
I agree partially, I think you need a balanced mix and at the moment we have almost zero of the target hitters, not even Judd qualifies in this regard. It is why I mentioned earlier that the pass by Jammo to Tuohy in the midfield before he dished off to Yarran, that pass really stood out because we don;t do it very often if at all!
We need a bloke like a Bradley or a Stevens, Murphy should be able to fill that role if someone is smart enough to give him a chop out. But one is not enough, we need another two or three like that. Guys that hit targets as well as kick goals.
Robinson and Bell both got plenty, early in Bell's case, yet they both butchered the ball mercilessly!
If you go to all the trouble of getting it, don't give it back!
I've been playing that tune for a while now. People keep telling me that they are required players who do the hard stuff.
I'd prefer soft players who can hit a target rather than tough players who cannot.
Here is an idea out from left field. How about we recruit players who are hard at it and can kick the football too?
Here is an idea out from left field. How about we recruit players who are hard at it and can kick the football too?
There is only a handful of that type in the league, the others are more common, but we can only hope!
Robinson and Bell both got plenty, early in Bell's case, yet they both butchered the ball mercilessly!
If you go to all the trouble of getting it, don't give it back!
I've been playing that tune for a while now. People keep telling me that they are required players who do the hard stuff.
I'd prefer soft players who can hit a target rather than tough players who cannot.
Here is an idea out from left field. How about we recruit players who are hard at it and can kick the football too?
I reckon we tried with our first round pick. ;)
Here is an idea out from left field. How about we recruit players who are hard at it and can kick the football too?
There is only a handful of that type in the league, the others are more common, but we can only hope!
Talk to Messrs Kernahan, Gleeson, OSullivan, McKay, Hughes Rodgers and Swan as to why....
I recall in the halcyon days - no one could get a game at Carlton if they couldn't kick....
Robinson and Bell both got plenty, early in Bell's case, yet they both butchered the ball mercilessly!
If you go to all the trouble of getting it, don't give it back!
I've been playing that tune for a while now. People keep telling me that they are required players who do the hard stuff.
I'd prefer soft players who can hit a target rather than tough players who cannot.
Here is an idea out from left field. How about we recruit players who are hard at it and can kick the football too?
I reckon we tried with our first round pick. ;)
Not sure Cripps is seen as an elite kick, along with his endurance its an area he needs to improve, ditto for Graham and Buckley who also need to improve their kicking.
Robinson and Bell both got plenty, early in Bell's case, yet they both butchered the ball mercilessly!
If you go to all the trouble of getting it, don't give it back!
I've been playing that tune for a while now. People keep telling me that they are required players who do the hard stuff.
I'd prefer soft players who can hit a target rather than tough players who cannot.
Here is an idea out from left field. How about we recruit players who are hard at it and can kick the football too?
I reckon we tried with our first round pick. ;)
Not sure Cripps is seen as an elite kick, along with his endurance its an area he needs to improve, ditto for Graham and Buckley who also need to improve their kicking.
He is not an elite kick, but he doesn't have to be to be an upgrade on Bell and Robbo. ;)
He is not an elite kick, but he doesn't have to be to be an upgrade on Bell and Robbo. ;)
He is not bad by foot, but he is way slower than Bell and Robbo so I doubt he will find enough space to use his feet. He is going to be an in and under type, a rotation / replacement for Carrazzo, McLean and Judd working on the inside.
Robinson and Bell both got plenty, early in Bell's case, yet they both butchered the ball mercilessly!
If you go to all the trouble of getting it, don't give it back!
I've been playing that tune for a while now. People keep telling me that they are required players who do the hard stuff.
I'd prefer soft players who can hit a target rather than tough players who cannot.
Here is an idea out from left field. How about we recruit players who are hard at it and can kick the football too?
I reckon we tried with our first round pick. ;)
Not sure Cripps is seen as an elite kick, along with his endurance its an area he needs to improve, ditto for Graham and Buckley who also need to improve their kicking.
He is not an elite kick, but he doesn't have to be to be an upgrade on Bell and Robbo. ;)
Fair point..especially with Robbo, thought Bell was better and was surprised when he was subbed off...
@EB1
Good point, why wasn't Robbo subbed off?
Robbo was easily our worst player last night. He fkn did my head in.
Every single time he got the ball he just bombed it forward with zero poise and even less thought.
He even missed a sitter after a great passage of play.
He's been around long enough now. He ain't gonna change.
Magoos from now on !
Robinson. Robinson. Robinson. Robinson. Robinson robinson robinson. :(
Robbo was easily our worst player last night. He fkn did my head in.
Every single time he got the ball he just bombed it forward with zero poise and even less thought.
He even missed a sitter after a great passage of play.
He's been around long enough now. He ain't gonna change.
Magoos from now on !
McInnes for me....cant stick a tackle on a smaller player ie Gray and gets outmarked by smaller players and if he does get the footy only John Butcher is more comical too watch when disposing of it....
To all the people who are voting Robinson for not looking, bombing the ball long and turning it over.
My question is this...
What have you seen from him in the past that tells you different?
To all the people who are voting Robinson for not looking, bombing the ball long and turning it over.
My question is this...
What have you seen from him in the past that tells you different?
He did butcher the ball, but atleast he got his friggen hands on it.. I voted worst on ground by who may as well not even have been out there..
My friend was at the game and was talking to me today. He said Walker, Robinson and Kreuzer were terrible for us last night. He said he would trade each of them for a can of baked beans at the moment. He is a good judge of what he watches and said he has seen the worst game Kreuzer might ever play. So much so, that if he plays any worse he needs to be dropped for 3 or 4 weeks to learn what he needs to do before we trade him.
Its extremely sad that we need a thread titled R1 Worst on Ground.
We have too many candidates. Robbo and Bell actually did some good stuff, but their errors stuck out badly. Same thing with Thomas and Walker: Walker was brilliant early, but his brain seemed to disappear as the game went on. Some could reasonably claim that Watson was our worst, as his inability to match his man lead to almost all of Port's score in the 2nd quarter. He did much better on Butcher.
Butcher by name, and Butcher by nature. He is almost better off left to wonder alone and gang up on a better player like Westhoff.
To all the people who are voting Robinson for not looking, bombing the ball long and turning it over.
My question is this...
What have you seen from him in the past that tells you different?
Normally he handballs as much as he kicks which means he's less likely to f%^& up. He usually has twice as many marks and tackles as well.
We have too many candidates. Robbo and Bell actually did some good stuff, but their errors stuck out badly. Same thing with Thomas and Walker: Walker was brilliant early, but his brain seemed to disappear as the game went on. Some could reasonably claim that Watson was our worst, as his inability to match his man lead to almost all of Port's score in the 2nd quarter. He did much better on Butcher.
As you say Crash - we are spoiled for choice. ::)
Sorry, and hate writing it, but Kreuzer. Especially when you weigh up his contribution next to his draft selection, investment and size. This bloke should be imposing himself on contest and game to great effect and influence. But he gives so very, very little.
Ps. The poll should read, 'Who were etc, not was!' Sorry, couldn't help myself... if LODS sees it someone will get detention ;) :)
Malthouse didn't sub Bell off because he was "Wonderful!", or because he had "Earned a Rest!"
It looks to me from the replay it was often Bell's direct opponent cleaning up off the defensive side of stoppages, he may have been leaving the accountability part of his game to team mates!
Ps. The poll should read, 'Who were etc, not was!' Sorry, couldn't help myself... if LODS sees it someone will get detention ;) :)
Nah!
If I see it in a thread title I'll probably change it but....
I don't worry too much about spelling and grammar on here.
When a person is fired up they'll make an occasional blue, and I'm as guilty as anyone.
If we start picking folk up all the time it tends to stifle a contribution.
A 'their' instead of a 'there' or a 'your' instead of a 'you're' is neither here nor there/their/they're. :D
As you get older too you'll fall into a few bad habits...one of the ones I've noticed lately is if I'm writing quickly I'll write 'I'm busty' instead of 'I'm busy'
I'm blaming the close proximity of the letter on the keyboard....but it could be something more sinister :-[ :D
Plenty to choose from. :(
I love the guy, but Walker had a shocker, I hope he comes back from his 'break' hungry and ready to redeem himself !!!
8 goals kicked by Ports KPF's, Jammo and Watson have to take responsibility for most of those. Not a good day at the office for either of them.
Robbo - He goes in hard for the ball.... SO WHAT!!! Turns it over 80 % of the time... Could ve given us the momentum going into half time, but sprays a shot at an open goal from close range...Will never improve. Just not up to it.
Watson - Absolutely toweled up by Westoff and Butcher. Instead of shouting WOOF!! when he got the ball, she should ve shouted Baaahhh!! because he looked like a lost sheep out there...
Both Kreuzer and MInnes have not been the same players since their knee injuries. I remember the days when Kreuz would mark everything in sight and his kicking was so accurate. Now, h is barely a Best 22 player let alone No 1 Draft Pick quality....
Well, CFC had three number 1 draftees out there, a #2 (Walks), a #6 (Yazz), a #11 (eVERITT).....Watson was #18? McLean too a first round draft pick? Daisy (#2 behind Smurf) joins the list this season too.
That's half a side of supposedly elite football talent......
Then there's Simmo (a regular top notch performer) and a few others who can claim to be solid B graders or better on their day e.g. Garlett.
These are the guys that win you games and they just don't produce that winning effort, individually or collectively, often enough. Or stand up when the heat is on.....you know all the cliches!
No point blaming your Tom Bells or Robbos or Jamos - they are the 'extras' or foot soldiers (and heck, Curnow and Ellard had good days...).
Until our guns step UP and produce we are a very ordinary side. Full stop.
On Murphy, I haven't seen the whole game but I thought the bits I saw he made some very bad decisions eg dishIng off to Robbo) who missed etc. a Captain MUST STAND UP.
one of the ones I've noticed lately is if I'm writing quickly I'll write 'I'm busty' instead of 'I'm busy'
Have you considered hormone replacement? :P
Its extremely sad that we need a thread titled R1 Worst on Ground.
If it makes you feel better, i did the 'R1 BEST on ground' first. ;)
...and its not because of how we played...i'm planning on doing that for every round.
At the end of the year, i'll tally up the numbers and post some conclusions. Be interesting to see if either of these threads correlate to the B+F results and the delistings.
Ps. The poll should read, 'Who were etc, not was!' Sorry, couldn't help myself... if LODS sees it someone will get detention ;) :)
Nah!
If I see it in a thread title I'll probably change it but....
I don't worry too much about spelling and grammar on here.
When a person is fired up they'll make an occasional blue, and I'm as guilty as anyone.
If we start picking folk up all the time it tends to stifle a contribution.
A 'their' instead of a 'there' or a 'your' instead of a 'you're' is neither here nor there/their/they're. :D
As you get older too you'll fall into a few bad habits...one of the ones I've noticed lately is if I'm writing quickly I'll write 'I'm busty' instead of 'I'm busy'
I'm blaming the close proximity of the letter on the keyboard....but it could be something more sinister :-[ :D
Understand completely... was actually tongue in cheek.
Busty? Spent some time at Windy Hill?
I actually like the 'best on worst on' threads great idea. Something different for once.
I actually like the 'best on worst on' threads great idea. Something different for once.
Cheers carrots
No point blaming your Tom Bells or Robbos or Jamos - they are the 'extras' or foot soldiers (and heck, Curnow and Ellard had good days...).
Until our guns step UP and produce we are a very ordinary side. Full stop.
On Murphy, I haven't seen the whole game but I thought the bits I saw he made some very bad decisions eg dishIng off to Robbo) who missed etc. a Captain MUST STAND UP.
x2. Some of those blokes including the skipper need to be put in those boxing sessions they have down at the Hawks to teach them some fight.
How about Mick Malthouse?? Surely he could see that Watson on Westhoff was never going to work. Fmd, it's not that complicated.
How about Mick Malthouse?? Surely he could see that Watson on Westhoff was never going to work. Fmd, it's not that complicated.
He coached poorly, selected the wrong sub and paid little respect to Westhoff and the Port running power.
No point blaming your Tom Bells or Robbos or Jamos - they are the 'extras' or foot soldiers (and heck, Curnow and Ellard had good days...).
Until our guns step UP and produce we are a very ordinary side. Full stop.
On Murphy, I haven't seen the whole game but I thought the bits I saw he made some very bad decisions eg dishIng off to Robbo) who missed etc. a Captain MUST STAND UP.
x2. Some of those blokes including the skipper need to be put in those boxing sessions they have down at the Hawks to teach them some fight.
unfortunately, he's not that sort of leader - he's nice
How about Mick Malthouse?? Surely he could see that Watson on Westhoff was never going to work. Fmd, it's not that complicated.
the issue in defence wasnt the matchup it was how the port forwardline were able to provide seperation for each other and it was Mccinnes losing his opponent for most of the match doing the damage.
Did anyone see when Westhoff was lining up for goal from around 35m in the second quarter and McInnes inexplicably turned his back on play and left his man alone in the pocket before Westhoff had even shot for goal? So Westhoff passes it off for a goal. The guy is just hopeless, would love to have a real defender back there.
How about Mick Malthouse?? Surely he could see that Watson on Westhoff was never going to work. Fmd, it's not that complicated.
He coached poorly, selected the wrong sub and paid little respect to Westhoff and the Port running power.
Many scribes noted the same thing but put it differently... that Hinkley coached extremely well and cleverly countered our moves.