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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: A defence of David Teague and why it must fail
It honestly started out as "in fairness injuries killed us this game, indeed all year, give Teague that much slack" and turned into the exact opposite.  Maybe the breaking of the dam wall I had built in my mind in defence of the coach caused an irresistible tide that looks like premeditation but I genuinely mean the Teague-booster turning into broken-backed camel analogy.  In my defence on another forum where I posted and was asked how I could review a game I hadn't watched after pointing out I never claimed it was a review of anything but rather a comment/reflection/rant I proferred the following " ... the possible explanations are or at least include:

1. Frustration :mad:;
2. Lack of sleep:tired:;
3. Alcohol:drunk:;
4. Lack of desperately needed professional psychiatric help (the cathartic process of getting on fan forums not counting as "professional"):warning::sick::warning:; and/or
5. All of the above 🎯😜

Maybe I should run a poll or just go get that option 4 happening😜."

So thank you for your much kinder response and for saying I write well.  I would appreciate everyone's response to suggestion 4 - I may need urgent intervention😜.
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Robert Heatley Stand / A defence of David Teague and why it must fail
I started writing this as a comment of the Port debacle, it morphed into a rant on the coaching position.  I am a long time admirer of David Teague and was rapt he got the job and had high hopes at the start of the year.  Over the course of the year it has become increasingly untenable to support his retention of the position.  The post started looking at the injury list and how it has cruelled us of late, indeed all year and how it explained to some extent our poor year.  But the inexorable logic took hold of me and it headed off in the opposite direction.  As per the Sherlock Holmes quote "Once you eliminate the impossible whatever is left is the truth" or something to the effect.  The unpalatable truth.  Below is a cut and paste of what as I say started as a reflection on the Port game and what it told us that showed that to some extent events conspired against David Teague - as indeed they have.

Haven't seen any of the game bar the clip of Honeys 2 goals.  First time since I have had home internet (and I was an early adopter) I have not seen either live or delayed at least the majority of a game.  But Coles rostered my daughter on for a shift that covered the game time and we decided it being Murphy's 300th we'd watch it after she came home, neither knowing anything of the game (nor having any great hopes).  I managed to avoid all news but my daughter rings just after getting off work to tell me when she turned her phone back on the result hit her as the top item and maybe it would be best not to bother with our delayed viewing ...   So I haven't watched it and probably won't except for the 5 minute edit from Kayo - that and the feedback on here will I think more than tell me enough.  Sad that I can't stomach watching the game, but in fairness to the team it seems we tried but when Port decided to try we just got over-run by a far better team than the one we were ABLE to put out today.  Last week I wrote a rant saying we should pick all fit players who did not play in the Suns game and top them up with those who least deserved to be dropped.  That amounted to about 10 players when injuries and so forth were factored in and i noted that of course such a selection would never happen and such a team would be absolute cannon fodder - but we ended up halfway to that number of changes and the outs were not our worst but amongst our best.  Little wonder we were thrashed on that view.  And looking at it we were down nearly to bare bones.  Who COULD have been in instead of the 23 + 3 we picked, injury taken into account?  By my calculation there were only 6 other players that could have been chosen - 2 uncapped (Carroll and Ramsay), 3 barely more experienced (Owies Parks & Cottrell) and the comparative veteran Fogarty.  No gamechangers there.  And considering that, I think we have collectively failed to give enough weight to the impact of our injury curse this year.  Suppose the worst happened on the "available for selection" front - and given our trend this year it would be no shock - and neither Cripps nor Martin come up next week, nor Saad, nor any of the players who have been a test or worse according to the injury list from Tuesday.   By my calculation that would leave us 29 players from whom to select our 26.  And given the impact on our taller stocks - we had 9 of out 11 tallest players out I heard from one commentator in the preview - our structure was pretty completely shot.  And of course the talls have been that way for a good part of the season.  And in the first half of the season we pretty much won when we were favoured and lost when we weren't - which is not good but is by definition "pretty much" meeting expectations.  The second half we were cruelled by injury and there is a fair excuse in that - except for the fact that our best and worst so fluctuated, our worst all contained the same issues and the playing and coaching staff seemed to have no clue how to stop an opposition run-on.  If this week we lose Saad to injury and Murphy to retirement if no-one else falls over and no-one comes up from injury it becomes 27 from whom to choose 26.  Embarrassing for whoever misses out!  The equivalent of being the last kid picked in the schoolyard game.  But surely that goes a long way to justifying our non-competitiveness of late and maybe our good performances should be lauded as triumphs of will rather than our poor ones decried?  Nah, no matter how you look at it, in the Norf and Weagles games (at least) we choked when it was ours for the taking.  And last week it was threadbare talent pool against threadbare talent pool, the other mob just rose to the occasion and we didn't.  And as for today, well we can no longer say "at least the days of the massive belting are gone" - 19 goals straight conceded!  A 118 point turnaround in 2 and a half quarters!  Am I having a nightmare?  Will I wake to find the reality is  nowhere near that bad?  Surely no AFL 23 should be that outclassed by another, COULD be so outclassed if having a real go?  My hope for today was that we would come and show real intent and commitment and endeavour and if we weren't good enough so be it, weight will stop a train as the punters say and injuries will hobble any side.  And just looking at the score worm - midway through term 2 it looked so much better than that, even at half time one could still say they must have brought the endeavour, but thereafter undeniable and utter capitulation.  I just saw the headline "Teague concedes woeful effort could cost job"!  I have long been a Teague fan - I was rapt when he came to the club I always thought he had the makings of a senior coach, I was pleased to see him get the job and at the start of this year had genuine optimism.  But how can he survive the utter inability to defend that is the hallmark of his teams?  Blame the players sure, they are lazy one way runners in the main, or else limited in skill or footy nous or otherwise but isn't that what the coaching staff are there to work on - skills and strategy and buying in to the collective endeavour?  Three strikes and you're out batter, none out of 3 is bad Mr Loaf, and when you hit the iceberg every friggen voyage Captain Smith you go down with the Titanic no other choice.  As I say I was a Teague booster, I admired his courage as a player and his promise as a coach but this year has eaten away at optimism to the point where surely he has to go.  I know the coaching fraternity has its respect for each other - see the Hardwick approach - and no-one wants to be the guy who the incumbent coach gets sacked for, but the results make this a mercy killing rather than an assassination.  No longer could a prospective coach feel he is kicking a man when he is down, the results of the experiment cannot be interpreted any other way than complete failure of the coaching team to implement a plan, strategy or ethos  in the playing group.  And yes that blame gets shared with the playing group (some of whose papers are surely stamped - veterans time to go, battlers we know you've tried your best, injury victims we know it's not your fault, guys who don't want it bad enough, enough said) and spread amongst the coaching group (all of whom surely face the question of why they deserve to keep their job rather than why they deserve to lose it) but in the end whilst a big part of being a senior coach is bringing together the good work of those supporting you in the coaching and playing ranks and you can't pull your socks up if you don't have any, the job is mainly man management and the simplest and most logical explanation is not that the whole body of assistants and players as a collective just don't stack up, it's that their leader isn't getting it to gel.  And Ockham's razor says the simplest answer is the one to go with.  And here the simplest answer is the head coach can't get the collective to gel.  And if that is the conclusion reached, as sadly I think it must be (for as I say I admire much about Teague and held high hopes), there can be only one verdict members of the jury and only one sentence that that verdict entails.

Any way, I think I have used up every cliche possibly relevant and try as I don't want to digress into a coach by coach analysis here (in brief the development coaches are all relatively fresh and seem to have had some successes this year when players have finally been given a shot in the seniors, the forward and defence coaches have their admirers, and if the midfield has seemed shallow it has been off the back of not playing the younger brigade at all (eg Dow most of the year) or where they made themselves known (eg SPS) and these are coaching decisions that even if the strategy if you can call it that comes from the assistant/s should be overruled by the senior coach when, or I should say IF, he sees it is not working, but all Teague's public pronouncements are that he sees that it is working.  **Another cliche I can dredge up "insanity lies in repeating the same actions expecting different results" - not suggesting Teague is insane, but replace "insanity" with "delusion" and measure him up against that amended version of the cliche and it's an ugly picture.**  And don't tell me the defensive strategies are the responsibilty the defensive coach, the offensive of the offensive coach, the transitions of the transitions coach etc etc, first they have to get the "very well, carry on" from the head coach when they pitch the idea originally AND if they aren't working the head coach has the OBLIGATION to say tear up that strategy and play one that works - Teague has presumably ticked off the strategies and has clearly not abandoned them.  One on one defence - yeh let's go with that unlike every other team in the comp, let's do whatever is we do on transition from defence (can anyone discern a plan), let's bomb it long when all our talls are missing (for that matter it usually doesn't work when you have the cattle except when it's a bomb to a mismatch, the quality of intercept marking means "bomb it long create a contest and crumb the spill" works out instead to be "bomb it long and the intercept turns into a rebound" and in our case too often the rebound slices all the way through the midfield who by and large have left their man and don't seem to have any urgency to chase anyway and generates inside defensive 50 entries no defender can be expected to keep out TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME. 

The architects of this mess called the Carlton Football Club may be many but the architects of the mess called the Carlton game plan are the coaches and ultimately their leader and, one last cliche, this is surely the straw that breaks the back of the camel called the Teague-supporters, or at least this one.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd 22: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
WARNING IRRATIONAL RANT FOLLOWS - WRITTEN AS A NEXT ROUND PREVIEW BUT WITH A FAIR BUT OF VITRIOLIC REVIEW THROWN IN AT THE END.

Before I fire up let me say I know it is unjustifiably harsh, I know the players turn up with the intent to try their best even if some days they don't fire a shot, I know some busted a gut today and all who play at this level have not only skill beyond us mere mortals but also courage I can't honestly say I know i would display (albeit that courageous is a word that was often used to described my pathetic playing career but largely because to my skill level my courage was impressive rather than it being objectively so) and that they by and large make sacrifices in their lives to ever get to that level but most of us couldn't and/or wouldn't  BUT DAMN IT I HAVE LOVED THIS CLUB SINCE 1968 AND I AM GOING TO BE IRRATIONAL ALL RIGHT! 

With any luck the competition might be shut down and/or this game cancelled due to Covid.

By my calculation there were 14 players not playing today who might be fit enough to play next week ("the Fit 14").  That would be 14 of my starting 18.  If any don't come up it saves another "player" (and I use the term loosely) from today.  That leaves 9 spots including medical sub.  I would fill them with those that most deserve to be there - a mix of performance this week (not that many get a plus mark), effort over the season, effort over their career and those that need another game under their belt to develop (maybe Honey), continue a comeback (Charlie) or show they are worth a place on the list next year (arguably Kennedy, Dow, O'Brien etc)  So category 1 for example would be Newman possibly our best player today, category 2 Walsh, category 3 - well we may as well carry Murph to 300 games now, and category 4 Charlie.

In terms of who played well enough today to have any case to argue for staying in the side - well there's Newman, Walsh, Ed Curnow.  Others weren't disgusting but these are the 3 that I reckon flew the flag.  Of course Walsh is in category 2 (and H Mac if he is fit but for the sake of the exercise I will assume he is out injured) and Ed C in category 3, so let's start listing "THE NON-SACKED NINE"

Category 1     Newman E Curnow (also could be in category 3)

Category 2      Walsh

Category 3      Murphy

Category 4       TBA

Cripps would also deserve category 3 status for his career, but for the sake of this exercise I am going to say (as may well be the case) he deserves even more a rest for his battered body. 

Add Charlie C as category 4 - so 4 more to go.  Given I have already suggested only 3 fit category 1 let's look to categories 2, 3 and 4.  To my mind we should address category 3 first - those whose body of work over their career with the Blues has them deserving to avoid the ignominy of the cull.  Possibles excluding Cripps as aforesaid are Betts of course, Jones and maybe even Weitering albeit he is still young.  In any event Weits would surely get in under category 2 for his season performances.  That would make 22.  I also think JSOS deserves a spot on his year and his drive (and no doubt the family name subconsciously comes into play), so without having any consideration of category 4 we are already at 23 but let's see whether any category 4s deserve to oust any and how many of the names above.

I see the category 4s beyond Charlie as being:

Young guns                Honey Stocker Dow

Last chancers             Kennedy Williamson O'Brien

Comebackers              Nil

I think all but O'Brien have either shown enough or had enough chances to make a decision on their future without needing another look - I won't digress into who I think should stay and who should go that's for the list management discussion, but ... no I won't digress. :smile:

So if  you include O'Brien there is 24, one miss out (be one of the 3 emergencies not medisub) and two other bodies to also be named an emergency.  End of the day I think Honey's goals probably earn him at least an emergency slot and that leaves 1 emergency and I don't give a rat's tossbag which of these underwhelming (I'll again use the term loosely) "players" get that spot but forced to pick one I'd go Williamson as a harder body who is trying to save his career.  Of course if any one or more of the Fit 14 don't come up then one or more of the emergencies and (if we had a run off injuries to the Fit 14 - and let's face it with our injury run this year anything's possible) even beyond might get saved, but for the sake of the exercise let's go with Fit 14 plus 9 plus 3, and I'd line them up with the Fit 14 plus 4 others starting on field ike this:

Williams    McDonald     Parks
Cottrell     Weitering     Ramsay
Carroll       Setterfield   SPS
Durdin      McGovern    Fogarty
Casboult    C Curnow    Owies
Jones        Kemp          Murphy

Then bench plus medisub
E Curnow Newman JSOS Walsh / Betts

Emergencies: MEDISUB Honey O'Brien Williamson

Eddie gets medisub to hopefully limit his workload and set him up fresh for round 23 just in case it is his last game.  Smurph gets to play all day (injury aside) in his 300th, that is how it should be for anyone's 300th if the season is over, and he should retire at the final siren or better still announce it before the game.  Not that I expect he would do that,, but if I ran the club I'd tell him it's that or medisub for his 300th and see which choice he would make - but if he said medisub I'd start him anyway, his career deserves it.  I am a softy/romantic at heart.

Of course no AFL club would do such a thing but it would send such a message.  Of course the team would get pumped unless the Port coach completely stuffed up (by which I mean their bus breaks down and they don't reach the ground).  But that is the point - the players today other than the ones I have named forfeited the right to wear the first team guernsey for one week at least and it's only the rules around player lists and availability that save even them.  It was a collective failure and warrants collective consequences.  On on the point of consequences surely the Teague train has been derailed.  He should get on the phone to Clarko himself and offer him the job (and ideally stay on as senior assistant with a Roos/Goodwin deal to take over in a few years).  Again never going to happen, but then neither was my 3QT suggestion he send one assistant coach out to tell the "players" words to the effect "if you aren't going to turn up for us then we're not going to turn up for you" and then turn around and walk off.

END RANT
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 21: Carlton vs Gold Coast
WARNING IRRATIONAL RANT FOLLOWS - WRITTEN AS A NEXT ROUND PREVIEW BUT WITH A FAIR BUT OF VITRIOLIC REVIEW THROWN IN AT THE END.

Before I fire up let me say I know it is unjustifiably harsh, I know the players turn up with the intent to try their best even if some days they don't fire a shot, I know some busted a gut today and all who play at this level have not only skill beyond us mere mortals but also courage I can't honestly say I know i would display (albeit that courageous is a word that was often used to described my pathetic playing career but largely because to my skill level my courage was impressive rather than it being objectively so) and that they by and large make sacrifices in their lives to ever get to that level but most of us couldn't and/or wouldn't  BUT DAMN IT I HAVE LOVED THIS CLUB SINCE 1968 AND I AM GOING TO BE IRRATIONAL ALL RIGHT! 

With any luck the competition might be shut down and/or this game cancelled due to Covid.

By my calculation there were 14 players not playing today who might be fit enough to play next week ("the Fit 14").  That would be 14 of my starting 18.  If any don't come up it saves another "player" (and I use the term loosely) from today.  That leaves 9 spots including medical sub.  I would fill them with those that most deserve to be there - a mix of performance this week (not that many get a plus mark), effort over the season, effort over their career and those that need another game under their belt to develop (maybe Honey), continue a comeback (Charlie) or show they are worth a place on the list next year (arguably Kennedy, Dow, O'Brien etc)  So category 1 for example would be Newman possibly our best player today, category 2 Walsh, category 3 - well we may as well carry Murph to 300 games now, and category 4 Charlie.

In terms of who played well enough today to have any case to argue for staying in the side - well there's Newman, Walsh, Ed Curnow.  Others weren't disgusting but these are the 3 that I reckon flew the flag.  Of course Walsh is in category 2 (and H Mac if he is fit but for the sake of the exercise I will assume he is out injured) and Ed C in category 3, so let's start listing "THE NON-SACKED NINE"

Category 1     Newman E Curnow (also could be in category 3)

Category 2      Walsh

Category 3      Murphy

Category 4       TBA

Cripps would also deserve category 3 status for his career, but for the sake of this exercise I am going to say (as may well be the case) he deserves even more a rest for his battered body. 

Add Charlie C as category 4 - so 4 more to go.  Given I have already suggested only 3 fit category 1 let's look to categories 2, 3 and 4.  To my mind we should address category 3 first - those whose body of work over their career with the Blues has them deserving to avoid the ignominy of the cull.  Possibles excluding Cripps as aforesaid are Betts of course, Jones and maybe even Weitering albeit he is still young.  In any event Weits would surely get in under category 2 for his season performances.  That would make 22.  I also think JSOS deserves a spot on his year and his drive (and no doubt the family name subconsciously comes into play), so without having any consideration of category 4 we are already at 23 but let's see whether any category 4s deserve to oust any and how many of the names above.

I see the category 4s beyond Charlie as being:

Young guns                Honey Stocker Dow

Last chancers             Kennedy Williamson O'Brien

Comebackers              Nil

I think all but O'Brien have either shown enough or had enough chances to make a decision on their future without needing another look - I won't digress into who I think should stay and who should go that's for the list management discussion, but ... no I won't digress. :smile:

So if  you include O'Brien there is 24, one miss out (be one of the 3 emergencies not medisub) and two other bodies to also be named an emergency.  End of the day I think Honey's goals probably earn him at least an emergency slot and that leaves 1 emergency and I don't give a rat's tossbag which of these underwhelming (I'll again use the term loosely) "players" get that spot but forced to pick one I'd go Williamson as a harder body who is trying to save his career.  Of course if any one or more of the Fit 14 don't come up then one or more of the emergencies and (if we had a run off injuries to the Fit 14 - and let's face it with our injury run this year anything's possible) even beyond might get saved, but for the sake of the exercise let's go with Fit 14 plus 9 plus 3, and I'd line them up with the Fit 14 plus 4 others starting on field ike this:

Williams    McDonald     Parks
Cottrell     Weitering     Ramsay
Carroll       Setterfield   SPS
Durdin      McGovern    Fogarty
Casboult    C Curnow    Owies
Jones        Kemp          Murphy

Then bench plus medisub
E Curnow Newman JSOS Walsh / Betts

Emergencies: MEDISUB Honey O'Brien Williamson

Eddie gets medisub to hopefully limit his workload and set him up fresh for round 23 just in case it is his last game.  Smurph gets to play all day (injury aside) in his 300th, that is how it should be for anyone's 300th if the season is over, and he should retire at the final siren or better still announce it before the game.  Not that I expect he would do that,, but if I ran the club I'd tell him it's that or medisub for his 300th and see which choice he would make - but if he said medisub I'd start him anyway, his career deserves it.  I am a softy/romantic at heart.

Of course no AFL club would do such a thing but it would send such a message.  Of course the team would get pumped unless the Port coach completely stuffed up (by which I mean their bus breaks down and they don't reach the ground).  But that is the point - the players today other than the ones I have named forfeited the right to wear the first team guernsey for one week at least and it's only the rules around player lists and availability that save even them.  It was a collective failure and warrants collective consequences.  On on the point of consequences surely the Teague train has been derailed.  He should get on the phone to Clarko himself and offer him the job (and ideally stay on as senior assistant with a Roos/Goodwin deal to take over in a few years).  Again never going to happen, but then neither was my 3QT suggestion he send one assistant coach out to tell the "players" words to the effect "if you aren't going to turn up for us then we're not going to turn up for you" and then turn around and walk off.

END RANT
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre Game Promise AFL Rd21: Carlton vs Gold Coast
We can't get away with only midget rucks all game.  If TDK doesn't get up and I am hearing he won't then we need to get the tallest realistic option in.  Casboult if he is fit, given that Mirkov even if over his knee which he isn't expected to be is barely VFL level ATM.  If Casboult also doesn't come up then I think we need to craft a way to get Jones released from defensive duties to be first ruck with SOS a principal relief.  OMac probably been out too long to rush into the ones.  I think it comes down to Kemp or McG.  McG if he pulls up well is probably the better option as he gives versatility.  Eddie back if recovered which he seems confident of, likewise Williams although the official injury list suggests not.  Owies might be in trouble after another quiet game, assuming Murphy is a protected species.  Can't see too many others in the firing line.  I guess SPS is a chance at a return to reward him for responding in the right way to demotion, but if he is out the door at the end of the season as some have it (Gold Coast is the rumour I have heard) then is there much point?
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2021 trade and draft period - DRAFT NIGHT
Full disclosure, I don't know much about the girls apart from what I've read and highlights ive seen.

Having said that, I know what an aflw player looks like and how they compare. The way they run, handle the ball, kick and all that.
I also know what type of players we need.
Best I can tell, the 2 don't line up.

We have had at least 2 AA defenders and another couple that would be pretty close. We also have another handful of girls who can cover for injuries.  We do not need any more defenders. We recruited 2.

Now maybe Annie Lee is the best defender and/or best player available at our first pick.....fair enough. Some you can't pass on.
But why take another.....especially one wh can't kick?

So maybe we move one of our new defenders to the midfield....but why not recruit pure midfielders?? Some who don't have a horrible kicking action. These girls look adequate for the first season of aflw....but we are so far advanced of that now that they don't look up to scratch. They must have some elite ability I havnt seen yet because otherwise I don't get it.

I like Imogen Milford.
Fills a need. Might lack consistency, but with a bit of luck she can slot straight into the side. Doesn't have to be the main target, leave that to Vescio and Stevens. Harris replacement.

Personally I wouldve liked 3 mids, 1 forward and a ruck
We got 2 defenders, 1 mid and a forward.....with 1 spot still available.

Id give them a 4 out of 10 for our draft haul.
I think the media gave us 2.5 out of 10 for our trade period.


I don't claim any level of expertise or knowledge of the draft pool, albeit I follow the female leagues as best I can but with involvement a Div 3 local ladies team, following the AFLW and VFLW to a lesser extent, trying to catch the elite level youth girls can be a bit of a challenge.  That said I will be so bold as to express  some personal views which run counter to the above.  First I agree wholeheartedly with Krud's views of our needs, indeed Munro's pre draft comments seemed to reflect the same, subject to an overarching "best available" mantra which is fair enough especially early.  Accordingly my wish list would have been 3 mids, a tall forward and a ruck preferably capable of at least resting forward.  First up we go a classy intercept defender who also uses the ball well out of defence - might not be needs related but can live with that on a best available basis if that is the club's jugment.  She is young and gets to learn from the best and eventually take over from them.  Fair enough, but not sure if she improves the team for next year.  Second we stretch for a brilliantly athletic mid who Krud it appears - and many others - would say has kicking issues.  I agree her technique looks crap but in my viewings, and I may have missed her horror days for all I know, she can and does kick the ball well when afforded time and space, it is when she is under pressure that Sherar tends to kick poorly.  More a cade of kicking consistency than being a poor kick per se.  That can be worked on and if it is eradicated then we have good one.  But I get why there are concerns and I acknowledge the inherent big "if".  Next Vernon.  This is the one where I starkly disagree with Krud.  First she is not a defender she is a true utility albeit palying mainly down back but also serious wing time and doing it well.  Second I cannot have it that she is a poor kick.  Again maybe I missed her bad days but on my viewings to the contrary disposal is one of her strong suits.  Munro and the club certainly see it that way.  I like the pick.  Finally we get our KF and a good pick up in Milford.  Still young and improving but with some experience and runs on the board, ready to slot in day 1 and this is a player who may well improve the team from the get go.  That is the concern I have with our selections, maybe we are looking more to the future, but who improves the team for 2022?
 
The other area where I will deign to disgree with Krud is in relation to our passing on the last pick.  I understand the point about waiting and seeing who produces what in the rest of the season before commiting to our last choice and probably would generally agree with it if either the cupboard was bare or stocked with options all on much the same level.  But let's suppose you decided to go panning for gold and on your way to the river you trip over something half buried on the path.  You look to see what tripped you up and low and behold it's a massive gold nugget.  Now I ask you, do you leave it there and carry on down to the river?
That gold nugget's name is Talia Gillard and I am a massive fan.  Genuinely tall (190cm) ruck that I think could be anything.  I'd have taken her at the pointy end of the draft and couldn't believe she was still around when our last pick came up.  To have grabbed her would have made our draft to my mind and I am gutted we let her slip to the Dees a couple of picks later.  Again, obviously my view of her talents was not shared by anyone with the power to call (except maybe Melbourne who didn't come into the draft until the pick before and for all we know might have rated her atthe pointy end and been delighted she was there).  Clearly most of the experts didn't rate her near where I do and maybe they are right.  But  I'd have broken my neck to grab her.

Anyway, what is is what is and what is not is what is not as Parmenides liked to say and that is where the chips have fallen.  I am not dissppointed with our selections bar passing on Gillard but the question remains who makes us better in 2022?     And let's face it you need substantial improvement just to keep pace with the overall standard improving let alone to climb the ladder.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Reserves v Northern Biullants Sunday 27 June 2021 1pm
The team list is as follows:

4. Lochie O'Brien, 16. Jack Carroll, 17. Brodie Kemp, 24. Nic Newman, 26. Luke Parks, 29. Corey Durdin, 31. Tom Williamson, 33. Sam Ramsay, 36. Josh Honey, 37. Jordan Boyd, 46. Matthew Cottrell, 50. Ryley Stoddart, 51. Tom North, 52. James Parsons, 55. Toby Wooller, 57. Cody Hirst, 60. Aaron Gundry, 61. Luke Goetz, 62. Ben Crocker, 64. Cooper Stephens, 71. Stefan Radovanovic, 74. Ben Caluzzi, 77. Ed Delany, 78. Joel Trudgeon, 79. Dale Marshall, 80. Matt Shannon

In: Ed Delany, Luke Goetz*, Aaron Gundry, Dale Marshall, Nic Newman, Luke Parks, Sam Ramsay, Joel Trudgeon* (Northern Knights)
Out: Levi Casboult (suspension), Alex Mirkov (knee), Marc Murphy (AFL selection), Sam Petrevski-Seton (AFL selection)

Supposing Josh Honey is medical sub - it could be any of the 4 emergencies but he's the one I'd like to see rewrded, then the line-up could be something like:

Josh Honey – seniors medical sub

B   Nic Newman         Stefan Radovanovic    Ed Delany   
   
HB   Lochie O'Brien         Brodie Kemp         Luke Parks
   
C   Tom Williamson      Joel Trudgeon*           Jordan Boyd

HF   Jack Carroll              Toby Wooller         James Parsons

F   Aaron Gundry             Ben Crocker         Corey Durdin

Foll   Luke Goetz*         Matthew Cottrell      Sam Ramsay

INT from Ryley Stoddart, Tom North, Cooper Stephens, Ben Caluzzi, Dale Marshall, Matt Shannon, Cody Hirst



New names – Joel Trudgeon Northern Knights skipper an inside bull (185cm 90kg) who works hard tackles hard and uses the ball beautifully by hand.  Lot to like about this kid.
Luke Goetz 201cm 97kg ex Dogs rookie who “failed to find his feet” and was let go 5 years ago with the comment:
 “It was mutually agreed that the level of commitment required to be an AFL player was too difficult for Luke at this stage of his life” 
Now 23yo has a mature body, might be worth looking at as a cheap option to have on the list in case of an injury plague to rucks such as we now have.  Perhaps the added maturity could have solved the commitment issue?  Don’t know what he has been doing in the interim – he signed at Altona then played 4 games for Essendon reserves in 2019 but I don’t know since then.

The team as structured at least has decent height back and forward and in the ruck - not a bad start, Newman gives experience and O'Brien run and hopefully precision delivery (he has the reputation as an elite user but I see way too many bad disposals from him mixed in with the good- perhaps halfback launcher works for him), Williamson and Boyd to the wings to use their wheels and disposal, Trudgeon in the middle to see if he can bully grown men like he does U18s.  That bench I reckon is mighty strong for a VFL side.
Bullants squad (some familiar names)
Tom Wilson Zac Hart Jean-Luc Velissaris, Liam Mackie, Billy Murphy, Glenn Strachan, Dylan Stone, William Mitchell, Sunny Brazier, Matthew King, Tim Jones, Jack Murphy, Hisham Kerbatieh, Paul Ahern, Tynan Smith, Mutaz El Nour, Douglas Lawrence, Nathan Honey, Ben Hurley, Jack Boyd, Ben Silvagni, Harrison Kennedy, Matthew Gundry, Tom Mills, Kye Quirk, Daniel Hughes


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
Seriously who do they expect to give TDK a chop-out in the ruck? Risk HMAc - hell no. Jones needed down back you would think - otherwise he'd be my suggestion. That leave Cripps and Silvagni - neither more than an emergency chop-out in my view. I accept there is no-one in the 2s that could come in given Levi's suspension (shocking timing) and Mirkov's injury (not that he isn't a million miles off ready for AFL but needs must). But that is where the MC has to think laterally. Can't find a ruckman? Then find a key defender and release Jones. Kemp may not be ready but you could find out. Parks may not be up to it but at least he gives a crack. Williamson has been playing third tall down back in the 2s. Or play Silvagni down back - at least he has discipline and endeavour. Any of those moves could free up Jones to play forward where he spent most of his admittedly disappointing early career and provide TDK with relief in the ruck. Jones may not be an AFL quality forward but he is closer than many on the list and I reckon could be interesting as a running ruckman in short bursts. But given the restraints we have I guess it will be Cripps and TDK as ruck and ruckrover with Kennedy relieving Cripps and Cripps relieving TDK as needed.

As for a result, my heart wants to say we will respond to all the criticism and smack a team we are better than, and there are reasons why we could and should do that, but my head says that if Adelaide turn up prepared to keep grinding they will be confident that Carlton will eventually find it too tough and turn  it up - it is what every side in the comp thinks and they seem to be right.  Prove them wrong Baggers and fight to the end.  Then this is winnable.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre game profession of faith: AFL 2021 Rd 15: Carlton vs Adelaide
It is interesting to see the media playing up Murphy's performance.  Might be just simple laziness in looking at the stats and saying "27 possessions = played well" but more likely that spin is coming from the club which makes me think Murphy might be getting a call up. SPS on his last quarter would deserve one too - but was the last quarter the abberation or were the preeeding 3?  I'd serious;y think about telling him to turn up in the 1st next week and bring that last quarter effort and save your career.  Honey keeps putting his hand up.  I presume Parks will be an out and hopefully Plowman will be fit to replace him - otherwise the cupboard seems a bit bare, maybe Williamson but he didn't greatly impress me yesterday (or generally this year), maybe Kemp but I think he needs another couple of weeks in the 2s.  As for other outs maybe Eddie is needing a rest soon but I wouldn't be doing it for an Adelaide game.  Martin I am a fan of but if he doesn't bring more intensity than yesterday he can be made an example of.  Newnes could be given a run in the 2s not as a demotion but in recognition of his lack of game time.  You could make an argument for a few others but for a combination of reasons I suspect they will survive.  

If it were me I'd have Plowman in for Parks and Honey as sub for Newnes, but I suspect Murphy will get a gig.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL 2021 Rd ?: Carlton vs Port Melbourne
Brodie Kemp - quieter game than last but another step forward
Jordan Boyd - not the messiah but showed he has tools that might hold him in good stead
Matt Cottrell  - honest but limited
Lochie O'Brien - doesn't enthuse me
Josh Honey - doesn't do a lot but does impactful things - trial him in the 1s
Corey Durdin - working into it
Levi Casboult - best he has moved all year - or was that just the slower pace of 2s football?  If body working he should be backing up TDK in the 1s and Pittonet should be in the 2s  
Marc Murphy - doesn't seem to have the mobility or the urgency to justify getting back to the 1s
Alex Mirkov - hopefully not a bad knee - feel for the kid  
Sam Petrevski-Seton - did some nice things, did some slack things, good last qtr 
Jack Carroll - our best I thought and hope he gets a run before seasons end but probably not yet
Tom Williamson - solid but should be doing more
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW - Contracted or uncontracted?
We are taking at least 1 outside the draft IMO. Simply because of this....
The wash-up from that is that we traded away pick 29+pick 32. All we got back was moving up 1 spot (pick 12 to pick 11 and pick 27 to pick 26). Why would we lose pick 29 + 32 if we were planning on using them? We wouldn't.

Since then we traded Jess Hosking for 23 and 40.

End result is, we have 5 list spots.
Pick 10
Pick 11
Pick 23
Pick 26
Pick 40*** I don't think we'll use this pick. If we had plans to use a pick that late we wouldn't have traded away pick 29+32.

We've obviously got someone in mind.....don't know who though.

You might be right, but the other possibility is that we  have an eye on someone at 11 who might otherwise have been grabbed at 11 before our pick 12 or same scenario at 26 and 27.  However given that we swapped 11 and 12 with the Bulldogs that would suggest there wasn't someone both were red hot on at 11 - perhaps Carlton was keener than the dogs though. 

Don't see anyone leaping out at me as a DFA we'd be keen on, but you never know.   Cranston, Svarc, Monahan and Forth might interest us for different reasons.

Looking to the draft my thoughts are as follows:

We have picks 10,11,23,26 and 40 or more pertinently in the Victorian pool these are picks 6,7,14,16 & 24.

I would have thought there is no chance that either Georgia Prespakis or Charlie Rowbottom will get down to our first pick - they seem to be consensus 1 & 2 probably Rowbottom first.  After that the field seems to even out and there doesn't seem much consensus. Assuming those 2 are gone before we get a pick these seem to be the names in rough consensus order in the Victorian pool that might get through to us:

Stella REID 173cm left footed w/hf OAKLEIGH CHARGERS
Ella FRIEND 175cm tall utility GWV Rebels (ex Horsham) - might chose Geelong?
Tara SLENDER 175cm tall utility PIONEERS - mainly fwd or mid strong ohead
Nyakoat DOJIOK 175cm KD can play fwd Rebels - elite athlete but is KD where we have needs?
Tess CRAVEN 163cm in mid Geelong Falcons
Tahlia GILLARD 189cm KF/Ru Calder Cannons strong ohead but skilful on ground - rate her highly
Amanda LING 161cm mid Oakleigh - star of last GF which always bodes well for prospects of succeeding at next level
Jayde ANTHONY 166cm top ager def/util DANDENONG
Annie LEE 169cm defender GEELONG FALCONS - might chose Geelong?
Aurora SMITH 165cm defender Geelong Falcons - might choose Geelong?
Maeve CHAPLIN 162cm def/mid top ager Northern Knights has played VFLW at Blues
Poppy SCHAAP 153cm mid/fwd captain of Falcons - might choose Geelong?
Perry KING 169cm Tasmanian mid - might be claimed by North
Gabbi FEATHERSTONE 169cm KF Geelong Falcons - might chose Geelong?
Neve CROWLEY 175cm mid/fwd Calder Cannons
Megan KIELY mid NM VFLW 
Ingrid HOUTSMA 176cm wing Geelong Falcons - might choose Geelong?
Emilia YASSIR - 160cm mid/fwd Calder Cannons - some rate very highly
Maykaylah APPLEBY - 171cm wing or flank either end - quick and good disposal like this player some rate very highly
Imogen MILFORD 179cm KF Casey
Elizabeth DOWLING 171cm utility Geelong Falcons - might choose Geelong?
Oliva MEAGHER 157cm mid top ager tough EASTERN captain
Jorja BORG 182cm Ru Carlton VFLW - mature (1998 birthdate) Carlton VFLW ruck has been excellent

That takes us through to Carlton's last available pick (as I understand it) so I won't go any further other than to note a few more names connected to the Blues - Tarrah Delgado from the Knights has played with the Blues VFLW team whilst Akaylah Peterson, Ally Bild and Jennifer Lew of the VFLW team seem to show AFLW traits. 

Given the fairly broad range of opinion after the players that won't likely last to us, we may well be tempted to look to needs a fair bit.  It seems to me we need midfield speed, a rebounding defender and a KF who can pinch hit in the ruck would seem to me to be priorities.  The loss of Hosking might add an inside player into the mix but I am inclined to the view that even without her and given we have Dal Pos coming in we are more in need of the speed and a tall athlete forward/ruck.  Assuming no Prespakis or Rowbottom I'd lean towards GILLARD at first or second pick (they are back to back so no matter which) along with REID and then quick players from there on (unless we go small early in which case I'd like to see a tall later on) and maybe BORG if we want a mature ruck backup with plenty of footy ahead of her.  I see value in this - as our list currently stands if MOODY goes down we have GIBBS whi is pretty green and then no real backup for her.

Something like

GILLARD
REID
SLENDER
APPLEBY
BORG

would do me fine.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW - Contracted or uncontracted?
Given we have a strong draft hand and given that each year the quality of footballers in the graduating junior cohort keeps going up I doubt we will pick up more than 1 player outside the draft, maybe none.   One experienced player might be worth thinking about. Rocky Cranston might have a point to prove and would be a fairly like for like swap with Harris, whilst the loss we weren't expecting is inside mid Hosking and maybe an experienced hand there would be worth thinking about, but I don't know who there is worth looking at. Alternatively Phoebe Monahan is inside albeit a defender (where Hosking ended up last year) and has a long kick which is handy. AFL site has this article:

https://womens.afl/news/72742/pick-me-t ... ind-a-home

Kaslar is probably not within our age profile, Svarc would offer welcome pace off half back or wing. Forth still only 24 has a wealth of experience and no disgrace to be cut by Adelaide. Any interest in these guys, or anyone else?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast
Not sure WCE will only field the 2 talls.  If I was them I'd play Brander up forward to force Jones and Weitering to play on him and Kennedy thus leaving Darling a lesser matchup.  Only counter we would have would be to play Levi back but I don't like that in his current hobbled state.

I think either Casboult or Pittonet has to get dropped but one has to stay to give TDK a chop-out in the ruck.  I don't like the idea of anyone else in our squad doing that role.  Jones is needed down back, everyone else is either too small even as a chop-out (eg Kennedy) or too valuable to risk (eg McKay).  And what happens if TDK gets hurt or really chopped up?  I understand that you can't run too many big guys in the one team, but I believe in the principle of having a second player who you can step into the ruck even if only to give a real contest if the first ruck goes down 2 minutes into Q1 and someone to give them a brief chop-out in that event.  I call this the chief/relief/brief combination.  Obviously the brief has to be able to earn their keep in a different primary role and the relief ideally same or at least be able to contribute in another role eg key position.  A fit Casboult does that, Pittonet doesn't and TDK is a work in progress as a forward even more so than as a ruck.  Jones is also able to ruck and showed quite a lot in the 2s at the time of his renaisance but he is too necessary in defence at least at the moment, especially against teams that have at least 2 genuine tall forwards if not 3.  A returning McGovern or McDonald, an up to speed Kemp or maybe a mideseason draft pick-up might open up Jones, as might a fit Cas, but they might be as good up forward or filling in as ruck and leaving Jones in defence.

This week we can do one of two things - minimalist changes or major shake-up.  To date this year I have been taking the minimalist changes approach (not as minimalist as the match committee prior to this week) but this week I would be open to more of a shakeup.  But without details of the performances in the scratch match it is a bit hard to know who might warrant the call-up.  I doubt Kemp is yet ready, and Fisher will probably need a run in the 2s (out for a similar time to Martin and I think we all saw Jack needed a run in the 2s) but Dow, Honey, Kennedy, Newnes, O'Brien, Parks and SPS might all come into consideration.  Who to go out?  Gibbons a given, Casboult, Cottrell, Murphy, Pittonet, Setterfield, Owies all a chance to be dropped.  I'd be tempted to give Owies another week and further to my above ruck comments keep one off Casboult or Pittonet - if his knee is up to it I'd keep Casboult and drop Pittonet.  Let TDK pit his athleticism against the benchkmark - Pitt would be slaughtered.  So something like:

Saad              Jones       Weitering
Newman        JSOS         Williams
Docherty      Cripps          Walsh
Fogarty       Casboult      Martin
Betts              McKay       Owies
TDK              Stocker     E Curnow
Best 5 from
(incoming)  Dow, Honey, Kennedy, Newnes, O'Brien, Parks and SPS
(reprieved) Cottrell, Murphy, Pittonet, Setterfield
My stab (given I know nothing of the performances in the scratch match)
Dow, Honey, Parks, SPS / Kennedy as injury sub (can cover multiple roles).