Change the forwards all you like it won't make a difference till we fix the delivery.
Sure our conversion rate has also been poor but it's not like Charlie and TDK have been dropping sitters. We are the worst team in the comp at brining the ball inside 50.
lemmey and mcmahon both need good delivery because they arent that competitive one on one.
I have no problem selecting Lemmey or not selecting him.
I have a problem with the outrage associated with why/why not.
Its clear as the day is long as to why, you just have to have seen him play footy. I told you that McMahon > Lemmey.
Thats the Greater than symbol in McMahon's direction.
I get the grade 3 mathematical symbols, thanks.
You've made your stance clear, i get it.
Riddle me this. If his likelyhood of success follows the function y=1/x with x being time (that is, it gets closer to zero the further along you go ) then why does he have a spot on our list? This year has been by far his best year and its been so much better than previous years. Yes, i've watched him play this year. I have also watched him play years past, which is why i've seen such a big improvement in him this year, so what is the point of having him on a list, if he improves and STILL doesn't get a gig? Its not like we couldn't find another small forward to put on the list instead of him, as is our way. He was named as an emergency last week. If he is so far away, why do that??
Honestly, i couldn't give a rats behind if he is on our list next year or not. My issue is our MC fail to do anything remotely progressive and reward good form. Instead, we pick players who had good form, lost it, but now get a game because....why not. Chances are Lemmey will go goalless for the next 2 weeks, and then get a callup where he will have zero confidence, completely out of form and have zero chance of success....and THAT will be when i say i told you so.
We do the same thing all the time. Ben Campo.....good form....not picked....now can't be picked, but will most likely get a game at the end of the year when he's had no form to speak of. Last year it was Jaxon Binns. Was in form, lost it, then got a callup. Year on year its the same. This year, its Lemmey......and to a lesser extent Ben Campo, but at least he's in his first year.
then how come you missed it the first time?
Again, I'm happy for lemmey to play, I understand why he's not.
In fact the thing you mention about player selection might be the driving reason behind the coach losing his job.
That being said, I dont see Sam Mitchell dropping James Sicily at the moment, and he has been very so so since he got injured. Im sure theyve got a young kid in decent form at box hill that could take his spot.
When push comes to shove this is not lemmeys year to shine at Carlton and I dont have the answers, I just know he isnt showing afl level quality in a vfl competition. Neither was mcmahon. Both have played 1 game respectively.
There's been plenty of players drafted who never fired their shot at afl level.
Lods, I have explained my position. If you want a full forward, with the turning circle, athleticism of the titanic, play him.
If you dont, dont. Denver Grainger Barras performed as a key forward in a more competitive and athletic style (thus far), and he was regarded as a bit of a non competitor at AFL level.
There was outrage when we didnt select McMahon (may or may not be justified, time will tell) but on evidence, its not so outrageous.
There is outrage when Lemmey isnt "given a game" when he thus far has shown nothing aside from being tall and finishing his work well enough.
I actually want to see him get a chance, but he isnt being held back by an inept MC who is wanting to select anyone but him, which is how it reads on this forum.
Why oh why wouldn't we be playing Harry Lemmey? Even if just to keep a key defender away from Charlie C. Surely the time to try Lemmey at AFL level is when Harry McKay is out injured? Is it time to arrange a members poll?
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Watch Essendon last night. Remember that Liam McMahon>Harry Lemmey (based on performances at VFL level).
McMahon kicked two goals from 5 posessions and one Tackle and one mark.
One of the goals of which was a free that wasn't there.
Odds are, we will get that performance out of Lemmey, without the not there free kick.
If there is one thing that voss and the MC could have done differently across the journey its match selection.
On last week's vfl game Saad shouldn't come in ahead of Wilson or Boyd. Not sure why Flynn young is in every week either when he was so so at vfl level and not great last week against Brisbane.
Are we at the point where you're more likely to go if you're getting a game?
I'm tempted at times to retain Fantasia because he has some idea about playing as a small forward, but his body simply isn't up to it anymore. It's a sad indictment on the group when a bloke who is essentially finished is our only small forward with any footballing IQ.
Yep. Its an opportunity cost discussion. We see it with Fantasia. Thing is, its not just playing as a small forward goal sneak. He does high half forward creative stuff, and can play on a wing too. He is also a player that can swim against the tide. Doesnt rely on the team playing well to make an impact like others who tend to go in and out of a game.
So, contract money isnt a factor, he wont be on much given his history and options. List position has become less of an issue. The opportunity cost isnt as great with the long term injury list and pre season top up players. You get to replace him if you gamble and he breaks down, (but only if you put a line through him for the season) so at worst he only occupies a spot for half a year. HOWEVER, you are then on top up players from the VFL. The mid season draftees make an impact but they arent long term prospects (ordinarily). Draft wise, its just pick 80 odd thats replacing him, or the ability to retain a different player. I wonder had we not signed Fantasia, do we let go of Kennedy and Owies the same way? Hard to tell.
Ultimately, it wouldnt surprise me to keep him. He is an experienced head, that actually might show leadership, something we need more of not less of. He turns 30 in September. Perhaps if we looked like challenging without him, you would gamble on him, but I dont see the point. Id say to him keep training and approach 2026 like you are on the list, and we will relist you as a top up player if someone is ruled out for the year. Its only happened for the last 10 years in a row for us where someone has a pre season breakdown so odds are pretty good. He probably wont get a look in anywhere else anyway.
Sanity prevails if thats the case. Tristan Xerris 3 weeks for the Melbourne hit is reason why theyve been way too heavy handed with Ben for what was in essence a push gone wrong. You will see his action 100 times over a weekend, where players are being pushed into their own teamates. Xerris hardly ever.
London to a brick they'll nail Cerra..MRO and tribunal, clueless, zero common sense
Players were warned multiple offenders would be sanctioned for umpire contact, Cerra like Rowell is a repeat offender so he should have taken more care. Yet another example of our players lack of awareness on field. They keep making the same mistakes week after week, have you noticed how many frees Cerra has given away deep in defence lately? Constantly putting his arms around the fwd which the umps are looking for and are hot on.
I dont know how you avoid an umpire when you cant see him. Its not like he was facing the ump and ran into him.
Neale if anything used the umpire to break the tag. Not enough being said about that.
There was another factor. Stocker was reportedly a bit full of himself after the trade SOS pulled to get him.
A delisting may have knocked him down a couple of pegs.
He also was another SOS player that has been an also ran from the first round.
Ultimately, he only stepped away from the club in 2020, and we gave him 2 seasons to prove himself after that. My last memory of Stocker was him barely getting a touch, and not exactly getting near an opponent in a must draw/win match vs Collingwood in Round 23.
Had a smidge of the FIGJAMS from all reports. Who knows for sure. We could sure have used him this season if he was willing to build a tank, but he hasnt been amazing for the Saints either.
Use the mechanisms available. You dont waste a list spot on a player anymore, you actually get a free hit at a top up, and it provides a method to continue supporting Elijah, keep him on the list, and not cost us.
IMHO, I would be keeping him and trying to get him right. The problem begins with knowing how far gone he is.
Obviously that cant continue forever, but you have to make provisions at times, and try get the player right, unless football is something that is no good for him.
) then why does he have a spot on our list?