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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension
I reckon Robert Walls has a pretty good handle on how much Thomas is being paid and I accept his assertion that Thomas is our highest paid player on at least $700K.

Even if he was on $450K for four years with an option for a fifth year, it would still rate as on of our worst list management decisions.

Is that with or without excess loading on a contract?

Hypothetically speaking its possible that he was right in that particular 12 month period, but if rumours are to be believed, the captain is actually the highest paid player at the club, and not Daisy.  That might not have been true of 2015, but it would have been true of their total contractual amount.

Which means we have been front loading Daisy's contract, which might explain why he is on 700k per year.  We might have given him an entire year of his contract in the last 2.  Given where our list is at, I would expect this to be the case because we dont have that many high earners at the club and the ones we do, would also be on front loaded contracts.

This means that Walls can be right, and LP's point might also be accurate.

I suspect that the dollar values of contract don't necessary coincide with what we pay in wages per season, and we must be due to have a fair chunk of salary cap space available for use in a year or two to put towards a Treloar type player.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2016 - Rnd 1 Carlton vs Richmond
He isn't a proven failure under Bolton.

Keep in mind his last two coaches were Mick Malthouse and McCartney.

Either way, we are looking at draft pick 1-8 at best this season.   More likely top 5.  Might as well let the team work out the role of the bloke playing key forward and worry about who it is next year.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2016 - Rnd 1 Carlton vs Richmond
If we want to work on our game plan then we need to play at least one preferably two true key position sized forwards. 

Levi will be one.

The other has to be Liam Jones on his three goal effort.

Have to reward results even if he is crap.

We have the following key position forward options.

Gorringe
Casboult
Jones
Jaksch
Plowman
McKay
Sosos

Of that lot most are unproven,  one looks capable (Casboult) and the other is Jones.

We go Jones and Levi until others get fit and oust them from our team IMHO.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension
Mate I beg to differ. We had already recovered from that under Ratts, the decision to sack him and appoint Mick, or moreover (IMO) the move to get Swann over from Collingwood, was the beginning of the end.

Differ all you like.  Sticks pause regarding Rattens future if Malthouse wasnt available spoke volumes about the footy club.  The decision was not made in isolation to Swann.


At the end of the day we have moved on.  Forget these fossils, they are in the past, and thats where they are staying.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension
The answer to that is quite simple, he is Mick and Swann's son and Swanny wanted to complete the quinella re looking after his favourite people.

maybe Carrots, but if its true, then our club was in dire straights and had no hope of pulling out of that mess with any credibility.

I don't know an organisation that is run by a CEO in isolation without input from many people which indicates we had multiple points of failure regarding all those poor decisions made.


In any case we have put it behind us, and no matter how bad these decisions were:

1.  We have moved on.
2.  It wont be a millstone that plagues us for more than a couple of years.
3.  We shouldnt lose any young talent on the back of not having cap room as we frankly have SFA players left worth paying big dollars to anyway.
4.  Regardess of what has happened, our future is looking up with SOS driving our policies in similar fashion to last year.

last but most importantly:

5.  As abysmal as our decision making has proven to be, nothing has/or ever will hurt us as much as the decisions that the Collins administration made on the back of the poor decisions made by Elliott which has brought our club to the position its in today.  We may have navagated out of our current mess much earlier with some better administration, but nothing compares to what happend back in 2004.  The decision to cut ties with Brittain was just one poor decision in a long line of other poor decisions, but the breaches and penalties have rendered us a basket case beyond anything else we have or ever will experience ever again.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension
I reckon there is some dodgy mathematics being applied with regards to these contracts.

I think people are looking at the years of contract combined with a figure we might have paid in one particular year (where front loading may have been performed) and multiplying by 5 to end up with a result that gives them ammunition to sling mud at our club.

Daisy is rumoured to have been on anywhere between 600k and 750 a season.

That doesnt mean he will get that money every season, but it might have been a figure he was on at this point.  When you consider he was a restricted free agent, and Collingwood were only offering 450k a year plus bonuses (using this article as a relevant point) why would we indeed have gone double?

The answer is most likely that we havent.  I believe his actual contract would be closer to 600k a year (still too much for what we have gotten/getting) and that there is a bit of creative accounting being used everywhere to simply pot the club like people are used to doing.

Front loading may have put him on a big packet in one season, but that would have had as much to do with us having cap wiggle room as anything else.  We had Fev on 750k odd a few years ago, and we lured Judd at that time on a similar number, the cap space has increased quite signficantly since then, and we have no where near the salaries now that we did then.  We must have heaps of room.  We may have our biggest contracts being paid out as we speak leaving us signficant room available to play with moving forward which is all Im genuinly concerned about.

Its possible that Daisy's 5th year might only cost us a few of hundred thousand as we have paid him the rest of his money already.  We probably wont find out for sure but no doubt some will use this as ammunition against our footy club as there are certain media types that are constantly having a go at our footy club.  They are effectively kicking us whilst we are down, and Daisy is an easy target because the footy he is producing is putrid, and he is on a high price even for a good ordinary footballer.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension
Isn't Bolton the fifth of Clarkson's protégés currently coaching against him?

I suspect Clarkson doesn't give a fat rat's clacker about our long term prospects and will simply be focused on winning on the day.  He and his players will perhaps be expecting a more physical game from us but they won't be changing the way they go about their footy.

Which is exactly why its full of hubris.

He thinks he is too good to have to knock off his proteges and accordingly will stick to what he does, till everyone out Hawthorns Hawthorn.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Daisy charged for striking Laidler! - can accept 1 game suspension
Bolton could not have found a more accurate or quicker way to make our lot feel "Comfortable at being uncomfortable" than to force them to play physically accountable and intimidating football. For most of the last decade the only people we have been any good at intimidating or bullying have been our own!

So "Unity" and "Become Comfortable at Being Uncomfortable". Watch Clarkson's tactics against us very closely, he will be desperate to pick this apart especially if it looks like being the seeds of long term success! ;)

Hubris is a funny thing.

I think Clarkson will want to try and pick this apart, but on some level he will be pleased that it will be his protege to knock him off if anyone is going to do it.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Journey - Tues 15/3 830pm Fox Footy
Going to watch this tonight but aren't we going a little early with the fluff pieces?

Its possibly the only time we will be able to do them without wearing too much criticism and its going to be important that this side of the club is shown because I don't believe the work we are doing now will immediately yield positive results and its more about selling and obtaining supporter buy in to "the Journey".

If you think about it, when we are roughly 4-16 (havent looked at the fixture, but its a likely scenario) if they were to release this, it would be harder for people to swallow and this is a snippet into a lot of work being done.

After watching it, you'll notice that its pretty much a compilation of a lot of different videos that the club has made thus far.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2016 - Rnd 1 Carlton vs Richmond
I thought it was on the back of a superb hitout from Kreuzer  ???

Lamb did lay a few tackles but it was a pretty ordinary performance from a bloke who is trying to establish himself in a new team.  He will have to do a lot better to avoid playing out the season with the NBs.

Maybe it was the second one he scored.

Lamb was tackling players whilst swans were handballing and Kerridge read it off the hands and pounced to score.

If Lamb wasnt tackling, rather than handballing backwards, the swans would probably have had an easier time rebounding.