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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
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Ill predict Zac will struggle to get into the side in 2024. Salaries and reputations count for nothing with Vossy.
I agree but big contracts always create and obligation imho to play those players ahead of Joe average when positions are tight and there isn't much between the players on form and ability.
Never seen ZW play an outstanding game to be honest either for us or GWS so it will be interesting to see what he can bring and what all the hype on him is about.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications
Last post by DJC -
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Could be argued that those 8 losses in 9 games cost us a flag. As MBB said, we were playing sudden death matches to many weeks, then had to front up to two of the hardest, contested going in the finals. Hence we are banged up and cooked by the PF. Not only that, we had to do it in Brisbane too.

That's the way I see it.  The loss to Brisbane at Marvel screwed our season.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications
Last post by laj -
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Fans underestimate the toll playing the Swans and Melbourne consecutively took on the squad, Top 4 with a week off is a huge advantage, and teams only have a chance from the bottom half of the eight if one of the top teams has some bad luck.

If the team has a problem it was the start to the season, not the finals effort.

Could be argued that those 8 losses in 9 games cost us a flag. As MBB said, we were playing sudden death matches to many weeks, then had to front up to two of the hardest, contested going in the finals. Hence we are banged up and cooked by the PF. Not only that, we had to do it in Brisbane too.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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Unknown quantity imho and I'd be making him earn his spot.
Cincotta earned his place in the team and even Boyd deserves to start ahead of him initially after performing well in the prelim.
Ill predict Zac will struggle to get into the side in 2024. Salaries and reputations count for nothing with Vossy.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications
Last post by madbluboy -
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Fans underestimate the toll playing the Swans and Melbourne consecutively took on the squad, Top 4 with a week off is a huge advantage, and teams only have a chance from the bottom half of the eight if one of the top teams has some bad luck.



We essentially played half a dozen finals before the finals. Every week was do or die.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2023: A review
Last post by DJC -
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I don't think thats the game plan.  I think thats what you call errant and rushed ball use.  No one goes out there intending to hit an opponent with each and every kick.

For me, it comes down to game management.  We were 5 goals up, conceded 2 in the second quarter, and instead of recognising a momentum swing had occurred, we continued taking the game on and playing fast, which led to quick kicks up the line, and long bombing.

That was the mistake.  At some point you need to kill the momentum game, by playing kick mark football and that arrests the momentum.  Instead we seemed to have gone into scoring mode which is anathema to maintaining a lead, and also exposes you to a red hot opponent who is currently on the ascendency scoring against you almost seemingly at will.

I'm not sure that slowing the tempo would have done much more than delay the inevitable Thry.  I think that we had too many banged up players and too many who weren't able to play at their best for whatever reason.  They were trying to counter Brisbane but too many just couldn't match their opponents on the day.  The fact that it wasn't a blow out is a tribute to some very hard working players but I think that cloning Sam Walsh is probably the only way we could win.

Game plans always get a tweak or two but I wouldn't like to see ours change that much.  A bit more polish on the execution wouldn't go astray.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: 2023: A review
Last post by Thryleon -
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i am rapt we played finals and won a couple of games but what concerns me is our game plan /style for me it is no good . There is no other team that kicks ball straight to opposition so many times through out a game ,so what happens turnover opponents easy goals . But we played finals yes and we won but how lucky were we with syd /melb in inaccuracies . Need to IMPROVE transition footy from defence to forward line for 24

I don't think thats the game plan.  I think thats what you call errant and rushed ball use.  No one goes out there intending to hit an opponent with each and every kick.

For me, it comes down to game management.  We were 5 goals up, conceded 2 in the second quarter, and instead of recognising a momentum swing had occurred, we continued taking the game on and playing fast, which led to quick kicks up the line, and long bombing.

That was the mistake.  At some point you need to kill the momentum game, by playing kick mark football and that arrests the momentum.  Instead we seemed to have gone into scoring mode which is anathema to maintaining a lead, and also exposes you to a red hot opponent who is currently on the ascendency scoring against you almost seemingly at will.