In many ways the last time we played was a nadir for us this season. The Meat Pies proved that they couldn't beat anyone, and yet they defeated us in one of the more listless performances I can remember.
Well, the time has come for our redemption, but the Collingwood we play this time is definitely on the improve. It also has Grundy, who has thrashed us in recent years.
So, the question arises, can we right the wrong from early in the season? Can we overcome Grundy? We have struggled for wins against the Meat Pies now for years and have now allowed them to skip ahead of us. We lifted to play the Drug Cheats: can we do so against our oldest foe?
If Casboult and Jones don't come up next week, then we are in diabolical trouble.
If Casboult and Jones don't come up next week, then we are in diabolical trouble.
Cripps looked banged up from the start too....4 kicks, 15 handballs and 1 tackle tells me he cant run or kick well with that injured foot and had to play when we lost Jones and Casboult. Think he copped a Thigh or Corkie too...he needs resting but might have to play again.
And then the Meat Pies beat Richmond. My God!
Coll by 24?
If Collingwood smell blood, we'll likely need a quarter time transfusion.
And then the Meat Pies beat Richmond. My God!
Yes convincingly too, they thumped the tigers good.
Grundy , Pendelbury, Elliot, Thomas, DeGoey and others was very excellent good , ia strong team effort. Harvey has the Pies firing again they we’re awesome in the last quarter. Very scary
Yes convincingly too, they thumped the tigers good.
Grundy , Pendelbury, Elliot, Thomas, DeGoey and others was very excellent good , ia strong team effort. Harvey has the Pies firing again they we’re awesome in the last quarter. Very scary
You can add Adams to that group too was BOG imo, hopefully they have a let down and we catch them still celebrating the Tigers win.They have those awkward players its hard to find matchups for like DeGoey and Elliott and of course have a quality ruckman with now better support in Cameron who seems to have improved. Good test for Teague and these games are always 50/50 no matter where the teams are on the ladder. But we need Jones and Casboult back, we wont get away with Jack rucking in this game, Pickett was used in that role today and it was a fail vs the two big Pie rucks.
Darcy Moore out from last time we played them though is a big loss and might give Harry a chance to have more influence..
Yup no Moore nor Daicos helps us fior certain, not sure what we do about Grundy he’ll just take control of the game.
Keep our fingers crossed they turn up off the mark and over confident. Go Blues
Those predictions of 11 wins for the season are looking mighty shaky. We'll struggle to field a side by the end given the current rate of attrition. Some bold coaching and selections required.
Some bold coaching and selections required.
Not sure the coaches have much to contribute if the injury situation persists, they are holding back the dam but they can't stop the flood.
Carroll and Honey were OK in that mixed VFL team vs Box Hill game.
Got nothing to lose by playing them...
Exactly. Give Setterfield the flick, contributes nothing. Run Carroll against the batch of light, quick Pie kids. At least he'll crack in and keep up. Honey in for Martin. That ditches another passenger. What's to lose, were fading out in 2021 as it is.
Have we traded out any 2021 draft picks? If not, we’ll have the usual ambivalence towards late-season wins.
Carroll and Honey were OK in that mixed VFL team vs Box Hill game.
Got nothing to lose by playing them...
Carroll has been OK since his return, well worth a HBF crack or perhaps to give Martin a rest.
Until I see Honey play 4-Qtrs at VFL level I think he's not an option, we'd be rewarding the guy a game for all the wrong reasons and sending a very bad message. There is nobody currently playing in our F50 that deserves to be replaced by Honey. Even the players on one leg seem to work harder than him!
Have we traded out any 2021 draft picks? If not, we’ll have the usual ambivalence towards late-season wins.
There's an article from late April this year, that suggests we have 1st 2nd and 4th round draft picks intact. At the time of writing, we had picks 6,25 and 61.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/603145/indicative-draft-order-check-out-your-clubs-picks
GoPies, then :P
The Casboult/ Jones outs had me thinking we may have already started 'player management'. ;)
We'll probably know for sure when Cripps has an issue that keeps him sidelined for the rest of the year.
A couple of our youngsters look like they need a game too. ;)
Going to be easy to sack Teague if we have run up the white flag and gone the tanking route....not sure thats fair on him if we start playing too many kids and get cleaned up badly from here on in.
I thought we had rebuilt and only needed draft picks to trade for top up cream on the cake players?.....😉
LP... "there's nobody in our F50 that deserves to be replaced by Honey".
So, Martin's last month has really impressed you?
LP... "there's nobody in our F50 that deserves to be replaced by Honey".
So, Martin's last month has really impressed you?
No, but even so what Honey delivered in the VFL isn't making him a viable replacement.
Sure, it looks like Martin needs a rest, but just as we can't have guys retain spots by default, we can't have guys get promotions by default. Undeserved promotion frames a horrible culture, they'll can't just fork around in the 2s until some bastard trips over in the 1s!
Carroll has played good games since returning from injury, give him a run.
Are we forgetting about Fisher? Surely he comes in for Martin.
GoPies, then :P
Well its at the point (have been for a while) where finals a virtually no chance so no point in flogging players like:
Cripps
Martin
Williams
Jones
And risking players:
Curnow
Gov
Fisher
Gibbons
"Play the kids and manage the injured".
Going to be easy to sack Teague if we have run up the white flag and gone the tanking route....not sure thats fair on him if we start playing too many kids and get cleaned up badly from here on in.
I thought we had rebuilt and only needed draft picks to trade for top up cream on the cake players?.....😉
Not its not, look at the injury list? Why flog them more? We'll be lucky to win a couple more. Time for the peanuts in charge to grow some balls, back the coach and develop him and the team into finals contenders. Stop taking the "easy route" which has proven wrong time and time again.
No, but even so what Honey delivered in the VFL isn't making him a viable replacement.
Sure, it looks like Martin needs a rest, but just as we can't have guys retain spots by default, we can't have guys get promotions by default. Undeserved promotion frames a horrible culture, they'll can't just fork around in the 2s until some bastard trips over in the 1s!
Carroll has played good games since returning from injury, give him a run.
Agree with Prof, Honey is a decent size and AFL ready, Martin has been average and needs a rest. We complain about conversion
and that is a strength of Honey, he is a good kick and opportunist.
Carroll deserves a game as well....maybe start him as the sub then introduce him properly the next week as he isnt as built as Honey and let him have a look/ a quarter of footy with the pace off the game.
Whats do we have to lose?.....we need to find fresh talent rather than rotating deckchairs.
It's funny but I would look at putting Martin on the Half Back flank. Even at VFL level. Get him in the game a little more.
Going to be easy to sack Teague if we have run up the white flag and gone the tanking route....not sure thats fair on him if we start playing too many kids and get cleaned up badly from here on in.
I thought we had rebuilt and only needed draft picks to trade for top up cream on the cake players?.....😉
If it becomes obvious that we are 'player managing' that probably means coaching decisions have been made and Teague would be aware of it...it would indicate to me that he's more likely to have been told he's got the extra 12 months of his contract.
Not its not, look at the injury list? Why flog them more? We'll be lucky to win a couple more. Time for the peanuts in charge to grow some balls, back the coach and develop him and the team into finals contenders. Stop taking the "easy route" which has proven wrong time and time again.
Bar Essendon, all the sides above us have tough games this week. Reckon a win puts us one game out with not that tough a draw.
Not its not, look at the injury list? Why flog them more? We'll be lucky to win a couple more. Time for the peanuts in charge to grow some balls, back the coach and develop him and the team into finals contenders. Stop taking the "easy route" which has proven wrong time and time again.
Even by our (in my opinion) appalling standards, sacking Teague after two and a half seasons, with all the attendant issues those seasons have brought, would be a new low point.
If it becomes obvious that we are 'player managing' that probably means coaching decisions have been made and Teague would be aware of it...it would indicate to me that he's more likely to have been told he's got the extra 12 months of his contract.
Suspect he has been assured of another year with Clarko in the wings for 2023 if needed.
Suspect he has been assured of another year with Clarko in the wings for 2023 if needed.
I'm thinking Lyon..... and Clarko picking out of Pies, GWS and maybe Suns....Hardwick is my smokey if not Lyon.
Not my way as I would stick with Teague and give him 3 years.
Those predictions of 11 wins for the season are looking mighty shaky. We'll struggle to field a side by the end given the current rate of attrition. Some bold coaching and selections required.
Yeah, when i wrote that it was with all things being equal and given that we were getting players back.
I think we have close to double the amount of injuries we had at the time of that prediction.
Injuries are not an excuse, they are a reason.
TBH, i thought we'd get a 10 goal loss when i heard the outs last week. Boys did us proud. They are hanging in there, but surely the finger in the dyke will eventually fail.
I just hope its not this week.
I'm thinking Lyon..... and Clarko picking out of Pies, GWS and maybe Suns....Hardwick is my smokey if not Lyon.
Not my way as I would stick with Teague and give him 3 years.
Agree.
Will not renew memberships if Teague goes and Lyon comes in. No way.
I'm thinking Lyon..... and Clarko picking out of Pies, GWS and maybe Suns....Hardwick is my smokey if not Lyon.
Not my way as I would stick with Teague and give him 3 years.
Fair enough EB. It will likely be one of those three. The Pies will probably go hard fo Clarko IMO.
Bar Essendon, all the sides above us have tough games this week. Reckon a win puts us one game out with not that tough a draw.
We may as well be last, not a hope in hell of making finals, "develop" the team for next year.
Agree.
Will not renew memberships if Teague goes and Lyon comes in. No way.
Lyon would grind our way to finals but he himself is unproven as a Premiership coach and would need to have altered his game plan ideas to be able to formulate a plan to kick bigger scores.
He understands the game well and I like his analysis work but can he coach in the modern era?
A lot of Blues fans would probably be happy with regular finals which he would probably provide and thats where the temptation is. He was a micro manager at Freo and didnt bother too much with what his assistants though , as we have seen today its a team effort now in the coaching box and poor assistants usually lead to poor results.
Lot of iffs and buts with Ross compared to Clarkson and Hardwick...
We may as well be last, not a hope in hell of making finals, "develop" the team for next year.
If we win the 3 ones we should win and the two 50/50s we get in actually. Did the predictor and gave us those games just a logistic exercise. Being Carlton, not sure we are actually winning all those of course but that is how it stands. Might end up more 9 to 10 wins but while you are there you keep going. Anything else just reinforces our loser mentality, which is the last thing we want. More we win, the more the winning mentality starts to sink in.
Fair enough EB. It will likely be one of those three. The Pies will probably go hard fo Clarko IMO.
Cookie...Clarko looks like he has had enough and wants a retirement coaching job...looks tired of it all and when you hear him speak its about family, work life balance, could be here in Aus he says or overseas doing other things.
You and I as retiree's would know those feelings and I'd be questioning his commitment...if I have to spend extra or pander to get him to commit then I probably wouldnt be interested.
Lyon wants a premiership to define him as a great because he has an ego, and Hardwick wants a fresh start to drag back some of that respect he has lost IMHO.......
Hardwick was treading water until he got Balme, and other assistants around him to provide proper support. Unless he gets that at Carlton, he won't be a good get IMO.
Hardwick was treading water until he got Balme, and other assistants around him to provide proper support. Unless he gets that at Carlton, he won't be a good get IMO.
I think any of the big name coaches will pick their own assistants, Lyon is probably the one who cares less about assistants as he ran more of a Dictatorship and assistants to him were like handmaids....
Lyon would grind our way to finals but he himself is unproven as a Premiership coach and would need to have altered his game plan ideas to be able to formulate a plan to kick bigger scores.
He understands the game well and I like his analysis work but can he coach in the modern era?
A lot of Blues fans would probably be happy with regular finals which he would probably provide and thats where the temptation is. He was a micro manager at Freo and didnt bother too much with what his assistants though , as we have seen today its a team effort now in the coaching box and poor assistants usually lead to poor results.
Lot of iffs and buts with Ross compared to Clarkson and Hardwick...
We don't have the ball skills to play a defensive style game Lyon would bring. That was borne out last week. It's tough enough for most sides to use it well in that situation, let alone us.
We don't have the ball skills to play a defensive style game Lyon would bring. That was borne out last week. It's tough enough for most sides to use it well in that situation, let alone us.
Not sure how well Lyons defence would be with the 6-6-6 rule.
Not sure how well Lyons defence would be with the 6-6-6 rule.
There is that too.
They are 15th on the ladder for a reason. We have failed in every single test to beat the better teams which is hard enough to except in year 6 of a rebuild but lose ones like this week and there is no denying we are again still a bottom 4 team. Yep we have injuries but they are also missing their 2 best players who dominated us in the first game.
Time for some to stand up - we have been very patient with Martin and Williams and made excuses why they don't live up to the hype well i say enough is enough. Overdue they repay the faith and start to bloody earn their hefty pay check. We have gone from all eggs in the Cripps basket to all our eggs in the Walsh and Weitering basket as Cripps is busted.
Well overdue for others to share the load - we are going no where until we stop complaining about things out of control and start focusing on areas we can control. We have been sh1thouse for too long and every year its a new set of 'reasons' why we are still sh1te.
Massive week IMO to see what our club is made of and who wants this win more.
We don't have the ball skills to play a defensive style game Lyon would bring. That was borne out last week. It's tough enough for most sides to use it well in that situation, let alone us.
Think Lyon would be big on midfield defensive pressure and not allowing teams easy entry into the forward line. There would be a lot more emphasis on accountability running both ways. If you watch him on footy class he goes off his brain at players being allowed to run unchecked and create overlaps or increased numbers at contests.
Freo were a full on big bodied physical pressure team who wore teams into the ground but lacked finishers who could kick a winning score. I think he would find the balance hard to achieve with our list as it stands and would need to make changes or really reverse the playing style of many of our players.
Agree.
Will not renew memberships if Teague goes and Lyon comes in. No way.
I get what you mean @Mickey0, I would be gutted (yet again) if we sacked another coach. But the jumper is bigger than everything else and I would muster up the courage to front up (again) no matter how angry I was with the peanuts running the show. The 22 that run out every week need us.
I get what you mean @Mickey0, I would be gutted (yet again) if we sacked another coach. But the jumper is bigger than everything else and I would muster up the courage to front up (again) no matter how angry I was with the peanuts running the show. The 22 that run out every week need us.
Whilst I agree and did when they appointed MM who I absolutely thought was the wrong person etc etc, and then again with Bolton who I gave a lot of leeway to, I think DT is right for this group, more so than Lyon. Hardwick is a tool and no thanks again.
Clarke, as much as it pains me, I could understand the club going for and would accept that SO LONG as he’s not on a book tour a la MM !
But do think stick with DT, there’s something more there - I hope we see success with him.
Hardwick is a tool and no thanks again.
Hardwick is being exposed as a bit lucky in the draw of the cards, when his man Cotchin was the defacto on field coach and flying everything was easy for Dimma, now that Cotchin is either burnt or broken it seems Dimma is looking as clueless as any!
Hardwick is being exposed as a bit lucky in the draw of the cards, when his man Cotchin was the defacto on field coach and flying everything was easy for Dimma, now that Cotchin is either burnt or broken it seems Dimma is looking as clueless as any!
Tigers have lost the hunger, nothing else for them to achieve, happens to the best of teams....they need a clean out, new coach so they can reset their goals and start the journey again.
I saw them give up chasing vs the Pies, they dont give a feck anymore...
I liked the suggestion earlier in this thread of Martin to the HBF as he can tackle and mark and can use it well. He just tends to go missing up forward.
However with Martin, Willians and Saad all in defence, that’s a seriously expensive small defensive fleet!
I liked the suggestion earlier in this thread of Martin to the HBF as he can tackle and mark and can use it well. He just tends to go missing up forward.
Not much of a chaser unless the whim takes him - leave him in the forward pocket.
I'd rest Martin and play Honey...the former is either injured or cant be bothered. Honey is a decent kick for goal and and surprisingly not an undersized tadpole like we usually recruit. Interesting to see if Collingwood play a kid called Jack Ginnivan who is similar and been in great form in the twos.
Not much of a chaser unless the whim takes him - leave him in the forward pocket.
In the VFL?
I'd rest Martin and play Honey...the former is either injured or cant be bothered. Honey is a decent kick for goal and and surprisingly not an undersized tadpole like we usually recruit. Interesting to see if Collingwood play a kid called Jack Ginnivan who is similar and been in great form in the twos.
Dead eye dick when kicking too is Jack. Had to rub my eyes for a moment thinking Stocker was playing Sunday.
Wish we kept finding players who couldn't miss a goal if they tried.
We seem to have a bunch that resemble a car accident with accuracy and it took Matthew owies to buck that trend.
Dead eye dick when kicking too is Jack. Had to rub my eyes for a moment thinking Stocker was playing Sunday.
Wish we kept finding players who couldn't miss a goal if they tried.
We seem to have a bunch that resemble a car accident with accuracy and it took Matthew owies to buck that trend.
Owies is an intelligent player, he gets a lot of his shots in front of goal or only on slight angles.
Harry seems to take his shots from every angle when he gets them and when he leads to the dead pocket for a left footer he
gives himself no chance. Buddy can kick those but not many other players can....
Owies just has the smarts to find that open space in high percentage shooting areas to make his life easier.
Owies is an intelligent player, he gets a lot of his shots in front of goal or only on slight angles.
Harry seems to take his shots from every angle when he gets them and when he leads to the dead pocket for a left footer he
gives himself no chance. Buddy can kick those but not many other players can....
Owies just has the smarts to find that open space in high percentage shooting areas to make his life easier.
Lyon reckons H was flushing every around the corner kick during the warm up on the weekend, both side of the ground.
Lyon reckons H was flushing every around the corner kick during the warm up on the weekend, both side of the ground.
That's the round the corner ones from closer in.. He had a banana from the dead pocket that he never looked like kicking.Buddy kicks those with drop punts, because Harry doesn't have the confidence in his kicking its going to limit where he can score from.
Fev was another who could nail them from any angle because he could kick a straight drop punt properly.
Fev was another who could nail them from any angle because he could kick a straight drop punt properly.
Fev also explains that he thinks the era of reliable kicking was gone because of the way we use so many new footballs they never really get kicked in like they use to.
I note that the AFL or it's supplier apparently now pre-processes the new footy's to try and simulate a bit of use.
That's the round the corner ones from closer in.. He had a banana from the dead pocket that he never looked like kicking.Buddy kicks those with drop punts, because Harry doesn't have the confidence in his kicking its going to limit where he can score from.
Fev was another who could nail them from any angle because he could kick a straight drop punt properly.
Harrys snaps/bananas have a higher accuracy rate than his drop punts.
I'd back Harry to kick them from wherever.
I hope The TT allows for the occasion of us v Dagpies, the history, to seep into the playing group - it'll give them that little extra motivation. He said he is effectively against highlighting any game over another... please forget this, if the sense of occasion is allowed to soak into our group... we'll win by 44+. ;D ;D
I hope The TT allows for the occasion of us v Dagpies, the history, to seep into the playing group - it'll give them that little extra motivation. He said he is effectively against highlighting any game over another... please forget this, if the sense of occasion is allowed to soak into our group... we'll win by 44+. ;D ;D
I'd have to agree with Teague on this one. Malthouse said the same thing. In an age of national drafts, salary caps, national competition etc., I think those territorial battles are a thing of the past, a notion that exists more in the minds of older supporters. I doubt the players buy into it, and the younger generation certainly don't. Unless they start offering extra points for beating traditional foes, the other 17 teams are much of a muchness in my eyes.
I'd have to agree with Teague on this one. Malthouse said the same thing. In an age of national drafts, salary caps, national competition etc., I think those territorial battles are a thing of the past, a notion that exists more in the minds of older supporters. I doubt the players buy into it, and the younger generation certainly don't. Unless they start offering extra points for beating traditional foes, the other 17 teams are much of a muchness in my eyes.
This is true, fans see a great difference between the bottom teams and the top teams, but as a percentage the difference is almost trivial.
+/-5% and you go from chocolates to boiled lollies in modern football.
I'd have to agree with Teague on this one. Malthouse said the same thing. In an age of national drafts, salary caps, national competition etc., I think those territorial battles are a thing of the past, a notion that exists more in the minds of older supporters. I doubt the players buy into it, and the younger generation certainly don't. Unless they start offering extra points for beating traditional foes, the other 17 teams are much of a muchness in my eyes.
We can have both.
*people start thinking "here he goes again"*
Have divisions and conferences.....just like the NFL.
If you have a divsion in which Carlton and Collingwood play against eachother twice a year, every year, and the winner of that division gets a guaranteed finals spot.....you'll see that rivalry not only continue but be enhanced - quicksmart!
You do the whole thing in a way in which the AFL no longer has to fixture who plays who, but the finishing positions from the previous year calculates who plays who.
It is a blend of old vs new that makes things fairer for all involved.
CARLTON
In: L.Jones, Z.Fisher, L.O'Brien, J.Honey
Out: W.Setterfield (omitted)
Last week's sub: M.Cottrell (unused)
From the AFL website.
Gone tall. Trying to expose our lack of height in the backline. It’s going to be wet so Cox will be useless.
Gone tall. Trying to expose our lack of height in the backline. It’s going to be wet so Cox will be useless.
Wont play IMO....on form it will be Ginnivan and Poulter in. Think they will be looking for the ball on the ground up forward where they have
some smart smalls. Someone like Mihocek will get Weitering to play as a negative forward on him to lead him out of the play and stop him marking the ball when they go long.
They have been rotating Grundy and Cameron in the ruck and at Full Forward, dont expect many marks in the wet from them but again if Jones plays then I think the idea will be to stop him marking the ball and get it to ground. Not sure who we play on Elliott but they will be important to our success.
Blues to do it for Serge and win by 7 points...
Wont play IMO....on form it will be Ginnivan and Poulter in. Think they will be looking for the ball on the ground up forward where they have
some smart smalls. Someone like Mihocek will get Weitering to play as a negative forward on him to lead him out of the play and stop him marking the ball when they go long.
They have been rotating Grundy and Cameron in the ruck and at Full Forward, dont expect many marks in the wet from them but again if Jones plays then I think the idea will be to stop him marking the ball and get it to ground. Not sure who we play on Elliott but they will be important to our success.
Blues to do it for Serge and win by 7 points...
Plow on Mihocek?
Plow on Mihocek?
Plow had Degoey last match.....ended in tears...he is probably the same size as Mihocek so he could lineup on him.
Jones maybe on DeGoey or even Elliott, Curnow has to take Adams although I expect Adams to try and pick up Walsh.
Plow had Degoey last match.....ended in tears...he is probably the same size as Mihocek so he could lineup on him.
Jones maybe on DeGoey or even Elliott, Curnow has to take Adams although I expect Adams to try and pick up Walsh.
Stocker on degoey?
Although not a betting person, I'll put a red spot on us - first time I've ever bet on a game. H to kick 4 and BlueBaggers to win by 44+.
Although not a betting person, I'll put a red spot on us - first time I've ever bet on a game. H to kick 4 and BlueBaggers to win by 44+.
We hope you win!
Myself I'm a tad nervous that under a new coach, and with our own reshuffled coaching line up, the Filth are a bit of a known unknown. I'm not sure we are even close to nailing down our own game plan let alone having a solid grasp on an opponent's.
Although not a betting person, I'll put a red spot on us - first time I've ever bet on a game. H to kick 4 and BlueBaggers to win by 44+.
Save your money Baggers.
Very hopeful but not at all confident.
By all rights, we should win. But it's us.
Still don't have a 2nd key forward and/or backup ruck....Silvagni it is.
At least our backline is sorted though.
The one to watch who always pants us
Thomas
Elliot
Mihocek
De Goey
Feel sorry for TDK this week.
Stocker on degoey?
Might work, hoping it's the lazy DeGoey that turns up. Not sure we can have the usual Cripps v Pendlebury playing wide of each other match up either.
Cripps is struggling fitness wise and you can't have Pendlebury racking up 25 plus possies with his skills. More pressure on their mids and limiting supply is the key imo.
Might work, hoping it's the lazy DeGoey that turns up. Not sure we can have the usual Cripps v Pendlebury playing wide of each other match up either.
Cripps is struggling fitness wise and you can't have Pendlebury racking up 25 plus possies with his skills. More pressure on their mids and limiting supply is the key imo.
I reckon we need to use Cripps up forward more this week.
We are short a 2nd key forward and our closest one (Silvagni) is backup ruck.
When SOJ goes into the ruck, have Cripps in the middle (TDK forward)
When TDK is in the ruck, have Cripps forward a lot and let Kennedy, Dow, Walsh, Curnow rotate through the middle.
I reckon we need to use Cripps up forward more this week.
We are short a 2nd key forward and our closest one (Silvagni) is backup ruck.
When SOJ goes into the ruck, have Cripps in the middle (TDK forward)
When TDK is in the ruck, have Cripps forward a lot and let Kennedy, Dow, Walsh, Curnow rotate through the middle.
Sounds like a plan.....with TDK probably tiring I think we need to have a decent lead going into the last quarter and
need early goals so I dont want the coach with the 5 forwards only theory again and I want emphasis on attack early.
I reckon we need to use Cripps up forward more this week.
We are short a 2nd key forward and our closest one (Silvagni) is backup ruck.
When SOJ goes into the ruck, have Cripps in the middle (TDK forward)
When TDK is in the ruck, have Cripps forward a lot and let Kennedy, Dow, Walsh, Curnow rotate through the middle.
IMHO, terrific logic/suggestions... Crippa up forward also worries their defense. Like it, Mr K. A limousine will arrive at your door around 2ish, to take you to our coach's box Sunday arvo.
Id get Kennedy playing that lead up role much like De Goey does.
Is SoJ playing?
Is SoJ playing?
Listed as a HFF.
Listed as a HFF.
I know he is man sized and plays a man's game in a manly style, and his Dad it seems can be his toughest critic, but to me SoJ is still a kid and it'll be a tough day.
You all know what my wish is this weekend, I think it's everyone's wish!
i want to see a crowded coll fwd line ,pressure up the ground forcing coll players to go long bomb ,and we ca defend as a TEAM.If by chance degoey and elliot have space and kick several goals and win game for pies teague should be sacked monday. ENOUGH
IMHO, terrific logic/suggestions... Crippa up forward also worries their defense. Like it, Mr K. A limousine will arrive at your door around 2ish, to take you to our coach's box Sunday arvo.
Its my birthday on Sunday, so i'll be blowing the candles out and wishing for a win.
Could be a miserable day otherwise.
Only Jack would know how he's feeling.
We cope with such loss in different ways.
It's not for us to judge.
It should be his decision whether he's up to playing or not...and it will be the right one for him.
He may be guided by what ( we think) Serge would expect him to do.
Happy birthday for Sunday Kruds ;D
Only Jack would know how he's feeling.
We cope with such loss in different ways.
It's not for us to judge.
It should be his decision whether he's up to playing or not...and it will be the right one for him.
He may be guided by what ( we think) Serge would expect him to do.
Happy birthday for Sunday Kruds ;D
Thanks....
...and to prove that the world is giving me a big F.U. at the moment....
Cripps is out of Sundays game. :o
Same old, same old..... Cottrell, Fisher, Williamson, Newman on the bench.
Just saw that bench.... The cupboard is bare. When are we going to play some kids? Next week, when the season is truly gone?
Stocker in the guts this week.
Stocker in the guts this week.
It seems primed for that with Newman and Williamson in the squad.
Weiters and Walsh the skippers for Sunday - yes.
It seems primed for that with Newman and Williamson in the squad.
Absolutely. Crazy not to release Stocker to the midfield (Newman back pocket). Williamson to rotate off the wing with Newnes.
Happy Cripps is being rested / managed. About 8 weeks too late, but anyway.
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Its my birthday on Sunday, so i'll be blowing the candles out and wishing for a win.
Could be a miserable day otherwise.
No.60?...hehehe.
When are we going to play some kids?
Not until they deserve to be selected, I hope
Happy Cripps is being rested / managed. About 8 weeks too late, but anyway.
Yep...over due and I think it will give us a different look and might help our defensive efforts having a fitter body in the middle
who can chase and run both ways.
Yep...over due and I think it will give us a different look and might help our defensive efforts having a fitter body in the middle
who can chase and run both ways.
Could prove a little embarassing actually?
Could prove a little embarassing actually?
Thinks its on the coaches to explore a new role for Cripps where he spends time in the middle as well as down forward.
It might help the team develop other players as well as preserve Cripps, and keep him healthier...
When you have a big game of course you could give him more time in the middle but vs lesser teams I'd be wanting to build the midfield with other players and experiment with Cripps forward. Fyfe has made that switch and Freo have had to invest more in Brayshaw, Cerra, Serong etc with old man Mundy there in reserve if it goes South.
I was thinking that we may not miss him as much as we may anticipate.
I was thinking that we may not miss him as much as we may anticipate.
I agree, his output has been down and you always have the worry what his opponent is doing and clubs have learned to man him up at the clearances then tell their player to get on their bike and run off him.
He isnt the main man anymore with Walsh taking that mantle and its time to find a new Cripps and give others more responsibility and we might be better off and the scary thought of him missing and being so reliant on him may not be so scary after all.
Let's see how walsh feels about cripps absence if he ends up.with company
Same old, same old..... Cottrell, Fisher, Williamson, Newman on the bench.
Williamson and Newman did OK last game and Cottrell always gives 100%. I'm not sure how Fisher is a walk up start, particularly as Honey has been in good form for most of the VFL season.
Let's see how walsh feels about cripps absence if he ends up.with company
Been tagged the last few games, I think Adams who plays it hard will pick him up at the stoppages then might swap with
another player
Not until they deserve to be selected, I hope
Yes, RR, that's very true. But then you could ask how is it the Fisher is a walk up start?
I think that Honey has performed consistently in the VFL and probably deserves a game. Kemp is another one who must be close, although I'm happy to play a long game with a bloke of his potential. However, his form has arguably been better than that of Parks and Williamson, although the latter has justified his selection with two solid performances.
Let's see how walsh feels about cripps absence if he ends up.with company
I think that Walsh has been our first choice for tagging this season. Cripps gets some attention around stoppages but it's young Sam who gets the full treatment. However, I reckon he'll miss Crippa's big body in there giving him some protection and feeding him the ball.
It will be a big test for Sam, and the team as a whole.
Agree Cripps absence will be noticeable indeed, Patrick absorbs plenty of contact and works hard inside.
Crucial linchpin, I don’t think we’ll get close to the Pies midfield output, without him.
Agree Cripps absence will be noticeable indeed, Patrick absorbs plenty of contact and works hard inside.
Crucial linchpin, I don’t think we’ll get close to the Pies midfield output, without him.
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I think that Walsh has been our first choice for tagging this season. Cripps gets some attention around stoppages but it's young Sam who gets the full treatment. However, I reckon he'll miss Crippa's big body in there giving him some protection and feeding him the ball.
It will be a big test for Sam, and the team as a whole.
Barker was on SEN yesterday and they asked him if he was surprised Cripps would miss, he said he is the definition of a battering ram. He has always played that way and always will.
I think Crippa thrives on physical contact, it's like he dares the oppo to keep coming at him and see if they can out last him in a game.
Some or all of Newnes, Kennedy, Williams, Curnow (and maybe even Stocker for short periods) should be able to give Walsh some help when he's playing inside. Dow is also young. I think we have enough to help Walsh at least for this game. Hopefully no injuries and hopefully no Pies players outside the middle get off the leash.
You'd think Adams will go to Walsh, and without any help, that will be a pretty tough assignment.
No.60?...hehehe.
Gimme a spell. I'm 19 years off that milestone. :P
Gimme a spell. I'm 19 years off that milestone. :P
Jim is just saying you demonstrate wisdom way beyond your years. ;)
Jim is just saying you demonstrate wisdom way beyond your years. ;)
Or that i'm going senile....
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I think that Honey has performed consistently in the VFL and probably deserves a game.
I do not agree with that at all, for me Honey has been flash in the pan along the lines of Martin, but maybe even less and at a lower level of competition!
Carroll has come in and gone at 100% after an injury interrupted season, he's the one I'd reward, because that sends the right type of message.
I do not agree with that at all, for me Honey has been flash in the pan along the lines of Martin, but maybe even less and at a lower level of competition!
Carroll has come in and gone at 100% after an injury interrupted season, he's the one I'd reward, because that sends the right type of message.
Yes, Carroll is another that should be on the verge of senior selection. However, Honey consistently makes the most of his opportunities around the goals and provides defensive pressure inside forward 50. He would be an upgrade on Martin, who must be struggling with injury.
I was thinking that we may not miss him as much as we may anticipate.
Our record without him isn't bad. Others go into his role and seem to step up.
Weiters to captain.
Unfortunately, I think there is a good chance this ends up crowdless game.
Gimme a spell. I'm 19 years off that milestone. :P
So your 79 then ;D ;D
Jim is just saying you demonstrate wisdom way beyond your years. ;)
Exactly! Hahaha!
So your 79 then ;D ;D
Hahaha! Nice work!
Weiters to captain.
Unfortunately, I think there is a good chance this ends up crowdless game.
Sadly it already is.
So your 79 then ;D ;D
With the week i've had, i feel it.
Stepped on a nail, pissing out blood everywhere. Patch it up and continue working.
Go to get a tetanus shot the next day....can't get in because i've got a cough.
Go get covid tested - negative
Go get shot...thats fine.
Go back the next day for blood test ask about cough...says it fine.
6 days later i've coughed so much my guts hurt, reckon i've pulled a muscle in my neck from it as well....and its not getting better.
At least i can walk again.
Lockdown has stopped us from having family/friends visit...it was my wifes 40th on tuesday and my 41st tomorrow...party was today...all gone to hell.
At least we should beat the old enemy tomorrow......cripps out.
*sigh*
I've got 3 more holes in my body than i started the week with.
Sadly it already is.
Thanks I must have missed that, I avoided games this season for this very reason, it was really only a matter of time before this happened.
With the week i've had, i feel it.
Stepped on a nail, pissing out blood everywhere. Patch it up and continue working.
Go to get a tetanus shot the next day....can't get in because i've got a cough.
Go get covid tested - negative
Go get shot...thats fine.
Go back the next day for blood test ask about cough...says it fine.
6 days later i've coughed so much my guts hurt, reckon i've pulled a muscle in my neck from it as well....and its not getting better.
At least i can walk again.
Lockdown has stopped us from having family/friends visit...it was my wifes 40th on tuesday and my 41st tomorrow...party was today...all gone to hell.
At least we should beat the old enemy tomorrow......cripps out.
*sigh*
I've got 3 more holes in my body than i started the week with.
I stepped on nail years ago, went to the Austin for a tetanus shot. Doc gave me one but reckons you only need one if the nail has been in dirt and mud. If its clean or even rusty, he reckoned it'll do know harm, abit of antiseptic is all you need. HBD for tomorrow.
With today's result a win tomorrow just puts us one game out of the 8.
Weiters to captain.
Unfortunately, I think there is a good chance this ends up crowdless game.
There's no chance that it can be anything other than a crowdless game. No crowd at Darklands for the Saints/Port game.
Good to see Weiters as skipper.
I stepped on nail years ago, went to the Austin for a tetanus shot. Doc gave me one but reckons you only need one if the nail has been in dirt and mud. If its clean or even rusty, he reckoned it'll do know harm, abit of antiseptic is all you need. HBD for tomorrow.
New nail, but went through my boot which had mud on it, and it was covered in 100+ yo dust.
I wasn't going to....but my wife talked me into it.....even if it did ruin her 40th.
New nail, but went through my boot which had mud on it, and it was covered in 100+ yo dust.
I wasn't going to....but my wife talked me into it.....even if it did ruin her 40th.
There's a cut-off age for tetanus shots. I came off my mountain-bike several years ago and skinned my knuckles. The wounds became infected and I had a tetanus shot. The Doc said that it would be the last tetanus shot I could have. I'm not sure what would happen if I stepped on a nail now :-\
With Williamson and Newman in the side, don’t be surprised if they throw the onus onto Williams to work through the mid field. Vs Collingwood, wet track possibly, at the G……they are the components that saw him play his best on ball game ever.
With Williamson and Newman in the side, don’t be surprised if they throw the onus onto Williams to work through the mid field. Vs Collingwood, wet track possibly, at the G……they are the components that saw him play his best on ball game ever.
Rain before and after the game I reckon
With Williamson and Newman in the side, don’t be surprised if they throw the onus onto Williams to work through the mid field. Vs Collingwood, wet track possibly, at the G……they are the components that saw him play his best on ball game ever.
I think that's the sort of positional change that could give us the edge. Same with Stocker; Collingwood's opposition analyst won't be expecting adventurous tactics from us and running Stocker and Williams in the midfield could upset their matchups.
Although not a betting person, I'll put a red spot on us - first time I've ever bet on a game. H to kick 4 and BlueBaggers to win by 44+.
I wish you luck!
The only game this season where I was convinced we'd win was against a Collingwood side that was an absolute rabble ... and that worked out well.
It's going to be more of a challenge this time but, if the coach gets his act together, we have to be in with a chance.
I wish you luck!
The only game this season where I was convinced we'd win was against a Collingwood side that was an absolute rabble ... and that worked out well.
It's going to be more of a challenge this time but, if the coach gets his act together, we have to be in with a chance.
Little to do with the coach and more to do with the players and what they stand for. Chances of playing finals are as close to zero as fark is to swearing. At some point we will see players who have checked out for the year, hope it not today.
I wish you luck!
The only game this season where I was convinced we'd win was against a Collingwood side that was an absolute rabble ... and that worked out well.
It's going to be more of a challenge this time but, if the coach gets his act together, we have to be in with a chance.
I've seen a difference in our side over the past 3 weeks... much better intensity and respect for team defense. I think he has changed his approach, or been told to, or has someone in the 'shadows' with more coaching control/input. IF we bring that today, my red 20 spot will grow! Sticking with a win of 44+.
We're in with a strong chance. That's if the commitment follows. If we lose this, I'm shutting up shop.
Little to do with the coach and more to do with the players and what they stand for. Chances of playing finals are as close to zero as fark is to swearing. At some point we will see players who have checked out for the year, hope it not today.
Can’t agree with that G2C. AFL footballers have to be competitive beasts and they give their all when they step on to the ground. However, if they’re playing injured, out of position, with the wrong match up, or under flawed instructions, their best won’t be good enough.
Collingwood are not very good, they lost quality players preseason, have been in turmoil off the field and also have key players out injured like us and are playing a lot of kids. They have a newbie fill in coach and really if we can't beat them well then we are not progressing. They are a bottom team for a reason and there are no excuses for us in this game. Geelong are a polished finished product and the result was as expected but this is about as good as it gets in terms of a weak Collingwood both on and off the field.
Collingwood are not very good, they lost quality players preseason, have been in turmoil off the field and also have key players out injured like us and are playing a lot of kids. They have a newbie fill in coach and really if we can't beat them well then we are not progressing. They are a bottom team for a reason and there are no excuses for us in this game. Geelong are a polished finished product and the result was as expected but this is about as good as it gets in terms of a weak Collingwood both on and off the field.
That's probably what Richmond thought last week EB ;)
Even with their list management debacle and injuries to key players, their depth is greater and they're going into the game with one of the best rucks, a ruck/key forward and a serviceable key forward vs our novice ruckman, an undersized, makeshift second ruck/half forward and an in form key forward. We still have to be in with a chance, provided we don't go with a five man forward line again.
We're in with a strong chance. That's if the commitment follows. If we lose this, I'm shutting up shop.
Yep that makes 2 of us. They are 15th for a reason this year. Lose this and I’m done till next year.
Can’t agree with that G2C. AFL footballers have to be competitive beasts and they give their all when they step on to the ground. However, if they’re playing injured, out of position, with the wrong match up, or under flawed instructions, their best won’t be good enough.
Fair enough, there is a lot in that so lets break it down:
- Firstly to my original point, Jesus Christ can coach them but history shows when there is nothing to play for, some blokes take the easy route and check out. What I was trying to say was lets see what type of group we have, is one who self driven and gives its all not matter what or one who is planning their footy trip.
- Playing Injured - There isn't a player on a list in the AFL who isn't sore or has a niggle at this time of the year. This is up to Russell to manage and either put em away for the year or manage them through such that when they cross the line, they are fit to play and give a contest for 120 mins.
- Out of position, wrong match up or Flawed Instructions - this is definitely on the coaching group (and will be one of the main discussion points of the 3 man review panel). If this is indeed been happening, dunno if they are going to change anything in the remaining games.
Both teams are playing for pride today, lets see who has more.
Collingwood are not very good, they lost quality players preseason, have been in turmoil off the field and also have key players out injured like us and are playing a lot of kids. They have a newbie fill in coach and really if we can't beat them well then we are not progressing. They are a bottom team for a reason and there are no excuses for us in this game. Geelong are a polished finished product and the result was as expected but this is about as good as it gets in terms of a weak Collingwood both on and off the field.
Spot on as usual EB.
And if we needed any extra motivation a club legend in Serge passing this week prior to a game against the old enemy is enough to get the boys wanting to put on a good display in his honour. Need decent contributions from the likes of Williams ed and Martin and we should get over this mob.
Little to do with the coach and more to do with the players and what they stand for. Chances of playing finals are as close to zero as fark is to swearing. At some point we will see players who have checked out for the year, hope it not today.
A win today will put us within a game of the 8, with North to come (who are playing some decent footy though).
Fair enough, there is a lot in that so lets break it down:
- Firstly to my original point, Jesus Christ can coach them but history shows when there is nothing to play for, some blokes take the easy route and check out. What I was trying to say was lets see what type of group we have, is one who self driven and gives its all not matter what or one who is planning their footy trip.
- Playing Injured - There isn't a player on a list in the AFL who isn't sore or has a niggle at this time of the year. This is up to Russell to manage and either put em away for the year or manage them through such that when they cross the line, they are fit to play and give a contest for 120 mins.
- Out of position, wrong match up or Flawed Instructions - this is definitely on the coaching group (and will be one of the main discussion points of the 3 man review panel). If this is indeed been happening, dunno if they are going to change anything in the remaining games.
Both teams are playing for pride today, lets see who has more.
Your last 2 points contradict each other.
If players are deemed not fit, then players must be played out of position.
Simply look at our ruck situation currently.
Injuries have ruined our season and/or stopped us from recovering it. Suggesting anything else is naive.
Fogarty the sub
Your last 2 points contradict each other.
If players are deemed not fit, then players must be played out of position.
Simply look at our ruck situation currently.
Injuries have ruined our season and/or stopped us from recovering it. Suggesting anything else is naive.
How you came to that conclusion is beyond my little brain to figure out.
Fogarty the sub
Left out of the starting 22 due to being 'managed,' then finds himself as the medical sub ::)
Then The TT says pre game that its up to the players to find their own motivation? Straight from the Whoosha handbook... don't know how many times he said the same thing. Good grief.
Left out of the starting 22 due to being 'managed,' then finds himself as the medical sub ::)
Then The TT says pre game that its up to the players to find their own motivation? Straight from the Whoosha handbook... don't know how many times he said the same thing. Good grief.
Sorry but I agree with him. The display thus far by our blokes is exactly what I expected. Poor, meek, allowing ball to come out of our fwd line and into their fwd 50 without a single contest.
Sorry but I agree with him. The display thus far by our blokes is exactly what I expected. Poor, meek, allowing ball to come out of our fwd line and into their fwd 50 without a single contest.
They seem motivated in this game, just decision making and decision making is letting us down.
Motivation can't be left to the individual and the individual alone. Team effort to help and lift each other.