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I am not feeling confident. We should beat this mob, but that assuming we have some fit players. That is yet to be determined.

They have been travelling all over the country while we have been sleeping in our own beds. Has to be an advantage.

Out: Betts (inj) Williams (inj) Murphy, Cottrell, Williamson
In: Charlie, McKay, Kemp, Honey/Ramsay

Out: Betts (inj) Williams (inj) Murphy, Cottrell, Williamson
In: Charlie, McKay, Kemp, Honey/Ramsay

We need height and strength. And we missed Betts badly.
They play well when both of their rucks are playing. Marshall - still in detention?

We also need a huge input of heart.

As I said, our players have checked out, big losses coming up against teams who have more pride than us and more to play for. I have also lost interest, cricket season cant come soon enough (and I dont even follow cricket passionately).

As I said, our players have checked out, big losses coming up against teams who have more pride than us and more to play for. I have also lost interest, cricket season cant come soon enough (and I dont even follow cricket passionately).

A game between the 2 most disappointing sides of the season. Both lack real pride. Whoever has the least pride might decide it.

Think I’ll give this one a miss.

Absolutely no chance in this one. We should just try to keep the loss under 5 goals. No chance.

Absolutely no chance in this one. We should just try to keep the loss under 5 goals. No chance.

If we get the players in that i suggested above, we will win this by 5 goals.

If we use the same players as today, then yes, i agree with you.

Such a dispirited result today, I certainly won't be looking at it.  You can't dish that stuff up and assume any interest. 

A game between the 2 most disappointing sides of the season. Both lack real pride. Whoever has the least pride might decide it.

Are you kidding? They showed plenty. Its Noble's first year, new system, new methods, I think they have done ok. We are clearly one of the biggest dissapointments of the year based on some of the pre season expectation. We are the leagues biggest cocktease without a shadow of a doubt.

Such a dispirited result today, I certainly won't be looking at it.  You can't dish that stuff up and assume any interest. 

Cap I couldn't watch anymore after about 10 min into the 3rd.

If we get the players in that i suggested above, we will win this by 5 goals.
If we use the same players as today, then yes, i agree with you.

Krudd, mate, while if McKay is fit coming in is a no-brainer, the inclusion of Charlie, Kemp and or Honey/Ramsay would require some semblance of vision. Even if we did I still think we have no chance. This is a carbon copy of last year where we lost, by memory, 4 of the last 5 including one against the wooden spooner. The similarities are scary.

Cap I couldn't watch anymore after about 10 min into the 3rd.

Signed off at about the same time GTC.  I just don't care anymore. :-X      

Watched the Saints today. They played 4q of competitive team football.
We dont have a hope in hell of winning this one. Saints by 30+

They have been travelling all over the country while we have been sleeping in our own beds. Has to be an advantage.

Only if we wake up and play competitive football

Be mighty helpful if Marshall cant play.....being the Jekyll and Hyde team we are we will probably come out motivated this week
and give a good performance.

We first of all need ALL players to be playing for the team and doing the team things rather than trying to be an individual hero. I think this is a major factor that is holding us back and stunting our development.

I think it is important for both Charlie and the team that he plays a couple of games this year to give himself confidence to take on a full preseason with the comeback behind him and to kill the ‘Charlie speculation’ that would linger all the off season. Get him back, let him run around and get some confidence in his body, and then let him move forward like a normal player.

Krudd, mate, while if McKay is fit coming in is a no-brainer, the inclusion of Charlie, Kemp and or Honey/Ramsay would require some semblance of vision. Even if we did I still think we have no chance. This is a carbon copy of last year where we lost, by memory, 4 of the last 5 including one against the wooden spooner. The similarities are scary.

Charlie was basically told he wouldn't be in for Ed 200th but should be in for the next week...which is this game.

Kemp has had enough hitouts now that he should be given a crack at it.

Obviously Harry is an automatic.

I also think its time to give Honey and/or Ramsay a crack. Both have been in the emergencies at various stages this year and deserve their shot.

As mentioned, there will be a few forced outs - Williams and IMO Betts will make 2.
I have seen nothing from Cottrell for a month or more now that makes me think he deserves a spot in the side.
Williamson might be offering a smidge more, but not deserving either. Let Kemp try his role.
Murphy had no influence on the game and should be limped to 300 via the medical sub at most.

I don't think i'm asking much.

Charlie was basically told he wouldn't be in for Ed 200th but should be in for the next week...which is this game.

Kemp has had enough hitouts now that he should be given a crack at it.

Obviously Harry is an automatic.

I also think its time to give Honey and/or Ramsay a crack. Both have been in the emergencies at various stages this year and deserve their shot.

As mentioned, there will be a few forced outs - Williams and IMO Betts will make 2.
I have seen nothing from Cottrell for a month or more now that makes me think he deserves a spot in the side.
Williamson might be offering a smidge more, but not deserving either. Let Kemp try his role.
Murphy had no influence on the game and should be limped to 300 via the medical sub at most.

I don't think i'm asking much.

Williamson had a shocker, think he had Thomas and also may have had some time on Stephenson... be Kemp in for me.

Williamson had a shocker, think he had Thomas and also may have had some time on Stephenson...

I think he's been lucky to keep his spot for weeks, but he may as well of had a North jumper on yesterday, he couldn't have hurt us anymore if he did.

I think he's been lucky to keep his spot for weeks, but he may as well of had a North jumper on yesterday, he couldn't have hurt us anymore if he did.

Yep, going to struggle to stay on the list, ditto for Cottrell..
Honey and Ramsay in cant be any worse.. Honey should have played more games imo...

The Saints & Port games both are going to be really tough games, both need to cement a place for finals Saints perhaps a chance for the 8 and Port at home for top 4 spot so can’t see us getting close.
We should be a better chance against Suns , as for GWS another tough one, won’t be an easy game.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-poised-for-return-to-friday-night-limelight-20210726-p58d0f.html

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-poised-for-return-to-friday-night-limelight-20210726-p58d0f.html

Effin great, we can showcase our zero pressure high turnover game plan on the Friday night big stage.

So Betts and Williams out.  Players who are available to be selected who weren't in the team:

Who comes in?  Does anyone else go out?  Cupboard is bare.  I think the result will be a bit grim.  But it is the coaches fault.

LOB
Fogarty
McKay (doubtful)
McGovern
Carroll
Kemp
Parks
Durdin
Curnow C
Ramsay
Honey

We struggle to beat this mob even when we are going well.  No hope......

We now hand 17 on the injured list.

MERCY RULE PLEASE….

Prime time Friday night slot! I can hear the howls of derision now from others about how we stunk it up.....again.

Prime time Friday night slot! I can hear the howls of derision now from others about how we stunk it up.....again.

If, (and when ;)) we win on Friday night, the media will have to stand up and take notice. Not make judgements based on 2nd hand opinions and highlights that the majority of the media do nowadays.

Its exposure that we don't usually get.
Lets make it work for us.

Wonder which Carlton will turn up. Will the media pounding and criticism get us up or will we just turn up and go through the motions. Hard with the injury list.

What is totally ridiculous is if we were to win then beat the Gold Coast the week after we'd very likely sit in the 8 (do trek to Adelaide to play Port the week after which will put paid to that). That would do the media's head in...haha. We don't deserve to be at all but that's how $hit others around us are going too. Don't see it happening with both the injury list and player attitude, although the latter changes on a weekly basis. Charlie may play if McKay is out and put Cripps forward again. Not that others, Walsh excluded, are better than Cripps, but played in the midfield they play alot good football, compared to when they are not there. We actually gain quite a bit.

Wonder which Carlton will turn up. Will the media pounding and criticism get us up or will we just turn up and go through the motions. Hard with the injury list.

What is totally ridiculous is if we were to win then beat the Gold Coast the week after we'd very likely sit in the 8 (do trek to Adelaide to play Port the week after which will put paid to that). That would do the media's head in...haha. We don't deserve to be at all but that's how $hit others around us are going too. Don't see it happening with both the injury list and player attitude, although the latter changes on a weekly basis. Charlie may play if McKay is out and put Cripps forward again. Not that others, Walsh excluded, are better than Cripps, but played in the midfield they play alot good football, compared to when they are not there. We actually gain quite a bit.

Charlie needs to play even if Harry plays.
Most teams generally have 2 key forwards.....we had zero last week. Just a couple of midfielders impersonating (badly) key forwards.

Wonder which Carlton will turn up. Will the media pounding and criticism get us up or will we just turn up and go through the motions. Hard with the injury list.

What is totally ridiculous is if we were to win then beat the Gold Coast the week after we'd very likely sit in the 8 (do trek to Adelaide to play Port the week after which will put paid to that). That would do the media's head in...haha. We don't deserve to be at all but that's how $hit others around us are going too. Don't see it happening with both the injury list and player attitude, although the latter changes on a weekly basis. Charlie may play if McKay is out and put Cripps forward again. Not that others, Walsh excluded, are better than Cripps, but played in the midfield they play alot good football, compared to when they are not there. We actually gain quite a bit.

Not gonna happen Jim.

Can't believe we're on Friday night. Just sets up for a CR@P weekend. I'd rather play Sunday night games from here on in.

Can't believe we're on Friday night. Just sets up for a CR@P weekend. I'd rather play Sunday night games from here on in.

I did a quick check and surprisingly, we won last year on a Fri night v GC in Rd 13. Sadly prior to that, we beat NM in R18 on the 18 July 2014.

Not gonna happen Jim.

Doubt it too with the injury list, attitude can change weekly with Carlton, but that is how it stands.

Wonder which Carlton will turn up. Will the media pounding and criticism get us up or will we just turn up and go through the motions. Hard with the injury list.

What is totally ridiculous is if we were to win then beat the Gold Coast the week after we'd very likely sit in the 8 (do trek to Adelaide to play Port the week after which will put paid to that). That would do the media's head in...haha. We don't deserve to be at all but that's how $hit others around us are going too. Don't see it happening with both the injury list and player attitude, although the latter changes on a weekly basis. Charlie may play if McKay is out and put Cripps forward again. Not that others, Walsh excluded, are better than Cripps, but played in the midfield they play alot good football, compared to when they are not there. We actually gain quite a bit.

Cripps wont be that effective anyway as his nemesis Steele will be all over him in the midfield....I'd start him forward and go back to
Kennedy as a midfielder who I would play on Steele. Curnow might have to pick up Dunstan who has been playing well...

Cripps wont be that effective anyway as his nemesis Steele will be all over him in the midfield....I'd start him forward and go back to
Kennedy as a midfielder who I would play on Steele. Curnow might have to pick up Dunstan who has been playing well...

While I don't think Steele needs to worry about Cripps and will just get plenty of the ball naturally, I would agree with Cripps going forward. The proviso is he actually stops the stupid wrestling thing he tried last week and just plays as a lead up. Also don't care who Ed tags as long as he tags someone.  This is his best role.

we need to defend as a team for once ,mids get back fill the holes,our club on display on friday night and the team need to respond to that pathetic effort against roos.

I saw something on Pure Footy (either episode 16 or 17) that showed St Kilda is the No3 pressure side since the bye.

I saw something on Pure Footy (either episode 16 or 17) that showed St Kilda is the No3 pressure side since the bye.

And us? 18th?

And us? 18th?

They only mentioned the Saints. They compared their pre bye and post bye rating - I think they were 13th? 18th? and shot up to 3rd.

They only mentioned the Saints. They compared their pre bye and post bye rating - I think they were 13th? 18th? and shot up to 3rd.

When you get a limited set of selective results reported like that, it pays to be cynical because the media tend to cherry-pick stats that support the claims they want to make.

Without knowing who is in or out, if King gets the same run with the umpires he got last time we played, we can't win.

King could basically wrap his arms around Weitering, throw Weitering aside, have zero focus for the footy and make front on contact, and yet still be awarded a mark or free kick!

Back then King wasn't in good form, yet it made the difference, this time he is coming off a 6 goal haul!

“ Verdict: Curnow to return from two years out of the game, Kemp to be handed an AFL debut and Fogarty to play, with Owies, Betts and Williams going out of the team. - Riley Beveridge”

Generally has good mail.

“ Verdict: Curnow to return from two years out of the game, Kemp to be handed an AFL debut and Fogarty to play, with Owies, Betts and Williams going out of the team. - Riley Beveridge”

Generally has good mail.

Surely if true Owies has some soreness or an injury, because despite not kicking straight he's generating plenty of scoring opportunities for a small forward. I mentioned post match he was almost alone in deep running last game, which left him one out against multiple opponents on several occasions. That is not his fault.

How do you give Owies the ar5e while retaining SPS, Fisher and Dow after last weekends woeful defensive running? I think I'd rather have Owies get a midfield run than leave SPS and Dow killing time in the AFL!

While I don't think Steele needs to worry about Cripps and will just get plenty of the ball naturally, I would agree with Cripps going forward. The proviso is he actually stops the stupid wrestling thing he tried last week and just plays as a lead up. Also don't care who Ed tags as long as he tags someone.  This is his best role.

If Cripps is to play forward, he needs a crash course in how to play forward.  I would prefer to see him kicking goals as a midfielder and with limited spells in the forward line.

If Cripps is to play forward, he needs a crash course in how to play forward.  I would prefer to see him kicking goals as a midfielder and with limited spells in the forward line.

Doesnt take a crash course to know the bombing it on his head and wrestling the FB wont work. Needs to work hard to get on a lead, double back and get behind. Just get into some space and give the kicker an option. He's no dill, smart footballer and does have a tank to outwork a FB.

Surely if true Owies has some soreness or an injury,

Owies was out (managed) last week. He ended up coming back in when Harry was a late out.
Something not right with him, but given our injury list he's probably been battling through for a while.

From TT presser.

Looks like Harry unlikely,
Charlie to probably play FF,
McGovern 50/50 depending on Harry.

My take on all that is:

Match Committee changes - 
outs - Williams, Eddy.
Ins - Charlie, McGovern.

My Changes -
outs - Williams, Eddie, Williams, SPS (heart),
Ins - Charlie, Fogerty, LOB (Tagger), Kemp (wing)

Unfortunate that the backups are all injured.  I hope that Harry comes up and the MC don't just pick him to throw off the Aints,

https://www.afl.com.au/news/654967/saints-to-welcome-back-four-stars-for-primetime-clash

https://www.afl.com.au/news/654914/luckless-blue-finally-ready-after-annoying-the-living-daylights-out-of-teague

Charlie Curnow and McGovern possible ins.

From TT presser.

Looks like Harry unlikely,
Charlie to probably play FF,
McGovern 50/50 depending on Harry.

My take on all that is:

Match Committee changes - 
outs - Williams, Eddy.
Ins - Charlie, McGovern.

My Changes -
outs - Williams, Eddie, Williams, SPS (heart),
Ins - Charlie, Fogerty, LOB (Tagger), Kemp (wing)

Unfortunate that the backups are all injured.  I hope that Harry comes up and the MC don't just pick him to throw off the Aints,

You really don't like Williams... you've dropped him (inj, I know) twice!!  ;)  ;D

Surely McGovern straight back in after being out for nearly 10 weeks with a hammy is a huge risk? I'd rather have Kemp get a run this week.

I'd make McGovern the medical sub......insurance against a tall going down at either end of the ground.

I'd make McGovern the medical sub......insurance against a tall going down at either end of the ground.

This might sound NQR but I reckon Gov tries too hard (in a strange kind of way). What I mean my this is he sprints hard when he doesnt need to, he tries to jump over packs when he doesnt need to, he tries to kick the leather off it when he doesnt need to. All this does is:
1. Mess his timing up.
2. Strains muscles that can least afford.
In tennis, they use the term easy power when striking the ball, its all about fluent action timing. Gov needs to watch his brother and see how he does it easy with good timing.
I think he is a smart footballer, ala Whitnall. Just needs to be clever about getting to the right spots with out extended the muscles he has had issues with.

Just listened to the Weiters interview on SEN with Gerard W. Impressive. Intelligent, honest, forthright and articulate young man. And a shout out to Gerard for not only the sharp relevance of his questions but also the succinct way in which they were asked. Good interview skills are scarce in our horrendously over staffed sport reporting.

Then I flicked over and watched The TTs media conference.  :-X

Just listened to the Weiters interview on SEN with Gerard W. Impressive. Intelligent, honest, forthright and articulate young man. And a shout out to Gerard for not only the sharp relevance of his questions but also the succinct way in which they were asked. Good interview skills are scarce in our horrendously over staffed sport reporting...........................................................................................

In recent times, Whateley has gone downhill IMO, but I agree with you - this is one of his better efforts.

Weitering has a Judd-like ability to articulate his thoughts coherently, and cogently. Neatly sidestepped a few questions.

Will be the next captain IMO.

Surely McGovern straight back in after being out for nearly 10 weeks with a hammy is a huge risk? I'd rather have Kemp get a run this week.

Think Wilkie had around 20 possies on him till half time last time he played Stkilda......I think eased in maybe down back could be a good start for him. While no fan of his work so far I think we need to make the best use of him possible and a fresh start down back might help him get into form quicker.

Will be the next captain IMO.

Hope so, seems to be just what we need to honestly drive standards

Ross the Boss on FC can't understand why we are playing Charlie this week.

Ross the Boss on FC can't understand why we are playing Charlie this week.

I tend to agree, because from a club perspective I can't see the reward for the risk, but I can also understand from Charlie's perspective why he would play and why it might be critical for him to play.

I also understand the list management perspective offered by some of our fellow forum members, if Charlie breaks it's better to find that out now before the draft / trade period.

On the issue of Lyon commenting, he's potentially got a few vested interests so we have to take that into consideration;

 - Is he interested in the Carlton coaching job, if so that critique is basically a free hit betting on a bad outcome, some may even say potentially barracking for a bad outcome, eager for a tragedy?

 - Does he have any lingering interest and emotional connection with The Aints?

We may discount those ideas, but they are every bit as valid as the claims SOS had a conflict of interest, so if we do not consider them seriously we show a definite bias!

Ross the Boss on FC can't understand why we are playing Charlie this week.

Maybe the coach and others think every win can change the outcome of the Review, or maybe Ross wants his FF shiny and new for next season...

Maybe the coach and others think every win can change the outcome of the Review, or maybe Ross wants his FF shiny and new for next season...

Agreed, we have to be so careful of commentary from individuals that potentially have skin in this game.

In the washup, despite my reservations about the benefit versus the risk, Charlie playing is a good news story whatever the outcome. My advice is to not let doubters like myself degrade the experience! As Carlton supporters we all wish him well!

While Charlie’s return may be a little rushed, I think that it may be part of the long game.  Teague has mentioned several times the importance of Charlie being happy.  Perhaps getting him back on the park is as much about next season as it is about this one.

As for Ross Lyon, his comments are no more informed than mine.  Of course he can offer up an opinion, like askholes, everyone has them.  He would know very little about Charlie’s form and fitness, and even less about his state of mind.

If Charlie is fully fit then bring him back by all means imo, but don't rush it prematurely.

If he is properly prepared and ready to go, let him loose now so that he can work through any mental barriers, get confidence in his body and hit a preseason with no inhibitions and kill the 'Charlie Speculation'.

It should not be a publicity stunt, but an important part of the preparation for a stuuuunnning 2022 for Charlie!!

There is one question re the knee - is it more likely to be stronger (or less likely to buckle again) if he keeps resting it or are we well past that point?

I would expect the latter otherwise he wouldn't be considered at any level.

Fitness? He's a Curnow. A freak (and I mean that in a very complimentary way).

Of course he'll be a bit rusty, but the guy knows how to play footy.

He plays - and hopefully kicks 6.

He needs to refind his 'footy legs'.

 

LOB will be picked tonight.

Last chance lotto........

LOB will be picked tonight.

Last chance lotto........

Maybe they are using the logic of fattening him up for trade and hoping he plays a few decent games and attracts a buyer or two..

If Charlie plays then expectations have to be low.....he'll be rusty for sure but win or lose (the latter IMO), if he gets through the game then it's a win for him and the club.

Similarly with McGovern, I'm not a fan of what he's brought to the club in 3 years but if he's fit then it's worth the punt.....it'll at least give us two marking forwards and allow Kennedy to play midfield where he's been really good for the last month and take a bit of pressure off Silvagni too....can't expect him to be the backup ruckman and the only marking bloke up forward. And with Kennedy in the middle, then Cripps can split his time between midfield and up forward....at least give St Kilda something to think about defensively, unlike last week against North.

Yep
In his games the season he was injured Charlie had a slow start.
If I remember correctly there were even a few post asking what was wrong with Curnow.
Then he had that standout 7 goal game just before he was injured.
That's what sticks in folk's mind.

It's probably best to lower expectations...and if he does have a standout game, be pleasantly surprised ;)  ;D

The expectations should be low.

We have 45 players who are on the list.

Of those 45 players, we are missing:

Player

Eddie Betts    Ankle    Expected to miss 1-2 weeks. Update: 26 July
Jordan Boyd    Knee    "We won't see him for at least a month." Update: 6 July
Levi Casboult    Knee    Returned to running. Unavailable this weekend. Update: 26 July
David Cuningham    Knee    Out for remainder of season.
Charlie Curnow    Knee    Increased his minutes in reserves scratch match on weekend. Update: 26 July
Sam Docherty    Ankle    "He won't play again in the home-and-away season." Update: 26 July
Michael Gibbons    Hamstring    Out for remainder of season. Update: 26 July
Josh Honey    Knee    Missed last weekend: expected to be available this week. Update: 26 July
Caleb Marchbank    Knee    Out for remainder of season.
Oscar McDonald    Back     "We think he needs a couple of weeks of full training to get back to playing but it’s looking like we’ll see him again this year, which is really exciting." Update: 20 July
Mitch McGovern    Hamstring    Returning to action this weekend. Update: 26 July
Harry McKay    Toe    An outside chance to play this weekend. Update: 26 July
Alex Mirkov    Knee    "We're getting him in shape to play: whether he plays this year remains to be seen." Update: 13 July
Sam Philp    Groin    Out for remainder of season.
Marc Pittonet    Ankle    Returning to running this week: chance to return in final weeks of season. Update: 26 July
Will Setterfield    Groin    Experiencing low-grade groin soreness. Unavailable this weekend. Update: 26 July
Zac Williams    Hamstring    Low-grade hamstring. Expected to miss 2-3 weeks. Update: 26 July

17 through injury,  If any of these guys play this week, they are coming in with no real form line.

Of these 17, 2 (Eddie and Harry) have scored most of our goals for the season.  2 are high priced recruits (McGovern and Williams).  2 are our other ruck/forward stocks that are proven at AFL level, and would be nice to have them given the dearth of other options (Levi, Pittonet), 1 is a co Captain and former All Australian.  3 were supposed to be foundation players in our rebuild (Harry, Charlie and Cunners).

We know players dont go through the season 100% fit, but most clubs would start to buckle with so many walk up start players being out injured at once.  The fact that we have lost our first choices, AND our second choices is enough reason to worry about beating anyone who comes to play.

From what I have seen, we have not really got anywhere near our best footy this season for a variety of reasons not solely on player availability, but its also to do with chemistry.  Something you cant build any other way than playing games together.

If Charlie plays then expectations have to be low.....he'll be rusty for sure but win or lose (the latter IMO), if he gets through the game then it's a win for him and the club.

Similarly with McGovern, I'm not a fan of what he's brought to the club in 3 years but if he's fit then it's worth the punt.....it'll at least give us two marking forwards and allow Kennedy to play midfield where he's been really good for the last month and take a bit of pressure off Silvagni too....can't expect him to be the backup ruckman and the only marking bloke up forward. And with Kennedy in the middle, then Cripps can split his time between midfield and up forward....at least give St Kilda something to think about defensively, unlike last week against North.

You bet, need two legitimate targets forward + Silvagni.

Brackets is the type who can contribute first up. And he's a difficult match up.

Despite not performing for us (yet), the guy is a very able and talented footballer.

Like Charlie, with X factor.

And Bam Bam in the guts.

LOB will be picked tonight.

Last chance lotto........

I hope not. I think he's had his last chance to shine and it hasn't happened.

Agree on LOB....I'd rather see someone like Jack Carroll get a game in the last month or so.

Charlie AND H playing?!

Looking more like a football team!!! 

IN: Charlie, Harry, Honey and LOB
OUT: Betts (inj), Williams (inj), Murphy,  Cottrell and SPS.

Sub from....
Cottrell, Murphy, SPS and Kemp.

Murphy will be the sub again I'd day so we get him to 300.

Murphy will be the sub again I'd day so we get him to 300.

Yep...and Harry will be a late out and we'll play Kemp.

If Harry is a definite, we're half a chance! Having him and Charlie would be a huge bonus.

SPS' papers probably stamped now and will be playing for Freo next year.

Looking more like a football team!!! 

Yep, on paper, a more balanced and dangerous looking side. Obviously very serious about this one. Now to put 4 qtrs of intense, pressure footy together on the paddock. Intensity and pressure that has a committed defensive respect.

Good to see Josh Honey get a gig. Kemp next week, thank you.

No use putting Murphy in the VFL side, so, yep, medical sub.

LOB will be picked tonight.

Last chance lotto........

Don’t want to say I told you so but !!!!!!

Yep, on paper, a more balanced and dangerous looking side. Obviously very serious about this one. Now to put 4 qtrs of intense, pressure footy together on the paddock. Intensity and pressure that has a committed defensive respect.

Good to see Josh Honey get a gig. Kemp next week, thank you.

No use putting Murphy in the VFL side, so, yep, medical sub.

If he doesn't get a run he'll likely play 2nds.

If he doesn't get a run he'll likely play 2nds.

Speaking of 2nds....

Former Carlton ruck, current Essendon ruck, will be lining up for Carlton VFL side this week, thanks to some weird covid workarounds.

Win-win

Surely H plays even if with niggles - get him to the Coleman!

Surely H plays even if with niggles - get him to the Coleman!

From what I saw he hurt his toe relatively early in the game but then came out and kicked 4 straight in the last!!  Come on Harry, no pain, no gain!!!

I hope we at least turn up tonight,  a bad night and the external pressure applied to the club will be crushing.

Some very illuminating selections, some interesting cards being played.

Honey has AFL attributes,  pleased to see him getting a run.   Expect a couple of flashy cameos,  but he'll keep their defenders nervous.   Surprised Williamson going around again,  but it appears that the blame seems to have been directed at the midfield looking at the out's.   Agree with Kruds,  wouldn't be surprised if there is a late omission and Kemp plays.

Is this too simplistic??

Harry takes No.1 Defender, Charlie 2 and JSOS 3.
Given Charlies preparation etc, his job is 80% decoy, get No 2 right out of Harry's way, lead hard up the ground and if he is paid no respect, start playing through him. We know Harry one on one or even one on two is a fair bet.  We have the personnel in this game to make life easier for him and get some good gametime into Charlie while we do it.

Meanwhile, JSOS on Number 3 can really unlock the shackles.

As long as BigH and Charlie do not collide taking them both out!

I'm more worried about the other end. Last week Max King had 8 contested marks and 6 goals. No one has done that since Wayne Carey over 20 years ago.

Really keen to see how big Weiters goes, he's had a rough trot against The Aints in the past, but countering that already has Hawkins as a scalp this season.

Hopefully those quads don't fail him wrestling with King!

I'm more worried about the other end. Last week Max King had 8 contested marks and 6 goals. No one has done that since Wayne Carey over 20 years ago.

Larkey???
Nick Larkey 12 8 20 8 0 1 0 0 7 1 43 123

Larkey???

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Charlie Curnow is wondering what he did to be so forgotten given his 7mark 7 goal game against the Bulldogs last time he played them. 

Win it for Teaguey....otherwise you might be getting Clarko...then you'll be sorry :o

If Harry plays (and stays on the park) and Charlie lasts 4 quarters (and assuming we don't lose 1 of Weitering, Jones, TDK) we will win.

Basically, if our spine lasts the game, we win.

It might not be easy, it might not be pretty, but we should win.

I guess the biggest problem is that its been so long since we've had 2 key forwards in the side, we might have forgotten how to play with them!

Larkey???

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Nick Larkey 12 8 20 8 0 1 0 0 7 1 43 123

8 Contested marks

We will be much better served with Kennedy and Cripps on ball.

This will be a fascinating contest. Hopefully.

Ratts is a pretty good student of the game with a good strategic mindset. He'll have King moving about a lot like Larkey did last week. Body to body nobody can beat Weiters... just ask Hawkins.

On paper we have a much better side, but are carrying a coupla wounded blokes who just happen to be keys.

Both sides are coming into the game with recent disappointments. Bring it on.

Win it for Teaguey....otherwise you might be getting Clarko...then you'll be sorry :o

Bit late for that me thinks...

Bit late for that me thinks...

Agree, we should have been telling them in Rnd 1

I'm more worried about the other end. Last week Max King had 8 contested marks and 6 goals. No one has done that since Wayne Carey over 20 years ago.

Agree...the Saints will have King, Marshall and Membrey down there for marking targets so its going to be down to the midfields again who wins this game..
We wont be winning the ruck which will make it harder too..

Murphy gets another charity game being named sub again.

Paddy Ryder a late out

That will keep the margin under 60

7pm start of coverage on fox footy....some much needed coverage for our club.

All they are talking about is Clarko. Big special about his history at the start and continued talk about him.

We are still playing tonight right?

H and Charlie warming up so they are playing.