https://www.womens.afl/news/93265?_ga=2.158483455.416584543.1649666926-306229409.1528790717
ESSENDON has pulled off a stunning double coup ahead of its maiden season in the AFLW, with the club set to sign important Carlton duo Maddy Prespakis and Georgia Gee.
Womens.afl can reveal the Bombers have lured both players in what is a significant filip for the incoming expansion side and a brutal blow for their arch rivals at Ikon Park.
It's this type of thing that makes any real emotional involvement with the women's side difficult.
Hopefully with the end of expansion things will settle down and we'll get a core group of players who build some history and tradition that is meaningful and long term.
It's this type of thing that makes any real emotional involvement with the women's side difficult.
Hopefully with the end of expansion things will settle down and we'll get a core group of players who build some history and tradition that is meaningful and long term.
Craig Starcevich (Brisbane coach) had a mini meltdown about this in the press conference the other day. Complaining his best players get offered money they can't refuse elsewhere and it makes it hard.
We better be VERY well compensated.
F off essenscum, grow your own you parasitic $?!*s
I assume we get the first two picks in the draft and they don't get any?!?
From the club
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1101821/prespakis-and-gee-declare-wish-to-explore-expansion-move?fbclid=IwAR2Z3evqQHh_y8NvQzZari1YHogJ5IF91V6ssETpo0Y_F04D8AEOiSdTu_g
Dead to me
Dead to me
I asked my 7yo (knowing the answer) who his favourite Carltons womens player is - Georgia Gee.
His favourite mens player (last year) was Eddie Betts.
I asked him what number he wants to wear when he plays football - #19.
He seems to have a thing for quick, exciting, small forwards........who walk out the door as soon as he identifies them as a favourite.
Poor kid.
But, yes, now they are the enemy and we'll learn to love to hate them pretty quick.
This is off the back of the bombers demolishing our VFLW side recently too.
To put it simply, we are f***ed!
Maybe we need to install a “No porking your teamates” policy…?
Or have I misunderstood how close they are ?
Dead to me
I agree. Our club has gone out of its way to develop these players and they turn their backs on us.
I'm not going to bother with the AFLW any longer. Conditions are neither fair nor reasonable. No Victorian club can compete under the present system. As for the expansions clubs, apart from Port Adelaide, they are a terrible idea that dilutes an already small talent pool.
Whatever compensation we may get is a joke. It simply cannot replace two of our better players.
Maybe we need to install a “No porking your teamates” policy…?
Or have I misunderstood how close they are ?
Not sure, but last I heard Prespakis was dating a girl from Brisbane.
Not sure, but last I heard Prespakis was dating a girl from Brisbane.
Cheers crash, as I said I wasn’t sure if I’d misunderstood.
I think we have had a couple of players leave after relationships soured…?
The AFLW ... just a bloody circus.
Cheers crash, as I said I wasn’t sure if I’d misunderstood.
I think we have had a couple of players leave after relationships soured…?
Both dating other girls, but otherwise as close as can be.
This is off the back of the bombers demolishing our VFLW side recently too.
In fairness the Bombers are basically running a potential chink of their AFLW squad in VFLW.
In fairness the Bombers are basically running a potential chink of their AFLW squad in VFLW.
That was the point though. They flogged our VFLW side (which had zero AFLW players in it, but are still some good players) and they will add a large chunk of those players to standouts Maddy and Gee.....they'll be a force to reckon with if they can get a couple KPP's
Apparantly Grace Egan posted a video of her and Maddy P singing the bombers theme song and laughing along to it on twitter.
its since been deleted.
But if we lose Grace Egan as well, we might as well hand our license back to the AFL and say thanks, but no thanks.
Look on the bright side - the highlight for Essenscum supporters so far this year is how well their women's team has recruited....
Look on the bright side - the highlight for Essenscum supporters so far this year is how well their women's team has recruited....
I'd prefer they had no highlights at all.
I'm more gutted about this than when Fev got traded.....at least he was causing some issues at the time. These 2 have been nothing but perfect citizens for us.
That was the point though. They flogged our VFLW side (which had zero AFLW players in it, but are still some good players) and they will add a large chunk of those players to standouts Maddy and Gee.....they'll be a force to reckon with if they can get a couple KPP's
That VFLW side has to be drafted, they can't keep them all!
Disappointed, but if that is the case,
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
You are now in the outer along with Campo.
Very disappointing.
Do we get compensated?
If so, what’s it really likely to deliver with 4 new clubs?
Reading around this morning there is a common theme.
"Why invest in a competition where there appears to be no loyalty?"
The strange thing about this is that the most disappointment is being felt by those who have had a strong interest in the AFLW and the Carlton women's side in particular.
After an initial interest I dropped right off, and the player movement factor was big contributor to that feeling.
I really have no strong feelings about Maddy and Georgia leaving.
I don't have that level of care.
Put yourself in Prespakis's position.
No Carlton side.
You want to play at the top level but there is still a couple off years before Carlton have a side in the comp.
Do you sit it out, or do you go where there is a good opportunity to test and develop your skills, knowing that the wait is only a couple of years.
You're never going to play "against" a Carlton side.
On the day when your dream to play for the side you love becomes a reality you lose it a bit...sing the club song.
A bit disrespectful to the club you're leaving but understandable.
In a lot of ways her decision is more palatable than we see in the men's comp where the lure of money or a go home issue is the major factor.
Her decision, while no doubt financially beneficial, is based on love and passion for a club.
She'll go there, play well and become an Essendon icon. :(
I'm sure we'd accept her like, a "Carlton tragic", without hesitation.
It's unfortunate that these moves may disillusion some of us, and we may see some supporters drop off.
But it now presents the opportunity for the competition to grow some traditions.
It may take a few more years for things to settle, but there will eventually be stability.
We'll have a Carlton side where we don't need the program to work out 'who is who', a side built on a struggle over a number of years working together...and we'll develop strong feelings for their journey and success
Personally, to me it just shows how little the AFL really value the AFLW competition, they have it up and running because politically and socially they have to, but they do not give a rats ar5e about it's integrity. No integrity no crowds, no crowds no money, it's that simple. Watch the Crows attendance drop off now that Port are about to break up their synthetic culture.
I'm a bit like Lods, I'm not fussed, if they do not want to be here then don't be here. I can't fault the effort of either Prespakis or Gee's on the field, they gave it 100%. Long term I'd be more worried about Greg leaving, she has basically broadcast the intention!
I'm a bit puzzled though why other clubs can seemingly so easily rip away our marquee players but we still see Chiocci and Pearce playing for opposition despite them being life long Carlton people. I had half expected Pearce to do a Harmes and end up on the Carlton coaching panel post football.
The final insult will be watching Prespakis rack up free kicks now she is a rolled gold red and black Haemorrhoid, after years and years of watching her get hammered for zero reward in navy blue! Fans will still tell me I'm paranoid, I wonder if Vescio still thinks that way today?
Can Harf survive?
Can Harf survive?
I'm sure the cheer squad will be pointing the finger and saying "See!", but i'm not sure its that simple.
Bombers would've made a godfather offer to the pair, which probably includes leadership (if not captaincy) built in. Obviously being the face of the club and getting all the perks that come with it. Jobs outside of football probably lined up in there somewhere too.....if its even required at all.
Craig Starcevich was saying similar, and his club is one of the best in the game, yet players are still leaving Brisbane, and there is only 1 local rival to jump ship too (a team only a decade old at that!) rather than 9 others with 100+ years of history behind them.
In reality, if any team could keep their players, it should've been Brisbane....yet they are copping it too.
We wanna hang half for it?
We wanna hang half for it?
I don't, ................ but that is our club's mentality so I suspect it's better than 50/50!
Despite not having ultimate success, much like the men under Teague, we are one of the better teams to watch in terms of game style / tactics.
I don't, ................ but that is our club's mentality so I suspect it's better than 50/50!
I was actually thinking that the club had done well by not sacking half up to this point (season over, short off-season coming up) but i wonder if they will jump now. Hopefully the mens comp has them suitably distracted.
As disappointing as it may be, don't make this out as a loyalty thing to a childhood club - that just makes the decision easier to justify. The reality is, according to all reports, Prespakis has been offered a deal that CFC was never going to come close to matching. It's not much different to Tayla Harris last year.
Can't blame them for chasing a better deal, but that does not change the sour taste it leaves in supporters' mouths, not to mention team mates. I have no doubt they will both be reminded of that when they first visit Ikon Park in the red 'n black.
Are we surprised given the recent history of former player behaviour that several on our list turn out to be a tad disingenuous?
Like I said, I don't begrudge them going for the money, I can't fault the efforts of both on the field, and once Full Free Agency comes in as it must we will see more of this on the men's side of the game as well.
For example this concept of loan players being floated is really just one step closer to the trading of players mid-season.
But that doesn't detract from the current apparent lack of integrity in the AFLW competition structure, it's really an AFL problem and they seem to be wilfully ignoring it at this stage. I suppose they will claim they are playing the long game!
Why the feck do the club have their photos front and centre on the website?
It should be putting it's logo up there and removing all images of Gee and Prespakis, this is the commercial reality of free agency if that is what players want! The second they abscond all history of their presence should be removed. All we do by leaving the images up is give the enemy marketing opportunities.
In a full free agency environment, there are no glad send offs, there are no thanks for the efforts or memories, there are only allies and enemies and you tell which is which by the jumper they wear. You go from chocolates to boiled lollies with the swipe of a pen, players can't have it both ways, there is a distinct difference between internal respect and public support!
How very fickle are some within this comp.
If I was Harf, and others in the coaching and support group, I'd just be shaking my head and perhaps feeling pretty shat upon.
Might as well hold a fire sale of others who want to abandon ship, load up on picks and start again... rebuild, act like an expansion club and build a group with character, loyalty and unity.
How very fickle are some within this comp.
If I was Harf, and others in the coaching and support group, I'd just be shaking my head and perhaps feeling pretty shat upon.
Might as well hold a fire sale of others who want to abandon ship, load up on picks and start again... rebuild, act like an expansion club and build a group with character, loyalty and unity.
Isn't that what we have done twice already? :o
Might as well hold a fire sale of others who want to abandon ship, load up on picks and start again... rebuild, act like an expansion club and build a group with character, loyalty and unity.
I did warn people when AFLW started that we should not expect players to behave in the same basic manner as men, simply because they aren't!
AFLW is to AFL, what France is to The Allies!
The girls won't sit around the campfire singing Goodnight Saigon, and of course my posting this makes me a misogynist but it doesn't change it's underlying truth!
Haven't we poached players?
Haven't we poached players?
Have we? Tayla Harris approached us, as she wanted to come to Melbourne for her boxing career. We jumped at it, but that is another tale.
Haven't we poached players?
Probably.
Realistically we stuffed up and everyone on here knows it.
The best time to jag a flag, was when the competition was fledgling. Now that its becoming a bit more cut throat, and we appear to be hampered by the lack of money in it, 2020 was the last season that we could have pulled it off and no guarantees we would have. Since then almost all the key components of that outfit have moved on.
Have we? Tayla Harris approached us, as she wanted to come to Melbourne for her boxing career. We jumped at it, but that is another tale.
Didnt we poach Nicola Stevens from the Filth?
I'm not so fussed about Prespakis and Gee leaving, provided we get good compensation picks and use them wisely.
Hopefully, this will mean the end of clubs raiding others for players and a move to more settled lists.
I'm not so fussed about Prespakis and Gee leaving, provided we get good compensation picks and use them wisely.
Hopefully, this will mean the end of clubs raiding others for players and a move to more settled lists.
Not sure we'll be well compensated though.
A lot of help will be given to the clubs entering the competition, which will erode any compensation to some extent.
Didnt we poach Nicola Stevens from the Filth?
....and they got Davey. I know who won that war.
Just thinking about this in light of Gil stepping down. There was a short (but involved) list of things he's going to do this year before he goes and one of them was new CBA for the mens and for the womens comp.
Which got me thinking....
How can players be poached, when they don't know what the salary cap is going to be?
It may turnout that we could've quite easily matched bombers offers for the girls once the new figures come out, but we'll never know.
I've said it a million times, but until the comp is truly national, not a trumped up state of origin competition it will be a farce.
Just thinking about this in light of Gil stepping down. There was a short (but involved) list of things he's going to do this year before he goes and one of them was new CBA for the mens and for the womens comp.
Which got me thinking....
How can players be poached, when they don't know what the salary cap is going to be?
It may turnout that we could've quite easily matched bombers offers for the girls once the new figures come out, but we'll never know.
I've said it a million times, but until the comp is truly national, not a trumped up state of origin competition it will be a farce.
The thing is that Prespakis and Gee will be Essendon's marquee players and will corner a sizeable chunk of their TPP. That may mean that Essendon will struggle to recruit/pay other highly-rated players and will go into the season with a couple of good players and a VFLW team.
I wrote in another thread that I thought that the way Prespakis goes about her footy, combined with the way she is hammered by her opponents and not protected by the umpires, is unsustainable and a short career is inevitable unless something changes. Moving to Essendon is not the change that I envisaged and I don't think we'll see Maddy with a long career.
Gee is a smart player and I think that we'll feel her loss more than Maddy's. However, Gee's strength is getting on the end of chains of possession and finishing off well. I'm not sure that Essendon will have the ability to force opponents to play to Georgia's strengths.
Isn't the point of bring a marquee player is that part of your payment is outside the cap?
Isn't the point of bring a marquee player is that part of your payment is outside the cap?
Not sure that is the case, to say it's "outside the cap" is not really accurate, there is a pool of funds that you can use for nominated marquee players, but it's still limited and under audit and has to be pre-approved by the AFL. It's not a free hit.
Hun reporting that Grace Egan will also not be at the Blues next year after her Instagram gaff earlier this week.
Hun reporting that Grace Egan will also not be at the Blues next year after her Instagram gaff earlier this week.
Do you reckon Prespakis set Greg up, Kruddler mentioned Greg is not the sharpest tool in the shed?
In my opinion, losing Greg is almost worse than losing Prespakis and Gee.
But I understand completely if Greg goes, Carlton people cannot recover from singing the CheatsFC song in public, it's a level of disrespect worse than blasphemy or treason. I think acts like this are what the old fashioned stocks are designed to remedy. She almost have to hand deliver Carlton a flag to make up for it!
At this stage of AFLW's development, its supporters don't buy into hating players who defect to other teams. Anything that improves the competition and offers more opportunity for young female players is good. Most female AFLW supporters don't batt an eye when stars walk out of the club they support - on the contrary, they're thrilled that the competition is expanding and star players are starting to earn more appropriate salaries. When the competition is mature and its ranks are filled with players who've been playing since they were in primary school, no doubt those supporters will be less AFLW supporters and more supporters of their own AFLW club.
At this stage of AFLW's development, its supporters don't buy into hating players who defect to other teams.
AFL Club's are in a marketing war with each other, sponsors compete for the fan dollars, they won't give a rat's ar5e what feminist fanatics think, if a player gets pegged boosting the sponsors competitor the shizen must hit the fan!
We keep being told the AFLW players deserve to be paid like professionals, while too often acting like two bob amateurs!
Perhaps there are just too many in the current AFLW system that care more about their social media profile than then AFLW career! Maybe I'm old fashioned and just don't get it, maybe this is the new normal!
But I doubt you'll find much support for this amongst those of us here that follow it closely, we are gutted by the level of selfishness, stupidity or both!
I can't imagine team-mates are too happy, it's like you wake up to find the person you have fought for is pissing down your neck!
I didn't think I was referring to feminist fanatics but it seems my post was like an ink blot test.
I didn't think I was referring to feminist fanatics but it seems my post was like an ink blot test.
So you think it's reasonable for these people to put their hand out to grab millions of fan dollars, only to grab the cash then slap the fans in the face, and we are supposed to say thank-you!
I'm a big boy I'll get over it, but I feel for all the little kids who got their club jumper embroided with a 19 or 4.
What is the takeaway lesson to the primary schooler, money talks and is most important!
I reckon Harford would feel gutted today, it's such a slap in the face!
Maybe the primary school girl would think that the AFLW isn't just window dressing any more and clubs are fighting to attract the best talent.
Maybe the primary school girl would think that the AFLW isn't just window dressing any more and clubs are fighting to attract the best talent.
Carlton did attract them, but they didn't stay!
I wouldn't say I'd go as far to piss on them but the old saying applies, "If it's got a sash have a slash!"
Isn't the point of bring a marquee player is that part of your payment is outside the cap?
I probably didn't use "marquee player" in the context that it applies to AFLW players with payments outside the cap. In that context, I think that Prespakis would be a marquee player and Gee would be highly paid but not with additional, outside the cap payments.
Do you reckon Prespakis set Greg up, Kruddler mentioned Greg is not the sharpest tool in the shed?
In my opinion, losing Greg is almost worse than losing Prespakis and Gee.
But I understand completely if Greg goes, Carlton people cannot recover from singing the CheatsFC song in public, it's a level of disrespect worse than blasphemy or treason. I think acts like this are what the old fashioned stocks are designed to remedy. She almost have to hand deliver Carlton a flag to make up for it!
I'm not fussed about Greg going; too many 'deer in the headlights' moments where she got pinged for holding the ball. Her best may have been very good but she is far too inconsistent.
Many AFLW players seem to have a more relaxed attitude to club loyalty and disdain for the opposition but, allegedly celebrating the poaching of teammates by a rival club may be going just a little too far.
Isn't the point of bring a marquee player is that part of your payment is outside the cap?
I think there is a limit on how much they can be paid, so its basically the salary cap + marquee bonus = new salary cap. You can't go over either.
The thing about being a marquee player though is you are more likely to get sponsors and what not, and THAT is where the money is.....and also where the rorting happens, ala Judd and Visy, Geelong and property etc.
Now looks like Nicola Stevens may go to Saints
Bonnie Toogood is also going to the bombers.
1 mid - prespakis
1 key forward - toogood
1 mid/fwd - gee
Fill in the gaps around that.
Hawks fishing around Moody apparently.
Hawks fishing around Moody apparently.
If we lose Moody, Prespakis, Gee, Stevens and Egan, we may as well sell of the rest of the list while we are at it.
Moody, Prespakis, Gee and Egan was our starting midfield at the start of the year before we got Hill back.
F*** me.
If we lose Moody, Prespakis, Gee, Stevens and Egan, we may as well sell of the rest of the list while we are at it.
Moody, Prespakis, Gee and Egan was our starting midfield at the start of the year before we got Hill back.
F*** me.
The AFLW is an absolute pillage fest, nothing anyone can do about it as that's how it's been set up. You reckon loyalty is gone in the mens game, in Never existed in AFLW. It will only settle once all the teams are in and well established, until then there will be bodies everywhere.
It will only settle once all the teams are in and well established, until then there will be bodies everywhere.
That's true...which is why we shouldn't let the movement get us down too much.
Give it five years and we may have a stable team we can start to get behind and get a bit emotional about.
Sadly many of those few players who have stuck with the team probably won't be around to see that.
Carlton did attract them, but they didn't stay!
Seems there’s a bit is a pattern here don’t you think? Has any other side lost 2 club captains?
That's true...which is why we shouldn't let the movement get us down too much.
Give it five years and we may have a stable team we can start to get behind and get a bit emotional about.
Sadly many of those few players who have stuck with the team probably won't be around to see that.
Fair enough, however if it were me in charge of the AFLW, I would have put rules in place such as new teams can only poach one player from any one club.
Fair enough, however if it were me in charge of the AFLW, I would have put rules in place such as new teams can only poach one player from any one club.
That’s way too reasonable and sensible
For a quick fix...
They should void all the contracts.
Get the players to nominate if they want to be part of the competition.
Set a salary cap...and away we go. ;D
Fresh start...even playing field ;)
For a quick fix...
They should void all the contracts.
Get the players to nominate if they want to be part of the competition.
Set a salary cap...and away we go. ;D
Fresh start...even playing field ;)
Not sure that would work. Most of Adelaide, who have the biggest gerrymander in their favour, would probably stick together because they're winning premierships.
Certainly, it would make a difference to the Victorian clubs. After all, the playing field is not close to equal here either.
Not sure that would work. Most of Adelaide, who have the biggest gerrymander in their favour, would probably stick together because they're winning premierships.
Certainly, it would make a difference to the Victorian clubs. After all, the playing field is not close to equal here either.
It was kind of a tongue in cheek suggestion...
but if they did stick together it would be on a pretty average wage.
The salary cap would mean that some of the players would need to take less than they could get elsewhere.
It won't happen but if such system came in the competition would even itself out fairly quickly.
The inequality and loss of players at the moment is largely because we haven't gone to a full representation of teams up until now.
Once that settles and we should see a stability amongst playing groups...and salary restrictions and opportunities will determine movement.
If we lose Moody, Prespakis, Gee, Stevens and Egan, we may as well sell of the rest of the list while we are at it.
Moody, Prespakis, Gee and Egan was our starting midfield at the start of the year before we got Hill back.
F*** me.
Egan to Richmond
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Well, sad to see Greg go but after the InstaDebacle this was probably inevitable.
We'll get another media lecture from apologist norbits like Peter Ryan, claiming that it's not the player's fault, but I suspect these girls might get a dose of fan reality next time we play.
You can't put out your hand for the big dollars and expect to be applauded, the idea that can happen is just some weirdos fantasy!
This one probably hurts a bit more because it's not even an expansion club this time around, we can't even blame money!
There is a bit of an air of instability, perhaps a bit of white-anting going on, bitter former employees / lovers!
I hope the club and Harf hold their line, squash the white-ants or even better expose them in the process, and make the club a destination for players who actually want to be there.
No great loss and not unexpected after the Essendon theme song fiasco.
At least I won't have to worry about 'deer in the headlights' holding the ball frees next season :)
Good luck Greg, but don't let the door hit your butt on the way out!
No great loss ...................
Can't really agree with that, ................... but if they want out then they have to go there is no bet each way in professional sport or any team sport for that matter, you are either 100% committed or you aren't, oddly that will always be binary.
I've have to ponder that perhaps this apparent players desire to have a bet each way is a symptom of a wider AFLW psyche, I suppose I'll get lambasted for that!
Greg is/was a real character.
She was one of my favourites behind Gee based on what she does on the field and what she is like off it.
Has the odd brain fade (and her reactions to it during are pretty funny) but oozes skill and hunger.
Won't be easily replaced.
Moody was rumoured to be chased by a few clubs too, if she does end up going, thats our starting midfield from the start of the year gone in 1 off-season.
A few years back Liverpool women's faced a similar exodus and everyone thought they'd take ages to recover. Fast forward a couple of years and they are a dominant force in the WEPL (i dont know what they call it).
Let the ones who don't want to be here go. We won't miss them.
We'll be OK if we get compensated, but we'll be shafted going by history.
The feeling of a few disenfranchised fans may come out as serious booing next year. I hope those players are ready for it. I fear it might get nasty.
We'll be OK if we get compensated, but we'll be shafted going by history.
The feeling of a few disenfranchised fans may come out as serious booing next year. I hope those players are ready for it. I fear it might get nasty.
There is the big question. I somehow doubt what we get will be what as good as what we lose, but I hope I'm wrong.
As for the traitors, the AFLW hasn't seen that level of feeling before. But, if it is to happen, they'll probably be the targets.
There is the big question. I somehow doubt what we get will be what as good as what we lose, but I hope I'm wrong.
As for the traitors, the AFLW hasn't seen that level of feeling before. But, if it is to happen, they'll probably be the targets.
I don't possibly know how we could be compensated accordingly.
If we got the first 2 picks in the draft, then we'd come close, but still probably fall short. Chance of that happening are less likely than the mens going undefeated from here and winning the next 3 flags.
A few years back Liverpool women's faced a similar exodus and everyone thought they'd take ages to recover. Fast forward a couple of years and they are a dominant force in the WEPL (i dont know what they call it).
Let the ones who don't want to be here go. We won't miss them.
I hardly watch the AFLW but haven't we underperformed the last couple of years?
I hardly watch the AFLW but haven't we underperformed the last couple of years?
2020 we were in the grand final with a good chance to win and then covid struck. Wheels have fallen off since then.
Liverpool were pretty similar. Not bad but not the best, and then had a few walk out in sensational circumstances potting the club on the way out the door.
Beyond that, the women's EPL is a different beast.
I have to say that having seen gaggles of girls though life, team sport's seems a bit antithesis for them, but I suppose in an all girls comp that struggle is universal. I suspect the movement will be a bit of a constant in that competition though.
At least we are not the only ones hit.
Erin Phillips is going across town to Port Adelaide.
If they get anything close to the compensation we get for Maddy P, the system is a sham.
Maddy is 10+ years younger (ditto Gee) and has her best years ahead of her at her new club. Phillips will most likely have 1 and done.
At least we are not the only ones hit.
Erin Phillips is going across town to Port Adelaide.
If they get anything close to the compensation we get for Maddy P, the system is a sham.
Maddy is 10+ years younger (ditto Gee) and has her best years ahead of her at her new club. Phillips will most likely have 1 and done.
I'm not really up with the compensation aspect but with all these new teams coming into the competition can we expect any compensation, and if so will it have a lot of value given that you would expect any draft to heavily favour the new sides.
I'm not really up with the compensation aspect but with all these new teams coming into the competition can we expect any compensation, and if so will it have a lot of value given that you would expect any draft to heavily favour the new sides.
Short version, nobody knows what we can expect, if anything, but prev I ously it's been 'something'.
1000% we will be a lot weaker and compensation won't scratch the surface on what we lost....if it's anything at all.
It's more secretive than the secret herbs and spices in KFC.
Short version, nobody knows what we can expect, if anything, but prev I ously it's been 'something'.
1000% we will be a lot weaker and compensation won't scratch the surface on what we lost....if it's anything at all.
It's more secretive than the secret herbs and spices in KFC.
If nothing is set in stone I doubt we'll get anything.
An extra draft pick late in the draft after they've prioritised the new sides might be the best we can hope for.
Clubs that poach players should give up their draft picks in return, otherwise it's just theft. How does the league seriously expect us to be competitive going forwards otherwise?
Clubs that poach players should give up their draft picks in return, otherwise it's just theft. How does the league seriously expect us to be competitive going forwards otherwise?
There's a good argument for that with established clubs, but as we've seen with the men's competition there has to be 'out of whack' advantages for new clubs otherwise they won't be competitive.
That effects us quite severely in the short term but once all the sides are up and running a lot of these issues will disappear, things will stabalize, and the 'fairness' won't be an issue.
I'm actually looking forward to that because then we may be able to better emotionally connect with our team, rather than get upset with players who leave after only playing around 30 games.
I don't need to connect emotionally with the side Lods, I hated those black and red filthy <deleted> thieving <deleted> <deleted> <deleted> AFL-endorsed <deleted> cheats before this.
There's a good argument for that with established clubs, but as we've seen with the men's competition there has to be 'out of whack' advantages for new clubs otherwise they won't be competitive.
I'd argue the opposite, the prevalence of poaching older established talent hasn't accelerated the development of youth at clubs like GWS or GC, it's delayed them because the bulk of the list are continually subordinate to an imported culture. In other words they have made the bulk of the list have a dependency rather than the new players becoming a scaffold for improvement. Mumford at GWS is the prime example, they have struggled to replace him despite getting the cream of the crop to choose from!
I think part of the problem is the lack of a Reserves competition, the natural way to introduce new club's would have been to have them in the Reserves level for a season or two while they built a list, then promote them instead of just throwing them in the deep end at the highest level. Satellite comps like suburban or state are not the same as Reserves, as players disperse rather than form a single competitive unit.
Coaches like Cameron had little chance, they were given a jigsaw puzzle with some gilded pieces that didn't really fit the finished product.
How players like Prespakis fair at a new club will be interesting, but she has youth on her side and time to adjust, and she will have to adjust because while fans look at her with rose coloured glasses in reality she carries little weight amongst her new set of peers. Peers only judge you based on what you have done, not what you promise. It took on-field performance from players like Judd and Cripps to win over team-mates, not a promise of a performance.
I think part of the problem is the lack of a Reserves competition, the natural way to introduce new club's would have been to have them in the Reserves level for a season or two while they built a list, then promote them instead of just throwing them in the deep end at the highest level. Satellite comps like suburban or state are not the same as Reserves, as players disperse rather than form a single competitive unit.
I don't remember clearly...but didn't they do that with the GWS side
As far as this "competition" is concerned it is a farce ... a little league would be more entertaining.
I don't remember clearly...but didn't they do that with the GWS side
There was no Reserves, I believe as a club they established GWS as a team in the TAC Cup and the NEAFL, but those players had to go through the draft to get to the AFL.
The point of difference being I think they should have been drafting into a Reserves in the AFL, and retaining those players under AFL contract terms.
For me what they did was pretty much the same sort of continual reset that we keep going through when we repeatedly sack the coach, it's like continually taking 2 steps back to go 3 steps forward. Except in the GWS case they kept the coach and turnover players. Either strategy is flawed, it's sticking fat and building unity and connection while working around the frayed edges that brings success. When we change the coach, or they turnover marquee players, it's like the Emperor's New Suit. We know this well having suffered the messiah complex for so long!
There was no Reserves, I believe as a club they established GWS as a club in the TAC Cup and the NEAFL, but those players had to go through the draft to get to the AFL.
The point of difference being I think they should have been drafting into a Reserves in the AFL, and retaining those players under AFL contract terms.
For me what they did was pretty much the same sort of continual reset that we keep going through when we repeatedly sack the coach, it's like continually taking 2 steps back to go 3 steps forward. Except in the GWS case they kept the coach and turnover players. Either strategy is flawed, it's sticking fat and building unity and connection while working around the frayed edges that brings success. When we change the coach, or they turnover marquee players, it's like the Emperor's New Suit. We know this well having suffered the messiah complex for so long!
I thought the young GWS players were drafted and contracted and then played for a year or two in those lower competitions to develop as a team ...but yes it was nowhere near an AFL reserves level.
I thought the young GWS players were drafted and contracted and then played for a year or two in those lower competitions to develop as a team ...but yes it was nowhere near an AFL reserves level.
Suns did the same
Is this bad luck for some players?
| Tier | 2019 | 2020 | 2021 | 2022A | 2022B |
| One | $24,600 | $29,856 | $32,077 | $37,155 | $71,935 |
| Two | $19,000 | $23,059 | $24,775 | $28,697 | $55,559 |
| Three | $16,200 | $19,661 | $21,124 | $24,468 | $47,372 |
| Four | $13,400 | $16,263 | $17,473 | $20,239 | $39,184 |
Despite four new teams – Essendon, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide and Sydney – joining the competition, the new season will remain at 10 rounds, however an extra week of finals will be added and a top eight introduced.
I suspect a year or two in those new clubs like CheatsFC that offered long deals to steal players are going to be filled with regret.
Is this bad luck for some players?I suspect a year or two in those new clubs like CheatsFC that offered long deals to steal players are going to be filled with regret.
The whole thing is a farce because our (former) girls will be getting additional sponsorships at the bombers to go along with their 'football payments'.
Thats why it was so laughable at the Tayla Harris 150k speculation. I said at the time that their simply wasn't scope for her to earn that within the system. She'd need to earn 80% of that outside of football payments and its simply not an option.
I'd question Greg leaving as one that is not monetarily based. She'd get as much here as she'd get at Tigers. So either she was pushed, or was not welcomed back, or there is a rift with the club. Strange decision.
On the other hand Nic Stevens leaving could certainly be about cash.