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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #180 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Thanks Carlton... For paying the bills for the media vultures.   Twenty ****ing years Carlton,  thanks.   Hearing Whately giggling and laughing with Cornes today, we're a sick joke.

I like Teague,  but this group of players have done him no service.  I hope some of them follow him out the door,  they deserve it.
Just like round 22 2012 when they did the same to Ratten. Needed a wins against a depleted, bottom placed Gold Coast to get into the 8, and we fell 7 goals behind before losing by two. The effort was so poor and it stamped Ratten's papers that week. Players basically presented Ratten's head on a platter. Nothing has changed since.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #181 –
So it's time identify those players and f*** them off.  Today.  Not end of season.   Today.

DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #182 –
Quote from: Professer E on
So it's time identify those players and f*** them off.  Today.  Not end of season.   Today.

Yes. Otherwise we just change the coach again for the same or a worse result.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #183 –
Quote from: Professer E on
So it's time identify those players and f*** them off.  Today.  Not end of season.   Today.

That might well run deep Prof.   :-[

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #184 –
So be it.   Because the status quo hasn't worked for 20+ years.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #185 –
I seem to be a bit different to many (not all) who have posted.  As soon as Harry was out, it was game over.  People have wanted Kennedy to play in the forward line because he is a good mark and kick.  That's where he was played.  Now they only want to play him in the middle, because he was good there the last couple of weeks.  Do that, who do we kick the ball to in the forward line?

Just using Kennedy as the conundrum that we're in.

We are pushing sh.. uphill to think that JSOS is OK to be the 2nd ruck.  Not faulting him or the team for his effort, but it isn't going to work that much.

I don't think I have ever seen a team who has kicked 7+ goals in a quarter have their opponents chase, tackle, harass, control the ball, change things up.  I just prefer it when it is Carlton kicking the goals.

I'm not surprised, or upset by the result - although I couldn't watch the game from early in the third.  Yep, we could have made more of our opportunities in the first half, but what if we kicked a goal instead of a point, then Goldstein got the tap and North got the ball going their way earlier.  We will never know.  What if that gave us confidence and we kept going.  We will never know.

We are going to get beaten by the Saints - their rucks are too good for TDK, with Marshall coming back in.  TDK has only played 18 games.

On second thoughts, f%^ it.  Let's just sack the coach and start again, because that's proven to be a winner for us over the last 20 years.  Or we can just turnover the whole list again, so that everyone is confident in their role and tenure - that's also proven to be well thought out and successful.

(PS Baggers - you deserve to be able to vote a few times in the Jim Park count for getting through the game and then going again).

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #186 –
If there wasn't this focus on Teague and his position was assured, we'd probably be looking at some of the team selections, positional moves,  the management of players... and the effort, and think...'they've put the cue in the rack for this year.'

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #187 –
Quote from: Professer E on
So it's time identify those players and f*** them off.  Today.  Not end of season.  Today.
I doubt it is the players or the coaches because the problem has spanned many careers of both coaches and players.

It is probably a cultural issue that diffuses through the club from the very top, we've give lip service to a change in culture, but we still act like we can trade our way out if it!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #188 –
Quote from: LP on
I doubt it is the players or the coaches because the problem has spanned many careers of both coaches and players.

It is probably a cultural issue that diffuses through the club from the very top, we've give lip service to a change in culture, but we still act like we can trade our way out if it!

Anyone who has worked in large organisations will tell you that low morale and negativity start at the top.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #189 –
i won't be posting the coaches' votes this week. They're all North players.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #190 –
Our game and the Geelong Richmond game are the only two where one club had a clean sweep of the votes. Good company I guess...............

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #191 –
I am so tired of hanging onto players 'just in case they come good'.....

I look at the younger brigade of players that other teams are producing (think especially Swans, Lions, even Bombers), and all I can think is we are so far off the pace, it is a farce.  I don't think it's about the players we have selected - it's almost not possible to get that many wrong.  We just don't know how to turn a talented kid into an AFL footballer (blokes like Walsh and Weitering develop themselves, so they don't count).

Because our younger players are nowhere ready to play, there is no pressure on the myriad of list-cloggers that get a game every week and cruise around the ground like it's a Sunday picnic.

The lack of effort in the 3rd Quarter was ridiculous and embarrassing - in the end, it is the 22 in Navy Blue that must own up to the fact that they barely looked interested.   What we are clearly missing is the enthusiasm and energy that comes when a bunch of young guys come in and make a contribution that lifts the whole group.  Instead, we have a group that appears resigned to the fact that they will never be good enough.

I don't think I would want to be working in the Carlton Membership department over the off-season - it is going to be a very difficult sell.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #192 –
Quote from: tonyo on
I am so tired of hanging onto players 'just in case they come good'.....

I look at the younger brigade of players that other teams are producing (think especially Swans, Lions, even Bombers), and all I can think is we are so far off the pace, it is a farce.  I don't think it's about the players we have selected - it's almost not possible to get that many wrong.  We just don't know how to turn a talented kid into an AFL footballer (blokes like Walsh and Weitering develop themselves, so they don't count).

Because our younger players are nowhere ready to play, there is no pressure on the myriad of list-cloggers that get a game every week and cruise around the ground like it's a Sunday picnic.

The lack of effort in the 3rd Quarter was ridiculous and embarrassing - in the end, it was the 22 in Navy Blue that must own up to the fact that they barely looked interested.  

I don't think I would want to be working in the Carlton Membership department over the off-season - it would be a very difficult sell.

Quite apart from the physical and skill development, which is on the coaches and conditioning folks....

I think there are few periods in our last twenty years where we've essentially 'lost our leaders'.
The most dramatic one was probably in the early-mid Pagan years.
As the older players of the nineties retired or were moved on...
A young Marc Murphy came into a side where the leaders were guys like an aging Kouta (great player, arguably not a great leader) Lance Whitnall, Nick Stevens...and Fev

The Judd years were moderately successful but Patrick Cripps only caught the tail of that.
This was his initial leadership group in his first season 2014...

Marc Murphy (c); Andrew Carrazzo, Kade Simpson (vc), Michael Jamison (dvc), Bryce Gibbs, Lachlan Henderson, Brock McLean, Andrew Walker.

Some good, average footballers, but in terms of leadership probably only one or two had the necessary qualities.

So to the rebuild... and we look and see that only one of our 2014 leadership group remains at the club...and he is struggling to get a game.

Now with players like Weitering and Walsh we may have the nucleus of a strong leadership group, but the results of those guys influencing younger players and have them joining them in leadership positions is probably still a season or two away.

Contrast that with some of the successful clubs, where young players undergo an initiation under the guidance of strong, experienced leaders and you see another reason why we struggle.

It's a sad state that a club that once prided itself on the quality of its 'player leaders' has this more recent history of mediocrity, which has been passed down through each new generation of leaders.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #193 –
Quote from: LP on
As good as Charlie is or can be, the only thing he has done is play 2/3rds of a game that was the equivalent of dancing with your sister!

...

Of course that doesn't mean he couldn't come in and be an instant success, but where is the reward relative to the risk?

Only thing he has done is 2 months of training! He's done a pre-seasons worth of work and played a 'practice match'.
What difference is that to if it was Round 1 this year? Because its Round 19 or whatever it is, he's still done enough work as anyone else who played in R1.

FWIW, Charlie is in at the front of the pack in terms of fitness anyway. 2x Curnows, Cottrell and Walsh lead all the time trial stuff.

As for the reward?  Confidence!
Confidence for Charlie......in understanding he CAN still play footy....not have to wait another 6 months of doubting.
Confidence for the club....in realising that Charlie CAN still play footy....not have to worry about finding his replacement.
Confidence for the team...in seeing that Charlie CAN still play footy...and understanding next year will be better.
Confidence for potential recruits....is knowing that Charlie CAN still play footy....and wanting to come and play with him.

More than enough reward imo.
 

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #194 –
I'd play him....

But I can understand a reluctance.
If things go bad they'll get crucified.
That mightn't be what's right....but is what will happen.

It's also probably a little different playing your first game when all around you on both sides are battle hardened.
And you and your teammates haven't played together under hard match conditions for some time.