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Re: Judd '15

Reply #15 –
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Am I the only one who thinks he is fairly ordinary as a forward?

I've never seen it either. Not a great set shot for goal.
x2, as great as the Champ has been, he is not a fwds a-hole. Set shot or on the run, he is pretty average IMO. Its what makes Ablett a better player than Judd, kicks many more goals.
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Reply #16 –
We still need him in traffic.

Still has enough pace and the awareness to make good decision and put the ball to our advantage.
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Reply #17 –
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We still need him in traffic.

Still has enough pace and the awareness to make good decision and put the ball to our advantage.
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Reply #18 –
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Am I the only one who thinks he is fairly ordinary as a forward?

I've never seen it either. Not a great set shot for goal.
x2, as great as the Champ has been, he is not a fwds a-hole. Set shot or on the run, he is pretty average IMO. Its what makes Ablett a better player than Judd, kicks many more goals.

I reckon Judd WCE days he was a better player than Ablett at his best. Big call I know but Judd was just electric.
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Reply #19 –
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Am I the only one who thinks he is fairly ordinary as a forward?

I've never seen it either. Not a great set shot for goal.
x2, as great as the Champ has been, he is not a fwds a-hole. Set shot or on the run, he is pretty average IMO. Its what makes Ablett a better player than Judd, kicks many more goals.

The game has evolved so much that we almost need to consider the nomenclature we use. A forward doesn't actually have to be a forward in the traditional sense. We now have defensive forwards, hit up forwards, crumbing forwards...

Judd can play forward, but he doesn't necessarily have to kick goals to be effective. His ability to find space where there is little, and find someone in space when it is nigh on impossible would be a welcome addition to any forwardline.

I still remember a clip where he picked up the ball either in or at the top of the goal square, heavy traffic, was about to give a handball off over the top of the pack but at the last second held onto it, and gave off a handball to the next bloke running past who was in a better position = goal.
The presence and ability to read the situation is second to none. Kicking goals or not is irrelevant.

I can't find footage of that handball.

I did find this however, guess it'll have to do.
[flash=560,315]http://www.youtube.com/v/GoeH6mtrcTQ[/flash]

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Reply #20 –
Could watch that all day Krudds ;)

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Reply #21 –
He did that on a borked leg as well. I think he creates far more goals from the middle though

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Reply #22 –
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I reckon Judd WCE days he was a better player than Ablett at his best. Big call I know but Judd was just electric.

I'd second that. He was also playing alongside Cousins and Kerr which equates to Ablett's Geelong era heroics alongside Bartel, Selwood and Co. Judd just seemed so explosive.
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Reply #23 –
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Am I the only one who thinks he is fairly ordinary as a forward?

Actually, in his last year for the Eagles, because of his injury, he played out of the goalsquare and did well, especially considering he was restricted. He read the play well and was certainly good on the lead.

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Reply #24 –
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Am I the only one who thinks he is fairly ordinary as a forward?

Actually, in his last year for the Eagles, because of his injury, he played out of the goalsquare and did well, especially considering he was restricted. He read the play well and was certainly good on the lead.

I understand his best is behind him but he has never really played as a forward. Sure he rested there in games but his game mindset was always as a mid and any forward play he did was filling in a blank rather then changing his game as a forward.

Lets not forget how good this man is when he puts his mind to it. I would back him to kick 30-40 goals a year and as a permenent forward but doubt it will ever happen. We cant afford that luxury. He is still out best inside mid by a streak when fit so unlikely to see he great man change his game to focus on being a forward. 

Put him in hawks team and lock him in on a HFF. Easy 40 goals a year and will set up heaps as well.

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Reply #25 –
Judd is the most extraordinary player of our era.

Only people jealous that he came to carlton and not their team would say otherwise. imo.  ;D

WCE got the best of him as he had better team mates.... but they also ran him in to the ground.

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Reply #26 –
Ablett is on another level to Judd and any other player of this century.
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Reply #27 –
^^

No chance. Ablett could only dream of having the break away speed Judd possessed at his best.
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Reply #28 –
Comparing Ablett to Judd is like comparing Sam Jacobs to Dean Cox, all equally good footballers but very different!

Ablett links up through the midfield with plenty of gives and receives because players can keep pace with him. Ablett has better agility than Judd and so perhaps this makes Ablett a more rounded option.

Judd doesn't link up much at all, because when he gets the ball in free space they watch him head off into the distance. It's a problem because often the preferred targets cannot ahead of him even when he is carrying the ball! This is why you don't see Judd with 40 possession games, Ablett can rack up 40 possessions before he has exited the center square!

Ablett gets pinged with the ball quite often, Judd hardly ever got caught until a year or so ago.

Ablett is a better forward option, Judd is a better midfield option.

If our club stops butchering Murphy he could be as effective as Ablett, they actually play a very similar game if only Murphy was a touch bigger. For what it is worth Gibbs could be as effective as Ablett. But none will ever be like Judd, superior skills aside they just don't have the tricks.
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Reply #29 –
The Judd v Ablett debate will continue for ever and everyone  has their own opinion. To use an F1 analogy, Schumacher went to Ferrari when they were a basket case, attracted some good support staff, 5 WC's later... His impact was immense. Senna chose to go to Williams instead of Ferrari because they were the best team with the best resources. Why? What did he achieve there? Didnt score a single point for the first time in his career and then unfortunately lost his life. The analogy is that I reckon Ablett has had a bigger impact on the Suns than Judd has at Carlton. Not saying Judd has had no or little impact on his young team mates, I just reckon Gaz has had more. Coming from me thats a massive statement. (a). Because I would turn and marry Juddy if he asked me to (b). I was a big Ablett hater who thought he was overrated when he was at Geelong. They will go down as two of the best mids to ever play the game, I just reckon Gaz shades just because of the few things I have mentioned.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time