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Reply #15
Somyurek's suspension is lifted and now Labour are worried he will go against bill lol.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #16
There are certainly elements of the bill that don't sit comfortably.   From what I gather,  the idea of it isn't being rejected by the Human Rights Commission,  QCs etc, but some of the powers and oversight is being questioned.

So how does Parliament operate?  Governing Party goes nup. Not going to listen.   This is what it is - we've 'consulted' with you.   Opposition goes nup we don't support it, it is draconian,  over the top,  we'll repeal it when we get the chance. Minority parties go here are some amendments we would like.

Wouldn't it be great to hear: Governing party go we hear your concerns,  but this is why the bill is written this way.   The opposition go - here are the amendments to make it workable and fair and reasonable.   The minorities go here are some of our amendments.

Result of the first are the tv images,  threats to pollies, ugly, divisive language and scenes.

Result of the second is people having a better understanding of why it is needed and that Parliament is working for us.

I really hope the first isn't here to stay.

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Reply #17
Somyurek's suspension is lifted and now Labour are worried he will go against bill lol.

He most certainly will. It now leaves the bill in deadlock. Meaning the bill won’t pass. However there will be 11 days for the Dan Andrews government to grind away at another cross bench member to get the numbers. I know the existing bill is something we never thought we would see and imagine something far against our human rights. The same for our employment rights. Don’t look at a few amendments to quickly drive this through the system. Why are you in such a hurry Mr Andrews? December 15th deadline end to the current Act giving you problems. Reasons to lift more restrictions and many for ever? Considering we will have made the percentage of fully vaccinated people in the state. What was promised in terms of living with the virus. You conveniently need this new bill in place as soon as possible. To activate it into play. Then making each setting suit your needs at your discretion. Surely these few amendments are better than the original draft, but they are still lipstick on a pig. They still leave too many interpretations to violate rights without safety nets in place. A monitoring process to judge the actions of the bill. Actions of the government. Independent committee members. Not members of the same government in power or cross bench members with the same political views. A bill that is put in place to be fair for all and still allow judicial intervention when needed. Penalties and fines being holding a fair weight against a breach. For example Dan Andrews is penalised $400 for a no mask breach of health regulations yet his new bill has something similar for $20,909. This has been recommended to be halved. Still excessive. Still too many jail time rules to be locked up for 2 years. Still a sugar coated set of amendments. It needs to be written with care and fair but lest be honest strict regulations. Police enforcement rules need to be modified. Especially property access based on some suspicion of a potential breach of a directive. Some suspicion? It needs to be produced with proper consideration of the consequences to how the people will react and respond. Mental health needs serious consideration. Why can’t all members of the upper house have input to the bill being created? Why is there a rush to push this new bill into action?

Dan states the N.S.W bill is far more strict than his new bill. The New Zealand bill is far more strict than his new bill. The problem with the bill is less of a worry about what the bill allows. It is more of a fear of what it allows Dan Andrews and Mr Health minister Foley, to set in place based on the powers the bill allows. Victoria was once the best place to live. He new Bill needs to be replaced with something that can see better transparency over the current bill. No doubt. However not thank you for your input but we have considered your views which don’t count, so we will do things as we originally planned. We heard you but don’t care. Politicians have a difficult job when things are tough. Why though through this covid period did they have an approved pay increase which was substantial. Dan stated it was because they need to work extra hard during this pandemic. Yet many people lost their jobs. Lost their businesses. Struggling with reduced hours in the jobs they perform. To earn less. On wages lower than those in the lower or upper house. At least the New Zealand Prime Minister suggested and executed a pay reduction to all politicians to wear some of the financial burden all the people feel. To state we are all going through this together. Vote will take place soon. If it gets a vote into power and gets activated before the 15th of December it tells me there was a plan for this to help keep the Dan Andrews in power for the next 11 months. Maybe more. An agenda.
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Reply #18
He most certainly will. It now leaves the bill in deadlock. Meaning the bill won’t pass. However there will be 11 days for the Dan Andrews government to grind away at another cross bench member to get the numbers. I know the existing bill is something we never thought we would see and imagine something far against our human rights. The same for our employment rights. Don’t look at a few amendments to quickly drive this through the system. Why are you in such a hurry Mr Andrews? December 15th deadline end to the current Act giving you problems. Reasons to lift more restrictions and many for ever? Considering we will have made the percentage of fully vaccinated people in the state. What was promised in terms of living with the virus. You conveniently need this new bill in place as soon as possible. To activate it into play. Then making each setting suit your needs at your discretion. Surely these few amendments are better than the original draft, but they are still lipstick on a pig. They still leave too many interpretations to violate rights without safety nets in place. A monitoring process to judge the actions of the bill. Actions of the government. Independent committee members. Not members of the same government in power or cross bench members with the same political views. A bill that is put in place to be fair for all and still allow judicial intervention when needed. Penalties and fines being holding a fair weight against a breach. For example Dan Andrews is penalised $400 for a no mask breach of health regulations yet his new bill has something similar for $20,909. This has been recommended to be halved. Still excessive. Still too many jail time rules to be locked up for 2 years. Still a sugar coated set of amendments. It needs to be written with care and fair but lest be honest strict regulations. Police enforcement rules need to be modified. Especially property access based on some suspicion of a potential breach of a directive. Some suspicion? It needs to be produced with proper consideration of the consequences to how the people will react and respond. Mental health needs serious consideration. Why can’t all members of the upper house have input to the bill being created? Why is there a rush to push this new bill into action?

Dan states the N.S.W bill is far more strict than his new bill. The New Zealand bill is far more strict than his new bill. The problem with the bill is less of a worry about what the bill allows. It is more of a fear of what it allows Dan Andrews and Mr Health minister Foley, to set in place based on the powers the bill allows. Victoria was once the best place to live. He new Bill needs to be replaced with something that can see better transparency over the current bill. No doubt. However not thank you for your input but we have considered your views which don’t count, so we will do things as we originally planned. We heard you but don’t care. Politicians have a difficult job when things are tough. Why though through this covid period did they have an approved pay increase which was substantial. Dan stated it was because they need to work extra hard during this pandemic. Yet many people lost their jobs. Lost their businesses. Struggling with reduced hours in the jobs they perform. To earn less. On wages lower than those in the lower or upper house. At least the New Zealand Prime Minister suggested and executed a pay reduction to all politicians to wear some of the financial burden all the people feel. To state we are all going through this together. Vote will take place soon. If it gets a vote into power and gets activated before the 15th of December it tells me there was a plan for this to help keep the Dan Andrews in power for the next 11 months. Maybe more. An agenda.

Just quietly, and I wouldn't be the only one in this position either, but the health care workers at my place of employment all have missed out on the last 2 pay rises that were due based on our EBA. 

It is supposed to increase in line with CPI.  

Why theirs went up and ours didn't is abysmal and im sure he hasn't dressed like a human condomn to go to work either.
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Reply #19
Just quietly, and I wouldn't be the only one in this position either, but the health care workers at my place of employment all have missed out on the last 2 pay rises that were due based on our EBA. 

It is supposed to increase in line with CPI.  

Why theirs went up and ours didn't is abysmal and im sure he hasn't dressed like a human condomn to go to work either.
I think from memory Andrews donated his 10k pay rise to charity after copping flak and left it up to his ministers what they wanted to do.

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Reply #20
I'm not sure after a pandemic in which many people lost their jobs, business or support, that complaining about people getting a rise in the context of complaining about not getting a rise is a functional argument.

You think that just keeping yourself in work was a win!
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Reply #21
I'm sure the conservatives would love members of parliament to receive no pay at all. That way, the independently wealthy would be the only ones in the running. Ensuring pay scales that allow good candidates to have a career in public service is a good thing. That was the thinking behind appointing an independent board to review parliamentary pay: it would avoid the pollies being pressured to vote against pay rises because of political backlash from voters, thereby making a career as a parliamentarian progressively more unattractive. As it is, the Premier is paid much less than a CEO of a company of comparable size to the State of Victoria. And unlike CEOs, the Premier doesn't get million dollar payouts when he retires or loses his position.

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Reply #22
Dan is on $450K a year so he won't needing to go to cash converters anytime soon to hock his beloved North Face jacket.
Think he is the best paid Premier in Australia as well... If he was the CEO of a large corporation he would have been fired long ago. Scomo is on about 550k, think I read the NZ govt took a 20% pay cut across the ministry during the main pandemic period but Scomo didn't want to do same...


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Reply #23
Nor should he. It's just a lazy whinge that's trotted out every so often as a rhetorical flourish rather than a serious policy issue.

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Reply #24
Nor should he. It's just a lazy whinge that's trotted out every so often as a rhetorical flourish rather than a serious policy issue.
Was serious enough for him to put a minimum 6 month wage freeze on public servants... I guess serving the public is a bit different to serving yourself.

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Reply #25
Did he order them to give $10k to charity as well?

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Reply #26
Premier is probably underpaid, minions are probably overpaid.
Neither should have received pay rises at the same time everyone else was going backwards.
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Reply #27
Did he order them to give $10k to charity as well?
Maybe it went to Hillsong.. Followers have to give 10% of their earnings to PM good buddy Brian Houston.. I guess Brian would trump those poor sods who lost their jobs during Covid. Must be nice living off others, paying no tax and having your good mate the charitable  PM have your back.

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Reply #28
Somyurek's suspension is lifted and now Labour are worried he will go against bill lol.
I love how the press and the Opposition are treating Somyurek as a saviour who is voting this way to protect the people of Victoria.

In reality, after what happened in IBAC, he would be liking nothing more than the opportunity to give Dan a metaphorical endoscopy using an oversized probe with the word 'NO' emblazoned on the side......
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #29
So from midnight tonight the unvaccinated are outcast from society.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!