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Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: crashlander on August 16, 2014, 02:42:06 pm

Title: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: crashlander on August 16, 2014, 02:42:06 pm
Hmmm. We seem pretty good at sorting out the pretenders from the real contenders. We can finish no higher than 13th, no lower than 14th. I reckon Port better start worrying.
Our only issue is whether or not we are going to manage to get 22 fit guys out there!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Amers on August 16, 2014, 07:01:31 pm
Port won today in the wet, I'm hoping the rain has taken a heck of a lot out of their legs and they'll be a bit flat next week !!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 16, 2014, 07:20:56 pm
Hmmm. We seem pretty good at sorting out the pretenders from the real contenders. We can finish no higher than 13th, no lower than 14th. I reckon Port better start worrying.
Our only issue is whether or not we are going to manage to get 22 fit guys out there!

If we have the fit 22 we win IMO. Look out Scum round 23!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Baggers on August 16, 2014, 07:35:32 pm
Hmmm. We seem pretty good at sorting out the pretenders from the real contenders. We can finish no higher than 13th, no lower than 14th. I reckon Port better start worrying.
Our only issue is whether or not we are going to manage to get 22 fit guys out there!

Jeffy would be a monty to get a recall after today's effort for the NBs... Cripps a chance as well. Like to see Byrne get a game before the year is out. Johnson would be a chance as well.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: laj on August 16, 2014, 07:48:35 pm
Cripps in and try him in one of the key positions. He's tall enough and seen him take contested pack grabs forward in the VFL. Be good when it hits the deck too. Worth a go at this time of the year.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: blue4life on August 16, 2014, 09:35:02 pm
I'm with Laj, put Cripps in the seniors for the last two games and he'll know what he needs to do in the off season.
I'd be playing Garlett and Lucas as well, have one last look at Lucas before we cut him loose.
We could play Watson ahead of White too, same reason as Lucas and White's mediocre anyway.
Can't see us winning, too many good players missing.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: age on August 16, 2014, 10:43:01 pm
Will be hard for s to win given the outs, but if we play like we have over last few weeks not without a chance
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 16, 2014, 11:05:48 pm
Will be hard for s to win given the outs, but if we play like we have over last few weeks not without a chance

I'm more worried about the ins   ie Watson if he plays ...lets hope he doesnt play down back if he does come into the team...we will get beat by 10 goals if that happens.
Rather see Cripps, Holman in and maybe Garlett for Ellard......
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: crashlander on August 17, 2014, 03:07:20 pm
Given our injuries, we will not start favourites in either of our last 2 games. That said, we are a good chance because we look to be good at separating true contenders from pretenders. We ARE playing as well as anyone in the competition at the moment.
However, there are some scenarios:
[1] We win both game. We remain 13th, as the Weagles are 2 game in front of up and have a huge percentage.
I don't think it is very likely, but it would be nice to put Port and Essendon in their place.

[2] We win 1 game. We remain 13th unless either Brisbane or the Bulldogs win both. Not a very likely scenario. Brisbane take on Freo and Geelong, the Bulldogs take on Sydney and the Giants. The Dogs will probably win one game, which would leave us in 13th spot.

[3] We win 0 games: the most likely alternative. We stay in 13th place unless Brisbane or Western Bulldogs win 1 game. Now the Dogs should beat the Giants. If that happens, we go to 14th and get a better pick.

So, we have the opportunity to get some wins with no penalty. I like that idea.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: laj on August 17, 2014, 03:26:06 pm
Will be hard for s to win given the outs, but if we play like we have over last few weeks not without a chance

I'm more worried about the ins   ie Watson if he plays ...lets hope he doesnt play down back if he does come into the team...we will get beat by 10 goals if that happens.
Rather see Cripps, Holman in and maybe Garlett for Ellard......

The basics of the side are still there with still the odd one or two ins still that can be useful. Reckon we're still a good chance.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: BluePhantom on August 17, 2014, 04:52:10 pm
Cripps is a no brainer.
Garlett, well he has to doesn't he?
Johnson as well, I like what I see an he needs more games.

Special K as an absolute very late in, just to through a curly one for the oppo match ups ;D
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PaulP on August 17, 2014, 09:49:21 pm
Port are at an uncertain stage in their "renaissance" - definitely some doubt creeping into the players ,minds, and not in great form.

Ellard and Thomas are not major outs in and of themselves, but whether we have the personnel to cover them is another matter.

Menz on the other hand is a blow.

We've been in good form recently and I reckon the boys will want to finish the year well and take that form into the pre season.

Blues by 10 points.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Mantis on August 17, 2014, 11:45:44 pm
This game will be our first draw for a long time. Their form is off but they have less injury issues than we do. We However look to have more fight in the belly and more tank when it counts. Could be the best game in terms of close combat than we have had so far.

Port by a point in a kick after the siren. Only because the umpires find stupid free kicks against us in the last few minutes of the game, and in almost every game.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Baggers on August 17, 2014, 11:58:13 pm
Cripps in and try him in one of the key positions. He's tall enough and seen him take contested pack grabs forward in the VFL. Be good when it hits the deck too. Worth a go at this time of the year.

From what I have seen thus far, Cripps is not quite a key position player... nor on-baller. I reckon it it's too early. Maybe it is just simply he's learning about his growing bod and what he is capable of.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: deags on August 18, 2014, 06:35:36 am
Will be hard for s to win given the outs, but if we play like we have over last few weeks not without a chance

I'm more worried about the ins   ie Watson if he plays ...lets hope he doesnt play down back if he does come into the team...we will get beat by 10 goals if that happens.
Rather see Cripps, Holman in and maybe Garlett for Ellard......

Be nice to see whether Watson can translate NB form up forward into AFL level.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: raven on August 18, 2014, 11:49:49 am
Looking forward to a few beers watching this live.

Hoping for a win.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: age on August 18, 2014, 12:59:37 pm
Not without a chance.   Think our injuries though might make this one just a little too hard
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: laj on August 18, 2014, 01:09:11 pm
Cripps in and try him in one of the key positions. He's tall enough and seen him take contested pack grabs forward in the VFL. Be good when it hits the deck too. Worth a go at this time of the year.

From what I have seen thus far, Cripps is not quite a key position player... nor on-baller. I reckon it it's too early. Maybe it is just simply he's learning about his growing bod and what he is capable of.

Reckon he can grow into that role, even if it is a little early right now. Possibly a third tall forward this week.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: laj on August 18, 2014, 01:12:00 pm
Will be hard for s to win given the outs, but if we play like we have over last few weeks not without a chance

I'm more worried about the ins   ie Watson if he plays ...lets hope he doesnt play down back if he does come into the team...we will get beat by 10 goals if that happens.
Rather see Cripps, Holman in and maybe Garlett for Ellard......

Be nice to see whether Watson can translate NB form up forward into AFL level.

Not withstanding a couple of shockers this year it's usually a case with Watson as to whether he can translate his his AFL form to the NBs....LOL! His first couple of years he played pretty well in the seniors after playing worse in the VFL.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: madbluboy on August 18, 2014, 06:42:36 pm
Daisy and Menzel cleared of serious damage and are a chance to play this week. I would hope they don't.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 18, 2014, 06:47:49 pm
OMG if we play Menzel gain this year and he wrecks his shoulder and misses the preseason I think I will disown the club. We need to start preparing for next season and that means giving a bloke like Holman a crack in the big league and giving Menz a rest.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Juddkreuzer on August 18, 2014, 07:04:06 pm
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Troy Menzel: suffered an AC joint sprain to his left shoulder, which is a reoccurrence of the injury sustained in Round 18.
Scans cleared Menzel of any structural damage and he will be a test this week.

Pretty sure an injury would be more likely to "reoccur" if hadn't been treated adequately in the first instance. LEARN FROM IT FFS!!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Woodstock on August 18, 2014, 07:48:39 pm
OMG if we play Menzel gain this year and he wrecks his shoulder and misses the preseason I think I will disown the club. We need to start preparing for next season and that means giving a bloke like Holman a crack in the big league and giving Menz a rest.

x2
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 18, 2014, 08:02:42 pm
OMG if we play Menzel gain this year and he wrecks his shoulder and misses the preseason I think I will disown the club. We need to start preparing for next season and that means giving a bloke like Holman a crack in the big league and giving Menz a rest.

Thats how I would be running things...Holman in for a taste of the bigtime and both Menzel and Daisy in the stand resting....
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Mantis on August 18, 2014, 09:01:35 pm
Daisy and Menzel cleared of serious damage and are a chance to play this week. I would hope they don't.

Play the kids and let these two get better and ready for a big preseason. Like others have stated. The risk is far too high and the benefits of letting them play is almost nothing to gain at all. Surely Mick can see this. Get Garlett back in if he is good, and stick a kid in too. If we start playing players that are borderline, we must have rocks in our heads. Something we have done in the past far too often.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: crashlander on August 18, 2014, 09:21:54 pm
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Troy Menzel: suffered an AC joint sprain to his left shoulder, which is a reoccurrence of the injury sustained in Round 18.
Scans cleared Menzel of any structural damage and he will be a test this week.

Pretty sure an injury would be more likely to "reoccur" if hadn't been treated adequately in the first instance. LEARN FROM IT FFS!!
I hope they learn and give him the week off. Get it right! The Weagles took 2 years of Judd's career by playing him with screwed up groins. That sort of thing is stupid! Look after our players so they last!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Boundaryrider on August 18, 2014, 10:12:43 pm
Play Watson...has to be given another chance. He has been a bit stiff or am I just dreaming. So slow of the start and awful reading the ball in the air.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 19, 2014, 08:16:05 am
OMG if we play Menzel gain this year and he wrecks his shoulder and misses the preseason I think I will disown the club. We need to start preparing for next season and that means giving a bloke like Holman a crack in the big league and giving Menz a rest.
Planning for next season should have begun weeks ago when we were no chance of playing finals.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Pratty on August 19, 2014, 12:14:15 pm
I wouldn't be playing Thomas or Menzel this week.

In - Cripps, Holman, Johnson
Out - Ellard, Menzel, Thomas (all injured)
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: age on August 19, 2014, 12:37:29 pm
Think Jeffy will get a run this week. 
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LordLucifer on August 19, 2014, 02:25:57 pm
Play Watson...has to be given another chance. He has been a bit stiff or am I just dreaming. So slow of the start and awful reading the ball in the air.

Fully agree about Watson.

Play him out of the goal-square as a genuine leading forward and let's see how he goes.

"last chance to dance"
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: age on August 19, 2014, 03:28:44 pm
Don't agree with playing Watson.   Has had his chance.    
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Juddkreuzer on August 19, 2014, 03:33:38 pm
Don't agree with playing Watson.   Has had his chance.  

x2. Failed at every opportunity given.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: crashlander on August 19, 2014, 03:45:53 pm
Don't agree with playing Watson.   Has had his chance.  

x2. Failed at every opportunity given.
If we lose too many bodies, I would give Watson a go. Provided he started forward and was left there for at least a half. He has only 1 chance left to save his career with us. Personally, I doubt that he can save his career, but I would not begrudge him the chance.
Garlett and Lucas are similarly at the crossroads. I think Lucas has had it, but if we don't have enough fit mids, then he must be given a chance. He, at east, has been getting plenty of the ball in the VFL. Others have not.
Garlett may end up staying, but that is no certainty. If Menzel doesn't come up, and I would err on the side of caution with someone who is so important to our future, then Garlett is the logical replacement.
None of these guys DESERVE a game, but if they are necessary, then they should be played.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: BeNavy on August 19, 2014, 03:50:37 pm
Id much prefer to give Watson a run up forward before letting him go.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LP on August 19, 2014, 04:24:18 pm
Shizen!

I heard a rumor yesterday that SpecialK would get a run in Adelaide after "Kruising" through the VFL match without even raising a puff. Some reported he looked like he could have played two games!

I thought that rumor just cannot be true, but sure enough it's on the club website today!

Blues might call on Kreuzer (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-08-19/blues-might-call-on-kreuzer)
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LordLucifer on August 19, 2014, 04:27:19 pm
Madness !!

Leave him playing in the seconds for the remainder of the season, have a huge pre-season and then come out all guns blazing in the new year. 
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LP on August 19, 2014, 04:28:55 pm
Madness !!

Leave him playing in the seconds for the remainder of the season, have a huge pre-season and then come out all guns blazing in the new year.

Carlton has a history of madness recently!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: cookie2 on August 19, 2014, 04:35:56 pm
Shizen!

I heard a rumor yesterday that SpecialK would get a run in Adelaide after "Kruising" through the VFL match without even raising a puff. Some reported he looked like he could have played two games!

I thought that rumor just cannot be true, but sure enough it's on the club website today!

Blues might call on Kreuzer (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-08-19/blues-might-call-on-kreuzer)

Wowee! Maybe we're in a hurry to see how Kreuz is going as we may be indeed planning to off-load/trade Warnock? Wood has proved to be adequate so far and with Kreuz back and firing we would be covered?
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LordLucifer on August 19, 2014, 04:48:19 pm
Reckon we might get our butts handed back to us in a brown paper bag this weekend, struggling for enough fit players to field a team has to breakdown sooner or later.

Port are desperate for a good win right now before the finals. 
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LP on August 19, 2014, 04:51:16 pm
Reckon we might get our butts handed back to us in a brown paper bag this weekend, struggling for enough fit players to field a team has to breakdown sooner or later.

Port are desperate for a good win right now before the finals.

Overdue for a backwards step, is that what you are hinting at?
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: cimm1979 on August 19, 2014, 05:46:25 pm
If we win this, or even go close, I'm officially on the MM bandwagon.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: bratblue on August 19, 2014, 05:59:27 pm
If we win this, or even go close, I'm officially on the MM bandwagon.  ;D ;D


How long until Carrots says that? :)
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 19, 2014, 06:10:30 pm
If we win this, or even go close, I'm officially on the MM bandwagon.  ;D ;D


How long until Carrots says that? :)

I'm already on! I said a few weeks back when Juddy endorsed the direction the club was going that that was enough for me.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LordLucifer on August 19, 2014, 06:10:33 pm
Reckon we might get our butts handed back to us in a brown paper bag this weekend, struggling for enough fit players to field a team has to breakdown sooner or later.

Port are desperate for a good win right now before the finals.

Overdue for a backwards step, is that what you are hinting at?

Not at all hinting that way, we've nearly run out of personnel, it has to break down sooner or later.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 19, 2014, 06:11:22 pm
That said I absolutely want to take a look at how we go for the first half of next year before we re-sign him. Anything else would be plain stupid.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: cimm1979 on August 19, 2014, 06:11:55 pm
If we win this, or even go close, I'm officially on the MM bandwagon.  ;D ;D


How long until Carrots says that? :)

I'm already on! I said a few weeks back when Juddy endorsed the direction the club was going that that was enough for me.

 8)
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: bratblue on August 19, 2014, 06:21:48 pm
If we win this, or even go close, I'm officially on the MM bandwagon.  ;D ;D


How long until Carrots says that? :)

I'm already on! I said a few weeks back when Juddy endorsed the direction the club was going that that was enough for me.


Yeah, it was no small thing that endorsement for Judd.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: age on August 19, 2014, 06:39:03 pm
If we win this, or even go close, I'm officially on the MM bandwagon.  ;D ;D


How long until Carrots says that? :)

I'm already on! I said a few weeks back when Juddy endorsed the direction the club was going that that was enough for me.

Not me.    I want to see results before I endorse MM.    Results speak louder than words.   Will give him 6 months.   ;D
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: madbluboy on August 20, 2014, 08:09:26 am
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-08-19/blues-might-call-on-kreuzer

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Matthew Kreuzer is a chance to return to Carlton’s senior side for Friday night’s clash with Port Adelaide at the Adelaide Oval.

Carlton’s injury toll means several team changes will be necessary, with Brock McLean (calf) and David Ellard (ankle) both ruled out, while Dale Thomas (knee) and Troy Menzel (shoulder) remain in doubt after leaving the ground injured against the Cats.

Andrew McInnes, Kane Lucas, Patrick Cripps and Matthew Watson are among those in contention for selection, while untried recruit Nick Holman could be in the mix to make his debut.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Peter Brady on August 20, 2014, 08:15:22 am
Thomas and Menzel- "in doubt"

They're not serious are they? ::)

(http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/SIDESHOW/SID3707LG.JPG)

Even if by some miracle they're not as bad as first suspected why would you even think of playing them.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: age on August 20, 2014, 08:32:33 am
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-08-19/blues-might-call-on-kreuzer

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Matthew Kreuzer is a chance to return to Carlton’s senior side for Friday night’s clash with Port Adelaide at the Adelaide Oval.

Carlton’s injury toll means several team changes will be necessary, with Brock McLean (calf) and David Ellard (ankle) both ruled out, while Dale Thomas (knee) and Troy Menzel (shoulder) remain in doubt after leaving the ground injured against the Cats.

Andrew McInnes, Kane Lucas, Patrick Cripps and Matthew Watson are among those in contention for selection, while untried recruit Nick Holman could be in the mix to make his debut.

Seems silly to play MK if you ask me.  Let him run around  cruising in the two's for rest of the year.

 
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: ItsOurTime on August 20, 2014, 08:41:08 am
Club playing funny buggers by putting the idea out there.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Baggers on August 20, 2014, 09:35:41 am
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-08-19/blues-might-call-on-kreuzer

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Matthew Kreuzer is a chance to return to Carlton’s senior side for Friday night’s clash with Port Adelaide at the Adelaide Oval.

Carlton’s injury toll means several team changes will be necessary, with Brock McLean (calf) and David Ellard (ankle) both ruled out, while Dale Thomas (knee) and Troy Menzel (shoulder) remain in doubt after leaving the ground injured against the Cats.

Andrew McInnes, Kane Lucas, Patrick Cripps and Matthew Watson are among those in contention for selection, while untried recruit Nick Holman could be in the mix to make his debut.

Would have had Cieran Byrne ahead of a couple of those blokes...
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Thryleon on August 20, 2014, 11:45:06 am
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-08-19/blues-might-call-on-kreuzer

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Matthew Kreuzer is a chance to return to Carlton’s senior side for Friday night’s clash with Port Adelaide at the Adelaide Oval.

Carlton’s injury toll means several team changes will be necessary, with Brock McLean (calf) and David Ellard (ankle) both ruled out, while Dale Thomas (knee) and Troy Menzel (shoulder) remain in doubt after leaving the ground injured against the Cats.

Andrew McInnes, Kane Lucas, Patrick Cripps and Matthew Watson are among those in contention for selection, while untried recruit Nick Holman could be in the mix to make his debut.

Seems silly to play MK if you ask me.  Let him run around  cruising in the two's for rest of the year.

Can I ask why?

I get the notion that somehow protecting Kreuzer from AFL football will stop him from getting injured, but is the VFL any more or less likely a place to get injured?

I would have thought the brand spanking new, hardly played on Adelaide Oval would have been a better place to test him out than most VFL surfaces.

I also understand the notion of protecting a player and it seems counter intuitive to me to play at VFL over AFL level in order to protect them.  He may not be ready for a full season of AFL football, but surely he should be okay to play 2 rounds else he wouldnt be playing at all?  The VFL is supposedly a tougher competition with more thugs, and less soft protection by the umpires due to the lack of scrutiny on the comp and possibly inferior (debateable) ability of umpiring.

I suppose Im from a different school of thought.  For me, if he wasnt ready to play he wouldnt have played VFL football at all.  If he is ready to play and frankly based on his stats, he had a pretty good individual game last week, he could very well be ready to play AFL this week.  If I were the coach the only question mark I would have over him would be his ability to play four quarters and what factor fatigue would be in causing a recurrent injury.  Given it wasnt soft tissue but structural this is less of a factor here and thinking about what else is available, and what everyone else has been doing plus the very real possibility that we have 4 spots open this week (at least 3 including Ellard, Thomas and Menzel) then I would have thought if Kreuzer feels good, and ready to play that there would be no real reason to keep him out aside from the fear factor.  For me the fear of injury is no reason to not play unless its a very real probability that you wont play the game out well enough based on that injury.  Given its not soft tissue, then if he isnt right to go this week odds are he never will be he could very well play this week, and if not this week, we will rehash this discussion next week as he will play seniors by seasons end.  Im pretty sure that this will happen.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Lods on August 20, 2014, 11:56:14 am
I wouldn't play him at all
The seasons shot.
We've really nothing to gain with him struggling through a couple of "nothing" matches.
A team with Kreuzer, Wood and Casboult seems a bit unbalanced.

Let him have a good pre-season and come back fresh for what could be a genuine crack at a good season next year
.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LordLucifer on August 20, 2014, 12:03:22 pm
There is little point in risking Kreuzer so late in the season when there is very little to be gained from it.

If people believe he needs more game time, then let him play in the seconds for the remainder of the year.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LP on August 20, 2014, 12:15:41 pm
I wouldn't play him at all
The seasons shot.
We've really nothing to gain with him struggling through a couple of "nothing" matches.
A team with Kreuzer, Wood and Casboult seems a bit unbalanced.

Let him have a good pre-season and come back fresh for what could be a genuine crack at a good season next year
.

If the club thinks Casboult and Waite are walking, then perhaps they are going to test the options in their absence.

Maybe Wood playing the Casboult role and Kreuzer or Warnock in the ruck?
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Thryleon on August 20, 2014, 12:37:27 pm
I wouldn't play him at all
The seasons shot.
We've really nothing to gain with him struggling through a couple of "nothing" matches.
A team with Kreuzer, Wood and Casboult seems a bit unbalanced.

Let him have a good pre-season and come back fresh for what could be a genuine crack at a good season next year
.

@Lods, why would he be struggling through a couple of nothing matches?

This would be as good a part of getting him ready for next year as anything else.

Can you imagine the amount of nervous energy he will carry into round one next year, and over pre season if he doesnt get the AFL "debut" monkey off the back? 
Will he be more focussed and confident of his future after having gotten a game of AFL level football under his belt this year and therefore reap potentially greater rewards from pre season?

Will he be significantly more or less likely to be injured by playing this week?

If the answer to the above is to not play him, by all means dont play him, but what REASON do we keep him out for?

Id rather his selection be based on how he is feeling, vs whether or not he has earned a callup, and treat him like a fit player.  If he looks, feels and gives you the okay, you put the responsibility of whether or not he gets injured on him, rather than the club, and that can only be a good thing whether it works out or not.  You only get one shot at making a career out of it, and you would want to live or die by your own sword.  Wouldnt you?

At the end of the day, Kreuzer knows best.  If he is ready to play, he is ready to play, if he isnt ready to play, then put him on ice.  This could very well be his last chance at making a proper career out of it, and another injury could see him retire sighting injury as his resons.  Would he rather go out after an AFL game, or would he rather retire after a pre season and failure to get going again?  If I were him, I would focus on my ability to play football, fitness, recovery and if that means being ready to play and getting an opportunity to play and grasping it, so be it.  We need Kreuzer to come up, fit well and firing and I dont want to hold my breathe waiting for it if its not necessary.


Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 20, 2014, 12:50:07 pm
The only reason I see for playing Kruezer in the last few games is perhaps for the kids own confidence. He has been battered from pillar to post injury wise, he himself probably wants to get a few games under the belt and go into the preseason knowing he can still play the game and his body is right.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: cookie2 on August 20, 2014, 01:15:14 pm
The only reason I see for playing Kruezer in the last few games is perhaps for the kids own confidence. He has been battered from pillar to post injury wise, he himself probably wants to get a few games under the belt and go into the preseason knowing he can still play the game and his body is right.

I can see the argument for playing him but it is definitely a two edged sword and a bit of a gamble. How well is he recovered and if he got injured again and it disrupted his preparation for next year that could be a major setback for him. Is that risk worth taking to get him back into things in our last couple of games this year which are non critical? I guess only he and the club know the answer to that.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 20, 2014, 01:22:25 pm
No to Kruezer playing...dumb move IMO and he should be on ice till next season, ditto with Thomas and Menzel.
You protect your investments, you dont risk them on small or in this  case no return.....
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: laj on August 20, 2014, 01:45:29 pm
Don't agree with playing Watson.   Has had his chance.  

x2. Failed at every opportunity given.

I'll disagree there. He's actually played some decent footy on the seniors before the two shockers at his only two goes this year. We know he's actually played better in the AFL than the VFL.

Certainly hasn't failed at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Lods on August 20, 2014, 01:49:45 pm
@ Thry
^
What they said ;) :D

For Kruezer.....The worst thing to happen would be anything that might result in him not getting a full pre-season.

While there's a chance he could get an injury during that phase it's more likely under match conditions where both Port and Essendon are looking to consolidate the best finals places.

Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LP on August 20, 2014, 01:54:11 pm
The only reason I see for playing Kruezer in the last few games is perhaps for the kids own confidence. He has been battered from pillar to post injury wise, he himself probably wants to get a few games under the belt and go into the preseason knowing he can still play the game and his body is right.

Not just for SpecialK, I am not saying that it is, but it could also be advertising. For trade week!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: bratblue on August 21, 2014, 11:45:39 am
Kreuz is obviously very keen and why wouldn't he be, watching his mates run around and showing great form while he's been working to get himself right. Objectively it would be better if he didn't play but things aren't always like that so I would be happy to see him get some reward for his rehab effort. I would make him sub, take a bet both ways.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: raven on August 21, 2014, 12:26:54 pm
I will be on the hill cheering and DON'T want to see Kruz playing... unless we are going to trade him in the off season!  >:D
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LP on August 21, 2014, 12:44:13 pm
I would make him sub, take a bet both ways.
That is not as silly as it sounds, he can play as a midfielder and is useful at both ends of the ground.

Bring in Holman, tell him he has at best 3/4s and don't hold back!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: ItsOurTime on August 21, 2014, 01:54:50 pm
I would make him sub, take a bet both ways.
That is not as silly as it sounds, he can play as a midfielder and is useful at both ends of the ground.


Yes, he can play there. Just not very well.

When 100% he adds as a ruck but not purely in those roles. I just don't see the value.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 21, 2014, 02:59:06 pm
I would make him sub, take a bet both ways.
That is not as silly as it sounds, he can play as a midfielder and is useful at both ends of the ground.


Yes, he can play there. Just not very well.

When 100% he adds as a ruck but not purely in those roles. I just don't see the value.

x2

We tried making Judd the sub and that ended in tears....why play three ruckman anyway?....
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LP on August 21, 2014, 03:16:48 pm
We tried making Judd the sub and that ended in tears....why play three ruckman anyway?....

Do we have three ruckmen, do we have anybody left?
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Jeffy38 on August 21, 2014, 05:11:29 pm
My educated guess

Johnson, Holman and Lucas in.......Thomas (inj), Ellard (inj) Armfield (inj) out....
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: BluePhantom on August 21, 2014, 05:55:09 pm
Did anyone go to the training hit out today? If so was Special K training and anybody else out of the norm?
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: bratblue on August 21, 2014, 06:02:50 pm
Meat is cooked and should be left at FF from now on and bringing MK back will allow that.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 21, 2014, 06:10:47 pm
My educated guess

Johnson, Holman and Lucas in.......Thomas (inj), Ellard (inj) Armfield (inj) out....

My uneducated guess.....as above. :P
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Navy Maven on August 21, 2014, 06:44:06 pm
What the hell are the match committee thinking, Lucas in the team ahead of Cripps?? Need to look to the future, not the past. Really wanted to see Watson get a run too.

Happy for Holman though, hope he goes well.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Lods on August 21, 2014, 07:06:48 pm
Gee, they're taking a bit of a chance with Menzel.
I'd be sticking him in cotton wool.

Think there might be a couple of late changes
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 21, 2014, 07:15:04 pm
B: S.White, S.Rowe, C.Sheehan

HB: Z.Tuohy, M.Jamison, S.Docherty

C: K.Simpson, M.Murphy, B.Johnson

HF: T.Bell, J.Waite, C.Yarran

F: T.Menzel, L.Casboult, N.Graham

Foll: C.Wood, C.Judd, B.Gibbs

I/C A.Carrazzo, K.Lucas, E.Curnow, N.Holman

Emer: D.Armfield, M.Watson, P.Cripps

INS: K.Lucas, N.Holman, B.Johnson

OUTS: D.Thomas, D.Armfield, D.Ellard


They are surely taking the piss with Menz, Cripps or Watson to come in.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Raydan on August 21, 2014, 07:22:48 pm
What the hell are the match committee thinking, Lucas in the team ahead of Cripps?? Need to look to the future, not the past. Really wanted to see Watson get a run too.

Happy for Holman though, hope he goes well.

What's better for Cripps' development, playing a full VFL game or being a sub. Cause that's what Lucas will be.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: BluePhantom on August 21, 2014, 07:25:29 pm
What the hell are the match committee thinking, Lucas in the team ahead of Cripps?? Need to look to the future, not the past. Really wanted to see Watson get a run too.

Happy for Holman though, hope he goes well.

What's better for Cripps' development, playing a full VFL game or being a sub. Cause that's what Lucas will be.

Fark Lucas off he is not the future unless we want to jump at shadows that is. Cripps is the man.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: crashlander on August 21, 2014, 07:50:04 pm
B: S.White, S.Rowe, C.Sheehan

HB: Z.Tuohy, M.Jamison, S.Docherty

C: K.Simpson, M.Murphy, B.Johnson

HF: T.Bell, J.Waite, C.Yarran

F: T.Menzel, L.Casboult, N.Graham

Foll: C.Wood, C.Judd, B.Gibbs

I/C A.Carrazzo, K.Lucas, E.Curnow, N.Holman

Emer: D.Armfield, M.Watson, P.Cripps

INS: K.Lucas, N.Holman, B.Johnson

OUTS: D.Thomas, D.Armfield, D.Ellard


They are surely taking the piss with Menz, Cripps or Watson to come in.
Armfield is a bit stiff. He did OK when he came on last week. However, I don't see Menzel is a certainty yet, so Armfield may get a reprieve.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Professer E on August 21, 2014, 07:54:29 pm
I thought Armfield was deadest ordinary and not surprised that he was omitted.  Looked way off the pace and painfully out of form.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: cookie2 on August 21, 2014, 07:58:09 pm
I thought Armfield was deadest ordinary and not surprised that he was omitted.  Looked way off the pace and painfully out of form.

Agree. I think Watson would come in if Menzel is a late change.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 21, 2014, 08:00:58 pm
B: S.White, S.Rowe, C.Sheehan

HB: Z.Tuohy, M.Jamison, S.Docherty

C: K.Simpson, M.Murphy, B.Johnson

HF: T.Bell, J.Waite, C.Yarran

F: T.Menzel, L.Casboult, N.Graham

Foll: C.Wood, C.Judd, B.Gibbs

I/C A.Carrazzo, K.Lucas, E.Curnow, N.Holman

Emer: D.Armfield, M.Watson, P.Cripps

INS: K.Lucas, N.Holman, B.Johnson

OUTS: D.Thomas, D.Armfield, D.Ellard


They are surely taking the piss with Menz, Cripps or Watson to come in.
Armfield is a bit stiff. He did OK when he came on last week. However, I don't see Menzel is a certainty yet, so Armfield may get a reprieve.

Armfield kicked a clanger direct to the Geelong opponent in the first play of the last quarter.....if he placed his kick right we would have been 3 goals up and might have won the game, it was that critical.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2014, 08:56:19 pm
Armfield did kick badly but his second kick was excellent.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 21, 2014, 09:15:19 pm
Armfield is gone IMO...kicking is woeful and cant stick a tackle either.....
Good to see Holman in....Lucas can count himself lucky...
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 21, 2014, 09:20:31 pm
Armfield is gone IMO...kicking is woeful and cant stick a tackle either.....
Good to see Holman in....Lucas can count himself lucky...

Lucas is in for trade value
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Amers on August 21, 2014, 09:36:35 pm
Armfield is gone IMO...kicking is woeful and cant stick a tackle either.....
Good to see Holman in....Lucas can count himself lucky...

Lucas is in for trade value

I hope he plays a blinder then, but then I suppose everyone would want to keep him !! ;)  :P
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: age on August 22, 2014, 07:29:01 am
Can't see Menzel getting up for this game.  Armfield to be late inclusion  
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: age on August 22, 2014, 07:30:06 am
I hope that we actually produce a decent effort.  It would be dissapointing if we don't considering all the talk at the club about how we have improved. 

 
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LP on August 22, 2014, 08:02:59 am
Can't see Menzel getting up for this game.  Armfield to be late inclusion

Yep probably just a trip home to visit the folks for Menzel, but I am not sure Armfield will come in did he travel with the team?
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 22, 2014, 08:35:08 am
Call me pessimistic but I am expecting the CFC roller coaster to continue. After some solid performance where the boys impressed without taking the chocolates, I am expecting the customary stinker this week. We will then follow up with a ball biter performance against the Cheating Scum next week.
C'est la vie!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Woodstock on August 22, 2014, 08:51:35 am
Call me pessimistic but I am expecting the CFC roller coaster to continue. After some solid performance where the boys impressed without taking the chocolates, I am expecting the customary stinker this week. We will then follow up with a ball biter performance against the Cheating Scum next week.
C'est la vie!

I reckon the old CFC would have fallen back to our old ways. This is different. They've got pride now and are playing for each other now. Culture building. They won't ease up now. Bloody fantastic.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 22, 2014, 09:21:55 am
I'd expect Port to beat us given the incentive they have to win and our very young team this week....all I want is a competitive effort and our kids to do well. Its important to get games into Sheehan, Holman, Graham, Johnson etc and Malthouse is doing the right thing by playing them all.
This is the start of 2015 and thats how we have to view it and not get too down if we lose...
 

Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 22, 2014, 10:20:24 am
Call me pessimistic but I am expecting the CFC roller coaster to continue. After some solid performance where the boys impressed without taking the chocolates, I am expecting the customary stinker this week. We will then follow up with a ball biter performance against the Cheating Scum next week.
C'est la vie!

I don't think it will happen, if it does then the last four weeks have been for nothing.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: cookie2 on August 22, 2014, 10:31:53 am
Yep, the main thig this week for us is HOW we play and whether we are competitive for 4Qs. Also important is how well our senior guys support, encourage and lead the young blokes.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: raven on August 22, 2014, 12:37:09 pm
I'll give 'em a good talking to at half time if they are not cutting the mustard chaps.

It should be a cracker Fri night game. Pumped! Pre game beers imminent...  :)
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Baggers on August 22, 2014, 12:59:42 pm
About 1/3 of our starting 21 missing... this should be quite a challenge!
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 22, 2014, 01:02:12 pm
But we still have the cream out there Baggers ie Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Carrazzo, Simpson, Waite, Yarran. Port have been just plodding lately and had a tough game in the wet last week plus have to back up off a six day break. That said our boys could also be flat after being three men down last week. I still think we are up to it.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: age on August 22, 2014, 01:11:02 pm
Gee I am hoping they don't disappoint us tonight.  Don't care if we lose, but want effort. Can't complain when they do that. 
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: Gointocarlton on August 22, 2014, 02:01:49 pm
This is the start of 2105...
Fork me I wont be around thats for sure, MM might still be though. Fletcher might still be playing for the Cheating Filth also;D
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 22, 2014, 02:29:34 pm
This is the start of 2105...
Fork me I wont be around thats for sure, MM might still be though. Fletcher might still be playing for the Cheating Filth also;D
yep and Denis and Bruce will still be commentating on C7
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 22, 2014, 02:43:49 pm
This is the start of 2105...
Fork me I wont be around thats for sure, MM might still be though. Fletcher might still be playing for the Cheating Filth also;D
yep and Denis and Bruce will still be commentating on C7

Edited to 2015.....although it feels like I have been waiting 100 years for a premiership ... :-[
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 22, 2014, 02:48:58 pm
This is the start of 2105...
Fork me I wont be around thats for sure, MM might still be though. Fletcher might still be playing for the Cheating Filth also;D
yep and Denis and Bruce will still be commentating on C7

Edited to 2015.....although it feels like I have been waiting 100 years for a premiership ... :-[

Say that again brother :-X
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: deags on August 22, 2014, 07:10:46 pm
They just showed highlights from last years game V PA.
Gave me goosebumps. Hope the lads can show some guts like that again tonight.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 22, 2014, 07:11:30 pm
Lucas the sub.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: BluePhantom on August 22, 2014, 07:17:12 pm
Gee, there is a bit of a finals feel about this game here, being the first Friday night at the Oval.
Good introduction for Holman and the other juniors.
Title: Re: Carlton vs. Port Adelaide in Adelaide on Friday
Post by: LordLucifer on August 22, 2014, 07:37:22 pm
Lucas the sub.

And he'll have a big impact when he comes on ..................    ???