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Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #75
The Guv will be much better for the run.

I'm still churning through the game but clearly our forward worked well after half time?
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #76
We kicked 8 from free kicks, is that umps reaming them?

There was at least 2 times we should have had 50m penalties (based on the first of the game for them) and werent. Both of which would have put our guys in very kickable positions. There was at least 2-3 other frees not paid in front of goal.  I dont think they were reamed. They got the rub in front of goals plenty of times.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #77
Glass half full, glass half empty. I thought what killed us in the first quarter was our disposal and our inability to lay a tackle. In the second it was our shots on goal, Martin, McGovern and Dow missed shots they should have kicked and Murphy should have kicked the goal rather than handing it off to Plowman under pressure, while losing Newman and McGovern to injury in that quarter along with Kreuzer for the match, led us to tiring and allowing Richmond to kick four late goals, which was the margin in the end. I thought the third quarter we really put pressure on them, physically taking them on and Richmond didn't like it one bit. We didn't get much reward early and Richmond got a couple of goals out the back, but we persisted and started getting rewards. In the last we were on top again but once again a couple of goals from our mistakes, Newman kicking blindly and one over the top to Rioli killed us. Four goals flattered them in the end after being up by nine I think.
What I took from the game was Carlton's mid-field is better than Richmond's, our disposal is still poor, Martin is a great get and I can see why Gold Coast wanted a first rounder for him but they should have taken the second rounder being offered rather than losing him for nothing, our back line is solid though could do with a bit more pace and our forward line with the two Jacks, Eddie, Levi, McGovern, McKay and Curnow when finally fit will be dangerous, however there needs to be more synergy between the group.
I thought it was interesting that the top side played the 16th side from last year, won by four goals and went to the press conference and complained about the umpires. I also think it is a truism that Richmond we will want to be playing their best football at the end of the season, but I also think every other side would be doing that as well. I think their is a bit of bravado at Richmond and a sense of entitlement and that first quarter was as much about the massive confidence that winning a Premiership brings. They played without fear in that first quarter but they struggled a bit during the third quarter when they were held to account.
Cunningham kicked two goals as a small forward but could have done more, Fisher got better as the night wore on, Dow kicking lets him down and should spend some time in the Northern Blues to help develop his skills, Samo was great and Setterfield seemed to be playing a very defensive role.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #78
Yes, Q1 was diabolical but think about it: they didn't know until late Wednesday they were actually playing then seeing the empty MCG must have been a h.,... f...? I dont buy that, Club was preparing to play so not a valid excuse, Richmond came to play

Sure Dow, Setters, Gibbons were poor but hey, they're on a learning curve.How long is this learning curve gonna last?

And with a bit better conversion we could have snatched it.Yes 100%

The positives (Martin, Weiters, Crippa) easily outweighed the negatives imo.Yep, add Doc and Cas to that trio

I think it's time to give Willo a go - at the expense of Newman or Simmo.I'd give Willo and Stocker a go, their disposal is excellent and will only compliment Docs coming out of the back line

As an aside, I've seen reference made to Dusty kicking one of our players in the head? When was this alleged incident?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #79
I don’t understand why we were continually relying on our players beating their immediate opponent in a contest.  What has happened to our team defence?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but the decision not to play De Koning hurt.  Apart from an undersized forward line competing against one of the best marking defences, McGovern in the ruck was a huge ask.  At least he was competitive ... and Levi was outstanding!

Anyway, there were some positive signs.  We just need to set up better and add some grunt, eg Stocker, to the mix.


“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #80
If Kreuzer is in any way long term, the club MUST retire him.  Love the guy but enough is enough

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #81
Glass half full, glass half empty. I thought what killed us in the first quarter was our disposal and our inability to lay a tackle. In the second it was our shots on goal, Martin, McGovern and Dow missed shots they should have kicked and Murphy should have kicked the goal rather than handing it off to Plowman under pressure, while losing Newman and McGovern to injury in that quarter along with Kreuzer for the match, led us to tiring and allowing Richmond to kick four late goals, which was the margin in the end. I thought the third quarter we really put pressure on them, physically taking them on and Richmond didn't like it one bit. We didn't get much reward early and Richmond got a couple of goals out the back, but we persisted and started getting rewards. In the last we were on top again but once again a couple of goals from our mistakes, Newman kicking blindly and one over the top to Rioli killed us. Four goals flattered them in the end after being up by nine I think.
What I took from the game was Carlton's mid-field is better than Richmond's, our disposal is still poor, Martin is a great get and I can see why Gold Coast wanted a first rounder for him but they should have taken the second rounder being offered rather than losing him for nothing, our back line is solid though could do with a bit more pace and our forward line with the two Jacks, Eddie, Levi, McGovern, McKay and Curnow when finally fit will be dangerous, however there needs to be more synergy between the group.
I thought it was interesting that the top side played the 16th side from last year, won by four goals and went to the press conference and complained about the umpires. I also think it is a truism that Richmond we will want to be playing their best football at the end of the season, but I also think every other side would be doing that as well. I think their is a bit of bravado at Richmond and a sense of entitlement and that first quarter was as much about the massive confidence that winning a Premiership brings. They played without fear in that first quarter but they struggled a bit during the third quarter when they were held to account.
Cunningham kicked two goals as a small forward but could have done more, Fisher got better as the night wore on, Dow kicking lets him down and should spend some time in the Northern Blues to help develop his skills, Samo was great and Setterfield seemed to be playing a very defensive role.

No NB's right now for Dow to develop anything. He might struggle to keep his spot this week.

Philp might be close. TDK should come in for Kreuzer.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #82
I don’t understand why we were continually relying on our players beating their immediate opponent in a contest.  What has happened to our team defence?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but the decision not to play De Koning hurt.  Apart from an undersized forward line competing against one of the best marking defences, McGovern in the ruck was a huge ask.  At least he was competitive ... and Levi was outstanding!

Anyway, there were some positive signs.  We just need to set up better and add some grunt, eg Stocker, to the mix.

I'm guessing any lack of team defence may be due to Teague simplifying the game plan and going more man on man. He's also spoken about trying to get the numbers right between those players who commit to the contest and those who remain outside to receive. I think it was Ling who said one difference between us and the Tiges was that too many of our players were getting drawn to the contest, leaving a deficit on the outside. The Tigers were getting the balance right. Clearly a work in progress.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #83
No NB's right now for Dow to develop anything. He might struggle to keep his spot this week.

Philp might be close. TDK should come in for Kreuzer.

Reckon Pittonet will come in for MK......Dogs kid English is a nice player with good skills and needs roughing up rather than a similar type playing on him, we also need more muscle in the middle.
I dont mind TDK down forward though as we need some more firepower, winnable game provided we keep their three key mids quiet like I said previously.

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Reply #84
Near the boundary line,  Dusty got up from a tangle and dropped his knee towards slightly  the bloke on the ground, making contact with his shin.   It wasnt a typical kick or stomp and probably not worth a week but I saw it,  it's clear what his intention was and its not on.  It probably happens in the burbs every weekend but it's sly and I've seen massive fights start over it.  He should at least receive a chip over it.   There was a lot of marginal stuff in the game,  Dusty in particular likes to tackle high and fends high.   Some day somebody is going to say enough's enough and he might find an elbow buried in his larynx during a fend off.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #85
Near the boundary line,  Dusty got up from a tangle and dropped his knee towards slightly  the bloke on the ground, making contact with his shin.  It wasnt a typical kick or stomp and probably not worth a week but I saw it,  it's clear what his intention was and its not on.  It probably happens in the burbs every weekend but it's sly and I've seen massive fights start over it.  He should at least receive a chip over it.  There was a lot of marginal stuff in the game,  Dusty in particular likes to tackle high and fends high.  Some day somebody is going to say enough's enough and he might find an elbow buried in his larynx during a fend off.
When Riewoldt wiped his snotty nose on Cripps back I was hoping Crippa would throw a right elbow back, damn the consequences!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #86
I know I'm backing over this issue one more time,  but can someone give me a rational explanation as to why we picked DeLuca over Picket in the mid season draft??? A glaring difference between us and Richmond last night was speed/class and decision making, they have play makers all over the mark changing the courses of plays, Marlion being one of them.
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #87
When Riewoldt wiped his snotty nose on Cripps back I was hoping Crippa would throw a right elbow back, damn the consequences!
Come on LP, that's a bit exaggerated IMO. I watched the game again and that incident you refer to. Crippa actually shouldered him and whilst off balanced, his face glanced Crippa's shoulder. I hate the kents as much as the next bloke but thats BS trying to make something out of that.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #88
I know I'm backing over this issue one more time,  but can someone give me a rational explanation as to why we picked DeLuca over Picket in the mid season draft??? A glaring difference between us and Richmond last night was speed/class and decision making, they have play makers all over the mark changing the courses of plays, Marlion being one of them.

I doubt anyone can give a rational explanation. 17 other clubs also passed on him. The Tigers have enough depth and stability and off field professionalism to know that he was worth a punt, and to be able to carry on if it didn't work out. They always look good when they come off. He was troubled, did jail time, and had been around the traps for a long time. No one went near him, not even the two WA clubs, who had him right under their noses.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond

Reply #89
I know I'm backing over this issue one more time,  but can someone give me a rational explanation as to why we picked DeLuca over Picket in the mid season draft??? A glaring difference between us and Richmond last night was speed/class and decision making, they have play makers all over the mark changing the courses of plays, Marlion being one of them.

 You can play the 'what-if' at every draft.

Why was Eddie Betts passed over by every club at the ND, only to be left to us in the PSD?