BOOM!! The sky isn't falling after all. After losing Murph and jamo in the third term that was a great win.
You just need to see the thrilled look on Cripps' face after the win to realise how important it is to win instead of tanking. Speaking of which what a superstar he is. With players like him to build around we certainly have a future.
Glad Simon White got injured so Jaksch has gotten a run, he shows real potential as does Boekhorst who is coming along nicely. I think we all agreed we wanted Boeky as a regular by season's end and I think we now have that.
Watto showed he still has plenty to offer, hopefully plays out the season.
I don't think players tank.
I think they always try.
That's why the looks on their faces are genuine
If it occurs it's through team selections, player placements, rotations etc.
I don't know if we are or not.....but Melbourne are really bad....and the contrast between our first and second half was stark.
Spewin' we gave up Jeffy!!! We knew EXACTLY how to play him. He melted!! Whiley worth persevering with. Thought he was busy. Bucks took them on and made a difference through the centre.
I don't know if we are or not.....but Melbourne are really bad....and the contrast between our first and second half was stark.
We dropped off when Murphy and Jameson went off.
We dropped off when Murphy and Jameson went off.
I sensed it happened before then.
Talk about winning ugly. But it'll do.
Few injuries though - murphy, Jamison, Kreuzer and maybe Menzel? Will the northern blues even field a team next week?
We wasted 90% of Walker's career playing him in defence. So much better when played forward.
I don't think players tank.
I think they always try.
That's why the looks on their faces are genuine
If it occurs it's through team selections, player placements, rotations etc.
I don't know if we are or not.....but Melbourne are really bad....and the contrast between our first and second half was stark.
x2...As you said players dont tank but coaches change things to limit scoring, open up play, change players depending on what result they want.
Melbourne are bad...really bad...
Thought Kruezer and Cripps won the game for us...wasnt taken with Tutt, Whiley etc like some others, just thought they were reasonable vs sub standard opposition.
Bell had 10 tackles, please stay at Carlton Tommy.
I sensed it happened before then.
Yeah I think Melbourne were always going to come out firing in the second half after being thumped. They kicked 6 goals to nil against the Doggies in the same scenario last week. I think any suggestion of tanking in the second half is a bit far fetched TBH. That's just my opinion.
One of those days when we couldn't miss (that Sav Rocca must be some teacher) - even small things like Lumuba going down early helped. Lots of frees in the first half (at least it seemed like it.)
Always happy to see a win, no matter how good or inept the opposition.
Yeah I think Melbourne were always going to come out firing in the second half after being thumped. They kicked 6 goals to nil against the Doggies in the same scenario last week. I think any suggestion of tanking in the second half is a bit far fetched TBH. That's just my opinion.
I haven't got a clue really....but if you get the chance contrast Barker's face and Cripps's at the final siren.
I haven't got a clue really....but if you get the chance contrast Barker's face and Cripps's at the final siren.
Barker looks like a man who been told the position is being announced early next and it's not him.
BOOM!! The sky isn't falling after all. After losing Murph and jamo in the third term that was a great win.
You just need to see the thrilled look on Cripps' face after the win to realise how important it is to win instead of tanking. Speaking of which what a superstar he is. With players like him to build around we certainly have a future.
Glad Simon White got injured so Jaksch has gotten a run, he shows real potential as does Boekhorst who is coming along nicely. I think we all agreed we wanted Boeky as a regular by season's end and I think we now have that.
Watto showed he still has plenty to offer, hopefully plays out the season.
Watto showed he still has plenty to offer....the VFL development league!
If we are serious about improving, he cannot be in our long term plans. Channel 7 commentators spent 10 minutes going on about how he couldn't possibly be as tall as he is listed, 195cm, as he simply doesn't look like anything close to a KPP.
Besides Cripps being the new messiah, i reckon the best thing to come out of today was the 'doomed trade'.
All of Boeky, Jaksch and Whiley showed good signs today. We got all of them from 1 pick. Could end up accelerating our rise in the next few years if they continue to play and grow like that.
All of Boeky, Jaksch and Whiley showed good signs today. We got all of them from 1 pick. Could end up accelerating our rise in the next few years if they continue to play and grow like that.
It's the first time I've been remotely comfortable with the trade, but the opposition was poor so it's hard to get an accurate line on them.
Stoked to see that win. Yes we dropped away in the third, but the players eventually responded. Boekhorst drilling Cripps in that last quarter was awesome.
Stuff pick 1. Anyone who thinks our future hangs on pick 1 instead of pick 2 will never learn from history.
Barker looks like a man who been told the position is being announced early next and it's not him.
Spot on, but I thought he was starting to show some agitation when they got close.
Thought he was average vs substandard opposition, tackles well and is ok by hand but poor by foot and lacks a yard.
Yep and doesn't have the smarts to make up for it .... yet, but there is something to work with.
Jaksch looked timid and turned the ball over in defence, he just looks like he has a higher opinion of his ability than it actually is, by a considerable margin.
Tutt wants to do the right things but doesn't want to go in hard, he's a Lucas but with more speed and skill.
BB had two of the nicest kicks into the forward 50 that I've seen since Houlihan was kicking to Fev. Needs a tank though, the second kick was to Everitt in the pocket, he won it off half back, got the ball on and had to be coaxed into running again to receive by Simmo. the croos body to Cripps was bordering on orgasmic.
Who would have guessed, if you have Walker forward you benefit the side in two was; 1 - no big turn overs off half back and a bloody good leading forward who kicks for goal better that his field kicking.
Everitt still looks half interested at best.
Cripps to Kruezer with the no look hand pass and goal from 50 WAS orgasmic!
Buckley was aggressive and controlled with his disposal and run, our boy is growing up.
Watto showed he still has plenty to offer....the VFL development league!
He was OK
But the reality is when we are good again he won't be part of the side.
He's a good kick and can take a mark...but once the ball hits the ground he's a bit lost.
He doesn't commit to contests but stands back.
I just wanted to see him given a last opportunity...I'd like him to play the last few games....but going forward he probably won't be in the plans.
We didn't lose much by playing him instead of Henderson though
Yep and doesn't have the smarts to make up for it .... yet, but there is something to work with.
Jaksch looked timid and turned the ball over in defence, he just looks like he has a higher opinion of his ability than it actually is, by a considerable margin.
Tutt wants to do the right things but doesn't want to go in hard, he's a Lucas but with more speed and skill.
BB had two of the nicest kicks into the forward 50 that I've seen since Houlihan was kicking to Fev. Needs a tank though, the second kick was to Everitt in the pocket, he won it off half back, got the ball on and had to be coaxed into running again to receive by Simmo. the croos body to Cripps was bordering on orgasmic.
Who would have guessed, if you have Walker forward you benefit the side in two was; 1 - no big turn overs off half back and a bloody good leading forward who kicks for goal better that his field kicking.
Everitt still looks half interested at best.
Cripps to Kruezer with the no look hand pass and goal from 50 WAS orgasmic!
Buckley was aggressive and controlled with his disposal and run, our boy is growing up.
Apart from your, er..... orgasmic flourishes, I agree with your review, especially regarding Jaksch. Not seeing the love for him myself.
Really? I see plenty in Jaksch. Moves like a likely type, I just can't believe we haven't been getting games into him.
and as I've posted elsewhere, next week I hope we're the lesbian blues, NO DICK!
He was as terrible as the pun, sorry I'm working a bit blue tonight.
I watched the last quarter and that was enough for me to stamp Mathew Dick's papers for the very last time.
What did Malthouse & Co see in him ??
Tutt needs a to control his speed, he needs a footy brain, not sure its achievable
Jacksch needs pre-seasons, then he'll be ok
Whiley has nothing to give.
Bell wants to be the hero all the time, needs to learn that its ok to be in a link in the chain.
BB needs muscle.
Watson never looked dangerous as a forward, cant play defence, so...
Dick is vfl
Winning beats Tanking. Go Baggers!
Still just pinching myself that Cripps is ours. The next big thing in the AFL, someone to build around.
Still just pinching myself that Cripps is ours. The next big thing in the AFL, someone to build around.
Young Hogan looks very good too.
I wish we had both of them, and Marcus Bontempelli.
A number of clubs openly laughed when we drafted Cripps who was 'beating up kids' and 'fat and slow'.... Who's laughing now?
A number of clubs openly laughed when we drafted Cripps who was 'beating up kids' and 'fat and slow'.... Who's laughing now?
Cripps to Kruezer with the no look handpass was Gold.....he is the next Captain and should be the rising star this season.....lets hope we can keep him....
Stepped up today and dragged us over the line... Legend in the making.
Staggered we got a pick right but he needs support.
Stepped up today and dragged us over the line... Legend in the making.
Staggered we got a pick right but he needs support.
I thank Freo for Cripps....they started the 190cm plus midfielder trend and everyone else had to recruit bigger bodies to compete...
I thank Freo for Cripps....they started the 190cm plus midfielder trend and everyone else had to recruit bigger bodies to compete...
Judd, Pendles, Kouta, Goodes....you sure it was just freo?
Judd, Pendles, Kouta, Goodes....you sure it was just freo?
Yep....other teams had one maybe.......Freo had/have five of them ..Fyfe, Mundy, Barlow, Crowley and Morribito...Pav used to run through the midfield too when he was younger...
A number of clubs openly laughed when we drafted Cripps who was 'beating up kids' and 'fat and slow'.... Who's laughing now?
....and Boek is supposed to be a wasted pick as well.
He's going to be a very very handy player soon.
If he gets it 20 times a game we'll be winning a lot more than we lose.
....and Boek is supposed to be a wasted pick as well.
He's going to be a very very handy player soon.
If he gets it 20 times a game we'll be winning a lot more than we lose.
Nice vision from Boekhorst today when he found Cripps in front of goal and he won a couple of contests that he would have just been pushed out off early in the season....
Looks more at home and like he has picked up the pace of the game and you can only do that by playing seniors....
Lost a few players on the bench today. Especially when Simpson needed to step up for a ruck duel in the last quarter.
Can someone give me a rundown on the injuries to Kreuz and Jammo as I hadn't heard anything?
Can someone give me a rundown on the injuries to Kreuz and Jammo as I hadn't heard anything?
Jammo a bit concussed and Krooz came off with hammy cramp.
Jammo a bit concussed and Krooz came off with hammy cramp.
Thanks Cimm
Can someone give me a rundown on the injuries to Kreuz and Jammo as I hadn't heard anything?
Potential jaw problem with Jammo too. Not sure if that was cleared yet.
Kreuzer received a bump to his lower back which sent stabbing pains through his glute and hamstring. I think it might have stressed his sciatic nerve as a possibility.
We dropped off when Murphy and Jameson went off.
I think we had dropped off our intensity before that, but they hadn't managed to do anything until Murphy and Jamo went off. Our on-field losses galvanized them.
In the end, it was pretty brave to come out on top as we did.
However, how bad are Melbourne? We had the Northern Blues on the park and they simply capitulated. If I were a Melbourne supporter, I would never come back from the snow. They were simply unprofessional and show minimal improvement for all the time Paul Roos has put into them. Far from being the Messiah, they looked to have worse skills than ours. I didn't think that was possible.
Take that Roos, you Carlton hater.
Anyone else notice the subtle shift in the 50/50 umpiring decisions in the third quarter which coincided with their run-on?
Quite like the way Jaksch is backing himself more and flying for marks. I reckon his confidence is slowly building.
Buckley should now consider himself a 'required' member of our best 22. Hoping this time next year that BB, Whiley, Holman, and the Ciaran's are in the same boat.
I laugh at the commentators today. They actually believe Melbourne is a better club to coach than our side. They apparently have more potential stars and have done better in the last few years of drafting than we have. Melbourne IMO will not see a flag for the next 10 years. They are just a group of players that play when they want. Roos has been a waste of money to the club. He can hand the club over to their new coach at the end of 2016. Then the new coach will see what a troubled mob they are. Could you imagine them without their stars. We had no Judd, Gibbs, Levi, Thomas. Then we dropped Yarran and Henderson. Lost Murphy, Jamo and Kreuzer during the game. All this after losing Garlett, Betts, Waite our main scorers over the last few years and Robinson. Lets see them play with talents like this missing from their squad. They are really bad. The Bulldogs have created a good list. The Dees haven't. Not yet. Watts by the way will never be an AFL talent. Never.
Take that Roos, you Carlton hater.
He certainly does seem to hate us. He was a rabid Carlton supporter as a kid, but knew he was going to be playing for the Lions even in the Little League (I saw him play against us then, which dates me somewhat. ;D ;D). However, in the years since he hasn't had a nice word or deed for us. I am quite happy to give him more headaches.
To be honest, unless they improve a lot next year, Roos will be considered almost as large a failure at Melbourne as Malthouse proved to be for us. VFL sides play better than that: we should know as ours was on the field.
Anyone else notice the subtle shift in the 50/50 umpiring decisions in the third quarter which coincided with their run-on?
I don't think it was too subtle. It was pretty ordinary. I guess they felt they had to even up the frees. But we were certainly on the receiving end of some shockers in the 3rd quarter.
Quite like the way Jaksch is backing himself more and flying for marks. I reckon his confidence is slowly building.
Buckley should now consider himself a 'required' member of our best 22. Hoping this time next year that BB, Whiley, Holman, and the Ciaran's are in the same boat.
The 2 newish Irishmen should. They have looked good. Boekhorst has plenty to work on, but he is, at least, now looking like he actually has a future. Our defence could be pretty quick next year, if they can stay in one piece.
I laugh at the commentators today. They actually believe Melbourne is a better club to coach than our side. They apparently have more potential stars and have done better in the last few years of drafting than we have. Melbourne IMO will not see a flag for the next 10 years. They are just a group of players that play when they want. Roos has been a waste of money to the club. He can hand the club over to their new coach at the end of 2016. Then the new coach will see what a troubled mob they are. Could you imagine them without their stars. We had no Judd, Gibbs, Levi, Thomas. Then we dropped Yarran and Henderson. Lost Murphy, Jamo and Kreuzer during the game. All this after losing Garlett, Betts, Waite our main scorers over the last few years and Robinson. Lets see them play with talents like this missing from their squad. They are really bad. The Bulldogs have created a good list. The Dees haven't. Not yet. Watts by the way will never be an AFL talent. Never.
That effort by them today was disgraceful.
Roos should be having massive heat brought on him but ..........crickets .
Well, certainly didn't see that coming!
Hopefully we saw Patty Cripps wrap up the Rising Star award today. I'm as excited about him every ounce as much as I was whenever Juddy had the ball in his hands. In Cripps we've got ourselves a once in a generation player.......we'll be talking about this bloke years after he's retired. He clearly bleeds Navy Blue and the fans have embraced him like no other youngster I've seen forever. I'd love to know what Cripps thinks about Henderson's decision.
Like a couple of others have said, I don't see the love at all for Jaksch. Give him a couple of years and yep, he may be everything we hoped we were getting, but right now - nup, not for me. Whiley, on the other hand, I thought was more than serviceable
Really happy for Boekhorst, thought he was terrific today. That kick to Cripps in the last was right in front of us and it was Diesel-esque it was that good.
Matty Kreuzer.....FFS re-sign him already! Walker as a key forward....who would've thunk it!? What do we do we Menzel? Either injured or under-performing all year....*sigh*
Loved Buckley's game, loved Bell's game, loved Tuohy's game. Happy for one last win this year, not really all that enamoured with the prospect of another wooden spoon, so hopefully today means we can avert that.
Anyone else notice the subtle shift in the 50/50 umpiring decisions in the third quarter which coincided with their run-on?
There was absolutely nothing subtle about it, was bordering on cheating to be honest.
There was absolutely nothing subtle about it, was bordering on cheating to be honest.
It was terrible.
Thought Tutt played well.
Must confess the commentators didn't bother me at all today. No histrionics and mostly calm. Melbourne have some good players but they were awful, especially in defence. Its all very well to have Hogan clunking the ball but if you still need Jones the old war horse to win the ball regularly then all the forwards in the world aren't going to be much use.
Still, a win is a fine thing, and it gives the team a good boost. 3 players got to enjoy their first Carlton win, so there was a glimps of the future today. We played a more mature style, especially for the first half with better executed kicks down the wings, rather than mad rushes out of half back. We slipped away badly in the third, but managed to switch into a more lock down game to get the win. Very encouraging.
Best players were Kruezer by a big margin, followed by Cripps, Bell, Jamo, Tuohy and Boekhorst. Buckly got into the game in the second half as did KJ and Docherty. And walker has got some fitness back and played in front, and got rewarded. Some of the newbies showed good endeavour, whiley kept making contests as did Tutt.
We got the fumbles badly in the second half, and losing murphy took out our best ball user. Hope its nothing too serious. Guess playing Watson was a ploy to trade him for a can of beans, and the goal he snaffled will make it a big can.
Off season needs massive investment in skills. We have very few 'one touch' players and only the likes of cripps are skilled and powerful enough to take the second and better option.
Thought Tutt played well.
Good energy.
Thought Tutt played well.
A couple of times handballed when a kick was clearly the best option, but other than that easily he's best game for us.
He clearly bleeds Navy Blue and the fans have embraced him like no other youngster I've seen forever.
I'm sure the Crows supporters were saying similar about their Patrick in the early days. Beware, home to be a convincing lure at times.
The positive about playing Watson today was that we were able to see his strength and weakness on display at the one time. Solid mark, accurate left foot....gives you nothing when the ball hits the ground. (But a great chase in the last quarter). Will never make it unfortunately.
Dont see the love for Tutt...a dud of the highest order, picked up some easy kicks vs some equally qualified spuds wearing Melbourne jumpers and panicked nearly everytime he was put under even moderate pressure with the exception of one left foot pass to Everitt The only reason I would play him is to secure a bottom two position....
Dont see the love for Tutt...a dud of the highest order, picked up some easy kicks vs some equally qualified spuds wearing Melbourne jumpers and panicked nearly everytime he was put under even moderate pressure with the exception of one left foot pass to Everitt The only reason I would play him is to secure a bottom two position....
Amen Brother Elwood.
We have to stop working ourselves into a lather trying to find something positive about our list-cloggers, they are the reason we are at the bottom end of the ladder.
Watto showed he still has plenty to offer, hopefully plays out the season.
Seriously? When has he ever shown he has plenty to offer?
He showed me he still has little to offer.
He can take a clean mark when the ball is kicked to his advantage and he is not under pressure but that's about the only way he can get the ball.
Having said that, he did a decent job in the first half today by dragging his opponent out of the contest to allow better players to compete for the ball. Well supported by teammates, who delivered the ball to him on the lead in the first term so that his opponent had to keep him company.
I was there today and came to the following conclusions.
Dick is a waste of space.
Tutt's not good enough.
Carazzo is gone.
Curnow is a battler.
Watson doesn't have the ability to kick right foot after 5 years in the game, and totally lacks any intestinal fortitude when the going gets tough. Needs to go.
Rowe is, and always will be a spud. For such a big man is easily brushed aside. When we were killing them and the pressure was off, Rowe was in his element. as soon as it got tough, Rowe collapsed like a pricked balloon.
Buckley, Bokey, Are getting better.
Jakche just needs another 10-15 kilos on his body before we can make a definitive judgement about him.
Whiley, still have question marks about him.
Simmo terrific but coming to the end as is Walker. A full hard season next year, will find those blokes out.
Everritt too in and out. just can't run out a full game .
Kreuzer very good, but if he gets a knock he's stuffed.
Ellard, please!!! No more. Just not up to top AFL standard.
Murphy was great and has improved as a leader over the last 8 weeks.
And as for Cripps, well I said in the in-game thread that I have seen all the champs from Big Nic who our family were very close to when he came from Maryborough through to Juddy.
In my opinion, Carlton should sign up Pat for 10 years starting in 2018. He's contracted till 2017.
I reckon that with another pre-season, and more muscle and fitness in his body, he could become the greatest player that we have ever seen at our club.
In my opinion, this 20 year old is a genius. I watched some of the things he did today, and Judd couldn't have done them.
I recently saw a comparison between the two I think on Footy Classified, and at the same stage of their careers and Cripps is a head of Judd in all areas.
He should be made Vice Captain next year, and then a year after that become Carlton's youngest ever captain. his on field leadership is second to none.
if he doesn't win a Brownlow in the coming years, then I'll stand naked in the Bourke Street mall, and that wouldn't be a good look.
Barring injury, this kid will be the man to build a side around.
Let's hope SOS does the job he is employed to do, and we can get some decent picks and trades so that we can give this kid a reason to stay with us.
Because I can tell you now, every club in this competition would take him today.
Dont see the love for Tutt...a dud of the highest order, picked up some easy kicks vs some equally qualified spuds wearing Melbourne jumpers and panicked nearly everytime he was put under even moderate pressure with the exception of one left foot pass to Everitt The only reason I would play him is to secure a bottom two position....
Agree 100% just a dud. Whiley not far behind.
I'm really happy we got to see Ellard perform again as sub, so much better than giving a bloke like Holman a go. Oh yeah hang on.......
And as for Cripps, well I said in the in-game thread that I have seen all the champs from Big Nic who our family were very close to when he came from Maryborough through to Juddy.
In my opinion, Carlton should sign up Pat for 10 years starting in 2018. He's contracted till 2017.
I reckon that with another pre-season, and more muscle and fitness in his body, he could become the greatest player that we have ever seen at our club.
In my opinion, this 20 year old is a genius. I watched some of the things he did today, and Judd couldn't have done them.
I recently saw a comparison between the two I think on Footy Classified, and at the same stage of their careers and Cripps is a head of Judd in all areas.
He should be made Vice Captain next year, and then a year after that become Carlton's youngest ever captain. his on field leadership is second to none.
if he doesn't win a Brownlow in the coming years, then I'll stand naked in the Bourke Street mall, and that wouldn't be a good look.
Barring injury, this kid will be the man to build a side around.
Let's hope SOS does the job he is employed to do, and we can get some decent picks and trades so that we can give this kid a reason to stay with us.
Because I can tell you now, every club in this competition would take him today.
With Cripps is that there may be a 'go home' factor down the track.
Right now we would probably consider 3, 20 and Kennedy as a trade.
As the years progress though WC and Freo need to understand the price will rise. ;D
I was there today and came to the following conclusions.
Dick is a waste of space.
Tutt's not good enough.
Carazzo is gone.
Curnow is a battler.
Watson doesn't have the ability to kick right foot after 5 years in the game, and totally lacks any intestinal fortitude when the going gets tough. Needs to go.
Rowe is, and always will be a spud. For such a big man is easily brushed aside. When we were killing them and the pressure was off, Rowe was in his element. as soon as it got tough, Rowe collapsed like a pricked balloon.
Buckley, Bokey, Are getting better.
Jakche just needs another 10-15 kilos on his body before we can make a definitive judgement about him.
Whiley, still have question marks about him.
Simmo terrific but coming to the end as is Walker. A full hard season next year, will find those blokes out.
Everritt too in and out. just can't run out a full game .
Kreuzer very good, but if he gets a knock he's stuffed.
Ellard, please!!! No more. Just not up to top AFL standard.
Murphy was great and has improved as a leader over the last 8 weeks.
And as for Cripps, well I said in the in-game thread that I have seen all the champs from Big Nic who our family were very close to when he came from Maryborough through to Juddy.
In my opinion, Carlton should sign up Pat for 10 years starting in 2018. He's contracted till 2017.
I reckon that with another pre-season, and more muscle and fitness in his body, he could become the greatest player that we have ever seen at our club.
In my opinion, this 20 year old is a genius. I watched some of the things he did today, and Judd couldn't have done them.
I recently saw a comparison between the two I think on Footy Classified, and at the same stage of their careers and Cripps is a head of Judd in all areas.
He should be made Vice Captain next year, and then a year after that become Carlton's youngest ever captain. his on field leadership is second to none.
if he doesn't win a Brownlow in the coming years, then I'll stand naked in the Bourke Street mall, and that wouldn't be a good look.
Barring injury, this kid will be the man to build a side around.
Let's hope SOS does the job he is employed to do, and we can get some decent picks and trades so that we can give this kid a reason to stay with us.
Because I can tell you now, every club in this competition would take him today.
Can the mods delete this post.
Bignic started well with 4 negatives (after a win) but then said one or two positive things. Obviously his account has been hacked.????
Dont see the love for Tutt...a dud of the highest order, picked up some easy kicks vs some equally qualified spuds wearing Melbourne jumpers and panicked nearly everytime he was put under even moderate pressure with the exception of one left foot pass to Everitt The only reason I would play him is to secure a bottom two position....
Agreed, Tutt is that guy who is going to kill momentum and team-spirit. He wants to play AFL, but as soon as he gets the pill he offloads it like it's a red hot rock, usually selling a team-mate into trouble before complaining that they didn't give him the pill back. I'd be giving him the pill back quickly and frequently so that he either learns the error of his ways or retires early!
Assuming Byrne and Sheahan can get fit which allows some on-field reshuffling Tutt has no future at Carlton. Further to play Tutt means Murphy has to be in the guts on the inside and I know which player I'd rather have running hard outside and finishing, it ain't Tutt!
Armfield, Graham and others are a mile ahead of Tutt as an option.
Jeesus.... I just said Tutt played well, I didn't say sign him up for 5 years. ::)
If this game was "The Battle for the Rising Star" you'd be embarrased to give it to Hogan
Jeesus.... I just said Tutt played well, I didn't say sign him up for 5 years. ::)
Well we already have him for another two anyway!
FWIW you can't fault his effort, just not good enough.
Well we already have him for another two anyway!
FWIW you can't fault his effort, just not good enough.
Not quite 2 years PITC, we signed him on a 2 year deal so he has a year left in 2016. The one we have locked away long term is Jones on a 4 year deal...heaven help us!!
Jeesus.... I just said Tutt played well, I didn't say sign him up for 5 years. ::)
He obviously has some footy smarts, he knows the positions to get too, his execution and thought processes once he is near the ball is shocking.
He did play OK yesterday, but that's about his level of opposition i think as he is quite a good VFL player.
@PI2C Not sure what you didnt like about Whiley, was in an around the contest all day and made really smart decisions (kick to space and let Walker run onto it). He reminds me a little of Priddis (not jsut the hair) and needs time to play these last two games (not as sub!). I'm backing him in, i think he'll be a good player.
With Whiley, compare his play in the magoos to his first team efforts and the difference seems to be confidence.
In the magoos he's aggressive and takes more responsibility, in the ones he's just second guessing himself ATM. Not really attacking the football. But he's improving quickly.
My fave from yesterday was Boek. He'll never be a collision football mega star, but he does some things you can't teach or defend.
If the cap goes to 80 rotations next year and he gets a bigger tank, look the screw out!!
Not quite 2 years PITC, we signed him on a 2 year deal so he has a year left in 2016. The one we have locked away long term is Jones on a 4 year deal...heaven help us!!
??? Four yrs? Thought it was 3 yr deal? And that was bad enough. Anyone confirm?
With Whiley, compare his play in the magoos to his first team efforts and the difference seems to be confidence.
In the magoos he's aggressive and takes more responsibility, in the ones he's just second guessing himself ATM. Not really attacking the football. But he's improving quickly.
My fave from yesterday was Boek. He'll never be a collision football mega star, but he does some things you can't teach or defend.
If the cap goes to 80 rotations next year and he gets a bigger tank, look the screw out!!
Hmm i haven't committed either way with BB apart from thinking we probably could have nabbed him a bit later than pick 21, but he certainly has some tricks and twice he competed 1 on 1 Against Mcdonald when for some reason we kicked to him one out in the goal square and broke even. Allowed Cripps to Goal from the resulting stoppage.
The 80m run hopefully showed him, when he is tired he just has to keep going, and he backed himself and even took a bounce before a very sensible kick even though his legs were screaming. Little things like that can help a player grow.
??? Four yrs? Thought it was 3 yr deal? And that was bad enough. Anyone confirm?
My bad, 3 year contract, only 2 years to go!!!
Hmm i haven't committed either way with BB apart from thinking we probably could have nabbed him a bit later than pick 21, but he certainly has some tricks and twice he competed 1 on 1 Against Mcdonald when for some reason we kicked to him one out in the goal square and broke even. Allowed Cripps to Goal from the resulting stoppage.
The 80m run hopefully showed him, when he is tired he just has to keep going, and he backed himself and even took a bounce before a very sensible kick even though his legs were screaming. Little things like that can help a player grow.
Did you see the one where it looked like he wanted to stop but Docherty waved him to keep running and receive? ;D
Can the mods delete this post.
Bignic started well with 4 negatives (after a win) but then said one or two positive things. Obviously his account has been hacked.????
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
@PI2C Not sure what you didnt like about Whiley, was in an around the contest all day and made really smart decisions (kick to space and let Walker run onto it). He reminds me a little of Priddis (not jsut the hair) and needs time to play these last two games (not as sub!). I'm backing him in, i think he'll be a good player.
That bit of play was what I didn't like. He got the ball in space and had he turned around straight away he would've hit Walker in the goal square but just took far too long to face the goals and by the time he did he had to put Walker into space in the pocket. He literally looked sideways, ran sideways and then straightened up. Had to be at the ground to see that one.
Barker's face after the siren was classic stuff. Looked like he was about to be called into the manager's office
Hmm i haven't committed either way with BB apart from thinking we probably could have nabbed him a bit later than pick 21, but he certainly has some tricks and twice he competed 1 on 1 Against Mcdonald when for some reason we kicked to him one out in the goal square and broke even. Allowed Cripps to Goal from the resulting stoppage.
The 80m run hopefully showed him, when he is tired he just has to keep going, and he backed himself and even took a bounce before a very sensible kick even though his legs were screaming. Little things like that can help a player grow.
This. This is
IT. So many of our problems stem from lack of run and accountability*. Legs screaming from lactic acid build up? Want a breather but still need to run and chase? :'( :'( :'(
Too many Navy Princesses over the last 10 years think this is unusual. The top teams know this is the norm. Forget about Colorado. Send them down to the Portsea sand dunes and get them to run up and down till they puke. Then get them to do it faster, carrying weights, backwards.
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That and a serious lack of skill. But that's another story.
If this game was "The Battle for the Rising Star" you'd be embarrased to give it to Hogan
Is Luke Darcy on the selection panel? If so, prepare to be embarrassed.
If getting rid of the players in the past & present who are undisciplined or wont play for the jumper results in an effort like that...then im happy.
Hmm i haven't committed either way with BB apart from thinking we probably could have nabbed him a bit later than pick 21, but he certainly has some tricks and twice he competed 1 on 1 Against Mcdonald when for some reason we kicked to him one out in the goal square and broke even. Allowed Cripps to Goal from the resulting stoppage.
The 80m run hopefully showed him, when he is tired he just has to keep going, and he backed himself and even took a bounce before a very sensible kick even though his legs were screaming. Little things like that can help a player grow.
Since I declared he isnt going to make it, he has had a major form reversal and is going from strength to strength.
Reverse Jinxer in chief.
So, expect me to be mr negative from now on in the effort to do the reverse jinxer.
Special mention here to Ed Curnow.
Was never going to be a superstar. Kicking skills are ordinary. Speed is one paced, but boy did he run his guts out yesterday. Continually presented for the hit-up kick. Seemed to be everywhere. thought he had a great game.
That bit of play was what I didn't like. He got the ball in space and had he turned around straight away he would've hit Walker in the goal square but just took far too long to face the goals and by the time he did he had to put Walker into space in the pocket. He literally looked sideways, ran sideways and then straightened up. Had to be at the ground to see that one.
Didn't have to be at the ground to see that one. That's exactly what I thought when I saw it on TV but I thought he was OK otherwise. Just needs confidence and belief, but even then he wont be a star, just a solid contributor.
Barker's face after the siren was classic stuff. Looked like he was about to be called into the manager's office
The look of a man who just cost us pick #1. :P He tried moving Watson down back and Cripps forward but the game was over by then. ^-^
Special mention here to Ed Curnow.
Was never going to be a superstar. Kicking skills are ordinary. Speed is one paced, but boy did he run his guts out yesterday. Continually presented for the hit-up kick. Seemed to be everywhere. thought he had a great game.
Great call....especially the 'seemed to be everywhere' observation which was 100% spot on. Will easily finish top 5 in the B&F.
Well maybe I should fly over for every Blues game.
Was great to get back to the 'G and also see our lads win.
Sat behind the Melb cheersquad which was entertaining enough on its own.
Rowe is, and always will be a spud. For such a big man is easily brushed aside. When we were killing them and the pressure was off, Rowe was in his element. as soon as it got tough, Rowe collapsed like a pricked balloon.
Rowe was awful all game I thought. Felt for his opponent rather than attacking the ball. Looked scared out there.
Yes he played well previously under MM, but he needs to go now. Give someone else a gig down back for the remaining 2 games.
Well done lads, enjoyed the match despite our dropping off and injuries/forced sub in the 2nd half.
Well maybe I should fly over for every Blues game.
Was great to get back to the 'G and also see our lads win.
Sat behind the Melb cheersquad which was entertaining enough on its own.
Rowe was awful all game I thought. Felt for his opponent rather than attacking the ball. Looked scared out there.
Yes he played well previously under MM, but he needs to go now. Give someone else a gig down back for the remaining 2 games.
Well done lads, enjoyed the match despite our dropping off and injuries/forced sub in the 2nd half.
I thought Rowe played on Dawes?...the latter was next to useless...
I thought Rowe played on Dawes?...the latter was next to useless...
Rowe and Jamo switched roles on Hogan and Dawes a few times.
Thought Rowe was pretty good myself. Got caught HTB once but was pretty safe otherwise.
Just got to play within his limitation................and he has a few.
Rowe stop gap at best.
Rowe stop gap at best.
Yet is clearly the best CHB on our list. :-[
Yet is clearly the best CHB on our list. :-[
Except for Hendo. If we had given Jaksch more gametime he may have already overtaken him.
Except for Hendo. If we had given Jaksch more gametime he may have already overtaken him.
I don't count Hendo as being on our list anymore.
Jaksch wasn't given game time because he keeps breaking down.
Still, at his slight frame, Rowe has him covered....for now.
Point is, as good/bad as Rowe is....the cupboard is bare. We need to recruit at least 3 KPPs this offseason. At LEAST 3.
1 to cover Hendo.
1 developing back
1 developing forward
...plus an up and coming ruckman.
We'll get 1 with our first pick. Maybe PSD (Carlisle) will help us get another 1. We need to find more.
Stick Jones down back. He can't do anything anywhere else.
Stick Jones down back. He can't do anything anywhere else.
I'm not expecting much at cchb either. You need some smarts in the big time.
I'm not expecting much at cchb either. You need some smarts in the big time.
I am not expecting much either, but just some return on a 3 year deal he has sucked out of us. Mick is at fault with this bunny.
I am not expecting much either, but just some return on a 3 year deal he has sucked out of us. Mick is at fault with this bunny.
Everyone could see from a billion miles away what was going to happen over the draft/trade period with Mick in his last year and under pressure. Pretty sure we all started talking about it months before the end of the season.
I don't blame Mick, he did the obvious thing. The club should have protected itself.
Everyone could see from a billion miles away what was going to happen over the draft/trade period with Mick in his last year and under pressure. Pretty sure we all started talking about it months before the end of the season.
I don't blame Mick, he did the obvious thing. The club should have protected itself.
Absolutely! I am pretty sure Mick cannot sign off on a recruit.
The club was negligent.