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Title: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: crashlander on July 19, 2018, 09:01:21 pm
WERRIBEE v. NORTHERN BLUES

Round 16 – 22/07/2018    01:00PM
Avalon Airport Oval (Chirnside Park)

On at the same time as the Carlton vs Hawthorn game, so one of our players will be the senior emergency.

Northern Blues

B: 7. M. Blakey, 13. C. O’Shea, 44. C. Byrne
HB: 29. J. Hill, 17. S. Rowe, 51. A. Mullett
C: 54. J.  Garlett, 1. T.  Wilson, 33. D.  Lang
HF: 3. J. Palmer, 30. P. Kerr, 46. M. Wright
F: 38. K. LeBois, 15. L. Casboult, 26. J. Silvagni
R: 36. M. Lobbe, 9. S. Fisher, 32. N. Graham
Int: 5. T. De Koning, 11. A. Federico, 25. K. Keppel, 14. J. Lynch, 22. C. McCabe, 27. A. Milham, 12. B. Myers, 24. F. Pearce, 57. E. Penrith, 49. A. Schumacher, 35. M. Stavrou, 16. J. Velissaris

23P: 58. J. Naylor

In: J. Silvagni, D. Lang, M. Wright, S. Rowe, T. De Koning, K. Keppel, 1. Garlett, A. Milham

Of the 15 Carlton players named at best 10 will play. No certainty of de Koning or Lang, but they'd be very welcome.
The midfield is looking very bare.

Werribee

B: 44. J. Henderson, 15. S. Collins, 7. D. McFarlane
HB: 12. R. Barrack, 5. N. Coughlan, 28. M. Brett
C: 31. K.  Declase, 6. J.  Sharp, 10. J.  Maishman
HF: 29. D. Brew, 9. K. Aylett, 27. E. Petterwood
F: 14. A. Hooper, 18. J. Porter, 2. M. Munro
R: 36. J. Berry, 3. M. Sodomaco, 4. T. Gribble
Int: 17. M. Augerinos, 30. C. Bance, 37. J. Bennett, 23. H. Boyd, 46. F. Brancatisano, 25. N. Buykx, 26. B. Moloney, 35. B. McNamara
23P: 38. K. Gray

In: M. Augerinos, J. Bennett, C. Bance, B. Moloney
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Blue Moon on July 20, 2018, 05:10:05 pm
What's happened to McDaid?
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Lods on July 20, 2018, 05:23:02 pm
Looked a pretty good team but now....
Silvagni, Lobbe, Wright and Casboult are out of that side.

Actually it still doesn't look too bad. De Koning and Schumacher will probably come in.
Should be worth a look.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 20, 2018, 07:29:45 pm
Interesting to see how Sam Collins goes for Werribee at FB on the Bolt...Collins is good odds to be picked up again by a club wanting a key defender.
Played for Freo and was unlucky to be cut IMO.......I'd be checking him out as a cheap replacement for SOS/Rowe...
Cant believe Ben Maloney is still playing for Werribee, went to Collingwood and I thought he retired but now back at the Bees.....been a good VFL Footballer
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: flyboy77 on July 21, 2018, 12:24:15 pm
Sam Collins - yes please.

Like the way he goes about it.

Dockers were mad to chop him.

Quote
Lamont said he hoped the Werribee environment would be able to assist Collins in getting back into the AFL system and described the 194cm, 97kg defender as “a round peg in a round hole” given the club’s recruiting requirements.

“Sam is exactly what we need,” said Lamont.

“He’s experienced, he shows leadership, he has the size to play on the big blokes, and he plays with aggression and courage, so he’s going to be a really good role model for our younger defenders.

“He wants another opportunity at AFL level, and we’d love that for him. In the meantime, he’s team orientated, so he’s a great fit for us, and we’re really excited to have him as part of our playing group in this new era.”

http://www.werribeefc.com.au/news/all-stories/748-former-docker-collins-joins-werribee
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: crashlander on July 21, 2018, 03:09:53 pm
What's happened to McDaid?
Injured. Not long until his return, though.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: townsendcalling on July 21, 2018, 03:19:37 pm
Sam Collins - yes please.

Like the way he goes about it.

Dockers were mad to chop him.

http://www.werribeefc.com.au/news/all-stories/748-former-docker-collins-joins-werribee

Box Hill Hawks 2013 - 2015, so Bolton would / should have some intell on him??
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 21, 2018, 04:52:55 pm
Box Hill Hawks 2013 - 2015, so Bolton would / should have some intell on him??

As should Cameron Bruce..seems strange no Hawks have followed Bolton to us or maybe as DJ suggested their was a gentlemans agreement
not to poach Hawks players..
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Lods on July 21, 2018, 05:15:30 pm
As should Cameron Bruce..seems strange no Hawks have followed Bolton to us or maybe as DJ suggested their was a gentlemans agreement
not to poach Hawks players..

More likely none have been what Silvagni was after...some of their older players would possibly have been useful for a year or two though.
Maybe this year.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: LoveNavy on July 22, 2018, 11:56:24 am
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Northern Blues FC
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@NBluesFC
???? Final changes ????

IN: Tom De Koning, Jarrod Garlett,
Kane Keppel, Darcy Lang, Angus Milham, Sam Rowe.
OUT: Levi Casboult, Nick Graham, Patrick Kerr, Matthew Lobbe, Aaron Mullett, Fraser Pearce
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: LP on July 22, 2018, 02:14:27 pm
Northern go better without our AFL players, that's a hell of a tell! :o

Northern Leading 56-21

I know this sounds like paranoia, but the moment the NBs pile on the goals the VFL live site stops the updates! ;)
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Robblues on July 22, 2018, 02:53:30 pm
Northern go better without our AFL players, that's a hell of a tell! :o

Northern Leading 56-21

I know this sounds like paranoia, but the moment the NBs pile on the goals the VFL live site stops the updates! ;)
Maybe it really shows the quality of our side or lack of it
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: LP on July 22, 2018, 03:08:14 pm
3/4-time NBs lead 83-37
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: laj on July 22, 2018, 03:53:19 pm
Won by 27pts. They kicked a few late when it was all over.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: PaulP on July 22, 2018, 03:53:44 pm
98-71 final score. Not sure why they kicked so many goals in the last, but anyway, a win.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: crashlander on July 22, 2018, 05:37:24 pm
What a result!
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: crashlander on July 22, 2018, 05:45:41 pm
DISPOSALS: Wilson 35, Fisher 27, Schumacher 23, Penrith 20, O'Shea 19, Palmer 19, Hill 19.

Only 2 Blues named in the top possession getters.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Barbs on July 22, 2018, 05:53:32 pm
DISPOSALS: Wilson 35, Fisher 27, Schumacher 23, Penrith 20, O'Shea 19, Palmer 19, Hill 19.

Only 2 Blues named in the top possession getters.
Might explain the result
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Professer E on July 22, 2018, 06:17:19 pm
How's Penrith  coming along Crash,  is he draft able or another bust?
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: crashlander on July 22, 2018, 06:26:29 pm
How's Penrith  coming along Crash,  is he draft able or another bust?
At this point I would inviting Penrith down to senior training with an aim of rookying him in 2019. He has some way to go, but his attack on the ball and his pace does appeal to me. He still needs some work on his disposal and decision making, but he has improved a hell of a lot since last year and is worth looking at.
For that matter, I would be looking at Fisher and Palmer as well. Both are not as consistent as I would like, but their efforts and their work ethic is very impressive.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: blue4life on July 22, 2018, 06:29:01 pm
Byrne got through OK, surely next week.
Schumaker was very good I'm told and surely we have to look at Fisher for 2019.
Anyway, good to have a win.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 22, 2018, 07:38:09 pm
Penrith is similar to SPS and Fisher reminds me of Obrien.....just two more light bodies that will be fodder at senior level...too many boys..
We need bigger, stronger, nastier.....
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: blue4life on July 22, 2018, 07:40:22 pm
Penrith is similar to SPS and Fisher reminds me of Obrien.....just two more light bodies that will be fodder at senior level...too many boys..
We need bigger, stronger, nastier.....

We need players who can execute basic skills if you ask me.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 22, 2018, 07:42:52 pm
We need players who can execute basic skills if you ask me.

Agree....but we cant add anymore Auskick kids to what we already have....
Players like Dow need mature support themselves not more little bodies they will have to look after....
Hawks brought a newbie called James Worpel into the team and he kicked our ArSe to the tune of 32 possies..now Worpel is 185cm and 85kg and clearly
has a headstart on a kid like OBrien or Polson, its not rocket science we need bigger bodies and no more Auskickers...
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: blue4life on July 22, 2018, 08:20:38 pm
In other news, Le Bois lasted 5 minutes and has broken down again with what looked like a hamstring.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Professer E on July 22, 2018, 08:22:23 pm
How unexpected.   Thanks for your service, good bye.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: flyboy77 on July 22, 2018, 08:57:31 pm
Some don't rate him but Kerridge adds a fair bit to our team's output - and he always runs out games well....
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 22, 2018, 09:29:12 pm
Some don't rate him but Kerridge adds a fair bit to our team's output - and he always runs out games well....

Agree on the fitness side and prefer him to Mullet, Polson, Shaw.......
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: cookie2 on July 22, 2018, 09:34:47 pm
Kerridge is no doubt a competitor and one of our better lesser lights but we need better in order to progress, He would be a handy foot soldier in a much more talented/experienced team than us.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: shawny on July 23, 2018, 08:54:48 am
Dont agree with needing Kerridge back. He is exactly the player we need to replace if we want to improve not one to bring into a team like ours.

Yes he has the fitness, yes he is a bigger body but he is as unreliable a kick as anyone and this wont improve - he turns its over in the worst spots and hence why crows let him go.  We cant keep going down the same track and expecting a different outcome.

Above everything else our number one area needing major improvement is getting blokes in who are smart footballers and with at least average - good ball when in possession. We have way too many sub standard users.

Need another clean out - Oshea, Kerridge, Graham, Mullet, Shaw, Casboult, Lamb, Garlett and Rowe are all sub standard and im sure I missed some. 

And once the above are added to players that we are unlikely to cut such as Ed Curnow, Jones, Polson, Marchbank, Kennedy etc, it doesn't leave many we have that are AFL standard with ball in hand.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: dodge on July 23, 2018, 09:36:22 am
Agree....but we cant add anymore Auskick kids to what we already have....
its not rocket science we need bigger bodies and no more Auskickers...

How to shatter my young fella's dream!  He reckons he's ready for next year...
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Thryleon on July 23, 2018, 01:11:13 pm
Jesse Palmer kicked 5 on the weekend.

Ive been very impressed by this guy.

Ex Port (Played 3 games, kicked 1 goal) and is a great size at 188 and 86 kg (wiki).  Turns 22 shortly.

Looks like the type of bloke who was cut due to lack of opportunity rather than lack of ability.

I also like Sam Fisher too, but he is a bit small.  Still whenever I have seen both these guys I have been impressed by their ability to make good decisions and dispose of the ball under fire.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: ianh on July 24, 2018, 09:51:21 am
Dont agree with needing Kerridge back. He is exactly the player we need to replace if we want to improve not one to bring into a team like ours.

Yes he has the fitness, yes he is a bigger body but he is as unreliable a kick as anyone and this wont improve - he turns its over in the worst spots and hence why crows let him go.  We cant keep going down the same track and expecting a different outcome.

Above everything else our number one area needing major improvement is getting blokes in who are smart footballers and with at least average - good ball when in possession. We have way too many sub standard users.

Need another clean out - Oshea, Kerridge, Graham, Mullet, Shaw, Casboult, Lamb, Garlett and Rowe are all sub standard and im sure I missed some. 

And once the above are added to players that we are unlikely to cut such as Ed Curnow, Jones, Polson, Marchbank, Kennedy etc, it doesn't leave many we have that are AFL standard with ball in hand.

I think with Kerridge we tend to talk at cross purposes.  Yes he is a limited player and butchers the ball.  He is not the future unless he can improve his disposal (history tells us not too many do at his stage of development), improve his disposal efficiency by taking the safe option all the time (which limits his impact, but might at least limit his clanger/turnover count) and/or play a role where he is giving value despite limited possessions - eg tagger and/or big body to get crunched to spare others and/or do some crunching himself (both of which he has the tank and strength for).  But he is value in my view in the present simply because he can provide that bigger body and big tank.  Played within his limitations - and they are considerable limitations - he can do a valuable role for this team IMHO.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Professer E on July 24, 2018, 10:38:50 am
Carazzo improved his disposal infinitely,  in hoping Kerridge's can do the same.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Jeffy38 on July 24, 2018, 10:45:56 am
We need bigger, stronger, nastier.....

I recall that as the membership slogan from ‘99 or was it nastier, hungrier, harder.

Bears the crap if they can smell what we are cooking.

Those were the days.....
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: LP on July 24, 2018, 10:47:56 am
Carazzo improved his disposal infinitely,  in hoping Kerridge's can do the same.

Yes on his left side, but he still missed targets on his right foot far too often!
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: cookie2 on July 24, 2018, 11:55:11 am
Carazzo improved his disposal infinitely,  in hoping Kerridge's can do the same.

If he could do that he would be a handy player to have on the list.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Baggers on July 24, 2018, 12:14:43 pm
If he could do that he would be a handy player to have on the list.

Agree. He did improve a little on last year's disposal horror show. If he can improve again, he would be valuable as he can find the aggot and doesn't take short steps.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: cookie2 on July 24, 2018, 12:27:38 pm
Agree. He did improve a little on last year's disposal horror show. If he can improve again, he would be valuable as he can find the aggot and doesn't take short steps.

Yep. He can be quite a physical player and we don't have an over-abundance of those.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on July 24, 2018, 02:00:03 pm
I recall that as the membership slogan from ‘99 or was it nastier, hungrier, harder.

Bears the crap if they can smell what we are cooking.

Those were the days.....
I loved 2011 "No passengers" now they are all passengers with no one driving the bus! ????
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: kruddler on July 24, 2018, 05:58:23 pm
I loved 2011 "No passengers" now they are all passengers with no one driving the bus! ????

I actually came across an old membership hat 5 minutes ago (the kids were playing with it) and it had 'no passengers' on it. I laughed, then sighed.  :-[
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: cookie2 on July 24, 2018, 07:05:05 pm
I used to have the "No Passengers" sticker on the rear window of my Troopie 11 seater. Served two purposes of course but became an embarrassment (the sticker not the Troopie).  :(
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: flyboy77 on July 24, 2018, 09:22:31 pm
If he could do that he would be a handy player to have on the list.

Short memories my fellows....

Kerridge's efforts in the back end of 2017 were better than both Gibbs and Murphy. Better numbers, better DE.

That he didn't play rd 1 this year - and BB kept playing skinny kids - was just another example of the misguided, bloody mindedness of the match committee....

Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: cookie2 on July 24, 2018, 09:49:15 pm
Short memories my fellows....

Kerridge's efforts in the back end of 2017 were better than both Gibbs and Murphy. Better numbers, better DE.

That he didn't play rd 1 this year - and BB kept playing skinny kids - was just another example of the misguided, bloody mindedness of the match committee....

I guess my memory goes back further to his fumbling turnover merchant period and that is what is ingrained in my mind. A few games where he showed improvement somehow have not yet compensated!  ???
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: DJC on July 24, 2018, 09:57:55 pm
I think Kerridge has been unfairly criticised for poor disposal and it's worth comparing his stats with those of Simmo for example.

However, I don't think that he is the future, apart from providing depth and some cover for our kids.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: Professer E on July 24, 2018, 10:27:34 pm
Where is Kerridge anyway,  has dropped off the radar.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: flyboy77 on July 24, 2018, 10:49:43 pm
Back this week.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 16: Northern Blues vs Werribee at Werribee
Post by: ianh on July 25, 2018, 06:32:53 pm
Back this week.

Probably not - more likely the week after.