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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by laj -
Quote from: pinot on
Don't think a loss has hurt this badly since 1999 grand final loss tbh.
..and all went downhill from there.

That GF loss didn't hurt so much. We spent most of the year being crap and somehow made the GF. Miracle just participating.

Tonight's loss was plainly frustrating. Work rate was poor and still just lost by 6pts. Losses pissed down the drain recently all for the same reason. A minute left and still couldn't hold on for at least a draw. After the way we played I would have taken that, but we managed to stuff that up too.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by JonDorotich -
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Pies played the big moments well, leading tackle makers were Pendlebury, Nick Daicos and Crisp which would surprise a few people but probably showed even their showboat players like Daicos worked a bit harder than we thought they would.
Both teams had a lot of non contributors but I felt some of ours did nothing at all unlike a few of their quiet stars who at least competed. Backline worries me when Weitering is out of the play and we are relying on the likes of Williams, Young, Cowan and Cincotta. Need Saad and McGovern back to provide stability and Kemp is a better player than all four I mentioned and dropping him was dumb imho. Not the end of the world and when we get our main troops back including Martin and Motlop we will be ok.
Fantasia and Durdin might not as well have been playing as their contributions were zero.....

My feelings exactly
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by laj -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Pies played the big moments well, leading tackle makers were Pendlebury, Nick Daicos and Crisp which would surprise a few people but probably showed even their showboat players like Daicos worked a bit harder than we thought they would.
Both teams had a lot of non contributors but I felt some of ours did nothing at all unlike a few of their quiet stars who at least competed. Backline worries me when Weitering is out of the play and we are relying on the likes of Williams, Young, Cowan and Cincotta. Need Saad and McGovern back to provide stability and Kemp is a better player than all four I mentioned and dropping him was dumb imho. Not the end of the world and when we get our main troops back including Martin and Motlop we will be ok.
Fantasia and Durdin might not as well have been playing as their contributions were zero.....

Those 2 got 12 touches between then for 0.1. You can't have 2 mall forward literally not touching it.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Pies played the big moments well, leading tackle makers were Pendlebury, Nick Daicos and Crisp which would surprise a few people but probably showed even their showboat players like Daicos worked a bit harder than we thought they would.
Both teams had a lot of non contributors but I felt some of ours did nothing at all unlike a few of their quiet stars who at least competed. Backline worries me when Weitering is out of the play and we are relying on the likes of Williams, Young, Cowan and Cincotta. Need Saad and McGovern back to provide stability and Kemp is a better player than all four I mentioned and dropping him was dumb imho. Not the end of the world and when we get our main troops back including Martin and Motlop we will be ok.
Fantasia and Durdin might not as well have been playing as their contributions were zero.....
I though Cincotta did very well on Hill. Of the Ins, I thought he gave us something, they rest were witches hats.
He and Weiters were out best defenders by a very long way. The rest were awful. 
Charlie is an interesting one at the moment. Doing the extraordinary extraordinarily well but is not the basics very poorly. Fumbling, looking slow.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Thryleon -
Ill start with some very ordinary free goals gidted to the pies by the umpires.  In a 6 point game when we were on top that was important. Particularly when we dont get them back for holds. 

Now going back to the teams and the systems or lack thereof.  We are relying on a lot of overlap run and handball.  It worked for a quarter and then the pies setup differently.  Their system gives team space to hang themselves unless each disposal is perfect.  We got through enoigh to keep playing that way but they were effectively able to build pressure on the ball carrier as time went on because we kept running it through the corridor and couldnt get the release kick forward.

This results in the dump kicks, and lack of ability to see free targets up field.

The pies systems in the centre are interesting.  The rucks actually dont attempt to win the tap.  They play to halve it and then dictate where the ball lamds ofd either ruck.  They also position themselves so that the ball will land to our advantage inside the contest and theirs outside.  This results in more repeat stoppages, and lack of ability to break through.  You find space at the back, where their high half forwards run back to pressure the clearance.  Results in more ball going their way more often. 

Fundamentally they are a better drilled and smarter football team.  That being said the amount of illegal holding, shepherds that they get away with is outrageous including simply dumping the ball out of a tackle. 

Realistically they could have put us away with netter kicking.  We could have pinched it bbut when the scores are level harry takes a good strong mark in front of moore and inexplicably kicks it across the top of fifty to no one in particular.  Pies rebound.  Repeat forward stoppage and the eventual setup to get daicos clear and kick the winning goal. 

Its a shame, they ran that play earlier and it worked then for a snap goal.  We need to get smarter in a hurry.