Patty coming on now
Hope he says he is resigning a 6 year extension.
Said he loves the joint, been here through some tough times and definitely wants to be here when we improve
Said they will have some discussion with SOS at the end of the year.
Farking gem
Crippa's a ripper. No doubt about it. Love to see him wearing navy with a premiership medal around his neck.
Only a matter of time.
Marry me Crippa ;D As I have said, strong character with old school values, leadership personified. Not going anywhere.
Hope he says he is resigning a 6 year extension.
This.
Have been sold on Crippa's character from his first pre season not from my own experience but a friend of mine in Gippsland. My friend is heavily involved in one of the leagues down there and they had a season launch in which a few Blues boys were there. Crippa was just in was plonked on my friends table along with one Josh Bootsma. My friend could not have been more impressed by Crippa's respect in general, respect for the women on the table including his wife, his attitude, and the fact he made an effort to talk to each member of the table individually which was the complete opposite of Bootsma who offered nothing.
Marry me Crippa ;D As I have said, strong character with old school values, leadership personified. Not going anywhere.
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Very, very impressive interview. Bravo Crippa... wrapped he loves Melbourne (translated - got a girlfriend here and she's a Melbournian... me: ' now get married and have lots of kids, girls and boys to fill our future teams').
Quality person is our Crippa. Also really impressed with the interviews I've heard from the Doc... can't go wrong with these two front and centre for the Captaincy... gotta be both, can't separate them.
The more I think about it - in the instance of Cripps and the Doc - co Captains might be best.
Don't want to piss either of them off by not giving them the gig....
The more I think about it - in the instance of Cripps and the Doc - co Captains might be best.
Don't want to piss either of them off by not giving them the gig....
They both have captaincy written into their DNA. Murphy is done. Cripps should be given the nod now, that's just how good he is. Reminds me a lot of Johnston
Cripps has to be captain IMO , he will be the peoples choice......no player is bigger than the club but Cripps has closed the gap.....
Cripps has to be captain IMO , he will be the peoples choice......no player is bigger than the club but Cripps has closed the gap.....
But would that annoy Doc to the point where he wants out sooner than later?
Cripps hasn't enough AFL experience in my opinion and hasn't yet delivered to his full potential.
If he was hitting the scoreboard regularly, if he was more efficient with his ball use, that is if he had more than one trick to his bow, then I'd be more confident of him as a captain.
In two or three years Cripps could be, but for me right now it's still the Doc.
Cripps hasn't enough AFL experience in my opinion and hasn't yet delivered to his full potential.
Same could have been said of Kernahan and Carey when they were given the job.
Cripps is an on-field 'follow me' type leader.
Docherty is a 24/7 type leader.
Cripps lets his hair down a bit during media interviews and what not.
Docherty is always in full business mode. More serious.
I guess it depends on what the club prefers its leader to be.
Cripps is an on-field 'follow me' type leader.
Docherty is a 24/7 type leader.
Cripps lets his hair down a bit during media interviews and what not.
Docherty is always in full business mode. More serious.
I guess it depends on what the club prefers its leader to be.
Perhaps the idea is not to think 'either/or' but rather, 'and...'
If Docherty gets it over Cripps it will only be a matter of time before its another Mitchell/Hodge situation especially if we are not doing well.......the media/supporters will see Cripps as the spiritual on field leader like Hodge was and want the change.....
If Docherty gets it over Cripps it will only be a matter of time before its another Mitchell/Hodge situation especially if we are not doing well.......the media/supporters will see Cripps as the spiritual on field leader like Hodge was and want the change.....
I just hope the club makes the right decision using proper processes and protocols, and ignores the outside noise. If it's Cripps, then so be it. If it's Doch, ditto.
The media don't know sh1t about what happens behind closed doors.
If Docherty gets it over Cripps it will only be a matter of time before its another Mitchell/Hodge situation especially if we are not doing well.......the media/supporters will see Cripps as the spiritual on field leader like Hodge was and want the change.....
See I don't get that....and it it just a matter of opinion
Cripps is there at the moment
Docherty is on the bench.
Hard to make a judgement.
I reckon Docherty is just the type of captain we need.
A grade player, but also a coach in waiting.
Let Cripps concentrate on being a superstar.
The reality is though, that this decision will be made a lot closer to the action, and the players and coaches who know better than we do will make that choice.
I'll be happy with that.
Same could have been said of Kernahan and Carey when they were given the job.
Don't agree.
Firstly I believe Kernahan was already a premiership player in SA before he entered the AFL, was the leading goalkicker multiple years, had won at least two club B&Fs, as well as a league best for the GF, he was at the top of his game when he arrived and if I recall he may have even captained his state.
Carey was already arguably the leagues best when he was named captain, he was named AA Captain the same year, I don't think he improved much after getting the job and it would have been scary if he did!
Cripps isn't at his peak yet, and has much to learn, he is not even regularly getting the basics right, and he is miles away from the level Carey or Kernahan were at, but he'll get there!
Perhaps the idea is not to think 'either/or' but rather, 'and...'
Personally, i think thats a cop out.
A decision that is made when someone can't make up their mind. Too afraid to not get it right, so they automatically get it wrong.
...but that a personal opinion.
Don't agree.
Firstly I believe Kernahan was already a premiership player in SA before he entered the AFL, was the leading goalkicker multiple years, had won at least two club B&Fs, as well as a league best for the GF, he was at the top of his game when he arrived and if I recall he may have even captained his state.
Carey was already arguably the leagues best when he was named captain, he was named AA Captain the same year, I don't think he improved much after getting the job and it would have been scary if he did!
Cripps isn't at his peak yet, and has much to learn, he is not even regularly getting the basics right, and he is miles away from the level Carey or Kernahan were at, but he'll get there!
Kernahan was captain in his second year at Carlton.
He won his first B&F in his first year as captain in 87.
Personally, i think thats a cop out.
A decision that is made when someone can't make up their mind. Too afraid to not get it right, so they automatically get it wrong.
...but that a personal opinion.
Wasn't it Einstein who said that the mark of real intelligence is the ability to hold two different/opposing views in your head at the same time
without feeling compelled to chose one over the other (Einstein updated the original F Scott Fitzgerald quote). Sometimes the smartest thing to do is think laterally, or different to the status quo... sometimes the toughest thing to do is be different. In 1964 we did the unimaginable and hired a playter from another club to be our captain/coach... who knows what our leadership group will look like in 2019, 3 Captains, or 1... doesn't matter, as long as we do what is best for the club and takes full advantage of the talents available. But status quo thinking is for the unimaginative (and deeply conservative types... ;) )
Wasn't it Einstein who said that the mark of real intelligence is the ability to hold two different/opposing views in your head at the same time without feeling compelled to chose one over the other (Einstein updated the original F Scott Fitzgerald quote). Sometimes the smartest thing to do is think laterally, or different to the status quo... sometimes the toughest thing to do is be different. In 1964 we did the unimaginable and hired a playter from another club to be our captain/coach... who knows what our leadership group will look like in 2019, 3 Captains, or 1... doesn't matter, as long as we do what is best for the club and takes full advantage of the talents available. But status quo thinking is for the unimaginative (and deeply conservative types... ;) )
Couldn’t agree more.
Our young group could get younger again with Simpson or Rowe or Murphy moving on in the next two years.
We all talk about the importance of development so why not have two senior on field leaders assisting the coaches in providing examples and direction
Wasn't it Einstein who said that the mark of real intelligence is the ability to hold two different/opposing views in your head at the same time without feeling compelled to chose one over the other (Einstein updated the original F Scott Fitzgerald quote). Sometimes the smartest thing to do is think laterally, or different to the status quo... sometimes the toughest thing to do is be different. In 1964 we did the unimaginable and hired a playter from another club to be our captain/coach... who knows what our leadership group will look like in 2019, 3 Captains, or 1... doesn't matter, as long as we do what is best for the club and takes full advantage of the talents available. But status quo thinking is for the unimaginative (and deeply conservative types... ;) )
By the same logic we could make Daisy captain. Or even OShea.
Thinking different, doesn't mean right. ;)
I'm all for thinking different, but i stand by my opinion on this matter.
BTW, has a team ever won a flag with dual captains? Not sure, but don't think so.
BTW, has a team ever won a flag with dual captains? Not sure, but don't think so.
Swans had 3 in 2005
The important thing is to make a rational decision on the capt. Set the criteria first and then identify and evaluate candidates based on those using an agreed process. No more pulling decisions out of the ani of club deities.
See I don't get that....and it it just a matter of opinion
Cripps is there at the moment
Docherty is on the bench.
Hard to make a judgement.
I reckon Docherty is just the type of captain we need.
A grade player, but also a coach in waiting.
Let Cripps concentrate on being a superstar.
The reality is though, that this decision will be made a lot closer to the action, and the players and coaches who know better than we do will make that choice.
I'll be happy with that.
My view is based on the perception of the public and media.........I have no doubt Cripps is seen as the most important player at the club and the one who win games.......his caricature is on every piece of marketing too.
Docherty is a fine player but not capable of being the inspiration that Cripps is IMO.......he is Mr sensible, Mr reliable, but none too exciting.......
IMO the club heavyweights will make the choice and the captain will be as much about the off field as the on field and by that who pulls more members through the door and who they can market for max effect and IMO there is only one winner and by a fair way...
EB, Tom Harley and Nick Maxwell were not the pin up boys at their clubs - I don't remember the media going into meltdown during their captaincy.
I just think the captain needs to be the one who has the best chance of capturing the hearts and minds of the players, who can keep their cool and make the right decisions at the right time, someone the coach can trust to do the right thing, and someone who can steady the ship when required. There is a certain brains v brawn aspect to this. It's about more than media pets and bulldozing around the stoppages. At least IMO.
Swans had 3 in 2005
I had to go back and research that.
Apparently that is incorrect. They had 6. Kinda.
But that was only because their actual captain stood down mid-season.
https://www.smh.com.au/news/AFL/Why-Swans-chose-six-captains/2005/05/11/1115585031843.html
Sydney yesterday named six captains who will rotate the role for the final 15 rounds - and the finals if necessary.
The sextet will fill the vacancy left by Stuart Maxfield, who relinquished the captaincy last week after announcing he would spend half the week in Melbourne with his children.
The six - who will each captain the side for at least two weeks - are members of Sydney's nine-man leadership group. They are Brett Kirk, who led the team last week against Essendon and will do so again on Sunday against Port Adelaide, Leo Barry, Jude Bolton, Adam Goodes, Barry Hall and Ben Mathews.
It was forced upon them somewhat.
EB, Tom Harley and Nick Maxwell were not the pin up boys at their clubs - I don't remember the media going into meltdown during their captaincy.
I just think the captain needs to be the one who has the best chance of capturing the hearts and minds of the players, who can keep their cool and make the right decisions at the right time, someone the coach can trust to do the right thing, and someone who can steady the ship when required. There is a certain brains v brawn aspect to this. It's about more than media pets and bulldozing around the stoppages. At least IMO.
Thats what i was getting at earlier...
It depends which way the club want to go.
Game-day heroics
or
Off-field managers of the group.
2 completely different types of captain.
Lately, we've always gone the first option.
I'd almost prefer the latter.
Maxwell and Harley were appointed for factional reasons........different kettle of fish.....
Collingwood and Geelong had several player groups and these two were neutrals acceptable by all parties.......
One other determining factor maybe who actually wants the job.....Cripps or Docherty may not be comfortable taking the job on.....
Maxwell and Harley were appointed for factional reasons........different kettle of fish.....
Collingwood and Geelong had several player groups and these two were neutrals acceptable by all parties.......
One other determining factor maybe who actually wants the job.....Cripps or Docherty may not be comfortable taking the job on.....
...and why were these 2 groups created? The previous captain inadvertently created them?? ;)
...and why were these 2 groups created? The previous captain inadvertently created them?? ;)
Someone called Mick allowed it , Rat Pack vs others........Rats didnt want Pendlebury captain either, Pendles being a Buckley clone and professional nerd.....hence Rats were moved on..
Scarlett was head of one group at Geelong and had a lot to say when he was a player, often against other players......players like Chapman and StevieJ hated each other and were in the opposite camps...Harley was under-rated as a captain dealing with all those ego's...you can see why the Swans wanted him, a very good people manager.
All clubs have factions...I am presuming.......Nth had Carey and his crew vs the rest, Carey and his lot ran the club and treated the rest like dog crape but as long as they were winning Denis said fine.....
Someone called Mick allowed it , Rat Pack vs others........Rats didnt want Pendlebury captain either, Pendles being a Buckley clone and professional nerd.....hence Rats were moved on..
Scarlett was head of one group at Geelong and had a lot to say when he was a player, often against other players......players like Chapman and StevieJ hated each other and were in the opposite camps...Harley was under-rated as a captain dealing with all those ego's...you can see why the Swans wanted him, a very good people manager.
All clubs have factions...I am presuming.......Nth had Carey and his crew vs the rest, Carey and his lot ran the club and treated the rest like dog crape but as long as they were winning Denis said fine.....
re Collingwood. Tony Shaw appointed Buckley as captain before Mick got there. Buckley was the divisive factor of the club and caused the factions. Micks was to fix that was to pick a captain who could bring them together.
Point i was making was that picking the WRONG captain (Buckley) can CAUSE factions to form. Despite being the best player at the club and setting a good example on how to train, and perform on match day...he lacked the leadership to bring the group together. Nick Maxwell was the opposite to Buckley.
Could Cripps be our Buckley? I'm not sure.
Doc seems less likely to be.
Anyone known as FIGJAM is never going to be a good Captain.
re Collingwood. Tony Shaw appointed Buckley as captain before Mick got there. Buckley was the divisive factor of the club and caused the factions. Micks was to fix that was to pick a captain who could bring them together.
Point i was making was that picking the WRONG captain (Buckley) can CAUSE factions to form. Despite being the best player at the club and setting a good example on how to train, and perform on match day...he lacked the leadership to bring the group together. Nick Maxwell was the opposite to Buckley.
Could Cripps be our Buckley? I'm not sure.
Doc seems less likely to be.
Rat Pack were let run loose by Mick...players like Tarrant wouldnt even talk to younger players, they were intimidated and belittled......Maxwell did a great job often having affected young players staying with him at his house.
re: Buckley.....his delivery was akin to B.Goddard........Rat Packers got away with stuff big time, players like Ben Johnson often didnt do scheduled weight sessions, he got away with it because his mates were the star players of the club...Mick allowed it and Maxwell did the cleaning up with other players who saw the double standards. The other player who Mick used to placate the groups was Luke Ball who came into the club and was a opposite of Swan, Didak, Shaw etc etc but still managed to get on with everyone and had the respect of every player.
I dont know how the players view Cripps, Docherty...or what factions exist, who is the more professional role model on and off the ground but I am presuming we dont need a neutral captain.....
Kernahan was captain in his second year at Carlton.
He won his first B&F in his first year as captain in 87.
I was talking about SA, Kernahan didn't come to us as a draftee, he was the man in SA before he arrived at Carlton!
EB, Tom Harley and Nick Maxwell were not the pin up boys at their clubs - I don't remember the media going into meltdown during their captaincy.
I just think the captain needs to be the one who has the best chance of capturing the hearts and minds of the players, who can keep their cool and make the right decisions at the right time, someone the coach can trust to do the right thing, and someone who can steady the ship when required. There is a certain brains v brawn aspect to this. It's about more than media pets and bulldozing around the stoppages. At least IMO.
Great post
Rat Pack were let run loose by Mick...players like Tarrant wouldnt even talk to younger players, they were intimidated and belittled......Maxwell did a great job often having affected young players staying with him at his house.
I can confirm that.
I have a friend who experienced it first hand, told me Collingwood was one of the most uncomfortable places to be on the planet. He described it as almost perverse in nature such was the preferential treatment of some and the belittling of others, like private boys school stuff! He said the superstars were virtually encouraged to talk down to the also rans, like it was a contest of survival for the newcomers. A clique!
If anyone thinks that any team environment on the planet doesnt match the conditions listed above regarding being belittled by the in group, and on the outer with the others then they are kidding themselves.
re Collingwood. Tony Shaw appointed Buckley as captain before Mick got there. Buckley was the divisive factor of the club and caused the factions. Micks was to fix that was to pick a captain who could bring them together.
Point i was making was that picking the WRONG captain (Buckley) can CAUSE factions to form. Despite being the best player at the club and setting a good example on how to train, and perform on match day...he lacked the leadership to bring the group together. Nick Maxwell was the opposite to Buckley.
Could Cripps be our Buckley? I'm not sure.
Doc seems less likely to be.
Wow, talking about drawing on a long bow... with some pretty peculiar logic, spanks of 'let's choose the lesser of two evils' kind of attitude. To even think for a moment that Crippa is anything like Buckley is bizarre. Watch Crippa's interviews again... he comes across a quality person, with towering humility. Nothing humble about Buckley... smart? Yes. Witty? Yes. Champion player? Yes. But there is much about him that comes across as a condescending self absorbed pr1ck.
Doc, like Crippa, comes across as a quality person, with strong footy smarts and communication skills. And, like Crippa, a seeming authentic love of the CFC.
Doc and Crippa are both worthy Captains of the CFC, can your brain grasp that reality without having to find a potential fault in one to justify appointing the other? Can you perhaps trust the CFC and those close to both of them (and others) to make the right decision? And that just might be joint skippers... or not. Either way, does it really matter? They both love the place and want to drive success and are bona fide leaders. To even mention Crippa's name in the same sentence as Buckley is very offensive.
Many organisations have groups within groups and it is then dependent on the senior management to dismantle these 'exclusive' groups to create a more 'inclusive' environment and unless you've been hiding under a rock, it is blatantly obvious that BB is creating an environment solidly underpinned by inclusiveness.... whole of club inclusiveness, this kind of culture will weed out self-interested pr1cks rather quickly... or provide them with the tools to change.
Wow, talking about drawing on a long bow... with some pretty peculiar logic, spanks of 'let's choose the lesser of two evils' kind of attitude. To even think for a moment that Crippa is anything like Buckley is bizarre. Watch Crippa's interviews again... he comes across a quality person, with towering humility. Nothing humble about Buckley... smart? Yes. Witty? Yes. Champion player? Yes. But there is much about him that comes across as a condescending self absorbed pr1ck.
Doc, like Crippa, comes across as a quality person, with strong footy smarts and communication skills. And, like Crippa, a seeming authentic love of the CFC.
Doc and Crippa are both worthy Captains of the CFC, can your brain grasp that reality without having to find a potential fault in one to justify appointing the other? Can you perhaps trust the CFC and those close to both of them (and others) to make the right decision? And that just might be joint skippers... or not. Either way, does it really matter? They both love the place and want to drive success and are bona fide leaders. To even mention Crippa's name in the same sentence as Buckley is very offensive.
Many organisations have groups within groups and it is then dependent on the senior management to dismantle these 'exclusive' groups to create a more 'inclusive' environment and unless you've been hiding under a rock, it is blatantly obvious that BB is creating an environment solidly underpinned by inclusiveness.... whole of club inclusiveness, this kind of culture will weed out self-interested pr1cks rather quickly... or provide them with the tools to change.
+1
It may even be as simple as going to a vote and allowing the playing group to structure up the leadership group they demand.
The day we can do that, we know we have turned the corner as a footy club!
Listening to Liddle's recent 3AW interview, I'm now even stronger on Doc as captain.
The other player who Mick used to placate the groups was Luke Ball who came into the club and was a opposite of Swan, Didak, Shaw etc etc but still managed to get on with everyone and had the respect of every player.
I heard the opposite of Ball.
Was so self centered he didn't give time to anyone, including a young guy he was supposed to be mentoring.
I heard the opposite of Ball.
Was so self centered he didn't give time to anyone, including a young guy he was supposed to be mentoring.
I was told by a Collingwood U18 scout who was one of the dads I used to see at my kids basketball games that Ball was non factional and a good influence on the younger group and during the year
he had off with injury he was very good as a role model for recovery work. Very matey with Chris Dawes who wasnt a Rat pack favourite was Ball...Dawes was one kid they couldnt intimidate when he arrived at Collingwood.
Wow, talking about drawing on a long bow... with some pretty peculiar logic, spanks of 'let's choose the lesser of two evils' kind of attitude. To even think for a moment that Crippa is anything like Buckley is bizarre. Watch Crippa's interviews again... he comes across a quality person, with towering humility. Nothing humble about Buckley... smart? Yes. Witty? Yes. Champion player? Yes. But there is much about him that comes across as a condescending self absorbed pr1ck.
That is somewhat out of context.
I wasn't saying Cripps was the same as Buckley, just saying we don't know if he is.
We are not 'in' the club, so we can't comment.
The whole point is you just don't pick 'the best player' and make them captain as that isn't always the best thing to do. I simply cited Buckley as an example of that.
No doubt Cripps is the best player. Just doubt over if he is the best captain.
That is somewhat out of context.
I wasn't saying Cripps was the same as Buckley, just saying we don't know if he is.
We are not 'in' the club, so we can't comment.
The whole point is you just don't pick 'the best player' and make them captain as that isn't always the best thing to do. I simply cited Buckley as an example of that.
No doubt Cripps is the best player. Just doubt over if he is the best captain.
Why do you doubt Cripps claims as our best captain?
I'd be happy with either Doc or Cripps - yet to see anything on or off field from either of them that concerns me.
I do think Doc is a smoother media operator at the moment.... Cripps can still look a little green with the camera in front of him but confident he will improve that side if exposed to it more.
Why do you doubt Cripps claims as our best captain?
I'd be happy with either Doc or Cripps - yet to see anything on or off field from either of them that concerns me.
I do think Doc is a smoother media operator at the moment.... Cripps can still look a little green with the camera in front of him but confident he will improve that side if exposed to it more.
Oy....i remember the days of multiple quotes that solved a lot of these arguments.
I don't have a problem with Cripps being captain.
I am just saying there is an unknown side of things that we, as supporters, don't know about.
I doubt there were too many Collingwood fans that were unhappy with Buckley being named captain back in the day.
Yet he created a divide, or at least, couldn't heal the divide. He wasn't really a people person. Are we 100% sure that Cripps doesn't have the same problem?
People claim that Cripps should 100% be captain, i'm saying nothing is clear cut.
I heard a story over the weekend on the radio in regards to Gary Ablett Snr. Back in the day, he stood in as the 'special comments' guy one day (i think on radio, but possibly tv). Anyway, after the game the regular commentators talking amongst themselves were rather disappointed with what Ablett offered in terms of insights into the game. Someone described his football style as a 'hunter' - that is,
'see ball get ball' type. In terms of his ability to read the game, trends, structures etc, he had no idea. He played on instinct and that is it. He had no meaningful grasp of the intricacies of an AFL game.
Essentially, as a captain, he'd be useless in terms of strategy and overcoming opposition tactics. Potentially the greatest to ever play the game, but knew nothing about the game.
Whats the point?
Just because Cripps is a beast out on the field and can potentially drag his entire team over the line, (like ablett) doesn't mean he has the ability to articulate and enforce the coaches wishes mid-game, and lead the team through difficult off-field times.
Doesn't mean he can't though....just saying we don't really know. ;)
Cripps doesnt seem to have the same polarising personality that Buckley did.....even opposition supporters like and respect Cripps...
Cripps doesnt seem to have the same polarising personality that Buckley did.....even opposition supporters like and respect Cripps...
Opposition supporters liked and respected Ablett Snr too.
I'm not sold on Cripps, nor am i opposed to him being captain.
Ditto Doc.
I'm just saying, that from the outside we are NOT the best judge of who should be captain.
Remember only 12 months ago Weitering was a top candidate from supporters to take over from Murphy, and he can't even break into the side at present.
Opposition supporters liked and respected Ablett Snr too.
I'm not sold on Cripps, nor am i opposed to him being captain.
Ditto Doc.
I'm just saying, that from the outside we are NOT the best judge of who should be captain.
Remember only 12 months ago Weitering was a top candidate from supporters to take over from Murphy, and he can't even break into the side at present.
From the outside, we are not the best judges on anything.
Close the site?
What colour was the couch ?
From the outside, we are not the best judges on anything.
Close the site?
No, just don't make definitive statements and expect everyone to go along with you.