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Title: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on May 30, 2019, 10:19:17 pm
Game 1 - England v South Africa.

Tight match, Poms batting - 4/235 odd after 40.

SAers missing Steyn.

Commentators putrid - it's the 'how good is the English team BS'!!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 30, 2019, 10:24:20 pm
Game 1 - England v South Africa.

Tight match, Poms batting - 4/235 odd after 40.

SAers missing Steyn.

Commentators putrid - it's the 'how good is the English team BS'!!

I read the 40 year old Tahir opened the bowling and got a wicket 2nd ball...nice gamble from Faf, not a bad recovery from the Poms though
and will be hard to beat. Saffies not as good at limited overs as they are at test cricket..
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on May 30, 2019, 10:39:07 pm
6/260 off 44.

Poms will lose this one me thinks...it's a good batting pitch, very good.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on May 30, 2019, 10:46:05 pm
I read the 40 year old Tahir opened the bowling and got a wicket 2nd ball...nice gamble from Faf, not a bad recovery from the Poms though
and will be hard to beat. Saffies not as good at limited overs as they are at test cricket..

Yep, Tahir got Bairstow first over Ithink...

edit - first ball.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on May 30, 2019, 11:14:38 pm
8-311 (50overs)
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on May 31, 2019, 07:44:06 am
Shows what I know - Poms smashed them - the SA batters failed....

The new kid Archer 3 for 27.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on May 31, 2019, 01:11:01 pm
The trouble is in the UK attending 1st Class cricket of any sort can be a bit elitist!

That can mean zero atmosphere at many ODI games, with tennis clapping, strawberries and cream for lunch!  Cricket for Marvin the Paranoid Android!

I appreciate some fans despise the Vuvuzela type activity, I'm probably in the same boat, but a bit of colour and noise go a long way to making a enjoyable ODI spectacle!

Inversely, I loved going to watch county cricket, picnic atmosphere, close up to the action and players even discussions with the boundary line fielders. Usually there is a pub or two or three across the way that everyone attends after the game!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 31, 2019, 01:29:31 pm
Shows what I know - Poms smashed them - the SA batters failed....

The new kid Archer 3 for 27.

Archer has emerged from the Big Bash series and is a lively bowler, I wouldnt be surprised to see him in the test series, real good in the field too.
The team that beats England will probably win the WC IMO....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: JonHenry on June 03, 2019, 04:18:14 am
At least South Africa can put a smile back on our faces
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 03, 2019, 09:41:19 am
At least South Africa can put a smile back on our faces

Carved up by Bangladesh. Ouch.

Bamngladesh 6/330

Sa 8/309.

Epic fail.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8039/scorecard/1144487/bangladesh-vs-south-africa-5th-match-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 06, 2019, 09:00:46 pm
Aussies 80 for 5.

v Windies...  :-[
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on June 06, 2019, 09:42:59 pm
Top order missing in England again.  Warner....meh.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 06, 2019, 10:22:30 pm
Top order missing in England again.  Warner....meh.

Some shocking shots played Prof... really, really bad.

Can only credit 1 wicket to the bowlers....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on June 06, 2019, 10:47:49 pm
 Yep,  same old sh1t.  When are these bozos going to learn?   Warner has been to England how many times? Is he ever going to make runs there?

Jimmy and Stuart will be delirious at the thought of bowling to these blokes.  
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: dodge on June 06, 2019, 10:58:53 pm
What a blinder of a catch to get rid of Smith.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 06, 2019, 11:06:01 pm
What an innings from Coulter-Nile - a no 8 nonetheless!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on June 07, 2019, 05:08:33 am
Can't wait for the highlights
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: sandsmere on June 07, 2019, 05:58:10 am
What an innings from Coulter-Nile - a no 8 nonetheless!

Yep.

Coulter-Niles batting and Starks bowling won the day.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on June 07, 2019, 07:52:30 am
 That catch was amazing but some excellent clutch catches were taken as well.

Batting at the top was putrid.... Finch out to a standard off stump moving a touch,  Warner shanking it to point,  and Khawaja backing away.... That was particularly poor.   If I was Langer I'd be putting the acid on Uman to HTFU and start batting properly.

Lot of work to do.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 07, 2019, 08:13:59 am
Knowing Langer I suspect they'll keep Khawaja and drop Maxwell.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 07, 2019, 11:10:09 am
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/fa3e95d2958aa4e54f728ffed21ab9f9?)

It's no good the West Indians complaining about this when they act unprofessionally.

India and Pakistan have already worked out with DRS it is now become the job of the non-striker to watch the bowlers front foot. If you are not watching that front foot you are giving away many wickets.

Anyone who has watched the recent India Tour of Australia knows the impact that the non-striker can have when highlighting no balls to the striker, because they can signal the striker to challenge a dismissal when they have seen the overstep.

In that above picture, the non-striker is day dreaming!

Under the way DRS works now, with voluntary reviews available, an alert non-striker can determine the winner of the World Cup!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 07, 2019, 11:20:06 am
As an aside, there is a radical change coming to cricket out of India's IPL.

The batsmen just drop their bats and run without them!

They've done a study over there relating to carrying the heavy bats preferred by players in the IPL. It has allegedly shown the time gain by not carrying the bat exceeds any the advantage lost but not having it to reach for the crease. It's not just the weight of the bat, but the change in gate when you carry something while running that has an effect.

It's not clear where this sits in the rules or how it will be governed when it starts happening, but you should see it first appear in the later overs. They will dress it up to look like an accident that the player running to the danger end drops their bat!

So;

 - The weight of the bat affects acceleration and deceleration, the gain is multiplied greatly running more than a single, 2s, 3s or 4s benefit the most.

 - Carrying the bat affects running gate.

In Women's cricket the benefit is even greater, as some of the gain is apparently proportional to the bat's weight over the player's body weight!

We shouldn't be surprised, baseball has known this for years!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on June 07, 2019, 11:39:44 am
As an aside, there is a radical change coming to cricket out of India's IPL.

The batsmen just drop their bats and run without them!



Remember doing that at school back in the day.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on June 07, 2019, 11:42:13 am
What an innings from Coulter-Nile - a no 8 nonetheless!

Bet he never thought he'd get Man of the Match for his batting!


Good fightback winning after being 4/38. Australia had the worst of the wicket. It was bouncing, swinging, seaming all over the place.


Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 07, 2019, 01:56:51 pm
That catch was amazing but some excellent clutch catches were taken as well.

Batting at the top was putrid.... Finch out to a standard off stump moving a touch,  Warner shanking it to point,  and Khawaja backing away.... That was particularly poor.   If I was Langer I'd be putting the acid on Uman to HTFU and start batting properly.

Lot of work to do.

They should have left the Finch-Usman opening combo intact. I t had been working a treat....

warner could bat at 5 or 6.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on June 08, 2019, 06:43:38 am
Dhoni and the BCCI now trying to lean on the ICC over a potentially inflammatory nationalist symbol on his gloves.

Watch the tantrum that's going to unfold here when they don't get what they want,   really childish stuff.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: JonHenry on June 08, 2019, 09:42:42 am
They should have left the Finch-Usman opening combo intact. I t had been working a treat....

warner could bat at 5 or 6.

Warner at 3 would be ideal
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on June 10, 2019, 06:57:54 pm
Virat Kohli having a go at Indian supporters for jeering Steve Smith during the overnight match was a wonderful exhibition of sportsmanship.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Mantis on June 10, 2019, 07:10:03 pm
Virat Kohli having a go at Indian supporters for jeering Steve Smith during the overnight match was a wonderful exhibition of sportsmanship.

A champion type quality you won’t find anywhere.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 10, 2019, 08:07:21 pm
Virat Kohli having a go at Indian supporters for jeering Steve Smith during the overnight match was a wonderful exhibition of sportsmanship.

You can do that when you have caned the Aus attack for 350, not sure he would be so diplomatic if he only had 150 on the board ;)
Indians will be hard to beat if they keep that form up..
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Mantis on June 10, 2019, 08:16:01 pm
You can do that when you have caned the Aus attack for 350, not sure he would be so diplomatic if he only had 150 on the board ;)
Indians will be hard to beat if they keep that form up..

What are you talking about with keeping that form Elwood?  Easily the best in the world by miles. It is hard to see them not take out the final trophy.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 10, 2019, 08:24:49 pm
What are you talking about with keeping that form Elwood?  Easily the best in the world by miles. It is hard to see them not take out the final trophy.

I reckon we laid down and played dead.

I can't see how our own form can be so variable by accident, the bowlers looked to be going 80% at best, and fielding was almost comical.

I think we've deliberately kept our foot off the pedal so we don't go too hard too early with our hand, until the finals when we only have to beat them once at the right moment!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 10, 2019, 08:39:19 pm
What are you talking about with keeping that form Elwood?  Easily the best in the world by miles. It is hard to see them not take out the final trophy.

Mants, I think England were the No 1 one day team in the world?...India are very good at all forms though.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on June 10, 2019, 09:13:34 pm
Stoinis needs to extract the digit. Hasnt been doing the job with bat or ball.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 10, 2019, 09:42:42 pm
Stoinis needs to extract the digit. Hasnt been doing the job with bat or ball.

Not even good enough to be in the squad. Bowls pies, bats like a backyard bully.

Play Marsh and Lyon - dump Stoinis and Zampa.

Open with Khawaja, Marsh at 3, Warner at 4, Smith at 5. Or Warner at 3, Marsh at 5....

Tell Coulter-Nile to start bending his back when bowling or else....no Hazelwood is a howler imo.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on June 11, 2019, 05:58:50 am
Warner is batting in a mystifying manner - blocks or fours.  And a lot of blocks.  Khawaja being demoted has hurt him as well, as he works the ball around when the fields are up, not a power hitter.  Zampa selection is divisive - wickets he gets seem to be charity offerings, doesn't threaten quality players.  Need to pick a bowler with more bite.  He isn't even the best spinner in the country.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 11, 2019, 06:27:58 am
I reckon we laid down and played dead.

I can't see how our own form can be so variable by accident, the bowlers looked to be going 80% at best, and fielding was almost comical.

I think we've deliberately kept our foot off the pedal so we don't go too hard too early with our hand, until the finals when we only have to beat them once at the right moment!

I tend to agree, Starc was bowling very low 140s....he and the others looked pedestrian at best.

The batsmen played liked it was a warm up game...maybe by design....would still bring in Lyon and Marsh....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Mantis on June 11, 2019, 06:58:36 am
Mants, I think England were the No 1 one day team in the world?...India are very good at all forms though.

My bad dude. Still can’t imagine India not going all the way. They do cover most of the bases in all forms. Maybe that is my bad when I see a country being the best at the sport. Sorry Elwood.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: sandsmere on June 11, 2019, 08:03:39 am
What are you talking about with keeping that form Elwood?  Easily the best in the world by miles. It is hard to see them not take out the final trophy.

Spot-on !!

And Kholi is a damn good captain too.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on June 11, 2019, 08:13:14 am
As long as England don't win.  Not that I think we will by the way.  India for mine.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: JonHenry on June 11, 2019, 09:13:34 am
Warner is batting in a mystifying manner - blocks or fours.  And a lot of blocks.  Khawaja being demoted has hurt him as well, as he works the ball around when the fields are up, not a power hitter.  Zampa selection is divisive - wickets he gets seem to be charity offerings, doesn't threaten quality players.  Need to pick a bowler with more bite.  He isn't even the best spinner in the country.

Warner loves a flat deck with the ball coming on.
Starc needs it to move, or her is poor
Khawaja should have stayed as opener
Lyon in for Zampa.
Coulter Nile out for Behrendorff
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: malo on June 11, 2019, 09:33:06 am
On another matter.....the gimmick that is the "zing" bails....are costing bowlers more & more wickets, but no chance of the ICC doing anything about it apparently...nothing to see here la la la.

Classic case of putting entertainment value over the values & integrity of the game.

Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 11, 2019, 10:03:46 am
Maybe the problem isn't the bails, I've seen the zinger bails close up and they are similar weight, shape and size to traditional bails.

The problem might be the light up camera stumps, they are very different to normal stumps and covered in vinyl decals which softens and contact between the stump and ball. They also have a deeper seat for the bail at the top of the stump, to prevent stumps and bails randomly flashing when it's windy or as the bowler runs past during a delivery stride.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: malo on June 11, 2019, 11:59:52 am
Maybe the problem isn't the bails, I've seen the zinger bails close up and they are similar weight, shape and size to traditional bails.

The problem might be the light up camera stumps, they are very different to normal stumps and covered in vinyl decals which softens and contact between the stump and ball. They also have a deeper seat for the bail at the top of the stump, to prevent stumps and bails randomly flashing when it's windy or as the bowler runs past during a delivery stride.

Yeah, that could definitely be an issue if that is the case, surely the depth of the groove is written into the rules of cricket !

Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 11, 2019, 12:03:26 pm
Yeah, that could definitely be an issue if that is the case, surely the depth of the groove is written into the rules of cricket !

I don't think so, the overall dimensions, height, width, gaps are set within ranges, but the grooves for the bails were not defined last time I read the rules which was a long time ago. I suppose it doesn't matter as it's the same for both teams!

Keep in mind in the old days you had both standard and heavy bails for windy conditions.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 14, 2019, 01:07:46 pm
If Trump doesn't do something quick about climate change then it seems cricket is doomed!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: sandsmere on June 14, 2019, 01:31:58 pm
Great to see Davy Warner back to his best.

The best opening batsman in the world. Bar none!!!!!

Very little booing from the Paki crowd too.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 14, 2019, 05:46:40 pm
Great to see Davy Warner back to his best.

The best opening batsman in the world. Bar none!!!!!

Very little booing from the Paki crowd too.

The Paki crowd were too busy on the phone to their Indian bookmaker backing the Aussies in.....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on June 14, 2019, 07:14:21 pm
We're gonna need everything to go right to make the final (pretty obvious) but if we don't make the semis, it's a fail.  We're riding our luck to some degree, but we live in hope.

Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: malo on June 26, 2019, 09:29:02 am
Well, made the semis in style, poms are the ones struggling now.  That bowling attack looked a whole heap more balanced last night, & that first wicket of Behrendorffs was an absolute ripper.

The middle order (well, basically everyone other than Finch & Warner) are still not pulling their weight.

Smith has to bat 3.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 26, 2019, 09:52:42 am
Well, made the semis in style, poms are the ones struggling now.  That bowling attack looked a whole heap more balanced last night, & that first wicket of Behrendorffs was an absolute ripper.

The middle order (well, basically everyone other than Finch & Warner) are still not pulling their weight.

Smith has to bat 3.

It's weird the batting - to be honest the fact that Warner and Finch are staying out there so long affects what the others do, how they play...

They should have made 330+ last night.

I the openers put on 100+, I would be going with Maxwell at 3, Smith at 4.....

And I'd be playing Marsh ahead of Stoinis.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 26, 2019, 09:53:22 am
Smith has to bat 3.

I don't agree, I write the calls for this off to old school thinking, we've won a bunch of games without great form due in part to being flexible in our approach, and the minute we get near the pointy end the oldies want the old ways. That's Langer type thinking, while I suspect the more dynamic approach is the influence of Punter.

I think left for left and right for right is the smarter approach, and anyone not opening just has to be prepared to deal with it! It's not just about the Australian batsmen, it's about opposition bowlers.

Further to that a layer of match awareness makes sense, and complaining about Smith not batting long enough is just old NSWelshmen bitching it up. To me it's the same as complaining about Khawaja being selected off the back of some big opening stands, when it's clear if we lose an early wicket he is probably the best player on the planet to have coming in! Sooner or later we won't make a 50 or 100 run opening partnership and Khawaja will be the man! On the flipside, if we make a 100 run opening stand then perhaps Khawaja and Smith drop down the order and Maxwell and even Stoinis come in ahead of Khawaja and Smith, they are less reliable but the advantage is you still have Khawaja and Smith backing up allowing them to bat freely. We've plenty of hitting power in Carey, Cummins and Starc. Maybe Carey even has to bat ahead of Smith and Khawaja, of course it all depends on conditions and pitches.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on June 26, 2019, 10:23:20 am
There's only 3 left in it now.  NZ, India and us
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on June 26, 2019, 10:54:36 am
Starc finally looks fit, you can see it his face,  looks very lean.   Been doing a lot of bowling and funnily enough looks dangerous again with the pill.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 26, 2019, 10:58:02 am
Starc finally looks fit, you can see it his face,  looks very lean.   Been doing a lot of bowling and funnily enough looks dangerous again with the pill.

And he looks interested....well, who doesn't want to splatter the (big mouthed) Poms!?
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 26, 2019, 11:49:31 am
Starc finally looks fit, you can see it his face,  looks very lean.   Been doing a lot of bowling and funnily enough looks dangerous again with the pill.

Let's see what happens on a warm no-swing day with a flat track!

But looking further ahead, I think Starc and Behrendorff present a conundrum to the Poms, because conditions that suit the Pommie bowlers are also perfect for Starc and Behrendorff!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 26, 2019, 05:42:23 pm
There's only 3 left in it now.  NZ, India and us
That makes it between us and India.....NZ's Williamson cant keep making runs and I'd back our attack to
keep him quiet. However the Indian batting is long and aggressive  and Kholi just loves playing Australia in any format
of the game. Think we can make the final but will need a bit of luck if India are the opponent..
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on June 26, 2019, 07:42:43 pm
If it's us versus India, I'd not like our chances EB
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 26, 2019, 08:40:52 pm
depends on the day. We gave them a right whooping, with a lesser team, not so long ago....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Jack Burton on June 26, 2019, 08:46:13 pm
India a big chance to be mentally fragile on the big stage
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 27, 2019, 11:23:52 am
Pakistanis were superb last night.

Haris is a star!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on June 27, 2019, 12:32:45 pm
Bottom line is if England lose both games they miss out as Bangladesh and Pakistan play each other last game. Bar a tie or a washout one has to win and they'd jump England.

Australia and India would be 50/50. India beat us here, we beat them in India, so it's tight.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 27, 2019, 12:37:43 pm
Bottom line is if England lose both games they miss out as Bangladesh and Pakistan play each other last game. Bar a tie or a washout one has to win and they'd jump England.

Australia and India would be 50/50. India beat us here, we beat them in India, so it's tight.

My Indian mates are not confident in their team, they think in the absence of an India dominated crowd(assumed unlikely for the pre-sold finals) they are a better than even chance to fold under the pressure of a final.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on June 27, 2019, 12:44:49 pm
My Indian mates are not confident in their team, they think in the absence of an India dominated crowd(assumed unlikely for the pre-sold finals) they are a better than even chance to fold under the pressure of a final.

Could do, especially if they have to chase. Chasing a decent total in a final can produce alot of pressure.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 27, 2019, 01:01:32 pm
Pakistanis were superb last night.

Haris is a star!

Bowling isnt bad either, three left arm quicks who can swing it, Riaz is very slippery......
Haris is a neat player, the Paki wicketkeeper took a one handed blinder of a catch....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on June 27, 2019, 01:07:44 pm
Bowling isnt bad either, three left arm quicks who can swing it, Riaz is very slippery......
Haris is a neat player, the Paki wicketkeeper took a one handed blinder of a catch....

And all but Amir seemingly make full use of the 15% bend rule EB!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Tragic on June 27, 2019, 01:25:59 pm
India will be tough.  They do everything very well.  Bumrush is a damn fine bowler, and there's no real weakness with the rest.  Loosing shikhar dhawan is a blow to them, otherwise i'd say they didn't have a flaw there either.  Kohli has them fielding like a professional sporting team.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 27, 2019, 01:33:38 pm
And all but Amir seemingly make full use of the 15% bend rule EB!

Bend on the field and bent off it....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 27, 2019, 02:01:31 pm
Bend on the field and bent off it....

That's just a throw away line!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 27, 2019, 02:17:16 pm
That's just a throw away line!

 :) 8)
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on June 28, 2019, 03:47:53 pm
The media talked up India's bowlers up like they were unplayable against WI, but reality is the WI were rubbish in the field and with the bat!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 28, 2019, 04:10:02 pm
The media talked up India's bowlers up like they were unplayable against WI, but reality is the WI were rubbish in the field and with the bat!

Agree...Windies batting is very all or nothing and vs India it was nothing....Bumrah did bowl well and is probably the best bowler in this format
but Shami just bowls nice and straight without much menace and plays the percentages of you miss and I hit.
The Indian batting though is very good, they have lost Dhawan which would be like us losing Warner but its hasnt really affected them much and having Dhoni at seven
gives them a player with great experience who can really tonk the ball. Windies bowled short at him and he just helped himself to runs at a crucial stage.
Where India have improved out of sight since the old days is their fielding, when I was younger they were mugs who couldnt stop a slow rolling tennis ball but these days
with all the IPL etc they dont drop much and make a lot of catches out of half chances.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on June 28, 2019, 04:36:58 pm
Reverse trajectories for WI and India.  WI are just very ordinary and how the mighty have fallen. 
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on June 30, 2019, 06:46:17 am
And farewell New Zealand.  One threat out of the way.  We're starting to look REALLY good
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on June 30, 2019, 09:19:13 am
Warner's reaction to Smith's catch is illuminating.   Internal frictions in camp,  not from what I saw.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 08, 2019, 02:50:09 pm
Will NZ upset India?

I feel when they are switched on that NZ might be just the right type of squad to cause India some grief!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 08, 2019, 03:51:44 pm
Watched the Saffies beat us and a bit of India flogging Sri Lanka the other night....dont see NZ troubling India, their batters are on fire and Bumrah
just keeps getting wickets for not many runs.
Saffies always lift when they play us so I wouldnt be too worried about that result and we are still a big chance IMO...Warner played very well along with Carey who must be putting some pressure on the selectors for England, he is our version of DeKock and also keeps wicket well.
India have to have a bad game soon and Sharma cannot keep making runs like he has so hopefully its in the finals and we either beat them or someone else does and we can play
that winner in the final.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: dodge on July 08, 2019, 04:20:18 pm
Slightly off topic, but Perry 7/22 is a reasonable effort!  Go Aussie women.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on July 09, 2019, 07:56:13 pm
And goodbye NZ.  1 for 7 after 5 overs?
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on July 09, 2019, 09:00:05 pm
I wonder that tricks Dhoni will pull this time. Like "protecting the run rate" in their recent loss... I trust that one got scrutinized.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 10, 2019, 08:33:33 am
Wash out in the NZ v India game and back again tonight  but the Indians are in charge and should get the runs easily.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 10, 2019, 08:33:56 am
I  just don't understand cricket politics getting in the way of success!

How the feck can Handscomb allegedly get the nod ahead of Wade given recent form lines?
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 10, 2019, 09:00:14 am
I  just don't understand cricket politics getting in the way of success!

How the feck can Handscomb allegedly get the nod ahead of Wade given recent form lines?

It's looking like 2 changes listening to the radio today. Handscomb and Wade in for Khawaja and Maxwell. Maxwell is way out of form.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on July 10, 2019, 09:25:25 am
Wade to play the slugger role. Handscombe to play that work the ball around role.

Removes a bowling option.   Lyon against the pommy left handers?
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2019, 10:42:19 am
It's looking like 2 changes listening to the radio today. Handscomb and Wade in for Khawaja and Maxwell. Maxwell is way out of form.

I'd play wade and Maxwell. Maxwell has been unlucky... or gone for too much, too often. But is a match winner potentially.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 10, 2019, 10:47:27 am
I'd play wade and Maxwell. Maxwell has been unlucky... or gone for too much, too often. But is a match winner potentially.

I'm a fan of Maxwell for that reason that he can turn games and win matches...Wade is a competitor and this format suits him IMO.
Handscomb is a great fielder and would be my 12th man who gets a lot of work on the field.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 10, 2019, 11:02:28 am
It's looking like 2 changes listening to the radio today. Handscomb and Wade in for Khawaja and Maxwell. Maxwell is way out of form.

Dropping Maxwell would be a massive mistake and a huge bonus for the opposition.

Maxwell can win you a match in 3 or 4 overs, and in the field he's a presence that creates batting tension and restricts runs even if he isn't involved in catching or runouts.

Dropping Maxwell is like NZ dropping McCullum, or England dropping Butler, a great relief for their opponents!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 10, 2019, 11:08:06 am
Dropping Maxwell would be a massive mistake and a huge bonus for the opposition.

Maxwell can win you a match in 3 or 4 overs, and in the field he's a presence that creates batting tension and restricts runs even if he isn't involved in catching or runouts.

Dropping Maxwell is like NZ dropping McCullum, or England dropping Butler, a great relief for their opponents!

Can't keep playing blokes who aren't making runs. Wade, on the A Tour, was making good runs and striking at over 180, albeit not against the same opposition. He's been flying for 12 months and is just as likely to win you a match as Maxwell right now. Would be perfect match for the McCullums and Butlers right now.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 10, 2019, 11:31:01 am
Can't keep playing blokes who aren't making runs. Wade, on the A Tour, was making good runs and striking at over 180, albeit not against the same opposition. He's been flying for 12 months and is just as likely to win you a match as Maxwell right now. Would be perfect match for the McCullums and Butlers right now.

Maxwell is worth 20 or 30 runs just from being in the field compared to Stoinis, Handscomb or Wade, it's a selection conundrum.

I'd expect Lyon to be an out, Stoinis did stuff all at training relative to Starc or Cummins, purely based on the vision I have seen in the rain breaks when Dots did a live cross. I think the Stoinis fitness for selection might be fake news, there is a bit of it going around at the moment.

Khawaja out Wade in makes sense, Stoinis out Handscomb in keeping Lyon in makes sense, Maxwell out doesn't. Lords with three quicks, three spinners makes sense as it's a ground at which slow bowlers can leverage the slope. Our only real problem is that Starc is a bit hit and miss, if he has a good day we basically win.

I don't think our batting has been a major problem all tournament, but when it's less than perfect it highlights our inconsistent bowling. Jasprit Bumrah puts our lot to shame!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 10, 2019, 11:40:39 am
Maxwell is worth 20 or 30 runs just from being in the field compared to Stoinis, Handscomb or Wade, it's a selection conundrum.

I'd expect Lyon to be an out, Stoinis did stuff all at training relative to Starc or Cummins, purely based on the vision I have seen in the rain breaks when Dots did a live cross. I think the Stoinis fitness for selection might be fake news, there is a bit of it going around at the moment.

Khawaja out Wade in makes sense, Stoinis out Handscomb in keeping Lyon in makes sense, Maxwell out doesn't. Lords with three quicks, three spinners makes sense as it's a ground at which slow bowlers can leverage the slope. Our only real problem is that Starc is a bit hit and miss, if he has a good day we basically win.

I don't think our batting has been a major problem all tournament, but when it's less than perfect it highlights our inconsistent bowling. Jasprit Bumrah puts our lot to shame!
We're playing England at Edgbaston, which has been a road, not Lords. Old Trafford was a road too all tournament but not last night. It was slow. So hopefully the same tomorrow night.

We not dropping Stoinis as he's the 5th bowler. Only one coming in for him is M.Marsh if he's injured.

Can't afford out of form batsmen. I'm thinking Handscomb and Wade are coming in for Maxwell and Khawaja. Maxwell is good but so unreliable and right now out of form. Likely to go out playing a dumb shot when we're in trouble.

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/australia-is-reportedly-set-to-drop-glenn-maxwell-for-the-england-semi-final-142577

Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 10, 2019, 11:46:54 am
Can't afford out of form batsmen. I'm thinking Handscomb and Wade are coming in for Maxwell and Khawaja. Maxwell is good but so unreliable and right now out of form. Likely to go out playing a dumb shot when we're in trouble.

Weren't Maxwell and Lyon our most economical bowlers against the Saffies on the last road like wicket we played on?

If I recall correctly, if Carey hadn't fumbled a stumping Maxwell would have had van der Dussen out for 7, instead he made 95 off 97 balls!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 10, 2019, 11:53:21 am
Weren't Maxwell and Lyon our most economical bowlers against the Saffies on the last road like wicket we played on?

If I recall correctly, if Carey hadn't fumbled a stumping Maxwell would have had van der Dussen out for 7, instead he made 95 off 97 balls!

Yes, but he's making bugger all runs. He's the 6th bowler. I'd prefer to keep him if his batting was going ok as his bowling is very handy, but he's not making runs.

I'm hoping the reverse jinx will come into play here...haha.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 10, 2019, 11:55:36 am
Yes, but he's making bugger all runs. He's the 6th bowler. I'd prefer to keep him if his batting was going ok as his bowling is very handy, but he's not making runs.

I'm hoping the reverse jinx will come into play here...haha.

Yet for the tournament Stoinis is ranked lower than Maxwell in both Batting and Bowling, and he's nowhere near as valuable in the field!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=12357;team=2;type=tournament

Reality versus perception!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 10, 2019, 12:03:01 pm
Yet for the tournament Stoinis is ranked lower than Maxwell in both Batting and Bowling, and he's nowhere near as valuable in the field!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=12357;team=2;type=tournament

Reality versus perception!

Both have been crap with the bat, so can't have them both in the batting line up to start with. Stonis will pop up with wickets and bowl well in the last 10 overs. We'll go with a fast bowler before Maxwell's spin. He always been a better bowler. Stonis has 7 wickets from 7 matches to Maxwell's zero. That's the winner there. That is a reality.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 10, 2019, 12:44:11 pm
Both have been crap with the bat, so can't have them both in the batting line up to start with. Stonis will pop up with wickets and bowl well in the last 10 overs. We'll go with a fast bowler before Maxwell's spin. He always been a better bowler. Stonis has 7 wickets from 7 matches to Maxwell's zero. That's the winner there. That is a reality.

The earlier posts you are discussing poor batting, yet you want to drop the guy who is going at twice the effective rate, is that consistent?

I think as a bat, bowl and field combination it's no contest, Maxwell is way ahead!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 10, 2019, 01:12:42 pm
The earlier posts you are discussing poor batting, yet you want to drop the guy who is going at twice the effective rate, is that consistent?

I think as a bat, bowl and field combination it's no contest, Maxwell is way ahead!


What are you talking about? You're the one who brought up his bowling and compared him to Stonis. Stoinis will always play ahead of Maxwell as an all rounder because of his bowling, which is superior. Maxwell is in the side mainly to bat with his bowling as a 6th option if needed. Maxwell is a better bat, and brilliant when on but is so good damn unreliable. So unreliable in fact that their ODI batting averages are Stoinis 35, Maxwell 32.44. Stoinis's bowling is better too. Any more to say?

Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 10, 2019, 01:18:47 pm
What are you talking about? You're the one who brought up his bowling and compared him to Stonis. Stoinis will always play ahead of Maxwell as an all rounder because of his bowling, which is superior. Maxwell is in the side mainly to bat with his bowling as a 6th option if needed. Maxwell is a better bat, and brilliant when on but is so good damn unreliable. So unreliable in fact that their ODI batting averages are Stoinis 35, Maxwell 32.44. Stoinis's bowling is better too. Any more to say?

Well for example;

Can't keep playing blokes who aren't making runs. Wade, on the A Tour, was making good runs and striking at over 180, albeit not against the same opposition. He's been flying for 12 months and is just as likely to win you a match as Maxwell right now. Would be perfect match for the McCullums and Butlers right now.

Compared to Maxwell that would be Stoinis, yet you want us to drop the better batsmen for someone who is also a less durable / reliable bowler and at best an average fielder.

You are not being self consistent Laj!

If Stoinis breaks down after an over or two, Maxwell is exactly the type of player we need in the side!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 10, 2019, 01:46:34 pm
Well for example;

Compared to Maxwell that would be Stoinis, yet you want us to drop the better batsmen for someone who is also a less durable / reliable bowler and at best an average fielder.

You are not being self consistent Laj!

If Stoinis breaks down after an over or two, Maxwell is exactly the type of player we need in the side!

We're talking all rounders now. You brought the talk there and i'm running with it. Who has the the better ODI average batting and bowling average? That would be Stoinis. 

I'm being very consistent picking blokes on form. Neither are making runs. So can't have them both in the top 6, but Stoinis is a better bowler and we do need to pick an all rounder for a 5th bowling option. We can't pick 5 bowlers or hope that a batsman can roll down 10 overs. Not in the finals

Maxwell has more batting talent, Stoinis more bowling talent, but that batting talent is useless if you are not performing. You know that, I know that. It's that unreliable that his ODI batting average is worse than Stoinis. Maxwell is supposed for fit into the side for his batting alone, with his bowling an added bonus, Stoinis is there as the all rounder and bonefide 5th bowler so has to play. So if Maxwell, given he is there for his batting, isn't making runs then you bring someone in who is such as Wade, who is also capable of destroying a side very quickly and has been flying for 12 months. You can only wait so long for Maxwell to display his talent.

I'm not sure what part of that is so hard to understand.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2019, 02:09:26 pm
Stoinis is a big injury risk - why take that risk and end up a player down?
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 10, 2019, 02:27:32 pm
We're talking all rounders now. You brought the talk there and i'm running with it. Who has the the better ODI average batting and bowling average? That would be Stoinis. 

I'm being very consistent picking blokes on form.

You are not being consistent at all, but you are being a bit of a Trump. Stoinis has worse form in this World Cup than Maxwell!

If Stoinis breaks down his bowling and fielding become worthless, worse than below average, it'll be like the last match were he became a traffic cone inside the circle because he couldn't throw or bowl! In the field Stoinis has a great arm, provided he isn't carrying a side strain!

Wade for Khawaja makes sense, but Handscomb in for Maxwell while keeping the injury risk out of form Stoinis doesn't! It doesn't seem to make sense no matter who we drop to allow us to retain Stoinis!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2019, 09:03:33 pm
India imploding.

4-30.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: maxm68 on July 10, 2019, 09:28:30 pm
India imploding.

4-30.


It's heartbreaking... ????????????
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2019, 10:47:32 pm
depends who you backed... ask Virat?

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on July 11, 2019, 06:25:29 am
How things can change .... brittle batting by India
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on July 11, 2019, 06:52:31 am
Beaten favorite, bookies will be happy.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 11, 2019, 12:56:54 pm
Beaten favorite, bookies will be happy.

Probably a few players from the continent as well...great effort from the Kiwis, bit surprised by Dhoni's tatcics late though, they needed to get after the bowling a lot
earlier than they did, apart from that cut for six he didnt really throw the willow much at all.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 11, 2019, 01:23:14 pm
Maxwell named.

I had thought a lot of pre-game commentary was diversionary and smoke and mirrors stuff, because the idea of dropping Maxwell to retain a injured Stoinis seemed lunacy, maybe so!

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/aussie-selection-mystery-deepens-after-maxwell-training-noshow/news-story/b6f0fc946d7a0e063d25b09a9a7c3eea

More smoke and mirrors no doubt!

Tonight's game has all the hallmarks of being a cracker!

PS, this is me gloating! ;D

Will NZ upset India?

I feel when they are switched on that NZ might be just the right type of squad to cause India some grief!

I take full credit for a 50/50!  :P
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on July 11, 2019, 02:34:33 pm
A lot of Dhoni's actions are straight out suss EB,  if an Australian did it... Imagine the tut tutting and implications of ulterior motives.   But all Indian cricketers are beyond reproach aren't they? 

Now Kohli is having a tanty about the rules.   The BCCI might think own the cricketing world, but all that coin still  can't buy the World Cup.

Very, very popular win by NZ.




Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: dodge on July 11, 2019, 04:45:22 pm
I said to the president of our house that I don't like the Indian team and really want NZ to win.  She asked why.  Basically because they play victim a lot the time (which goes back a long way) and I really don't like Dhoni (although he is a good ciricketer).

Two quick bits of praise for Kohli, though - when he asked the crowd to stop booing Warner and his immediate interview after the game.

Looking forward to tonight's game, and then we'll see about the final...
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 11, 2019, 08:16:53 pm
Dave Warner shocker, ditto Handscomb (wtf was he even picked...).

Crazy decision.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on July 11, 2019, 08:18:05 pm
Does not look good
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on July 11, 2019, 09:03:09 pm
Go kiwi's.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: JonHenry on July 11, 2019, 09:19:45 pm
Need 260
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: maxm68 on July 11, 2019, 09:55:29 pm
Stoinis... ????
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: capcom on July 11, 2019, 11:20:30 pm
We don't have a lot to protect with 224 the target
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Sexybronco on July 12, 2019, 01:01:20 am
We don't have a lot to protect with 224 the target

England 0/110, time for some sleep.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Mantis on July 12, 2019, 02:16:40 am
Australia lost with nearly 110 balls to spare. Poms could have scored 400 at that rate. Very humiliating.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Sexybronco on July 12, 2019, 07:27:50 am
Australia lost with nearly 110 balls to spare. Poms could have scored 400 at that rate. Very humiliating.
Saved our worst performance for the most important game to date, we flinched under the pressure not the poms.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: JonHenry on July 12, 2019, 07:52:47 am
Saved our worst performance for the most important game to date, we flinched under the pressure not the poms.

Too many non world class players.
A few got exposed on the big stage
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 12, 2019, 08:27:35 am
 Poms have a decent one day team, very balanced lineup.
Woakes was a mug but now is a very decent cricketer and Jason Roy
is another who has gone to the next level and seems to love playing Aus. Very disappointing result and hard to watch, hopefully we lift for
the ashes series.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on July 12, 2019, 08:32:19 am
Bloke who showed dissent shouldn't play next week.

Did well to get that far... Too many average players and too many not at peak form.   All rounders performed poorly.

Hope they pick a better side for the ashes and they give more even performances.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 12, 2019, 10:24:08 am
Dave Warner shocker, ditto Handscomb (wtf was he even picked...).

Crazy decision.

Politics getting in the way of sporting success! ;)

It's an ODI, the bulk of games are decided by the coin toss!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 12, 2019, 10:36:33 am
Bloke who showed dissent shouldn't play next week.

Did well to get that far... Too many average players and too many not at peak form.   All rounders performed poorly.

Hope they pick a better side for the ashes and they give more even performances.

Ashes will be a different side. Batting will be quite a bit different and Pattinson will be a huge boost to the bowling line-up

Warner
Khawaja
Patterson
Smith
Head
Wade
Paine
Pattinson
Cummins
Starc/Hazelwood
Lyon

Might not be the actual Test line but you get the idea.

Throughout the World Cup too much was left to too few. Finch and Warner were brilliant throughout the series but once they failed the batting was too brittle to cover for them. Smith had a solid series, up and down a bit much but a great knock last night. Carey was terrific but Stoinis and Maxwell were non-existent in the top 6 and that really hurt, where as in 2015 Maxwell was outstanding and as an all rounder we had Faulkner, way better than Stoinis. Maxwell's issue is that he is far too unreliable and can play dumb shots at the wrong time. Might have been better dropping Stoinis out of the squad when he got injured and played Mitch Marsh as he was awful.

Bowling-wise, Starc did very well although certainly short of his 2015 form, an indication of how good he was 4 years ago. Cummins was great when he had the new ball but once Berendorf came in, he was relegated to first change and was no-where near as effective. Lyon is our best ODI spinner but he is far, far better under Test conditions. Again in 2015 we had Starc, who was unstoppable, Johnson and Faulkner with help from Hazelwood/Cummins.

In the end I was rapt we won the toss and batted but hindsight showed that was wrong. The pitch was really tough to bat on early but by the afternoon had settled and was easy to bat on. Fielding, for one of the rare times this series, would've been alot better.

We didn't have a great side and in the end probably did well to make the semis and lead the ladder for 8 of the 9 rounds.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 12, 2019, 10:42:01 am
Mistake playing Stoinis after his first injury....he was a waste of space during the tournament.

An extra batter (Wade) would have been mega beneficial.

Maxwell disappointing but things were already gone by the time he came in....

Kudos to Carey for his ticker, but very, very poor shots by him, Warner, Handscomb (same old, same old poor technique), Stoinis and Maxwell.

Can't win doing that at this level.

Roy should be banned from the final. Hopefully the BCCI will do it.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 12, 2019, 10:46:43 am
Kudos to Carey for his ticker, but very, very poor shots by him, Warner, Handscomb (same old, same old poor technique), Stoinis and Maxwell.

I think that under plays the England bowling.

You see our batsmen failing and blame the batsmen, some I agree but I also see good UK bowling, and where the UK batsmen succeed I clearly see our bowlers unable to leverage the sticky wicket!

But why are we shocked, our bowling has been erratic for years now, they live off a good or great match winning performance once every two or three games! That inconsistency is the reason our international rankings have plummeted!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 12, 2019, 11:11:31 am
I think that under plays the England bowling.

You see our batsmen failing and blame the batsmen, some I agree but I also see good UK bowling, and where the UK batsmen succeed I clearly see our bowlers unable to leverage the sticky wicket!

But why are we shocked, our bowling has been erratic for years now, they live off a good or great match winning performance once every two or three games!

Their bowlers lines and length were terrific last night, especially on a very helpful pitch early on. Their opening bowlers went for bugger all and took wickets.

Wish we had lost the toss in hindsight the way it all went. My joy at winning the toss and batting batting was obviously misplaced. They would've batted on the dodgy track when it was bouncing, often at different heights too, seaming etc, and we would've batted on the road once it settled.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 12, 2019, 11:13:01 am
I think that under plays the England bowling.

You see our batsmen failing and blame the batsmen, some I agree but I also see good UK bowling, and where the UK batsmen succeed I clearly see our bowlers unable to leverage the sticky wicket!

But why are we shocked, our bowling has been erratic for years now, they live off a good or great match winning performance once every two or three games!

To a degree, but when 5 of your top 6 give that drivel, it's systemic imo.

Like CFC, you give yourself no chance when you pick your team poorly.

Handscomb's form was ordinary next to Wade's? Bad selection. His technique is nothing but a liability against good bowling. The gap between bat and pad when he played on was monstrous!

Stoinis - on the margin injury wise and zero form in the tournament - bad selection.

Agree the bowlers have been hit & miss. Cummins went right off.

English bowlers - they did their job, as they should. Good line and length, bit of movement early....

Did we win the toss and choose to bat? Perhaps another bad decision....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 12, 2019, 11:15:06 am
Wish we had lost the toss in hindsight the way it all went.

Yes, as I mentioned most ODI's are decided by the toss, and winning the toss doesn't mean winning the game.

Have a look at India / NZ, I'm glad NZ won (Psst, don't tell anyone!)but India were robbed, the two sides batted in completely different conditions.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 12, 2019, 11:21:00 am
Yes, as I mentioned most ODI's are decided by the toss, and winning the toss doesn't mean winning the game.

Have a look at India / NZ, I'm glad NZ won (Psst, don't tell anyone!)but India were robbed, the two sides batted in completely different conditions.

As was last night really any different - re different conditions?
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 12, 2019, 11:21:25 am
To a degree, but when 5 of your top 6 give that drivel, it's systemic imo.

Warner and Maxwell copped good deliveries from bowlers who took full advantage of the conditions.

What I don't get is how our bowlers, coaches and tacticians can bat through and watch what happens then come out and ignore the conditions!

Like CFC, you give yourself no chance when you pick your team poorly.

Handscomb's form was ordinary next to Wade's? Bad selection. His technique is nothing but a liability against good bowling. The gap between bat and pad when he played on was monstrous!

Stoinis - on the margin injury wise and zero form in the tournament - bad selection.

Agree the bowlers have been hit & miss. Cummins went right off.

English bowlers - they did their job, as they should. Good line and length, bit of movement early....

I agree about selection, but of course selection contributes nothing to the on field performances of those that get the nod. As I said I think politics come into it, I hear Wade is not well liked by the squad and coaches.

In my opinion, as with CFC, choosing, drafting or recruiting your mates remains the most unprofessional aspect of professional sport!

Did we win the toss and choose to bat? Perhaps another bad decision....

The decision is neither good or bad, it's just a decision that is a coin toss, that's the reality of ODI.

Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 12, 2019, 11:23:33 am
As was last night really any different - re different conditions?

Not at all, the problem as I see it was primarily the bowlers though not our batsmen.

The basics are missing. They can't manage the seam, they release pressure by bowling too many loose deliveries, and often not bowling to their field. It makes the outcome of games chaotic and unmanageable.

Some of the problems are without doubt coaching related, but like Carlton there is no simple fix, the problem isn't just the coach it's much bigger!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 12, 2019, 11:25:08 am
Re Maxwell, it is normally his mantra - if you are going to go at a ball, go hard at it!

It wasn't that great a ball....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 12, 2019, 11:26:55 am
Re Maxwell, it is normally his mantra - if you are going to go at a ball, go hard at it!

It wasn't that great a ball....

It clearly stuck in the wicket, regardless of the use of the knuckle ball they shouldn't jump like that, how it pans out is another coin toss scenario. Cummins got another one a few deliveries later and he was just lucky to survive, Smith got several which he just clean missed. Roy gets one from Starc it hits him in the guts and he bats on.

btw., I'm not complaining, I don't want cricket played on roads!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 12, 2019, 11:28:36 am
Yes, as I mentioned most ODI's are decided by the toss, and winning the toss doesn't mean winning the game.

Have a look at India / NZ, I'm glad NZ won (Psst, don't tell anyone!)but India were robbed, the two sides batted in completely different conditions.

Yes! We batted under different conditions over the same day but that was our doing. Poms said they would've batted too. We may have lynched Finch at the time if he bowled but hindsight said it would've been the right decision. Poms would've had a much harder time batting first and us an easy time batting second. Difference was it was our own doing but that's the game.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: laj on July 12, 2019, 11:32:37 am
To a degree, but when 5 of your top 6 give that drivel, it's systemic imo.

Like CFC, you give yourself no chance when you pick your team poorly.

Handscomb's form was ordinary next to Wade's? Bad selection. His technique is nothing but a liability against good bowling. The gap between bat and pad when he played on was monstrous!

Stoinis - on the margin injury wise and zero form in the tournament - bad selection.

Agree the bowlers have been hit & miss. Cummins went right off.

English bowlers - they did their job, as they should. Good line and length, bit of movement early....

Did we win the toss and choose to bat? Perhaps another bad decision....

Cummins bowled well earlier in the Tournament when he had the new ball but once relegated to 1st change he struggled. Funnily enough, Starc bowled much better this tournament with the older ball and reverse swing than he did with the new ball. We went for bit with the new ball but was near unplayable with the older one.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 12, 2019, 11:34:47 am
I do think one issue needs to be addressed, the issue of "Umpire's Call".

I don't have the answer, but at the moment the implementation of that rule is deciding games. It's had the counter-intuitive effect of amplifying the umpires subjectivity.

Like AFL goal reviews, it's another example of a technology that isn't quite right, and it's changed the sport due to external pressures from media and gambling.

But I admit I am biased, I don't like any rules that cannot be implemented at lower levels of the sport, I want all players at all levels playing to the same set of conditions. Otherwise, just like AFL is to suburban football, International cricket quickly becomes a different sport to domestic cricket. I primarily blame gambling, it's the root driver of the big money and things like the IPL!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: JonHenry on July 15, 2019, 05:30:29 am
Farcical finish
Match tied after a super over.
England awarded the WC due to hitting more boundaries.
Bizarre
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 15, 2019, 07:22:56 am
Yes, simply a silly way to decide a championship.l

Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on July 15, 2019, 07:59:49 am
NZ  lost fewer wickets in their fifty overs.  Agreed, farcical.
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 15, 2019, 08:12:42 am
The Kiwi's have a right to feel robbed today.

Not only the stats point to them bettering England, they also had the rub of the green go against them on those stupid "Umpire's Call" decisions!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 15, 2019, 01:50:45 pm
https://www.espn.com.au/cricket/story/_/id/27191816/should-england-got-five-not-six-overthrows
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: bratblue on July 15, 2019, 04:11:49 pm
Yes, simply a silly way to decide a championship.l

Penalty shoot out anyone?
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 15, 2019, 04:13:23 pm
a vodka skolling race!
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: JonHenry on July 24, 2019, 09:40:35 pm
Poms 7/58 v Ireland
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Jack Burton on July 24, 2019, 09:46:51 pm
wow
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: JonHenry on July 24, 2019, 09:57:08 pm
9/68
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: JonHenry on July 24, 2019, 10:11:49 pm
All out before lunch for 85 after winning the toss
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: LP on July 25, 2019, 08:29:23 am
I suppose we should start an Ashes thread.

What was the pitch like last night, corrugated iron?
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: flyboy77 on July 25, 2019, 09:32:18 am
Irish made 200 odd, can't be that bad....
Title: Re: World Cup - 2019
Post by: Professer E on July 25, 2019, 10:38:54 am
As  soon as bowlers put it in the right spot batsmen nicked off or trapped LB by the one going the other way.  Utterly inept batting against solid county-style bowling, of which the Poms were deadest rubbish for a session, hence 120 behind.  Soon as they sorted out the line and length Ireland got skittled.

This Stone kid is rapid.  Erratic but rapid.