Please use this thread to comment, vent or otherwise express your humble opinions after the game on Thursday. For those who don't know, we close the In Game thread soon after the game, to adjourn here to prognosticate.
Winners are grinners ;D
Winners are grinners ;D
And I hope it is us. I so want to put this mob in their place. But that is another tale. I'll adjourn until tomorrow. :)
I knew that was gonna happen...!!
Had enough of Everitt. Scared of his own shadow.
Farggum umpire just killed the game. screwin deadcrap loser maggot.
Everitt is a soft c#ck.
Had enough of Everitt. Scared of his own shadow.
A poonce in the true sense of the word.
Wow Kerridge that does hurt.
Key difference has been they have taken there opportunities and we haven't and that has caused kept them even at time when we should have created a break
Ran out of gas.
Dusty beat us by himself, with 21 passengers hanging from him.
Ran out of gas.
Dusty beat us by himself, with 21 passengers hanging from him.
Nah, just a bad 10 min patch where Murph and Cripps had 2 posis btw them.
We can be proud of the effort , there was s a future, needs a little tinkering still. But a change from last year no doubt
I was expecting a 6 goal loss, so I'll take that.
Cas must learn to kick straighter.
richmond aren't top 8
richmond aren't top 8
Premier Ship Contenders...lol
We had close to our best on the park , they were missing plenty , so good effort. But let's remember it's the first round just getting to gel
Great effort. Not many passengers. Should've won with better composure.
Kerridge, 2 costly errors, and Casboult hurt us in the last qtr. Casboult could've had a really good game, plenty of it, plenty of marks but 0.2 from 3 shots will always hurt in a close game and makes his performance go from very good to ordinary. Kerridge had a huge chance early in the last and had a shocker of a kick. He and Casboult kicks those and we win.
Once again, poor disposal by foot has hurt us. 60 inside 50s usually wins the game.
2 x 50m penalty goals hurt.
Scoreline flattered Richmond who have massive holes in that team. Carlton by far the better team on the night. Would kill for a gun forward.
We can be proud of the effort , there was s a future, needs a little tinkering still. But a change from last year no doubt
Agree, polish up some of the rubbish and we will be difficult to play against. Some of the run, carry and line break was bloody good to watch.
We had close to our best on the park , they were missing plenty , so good effort. But let's remember it's the first round just getting to gel
A couple of outs could make a difference. Jaksch had a good one in the twos and we need him forward to help Casboult. Plowman could help too.
Agree, polish up some of the rubbish and we will be difficult to play against. Some of the run, carry and line break was bloody good to watch.
Winding back the clock to 2011.
Great effort. Not many passengers. Should've won with better composure.
Kerridge, 2 costly errors, and Casboult hurt us in the last qtr. Casboult could've had a really good game, plenty of it, plenty of marks but 0.2 from 3 shots will always hurt in a close game and makes his performance go from very good to ordinary. Kerridge had a huge chance early in the last and had a shocker of a kick. He and Casboult kicks those and we win.
I'd even go as far back as those two dumbass 50m penalties given away by Gibbs and Rowe, we could have gone in five goals up at quarter time.
Ran out of gas.
Dusty beat us by himself, with 21 passengers hanging from him.
Thought Lloyd and Lambert hurt us badly in the last quarter...didnt man them up..
2 x 50m penalty goals hurt.
Scoreline flattered Richmond who have massive holes in that team. Carlton by far the better team on the night. Would kill for a gun forward.
Just one that can kick straight will do me. If it wasnt for Martin and Lloyd who chipped in at the right time, we would have won easy IMO.
Buckley, Everitt and White struggled quite a bit there.
Pressure coming from the seconds?
Just one that can kick straight will do me. If it wasnt for Martin and Lloyd who chipped in at the right time, we would have won easy IMO.
Yes yes and yes.
Nah, just a bad 10 min patch where Murph and Cripps had 2 posis btw them.
Spot on. If we had another 5mins we would have won
Buckley, Everitt and White struggled quite a bit there.
Pressure coming from the seconds?
Buckley was particulaly quiet, what were his stats?
Nothing to be ashamed of tonight, we were expected to get belted yet we gave them a horrible fright for most of the night.
Read tomorrow's papers, they will be lauding us not them.
I'd even go as far back as those two dumbass 50m penalties given away by Gibbs and Rowe, we could have gone in five goals up at quarter time.
That too!
The commentators were particularly over the top with their awestruck responses to Martin's "strength". Why wasn't I surprised when they ignored Kreuzer burying him into the turf in the last quarter?
Martin's ability to shrug tackle after tackle, swerve, side step and set up play is uncanny.
Buckley, Everitt and White struggled quite a bit there.
Pressure coming from the seconds?
Didn't find Everitt too bad. Kicked a couple and does kick straight, a rarity here. Kicked 31 last year. That dropped mark hurt though. Alot hurt that cost us.
Thomas may come in for Buckley although the latter might've just had a bad game too so we don't want to be too hasty. Jaksch in for White and go forward to help Casboult.
Buckley was particulaly quiet, what were his stats?
3Disp 3Marks 3Tackles for Dylan
Have to be happy with what we saw. Looked great. So good to see.
Not too many pats on the back though as we should've won. Kicking and composure.
Too many pats on the back after an honourable loss usually leads to a loss the next week too.
They couldn't move in the last five minutes. There were moments when the game was being played in slow motion. And Richmond's older, tougher bodies won out.
Thought our five newbies played well. Wright kicked three goals and while he dropped in and out of the game, I'll take three goals from him anyday.
Phillips rucked very well and did more around the ground in 100 minutes than Warnock did in however many years he was at the club.
Lamb put on great forward pressure even if he didn't get much of the ball.
Weitering was fantastic. Lost his man a couple of times, but was so composed and assured down back.
Kerridge faded in the last quarter. Got plenty of hard ball, and had some great moments, but his kicking wasn't great. Still liked his hard nut play.
Murphy, Simo and Cripps were magnificent. Yes Murph and Cripps struggled in the last, but one is in his third year and the other was under prepared. I adore Cripps.
Everett dropping that mark and Bolt's easy miss were the killers in the end.
The commentators were particularly over the top with their awestruck responses to Martin's "strength".
So were our players judging by the number of tackles he busted.
That was the most disappointing loss I can remember for four or five years, the game was there for the taking but we just didn't have the ability.
Buckley, Everitt and White need a holiday, I don't know what we've got available but we can't afford passengers with our skill level.
If Casboult can't start kicking straight in short order he can join them.
Didn't find Everitt too bad. Kicked a couple and does kick straight, a rarity here. Kicked 31 last year. That dropped mark hurt though. Alot hurt that cost us.
Thomas may come in for Buckley although the latter might've just had a bad game too so we don't want to be too hasty. Jaksch in for White and go forward to help Casboult.
Buckley put a huge amount of defensive pressure on. The processions and goals will come. I will be surprised if he is dropped.
I yelled more expletives tonight than I usually do in a year. Casboult's set shots are slowly killing me. I love the guy, but.......................
Anyway great effort from the boys, an enjoyable game to watch almost completely pain free (Casboult excluded).
We have an absolute gem in Weitering. Already our best defender lol.
Cripps is completely unplayable. Look away handballs are sublime. Peripheral vision unparalleled. Just a skilful beast in every sense of the word.
Murphy looked to thrive on the contest. Some brilliant football. When he tired we stopped.
So were our players judging by the number of tackles he busted.
That was the most disappointing loss I can remember for four or five years, the game was there for the taking but we just didn't have the ability.
Buckley, Everitt and White need a holiday, I don't know what we've got available but we can't afford passengers with our skill level.
If Casboult can't start kicking straight in short order he can join them.
Agree on White. Buckley did the right things off the ball, defensively. And Everitt, when he's switched on, is our only forward who can kick in a straight line. That dropped mark was awful, but I'm not sure we can afford to drop him.
Close game , gripping to the the end , still had hope until about 2 mins from full time. Much better all round than anything last year.
We also had players out, juddy would have been useful in the last 10 mins
Anyway great effort from the boys, an enjoyable game to watch almost completely pain free (Casboult excluded).
We have an absolute gem in Weitering. Already our best defender lol.
Cripps is completely unplayable. Look away handballs are sublime. Peripheral vision unparalleled. Just a skilful beast in every sense of the word.
Murphy looked to thrive on the contest. Some brilliant football. When he tired we stopped.
I agree with all this Chris. Hard to believe it was Weitering's first senior game.
Buckley looked a bit lost out there... hasn't played too many games up forward.
Everett still kicked 2... We need guys who can kick goals.
Murphy and Cripps both faded, also think Murphy got a knock on his shoulder in the 3rd qtr.
Too many pats on the back after an honourable loss usually leads to a loss the next week too.
Yep
Hopefully the coaching group are on top of that.
Levi's kicking was as bad as ever tonight...it was back to scratch again.
We need a player running either side of him whenever he marks to take the kick. ::)
If Weitering's that composed in his first game he'll be something special in his 100th ;)
If they play like that all year I'll be one happy supporter.
There were moments when we looked like Hawthorn. Especially that passage of play when Everitt ended up dropping the mark. The precision kicks opened Richmond up.
Gibbsy busy as well
Someone please explain to me how Rance can be allowed to hold onto the ball for several seconds then scribble it out across the ground while other players get pinged for holding the ball instantly or incorrect disposal?
Rance gets away with slow disposals in tackles time after time after time, he is allowed seconds more than other players in the competition.
Rance was very good for them tonight but for some reason, we refused to tackle him which made his job a little easier.
And the same went for Martin, one good bear-hug on the little mug may have slowed him down a little. As it was, he had way too much influence when they really needed it.
Someone please explain to me how Rance can be allowed to hold onto the ball for several seconds then scribble it out across the ground while other players get pinged for holding the ball instantly or incorrect disposal?
Rance gets away with slow disposals in tackles time after time after time, he is allowed seconds more than other players in the competition.
In regards to the result, it wasn't the newbies that let us down, it was the same old same olds! Everitt, Buckley, Casboult, Jamison, Simpson Most hand plenty of the ball but made far too many feck-ups with it!
In this new game plan, the blokes who ball watch and fail to leave their opponent to help stand out like dog's balls!
I have no idea what Buckley was thinking tonight, he spent more time fecking up his team-mates than the opposition!
Two goals from silly 50m penalties plus two shocking misses from Casboult and there's the game right there.
Simon White is going to test my patience if that is what he is going to dish up all year.
Haven't been this gutted since the West coast semi.
I hope Bolton goes in there and tells them they aren't good enough.
But gee we were good.
Everitt was very poor for the majority of the night, when he dropped that sitter on the overlap in the last I nearly threw my computer at the TV screen. It was just too costly for us in the context of the match and to make it worse, it was a goddam chest mark.
Buckley chased hard but any decent athlete could do that, he and Everitt had very little impact even though Everitt kicked a couple.
The less said about White the better, he's just not an AFL standard footballer but maybe he's as good as any we've got in the VFL.
Casboult averages about one goal and under 10 possessions a game, nowhere near good enough for a 26 year old key forward but like White he's probably as good as we've got.
I can't understand people happy about tonight, I'm gutted.
Perhaps you're gutted because :
a. it's the first game of the season, and therefore a lot of emotion etc.
b. we got so close - if it was a 10 goal thumping, maybe you'd be feeling "normal".
Maybe.
Casboult, Jamison, Rowe & White will be persisted with this season because we don't have anyone else to replace them right now but seriously, they are all on borrowed time.
We will never ever be anything of substance with those guys in the team, they are either past it or have never been up to it.
Rance was very good for them tonight but for some reason, we refused to tackle him which made his job a little easier.
And the same went for Martin, one good bear-hug on the little mug may have slowed him down a little. As it was, he had way too much influence when they really needed it.
Some players avoided tackling Martin....that last effort when he won the ball in a contested situation and just strolled way on his left foot was pathetic...
Two goals from silly 50m penalties plus two shocking misses from Casboult and there's the game right there.
Simon White is going to test my patience if that is what he is going to dish up all year.
After seeing Byrne tear the Tiggers a new one off half back today for the NBs he'd have to replace White.
Don't care that Everitt kicked goals... way too soft with a very limited repertoire...
Our ruckmen kicked 2 between them but nothing from Levi... oh for a tall forward who can mark and kick well.
We cannot possibly be happy with this loss... it's a game that was there for us too win and we should have. Just look at how many more inside 50s we had!!!!
After seeing Byrne tear the Tiggers a new one off half back today for the NBs he'd have to replace White.
Don't care that Everitt kicked goals... way too soft with a very limited repertoire...
Our ruckmen kicked 2 between them but nothing from Levi... oh for a tall forward who can mark and kick well.
We cannot possibly be happy with this loss... it's a game that was there for us too win and we should have. Just look at how many more inside 50s we had!!!!
Agree ..I was disappointed because the Tigers are crap and we should have won...blown opportunities and dumb errors, we were the better team but they stole it and on the back of a couple of lesser lights like Lambert and Lloyd...
More disappointing than honorable tonight IMO....if the Tigers make the eight I will be surprised....
After seeing Byrne tear the Tiggers a new one off half back today for the NBs he'd have to replace White.
Don't care that Everitt kicked goals... way too soft with a very limited repertoire...
Our ruckmen kicked 2 between them but nothing from Levi... oh for a tall forward who can mark and kick well.
We cannot possibly be happy with this loss... it's a game that was there for us too win and we should have. Just look at how many more inside 50s we had!!!!
Last years 31 goals from Everitt tells me he can stay. Started with a couple tonight too. Wasn't brilliant but always hits the scoreboard. That's precious right now.
Very happy with alot of aspects but not too many pats on the back either as we should've won. Aall it is is something to build off.
Jamo cost us quite a few goals tonight by a combination of being crapscared and not watching the ball, getting run-down and generally melting down.
What I wouldn't give for a young full-back.
To hell with Everitt. He does stuff that hurts our team. Destructive player. Think of Mumford at GWS - when he plays those around him play better. Everitt is the exact polar opposite to Mumford. Sucks the life out of his teammates.
Kerridge did a few things that really hurt also but he gets a lot more credit because he runs his guts out. Everitt sits out waiting for easy kicks. Boot him. Boot his butt til his nose bleeds. Putrid player.
Casboult's kicking went completely backwards tonight. Get Sav back down there... disappointing but geez what a valuable player. We don't have any backup so if he gets injured we're stuffed.
Jamo cost us quite a few goals tonight by a combination of being crapscared and not watching the ball, getting run-down and generally melting down.
Dont feckin start me on this, Rowe, Jamo and 2E do this week in week out.
Dylan Buckley is a spud.
Agree ..I was disappointed because the Tigers are crap and we should have won...blown opportunities and dumb errors, we were the better team but they stole it and on the back of a couple of lesser lights like Lambert and Lloyd...
More disappointing than honorable tonight IMO....if the Tigers make the eight I will be surprised....
We always say that about the Tigers but they still finish top 6. Result was pretty good given that but at the same time we stuffed it up.
Disappointed as we really should of won in the end but we finally have a platform to build off. Dumb errors, missed shots hurt but on the bright side we haven't seen this effort from Carlton since 2013. Alot of positives, alot of frustration.
Dylan Buckley is a spud.
Harsh.
Tonight showed as a forward he makes a pretty good half-back - but still provided a lot of pressure / run. Just couldn't impact when we had the ball.
We are too small anyhow... need to bring in a Jaksch for a small like Buckley.
Dont feckin start me on this, Rowe, Jamo and 2E do this week in week out.
Started with Thornton - he spread it to Jamo who spread it to Rowe and 2e.
Need to quarantine Weitering.
Everitt clearly has his faults, but when he's having a set shot, I uncurl my toes and relax.............
Cas, on the other hand............
Reckon the players would prefer their hard work get rewarded from Dainty Eveiritt rather than seeing it go to waste with Cas.
If I were playing, I know who I'd prefer on the end having a shot.
We probably had 4 or 5 of the 6 best players on the ground and lost, mostly due to clangers.
Until our club gets serious about ball use efficiency we won't win regularly.
Casboult needs to be kept at CHF, make him have shots from 50 not 25.
Perhaps you're gutted because :
a. it's the first game of the season, and therefore a lot of emotion etc.
b. we got so close - if it was a 10 goal thumping, maybe you'd be feeling "normal".
Maybe.
Or that style,gameplay and effort is the best we have see from carlton for 17 years and really should have won against all odds..
We always say that about the Tigers but they still finish top 6. Result was pretty good given that but at the same time we stuffed it up.
Disappointed as we really should of won in the end but we finally have a platform to build off. Dumb errors, missed shots hurt but on the bright side we haven't seen this effort from Carlton since 2013. Alot of positives, alot of frustration.
Agree. Tiges aren't great, but they were more efficient tonight, played smarter and got the job done when it mattered. You can't win week after week if you don't get reward for effort. Too many missed shots on goal will kill any team
Or that style,gameplay and effort is the best we have see from carlton for 17 years and really should have won against all odds..
Well, I saw better in 2011, but that's my standard response these days...............
Nup Ratts never had them like that.
Well, I saw better in 2011, but that's my standard response these days...............
We had a much better side then too.
Agree. Tiges aren't great, but they were more efficient tonight, played smarter and got the job done when it mattered. You can't win week after week if you don't get reward for effort. Too many missed shots on goal will kill any team
Couple of times we went back to the old bombing the ball forward ways.
Too many times our players got pegged carrying the ball, that is a sign we still aren't talking enough.
Nup Ratts never had them like that.
Shadesy, quit fooling around.
It is not an Everitt vs Cas discussion though who have different roles.
Cas played such a great game but hoping he just had a bad day at the office with his kicking which came good last year. Calling for him to be dropped is so naive though as Cas was the key link in the chain to transition the ball from defense to forward which is one of the most important aspects of the game with pressing / flooding / zones / etc.
Everitt is weak. Gets pushed around. Limp efforts. Can't tackle. The number 2 in the G column doesn't cover all sins.
Shadesy, quit fooling around.
I hope you are being funny. Ratts problem was they attacked but never pressured, zoned and worked for each other like the did tonight. We have Judd, Waite and Betts tonight and we win by 5 goals.
Bring in SOS jr. for Everitt.
Byrne for White.
We probably had 4 or 5 of the 6 best players on the ground and lost, mostly due to clangers.
Until our club gets serious about ball use efficiency we won't win regularly.
Casboult needs to be kept at CHF, make him have shots from 50 not 25.
Probably right there on all counts. More about getting better rather than serious about ball use efficiency but being pedantic.
Couple of times we went back to the old bombing the ball forward ways.
Too many times our players got pegged carrying the ball, that is a sign we still aren't talking enough.
Agreed.
So often you look at what the forwards are doing though and they aren't making position. Standing behind your opposition makes your teammate try to bomb it over the top.
Everitt clearly has his faults, but when he's having a set shot, I uncurl my toes and relax.............
Cas, on the other hand............
Reckon the players would prefer their hard work get rewarded from Dainty Eveiritt rather than seeing it go to waste with Cas.
If I were playing, I know who I'd prefer on the end having a shot.
Someone said that Everitt sucks the life out of the team but Casboult must run him a close second.
That ball from Boekhurst to him tonight was poetry, but you just knew that he wouldn't kick it and that goal would have given us a nice break and made it very tough for Richmond.
Key forwards just have to kick those goals more often than not, and Levi never will.
I honestly expected this place to be buzzing tonight. That was the first step of a long journey and we are far ahead of where anyone thought we would be.
Cripps and Weitering are two top 10 players of he future and we have plenty to like.
Our list had been gutted by those previous and we lack forward and polish.
That was the best game Casboult has played in his career, Pity he can't kick.
It is not an Everitt vs Cas discussion though who have different roles.
Cas played such a great game but hoping he just had a bad day at the office with his kicking which came good last year. Calling for him to be dropped is so naive though as Cas was the key link in the chain to transition the ball from defense to forward which is one of the most important aspects of the game with pressing / flooding / zones / etc.
Everitt is weak. Gets pushed around. Limp efforts. Can't tackle. The number 2 in the G column doesn't cover all sins.
Well, I'm not calling for Cas to be dropped. I'm also hoping he had an off night, but I doubt it. What I think he needs is drastic emergency surgery to make him a more reliable and accurate kick for goal. There is simply no point in kicking it to him if he can't goal.
And I agree on Everitt. He has his faults, but goals count for a lot. As I said, if I were a CFC player I'd be more inclined to bust a boiler getting the ball into his hands for a shot on goal rather than Cas.
Someone said that Everitt sucks the life out of the team but Casboult must run him a close second.
That ball from Boekhurst to him tonight was poetry, but you just knew that he wouldn't kick it and that goal would have given us a nice break and made it very tough for Richmond.
Key forwards just have to kick those goals more often than not, and Levi never will.
The difference being without Casboult we're kicking long to absolutely NOTHING.
He also must have been the key link in 10+ transitions out of defense. He earns credits. Everitt is a cancer.
Someone said that Everitt sucks the life out of the team but Casboult must run him a close second.
That ball from Boekhurst to him tonight was poetry, but you just knew that he wouldn't kick it and that goal would have given us a nice break and made it very tough for Richmond.
Key forwards just have to kick those goals more often than not, and Levi never will.
In fairness to Casboult, Jack Reiwoldt will often misses from 20m out directly in front. Riewoldt will slot them from the pocket, Casboult dobs them from 50 better than he kicks from 20m.
Casboult looked and moved like a CHF tonight, he is 300% more mobile than last season. Got his marking Mojo back as well, that will build confidence and the kicking will improve. Hopefully we can make sure the others stop taking defenders to his marking contests.
I hope you are being funny. Ratts problem was they attacked but never pressured, zoned and worked for each other like the did tonight. We have Judd, Waite and Betts tonight and we win by 5 goals.
It's not game plan that I was referring to. It's effort, passion, desire and skill. Yes, Ratts did employ a run/stun type style, but those qualities I refer to were all there during his time, especially at our peak in 2011.
The difference being without Casboult we're kicking long to absolutely NOTHING.
He also must have been the key link in 10+ transitions out of defense. He earns credits. Everitt is a cancer.
Casboult is the best we've got but while that remains the case we won't be playing finals.
Do any Carlton supporters honestly believe he'd get a game in a top four team?
I honestly expected this place to be buzzing tonight. That was the first step of a long journey and we are far ahead of where anyone thought we would be.
Cripps and Weitering are two top 10 players of he future and we have plenty to like.
Our list had been gutted by those previous and we lack forward and polish.
That was the best game Casboult has played in his career, Pity he can't kick.
Cripps and Murphy will be be much better for the run. Cripps is just awesome. The player who can have 2 tagging him but still get the clearance.
Casboult is the best we've got but while that remains the case we won't be playing finals.
Do any Carlton supporters honestly believe he'd get a game in a top four team?
A top 4 team would get his kicking sorted once and for all, and he'd be a great addition.
Casboult is the best we've got but while that remains the case we won't be playing finals.
Do any Carlton supporters honestly believe he'd get a game in a top four team?
On tonight's performance ABSOLUTELY.
You can't judge a game only on shots at goal.
Casboult is the best we've got but while that remains the case we won't be playing finals.
Do any Carlton supporters honestly believe he'd get a game in a top four team?
Yes. With the possible exception of Sydney, he'd be a walk up start in any team.
Cripps and Murphy will be be much better for the run. Cripps is just awesome. The player who can have 2 tagging him but still get the clearance.
At one point in the 1st or 2nd he was wresting with 4 Richmond players at once - took no crap, no backward steps, ended up with a ripped jersey. Oh, and did I mention his ball usage ?
He is just awesome.
Buckley was poor offensively tonight but only a fool would write him off on one game.
Casboult is the best we've got but while that remains the case we won't be playing finals.
Do any Carlton supporters honestly believe he'd get a game in a top four team?
Freo wanted him Bad in the offseason. Would be lining up FF on Saturday for them.
Probably for the Hawks too
I enjoyed the game. Tonight's game was a lot more exciting than a lot of the footy last year. The ball was moving a lot more and congestion wasn't such an issue.
Weitering is obviously going to be a star. Amazing composure for a 1st gamer. Great to see Kreuzer back to his best. Hope his foot problems are a thing of the past, touch wood. Our centresquare mids are as good as any. How good can Cripps get? Kerridge has proved that the trade for Menzel will end up in our favour. Boekhurst is coming on now he's used to the pace of AFL footy. Fair chance he'll end up better than Laverde. Wright and Lamb were promising.
I had my money on Carlton at the +27.5 point line, so The season is off to a good start.
Buckley was poor offensively tonight but only a fool would write him off on one game.
Those still clinging to ghosts of coaches past?
How refreshing is it to have a coach who is articulate, on message and deals with the media politely but with authority?
on the one hand I'm a little gutted, the game was there to be won, but too many silly errors and bad misses for goal.
But on the other I'm pretty damn happy, it is nice to actually feel some passion again after pretty much just going through the motions the last couple of years.
ok, so I'm never happy to lose, but I saw SOMETHING tonight. Green shoots? Damn right. Full marks for endeavour and intensity - was always going to drop off towards the end against a more seasoned opponent. Some fantastic slick ball movement. Definitely a semblance of a game plan emerging.
Just a couple of errors and lapses in judgement which we're all used to and frustrated by. White's two clangers in 2 passages of play. Kerridge's shanked kick which robbed us of a certain goal and earned one for them on the rebound. I have confidence that Bolts will limit these frustrations but he won't eliminate them completely and that's what's going to continue to cost us in these close ones.
How refreshing is it to have a coach who is articulate, on message and deals with the media politely but with authority?
Amen
Some observations after watching the game at the aka at tonight:
1. The Carlton crowd found their voice for the first time in ages in the third quarter and it was beautiful. Walker's 1 arm mark got a huge roar in particular. Shame we were silenced soon after.
2. We have some big structural problems in our set up. Our defenders especially guard the spaces too much and give their opponents far too much room to move. Jamison, Rowe and Weitering got caught out too easily if Richmond could move the ball quickly and all three (but especially Rowe) go too far up the ground.
3. Th forwards suffer similar problems with nobody there when needed. We also went way too short at times. We looked more threatening when Casboult, Everitt and Phillips were forward. Given we had a small forward line though you would think they'd be better at crumbing the loose ball but there were far too many occasions were it just trickled to a Richmond player behind a pack.
4. We looked so much better when we moved the ball through the middle of the ground.
5. We seemed to rotate our tall players far more than Richmond who rotated their mids instead. Casboult, Kreuzer and Everitt seemed to go off a lot more than Riewoldt and Vickery. Might explain why their kids seems fresher in the final term.
6. Cripps was an unstoppable beast at the stoppages until he tired in the final term. Boeky ran hard for 3 quarters and looked good too, until he also slowed up in the fourth. Covered a lot of ground until then though. Simpsons fought hard but too often he somehow got left manning up on Riewoldt or Vickery. My only real negative report on a player was for Tuohy - I really don't think he can keep playing in the backline as he has no defensive game.
And finally, Hampson's goal kicking was even worse than Casboult. Let's hope the big fella can get it together again becaus his marking looked good.
Csboult has had this kicking problem for the majority of his career, I do not know of any bone-fide key forward who would go for the checkside from 30m out in such a tight match and cock it up so badly as well.
This shows to me that he just has no confidence in his kicking abilities plus he cannot follow the simple instructions given to him by Sav Rocca last year.
Overall, we have a huge beast with incredible marking skills who cannot kick to save himself or the team when the game is on the line.
He's now 26yo and the question has to be asked, how much longer do you persist with him ?? We were approached regarding a trade a year or two back and we should of taken it with open arms. With games like tonight, his overall trade value will have dropped significantly.
Gee, Jones & Casboult in the key forward posts, makes me want to come up with an invention that adds 5-6 years experience to Harry McKay now.
Oh well, we have some serious deficiencies on the list that will be addressed over time, just have to "stick fat" with the players we have in 2016 and then review it all at the end of the season.
Casboult played a fantastic game. If you can't see that you weren't watching. Such an important role in the team.
Missed some shots he'd like to have kicked but kicked 24 - 12 last year. He'll come good. Don't panic.
Csboult has had this kicking problem for the majority of his career, I do not know of any bone-fide key forward who would go for the checkside from 30m out in such a tight match and cock it up so badly as well.
This shows to me that he just has no confidence in his kicking abilities plus he cannot follow the simple instructions given to him by Sav Rocca last year.
Overall, we have a huge beast with incredible marking skills who cannot kick to save himself or the team when the game is on the line.
He's now 26yo and the question has to be asked, how much longer do you persist with him ?? We were approached regarding a trade a year or two back and we should of taken it with open arms. With games like tonight, his overall trade value will have dropped significantly.
Gee, Jones & Casboult in the key forward posts, makes me want to come up with an invention that adds 5-6 years experience to Harry McKay now.
Oh well, we have some serious deficiencies on the list that will be addressed over time, just have to "stick fat" with the players we have in 2016 and then review it all at the end of the season.
The simple response is, you persist with him until we have better.
As for his kicking, he did do a pcl. Most players have "loose" kicking after significant injury recovery.
Twas a good match. A few WTf moments but plenty to like.
Massive tick for us not going to water with the rough stuff.
That's the first coach who has ironed it out.
We can't afford to miss so many scoring opportunities that are better than fifty fifty. It's what killed us the most. I counted at least three goalscoring opportunities we coughed up by dropping marks, missing targets. Or choosing the wrong option to pass to. Until our forwards score more frequently we must get those right.
We are still probably only a 13 goal team, but things will get better.
I was just happy to see close to a 4 quarter effort.
I'm really proud of the boys. I was asked by a Cat supporter mate how we'd go tonight. I said that I rate the tiges as a top 8 side and if we can compete within 5 goals of a top 8 side this year I would be happy. We should have won, so I am ecstatic. There was no selfish displays, but a lot of skill errors. Accountability though was through the roof. Some of the passages of play blew me away.
Cripps is in the Kouta/Judd/Fev/Diesel/SOS/Kernahan/Jezza/Doull/Nicholls etc.....mould.
Legend.
Weitering?...What a debut and what a gun. Can't recall a better player on debut.
I went along hoping to see effort. Didn't think a win was possible, but we played well enough to get the chocolates.
For the first time in a long while, I felt like I was watching a Carlton TEAM :) :) :) :)
By the way, watch Bolton's presser - so much better than the grumble-faced rubbish we saw for the past 3 years.
Can we give votes to the Coach?
I had high hopes for this game, and they were nearly proven to be founded, but alas.....
The lack of effort and pressure in the last 10 minutes of the last qtr was the only real time I was frustrated with the team as a whole.
The 2 50m penalties, 4 set shots that missed in the 1st half, Kerridges shocker, and possably others, we only needed 2 of these incidents to have gone our way and we would be celebrating a win. So all in all we got pretty close, we also won a lot of the key KPI's.
Murph played very well for his 1st game for the season
Cripps, so good to watch, so glad he wears Navy Blue !!!
Graham, not the quickest, but a pure footballer who does most things well, most of the time, and has no trouble finding the football.
Boekhorst, ran all night, and looking forward to seeing develop into a top class player.
Weitering, it's only his 3rd game and I'm already running out of words! He is all class, plays his role very well, and will be very important going forward.
Wright, a role player, who did well to hit the score board tonight.
Simpson, Mr reliable, did what he always does.
Buckley, was quiet.
Touhy was caught with the ball at least 3 times.
Casboult has to learn to kick straight, every week.
Plenty to learn from, but also plenty of positives and small shoots showing, so bring on next week and see what we can show against another top 8 side in Sydney.
Go Blues!!!
I know we have SOS now, but I'm really annoyed that we let Kane Lambert get to another club, he was consistently in the best for the Northern Blues for a couple of seasons and we over looked him, Richmond pick him up an he is showing very good signs of becoming a good AFL player. We let a player in our own back yard slip through....
Not happy.
Wow, some of the pro-Casboult and anti-White comments on this thread are hard to believe. Head shaking stuff.
Casboult has no place being on any AFL list, let alone ours, with the kicking 'skills' he possesses. I'm gonna lose my shyte if I have to put up with that all season. His kicking appears to have regressed at a fair rate since last year and quite frankly, it's unacceptable.
I saw Simon White make 2 consecutive errors in the 2nd quarter....and they weren't good, but apart from that, what the hell did he do so horribly wrong that has most of you calling for his head? Give me a break.
I'm not at all guttered by the result, but massively encouraged - haven't felt this optimistic in the list for quite some time, not to mention the game style, which has been completely overhauled and modernised.
We're still a fair way off being an elite list, so the skill errors are gonna haunt us for a while yet - but geez, when it all clicked tonight, how good did we look!?
I loved the Kreuzer/Phillips ruck combo and happy to admit that the person who I claimed was the biggest spud in the AFL.....Sam Rowe, was more than serviceable tonight. Absolutely hated Buckley's game though.....not sure what his role was supposed to be, but it failed miserably and for mine, Bolton took too long to act on it.
Thankfully overall, so much more to love than not about our performance tonight. Richmond once again stamped themselves as a middle-of-the-road team and nothing more. Kerridge kicks that goal at the start of the last, Tigers drop their heads, game over....*sigh*.....if only.
What did people think of Phillip's game? I thought he rucked well was good around the ground and is surprisingly agile and applies good pressure even against smaller more nimble players. If he plays like that every week he will be a very handy pickup. He probably surprised me the most. A green shoot where i least expected to see one.
On the game. I actually enjoyed watching a proper team effort. Yes we lack some polish but atleast we played like an AFL team. When we clicked it was scintillating stuff through the middle.
Casboult's work around the ground is handy, but he needs to be played to his strengths, and also where his weaknesses aren't detrimental to the team. In general, this would be :
1. contested marking target after a behind is scored
2. wing
3. occasional ruck work
4. in the goal square
If he is going to be played as CHF or anywhere in the F50, he must have some decent sharp shooters streaming past every time he marks, as someone else here suggested.
And just for old times' sake, "make no mistake - The Tigers are a very good football side."
What did people think of Phillip's game? I thought he rucked well was good around the ground and is surprisingly agile and applies good pressure even against smaller more nimble players. If he plays like that every week he will be a very handy pickup. He probably surprised me the most. A green shoot where i least expected to see one.
On the game. I actually enjoyed watching a proper team effort. Yes we lack some polish but atleast we played like an AFL team. When we clicked it was scintillating stuff through the middle.
Agree.
The simple response is, you persist with him until we have better.
As for his kicking, he did do a pcl.
Maybe he should do a "Place" as in "place kick", because that may be the only way he can prevent that horrible ball drop. ;D
I thought Curnow was very good last night and probably didn't get the credit some others are getting because of the role he plays.
There were lots of positive signs but it's really important that we follow up with another strong performance.
The early win is also important, so there is some reward for the effort, otherwise the "effort" may be hard to maintain.
Maybe he should do a "Place" as in "place kick", because that may be the only way he can prevent that horrible ball drop. ;D
I thought Curnow was very good last night and probably didn't get the credit some others are getting because of the role he plays.
There were lots of positive signs but it's really important that we follow up with another strong performance.
The early win is also important, so there is some reward for the effort, otherwise the "effort" may be hard to maintain.
Agree with your last paragraph. Next week against the Swans at Etihad. I hope the boys take it up to them for 4 quarters. A win is unlikely IMO.
The talk here around Casboult reminds me of the talk on this board around Hampson three or four years back, Hammer was going to be our very own Nic Nat after he had his inevitable break out season.
It never came and for the record he was at his usual woeful standard last night, 8 touches, ineffectual in the ruck and missed a sitter from 20 metres dead in front.
It happens when you're at or near the bottom, the slightest glimmer of ability from any player gives rise to hopeless and irrational optimism, but that's football supporters and always has been.
We won't be going anywhere until we get a key forward, preferably two.
I thought Curnow was very good last night and probably didn't get the credit some others are getting because of the role he plays.
Ed sticks to his task well but his skills are shabby.
Yes. With the possible exception of Sydney, he'd be a walk up start in any team.
I am without speech.
What was with that Richmond player in the 4thQ being so close to Buckley when Bucks was told to play on. Yes he was on the 50, but it looked like he was having a shot.
We always get stung by the new rules EVERY year. Cost us a couple of 50's early but then the umps forgot about the 10m.
By the way, during general run of play it looks okay but when having a shot for goal then they should bring it back to 5m. IMO.
Just as a thought, everyone saw just how composed and talented Weitering is (needs a nickname, maybe Legend) what about swinging him forward occasionally.
I know it is a big ask for a new player but he is far from your 'normal' new player.
I feel he could be very useful thrown forward in tight situations and could become known as The General.
As a leading, marking forward and his kicking has got to be straighter than anyone else in our team.
The issue has never been Cas's around the ground work. Marks as good as anyone in the league, is big, mobile and has bit of mongrel about him.
But at the moment id rather have Oscar Pistorius kicking for goal.
Richmond were missing Chaplin, Conca, Deledio, Grigg, Maric and Yarran. They also have Lennon and Taylor Hunt waiting in the wings as depth and we were almost as strong as we are going to be so i think the way the game ended up was probably about right.
I was stoked with the way we went about it tonight, looked as good as we have in about 4 or 5 years i think. 8)
And that's just 5 or so months of pre-season so the synergy and gelling of the team should only get better. That's right people, don't be afraid, i used the word TEAM. That's what we looked like last night. Felt great to feel good about watching my beloved again. :)
Look forward to having guys like Mr Plow, Sumner, Byrne, C Curnow, Army, Skittles, KJ and Cunningham out there to see what different dynamics we can implement.
Daisy will be back next week and i'm not happy nor sad about it, indifferent i suppose.
Apart from Weitering i wasnt super impressed with our big defenders. God JW is impressive.
Simmo and Docherty had plenty of it.
. Cripps is a magnificent beast who has me super excited, the wife even told me to calm the farm. Gets me as excited as Juddy used to, sorry CJ.
.Murph led well and from the front, stellar performance.
.Gibbs looked polished
.Kerridge and Wright are both big ticks for me, look like they want to play for the jumper, as did most of the boys last night.
.Kreuze/Sauce Mk11 ruck combo looked good.
. 2nd tier mids Nicky G, Mr Ed and Boeky all were serviceable
. Walker and Lamb did Ok
. Apart from Dre's 2 goals he was a bit stinky, as were Bucks and White.
All in all it was a .great team effort for our first real hit out. Rapt have footy back, the humidity and hot weather can piss off. >:D
Bring on the Swans 8)
Weitering's first (not third) game:
17 disposals
12 kicks
5 handballs
7 marks
1 tackle
Not bad! Moving him forward on the odd occasion is definitely something to keep in mind. He was moved to FF in last year's prelim final for the Stingrays and kicked 2 last q goals but they still lost narrowly.
I think Martin was the difference between the 2 teams last night. Stepped up when we threatened to stretch the lead beyond 3 goals (still our Achilles heel - the inability to get that extra crucial goal). The best 'fender offerer' in the game which crapes me to tears. Teams should start anticipating this move as he does it every time - maybe the would be tackler should drop their knees Selwood-style so that, instead of Martin pushing you in the chest, he inadvertently pushes you in the face which is a free kick every time.
What was with that Richmond player in the 4thQ being so close to Buckley when Bucks was told to play on. Yes he was on the 50, but it looked like he was having a shot.
We always get stung by the new rules EVERY year. Cost us a couple of 50's early but then the umps forgot about the 10m.
By the way, during general run of play it looks okay but when having a shot for goal then they should bring it back to 5m. IMO.
It's just a crap rule full stop. They're not even really enforcing the full 10m, get a measuring tape out or roughly step it out and it's massive gap.
The shot clock was off putting and served no purpose.
With Casboult, why is it we always seem to kick it to where he is standing? His goal kicking aside for the moment, he would get a crape load more marks and be more useful if we could kick it away from him so he can run onto it.
Much harder to stop a 110kg man when he is moving in the air with pace.
Too many times he is just standing and the ball lands on his head.
Just saying...
If we had picked up Collins last year I would be happy to see Wietering moved forward. With his poise and clean disposal he would make a great forward but we need him down back.
The player we missed most last night was Charlie Curnow of two years from now or even one year, someone who will tear the game apart in a ten minute passage. We don't have anyone who can do that for us in the forward line.
All credit to Murphy who played a great game last night and opened up a number of attacks until he tired in the last quarter.
Boeky needs to get some confidence in his kicking into the forward line and running into goal. You could see him hesitate a few times when he should've moved the ball on much quicker, ditto Buckley who looked lost when he made out he was shooting for goal outside 50.
With Casboult, why is it we always seem to kick it to where he is standing? His goal kicking aside for the moment, he would get a crape load more marks and be more useful if we could kick it away from him so he can run onto it.
Much harder to stop a 110kg man when he is moving in the air with pace.
Too many times he is just standing and the ball lands on his head.
Just saying...
After he missed that shot in the last he actually got free on the lead and he was snubbed, and for good reason.
He is only a 50/50 chance from 30 metres out directly in front.
I am without speech.
His a big unit with great hands BUT the profession he is employed in is as a key forward.
Therefore when you get your minimal chances you MUST take them and be at least a 50% chance to convert. His team mates after busting a nut to get the ball in his hands must just feel so disheartened when he drop the ball onto his boot from 2 metres away ::) and then depending on what part of the ball connects determines the direction it takes. Its pure chance and no system or technique to speak of.
His kicking is not even close to AFL standard not even local footy standard. IMO this is his last year if comes seasons end it is still a liability. He needs to throw his current technique in the bin and start again. Not a great sign when your 26.
Just as a thought, everyone saw just how composed and talented Weitering is (needs a nickname, maybe Legend) what about swinging him forward occasionally.
I know it is a big ask for a new player but he is far from your 'normal' new player.
I feel he could be very useful thrown forward in tight situations and could become known as The General.
As a leading, marking forward and his kicking has got to be straighter than anyone else in our team.
Perhaps 'Bix' as in Weet Bix ??????????
His a big unit with great hands BUT the profession he is employed in is as a key forward.
Therefore when you get your minimal chances you MUST take them and be at least a 50% chance to convert. His team mates after busting a nut to get the ball in his hands must just feel so disheartened when he drop the ball onto his boot from 2 metres away ::) and then depending on what part of the ball connects determines the direction it takes. Its pure chance and no system or technique to speak of.
His kicking is not even close to AFL standard not even local footy standard. IMO this is his last year if comes seasons end it is still a liability. He needs to throw his current technique in the bin and start again. Not a great sign when your 26.
It's becoming very evident that certain players will only get you so far, when like last night several catch up, you become the liability if you cant finish of the good work up the ground.Unfortunately when you have your go to guy that can't , he then becomes the liability, and we need better to move forward.
Best trade ever?
Out: Menzel
In: Kerridge, Phillips, Lamb.........and still have Plowman and Sumner
All 3 offered more than Menzel did most of the time and there is still room for improvement in each.
Plenty to like about a lot of the list changes in the off-season.
Weitering may never play a 2nds game in his career if he keeps up like that.
Wright was a very good contributer too for a 'freebie' in the offseason.
Very happy to see Walker up forward where he belongs. Keeps the ball alive, contests and competes on the ground and in the air. Good kick for goal. Not his best game ever, but could play for another 5 years in that role.
Boekhorst is starting to look comfortable at AFL level now and a few of his tricks are starting to show. A lot to like.
Cripps going down saw me just about throw something at the TV. Thought he was gone for the year. Seems to be ok. Started where he took off from last year. Apparantly only in the 'average' category according to Fox footy, will be elite by years end.
Murphy was pretty good for a bloke who hasn't had a hitout in 6 months. That is your base, the sky is the limit. Hopefully his shoulder is ok, not surprised if its not though.
Looks like the 2nds played well and had a few step up. Add the inclusion of Daisy, according to the coach, and looks like we might be struggling to fit everyone into our best 22.
On the chopping block for a variety of reasons would have to be....
Buckley
White
Casboult
Everitt
Ins to come from...
Daisy
Gorringe
Byrne
Jaksch
Silvagni
and potentially Charlie Curnow who didn't play in either game being 1st emergency
Perhaps 'Bix' as in Weet Bix ??????????
How about Chili?
Leaves you with a 'wet ring' >:D
What was with that Richmond player in the 4thQ being so close to Buckley when Bucks was told to play on. Yes he was on the 50, but it looked like he was having a shot.
We always get stung by the new rules EVERY year. Cost us a couple of 50's early but then the umps forgot about the 10m.
By the way, during general run of play it looks okay but when having a shot for goal then they should bring it back to 5m. IMO.
The problem is the lack of voice, we get pinged because opponents highlight the infringements to the umpires. Our Church Mice stay mum and as a result nothing happens, it occurred twice last night and Buckley should have been given a 50m.
Also notice the bias on the commentary, even after the game they highlight when 9thmond missed out on a 50m, but said nothing about the two glaring times Carlton suffered the same fate.
Also, since when is it allowed to fend players off by their throat. One example is on the front page of The Hun today. Martin does this 3 or 4 times a game and they commentators say nothing, except of Commetti who at one stage was surprised a free wasn't paid for high contact. It's bullcrap, the umpires pick and choose when to pay free kicks, they are not umpiring the rules.
But it's not just the players, it's our dumbar5e supporters many of whom are too busy hanging it on our own players when they should be pointing the finger at the indiscretions of opponents. Get off your fecking ar5e Carlton supporters and let the umpires know when your team is getting unfairly dealt with! Have a fecking voice!
How about Chili?
Leaves you with a 'wet ring' >:D
He's already called Weiters by the team, he's been Weiters since his school days.
That effort should give a boost to membership.
Structure, audacity, daring, boldness......
Agree the Menzal thing, the Casboult thing....
Levi will not be a part of this team going forward, so why play him?? Surely between Foster, Curnow (C), SOSOS, and a bit more of Kreuz up front we as a collective can move on from the boy who was chained to Houla on the Yarra???? He kicks those two from inside 50 we win, simple as that.
Changes for round two:
In's.....Byrne, Thomas, Curnow
Out's...Casboult, Buckley, White
I went along hoping to see effort. Didn't think a win was possible, but we played well enough to get the chocolates.
For the first time in a long while, I felt like I was watching a Carlton TEAM :) :) :) :)
By the way, watch Bolton's presser - so much better than the grumble-faced rubbish we saw for the past 3 years.
Can we give votes to the Coach?
Grumble faced rubbish - brilliant.
Yeah, Bolts is a breath fresh air at the pressed. Maybe said "high performance team" once too many times, though he did note he was repeating himself. But you can see why the players have quickly adopted his way of things.
Age isn't everything but we had a more experienced team last night and really should have won.
His a big unit with great hands BUT the profession he is employed in is as a key forward.
Therefore when you get your minimal chances you MUST take them and be at least a 50% chance to convert. His team mates after busting a nut to get the ball in his hands must just feel so disheartened when he drop the ball onto his boot from 2 metres away ::) and then depending on what part of the ball connects determines the direction it takes. Its pure chance and no system or technique to speak of.
His kicking is not even close to AFL standard not even local footy standard. IMO this is his last year if comes seasons end it is still a liability. He needs to throw his current technique in the bin and start again. Not a great sign when your 26.
I think a lot of the ball drop conspiracy is bullsh1t.
I presume you are being facetious on the 2m comment because he would be holding the ball above his head. Get with the metric system! ;)
Last night on Ch.EFC Wayne Carey had a rant about comparing Casboult's ball drop to Riewoldt, Carey banged on and on and on about Casboult needing to get the ball closer to his foot "Like Riewoldt". But post match when they eventually showed a comparative highlight of a Riewoldt shot for goal there was feck all difference. It may even be that Riewoldt's ball drop was higher but Ch.EFC tried their best to show an angle to make a supporting case for their commentator.
The problem isn't so much the height, it the straightness of the drop, and Casboult does fine when he is kicking from the F50 arc with his normal drop. He's had some tuition from Rocca and it's worked well, but this year Casboult's body shape has changed significantly which will without doubt effect his posture, balance and leg action. He will need to go back to school on the subject, if Rocca is no longer available then I'd be offering Fev some cash for tuition. Meat needs advice from blokes who solved their own problems so he can learn to get things sorted out for himself.
The inside F50 stuff, the short range problems, are not mechanical they are psychological. It's a problem in his head.
As for calls to drop him, they are unrealistic. I know we are disappointed in the kicks for goal, but ignoring that if he'd got them he would have probably been listed among the teams best. He was a running, marking monster last night and there are few clubs that can hope to match up with him. If he keeps up that level of intensity and clunking marks he is right up there with the competitions best. Having him in the team with Phillips and Kreuzer worked well, especially not having to ruck Casboult worked very well. The tall spud on the night was Everitt who avoids physical contact like someone with a phobia about it!
Further more, in unrelated play he used the ball pretty well. He hits as many targets by foot and sent the ball to advantage as well as any. Far better than Buckley, Everitt, Curnow or Kerridge who all tended to blaze away.
Casboult will be moved on at the end of this year if he can't sort out his kicking. In fact I think the Bolt is lucky that McKay did his back, because all though Harry will need a few years to develop, by is kicking - based on the five minutes I've seen of him - rubbishes all over Bolt. He is Levi's replacement going forward.
They have to find room for Byrne in the team. 28 possessions and apparently set up a number of goals in the VFL match. And last week that running goal. He probably can't match it one on one against a decent forward, but he clearly knows what to do with the ball. And that's why I'd have him in the side over White any day of the week. Putting aside White's two howlers last night, he never looks completely sure of himself when he has the ball. A bit like Rowe he has the deer in the headlights looks. And that's why he can't be in our top 22 going forward.
Anyway, I'd have Bryne in for White. Not sure who to drop for Thomas. Yes, Buckley had a quiet game, but I think he was played out of position - the one thing in my view Bolts got wrong last night. Still, it'd be tough to drop Lamb whose forward pressure was excellent and hit the scoreboard.
They have to find room for Byrne in the team. 28 possessions and apparently set up a number of goals in the VFL match.
Judging AFL ready form by AFL practices match is rubbish, judging AFL ready form by VFL practice matches doesn't even make it as high as rubbish!
Excluding injuries, I think Daisy will be the only in next week and the out is likely to be Everitt or White. Daisy gets to have some revenge on Laidler.
If Byrne does come in it will be at the expense of Buckley.
Pretty good performance last night and couldn't walk away too disappointed. Ground was oddly quiet for such a large crowd; i figure the richmond fans were not thrilled. Martin is a gun player and he dragged them over the line. He will many times this year as they dont have enough consistent performers.
As for us, it was good to see positive attacking football with structure and coherent teamwork. We got tired in the last quarter and fumbles started, but so did richmond. The interchange will have an effect. We rotated players throuh the ground quite a bit too, which helped us get some miss matches.
Others have commented on the positives; our senior midfielders played very well and got forward a bit which is required in the absence of reliable forward options. We linked up well and was most pleased with our kicking out and moving the ball from the backline. We had clearly a few set plays worked out which gave options.
Poor old Casboult must be feeling ordinary this morning. His confidence must be so low with ball in hands. What is next? Hypnotism? If he could kick straight he would be a genuine key forward and give his team mates great confidence.
Liked phillips around the ground. His tap work is raw, but he jumped over the top and kicked a really nice goal. Well done. Wright with 3 goals was very good with his finishing.
Long season but quite a bit to look forward to. Thomas in next week, probably for buckly who looked a bit lost or white.
Excluding injuries, I think Daisy will be the only in next week and the out is likely to be Everitt or White.
No matter what people think of Everitt, he's good for 2 or 3 goals a game and that is gold for us at the moment until a viable alternative is ready.
No matter what people think of Everitt, he's good for 2 or 3 goals a game and that is gold for us at the moment until a viable alternative is ready.
Exactly!
There's no way Everitt will be dropped. Apart from the dropped chest mark, and that can happen to anyone, I thought that he was OK . . . and he's not doing that silly single finger celebration. Somehow I don't think Bolton would appreciate it.
Grumble faced rubbish - brilliant.
Yeah, Bolts is a breath fresh air at the pressed. Maybe said "high performance team" once too many times, though he did note he was repeating himself. But you can see why the players have quickly adopted his way of things.
That was a class performance by BB and should reassure us that we are in very good hands to go forward. He gets to the point, does not waffle around and gives the strong impression that clear plans have been set and are being followed. A man who knows exactly what he wants and communicates that to the rest of the coaching and playing group. They know what is expected and what their individual parts are in the whole thing.
Also mightily impressed by Weitering's interview. Very mature and a young man who we can be proud to have in our ranks! Murph also gave a good performance in his interview.
As to the match, again Weitering's great debut was the stand out obviously but also Murph's captain's example was terrific for me.
It was disappointing to lose the game but we showed glimpses of what we can become eventually and I don't want to dwell too much on our skill lapses and game plan stuff ups - we are still struggling a bit no doubt in adapting to the zone defence with some confusion certainly apparent at times.
Very early days I know but I feel better about our future than I have for many years and can't wait to see more next week. :)
Also a very encouraging report from the VFL - many thanks Baggers.
Meat always does better when he gets a run in the ruck, it seems to build his confidence.
Perhaps if he started high, around the 50 metre arc and led to wings he'd get more kicks in general play and fewer at goal... and in the process build some confidence. But it's a sad state when you have to think of so many concessions around your key forward.
Everitt has to go.
I think a lot of the ball drop conspiracy is bullsh1t.
I presume you are being facetious on the 2m comment because he would be holding the ball above his head. Get with the metric system! ;)
Last night on Ch.EFC Wayne Carey had a rant about comparing Casboult's ball drop to Riewoldt, Carey banged on and on and on about Casboult needing to get the ball closer to his foot "Like Riewoldt". But post match when they eventually showed a comparative highlight of a Riewoldt shot for goal there was feck all difference. It may even be that Riewoldt's ball drop was higher but Ch.EFC tried their best to show an angle to make a supporting case for their commentator.
The problem isn't so much the height, it the straightness of the drop, and Casboult does fine when he is kicking from the F50 arc with his normal drop. He's had some tuition from Rocca and it's worked well, but this year Casboult's body shape has changed significantly which will without doubt effect his posture, balance and leg action. He will need to go back to school on the subject, if Rocca is no longer available then I'd be offering Fev some cash for tuition. Meat needs advice from blokes who solved their own problems so he can learn to get things sorted out for himself.
The inside F50 stuff, the short range problems, are not mechanical they are psychological. It's a problem in his head.
As for calls to drop him, they are unrealistic. I know we are disappointed in the kicks for goal, but ignoring that if he'd got them he would have probably been listed among the teams best. He was a running, marking monster last night and there are few clubs that can hope to match up with him. If he keeps up that level of intensity and clunking marks he is right up there with the competitions best. Having him in the team with Phillips and Kreuzer worked well, especially not having to ruck Casboult worked very well. The tall spud on the night was Everitt who avoids physical contact like someone with a phobia about it!
Further more, in unrelated play he used the ball pretty well. He hits as many targets by foot and sent the ball to advantage as well as any. Far better than Buckley, Everitt, Curnow or Kerridge who all tended to blaze away.
Spin it any way you want - fact is his job is to finish the work from up the ground and while his kicking is as bad as it is he can't be in our future plans if we want to improve as a club.
He has had this major flaw since arriving at the club - this year it needs to be fixed or trade him out if you can get something for him.
As Bolton said its a reset year and something like this will not be accepted come years end nor should it.
Thought Nicky G was great last night. Really had a say in our third quarter comeback with plenty of score involvements. Hits players lace out when he gets the ball in space. Works really hard to win possession at the coalface. Needs to build his tank and run harder to get more outside ball because he's not quick but he's a great user of the ball. Take a leaf out of Carrazzo's book who was also not quick but would run hard all day.
Re: Casboult, I think you can overcoach a skill like goal kicking such that it becomes too much of a good thing.
ffs, go to the park, pick out two trees, try a couple of different things then stick with whatever works for you. It's not rocket science. Peter Hudson - stuttering approach, too hunched, flat mongrel punt - hardly ever missed.
Structure, audacity, daring, boldness......
Agree the Menzal thing, the Casboult thing....
Levi will not be a part of this team going forward, so why play him?? Surely between Foster, Curnow (C), SOSOS, and a bit more of Kreuz up front we as a collective can move on from the boy who was chained to Houla on the Yarra???? He kicks those two from inside 50 we win, simple as that.
Changes for round two:
In's.....Byrne, Thomas, Curnow
Out's...Casboult, Buckley, White
Who's your key forward next week? You're not playing those others as key forwards, at least not yet. Think you know you need a big body up forward. He'll be superseded eventually as McKay, C.Curnow and Jaksch develop but not until they are ready. Reckon Casboult will be a part of the team going forward for a while yet for that reason. Still prefer him as a our 2nd ruck to be honest but one can't certainly complain about Phillips effort last night. Was good around the ground, drifted forward and kicked a good goal. Casboult kicked badly but certainly did well enough to keep his place. Kicking turned a good game into an ordinary one. Bring Jaksch in to help him and spread the defensive numbers.
Jaksch in for White and play forward , Byrne in for Buckley.
We didn't have alot of bad players last night. Just errors and composure are vital times. Reckon we could snag up to 7-8 wins based on that effort. We have some great games but as a young side we'll have our shockers too. All a part of learning and rebuilding.
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Re: Casboult, I think you can overcoach a skill like goal kicking such that it becomes too much of a good thing.
ffs, go to the park, pick out two trees, try a couple of different things then stick with whatever works for you. It's not rocket science. Peter Hudson - stuttering approach, flat punt - hardly ever missed.
Needs to kick through the ball from close range. We know he can kick them regularly from 50.
No matter what people think of Everitt, he's good for 2 or 3 goals a game and that is gold for us at the moment until a viable alternative is ready.
I would agree.
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Watched the game on TV, had to turn off the sound. I think we lost the game in the first quarter when our first three scoring shots were points and there's were goals. Throughout the night, Casboult had three getable shots and missed all three. If he kicked two out of three we would have won. At the start of the last quarter I was wondering who was going to win the game for us. clearly it wasn't Casboult, and if he can't kick goals he is a liability.
I would like to say that it is a lot easier to support a team that has a go, and while Richmond will get better when they get there better players in, Carlton will get better the more they play together.
Long term we need key defenders, hopefully Plowman, Jaksch and Glass-McCasker can rotate through these roles to support Weitering, and we need a key forward who can be the go to man when games need to be won, hopefully McKay, Silvagni or Curnow can take on the role.
Over the short term, we just need to play better for longer.
Stand top be corrected by future performance, but i thought Jamo was a real liability last night.
Whether it's his shoulders or between the ears, he's dusted imo.
Wish we had taken Collins in the draft.....
No matter what people think of Everitt, he's good for 2 or 3 goals a game and that is gold for us at the moment until a viable alternative is ready.
I really understand that point but we're building and we need blokes who want to grow and risk and change for the betterment of the team.
Fortunately we will have viable alternatives very soon - Curnow and SOS to name a couple.
My knock on Everitt is his poor contribution in just about every other facet of forward play apart from opportunistic goals occurring purely due to the good work up the field - Everitt likes the 'easy ball' and that's just not good enough. White has shown that he can kick goals when up forward but gives more defensive grunt.
When players like Everitt and Casboult make mistakes or, in Everitt's case, fail to be fierce at the contest it can have a demoralising effect on other players... after all, others are busting a gut to get the ball into our forward line.
When you have 11 more inside 50s than your opponent and lose by 2 goals it says only one thing really clearly... your forwards, especially your key/taller forwards, are very badly letting down the team. Our small forwards and midfielders hit the scoreboard really well last night and worked tirelessly in other aspects of the game.
In a nutshell Baggers. No room for passengers any more.
Stand top be corrected by future performance, but i thought Jamo was a real liability last night.
Whether it's his shoulders or between the ears, he's dusted imo.
Wish we had taken Collins in the draft.....
Jamo is struggling to get used to the zone defence IMO. I recall one incident when the ball came in to a position 30 meters dead in front of our goal and Jamo and two other Blues raced off to their zones away from the drop of the ball, leaving a Tiger (forget who now) on his own for an easy possession and goal. It was a spectacular stuff up.
In a nutshell Baggers. No room for passengers any more.
Bingo! Thank you. And no more room for excuses and justifications.
Bingo! Thank you. And no more room for excuses and justifications.
From reports there will be pressure for a senior berth from a number of guys in the NBs. From last night's showing, and it's only one game, Everitt and Levi in particular will need to tidy up their acts if they want to continue to play senior football. Everitt's saving grace was his goals, otherwise a very weak looking game and a poor team contribution and example to others. We know all about Levi's main problem of course - why has he lapsed back? Hopefully this can be fixed pdq to get him on track again, otherwise he looked OK.
If Levi could kick like Carey he'd be one of the hottest commodities in the game. I have no doubts whatsoever his poor kicking affects his all round confidence. If he could kick straight he'd be twice the player in every other aspect of his game.
Stand top be corrected by future performance, but i thought Jamo was a real liability last night.
Whether it's his shoulders or between the ears, he's dusted imo.
Wish we had taken Collins in the draft.....
Spot on flyboy......was clearly the worst performed of him/Rowe/Weitering. He's literally in the team by default at the moment.
Stand top be corrected by future performance, but i thought Jamo was a real liability last night.
Whether it's his shoulders or between the ears, he's dusted imo.
Wish we had taken Collins in the draft.....
Glass-McCasker might ease your pain...Collins did ok for the WB's during the NAB cup.....you cant beat ready made players who have the mature bodies....
If Levi could kick like Carey he'd be one of the hottest commodities in the game. I have no doubts whatsoever his poor kicking affects his all round confidence. If he could kick straight he'd be twice the player in every other aspect of his game.
Good call there PI2C. When he lined up for that deadset gimme in the last, I had no doubts he'd miss, 'cos by then his kicking demons had well and truly settled inside his head. He would've been a mess by then.
I really understand that point but we're building and we need blokes who want to grow and risk and change for the betterment of the team.
Fortunately we will have viable alternatives very soon - Curnow and SOS to name a couple.
My knock on Everitt is his poor contribution in just about every other facet of forward play apart from opportunistic goals occurring purely due to the good work up the field - Everitt likes the 'easy ball' and that's just not good enough. White has shown that he can kick goals when up forward but gives more defensive grunt.
When players like Everitt and Casboult make mistakes or, in Everitt's case, fail to be fierce at the contest it can have a demoralising effect on other players... after all, others are busting a gut to get the ball into our forward line.
When you have 11 more inside 50s than your opponent and lose by 2 goals it says only one thing really clearly... your forwards, especially your key/taller forwards, are very badly letting down the team. Our small forwards and midfielders hit the scoreboard really well last night and worked tirelessly in other aspects of the game.
Levi is a coach killer...he can take 10 marks and you would eb lucky to see 2 goals next to his name, Everitt is everything you say, lazy, just wants easy ball, takes his eyes offf the footy when theri is heat in the area but if you give him 4 marks near goal he will kick three goals....
Levi will stay in the team by default for a while but he has to go..I'd rather see Jaksch developed as a leading FF and McKay as our CHF and have Philips or Gorrings as the 2nd ruckman....
Everitt will be traded out IMO at seasons end....
Thought Nicky G was great last night. Really had a say in our third quarter comeback with plenty of score involvements. Hits players lace out when he gets the ball in space. Works really hard to win possession at the coalface. Needs to build his tank and run harder to get more outside ball because he's not quick but he's a great user of the ball. Take a leaf out of Carrazzo's book who was also not quick but would run hard all day.
We were talking about him at half time last night saying we'd thought he'd been a bit quiet, then BOOM, along comes that 3rd quarter where he tore it up. Clearly now entrenched in our best 22.
I thought Nicky G was crape in the 1st half but did improve after half time....looked slow, got caught with the footy but he does have the ability a target....problem was I thought Lambert and Townsend who were playing the same role for the Tigers burnt us badly in the last quarter, Cripps and Murphy went out of the game and I didnt think our next level of mids matched it with the Tigers 2nd and 3rd stringers.
Saying all that though I like NG and think he has the ability to become a quality mid and is an intelligent kid who can be a leader down the track...
From reports there will be pressure for a senior berth from a number of guys in the NBs. From last night's showing, and it's only one game, Everitt and Levi in particular will need to tidy up their acts if they want to continue to play senior football. Everitt's saving grace was his goals, otherwise a very weak looking game and a poor team contribution and example to others. We know all about Levi's main problem of course - why has he lapsed back? Hopefully this can be fixed pdq to get him on track again, otherwise he looked OK.
indeed, why? he went at 66% last year - very, very good.
Levi is a coach killer...he can take 10 marks and you would eb lucky to see 2 goals next to his name, Everitt is everything you say, lazy, just wants easy ball, takes his eyes offf the footy when theri is heat in the area but if you give him 4 marks near goal he will kick three goals....
Levi will stay in the team by default for a while but he has to go..I'd rather see Jaksch developed as a leading FF and McKay as our CHF and have Philips or Gorrings as the 2nd ruckman....
Everitt will be traded out IMO at seasons end....
Yep, you nailed it with the word 'lazy.'
Any wonder Crippa and Murph tired in the last qtr carrying Casboult and Everitt is a tall order. ;-)
geez, if we had eddie last night, there were about 6 goals i could have seen him kick.... easy . There was confusion below the knees so many times in our forward 50, he would have eaten up. We need a small pick pocket thief deep, left or right of that goal sqaure
Yep, jammo looks a liability, his disposal is heart in mouth stuff. Other than Weeters our entire back half doesn't exactly look solid and we still don't cover smaller forwards well.... Still give away far to many goals from basic errors in defence.
Pitc's mate Nicky G looked good at times but when played across half forward the opposition seemed to get around him/bypass him very easily and he couldn't put any meaningful pressure on the ball carrier. At his pace he needs to go flat out alll the time or he gets caught... He also leans back and kicks lazy floaters, perhaps when tired towards end of quarters. Must improve the hurt factor of his disposals, but I guess that will come with time.
geez, if we had eddie last night, there were about 6 goals i could have seen him kick.... easy . There was confusion below the knees so many times in our forward 50, he would have eaten up. We need a small pick pocket thief deep, left or right of that goal sqaure
Wright with 3 goals was handy and I think he is our best pocket option....
geez, if we had eddie last night, there were about 6 goals i could have seen him kick.... easy . There was confusion below the knees so many times in our forward 50, he would have eaten up. We need a small pick pocket thief deep, left or right of that goal sqaure
Even Jeff would have been enough to win us that game last night. Fingers crossed Sumner can get fit as he is lightning quick.
Jaksch in for Buckley would help our fwd structure I think. Too short.
If only we could splice Casboult and Everitt together.
I think we have made a blue keeping Jamo. Should have looked for an experienced key defender from elsewhere like Merrit or someone and cut our losses with Jamo. If I watch him miss another easy intercept mark because he wasn't watching the ball I will SPEW UP.
I think we have made a blue keeping Jamo. Should have looked for an experienced key defender from elsewhere like Merrit or someone and cut our losses with Jamo. If I watch him miss another easy intercept mark because he wasn't watching the ball I will SPEW UP.
His struggles coupled with Rowe's apparent preference to spoil, punch or get the ball to ground on too many occasions when a mark would be the better available option are creating crises in our defence that we can well do without atm.
Another who was busy for little reward was Lamb. Did a heap of chasing along with Buckley. Between those two and Wright, I was relatively happy.
Levi is a coach killer...he can take 10 marks and you would eb lucky to see 2 goals next to his name, Everitt is everything you say, lazy, just wants easy ball, takes his eyes offf the footy when theri is heat in the area but if you give him 4 marks near goal he will kick three goals....
Levi will stay in the team by default for a while but he has to go..I'd rather see Jaksch developed as a leading FF and McKay as our CHF and have Philips or Gorrings as the 2nd ruckman....
Everitt will be traded out IMO at seasons end....
They used to say SOS had to kick 6 goals as a forward to make up for the defensive effort you lost by taking him out of the backline.
Reckon Everitt is thr same equation but backwards. He needs to kick 3-4 goals to make up for the softness he brings to the team.
They used to say SOS had to kick 6 goals as a forward to make up for the defensive effort you lost by taking him out of the backline.
Reckon Everitt is thr same equation but backwards. He needs to kick 3-4 goals to make up for the softness he brings to the team.
That's possibly true. If Eveitt can kick 3-4 goals pr game, he'd be practically a Coleman Medalist, and I'd give him express permission to be as soft as a bag of marshmallows
Was a strange atmosphere at the game.
After Q1 the Tigers' fans went very quiet - even the dumb ones (the greater majority granted) had realised that there was a game of footy on out there - and that they were no certainty to win.
That they did was more our bad than their good. A small win for we Baggers!
We can (and very much will) improve on last night too - don't forget that fact - but at least the intensity and effort was there from most players for most of the match.
If only we could splice Casboult and Everitt together.
Why would we want someone who can't kick and is soft?
I think Martin was the difference between the 2 teams last night. Stepped up when we threatened to stretch the lead beyond 3 goals (still our Achilles heel - the inability to get that extra crucial goal). The best 'fender offerer' in the game which crapes me to tears. Teams should start anticipating this move as he does it every time - maybe the would be tackler should drop their knees Selwood-style so that, instead of Martin pushing you in the chest, he inadvertently pushes you in the face which is a free kick every time.
I was thinking along the same lines. Another tactic may be to focus on grabbing the fending arm and giving it a good chicken wing.
Kreuzer put him down in the last quarter but I'm not sure if it was an arm sling or body tackle.
Can we call this a victory anyway?
I'm not one for honourable losses, a loss is a loss, but we're talking about a team that finished last got rid of talent, lazy and flawed it may have been, rung the changes with coaching, players, admin, and game plan and we went up against a club that has had a coach and a game plan for 6-ish seasons.
Richmond have not had the turmoil that we've had in the 2010's, they have had the same core players, same coach and the same message. They have a steady administration and a great membership, yes they were missing a couple of pieces, but they should have depth through a decade of high picks that they have kept.
Richmond are being spoken about in the 4th - 6th bracket of teams, yet the "basket case" from last season made them look second rate and bewildered as a wave of blue kept sweeping the ball forward with organisation and dare, highlighting our need for quality forwards, which will come. I wonder if David Parkin wants to retract his comments yet?
Bolton got his assessment right, a lack of poise or "polish" stopped us from getting the 4 points, no time to rest on laurels though Sydney will be much harder than this lot next Sunday
Anyone else irked by all the missed tackles last night? I thought it was a major issue.
The Tigers fans had to sit through 4 quarters of nail biting tension and you could certainly feel that. The main emotion coming from them at the final siren was pure relief, tinged with doubt. I was just slightly disappointed we had lost but greatly encouraged by our efforts.
Anyone else irked by all the missed tackles last night? I thought it was a major issue.
Especially in the last quarter. I think there may have been a couple just a little underdone (Cripps and Murphy) and just couldn't maintain their pressure without the ball plus Weitering who was caught out a couple of times.
Can we call this a victory anyway?
I'm not one for honourable losses, a loss is a loss, but we're talking about a team that finished last got rid of talent, lazy and flawed it may have been, rung the changes with coaching, players, admin, and game plan and we went up against a club that has had a coach and a game plan for 6-ish seasons.
Richmond have not had the turmoil that we've had in the 2010's, they have had the same core players, same coach and the same message. They have a steady administration and a great membership, yes they were missing a couple of pieces, but they should have depth through a decade of high picks that they have kept.
Richmond are being spoken about in the 4th - 6th bracket of teams, yet the "basket case" from last season made them look second rate and bewildered as a wave of blue kept sweeping the ball forward with organisation and dare, highlighting our need for quality forwards, which will come. I wonder if David Parkin wants to retract his comments yet?
Bolton got his assessment right, a lack of poise or "polish" stopped us from getting the 4 points, no time to rest on laurels though Sydney will be much harder than this lot next Sunday
yET fummily enough the Tiges have head the measure of the Swans in recent matches?!!
Go Blues.
Wait till we settle and get Plowman (will be AA by 2017 imo), Sumner (I reckon he'll cut the mustard) and Charlie into the mix.
Gorringe showing he wants to play senior footy too.
Anyone else irked by all the missed tackles last night? I thought it was a major issue.
Irked by the fact Martin scared our players and they didnt want to tackle him......we still lack sufficient -players who can play the game when it gets physical....
Anyone else irked by all the missed tackles last night? I thought it was a major issue.
I thought that some of our tackling was pretty good; we generally tackled with intent and let the Tigers know that they were in for some treatment. Our tackling in the forward 50 was good; 8 to 4. However, we lost the tackle count 51 to 60 and the seven players who spent most of the game in defence had seven tackles between them.
The midfielders led the way and, while I wouldn't want them to ease off, we really need others to contribute, particularly the blokes who aren't touching the pill. Someone like White should really be using his size and strength to bring opponents down and everyone should be working harder to make their tackles stick.
I thought that some of our tackling was pretty good; we generally tackled with intent and let the Tigers know that they were in for some treatment. Our tackling in the forward 50 was good; 8 to 4. However, we lost the tackle count 51 to 60 and the seven players who spent most of the game in defence had seven tackles between them.
The midfielders led the way and, while I wouldn't want them to ease off, we really need others to contribute, particularly the blokes who aren't touching the pill. Someone like White should really be using his size and strength to bring opponents down and everyone should be working harder to make their tackles stick.
Fair post DJC. I saw some terrific tackling, and some slack / non existent tackling as well.
Fair post DJC. I saw some terrific tackling, and some slack / non existent tackling as well.
BB will see all this in the reviews and highlight the NON-TEAM actions and compare them to the selflessness actions.
The passengers will be weeded out and be playing in the magoos.
ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR CARLTON!
Why would we want someone who can't kick and is soft?
Or, on the other hand, someone who can take a mark and kick straight.
Levi is a coach killer...he can take 10 marks and you would eb lucky to see 2 goals next to his name, Everitt is everything you say, lazy, just wants easy ball, takes his eyes offf the footy when theri is heat in the area but if you give him 4 marks near goal he will kick three goals....
Levi will stay in the team by default for a while but he has to go..I'd rather see Jaksch developed as a leading FF and McKay as our CHF and have Philips or Gorrings as the 2nd ruckman....
Everitt will be traded out IMO at seasons end....
Could've traded Everitt last year but didn't. Thing is he hits the scoreboard more than any player we have. We've become a laughing stock giving away our goalkickers so best not give any more away. Everitt, for all his faults, could kick 30-40, especially in a side better than last year. You won't give that away for anything. He did play 3 finals in 2013 and went well.
Casboult does plenty of good things. If he could only get his kicking even half right (take "half right" as he's never going to be a great kick from 25m) then he could do some damage as he is always going to takes marks and get a few shots at goal. Changes so much if he could as that's 2-3 goals. Maybe if he marks 20m out he can go back and kick it from 50m...lol. He's pretty good from out there. Eventually the likes of McKay, Jaksch and C.Curnow will take over but that's a couple of years away in a couple of those cases. By then Casboult might have over 100 games, with good service, a bonus for a key forward taken way down the rookie list. He needs a second key forward to help him. Not sure he's that good that he can take the whole defence coming to him as our only key forward.
Why would we want someone who can't kick and is soft?
I'm not sure if you're being ironic, but I meant splicing their good qualities together. (as Jimbo has worked out).
Anyone else irked by all the missed tackles last night? I thought it was a major issue.
This was the difference between the first and second halves. First half we tackled the crap out of them... the tiring of our players was noticeable.
Still really not sure how we didn't win that game. Even with their straighter kicking I thought we so far the better than team we should have won by 3-4 goals.
Did anyone else think Kreuz was rather disappointing? Or just average anyway.
Did anyone else think Kreuz was rather disappointing? Or just average anyway.
I would've thought he did a fair bit off the ball?
Pity he didn't take some more marks inside the 50. :(
Some of the balls coming in to our forward line it looked like we had too many going for the mark and spoiling each other.
I would've thought he did a fair bit off the ball?
Pity he didn't take some more marks inside the 50. :(
Some of the balls coming in to our forward line it looked like we had too many going for the mark and spoiling each other.
There was certainly on moment, maybe in the last when Special K and Phillips got in each other's way....
Fev for a comeback?
I'm not sure if you're being ironic, but I meant splicing their good qualities together. (as Jimbo has worked out).
Got it in one, I was hoping there was no need for an explanation.
Getting back to your original question, it's not going to happen obviously so we have to put up with what we have for now, which is not good enough so this is a big reason why we will finish bottom four again
Did anyone else think Kreuz was rather disappointing? Or just average anyway.
I thought that he was the best ruckman on the ground in terms of overall performance. Hammer got more hitouts but did little else. However, Kreuzer seems to do better when he spends most of the time on the ball. Sharing the ruck with Phillips and spending time forward reduces his effectiveness.
As others have suggested, using the resting ruck as a forward is a work in progress and Bolton needs to do some tuning.
Got it in one, I was hoping there was no need for an explanation.
Getting back to your original question, it's not going to happen obviously so we have to put up with what we have for now, which is not good enough so this is a big reason why we will finish bottom four again
I have been reading your posts for many years - I thought it was unlikely you would have misconstrued my message, but I just wanted to be sure.
I think whilst there are no other alternatives, both Cas and Everitt have a place in the team. As I stated earlier, if you play them to their strengths, they both can make valuable contributions.
I have been reading your posts for many years - I thought it was unlikely you would have misconstrued my message, but I just wanted to be sure.
I think whilst there are no other alternatives, both Cas and Everitt have a place in the team. As I stated earlier, if you play them to their strengths, they both can make valuable contributions.
I'm sure Bolton will be pondering how to achieve that and will fine tune our structure until they do so more consistently.
Casboult missed two easy goals but he did a lot of good work. Seven marks, most of them contested or the result of his own efforts, is a good return for a key forward. He was playing on one of the best defenders running around, and managed to crunch him in one contest.
Everitt is not every supporters' ideal footballer but I'd have him in the team as long as he continues to kick goals.
Did anyone else think Kreuz was rather disappointing? Or just average anyway.
Just don't think Kreuzer doesn't go as well when he has to share ruck duties. Reckon Casboult alot goes better when he does a bit of relief rucking, where he can run around and really get his hands on the ball. Hence why I like those two as our ruck combo, with Kreuzer being on the ball most of the day. It suits both.
Buckley put a huge amount of defensive pressure on. The processions and goals will come. I will be surprised if he is dropped.
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A couple of tackles on Houli when he was running through the centre. One was marked by Carlton I think, and one was a turnover that resulted in a goal to us from the turnover. Not a great game but applied pressure with his tackling when he got the opportunity.
They couldn't move in the last five minutes. There were moments when the game was being played in slow motion. And Richmond's older, tougher bodies won out.
Thought our five newbies played well. Wright kicked three goals and while he dropped in and out of the game, I'll take three goals from him anyday.
Phillips rucked very well and did more around the ground in 100 minutes than Warnock did in however many years he was at the club.
Lamb put on great forward pressure even if he didn't get much of the ball.
Weitering was fantastic. Lost his man a couple of times, but was so composed and assured down back.
Kerridge faded in the last quarter. Got plenty of hard ball, and had some great moments, but his kicking wasn't great. Still liked his hard nut play.
Murphy, Simo and Cripps were magnificent. Yes Murph and Cripps struggled in the last, but one is in his third year and the other was under prepared. I adore Cripps.
Everett dropping that mark and Bolt's easy miss were the killers in the end.
Was listening to the game on the radio and we had one rotation left with 7 minutes to go and Richmond had 6 or 7 although not quite sure if that is an accurate number. The last interchange was Murphy coming on for the last 5 mins. So may of contributed to the fade out in the end.
From memory I think Buckley was much better earlier in the game but tailed off a bit as he fatigued. I noticed him later in the game chasing one of the Tiger mids and he was struggling to put one foot in front of the other. He should get better as the season progresses and his fitness improves.
I'm sure Bolton will be pondering how to achieve that and will fine tune our structure until they do so more consistently.
Casboult missed two easy goals but he did a lot of good work. Seven marks, most of them contested or the result of his own efforts, is a good return for a key forward. He was playing on one of the best defenders running around, and managed to crunch him in one contest.
Everitt is not every supporters' ideal footballer but I'd have him in the team as long as he continues to kick goals.
Agree with all this. I would think this issue would be something of a top priority for Bolton.
EDIT : As something of an aside, when you consider :
a. that our forward line is either dysfunctional or non existent (depending on your POV)
b. it was our first serious hit out with a new coach and lots of new players
c. we were playing a finalist from last season with the current AA full back as part of their defense, and
d. missed some easy goals
I guess 83 points isn't a terrible effort, is it ? I know the Tiges were undermanned, but still..........
Good call there PI2C. When he lined up for that deadset gimme in the last, I had no doubts he'd miss, 'cos by then his kicking demons had well and truly settled inside his head. He would've been a mess by then.
He's our version of Cloke. Great mark but cant kick to save himself. Can improve if he works at it as last year proved. Just wondering as he had a PCL injury and a short pre-season if his kicking was effected in the last half due to fatigue?
Agree with all this. I would think this issue would be something of a top priority for Bolton.
EDIT : As something of an aside, when you consider :
a. that our forward line is either dysfunctional or non existent (depending on your POV)
b. it was our first serious hit out with a new coach and lots of new players
c. we were playing a finalist from last season with the current AA full back as part of their defense, and
d. missed some easy goals
I guess 83 points isn't a terrible effort, is it ? I know the Tiges were undermanned, but still..........
Tigers had Deleido, Maric and Grigg out. Only Deleido was really significant, with due respect to the other two.
I'm looking at the stats now. Effective inside 50s Richmond won 59% to 44%, so we weren't that efficient going in, especially when you consider we had 11 more. We actually took more marks inside 50, 18-12, but weren't that accurate.
Tigers had Deleido, Maric and Grigg out. Only Deleido was really significant, with due respect to the other two.
I'm looking at the stats now. Effective inside 50s Richmond won 59% to 44%, so we weren't that efficient going in, especially when you consider we had 11 more. We actually took more marks inside 50, 18-12, but weren't that accurate.
Yes, less efficiency = less reward for effort, which would wear down the best teams after a while.
Good call there PI2C. When he lined up for that deadset gimme in the last, I had no doubts he'd miss, 'cos by then his kicking demons had well and truly settled inside his head. He would've been a mess by then.
“When the big boys are firing and marking it up forward, it’s a real uplifting feeling and it gives us full faith that they’re going to make a contest. It was super by them.” DVR after the NBs win over the Tiggers.
Kerridge did seem to tire but he's our fittest player and was Adelaide's.
Maybe not the fitness of our guys that hurt us in the last quarter but the frenetic game style. All that relentless forward pressure would take more of a toll on our guys than the opposition... maybe.
Not to say it will always be an issue - the players will get used to it and will learn how hard to push without running out of gas completely.
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Needs to kick through the ball from close range. We know he can kick them regularly from 50.
Lockett was as good a kick for goal as any I have seen and he never kicked right through the ball every shot. Lockett took the golf approach, in close he kicked a wedge, inside 40m he kicked a 5-Iron and from 50m out he took out the driver. Diesel Williams was the same. They both basically had two or three set lengths they kicked subject to range.
Go back over videos and watch Fev, Carey, Bosustow, Bradley, etc., etc.., etc.. They all drop the ball from about hip height, as does Casboult, Riewoldt, Franklin, Walker, etc., etc..
It's sh1t easy for these blokes to carry on about ball drop, but the truth shows on the footage as long as you are prepared to ignore their hollow words.
It's sh1t easy for these blokes to carry on about ball drop, but the truth shows on the footage as long as you are prepared to ignore their words.
I wonder how much the problem is hand size and not ball drop. I know that small handed players are better shooters in basketball as they have less surface area covered which equates to less places that a touch will alter the balls trajectory.
Stew Lowe was always considered a great mark thanks to his bucket hands much the same as Levi, I just wonder if a minimal grip would better?
I wonder how much the problem is hand size and not ball drop. I know that small handed players are better shooters in basketball as they have less surface area covered which equates to less places that a touch will alter the balls trajectory.
Stew Lowe was always considered a great mark thanks to his bucket hands much the same as Levi, I just wonder if a minimal grip would better?
Hand size might be one, foot size could be a factor too. I imagine those with big hands have big feet too.
I wonder how much the problem is hand size and not ball drop. I know that small handed players are better shooters in basketball as they have less surface area covered which equates to less places that a touch will alter the balls trajectory.
Stew Lowe was always considered a great mark thanks to his bucket hands much the same as Levi, I just wonder if a minimal grip would better?
This is really the reason why I'd love Casboult to get some one on one training from Fev.
Fev worked through similar issues with close in shots and modified his grip on the ball to improve reliability within 25m to 30m range. With Fev it was basically tension in arms and hands caused by worrying about that close in miss. Nobody can argue Fev had a bad kicking action, but he suffered similar reliability issues in close. Fev could miss everything from 20m out, but drill 4 out of 5 shots from 50m, just like Casboult does when he is warming up!
Casboult doesn't need a technique coach, he needs to understand why he has those problems inside F50 and how to avoid them.
Kerridge did seem to tire but he's our fittest player and was Adelaide's.
Maybe not the fitness of our guys that hurt us in the last quarter but the frenetic game style. All that relentless forward pressure would take more of a toll on our guys than the opposition... maybe.
Not to say it will always be an issue - the players will get used to it and will learn how hard to push without running out of gas completely.
Maybe Kerridge is having to do a lot more work in his role for us than he did at the Crows where game style is probably different and there were more mature options also available?
On the bright side, Collingwood's on the bottom, although Freo might give them a run.
On the bright side, Collingwood's on the bottom, although Freo might give them a run.
Collingwood and Essendon are the bottom two. It looks very nice! ;D
Maybe Kerridge is having to do a lot more work in his role for us than he did at the Crows where game style is probably different and there were more mature options also available?
Dangerman, Thompson and Sloane is a fair lineup of ballwinning ability to be playing behind.....Thompson just doesnt stop getting the ball and absorbs punishment better than most..Kerridge looked knackered with the workload...the fresher Lambert and Townsend in particular hurt us and our 2nd and 3rd string mids didnt cut it in the last quarter..
Kerridge is a good footballer but you have to rest him at some stage no matter how fit he is....
Kerridge gives 100% and goes hard but lacks a little polish e.g clean hands. Was a bit fumbly below his knees on Thursday but looks a solid, decent player. If he is the "Bell replacement" then he looks a more than capable replacement.
We still need more mids developing on slow heat.
On the bright side, Collingwood's on the bottom, although Freo might give them a run.
According to my maths Freo are on the bottom.
According to my maths Freo are on the bottom.
I can live with that.
Collingwood have only just given Buckley a two year extension, why is it that footy clubs keep making the same mistakes over and over again?
The only club champions as coach which have been successful in the last 30 years have been Roos at Sydney and Worsfold at WCE, and they only yielded a single flag each.
Despite his one eyed boosters Ratten at Carlton was a disaster, along with Hird at Essendon and Voss at Brisbane, and I'm tipping that Buckley will go the same way as the others.
Yes, we should've got Malthouse much sooner. That Ratten, what a hack..........
Yes, we should've got Malthouse much sooner. That Ratten, what a hack..........
Ratten had five and a half years, Malthouse a little over two, yet here we are now needing an almost total rebuild of our playing list.
They were both disastrous appointments, for different reasons.
We may have finally got it right this time but it's come over a decade late.
Choco Williams?
Ratten had five and a half years, Malthouse a little over two, yet here we are now needing an almost total rebuild of our playing list.
They were both disastrous appointments, for different reasons.
We may have finally got it right this time but it's come over a decade late.
Rattan was far from a disastrous appointment.
Our board at the time was but not Ratts.
Rattan was far from a disastrous appointment.
Our board at the time was but not Ratts.
I'm not surprised that many Carlton supporters still believe that Ratten was a good appointment, just as many Essendon supporters still believe in Hird and the great majority of Collingwood supporters are behind Buckley.
Meanwhile clubs like Hawthorn and Geelong who adopt a pragmatic and rational approach will continue to succeed.
I'm not surprised that many Carlton supporters still believe that Ratten was a good appointment, just as many Essendon supporters still believe in Hird and the great majority of Collingwood supporters are behind Buckley.
Meanwhile clubs like Hawthorn and Geelong who adopt a pragmatic and rational approach will continue to succeed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of those who was quite happy to get Malthouse ?
Darren got us back on our feet after Pagan, can't bag him for that. Would have made a prelim but for bodgy officiating.
Darren got us back on our feet after Pagan, can't bag him for that. Would have made a prelim but for bodgy officiating.
Either your spell checker is having a giggle at your expense, or you know something about our coaching history that we don't.
Spell checker? Random word substituter more like it.
Spell checker? Random word substituter more like it.
It happens to all of us at some point.
Darren got us back on our feet after Pagan, can't bag him for that. Would have made a prelim but for bodgy officiating.
And from there, with a fit Gibbs, Kreuzer and Waite coming in for the prelim, who knows?
And from there, with a fit Gibbs, Kreuzer and Waite coming in for the prelim, who knows?
Aaawwww Carrots you tease us with these 'what if's'. ;) We were so close :(
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of those who was quite happy to get Malthouse ?
I was happy to see the back of Ratten and thought that virtually anyone would be step forward.
In hindsight I don't think Malthouse was ever 100% committed to the CFC, I think he took the job to satisfy his ego and to prove others wrong.
Between the two of them we blew 8 years which we'll never get back.
And from there, with a fit Gibbs, Kreuzer and Waite coming in for the prelim, who knows?
Coodabeens!!!!
I'm not surprised that many Carlton supporters still believe that Ratten was a good appointment, just as many Essendon supporters still believe in Hird and the great majority of Collingwood supporters are behind Buckley.
Yet Thursday's game plan was far far closer to Ratten's own plan than the last few years of Malthouse!
But you are seriously deranged if you think Ratten and Carlton supporters assessment of Ratten is in anyway comparable to Hird and EFC supporters blind faith in Hird! You should apologise to all Carlton supporters for that one! :o
B4L wanted Ratten gone for a long time and was a big advocate for Mick, no wonder he's playing the 'all Rattens fault' card.
Yet Thursday's game plan was far far closer to Ratten's own plan than the last few years of Malthouse!
But you are seriously deranged if you think Ratten and Carlton supporters assessment of Ratten is in anyway comparable to Hird and EFC supporters blind faith in Hird! You should apologise to all Carlton supporters for that one! :o
It was closer when we were going forward... maybe, but this time we had a defence plan.
And a coach who didn't munch out on snakes all game. ;)
It was closer when we were going forward... maybe, but this time we had a defence plan.
And a coach who didn't munch out on snakes all game. ;)
I remember Dermott Brereton talking about his playing days with Lethal. DB was concerned about one particular upcoming opponent, and their ability to score heavily (I don't remember whether it was because Hawthorn's defense was undermanned, or because this was a high scoring team). At any rate, when DB broached the topic, Lethal just said, "don't worry, however much they score, we'll just score more."
Voila, Ratt's game plan.
I like snakes.
It was closer when we were going forward... maybe, but this time we had a defence plan.
And a coach who didn't munch out on snakes all game. ;)
Gave the Coke Zero a hiding though ;) :P
Yet Thursday's game plan was far far closer to Ratten's own plan than the last few years of Malthouse!
But you are seriously deranged if you think Ratten and Carlton supporters assessment of Ratten is in anyway comparable to Hird and EFC supporters blind faith in Hird! You should apologise to all Carlton supporters for that one! :o
I said many, not all, Carlton supporters, but delusion among supporters isn't exclusive to Essendon by any means.
General rule of thumb, don't employ a club champion as your senior coach, when you inevitably need to sack him it's like shooting Bambi.
I said many, not all, Carlton supporters, but delusion among supporters isn't exclusive to Essendon by any means.
General rule of thumb, don't employ a club champion as your senior coach, when you inevitably need to sack him it's like shooting Bambi.
Every supporter, irrespective of which coach/team/player they back, thinks of themselves as realists and clear thinkers.
I said many, not all, Carlton supporters, but delusion among supporters isn't exclusive to Essendon by any means.
General rule of thumb, don't employ a club champion as your senior coach, when you inevitably need to sack him it's like shooting Bambi.
Yet we won flags under Walls and Jesaulenko! ;)
B4L wanted Ratten gone for a long time and was a big advocate for Mick, no wonder he's playing the 'all Rattens fault' card.
Yes, he sure got that one wrong...lol.
Yet we won flags under Walls and Jesaulenko! ;)
and Nicholls :D
and Nicholls :D
B4L did say the last 30 years Lods ;)
Not that I think great players can't go on to be great coaches at the same club. We'll never know how successful Ratten could have been with us but, despite the bleating from the Malthouse apologists, he dragged us from the bottom into the finals.
I think that one of the key factors is ensuring that the coach, whether he is a club great or not, has done an apprenticeship, preferably with a successful team, and has coached in his/her own right. I reckon Ratten would be a much better coach now than when he got the job with us.
The 'can't be a coach at your old club' mantra is a little like the 'can't be an AFL coach if you haven't played at AFL level' furphy.
It was interesting listening to the ABC today. Of course a lot of the talk was about Fremantle, the Bulldogs, the Swans and Collingwood but one of the commentators kept referring back to our game. He was making the point that, if a couple of relatively easy goals had been scored, the conversation would have been all about the wooden spooners defeating a top four contender. Yes, our 22 was strengthened by a couple of new blokes and the return of Gibbs, but the turnaround is really down to Bolton. How good is it to have a coach who actually knows what he is doing?
B4L did say the last 30 years Lods ;)
Well that excludes Jezza too and Walls only just scrapes in.
B4L's point has a certain validity too it.
It is a difficult task to sack a club legend (like shooting Bambi).
...and club legends don't necessarily make great coaches.
B4L did say the last 30 years Lods ;)
Not that I think great players can't go on to be great coaches at the same club. We'll never know how successful Ratten could have been with us but, despite the bleating from the Malthouse apologists, he dragged us from the bottom into the finals.
I think that one of the key factors is ensuring that the coach, whether he is a club great or not, has done an apprenticeship, preferably with a successful team, and has coached in his/her own right. I reckon Ratten would be a much better coach now than when he got the job with us.
The 'can't be a coach at your old club' mantra is a little like the 'can't be an AFL coach if you haven't played at AFL level' furphy.
It was interesting listening to the ABC today. Of course a lot of the talk was about Fremantle, the Bulldogs, the Swans and Collingwood but one of the commentators kept referring back to our game. He was making the point that, if a couple of relatively easy goals had been scored, the conversation would have been all about the wooden spooners defeating a top four contender. Yes, our 22 was strengthened by a couple of new blokes and the return of Gibbs, but the turnaround is really down to Bolton. How good is it to have a coach who actually knows what he is doing?
I think you might be over looking something.
It's great to have a club that seems to finally all be moving in the same direction together.
We have arrived where we are as a product of what has occurred since 2004. the draft penalties effect is still there.
Even now Wells and Goddard are playing good footy, and their clubs have reaped the rewards of compensation picks we missed out on.
Pagan has had his involvement.
Ratten has had his involvement.
Malthouse has had his involvement.
All the assistant coaches have done their bit.
We have learned lessons and we will be a better club for it.
Yes Bolton deserves credit, but we can't know the effect the others have had. Some will despite the best grumblings of the Malthouse opposers have learned stuff from him. Even if that was what not to do.
We are all shaped by things that have occurred. Even the whole way it ended for Malthouse could be something that resulted in us being left with only people that really want to be at our footy club.
Yes, our 22 was strengthened by a couple of new blokes and the return of Gibbs, but the turnaround is really down to Bolton. How good is it to have a coach who actually knows what he is doing?
What turnaround? I'm a Bolton fan but he has achieved nothing yet.
What turnaround? I'm a Bolton fan but he has achieved nothing yet.
x2.
If we start winning and win 8+ games for the year, yep a step forward, win 3 -6 odd and meh, any mug could achieve that. Not that winning games are the only measure of improvement granted.....
End of the day, our list is far from as bad as most say, even most on this forum.
Just a bunch of serial under performers (relative to potential) eg Gibbs, Murphy (overall) or perennially injury eg Kreuzer, Thomas, Jamo, 1AW - combined a bunch of guys who lack or lost the ability to win.
What turnaround? I'm a Bolton fan but he has achieved nothing yet.
Turnaround ie we no longer have a prehistoric gameplan and are pleasant to watch. The players seem to have the right attitude. That is a huge achievement so far considering the mess malthouse left us in.
Yes, he sure got that one wrong...lol.
At no stage did I pump up for Malthouse's appointment as senior coach, but I disagreed with Ratten's appointment from day one and was happy to see him gone.
Wanting Ratten gone and being a Malthouse fanboi are not one and the same thing, in fact I've never been particularly taken with Malthouse.
The club butchered both appointments, just as they butchered the two senior coaching appointments prior to them, and just as they butchered the national draft for well over a decade.
It should come as no surprise to any Carlton supporters that we find ourselves on the bottom again and starting from ground zero, inept management of the magnitude that we've practiced since the 1990's comes at a heavy cost.
At no stage did I pump up for Malthouse's appointment as senior coach, but I disagreed with Ratten's appointment from day one and was happy to see him gone.
Even before he took us to the finals, and still afterwards! :o
Coaches votes
Carlton v Richmond
10 Kane Lambert (Rich)
6 Marc Murphy (Carl)
6 Alex Rance (Rich)
4 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
3 Sam Docherty (Carl)
1 Patrick Cripps (Carl)
Wow so Lambert gets the coach's votes, well done to the kid. Really surprised Cripps only got 1. Shows how much I know.
Coaches votes
Carlton v Richmond
10 Kane Lambert (Rich)
6 Marc Murphy (Carl)
6 Alex Rance (Rich)
4 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
3 Sam Docherty (Carl)
1 Patrick Cripps (Carl)
Pretty accurate appraisal, Rance was good early, Lambert gave them drive late. But that is the story of a opportunity wasted, we had 4 of the best 6 and lost! :(
Coaches votes
Carlton v Richmond
10 Kane Lambert (Rich)
6 Marc Murphy (Carl)
6 Alex Rance (Rich)
4 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
3 Sam Docherty (Carl)
1 Patrick Cripps (Carl)
I would have had Martin in those votes, I thought he was influential enough to help change the game....
Lambert hurts being a ex Northern Blue and a player who we all pontificated about for a few years...
That voting reads as if only the last 15 minutes counted.... Dusty kept them in it for three quarterd.
That voting reads as if only the last 15 minutes counted.... Dusty kept them in it for three quarterd.
Lambert had 28 possessions the most for 9thmond and topped their rankings, he had the equal game high tackles and also took the most marks for them! :o
That voting reads as if only the last 15 minutes counted.... Dusty kept them in it for three quarterd.
I agree. Lambert wasn't sighted in the first half. Didn't deserve 10.
I agree. Lambert wasn't sighted in the first half. Didn't deserve 10.
Really?? ?? ?? Did you turn on at 1/2 time?
Really?? ?? ?? Did you turn on at 1/2 time?
Lambert scored 2/3rds of his SuperCoach points after half time.
Lambert was just about the last guy powering on all cylinders.
He's also bulked waaay up.
Yeah. I'd love to know who was minding him. Couldn't tell as he was often on his own.
Daniel Cherny's votes for the Age footballer of the year:
Marc Murphy (Carlton) 8
Bryce Gibbs (Carlton) 7
Kane Lambert (Richmond) 7
Ty Vickery (Richmond) 7
Sam Lloyd (Richmond) 6
I'm not sure how Vickery got in there. He did kick 3 goals but did bugger all else. No love for Martin either. I guess he wasn't all that consistent.
Cherny was watching a different game to the one I saw. Vickery had a 10 minute patch but did F all the rest of the game. Lloyd.... Other than a snap in the last did nuthin... Martin was their only effective mid for the first three-quarters.
I would have had Martin in those votes, I thought he was influential enough to help change the game....
Lambert hurts being a ex Northern Blue and a player who we all pontificated about for a few years...
Agree EB, I thought Martin kept them in the game at critical points. Did some unbelievable bullocking work and set up a few goals IIRC.
I would have had Martin in those votes, I thought he was influential enough to help change the game....
Lambert hurts being a ex Northern Blue and a player who we all pontificated about for a few years...
Lambert scored 2/3rds of his SuperCoach points after half time.
So if he hadn't improved so much in the second half he would have ranked roughly equal to Martin. ;)
How did Martin's ratings go quarter by quarter?