Not sure how everyone else feels but I have no interest in us playing finals. If we finish ninth and we are promoted as is most likely can and should we refuse?
I think it would be admirable and beneficial for the club to do so.
Just not a top eight side this year and absolutely should not take part in this years finals under any circumstance.
I certainly will not be attending a final if we are elevated.
How does everyone else feel a out it???
Not sure how everyone else feels but I have no interest in us playing finals. If we finish ninth and we are promoted as is most likely can and should we refuse?
I think it would be admirable and beneficial for the club to do so.
Just not a top eight side this year and absolutely should not take part in this years finals under any circumstance.
I certainly will not be attending a final if we are elevated.
How does everyone else feel a out it???
Only Kernahan would say no
What a stupid OP.
Yeah, lets turn down a final. Lets lose a few hundred k.
Lets not develop the players by not exposing them to the heat of finals.
Lets do that.
Grow a brain.
Ted you should grow a brain. We don't deserve it
What a stupid OP.
Yeah, lets turn down a final. Lets lose a few hundred k.
Lets not develop the players by not exposing them to the heat of finals.
Lets do that.
Grow a brain.
I say you are the stupid one mate!!!
Lets let a list that is front running and mentally weak get an undeserved shot at a finals series.
Get back in your box tex!
Of course we wont turn it down for the reasons mentioned above.....but from a personal viewpoint I'm not one bit enthused by the fact that we're likely to make up the numbers in a final series by default.
Yep, the assistance Essendon had from their supplement program might have made a difference and we perhaps should be there in that eighth spot by rights but it just doesn't feel like an achievement to me.
Just a personal feeling in the light of a bad result perhaps.
:-\
Of course we wont turn it down for the reasons mentioned above.....but from a personal viewpoint I'm not one bit enthused by the fact that we're likely to make up the numbers in a final series by default.
Yep, the assistance Essendon had from their supplement program might have made a difference and we perhaps should be there in that eighth spot by rights but it just doesn't feel like an achievement to me.
Just a personal feeling in the light of a bad result perhaps.
:-\
I agree. Making up the numbers isn't the same as earning a place. a win tonight would have made it feel different.
What a stupid OP.
Yeah, lets turn down a final. Lets lose a few hundred k.
Lets not develop the players by not exposing them to the heat of finals.
Lets do that.
Grow a brain.
I say you are the stupid one mate!!!
Lets let a list that is front running and mentally weak get an undeserved shot at a finals series.
Get back in your box tex!
Okay Jkr you've told me, I'll get back in my box. :)) :))
How do you think the players will benefit by NOT playing a final? Do you think it will make them 'hurt' a little bit so they want it more next year? :)) No.
By playing a final (and probably losing), the players will learn about whats required to compete at the higher level.
Who cares if its deserved or not. Fact is, we can only gain by playing a final. Only the mentally challenged would argue otherwise - for future reference, Jkr, if you could please clarify if you are or are not mentally challenged that would be appreciated.
Meh who cares if we play finals. Our real test was against Freo a few weeks back and we folded. Playing finals by default, it's almost like paying for sex, the thrill of the chase is non existent and there's just no satisfaction.
What a stupid OP.
Yeah, lets turn down a final. Lets lose a few hundred k.
Lets not develop the players by not exposing them to the heat of finals.
Lets do that.
Grow a brain.
Karma for Tex.
Meh who cares if we play finals. Our real test was against Freo a few weeks back and we folded. Playing finals by default, it's almost like paying for sex, the thrill of the chase is non existent and there's just no satisfaction.
Depends where you finish, I suppose....
I see it this way: We get to replace those cheating scumbags. Think of it like the '99 prelim, we didn't deserve to be in the GF, but feck it felt good to deprive that scum of the flag. Plus we should also get a soft draw next year for technically finishing 9th.
What a stupid OP.
Yeah, lets turn down a final. Lets lose a few hundred k.
Lets not develop the players by not exposing them to the heat of finals.
Lets do that.
Grow a brain.
I say you are the stupid one mate!!!
Lets let a list that is front running and mentally weak get an undeserved shot at a finals series.
Get back in your box tex!
Okay Jkr you've told me, I'll get back in my box. :)) :))
How do you think the players will benefit by NOT playing a final? Do you think it will make them 'hurt' a little bit so they want it more next year? :)) No.
By playing a final (and probably losing), the players will learn about whats required to compete at the higher level.
Who cares if its deserved or not. Fact is, we can only gain by playing a final. Only the mentally challenged would argue otherwise - for future reference, Jkr, if you could please clarify if you are or are not mentally challenged that would be appreciated.
You are a moron Tex!
I'd be happy to line up my person achievements next to yours face to face any time!
What a stupid OP.
Yeah, lets turn down a final. Lets lose a few hundred k.
Lets not develop the players by not exposing them to the heat of finals.
Lets do that.
Grow a brain.
I say you are the stupid one mate!!!
Lets let a list that is front running and mentally weak get an undeserved shot at a finals series.
Get back in your box tex!
Okay Jkr you've told me, I'll get back in my box. :)) :))
How do you think the players will benefit by NOT playing a final? Do you think it will make them 'hurt' a little bit so they want it more next year? :)) No.
By playing a final (and probably losing), the players will learn about whats required to compete at the higher level.
Who cares if its deserved or not. Fact is, we can only gain by playing a final. Only the mentally challenged would argue otherwise - for future reference, Jkr, if you could please clarify if you are or are not mentally challenged that would be appreciated.
You are a moron Tex!
I'd be happy to line up my person achievements next to yours face to face any time!
What are person achievements? Do you mean personal achievements?
What a stupid OP.
Yeah, lets turn down a final. Lets lose a few hundred k.
Lets not develop the players by not exposing them to the heat of finals.
Lets do that.
Grow a brain.
I say you are the stupid one mate!!!
Lets let a list that is front running and mentally weak get an undeserved shot at a finals series.
Get back in your box tex!
Okay Jkr you've told me, I'll get back in my box. :)) :))
How do you think the players will benefit by NOT playing a final? Do you think it will make them 'hurt' a little bit so they want it more next year? :)) No.
By playing a final (and probably losing), the players will learn about whats required to compete at the higher level.
Who cares if its deserved or not. Fact is, we can only gain by playing a final. Only the mentally challenged would argue otherwise - for future reference, Jkr, if you could please clarify if you are or are not mentally challenged that would be appreciated.
You are a moron Tex!
I'd be happy to line up my person achievements next to yours face to face any time!
What are person achievements? Do you mean personal achievements?
No I meant person achievements. Of course I meant personal achievements wordsmith.
I personally, will be embarrassed if we make the 8 by default......a more thoroughly un-deserved 'achievement' I will never have seen.
I personally, will be embarrassed if we make the 8 by default......a more thoroughly un-deserved 'achievement' I will never have seen.
Agree....will just be a un -deserved false dawn...we lost the elimination final tonight and Essendon still have their boot on our throat as usual.....
we lost the elimination final tonight and Essendon still have their boot on our throat as usual.....
Go back further than that - Bulldogs game? Freo beat us up at home and Essendon always knew they could beat us up and we'd take it.
All our own fault, can't kick 22 behinds and expect to win games.
Carlton are rubbish and simply pretenders. The development at this club over the years has been appalling and we're paying for it.
Reckon the AFL will let Essendon keep their premiership points after tonight - wont want the embarrassment of us making the finals.
Wow port will finish above us.
Lets just dwell on that fact for a moment.
What would be embarrassing is if we lose again next week and we still make it.
Reckon the AFL will let Essendon keep their premiership points after tonight - wont want the embarrassment of us making the finals.
Great call right there.
I honestly hope to God Norf knock of the Filth next week, we their % at 120 odd, they will go in ahead of us. They deserve it more than our pea hearts.
We do not deserve to be in the finals. If we make it, then our time there will be very brief and painful.
The only positive would be that we could have our younger players experience the finals' experience, the big stage, the crowd and the pressure. That would help many of them. But that would be about it.
I honestly hope to God Norf knock of the Filth next week, we their % at 120 odd, they will go in ahead of us. They deserve it more than our pea hearts.
If that does happen North would then play Collingwood again the next week.
I honestly hope to God Norf knock of the Filth next week, we their % at 120 odd, they will go in ahead of us. They deserve it more than our pea hearts.
If that does happen North would then play Collingwood again the next week.
and would be every chance to knock the off. As opposed to our bunch of softies who will go into a game touted as being "Master vs Apprentice" only to embarrass themselves and the club once again. No thanks. Lets focus on next year starting today.
Don't want to play finals - just prolongs our agony - don't think MM would want to either. The Roos would definitely be worthier - gee that hurt!
For me the 2013 season is over - the large lady has sung.
Making finals probably would play havoc with the mind set of this group but you imagine the AFL's reaction to a forfeit. We'd never get a free kick again.
We'll win next week because we would've been embarrassed into it. Prefer we win because we consistently work hard rather than be embarrassed into it. We'd possible end up with a nervous Richmond first week, beat them them embarrass ourselves no end the week after with another gutless performance just as we built a little false hope. Sounds a familiar story.
Wallpaper over the cracks just nicely unfortunately.
Only reason i'd take finals is you can't buy that experience for players like Graham, Menzel, Casboult or any other young bloke we decide to pick.
We'll win next week because we would've been embarrassed into it. Prefer we win because we consistently work hard rather than be embarrassed into it. We'd possible end up with a nervous Richmond first week, beat them them embarrass ourselves no end the week after with another gutless performance just as we built a little false hope. Sounds a familiar story.
Wallpaper over the cracks just nicely unfortunately.
Look at our past month: out-of-our depth loss to Freo, meek capitulation & outplayed by the Bulldogs, faith-restoring win over a lazy Richmond, weak-minded & skill-less loss to a terrible Essendon team......classic wallpaper-over-the-cracks win last week in every respect. There's one giant common denominator over-riding last week's win.
We'll win next week because we would've been embarrassed into it. Prefer we win because we consistently work hard rather than be embarrassed into it. We'd possible end up with a nervous Richmond first week, beat them them embarrass ourselves no end the week after with another gutless performance just as we built a little false hope. Sounds a familiar story.
Wallpaper over the cracks just nicely unfortunately.
Look at our past month: out-of-our depth loss to Freo, meek capitulation & outplayed by the Bulldogs, faith-restoring win over a lazy Richmond, weak-minded & skill-less loss to a terrible Essendon team......classic wallpaper-over-the-cracks win last week in every respect. There's one giant common denominator over-riding last week's win.
We are highly consistent at being inconsistent in our workrate and performance. I learn that anything can happen, which, essentially, isn't good enough. I want that week in/week out. Richmond game only demonstrated to us that we CAN play, so really, that just makes it worse.
Other than giving our young blokes valuable finals experience the only other reason I'd want it is it's Essendon spot we're taking.
Have been too angry to turn on my computer till now.
We wont get elevated anyway because knowing us, Norf will beat Collingwood and we will get smashed by Port. Problem solved no final
It would be sweet if we snuck in and took out the filth in an elimination final.
The truth is ya takes whats ya can get.
If someone gifts us a final we'll take it.
If its against the Tigers we (the supporters) will be pumped harder than Hirdy's knob after a shot of the good stuff.
If we win that 25% of (CSC) people will start talking flag, make no mistake.
Do we deserve it? Probably not, but did we deserve to have our season derailed by a juiced up bunch of drug cheats last year? Hell no.
Did we get robbed in that semi final at Subi? Fck yeah.
So it's the rub of the green, but for me that's the biggest problem. We have not had one fcking, tiny little thing go our way in 10 years but it wouldn't matter anyway because even if we had we'd fck it up.
So that's my take. Don't deserve it, will take it, but we won't get it and if we did we'd fck it up anyway by losing to Port next week.
If we make finals then we cop the better teams twice next year dont we?....get a worse draft pick as well.....
If we make finals then we cop the better teams twice next year dont we?....get a worse draft pick as well.....
We lose next week, Brisbane beat the Dogs today and Geelong next week and problem solved. Hang on North beat Collingwood next week and problem solved. Hang on again, Eagles or Crows smash each other on the score board. Either will do and problem solved. Just might need to lose to Port by a decent margin first. :o
I don't post alot...but i really cant believe what i'm reading. i was there last night just as angry as any of us. people saying if we deserve to be there or not.. WHO freaking cares if we deserve to be there or not . Thats stkilda or melbourne pussy mentality....
we are carlton stop being bitches .
"You miss 100% of the shots, you don't take "
We were under maned last night! And took on a decent playing list with its back hard up against the wall !
I don't post alot...but i really cant believe what i'm reading. i was there last night just as angry as any of us. people saying if we deserve to be there or not.. WHO freaking cares if we deserve to be there or not . Thats stkilda or melbourne pussy mentality....
we are carlton stop being bitches .
"You miss 100% of the shots, you don't take "
We were under maned last night! And took on a decent playing list with its back hard up against the wall !
Well said, and everything you say makes sense but you've got to expect people to be a little bit pissed after a loss like last night. I'm sure if we get in everyone will be 100% behind the boys.
I don't post alot...but i really cant believe what i'm reading. i was there last night just as angry as any of us. people saying if we deserve to be there or not.. WHO freaking cares if we deserve to be there or not . Thats stkilda or melbourne pussy mentality....
we are carlton stop being bitches .
"You miss 100% of the shots, you don't take "
We were under maned last night! And took on a decent playing list with its back hard up against the wall !
Well said, and everything you say makes sense but you've got to expect people to be a little bit pissed after a loss like last night. I'm sure if we get in everyone will be 100% behind the boys.
I have never been so angry after a game in my life.
I have never been so angry after a game in my life.
+1. Still.
It would be sweet if we snuck in and took out the filth in an elimination final.
Ha! Ha! Wouldn't that be a treat. I can't believe we would ever do it but it's nice to dream. If we go in by default, personally I would feel it was a shallow victory as we are not worthy. Think a few of the players would too and play accordingly. Would still go to the final hough. I'm a glutten for punishment.
By the way I think we will beat Port next week.
I have never been so angry after a game in my life.
+1. Still.
Ive actually calmed down now and my blind rage has passed. I actually want to take the Cheating Scums spot in the finals now more than ever. Why? So I can rub their drug ridden faces right back into it and know that it will piss them off no end. Fark CheatsFC.
On a positive note looks more and more likely that if we get in we will play ninthmond
OUR BITCHES ;)
If we make finals then we cop the better teams twice next year dont we?....get a worse draft pick as well.....
The difference between 8th and 9th in which teams you play twice probably isn't going to be all that great. We'd jump up a draft pick but Essendon will be stripped of their picks so we'd get the same pick as if we finished 9th. If we don't take a pick past round 4, then it should make no difference at all.
If we make finals then we cop the better teams twice next year dont we?....get a worse draft pick as well.....
The difference between 8th and 9th in which teams you play twice probably isn't going to be all that great. We'd jump up a draft pick but Essendon will be stripped of their picks so we'd get the same pick as if we finished 9th. If we don't take a pick past round 4, then it should make no difference at all.
Good points LLT. ;)
Like most of us, I'm still fuming and my belief in this club is shot.
I will suppoort them for life, but they will have to work hard to restore my faith in them. I feel totally hollow.
However, if the finals spot becomes available, I will accpet it happily as I believe that everyone of the Carlton faithful deserve something positive, even if we do get blown away, for the crap we have had to endure in the last decade.
I don't post alot...but i really cant believe what i'm reading. i was there last night just as angry as any of us. people saying if we deserve to be there or not.. WHO freaking cares if we deserve to be there or not . Thats stkilda or melbourne pussy mentality....
we are carlton stop being bitches .
"You miss 100% of the shots, you don't take "
We were under maned last night! And took on a decent playing list with its back hard up against the wall !
Well said, and everything you say makes sense but you've got to expect people to be a little bit pissed after a loss like last night. I'm sure if we get in everyone will be 100% behind the boys.
Absolutely, and I'm with you eddieg, despite this loss of all losses, I don't get (if the situation arises) why any team lower than us on the ladder "deserves" to get promoted to the 8 ahead of us ? We're higher on the ladder, end of story. Kangas have a had a heap of "brave/heartbreaking" losses...well guess what....so have we, and we beat them a couple of weeks ago. Why the hell do they deserve a spot in our place ?
I'll take it, my oath I will.....especially if we play the Tigers in a first up final.
cheers
Mal.
If we make finals then we cop the better teams twice next year dont we?....get a worse draft pick as well.....
No, not necessarily. We'll still play Essendon, Collingwood and Richmond twice.
Even when we made finals we still only got to play Hawthorn, Freo, Sydney and Geelong once.
The way to say No to a finals spot is to pick Davies, Collins, Mitchell, McCarthy etc and tank it...
The way to say No a finals spot is to pick Davies, Collins, Mitchell, McCarthy etc and tank it...
;D
The way to say No to a finals spot is to pick Davies, Collins, Mitchell, McCarthy etc and tank it...
Can any of these guys kick a footy between the big posts ? It could come back to bite you Elwood.
The way to say No to a finals spot is to pick Davies, Collins, Mitchell, McCarthy etc and tank it...
Can any of these guys kick a footy between the big posts ? It could come back to bite you Elwood.
Mants...If Luke Mitchell could get the footy ,kick six goals and show something vs Port I would be happy to be bitten.
Ditto for McCarthy.....alas however I dont see it happening and we might fall into the eight only to be knocked out of it by Ninthmond and that
would complete our humiliation for the year. I'm not sure I want to see us end the season that way...
JKR, JKR, JKR, JKR??
Anyone keen to give up our finals spot now?
I'm sure James Brayshaw would be happy to take your call.
Anyone?? Anyone???
Lol