Not looking forward to this after tonight, but at the MCG and with Kreuzer back we will be better.
100 point loss.
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Have to rest some of the kids and play seasoned bodies.
Sydney defensively are stronger then port.
Go on with a similar young side and we will be lucky to score a goal.
Hope Kreuzer gets up.
Which young player do we drop? Despite our recent performance, I don't think there are any obvious axings. Pickett for Smedts and Polson for Kerridge?
Which young player do we drop? Despite our recent performance, I don't think there are any obvious axings. Pickett for Smedts and Polson for Kerridge?
Therein is what we have to deal with RE. Apart from Kreuzer the players we can bring in will only serve to rest our youngsters. Which ones of those need a rest most. I'd suggest Weitering for sure and maybe Cripps.
I dont ever remember talking about players being "sore" after 4 or 5 rounds. Has the game changed that much? Kruze and Daisy missed. Murphy looked shot last night despite a full pre season. I reckon his knees are troubling him again. He has been wearing tape every game just below the knee cap. Some weeks on both, last night just one. He was limping fairly noticeably when he tried to sprint, couldn't catch a cold last night. Simmo and Doc also looked a little "stiff" at times.
After giving Polson a taste I'd "rest" him in at Preston, Fisher maybe the same. Flyweights don't work against the swans, their mids are too hard at it.
I'd like to see hard running options across the wings, certainly at least one of Smedts, Kerridge or Cunners. Our spread was poor, but if you lose the rucks it doesn't matter, you're chasing bums.
I'd be tempted to play Jones as a mobile utility, although I doubt he has the endurance. I think we need another bigger option on the bench.
Let's see who puts their hand up today in the NBs.
Therein is what we have to deal with RE. Apart from Kreuzer the players we can bring in will only serve to rest our youngsters. Which ones of those need a rest most. I'd suggest Weitering for sure and maybe Cripps.
Cookie - why does Weitering and Cripps need a rest. Its only round 5!
Ive noticed ately as soon as one of our more senior players have a quiet game the word 'injured' or 'needs a rest' is instantly raised. Sometimes fit and healthy footballers don't play to their ability. Happens every week.
Weitering is a kid who had a poor game - Ball delivery to him was terrible so life was made very hard for a player with only one year under his belt.
As for Cripps I thought he was close to his best last night - especially when you consider we were without a decent ruckman and still managed over 35 mostly inside touches. He will never be that explosive type so regardless of his fitness level you wont see him tearing away from a contested situation - he is bloody good at his trade but he is a bit one dimensional so until we get mids in or kids developed to do the outside running I think his flaws will be highlighted more. He always looks stuffed - maybe cause he cops more inside contact then any other blues player.
I do agree that apart from Kreuzer any senior replacements in this week will not be in our long term plans but still I think Bolts will need to bring some more experience in this week -Swans are a very seasoned and tough outfit and Fisher/Polsen types just don't look to have the bodies at this early stage to go with them.
Agree with all that Shawny.
Weitering needs a rest because he's looked like a shot unit for since he copped that knock in the first round. The kids been battered around in a similar manner to Marc Murphy in his early years.
If wins aren't important...and they're obviously not despite comments to the contrary... rest them as required.
We'll reap the benefits in 2022 ::)
Weitering needs a rest because he's looked like a shot unit for since he copped that knock in the first round. The kids been battered around in a similar manner to Marc Murphy in his early years.
Welcome to AFL son, its a brutal game. Why is it our kids all need a rest and kids from other sides just soldier on? They will rest older blokes to preserve their longevity (ie Daisy and Kruze) but the kids will be asked to dig deep and endure and I believe they will respond.
100 point loss.
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how consistent we can be, and how well the youngsters recover from that pounding. Sydney are not flying high at the moment.
However, do we have the right defender to take out Buddy? Can we keep the pressure on for 4 quarters? Can we move the ball a LOT quicker into the forward line? Can our ruck division give our mids a chance? Can we stop some of Sydney's best mids?
If we cannot find the right solutions to these problems we could well get thumped again.
Welcome to AFL son, its a brutal game. Why is it our kids all need a rest and kids from other sides just soldier on? They will rest older blokes to preserve their longevity (ie Daisy and Kruze) but the kids will be asked to dig deep and endure and I believe they will respond.
But that's just a guess...
I could guess some will make it and others won't...others that properly managed 'would' make it, because one size doesn't fit all and development is different for everyone.
Other sides have the advantage of support.
Compare Marc Murphy's early years and the support around him to someone like Joel Selwood's and the support around him.
Murphy cops a bit of criticism but I reckon we crucified him in his early years and it's a credit to him that he turned out the player he has.
Putting out a side like we did last night was dumb in my opinion.
I'm wondering what Bolton actually thought of the result .I suspect he was looking for a young side showing a lot of enthusiasm and effort. What he got was a debacle.
Welcome to AFL son, its a brutal game. Why is it our kids all need a rest and kids from other sides just soldier on? They will rest older blokes to preserve their longevity (ie Daisy and Kruze) but the kids will be asked to dig deep and endure and I believe they will respond.
Amen
But that's just a guess...
I could guess some will make it and others won't...others that properly managed 'would' make it, because one size doesn't fit all and development is different for everyone.
Other sides have the advantage of support.
Compare Marc Murphy's early years and the support around him to someone like Joel Selwood's and the support around him.
Murphy cops a bit of criticism but I reckon we crucified him in his early years and it's a credit to him that he turned out the player he has.
Putting out a side like we did last night was dumb in my opinion.
I'm wondering what Bolton actually thought of the result .I suspect he was looking for a young side showing a lot of enthusiasm and effort. What he got was a debacle.
Agree Lods. You could say the same about Gibbs and Krooz as well. No leadership and no support in their early years.
Putting out a side like we did last night was dumb in my opinion.
I'm wondering what Bolton actually thought of the result .I suspect he was looking for a young side showing a lot of enthusiasm and effort. What he got was a debacle.
I agree. Playing 6 first year players in the team is not a great idea.
If we keep doing that we will continue to get thrashed. Why did we recruit players like Palmer and Smedts if we are not going to play them?
Play 3 of the new kids together and rotate them around a bit.
Weitering needs to go back to defence too. He doesn't look confident in the forward line. Plus the delivery to him is poor. We'll ruin him if we expect too much too soon.
Maybe try Marchbank forward or bring on Jones or Jaksch.
Getting thrashed week in week out is not good for the club either. If we are looking to get players from other clubs here we'll only get the dregs.
Good players wont want to come to a basket case club.
Sponsors and members will drop off too. Young kids too will switch to supporting the more successful clubs.
The winging has already started here and other forums.
From a personal side losing games doesn't worry me as long as it helps the development.
But it is worrying a lot of others.
As others have said, simply too many young blokes on the park at once.....6 first years players someone said - and another batch of 2nd year players.
Smedts and Palmer should be in the 22 week in, week out and the young players rotated through with some sort of system.
Polson. Had he really been tearing it up in the 2s? Not from the reports I've read. Whereas Kerridge gets 40 possies and gets overlooked - what message does that send?
Even Boekhurst (on recent form) should have played before Polson....
All that aside, i can't fathom why we became some wary about moving the ball forward and taking the game on....our ball movement was simply abysmal - and that's not a function of youth.
Phillips looked unready and quite uncoordinated - not surprising given his lack of game time since returning from injury...
Cookie - why does Weitering and Cripps need a rest. Its only round 5!
Ive noticed ately as soon as one of our more senior players have a quiet game the word 'injured' or 'needs a rest' is instantly raised. Sometimes fit and healthy footballers don't play to their ability. Happens every week.
Weitering is a kid who had a poor game - Ball delivery to him was terrible so life was made very hard for a player with only one year under his belt.
As for Cripps I thought he was close to his best last night - especially when you consider we were without a decent ruckman and still managed over 35 mostly inside touches. He will never be that explosive type so regardless of his fitness level you wont see him tearing away from a contested situation - he is bloody good at his trade but he is a bit one dimensional so until we get mids in or kids developed to do the outside running I think his flaws will be highlighted more. He always looks stuffed - maybe cause he cops more inside contact then any other blues player.
I do agree that apart from Kreuzer any senior replacements in this week will not be in our long term plans but still I think Bolts will need to bring some more experience in this week -Swans are a very seasoned and tough outfit and Fisher/Polsen types just don't look to have the bodies at this early stage to go with them.
Shawny, Weitering was limping around and looked hardly ably to make ground at one stage last night - did not look anywhere near 100% to me.
Cripps only just scraped in for the first game and I don't think is anywhere near 100% yet either. He has to take a lot of heat on the front line of our engine room, especially without Kreuz there - we will break him if we are not careful.
We could rest others but these two are extremely valuable assets that we need to take care with and not let them get prematurely banged up - just my opinion.
Big word on social media Gibbs has a suspected broken thumb and Murphy had a torn meniscus in his knee.
Murphy was a no show at a post match function.
Geez imagine fronting up next week against the Swans without those 2.....
Welcome to AFL son, its a brutal game. Why is it our kids all need a rest and kids from other sides just soldier on? They will rest older blokes to preserve their longevity (ie Daisy and Kruze) but the kids will be asked to dig deep and endure and I believe they will respond.
As we are playing alot of kids, unlike other sides, so they are taking more responsibility. To give them a let up every so often means they are both fresher, able to play better footy and as well they get to round 23 in good shape rather than round 15. It's being proactive.
Social media saying Murphy seen in a knee brace and hobbling.
Not good.
Social media saying Murphy seen in a knee brace and hobbling.
Not good.
Can't tackle if you can't catch!
Social media saying Murphy seen in a knee brace and hobbling.
Not good.
I could see it when he was running last night, he was favouring a leg badly and couldnt catch nor breakaway from anyone. He wasnt right for alot of the game.
As others have said, simply too many young blokes on the park at once.....6 first years players someone said - and another batch of 2nd year players.
Smedts and Palmer should be in the 22 week in, week out and the young players rotated through with some sort of system.
Polson. Had he really been tearing it up in the 2s? Not from the reports I've read. Whereas Kerridge gets 40 possies and gets overlooked - what message does that send?
Even Boekhurst (on recent form) should have played before Polson....
All that aside, i can't fathom why we became some wary about moving the ball forward and taking the game on....our ball movement was simply abysmal - and that's not a function of youth.
Phillips looked unready and quite uncoordinated - not surprising given his lack of game time since returning from injury...
Agree...I'm all for playing kids and giving them preference but there has to be balance.....Smedts, Palmer, Kerridge, Jones, and Jaksch etc all have to play their part and fill some gaps...
Cripps and Weitering also need a chop out, we forget they are still kids allbeit mature ones.....
Agree...I'm all for playing kids and giving them preference but there has to be balance.....Smedts, Palmer, Kerridge, Jones, and Jaksch etc all have to play their part and fill some gaps...
Cripps and Weitering also need a chop out, we forget they are still kids allbeit mature ones.....
Good to give them all a run but we need a couple of bigger bodies to take the heat. It's was the practical example of the need to have experience about as you rebuild.
This is why some of us were saying don't go too youthful.
They end up being lambs to the slaughter.
Port hit hard last night.
Silvagni for McCreadie: give him a rest and have another mature body on standby if Buddy gets off the lease.
Jones for Weitering: give him a rest, he's getting beaten up. Jones can be the ruck pinch hitter.
Cunningham for Murphy if unfit
Graham for Pickett: deserves a recall.
Silvagni for McCreadie: give him a rest and have another mature body on standby if Buddy gets off the lease.
Jones for Weitering: give him a rest, he's getting beaten up. Jones can be the ruck pinch hitter.
Cunningham for Murphy if unfit
Graham for Pickett: deserves a recall.
Silvagni would need promoting but its not a bad call...McCreadie looked a bit lost vs GC and Port..
Cuningham for Murphy seems fair enough..
I thought Smedts was better than most but Murphy and Pickett are not players he would replace in terms of being like for like......
Not convinced about Graham especially on the bigger grounds but he probably has consistent form in the NB's to justify being picked...
Jones for Weitering...maybe, but I dont see Bolton resting him..
Daisy will probably come back so that might stuff it up for Graham or Cuningham being recalled...
This is why some of us were saying don't go too youthful.
They end up being lambs to the slaughter.
Port hit hard last night.
People argue against Daisy on a weekly basis. Guarantee if he played we don't lose by 90.
We'd still get done by plenty, but he runs both ways a lot harder than most of the blokes did last night
Think we'll pick a another key forward and Weitering might go back.
Really hoping we don't back to last year's crap and play both Kreuzer and Phillips leaving Levi as our only true key forward. Didn't do Kreuzer any good, Phillips gave us little around the ground and it crucified Levi. surely we don't back to that. Think McKay may get a run next week though.
Cunningham might get a run after today and I think we might pick a big bodied mid, maybe two. Polson, showed plenty early but may go back to the NB's given we're play the Swans, and McCreadie, while he's looks the goods, might be due to a run in the NB's as he's tailed off the last two weeks, as kids do. Pickett may end up in the NBs too.
Sounds like we should give Kerr a gig.
Let him be a stay at home forward and show us what he has.
Can't be any worse than what we are doing now. :o
Sounds like we should give Kerr a gig.
Let him be a stay at home forward and show us what he has.
Can't be any worse than what we are doing now. :o
Needs more NB's game time, Jones or Jaksch would be my choice if we need the extra tall/forward......Swans are still a hard unit and rocking up with too many kids
is unwise IMO...its that balance between experience/youth...learning under fire is great on the battlefield but you dont want too many youngtroops hurt in the process
and conditioned to getting hammered on the scoreboard each week either...
Needs more NB's game time, Jones or Jaksch would be my choice if we need the extra tall/forward......Swans are still a hard unit and rocking up with too many kids
is unwise IMO...its that balance between experience/youth...learning under fire is great on the battlefield but you dont want too many youngtroops hurt in the process
and conditioned to getting hammered on the scoreboard each week either...
I hear that EB, maybe we could drop Polson and Fisher and maybe someone else and bring in Kerr but strengthen the maturity with Daisy and Kerridge. Kruzer will also be back.
The rumor I'm hearing is Kreuzer is only 50/50 to return, with Phillips the obvious out if Kreuzer returns.
Graham and Daisy would be my ins with Fisher and Polson out, but Smedts might get a nod ahead of Daisy after the weekends game.
Graham should be an in because our midfield is pretty much beat up and it's only Rnd 6.
Kerr is a steadily improving work in progress who hopefully might get a taste before the end of the year but not now. I'd look at bringing him in if Jack Silvagni needs a rest. He needs to be surrounded by some experience, not those of like experience.
Kerr is a steadily improving work in progress who hopefully might get a taste before the end of the year but not now. I'd look at bringing him in if Jack Silvagni needs a rest. He needs to be surrounded by some experience, not those of like experience.
Perhaps the person to rest is Weitering, he looks busted up and Kerr wouldn't be a bad option as a direct forward replacement. I think Silvagni is our most natural forward at the moment, and Kerr looks like a natural forward. They might work quite well together.
Let Weitering heal up a bit and bring him back into the defence, Macreadie or Williamson can then then get a rotation, or maybe even Marchbank can have a forward run..
Perhaps the person to rest is Weitering, he looks busted up and Kerr wouldn't be a bad option as a direct forward replacement. I think Silvagni is our most natural forward at the moment, and Kerr looks like a natural forward. They might work quite well together.
Let Weitering heal up a bit and bring him back into the defence, Macreadie or Williamson can then then get a rotation, or maybe even Marchbank can have a forward run..
I'd promote Alex Silvagni...played well for the NB's vs Willy and part of his work was looking after his fellow players when things got physical...reckon he might be value down back.
I'd rest McCreadie who looks a bit lost of late...
The rumor I'm hearing is Kreuzer is only 50/50 to return, with Phillips the obvious out if Kreuzer returns.
Graham and Daisy would be my ins with Fisher and Polson out, but Smedts might get a nod ahead of Daisy after the weekends game.
Graham should be an in because our midfield is pretty much beat up and it's only Rnd 6.
Fisher had 17 disposals on Friday night which is coincidentally the same as Daisy's average for the year.
I prefer to watch the up and coming 19 year old's 17 disposals over the broken down 30 year old's.
Barring 21 injuries striking the club I can see no point to playing Dale Thomas ever again.
Fisher had 17 disposals on Friday night which is coincidentally the same as Daisy's average for the year.
I prefer to watch the up and coming 19 year old's 17 disposals over the broken down 30 year old's.
Barring 21 injuries striking the club I can see no point to playing Dale Thomas ever again.
Cant argue with that however I think Daisy will be in the team if fit....
I'd promote Alex Silvagni...played well for the NB's vs Willy and part of his work was looking after his fellow players when things got physical...reckon he might be value down back.
I'd rest McCreadie who looks a bit lost of late...
I'd like us to rest all of the young guys over the next few weeks. 1 week out and then back in. Dropping them to the VFL only when their form completely deserted them (which I don't think it has for any of them so far).
Cant argue with that however I think Daisy will be in the team if fit....
Sadly I think you might be right.
Fisher had 17 disposals on Friday night which is coincidentally the same as Daisy's average for the year.
I prefer to watch the up and coming 19 year old's 17 disposals over the broken down 30 year old's.
Barring 21 injuries striking the club I can see no point to playing Dale Thomas ever again.
Daisy is underrated on these forums and I'd prefer he played ahead of someone like Gibbs.
At least daisy looks like he cares.
I'd promote Alex Silvagni...played well for the NB's vs Willy and part of his work was looking after his fellow players when things got physical...reckon he might be value down back.
I'd rest McCreadie who looks a bit lost of late...
I don't see what Silvagni would offer the side. Our defense is the least of our worries. Plus, White is better at looking after his mates than Silvagni is and isn't any worse at the rest of it.
I think you can still rest macreadie.
Plowman+Marchbank+Rowe+White....with Weitering as an option is more than enough to fill our backline.
Daisy is underrated on these forums and I'd prefer he played ahead of someone like Gibbs.
At least daisy looks like he cares.
I've gone into bat for Daisy probably more than anyone....but even i wouldn't go that far. :P
I agree he is underrated by people around here.
Some were asking how Port were able to get so clear on the weekend. Simple answer is our players were either unable or unwilling (or both) to do the hard running to stay with them. Something Daisy excels at.
I don't see what Silvagni would offer the side. Our defense is the least of our worries. Plus, White is better at looking after his mates than Silvagni is and isn't any worse at the rest of it.
I think you can still rest macreadie.
Plowman+Marchbank+Rowe+White....with Weitering as an option is more than enough to fill our backline.
A.Silvagni (CoS) has more than once worked quite well as a forward for Freo.
I don't think A. Silvagni is at the club with the serious intention of senior selection, more to help provide a development environment in the VFL, which appears to be Army's main purpose in life also now.
Weitering needs a rest because he's looked like a shot unit for since he copped that knock in the first round. The kids been battered around in a similar manner to Marc Murphy in his early years.
If wins aren't important...and they're obviously not despite comments to the contrary... rest them as required.
We'll reap the benefits in 2022 ::)
I'd be inclined to give him a break. He needs to get his confidence back and niggles are not helping him. He has been quite reactive since he returned from injury last year. In the first few rounds of last year he was much more proactive, taking intercept marks and trusting his judgement a lot more.
As Lods recognized, he has been pounded as much as possible to keep him down. Opponents recognize him as a danger and try to minimize it by pounding a developing body..
In a couple of years it will be Weitering doing the pounding. I will prefer that.
I don't see what Silvagni would offer the side. Our defense is the least of our worries. Plus, White is better at looking after his mates than Silvagni is and isn't any worse at the rest of it.
I think you can still rest macreadie.
Plowman+Marchbank+Rowe+White....with Weitering as an option is more than enough to fill our backline.
I'd be resting Weitering... and McCreadie.....the former is banged up and struggling.....we need another mature player in the team. Silvagni is more of a general than White down back IMO.
I'd think about playing White down forward if the coach wont play Jones or Jaksch....
I'd be resting Weitering... and McCreadie.....the former is banged up and struggling.....we need another mature player in the team. Silvagni is more of a general than White down back IMO.
I'd think about playing White down forward if the coach wont play Jones or Jaksch....
100% agree EB1, we are on course to break both Cripps and Weitering, at the moment CoS would offer us more.
I'd be resting Weitering... and McCreadie.....the former is banged up and struggling.....we need another mature player in the team. Silvagni is more of a general than White down back IMO.
I'd think about playing White down forward if the coach wont play Jones or Jaksch....
A Silvagni would need to be promoted to the senior list wouldn't he EB?
Not an impossibility. Alex Silvagni needs a promotion, but Gorringe is out indefinitely. That seems a decent match.
I don't think any of our other rookies have been promoted yet, so that could easily happen.
Phillips was on LTI, but he is back now and the other injuries we have may last for a while, but they have not had anyone declared LTI yet.
People argue against Daisy on a weekly basis. Guarantee if he played we don't lose by 90.
We'd still get done by plenty, but he runs both ways a lot harder than most of the blokes did last night
Most AFL fans don't understand the defensive aspects of the sport. In the NBA and NFL their fans understand defense is just as important as offense.
We can't have Sam P-S, Poulson and Fisher in the same side in just their first season. They lack strength in the clinches. Given his lack of pre-season, maybe give Samo a rest. Fisher can also go out. Graham has to go in. I'd also play Cunningham. Weitering must do the job on Buddy and have a rest next week against the Pies. If Kreuzer isn't ready, then Phillips gets another gig...just.
We can't have Sam P-S, Poulson and Fisher in the same side in just their first season. They lack strength in the clinches. Given his lack of pre-season, maybe give Samo a rest. Fisher can also go out. Graham has to go in. I'd also play Cunningham. Weitering must do the job on Buddy and have a rest next week against the Pies. If Kreuzer isn't ready, then Phillips gets another gig...just.
Agree in part Jo Fo. Perhaps Murphy (knee) and Gibbs (broken thumb) will miss so Graham and Cunningham must come in however I would say they will go with Daisy ahead of one of them if he is right. Kreuzer for Phillips if he is ready. I reckon KJ and H did abit to put their hand up also, I think the coach is itching to get H in the side.
If Kreuzer isn't ready, then Phillips gets another gig...just.
I'd look at Jones. Swans have a 'non name brand' ruckman and Jones put in for the NBs on Saturday.
"Perhaps Murphy (knee) and Gibbs (broken thumb) will miss"
Oh, they are those 2 'dudes' who played out the game last week and have been smashed in another thread!
"Perhaps Murphy (knee) and Gibbs (broken thumb) will miss"
Oh, they are those 2 'dudes' who played out the game last week and have been smashed in another thread!
You are supposed to whisper that, lots of people do not want to hear the facts! ::)
"Perhaps Murphy (knee) and Gibbs (broken thumb) will miss"
Oh, they are those 2 'dudes' who played out the game last week and have been smashed in another thread!
Murph and Gibbs have been criticized almost from day 1 in various quarters. The other thread is something that seems very fitting in the post-Trump era.
Murph and Gibbs have been criticized almost from day 1 in various quarters. The other thread is something that seems very fitting in the post-Trump era.
Just like Judd had his critics from day one, and as he seems to have them now, perhaps they are just a bunch of complainers?
Rest Macreadie, Fisher and Polson, push Weitering back, debut Mackay and bring in 2 of Smedts, Graham or Palmer.
I'd be tempted to bring in Jones for Phillips too, although hopefully Phillips is better for the run he had last week.
I think we'll see Kreuz and Daisy back at least.
This is really interesting... a few dilemmas and balancing acts.
The Fluffy Ducks are vulnerable and have more kids than usual. But nothing like us. In our last game we had about 13 players with less than 50 games!!!
If we were desperate to win perhaps we could load up on hardened senior players for the contested game - bring back Kreuz, Kerridge, Graham, A Silvagni, Daisy and Buckley and rest 6 of the lighter kids and drop Phillips), personally I think that would be silly. Or we could continue to expose kids so bring in Cuningham and McKay for any injured or sore blokes... Or the balancing act of something between those extremes, which makes more sense.
Tough call really, SOS would be just a little bit happy if we could have loads of narrow losses to keep our draft position strong, but BB would love to see the kids sticking to their guns and to start experiencing winning which builds well for the future.
I've watched replays of our last two games and gee, if you turn off the sound and just watch the games, there really is a lot to like. It's like we're nearly there and we're not far from 'clicking'... a la what the Dawks just achieved.
Just like Judd had his critics from day one, and as he seems to have them now, perhaps they are just a bunch of complainers?
Strange how the poster, Spammer? didn't appear after the drug cheat game. When the facts don't fit the agenda...
This is really interesting... a few dilemmas and balancing acts.
The Fluffy Ducks are vulnerable and have more kids than usual. But nothing like us. In our last game we had about 13 players with less than 50 games!!!
If we were desperate to win perhaps we could load up on hardened senior players for the contested game - bring back Kreuz, Kerridge, Graham, A Silvagni, Daisy and Buckley and rest 6 of the lighter kids and drop Phillips), personally I think that would be silly. Or we could continue to expose kids so bring in Cuningham and McKay for any injured or sore blokes... Or the balancing act of something between those extremes, which makes more sense.
Tough call really, SOS would be just a little bit happy if we could have loads of narrow losses to keep our draft position strong, but BB would love to see the kids sticking to their guns and to start experiencing winning which builds well for the future.
I've watched replays of our last two games and gee, if you turn off the sound and just watch the games, there really is a lot to like. It's like we're nearly there and we're not far from 'clicking'... a la what the Dawks just achieved.
Im in the keep exposing the kids camp, within reason. If players are sore? Rest them as they did with Kruze and Daisy.
- Kruze definitely in for Phillips if he is right.
- 2 of Daisy, Smedts, Cunners and Nick G for Murph and Gibbs if they dont come up.
I just read an article stating Murphy's injury is worse than first thought, torn meniscus out for two months.
I had a hairline tear that kept me out for six weeks when I was twenty.
Last year we won what one out of eleven minus the skipper??
Im in the keep exposing the kids camp, within reason. If players are sore? Rest them as they did with Kruze and Daisy.
- Kruze definitely in for Phillips if he is right.
- 2 of Daisy, Smedts, Cunners and Nick G for Murph and Gibbs if they dont come up.
Yep, like it. Cuningham has probably earned a crack (to see if he can sustain for 4 quarters, though he did vanish again during his last VFL game), though I suspect it is more likely to be a Kerridge and Graham for Murphy and Gibbs (if his thumb doesn't come up).
Yep, like it. Cuningham has probably earned a crack (to see if he can sustain for 4 quarters, though he did vanish again during his last VFL game), though I suspect it is more likely to be a Kerridge and Graham for Murphy and Gibbs (if his thumb doesn't come up).
Cunningham must a prioroty over the other two IMO. I understand the form/merit thing but he was solid as was Graham but I would go with Cunningham over Graham in this instance. Seems to have bulked up a little and the body is into its second year so get him in.
Report are that Murphy and Gibbs will be ready for the Swans game.
Report are that Murphy and Gibbs will be ready for the Swans game.
Depends which report you read.
Murphy might be an out....for more than a week
I just read an article stating Murphy's injury is worse than first thought, torn meniscus out for two months.
I had a hairline tear that kept me out for six weeks when I was twenty.
Last year we won what one out of eleven minus the skipper??
Gee I do hope you're wrong :-[
Like him or not, he's highly respected by the boys. We're better with him in many ways.
Gee I do hope you're wrong :-[
Like him or not, he's highly respected by the boys. We're better with him in many ways.
I hope I'm wrong too.
He's been in good form this season and Murphy is due for a year without significant interruption as he hasn't enjoyed one since 2011.
I just read an article stating Murphy's injury is worse than first thought, torn meniscus out for two months.
I had a hairline tear that kept me out for six weeks when I was twenty.
Last year we won what one out of eleven minus the skipper??
I heard the same rumour late yesterday, something about him needing/getting an extra set of scans before they could find the problem.
Cunningham must a prioroty over the other two IMO. I understand the form/merit thing but he was solid as was Graham but I would go with Cunningham over Graham in this instance. Seems to have bulked up a little and the body is into its second year so get him in.
Problem is, Graham will go for 4 quarters, get the hard ball but with average disposal. But he wins inandunder contests. Cuningham is young but will only go 2 1/2 quarters and is not so good with inanduner. Cuningham has finesse and superior skill resulting in great evasiveness but, sadly, ordinary disposal. :-\
I believe you should pick your best team at the start of the season. Make the youngsters earn their spot.
I believe you should pick your best team at the start of the season. Make the youngsters earn their spot.
I agree, except I would gift each youngster a block of four games to see what they can do. Other than that, the club has to pick the best team to win, and every player earns their spot - young, old, short, tall etc. is irrelevant.
CFC Facebook page says Murphy and Gibbs have been cleared of any serious damage an are expected to play v the Swans.
Well, we now know what the tipping point is in terms of selecting kids that turns into getting thrashed .
I hope there's s more measured selection process this week.
Don't worry guys. We will play Sydney and get them back into full confidence and back into form, after they smash us by 75 points. ;)
Pick kerriage palmer and we still lose by less and then everyone can complain we don't play kids. That way we can filll the boards up next week.
I would pick Cunningham & McKay, after watching the Northern Blues, and hopefully bring in Kreuzer. Phillips looked a bit underdone.Not sure who I would not pick. I hope we keep going with the youth policy, we need to get plenty of games into the kids. I also hope Kerr gets a game sometime this year.
I think we need to wait on McKay. He doesn't appear to have built his tank yet. He struggled to get to contests in the second half in the VFL. Maybe later in the season, he'll get his chance to play 3 or 4 games.
I think we need to wait on McKay. He doesn't appear to have built his tank yet. He struggled to get to contests in the second half in the VFL. Maybe later in the season, he'll get his chance to play 3 or 4 games.
Tom Wilson agrees with you:
... Wilson said Carlton supporters begging for Brendon Bolton to hand McKay a debut against Sydney on Saturday should show greater patience.
“I think he has come along pretty quickly,” Wilson said.
“You have got to remember he had a significant injury last year that kept him out for a little while.
“A lot of people think he is ready to go. I have no doubt he will be a quality player for a very long time for the Carlton footy club.
“But for me, just don’t expose him too early.”
There is a LOT of different messages coming through with Harry McKay.
I have not been the only one who has noted that he tends to start much better than he ends, and that his sprints later in the game are lacking the same purpose that appears early in the game. The natural suggestion is that his tank is not AFL standard yet.
However, information has come to my attention from a number of sources that suggests that harry runs around a LOT more than most forwards. His tracking data suggests he runs around more than our mids!
That does not sound like a guy with a smallish tank.
So, what IS his problem? I'm not sure yet. I am guessing when I say that he is wasting his energy when he cannot get the ball. As he learns the caper better, he'll probably run less, but to better positions more often. Because he needs to have that sprint and leap left in the last quarter.
Harry's kicking is another issue. I don't know if he is spending time with Rocca, but he should be. There are times when he can kick the ball through the eye of a needle, and there are others when Casboult's kicks look better. If he works on his drop, he could be deadly, as he has excellent depth in his kicks. But at the moment he is something of a hit or miss often.
I really don't want to rush our kids too much. Most of these guys have displayed enough to think they will be long term options. And yes, we DO need t get games into them. But we also to carefully manage them, to keep their confidence from dropping too much. In future year's their self belief will be as import if not more important than their fitness. In the 1970's and 1980's, the will to win got us over the line a lot. That is what we want from these guys.
Cuningham might be ready for another try. He is not a 4 quarter player yet, but his work at Jones' feel was most impressive. Having that dash from the centre would be something that Sydney would NOT expect.
He drops so many marks he almost grabs. And thats in the 2's. Yes that will come with experience but leave him in the 2's for now imo
He drops so many marks he almost grabs. And thats in the 2's. Yes that will come with experience but leave him in the 2's for now imo
My opinion too! Let him develop, bulk up and gain confidence.
By way of comparison, North have been depleted up forward but are yet to debut their McKay for possibly all the same reasons we are holding back, and he wasn't injured like his brother.
By way of comparison, North have been depleted up forward but are yet to debut their McKay for possibly all the same reasons we are holding back, and he wasn't injured like his brother.
Their McKay is apparently a KPD, I read somewhere they use to play CHB and CHF respectively!
I think we need to wait on McKay. He doesn't appear to have built his tank yet. He struggled to get to contests in the second half in the VFL. Maybe later in the season, he'll get his chance to play 3 or 4 games.
McKay had 10km up by 3/4 time last week. Tank is no issue. Like to run and get up the ground.
He drops so many marks he almost grabs. And thats in the 2's. Yes that will come with experience but leave him in the 2's for now imo
Wasn't dropping many last week. He took 10.
McKay had 10km up by 3/4 time last week. Tank is no issue. Like to run and get up the ground.
It takes an hour or so to jog 10kms. Constant running to present as a target on multiple leads requires a big tank. This kid can be our version of Joe Daniher but he will need to be able to run to our defensive end to present an outlet target and then work forward to present as a attacking target. This will come with time. Stick him in now and all we have is a lightweight marking target up forward.
I hope he ends up a lot better than that other bloke.
I hope he ends up a lot better than that other bloke.
The other bloke played OK today, but it's hard to take him seriously with that moustache and horrible jumper.
I'm tipping Collingwood will be our next win, the game after this one.
Keep playing the kids, but give any sore or injured players a rest, the kids will get a real taste of what it is to play tough AFL footy against the Swannies.
Smashing kids and wearing out senior players is a recipie for disaster.
Wasn't dropping many last week. He took 10.
Watching the game it was clear he was up against a bunch of skinny defenders, his work rate was great but he must have dropped two for every mark he took. The NB Mids smashed Willi, he won't get that many opportunities at AFL level, and the hard running won't get him the space he needs for easier marks.
It takes an hour or so to jog 10kms. Constant running to present as a target on multiple leads requires a big tank. This kid can be our version of Joe Daniher but he will need to be able to run to our defensive end to present an outlet target and then work forward to present as a attacking target. This will come with time. Stick him in now and all we have is a lightweight marking target up forward.
The bloke probably weighs in at near on 100kg.
Light weight?
I can't see any valid reason why he's not cherry ripe for senior selection.
Swans struggle for height down back too....
Smashing kids and wearing out senior players is a recipie for disaster.
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Not to mention kids learn nothing from senior games where they don't get their hands on the footy.
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Not to mention kids learn nothing from senior games where they don't get their hands on the footy.
So why is it that many players dominate in the VFL and then fail, or leave alot to be desired, at AFL level?
So why is it that many players dominate in the VFL and then fail, or leave alot to be desired, at AFL level?
AFL is a step up that is clear, not everybody is going to make it which is self-evident.
Nobody is claiming they shouldn't be tried at AFL level, but those of us who are skeptical about our current strategy are basically arguing it has to be done in a manageable way. At the moment it appears chaotic.
Does anyone give us any sort of chance in this one?
Maybe I'm delusional but I reckon this one might be closer then many think provided Kreuzer and Murphy both are fit and play.
We struggle against the quicker teams and on quicker grounds. Swans are not quick and at the G, we seem to play our most consistent footy. Pushed them last time and with no Mitchell and out of form cant see why we wont this time.
Footy performances especially in young teams is a week by week proposition so ive moved on from last weeks dismal display - if we can play to the level we did against Melb we will push them.
For the young players and for supporters confidence sake, I don't want another blowout and I'm not expecting one.
Watching the game it was clear he was up against a bunch of skinny defenders, his work rate was great but he must have dropped two for every mark he took. The NB Mids smashed Willi, he won't get that many opportunities at AFL level, and the hard running won't get him the space he needs for easier marks.
What, he dropped 20 marks?
They're a stand alone team and defending premiers, not a team full of skinny draftees.
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Not to mention kids learn nothing from senior games where they don't get their hands on the footy.
Nothing wrong with giving him a couple of runs though. In his 2nd year and hasn't played yet so we're not exactly smashing him.
What, he dropped 20 marks?
They're a stand alone team and defending premiers, not a team full of skinny draftees.
Yes, he grounded a lot of ball but eh good news is he gets to the contest, a lot of contests. How many marking attempts did Casboult have at the weekend for his 5 marks, KPP AFL players rarely do better than 50%.
Williamstown are past premiers off the back of a dominant midfield Laj, not a dominant defense. Williamstown's defense is relatively lightweight compared to AFL defenders/forwards, their list and game plan is built around a running game, and you don't have to be a kid to be a lightweight.
Ayce Cordy is clearly their biggest / bulkiest body, and Meese rucked all day although he's smaller than Sam Rowe. They have about ten players over 190cm, but only four of those talls weigh more than 90kg and they are all ruckmen, many of Williamstown's talls are closer to 85kg than 90kg.
For this reason that game was not a good measure of McKay, but we should be very very pleased with his aerobic capacity and work rate.
The bloke who is not getting enough media/blogger credit for last weekend is Jones. His stats were ordinary, but his 2nd efforts effectively nullified Willamstown's midfield and brought the likes of Graham, Boekhorst and Kerridge into the game. I'd love to see him roaming the F50 with that sort of effort, as long as the likes of Pickett, SPS, Murphy and Wright get busy crumbing front and square.
If fit, Kreuzer comes back in, Phillips out. Thomas should come back via the VFL IMO.
Otherwise, this week, I'd keep the rest of the team, the same.
Possibly, Macreadie out for McKay to come in (then reshuffle the talls somewhat), but in all honesty, I have no problem with the two most impressive players form our VFL game against Willi (in my opinion) in Cuningham ad McKay, playing one more week in the VFL, and doing more of the same. Though, have no problem with them playing AFL either. Thought they looked a class above. Cuningham is ready IMO, McKay too really. They're both working really hard too. Gut feel, says both listed as emergencies along with Billie Smedts this week, with one change being Kreuzer in and Phillips out, who needs more game time at VFL level for sure.
I tell you what, Liam Jones, was fantastic against Willi too. Played ruck and was like an extra mid so far as pressure acts go. Just fantastic. Took some very good around the ground marks too. Like him down back also. Reckon that's his go now as I've said previously. Not as a genuine key forward. Keeping some pressure on the likes of Casboult, etc too which can only be a good thing. Would now like to see that consistency in his game at VFL level. Only 25 yo I think and pretty rugged, strong and rough type now around the contest. He helped our mids alot in the VFL v Will-town.
I tell you what, Liam Jones, was fantastic against Willi too. Played ruck and was like an extra mid so far as pressure acts go. Just fantastic. Took some very good around the ground marks too. Like him down back also. Reckon that's his go now as I've said previously. Not as a genuine key forward. Keeping some pressure on the likes of Casboult, etc too which can only be a good thing. Would now like to see that consistency in his game at VFL level. Only 25 yo I think and pretty rugged, strong and rough type now around the contest. He helped our mids alot in the VFL v Will-town.
Agree. To me, he was very Kruzer like in his effort and attitude. Crashed and bashed which is all you can ask from a bloke who is not a ruckman's a-hole. Yet another example of sacrificing your game for the team.
Cuningham (who really looks like he's added some size to his frame) for Polson or Fisher.
Both of those blokes will get hammered by the Swans' mids. i'd even play Graham he needs to be decent crack in the 1s otherwise why the f... did we retain him?
Cuningham (who really looks like he's added some size to his frame) for Polson or Fisher.
Both of those blokes will get hammered by the Swans' mids. i'd even play Graham he needs to be decent crack in the 1s otherwise why the f... did we retain him?
I like the idea of Cuningham coming in for one of the other kids.
Mature rig, can run out a game and tackles like a beast.
Let's be frank - after a 90 point pantsing - there should be 3 or 4 changes; so
1. Kreuzer for Phillips
2. Cuningham for Polson
3. Graham/Smedts for Fisher
4. Jones for ?
We'll know for sure this time tomorrow but Kreuzer is almost certain to return and probably Daisy if fit. Maybe Smedts, Graham or Kerridge for one of the kids also. Cunningham also a good chance if the MC see the game as a " learning opportunity" for him?
Let's be frank - after a 90 point pantsing - there should be 3 or 4 changes; so
1. Kreuzer for Phillips
2. Cuningham for Polson
3. Graham/Smedts for Fisher
4. Jones for ?
Jones equivalent role is Casboult's. Despite a great game in the VFL it'll be hard to fit him in. I'm sure Cunnigham will get a run this week.
perhaps Jones is th right match up for Tippet?
Let's be frank - after a 90 point pantsing - there should be 3 or 4 changes; so
1. Kreuzer for Phillips
2. Cuningham for Polson
3. Graham/Smedts for Fisher
4. Jones for ?
Jones for Weitering.
Give the kid a break.
I'd be resting Pickett too
Pickett was average - picked and choosed on Friday night - needs a spell in the twos to remind him to go 100% at all times.
Pickett was average - picked and choosed on Friday night - needs a spell in the twos to remind him to go 100% at all times.
He might be dropped but he's not a meat grinder footballer but he also doesn't pick and choose every time.
So why is it that many players dominate in the VFL and then fail, or leave alot to be desired, at AFL level?
I can't answer this based on anything but my experience trying to break into the seniors at soccer.
Ultimately I never felt the coach had faith in me to do the job or that I belonged at that level even though I was happy to do what was asked and busted a gut to do my best for my team.
Is that confidence or lack of in my ability??
Perhaps. I did play seniors for a year, and played some good games, but ultimately being replaced by a youngster three years running really made me feel that they didn't believe I could do it.
Have a think about Sam kerridge, Nick Graham Blaine boekhorst and how the above might apply to them.
They will be under pressure to perform and keep their spot because sooner or later a kid who's barely going will get a game ahead of them and they might wonder why but they might stop caring soon.
Simply cannot have Kerridge, Buckley nor Boekhorst playing ones.
Jones should be considered. Reckon he could hold down a key defensive post myself. Could also play ruck/forward. His effort, tackling, grunt work and general physicality would be very, very handy!!! Much just depends on the structure they want, how many talls, Kreuzer, etc?
Simply cannot have Kerridge, Buckley nor Boekhorst playing ones.
Jones should be considered. Reckon he could hold down a key defensive post myself. Could also play ruck/forward. His effort, tackling, grunt work and general physicality would be very, very handy!!! Much just depends on the structure they want, how many talls, Kreuzer, etc?
I agree re Jones being given a go in defence, youjust never know. If you recall how badly Rowe struggled in the early days playing as a fwd/ruckman. Then transitioned into defence, he has cemented a spot and does the job week in week out, almost to the point where I would say he is one of (or at least in the group of) our more important players (if he keeps his form up). Cant hurt trying him.
Simply cannot have Kerridge, Buckley nor Boekhorst playing ones.
Jones should be considered. Reckon he could hold down a key defensive post myself. Could also play ruck/forward. His effort, tackling, grunt work and general physicality would be very, very handy!!! Much just depends on the structure they want, how many talls, Kreuzer, etc?
I don't think any player can be written off until de-listing.
Sounds like Murphy, Kreuzer and Daisy are all only 50/50 at best.
They might be named but do not be surprised if there are late changes.
CARLTON
In: A.Silvagni, B.Smedts, N.Graham, M.Kreuzer
Out: C.Polson, H.Macreadie (managed), A.Phillips, J.Pickett
New: Alex Silvagni (Fremantle)
SYDNEY
In: B.Jack, N.Newman, J.Laidler
Out: K.Jack (hip), J.Foote, H.Marsh (hamstring)
Happy with that. A few mature bodies and players rewarded for good form.
Silvagni no.4 makes his Carlton debut.
Carlton's team to face Sydney:
Backs 44. Alex Silvagni 22. Caleb Marchbank 43. Simon White
Half-backs 6. Kade Simpson 17. Sam Rowe 20. Lachie Plowman
Centreline 5. Samo Petrevski-Seton 9. Patrick Cripps 15. Sam Docherty
Half-forward 16. Billie Smedts 30. Charlie Curnow 35. Ed Curnow
Forwards 32. Nick Graham 41. Levi Casboult 23. Jacob Weitering
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 4. Bryce Gibbs 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange 46. Matthew Wright 25. Zac Fisher 31. Tom Williamson
1. Jack Silvagni
Emergencies 28. David Cuningham 27. Dennis Armfield 14. Liam Jones
In: A.Silvagni, Smedts, Graham, Kreuzer
Out: Cameron Polson (omitted), Harrison Macreadie (managed), Andrew Phillips (omitted), Jarrod Pickett (omitted)
New: Alex Silvagni (Fremantle Dockers)
Milestone: Patrick Cripps (50 AFL games)
Carlton's team to face Sydney:
Backs 44. Alex Silvagni 22. Caleb Marchbank 43. Simon White
Half-backs 6. Kade Simpson 17. Sam Rowe 20. Lachie Plowman
Centreline 5. Samo Petrevski-Seton 9. Patrick Cripps 15. Sam Docherty
Half-forward 16. Billie Smedts 30. Charlie Curnow 35. Ed Curnow
Forwards 32. Nick Graham 41. Levi Casboult 23. Jacob Weitering
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 4. Bryce Gibbs 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange 46. Matthew Wright 25. Zac Fisher 31. Tom Williamson
1. Jack Silvagni
Emergencies 28. David Cuningham 27. Dennis Armfield 14. Liam Jones
In: A.Silvagni, Smedts, Graham, Kreuzer
Out: Cameron Polson (omitted), Harrison Macreadie (managed), Andrew Phillips (omitted), Jarrod Pickett (omitted)
New: Alex Silvagni (Fremantle Dockers)
Milestone: Patrick Cripps (50 AFL games)
Happy to see some mature bodies. Sick of seeing pimply faced adolescents getting beat up on.
Who gets first crack at Buddy.
Be too fast for Rowey.
Big ask but reckon Marchback might be in line for the big job.
Pies used a kid on him in their match and he did very well.
Who gets first crack at Buddy.
Be too fast for Rowey.
Big ask but reckon Marchback might be in line for the big job.
Pies used a kid on him in their match and he did very well.
Start with Rowe in the first 1q, then maybe White, then Marchbank. No matter who you nominate, they will always be inadequate in some way. Almost certainly have to be double teamed for long periods.
Who gets first crack at Buddy.
Be too fast for Rowey.
Big ask but reckon Marchback might be in line for the big job.
Pies used a kid on him in their match and he did very well.
I think Marchy might be the only one who as any sort of pace, endurance and size give it a crack. Weiters is a little slow, Rowe ditto, the only other may be Plow. This may seem crazy but might C Curnow have the tools to have a crack at Buddy (athletic, height, pace)??
We'll win this one. :)
Who gets first crack at Buddy.
Be too fast for Rowey.
Big ask but reckon Marchback might be in line for the big job.
Pies used a kid on him in their match and he did very well.
COS has done ok on him before.
Bit more of a reaction than I thought but the team looks a bit more solid on paper and better equipped to tackle Sydney.....Jones unlucky but you cant pick em all.
Graham needs to perform as he may not get many more chances...A.Silvagni can maybe add what James Kelly has added to Essendon in terms of experience and being able to be the General down back.
We still have a core group of kids in that team that are getting experience and its the right balance IMO....think we will be very competitive...
Start with Rowe in the first 1q, then maybe White, then Marchbank. No matter who you nominate, they will always be inadequate in some way. Almost certainly have to be double teamed for long periods.
My concern is Rowe, white and Weitering will all lack the pace needed and buddy major strength is his pace on the lead- Marchbank while young seems a good match IMO. Buddy doesn't use his strength as much as his pace-Marchbank reads the play extremely well and is also quick. Prefer to give the kid a chance first off it doesn't work then put one of our older guys on him.
Buddy is always dangerous but he's unstoppable if he starts well.... prefer Marchbank to get a opportunity when his cold rather then throwing the kid to the wolves once Buddy is red hot.
Plus if Marchbank does a good job on Buddy will be a massive confidence boast for the kid regardless of the final score.
My concern is Rowe will definitely lack the pace and buddy major strength is his pace on the lead- Marchbank while young seems a good match IMO. Buddy doesn't use his strength as much as his pace-Marchbank reads the play extremely well and is also quick. Prefer to give the kid a chance first off it doesn't work then put one of our older guys on him.
Buddy is always dangerous but he's unstoppable if he starts well.... prefer Marchbank to get a opportunity when his cold rather then throwing the kid to the wolves once Buddy is red hot.
Plus if Marchbank does a good job on Buddy will be a massive confidence boast for the kid regardless of the final score.
I have no problem with any of that. But as I stated, each one of our match ups has some issues, so double teaming may be also be an option. The other issue is being too Buddy-centric. There's Reid, Tippett, Rohan, plus Buddy. A real handful.
Happy to see Smedts get another go. Was hoping to see Cunningham. Hopefully he plays another good game in the 2s.
My concern is Rowe, white and Weitering will all lack the pace needed and buddy major strength is his pace on the lead- Marchbank while young seems a good match IMO. Buddy doesn't use his strength as much as his pace-Marchbank reads the play extremely well and is also quick. Prefer to give the kid a chance first off it doesn't work then put one of our older guys on him.
Buddy is always dangerous but he's unstoppable if he starts well.... prefer Marchbank to get a opportunity when his cold rather then throwing the kid to the wolves once Buddy is red hot.
Plus if Marchbank does a good job on Buddy will be a massive confidence boast for the kid regardless of the final score.
Got no doubt the Swans will do their usual have everyone up the ground and Buddy on his own in the forward 50 isolated on our one defender...need help defense to contain Buddy
and close up the gaps where he leads...if its one on one he will kick a bag...
Buddy will ragdoll Marchbank IMO...I'd start Rowe on him but learn from the Tom Lynch fiasco....block the leads and like I said our blokes have to get back and help Rowe...
Got no doubt the Swans will do their usual have everyone up the ground and Buddy on his own in the forward 50 isolated on our one defender...need help defense to contain Buddy
and close up the gaps where he leads...if its one on one he will kick a bag...
Buddy will ragdoll Marchbank IMO...I'd start Rowe on him but learn from the Tom Lynch fiasco....block the leads and like I said our blokes have to get back and help Rowe...
Agree EB. There's a lot for us to deal with against that team. Too much I think.
Got no doubt the Swans will do their usual have everyone up the ground and Buddy on his own in the forward 50 isolated on our one defender...need help defense to contain Buddy
and close up the gaps where he leads...if its one on one he will kick a bag...
Buddy will ragdoll Marchbank IMO...I'd start Rowe on him but learn from the Tom Lynch fiasco....block the leads and like I said our blokes have to get back and help Rowe...
EB, they need put work into players up the ground to stop the ball getting to Buddy (and co.). If their mids get going and start free wheeling? It will get real ugly.
Really like these changes. Graham, Billie and COS have deserved their call ups and all offer experience.
I think we'll give a far better account of ourselves this Saturday and it seems the club is also now serious as evidenced by bringing in 4 experienced blokes and leaving out 3 kids and an underdone Phillips. Good balance.
Polson has had a taste, now to further build his craft in the NBs and Pickett has to learn not to lairise.
Got no doubt the Swans will do their usual have everyone up the ground and Buddy on his own in the forward 50 isolated on our one defender...need help defense to contain Buddy
and close up the gaps where he leads...if its one on one he will kick a bag...
Buddy will ragdoll Marchbank IMO...I'd start Rowe on him but learn from the Tom Lynch fiasco....block the leads and like I said our blokes have to get back and help Rowe...
Agree with needing to block the space but the ragdoll bit I'm not so sure of. Buddy IMO only tries to use his strength in a one on one if he cant find space. When he is on his main game is to run hard and take the ball while moving. In that situation Marchbank is our best option. I would back our kid in and hope Bolts does too.
Lets face it if they control the midfield and get too much ball with time Buddy is going to get on the end of many regardless who stands him.
The learning experience even if he gets a few kicked on him is valuable.
Carlton
B: Alex Silvagni, Caleb Marchbank, Simon White.
HB: Kade Simpson, Sam Rowe, Lachie Plowman.
C: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Patrick Cripps, Sam Docherty.
HF: Billie Smedts, Charlie Curnow, Ed Curnow.
F: Nick Graham, Levi Casboult, Jacob Weitering.
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy.
Int: Matthew Wright, Zac Fisher, Tom Williamson, Jack Silvagni.
Emg: David Cuningham, Dennis Armfield, Liam Jones.
In: Alex Silvagni, Billie Smedts, Nick Graham, Matthew Kreuzer.
Out: Harrison Macreadie (Managed), Andrew Phillips (Omitted), Jarrod Pickett (Omitted), Cameron Polson (Omitted).
New: Alex Silvagni
These guys probably deserve a go, even if it does slow us down a bit. Jones and Cuningham must also be close after their games last week.
Sydney Swans
B: Nick Smith, Heath Grundy, Zak Jones.
HB: Callum Mills, Lewis Melican, Jeremy Laidler.
C: Isaac Heeney, Josh P. Kennedy, Jake Lloyd.
HF: George Hewett, Lance Franklin, Gary Rohan.
F: Will Hayward, Sam Reid, Tom Papley.
R: Kurt Tippett, Luke Parker, Dan Hannebery.
Int: Harry Cunningham, Brandon Jack, Nic Newman, Callum Sinclair.
Emg: Jordan Foote, James Rose, Michael Talia.
In: Jeremy Laidler, Brandon Jack, Nic Newman.
Out: Jordan Foote (Omitted), Kieren Jack (Hip), Harry Marsh (Hamstring)
Franklin is the boogey man. Sydney usually kill us in the ruck and around the middle.
The Midfield (as a collective) need to pull their finger out and put some pressure on the ball carriers and make life easier for the defence. Kruezer will add a lot around the ball as well, an area in which we were whipped versus Port.
I would have played Cunners, wins his own ball and can spread, Graham doesn't add much run. Will be watching his ball use with great interest.
I can see what they are doing with these ins but that doesn't mean I like them... if Alex S. hasn't been picked for a specific role I don't know why we bothered - the best way to defend against Buddy is to choke his supply and force him higher up the ground to get the ball. The 'G is big enough that the swannies' md will need more than three steps and a decent kick to find Buddy; Tippet and or Reid and the "connector" players will have a role to play and they need to be covered as well.
Looking at that list I expect Weitering to go back besides Silvagni, the opportunity to play next to a seasoned AFL defender is too good to miss.
Marchbank or Plowman should go forward.
I'm happy to see Alex in. Not a star, but a damn good foot soldier.
Kreuser is an automatic selection, and Billy Smedts should never have been dropped.
Nick Graham, well, why not.
Has been burning in the twos.
Some good decisions there.
I think we'll see some late changes.
I'm expecting Murphy not to come up, and perhaps Kreuzer.
Jones will play IMHO.
He's an ideal matchup for buddy and can swap ends with weitering if required whilst pinch hitting in the ruck.
Good to see the better performers from the VFL being rewarded.
A problem for Carlton is how to stay in the game while we wait for the pace of the game to come off to a level that blokes like Graham and Kerridge can compete.
We basically need a strategy that runs the Swans off their feet for the first half but keeps us in the game.
We know if the pace of the game is such that Graham can keep up he's a star, and Kerridge works as hard as anybody.
I agree about Murphy and Kreuzer being possible late changes.
Looking at that list I expect Weitering to go back besides Silvagni, the opportunity to play next to a seasoned AFL defender is too good to miss.
Marchbank or Plowman should go forward.
Looking at the emergencies, I think Weitering might miss (for Jones) ....Murphy also has to be in doubt.
Looking at the emergencies, I think Weitering might miss (for Jones) ....Murphy also has to be in doubt.
I agree that looking at the team as selected it looks unbalanced, I'm sure they won't line up like that unless Carlton is about to unveil it's radically new and innovative game plan!
But, I can't read much into the emergencies, to me they are mostly meaningless.
Take Armfield for example, I love Army but by AFL standards he had a shocker against Williamstown, nobody would accept his reinstatement to the AFL team is based on form yet he is named as an emergency. If Army gets a game we must have a club crippled by injury!
Huge game for Nick Graham.
No doubt young tyros Cunningham, McKay and now Polson and Pickett, are being asked to put in a big VFL game this week. Fair enough.
Think Jones may sneak in at the expense of a tall that doesn't come up. I'm thinking they may rest Weitering. Not sure. Maybe Kreuzer doesn't' come up. We'll see.
I wouldn't mind Jones on Franklin as a left field one. Or in the ruck even to play that role he did in the VFL against Willi last weekend.
As l've mentioned previously, I'm not against trialing a bloke like Lachie Plowman or Caleb Marchbank forward.
No doubt young tyros Cunningham, McKay and now Polson and Pickett, are being asked to put in a big VFL game this week. Fair enough.
Think Jones may sneak in at the expense of a tall that doesn't come up. I'm thinking they may rest Weitering. Not sure. Maybe Kreuzer doesn't' come up. We'll see.
I wouldn't mind Jones on Franklin as a left field one. Or in the ruck even to play that role he did in the VFL against Willi last weekend.
As l've mentioned previously, I'm not against trialing a bloke like Lachie Plowman or Caleb Marchbank forward.
Sorry but I'm not a fan of the notion of playing blokes like Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman, Rowe etc fwd. They are defenders, darn good ones to boot. They must IMO play back as a unit and grow stronger together with every game. They will develop a 6th sense playing together, this is what makes gun back lines. People talk about playing kids and destroying their confidence with beltings, personally I reckon throwing them around fwd and back all around the place is worse. The fwd line problem is a different kettle of fish and needs addressed separately. That is, when Harry is ready, he will come in and be given a go. When Kerr is ready, he will come in and be given a go. We can play small fwd lines rotating mids and HFs. We will target a gun fwd in this years draft, trading period. It takes time and we need to be patient. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is nonsense IMO.
Sorry but I'm not a fan of the notion of playing blokes like Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman, Rowe etc fwd. They are defenders, darn good ones to boot. They must IMO play back as a unit and grow stronger together with every game. They will develop a 6th sense playing together, this is what makes gun back lines. People talk about playing kids and destroying their confidence with beltings, personally I reckon throwing them around fwd and back all around the place is worse. The fwd line problem is a different kettle of fish and needs addressed separately. That is, when Harry is ready, he will come in and be given a go. When Kerr is ready, he will come in and be given a go. We can play small fwd lines rotating mids and HFs. We will target a gun fwd in this years draft, trading period. It takes time and we need to be patient. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is nonsense IMO.
No need to be sorry. I completely disagree. I'd rather BB stay open minded with his players, positions, options, rather than have a closed minded view. Each to their own.
No need to be sorry. I completely disagree. I'd rather BB stay open minded with his players, positions, options, rather than have a closed minded view. Each to their own.
So long as it's not Groucho Marx style : "now there's a man with an open mind - you can feel the breeze from here."
I've found the ideal training regime for young Weiters;
He can do anything or everything!
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It even comes with some automation;
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But you have to be careful not to go too hard too soon!
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You can end up with a hell of a headache!
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As with most AFL teams, we simply do not have one player that can go with Buddy and match all his attributes. Team defense is the only way.
Putting any of the players mentioned on him for more than 1q, is like lambs to the slaughter.
Sorry but I'm not a fan of the notion of playing blokes like Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman, Rowe etc fwd. They are defenders, darn good ones to boot. They must IMO play back as a unit and grow stronger together with every game. They will develop a 6th sense playing together, this is what makes gun back lines. People talk about playing kids and destroying their confidence with beltings, personally I reckon throwing them around fwd and back all around the place is worse. The fwd line problem is a different kettle of fish and needs addressed separately. That is, when Harry is ready, he will come in and be given a go. When Kerr is ready, he will come in and be given a go. We can play small fwd lines rotating mids and HFs. We will target a gun fwd in this years draft, trading period. It takes time and we need to be patient. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is nonsense IMO.
our midfield needs attention way before our forward line.
our midfield needs attention way before our forward line.
No doubt about it, I am more confident in our fwd line moving fwd than the midfield in fact.
Congratulations to Crippa on 50 games in the Navy Blue.
Hope he has a sensational game.
Bringing my son for his first Carlton game today. Hopefully they put on a good show.
Congratulations to Crippa on 50 games in the Navy Blue.
Hope he has a sensational game.
Same here. We don't seem to do milestone games too well. The notable exception in my memory is Simmo's 250th. Hopefully today can be the start of a better tradition.
Tippett a late out according to the AFL website.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-29/swans-lose-tippett-to-hip-injury-for-blues-clash
Tippett a late out according to the AFL website.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-29/swans-lose-tippett-to-hip-injury-for-blues-clash
The old Ruckmen's Rain injury! ;)
I've never heard that phrase. For us, one less headache, and one less tall to worry about.
Great, Paul Roos part of the commentary team. ::)
The old Ruckmen's Rain injury! ;)
Won't be raining (much if at all) today.
Won't be raining (much if at all) today.
Yet they replaced 200cm x 110kg ruckmen with a 185cm x 85kg forward.
Yet they replaced 200cm x 110kg ruckmen with a 185cm x 85kg forward.
So the ONLY reason that Tippett COULD have been left out was because of the rain....that wasn't expected. :o
Perhaps....now stay with me here...perhaps they replaced him because he was carrying an injury and didn't come up. Shocking i know, but very much possible. ;)
He was listed as an out (hip).
EDIT: my emergencies list was incorrect.
So the ONLY reason that Tippett COULD have been left out was because of the rain....that wasn't expected. :o
Perhaps....now stay with me here...perhaps they replaced him because he was carrying an injury and didn't come up. Shocking i know, but very much possible. ;)
He was listed as an out (hip).
Anyway....in replaceing him they had 3 choices on who they could choose as it has to be from your emergencies.
Those 3 choices to replace him were...
1. 187x85 Newman
2. 186x74 Hewitt
3. 181x71 Cunningham
Guess which one they chose.
Conspiracy theory much?!
If Tippett was injured, and you knew it, why would you name three medium / smalls as emergencies?
If Tippett was injured, and you knew it, why would you name three medium / smalls as emergencies?
Maybe they don't have a backup for his position worthy of a spot on the list.
If Rowe was injured and a late out today....who could we pick to replace him like for like?
I don't buy that blokes like Darcy Cameron and Allir Allir don't make it as an emergency for a tall when you know in advance your 2nd Ruck and KPF has a hip injury.
There is one way to explain it, the hip injury is bullsh1t!
I don't buy that blokes like Darcy Cameron and Allir Allir don't make it as an emergency for a tall when you know in advance your 2nd Ruck and KPF has a hip injury.
There is one way to explain it, the hip injury is bullsh1t!
There are a lot more than 1 way to explain it.
Especially when your '1 way' is based on a weather forecast that didn't exist!
I'm not going to change your mind, so i'll just let you sit there, alone in your rubber room. ;)
There are a lot more than 1 way to explain it.
So you think Sydney is tanking!
The thought had crossed my mind. They have a lot of good players, maybe too many to be winless. But then again, I know sh1t.
So you think Sydney is tanking!
No. I think that they thought it wasn't worth the risk taking Tippett into the game with his body the way it was. Be that 50-50, 70-30 or whatever.
Weitering was under an injury cloud today. Did we have a cover for him in our emergencies?
Ditto Murphy.
Ditto Cripps.
Ditto Kreuzer.
You can't cover them all in your emergency list.
Bringing my son for his first Carlton game today. Hopefully they put on a good show.
And your wish was granted. Hope the little guy had a ball.
Loved it (as did his dad)