Carlton vs the 'Aints at Etihad. I would have much preferred the MCG: it suits our team.
Get the feeling out of your system here.
Well at least we fought it out until the end.
I expected to lose and probably by a fair bit more than we did. Not too unhappy really.
Gallant. Fisher makes a better fist of it in the last qtr and that game would have been interesting. Aints dont like it hard thats for sure. Like it on the outside and bruise free.
Wright and Weiters were very quiet.
We were beaten fair and square by a better side but you can't complain about our desire, the Saints are a pretty good outfit so it wasn't a bad effort to push them.
I think the failure to rest Weitering who is obviously sore/injured, and premature return of Fisher who probably should have come back via the NBs, has cost us that game!
Get the feeling out of your system here.
Glad to. Feck you Umpire #1.
FECK you.
FECK YOU TO HELL AND BACK.
I thought the days of us being the easy targets and pushovers because it's "only Carlton" were over. Obviously not. St Kilda are an up and coming side, didn't you know. Plus, they have more man-buns than any other AFL team.
Sheesh, a blatant throw in our goal square is not rewarded and then ... the ball drifts down to the wing where
Umpire #1 is lurking, crouching like a hidden tiger, waiting to spring into action and finally rid himself of all the wrongs that have ever been done to him in his insignificant little life ... and then he sees his chance - for a few seconds he can be someone, anyone. Finally, his parents can be proud of him.
Feck you Umpire #1.
We were beaten fair and square by a better side but you can't complain about our desire, the Saints are a pretty good outfit so it wasn't a bad effort to push them.
Fair call.
Don't worry about fisher, weiters or wright. Casboult was putrid, pushed around and looked completely lost.
If the game was at the mcg or if we just didn't have the brain spasm at stoppages in the third quarter we probably win. Fisher could have made it really interesting but the kid just took the wrong option but still really impressed me in patches and looks a player.
Great effort by the boys and despite being a loss still definitely moving in the right direction. Saints are good side and should be a finals team, they are not up and coming and their best players are in their prime or past it this is what they are.
We controlled more of the game against a finals team and could have pinched it. Great game asos again, it's funny since his come in the team has been much more confident an aggressive, his attitude and grit is contagous. Weitering a slight worry hopefully he is carrying something and not struggling as a proper key position player.
Good effort. Just lacking some polish, but class is there.
Fisher needs another pre season before being considered again or tears VFL apart.
Cunners has to be due soon.
Don't worry about fisher, weiters or wright. Casboult was putrid, pushed around and looked completely lost.
Casboult has been worked out, you have to play in front of him and not let him leap at the ball. Collingwood did it last week, and it frustrated him. His strngth is launching at the ball punches from behind won't dislodge it. He doesn't have the natural craft of using his body either to combat defenders playing from in front.
I thought we were gonna get hammered by 10 + goals they way we were going in the 1st.
Good fightback after the start...... no complaint about effort... we tried and just fell short.
10.6.66 pretty much sums it up..... we cant score :(
I thought we were gonna get hammered by 10 + goals they way we were going in the 1st.
Good fightback after the start...... no complaint about effort... we tried and just fell short.
10.6.66 pretty much sums it up..... we cant score :(
We did okay considering we struggled to get it inside 50. We were smashed in the middle.
Saints have been playing some of the hottest football in the competition recently so to take it up to them and lead through the last qtr shows we have progressed.
Some blunders in front of goals and well as some baffling umpiring stopped the game being a cliff hanger late.
Midfield got swamped by numbers in the end, and other than 2-3 more mids for the rotation we need a CHF target badly. Very very badly.
We don't have the forward line to kick a winning score based on 35 or so F5o entries, so kudos to the defensive efforts to keep us within striking distance for most of the game.
Really worried about Weeters long term, we're killing him playing him up forward when he is so obviously hurting.
Midfield got swamped by numbers in the end, and other than 2-3 more mids for the rotation we need a CHF target badly. Very very badly.
We don't have the forward line to kick a winning score based on 35 or so F5o entries, so kudos to the defensive efforts to keep us within striking distance for most of the game.
Really worried about Weiters long term, we're killing him playing him up forward when he is so obviously hurting.
Would mind him going back to replace White. White's generally been reasonable this year but you can't play them all.
Bring in two of McKay, Jaksch, Kerr, Jones to play the key positions and leave Levi to focus on rucking with Kreuzer.
Seems to me we need a key forward - McKay, Jones or Jaksch need to come in
Weiters to replace White to add some polish and class to an already unbelievable good defence.
personally : out Fisher, White - in: Cunners, Jones/McKay
Not sure why the focus on Fisher? Cripps screwed up, White a big blunder, ditto Daisy.
Then there's the multitude of blatant, deliberate throw the Sainte got away with....almost bizarre.
Seems to me we need a key forward - McKay, Jones or Jaksch need to come in
Weiters to replace White to add some polish and class to an already unbelievable good defence.
personally : out Fisher, White - in: Cunners, Jones/McKay
Bring in two key forwards and let Casboult just ruck. He and Kreuzer are getting plenty of it around the ground this year, even if Levi did have a shocker today. They are a good combo.
I must admit in that first quarter i was a little worried that it was going to be a blowout. But to the boys credit they fought back into the game and at one stage we even had the lead for a couple minutes.
Lets face it, we didn't have our best day on the park, Doc and Charlie I thought were terrific though. In the past we would have been smashed by 10 goals. Personally, what speaks volumes for me is that even though we didn't have a great day, we only went down by 19 points. We didn't lose any confidence with our game plan and our lads are much better for the experience. I cant remember anytime that they dropped their heads and gave up.
With our development and list management it wont be long before we pass the Aints. Our list shows growth every week and I'm lovin it.
M.
We did okay considering we struggled to get it inside 50. We were smashed in the middle.
we did do ok today considering... I meant overall this year we can't score....... on average we kick 11 goals a game... it's not enough.
I must admit in that first quarter i was a little worried that it was going to be a blowout. But to the boys credit they fought back into the game and at one stage we even had the lead for a couple minutes.
Lets face it, we didn't have our best day on the park, Doc and Charlie I thought were terrific though. In the past we would have been smashed by 10 goals. Personally, what speaks volumes for me is that even though we didn't have a great day, we only went down by 19 points. We didn't lose any confidence with our game plan and our lads are much better for the experience. I cant remember anytime that they dropped their heads and gave up.
With our development and list management it wont be long before we pass the Aints. Our list shows growth every week and I'm lovin it.
M.
Very accurate summary. Was at the game just needed more polish at certain stages but can't be critical.
Not happy with losing but love he direction the club is going.
So much to look forward to.
Bring in two key forwards and let Casboult just ruck. He and Kreuzer are getting plenty of it around the ground this year, even if Levi did have a shocker today. They are a good combo.
plenty did not much today....
SOJ works very hard. Runs his arse off.
we did do ok today considering... I meant overall this year we can't score....... on average we kick 11 goals a game... it's not enough.
We'll get more goals from Silvagni and Curnow as they improve but we badly lack a genuine key forward and one or two goal sneaks, Weitering is a very good footballer but he's not a natural forward.
We need to draft for one or buy one ready made, there's no certainty that McKay will measure up and Casboult, Jones and Jaksch aren't going to cut it if we want to go deep into the finals.
plenty did not much today....
Kreuzer did, Levi had his worst game of the year. But generally through the season thus far they both have done well around the ground, especially Kreuzer.
We'll get more goals from Silvagni and Curnow as they improve but we badly lack a genuine key forward and one or two goal sneaks, Weitering is a very good footballer but he's not a natural forward.
We need to draft for one or buy one ready made, there's no certainty that McKay will measure up and Casboult, Jones and Jaksch aren't going to cut it if we want to go deep into the finals.
Reckon McKay and Kerr will have, at least IMHO, very good careers for us. I'm not against having them both in next week. Both have been terrific in the VFL.
Casboult and Jones have different roles these days, neither as true key forwards. Jones could easily come in and play Levi's role in the ruck, take marks and get touches around the ground, as well as bash some bodies. Casboult's had a good year, bar today, and won't be pushed out, but he wouldn't want a few bad ones though.
Saints have been playing some of the hottest football in the competition recently so to take it up to them and lead through the last qtr shows we have progressed.
Some blunders in front of goals and well as some baffling umpiring stopped the game being a cliff hanger late.
I dont think their brand will get them very far in September.
We'll get more goals from Silvagni and Curnow as they improve but we badly lack a genuine key forward and one or two goal sneaks, Weitering is a very good footballer but he's not a natural forward.
We need to draft for one or buy one ready made, there's no certainty that McKay will measure up and Casboult, Jones and Jaksch aren't going to cut it if we want to go deep into the finals.
Wonder what out first pick this year is going to be as there are good young forwards in this years draft. I think this team needs one ready to go now 21-25 years old no idea who is available and who would be happy to play for us. McKay is a talent his skills are good can take a good mark but needs kilos on his body to go into beast mode he needs games even for "education".
I dont think their brand will get them very far in September.
Even so, current form has been very hot.
Wonder what out first pick this year is going to be as there are good young forwards in this years draft.
I hope we don't just draft one for the sake of it whether they're any good or not, like we did with McCarthy, Mitchell and Watson among others.
If we get a high pick and one's available well and good but if not we might need to trade for one, Footscray paid top dollar for Boyd but it's turned out to be good value for them.
Was at the ground. We owned them for patches and vice versa. The last 15 mins we were overrun by their mid field depth. Good signs.
1. Not sure why saints fans were Boo in murphy, he obviously got involved in the fight but didn't see amwhat happened? Is he in trouble?
2. Daisy was solid, actually looks to be gaining confidence
3. Casboult bad as noted before
4. Charlie. Wow this kid will be one hell of a player. Has all of the tools
5. Little SOS started well but got tired, faded badly imo
6. Kruezer and Murphy excellent as was doc and simmo. Gibbs was 'ok' but kicked that nice goal
7. Weiters. I'm not sure why people are worried. 2nd year KPP, moving nicely and taking marks. Gets a little lost in traffic
8. Love seeing Cripps move forward. Love it. Will happen more and more when our midfield develops depth
9. Asos. Immense (for you GIC) ????
10. Kids ok. Graham good options by foot, samo composed and fisher probs needs to get more of it and develop a right! Marchy played on Riewoldt most of the game who gave him an education, but he wasn't disgraced.
Overall very pleased, clearly we are developing well and so much to like about our future
Wonder what out first pick this year is going to be as there are good young forwards in this years draft. I think this team needs one ready to go now 21-25 years old no idea who is available and who would be happy to play for us. McKay is a talent his skills are good can take a good mark but needs kilos on his body to go into beast mode he needs games even for "education".
We still need to strengthen our midfield first. We've drafted key forwards, both who are doing very well in the VFL. Jaksch continues to perform well in the VFL and surely needs a go soon too, especially given his marking strength.
Was at the ground. We owned them for patches and vice versa. The last 15 mins we were overrun by their mid field depth. Good signs.
1. Not sure why saints fans were Boo in murphy, he obviously got involved in the fight but didn't see amwhat happened? Is he in trouble?
2. Daisy was solid, actually looks to be gaining confidence
3. Casboult bad as noted before
4. Charlie. Wow this kid will be one hell of a player. Has all of the tools
5. Little SOS started well but got tired, faded badly imo
6. Kruezer and Murphy excellent as was doc and simmo. Gibbs was 'ok' but kicked that nice goal
7. Weiters. I'm not sure why people are worried. 2nd year KPP, moving nicely and taking marks. Gets a little lost in traffic
8. Love seeing Cripps move forward. Love it. Will happen more and more when our midfield develops depth
9. Asos. Immense (for you GIC) ????
10. Kids ok. Graham good options by foot, samo composed and fisher probs needs to get more of it and develop a right! Marchy played on Riewoldt most of the game who gave him an education, but he wasn't disgraced.
Overall very pleased, clearly we are developing well and so much to like about our future
On that last bit you're right on. We hold last qtr leads against Melbourne and St.Kilda and we're in the 8, so, yes, there's plenty to like about the future.
Thanks for that summary Jeffy38!
Also don't understand why some are concerned about Weiters - I think the days of running players into the ground to be competitive are gone. We have surely learnt from that mistake.
SOJ works very hard. Runs his arse off.
At one stage, he was deep in our defensive 50 spoiling/defending then he sprinted to the other end where he marked and goaled. Works hard.
I hate losing... I HATE LOSING!
But I don't mind losing like that.
We showed plenty with a few rookie mistakes.
They ran and spread hard and we couldn't keep up.
Plenty of green shoots. CC is showing why we had trust in his ability.
Pity Casboult and Wright decided to have a holiday today.
Where would we be without the Tractor?
I think the comp is starting to take notice of us and teams will no longer be expecting an easy win.
Great work BB and team.
Even so, current form has been very hot.
Don't dispute that, just don't think its sustainable. When we controlled the ball by chipping it around, they couldnt cope. When we turned up the heat and cracked in, they went to water I felt, as I said earlier, they like the outside stuff which they are very good at. When the whips are cracking deep in Sep, I dont think they will cope.
Ill tell what will also bring them undone, gifting games to Saint Nick. He is finished.
Seems to me we need a key forward - McKay, Jones or Jaksch need to come in
Weiters to replace White to add some polish and class to an already unbelievable good defence.
personally : out Fisher, White - in: Cunners, Jones/McKay
Bring in two key forwards and let Casboult just ruck. He and Kreuzer are getting plenty of it around the ground this year, even if Levi did have a shocker today. They are a good combo.
Sorry chaps, we were smashed in the I50s and stoppages, and you want to bring in extra talls reducing our run?
Even out that i50 difference and you probably find Casboult has a better game and SoJ doesn't run himself into the ground and turn it over.
I did not get to see even a moment of the game at all today u or hear any of it either, so I go in blind here. But on the surface I absolutely would have taken this result before th game and walked away thinking we were on the right track. It seems like Billings had a field day, his defender or our setup?
Will look forward to watching the replay, but on the surface, well done to be right in this up to the end by the lads.
9. Asos. Immense (for you GIC) ????
Touche' Ol' Boy and I agree FWIW. Great summary also, cudos.
Just on Weiters, watching the side live again today, I don't think there is a spot for him in the backline at the minute TBH.
At one stage, he was deep in our defensive 50 spoiling/defending then he sprinted to the other end where he marked and goaled. Works hard.
Yep he does work hard, but he gives it up too easily as well. All that work is going to bite him on the ar5e if he keeps topping the clangers table!
I dont think their brand will get them very far in September.
very much agree
When you have so many kids playing, you are bound to have plenty of ups and downs.
Today simply wasn't our day.
Casboults radar was off.
Fisher and Cripps did the impossible in failing to get a shot on goal despite being free in the goal square. (FWIW, that Cripps free was about as bad as you can get. He slapped his hip and that was deemed an acceptable tackle?! >:( )
Graham, Daisy and White had some shocking turnovers....and there was probably a few more names in there.
The boys tried hard and thats about all you can ask of them.
Got a good 8 day break to take on Freo over there.
Lets bring the same enthusiasm there.
Saints have been playing some of the hottest football in the competition recently so to take it up to them and lead through the last qtr shows we have progressed.
Some blunders in front of goals and well as some baffling umpiring stopped the game being a cliff hanger late.
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Can I just share a pretty funny piece of commentary from the crowd (at least I think it was funny). A StK supporter and I were going toe to toe with the jibes, he was going hard at Daisy, I was going hard at St Nick. So it was all square when Casboult marked in the last qtr and lined up for goal. This guy stands up and yells "Carlton? Set up your zone, set up your zone". I clapped that TBH and he shaded ahead and won the day's joust.
Don't dispute that, just don't think its sustainable. When we controlled the ball by chipping it around, they couldnt cope. When we turned up the heat and cracked in, they went to water I felt, as I said earlier, they like the outside stuff which they are very good at. When the whips are cracking deep in Sep, I dont think they will cope.
Ill tell what will also bring them undone, gifting games to Saint Nick. He is finished.
They won't go far in September agree with that, just talking the here and now. Right now they're as hot as anyone and we matched them. They won't be that hot forever and hope we can get them next time.
Just watched the reply and didn't notice it as much at the ground but gee did we cope it umpiring wise.
Every fking 50/50 went their way.
...since the dawn of time with that mob Shawny, as sure as death and taxes... gave up getting upset at getting stiffed against this mob years ago. At times it is so bad you wonder if it is to instructions... don't get me started on St Nick or the lauded Lenny "never caught in possession against Carlton" Hayes...
I am very pleased with today's performance and result. I thought we'd trail by about 40 or so, provided we bought our best. So much so that I could sit and watch the game with my saints partner. When we played them last year, I couldn't stay in my seat. I get why BB does laps around the coaches box :-[
Our youngsters will wax and wane. That's a given. A couple of our seniors had a quiet one for sure. But our leaders and most of the 2nd tier players were fantastic. Murphy, MK, Gibbs, COS, Simmons, Rowe (probs others too) stood up against an in form hard, fast, mature team. Crippa, Docherty, Plowman showed their class. Samo, Marchbank, SOJ, and Williamson were solid. Little Zac got thrown around like a rag doll at times. Love how he bounces back though. He's going to be a star.
Got a couple of incorrect umpiring decisions by omission and commission, at crucial times. Really punished us when we had the momentum :o Bit of luck with that and we could have scraped over the line. Not to be, but can't fault the coaching, effort, and skills for the most part.
So much to like. Progressing nicely.
Go new Blues.
Who was on Billings?
Marchy played on Riewoldt most of the game who gave him an education, but he wasn't disgraced.
Not sure I saw it that way..........
no question an education, but Nick was barely a factor in the vgame so win to the blues...
Just reported Murph only shook a couple hands after the match.
What was that all about?
They have a powerful selection of tall goalkickers in Nick, Membrey, and Bruce (and young Paddy... ). I think our defense did an excellent job holding them.
In fact they've really held some of the leagues best. Dixon, Buddy, Daniher, Lynch etc. We're building a defense others will envy..
Not sure I saw it that way..........
I thought Riewoldt was one of there best. Got possessions all over the ground and took marchy out of his comfort zone. henwasnt pantsed, but he'd be a very tired boy.
Just reported Murph only shook a couple hands after the match.
What was that all about?
I heard a rumor he was targeted with some rather unsavoury sledging!
If what I've heard is correct, it looks like The Aints are playing 80s style football, open season on all subject matter excluding the reportable stuff! Pretty ordinary to say the least!
Won't win them a final, only inspires opposition to lift on the rematch!
Just reported Murph only shook a couple hands after the match.
What was that all about?
Not read all of this thread yet but a guy on the train after the game claimed that Murph actually spat on Carlisle whilst he was on the ground and that's why he was being booed. Don't know if this is true but if so it's very un-Murph like and he must have been pushed a very long way to react like that!
The whole stkilda crowd saw murphy spit? Sounds like a load of crap.
I was pretty happy with the efforts today. We fought it out well and matched them well for long periods of the game. We just ran out of petrol in the end but the boys fought it out to the end and with a bit more luck we could even have pinched it. Ah well, the glory that might have been! Disappointed for the boys more than anything but hey - we're sure on the right track.
The whole stkilda crowd saw murphy spit? Sounds like a load of crap.
Well I don't know whether they ALL saw him and by the same token they ALL weren't booing him. ::)
Carlisle was on the ground injured. We got a goal, Murphy stood over him and abused him. Pretty weak from our captain but I don't think he didn't spat.
Not read all of this thread yet but a guy on the train after the game claimed that Murph actually spat on Carlisle whilst he was on the ground and that's why he was being booed. Don't know if this is true but if so it's very un-Murph like and he must have been pushed a very long way to react like that!
Ever tried spitting while wearing a mouthguard? Tom Harley managed it when he gobbed on our supporters but it only just cleared the fence!
I find it very hard to imagine Murphy spitting at anyone.... Carlisle is a tosser no doubt, but I'm guessing there's more to this story. It was quite a mêlée. Hope we don't cop any trouble from it. On the upside, pretty sure I saw Gibbs dishing it out ;)
Carlisle was on the ground injured. We got a goal, Murphy stood over him and abused him. Pretty weak from our captain but I don't think he didn't spat.
Well let's hope not. Murph's better than than that and it seems totally out of character.
Ever tried spitting while wearing a mouthguard? Tom Harley managed it when he gobbed on our supporters but it only just cleared the fence!
I don't think it would occur to me to spit on someone even without a mouthguard DJC, so I will defer to your expertise. :)
I don't think it would occur to me to spit on someone even without a mouthguard DJC, so I will defer to your expertise. :)
Toby Green might be able to enlighten you ;)
Carlton insiders believing Murphy was targetted. This is obviously about the rumours from last year which would explain why Murphy would berate an injured player.
What happened to Carlisle? Saw him on the deck clutching the jewels.
What happened to Carlisle? Saw him on the deck clutching the jewels.
Heard on the radio it was a suspected split testy. :-\
Ouch :'(
Wouldn't have thought he'd have come back on if that was the injury!
I thought he came down awkwardly (?? pushed or blocked) from a marking contest. Looked like he landed on Levi's knee. Levi was already on the ground on his back with knee bent.
Think one of our boys suffered that injury a couple of yes ago. Iirc he was out for a couple of weeks.
Saw the vision on Fox.
Carlisle is on the ground and Murphy's just given him a serve while he's running past.
Hardly anything to get worked up about. The crap stains just went after him because he was carving them up and he's skipper.
Don't forget this mobs treatment of an injured Ed Curnow. For Murph to have been even close to that he'd have had to kick Carlisle in the nuts while he was down.
Pity we lost.
I try to avoid blaming the umpires because generally they get things right and you are left with 50/50 decisions for both teams right across the game...
But the thing that really bothers me, and it's not exclusive to today's game, is when a game has been an arm wrestle for the entire match - goal for goal - and then, an umpire pulls out a 50 metre penalty on a fatigued 18 year old kid to move the ball to within scoring range with five minutes remaining in the game. The resulting goal places the game in a position where the competition has ended due to a score that has been manufactured rather than played for.
This isolated act impacted the result of the match in a completely unfair way that places game's integrity into question.
The game is not resolved by two teams playing on a level field. It gets decided on the whim of an official who gets a rush of blood and wants to be involved in the drama of the game.
It killed what was an intriguing contest between two very even teams...although one team with a six point bonus when they needed it most.
No doubt joel Selwood and Luke Hodge would get away with giving the ball back slow.
I try to avoid blaming the umpires because generally they get things right and you are left with 50/50 decisions for both teams right across the game...
But the thing that really bothers me, and it's not exclusive to today's game, is when a game has been an arm wrestle for the entire match - goal for goal - and then, an umpire pulls out a 50 metre penalty on a fatigued 18 year old kid to move the ball to within scoring range with five minutes remaining in the game. The resulting goal places the game in a position where the competition has ended due to a score that has been manufactured rather than played for.
This isolated act impacted the result of the match in a completely unfair way that places game's integrity into question.
The game is not resolved by two teams playing on a level field. It gets decided on the whim of an official who gets a rush of blood and wants to be involved in the drama of the game.
It killed what was an intriguing contest between two very even teams...although one team with a six point bonus when they needed it most.
this is AFL football, not school boy stuff.
An 18 year-old, fatigued kid is just one of 44 players out there and doesn't deserve any special treatment.
Just painting a picture, Sandy, but my point is about umpires deciding the final game result...
Ump was feeling the pressure. Simmo was giving him lip, for what was a correct call by the ump, and being so close to the crowd he was getting a massive bake as well. Williamson tries to be a bit cute and the ump pulls the trigger.
Frankly , I get the absolute craps with players whinging about decsions the know are correct. Sheedy started that crap as a tactic to get umps to second guess themselves and award less kicks against and more kicks for the Bombers.
Every time a player opens his gob it should be 50m and then all this melodrama would stop with a month and the game would flow much better.
Agreed. I reckon players mouthing off at umpires is on the rise this season...a really bad look
Ump was feeling the pressure. Simmo was giving him lip, for what was a correct call by the ump, and being so close to the crowd he was getting a massive bake as well. Williamson tries to be a bit cute and the ump pulls the trigger.
Frankly , I get the absolute craps with players whinging about decsions the know are correct. Sheedy started that crap as a tactic to get umps to second guess themselves and award less kicks against and more kicks for the Bombers.
Every time a player opens his gob it should be 50m and then all this melodrama would stop with a month and the game would flow much better.
Agree, never seen an ump change his mind, never will so no point arguing the point with them on field.
Who was on Billings?
Hmmm. Has been mentioned on this thread but he essentially tore us a new one. I saw Plowman with him when he was deep fwd and he seemed to quick for him. I dont recall who matched up on him around the ground.
I didn't like the melee but the fact alot flew the flag was great.
No more will teams bully us. Now I do like that.
Hopefully it will just be fines.
I didn't like the melee but the fact alot flew the flag was great.
No more will teams bully us. Now I do like that.
Hopefully it will just be fines.
Sometimes ugly things have to be done for the education of others. We are not to be messed with!
Sometimes ugly things have to be done for the education of others. We are not to be messed with!
Agree Cookie, this is one area that also needs to be adjusted, no more bullying us around. If we have to pay fines, its the price we have to pay. I heard a snipet on the news that the all in melee will be investigated by the AFL.
Hmmm. Has been mentioned on this thread but he essentially tore us a new one. I saw Plowman with him when he was deep fwd and he seemed to quick for him. I dont recall who matched up on him around the ground.
I reckon he got two of those goals because we didn't set up right at stoppages .
I reckon he got two of those goals because we didn't set up right at stoppages .
Yes. Billings and that turd Steven were the main difference. Steven seemed to have had about 40+ touches, I was surprised to see he had 32 but to me, he was extremely influential.
Yes. Billings and that turd Steven were the main difference. Steven seemed to have had about 40+ touches, I was surprised to see he had 32 but to me, he was extremely influential.
Yes, and the other guy who is important is Ross who is low profile but regularly gets 30+ possessions.
Agreed. I reckon players mouthing off at umpires is on the rise this season...a really bad look
Totally agree. Big waste of energy and in most competitive sports umpires are treated with much more respect... the AFL needs to step in and let all players know that umpire abuse will incur an instant penalty.
One other thing, I know Crippa a little brain fade running into goal in the 2nd but since when is it within the rules to give an ankle tap and get pinged for incorrect disposal?
I dont think their brand will get them very far in September.
It will depend on who they play. The 'Aints like a free flowing style and they do it well. Stymie their run and they don't have a plan B. Against another free flowing side, they have show they can be winners. But I am not sure they will handle the close checking brand some teams manage in finals.
They also depend on the getting the ball out of the middle. They have a good ruck brigade and are used to getting 1st use of the ball. Not sure how that would fare against a Nic Nat or Ryder type, or a Sandilands.
One other thing, I know Crippa a little brain fade running into goal in the 2nd but since when is it within the rules to give an ankle tap and get pinged for incorrect disposal?
That was one of the worst decisions I've seen. The only way he could fall over is by being tripped. Again, as others have written, 38000 saw it; 3 did not. As it was, Crippa should have buried it.
For that matter, Fisher should have some sort of right foot. He could well learn by looking at Simmo, whose right foot is under-utilized, but he often manages to tie his opponents in knots while finally getting on his left.
It will depend on who they play. The 'Aints like a free flowing style and they do it well. Stymie their run and they don't have a plan B. Against another free flowing side, they have show they can be winners. But I am not sure they will handle the close checking brand some teams manage in finals.
They also depend on the getting the ball out of the middle. They have a good ruck brigade and are used to getting 1st use of the ball. Not sure how that would fare against a Nic Nat or Ryder type, or a Sandilands.
Agree Crash. We were talking at the game as to how we strangled them for much of the game. It was only after we tired in the 4th that they got the better of us and got their run and spread going again. It was a great experience for us because we showed how we could beat them - all we need is a bit more development and fitness. This will be a way of beating a number of other teams too.
That was one of the worst decisions I've seen. The only way he could fall over is by being tripped. Again, as others have written, 38000 saw it; 3 did not. As it was, Crippa should have buried it.
For that matter, Fisher should have some sort of right foot. He could well learn by looking at Simmo, whose right foot is under-utilized, but he often manages to tie his opponents in knots while finally getting on his left.
Crippa was showboating. He should have learned from the case of the Costa Concordia! I don't think he'll be repeating that mistake - he must have felt very foolish afterwards.
Crippa was showboating. He should have learned from the case of the Costa Concordia! I don't think he'll be repeating that mistake - he must have felt very foolish afterwards.
Indeed. But he will learn.
I for one loved Fisher's game.
Made that obvious howler, but his 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th efforts are amazing. He got 2 smothers at crucial points he had no right to get, just shear desperation.
I think BB, if he hasn't already done so, needs to contact the umpires and ask for clarification of the holding the ball rule. It needs to be brought to someone's attention that we are being treated differently to other teams in this regard.
I for one loved Fisher's game.
Made that obvious howler, but his 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th efforts are amazing. He got 2 smothers at crucial points he had no right to get, just shear desperation.
I think BB, if he hasn't already done so, needs to contact the umpires and ask for clarification of the holding the ball rule. It needs to be brought to someone's attention that we are being treated differently to other teams in this regard.
I'll cut Fisher some slack because he's a first year, but in reality he had nowhere near enough footy for people to be patting him on his back.
I think in a game where we were really only in it due to fighting qualities and effort, what Fisher did was crucial. That's the sort of effort you expect from a seasoned player leading by example. Our team isn't blessed with an excess of skill right now, although we are showing signs of development in that area. I'll take Fishers game over a lot of other guys' in the team yesterday.
Crippa was showboating. He should have learned from the case of the Costa Concordia! I don't think he'll be repeating that mistake - he must have felt very foolish afterwards.
Maybe got a bit ahead of himself there but I like that. Signs of real confidence coming back.
Last I looked Ankle tap is supposed to be a free kick.
I for one loved Fisher's game.
Made that obvious howler, but his 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th efforts are amazing. He got 2 smothers at crucial points he had no right to get, just shear desperation.
I think BB, if he hasn't already done so, needs to contact the umpires and ask for clarification of the holding the ball rule. It needs to be brought to someone's attention that we are being treated differently to other teams in this regard.
Fisher will be a beauty for sure - great pickup.
Great to hear BB in his post match media conference say that ACOS will be get plenty of games this year... begs the question, how many games is he allowed to play as a rookie? Will someone need to be delisted?
Great to hear BB in his post match media conference say that ACOS will be get plenty of games this year... begs the question, how many games is he allowed to play as a rookie? Will someone need to be delisted?
Dont know the exact rules but belongs on senior list for two years even if helping out Northern Blues.
Long as someone is on the long term injured list COS will be able to play, problem comes if/when Byrne gets back, if no one else cops a long termer
Yesterday, in his presser, BB clearly stated that Alex was "very important to us this year".
I think BB, if he hasn't already done so, needs to contact the umpires and ask for clarification of the holding the ball rule. It needs to be brought to someone's attention that we are being treated differently to other teams in this regard.
The umpires have treated us differently for sooooo long.
After the game i was thinking the same that BB complains about the umpiring and cop the fine.
Didn't Sheedy do this type of thing?
Time we pushed back instead of complying all the time.
I think that yesterday showed we still have a lot of work to do on our setup week to week. A few things stood out to me.
First, with Alex coming into the team and playing well it does poses some issues to the matchups. Playing both White & Plowman was a mistake yesterday, as we have too many tallish, slower players. Plowman was on Billings at times and is way too slow for that role. I don't see how those 2 guys can play together.
Second, our transition from defence to attack really struggles when we have a lot of young guys in the team. I think guys like Smedts play a critical role as link players through the midfield that was missing yesterday.
Thirdly, we had sub 20 shots at goal again yesterday. We remain the lowest scoring team in the comp, and have been in the bottom 2 teams for scoring and shots on goal for the last 2.5 years. We have seen zero signs of actual improvement in these numbers, despite trying numerous combinations. We are staying in games due to good defence, but our inability to score means we are never going to win games consistently until we find forwards who can actually kick goals. The Weitering, SOJ and Curnow forward line struggled again. This seems obvious, but our lack of improvement when you look at the scoring numbers over such a long period of time is really concerning.
Our experienced players went really well yesterday, but it was the less experienced guys who collectively gave us very little. This is the downside of a young developing team, but I think there are some structural and selection issues that still need to be addressed.
Our inside 50s were miles behind the Saints yesterday. We can't blame our forwards for that.
What we can blame our forwards on is their defensive pressure. Every week the opposition run it out with ease.
Our inside 50s were miles behind the Saints yesterday. We can't blame our forwards for that.
What we can blame our forwards on is their defensive pressure. Every week the opposition run it out with ease.
Casboult is easily run off and Weitering has no real pace or sideways movement, the only forward we have with defensive skills at the moment is Jack Silvagni and he's only a pup.
That said I think that St Kilda are a better side than some here are giving them credit for and with no standout team or teams this season they could well figure into the third week of the finals in my opinion.
Crippa was showboating. He should have learned from the case of the Costa Concordia! I don't think he'll be repeating that mistake - he must have felt very foolish afterwards.
Agree but the umpire made a mistake, it should have been a free, 50m for the trip and a set shot for goal. Arent certain trips reportable?
One other thing, I know Crippa a little brain fade running into goal in the 2nd but since when is it within the rules to give an ankle tap and get pinged for incorrect disposal?
I don't think it was an ankle tap.
I think he slapped his hip.
The reason he fell over is that the hip slap put him off balance so he tried to stop his kick (so he wouldn't spray it) and he essentially put himself off balance and tripped over his own feet.
At least thats how i saw it.
One other thing, I know Crippa a little brain fade running into goal in the 2nd but since when is it within the rules to give an ankle tap and get pinged for incorrect disposal?
I couldn't work out what was going on then. It felt like Crippa got ripped off though (but that's my undeniable bias).
Can someone explain please?
I don't think it was an ankle tap.
I think he slapped his hip.
The reason he fell over is that the hip slap put him off balance so he tried to stop his kick (so he wouldn't spray it) and he essentially put himself off balance and tripped over his own feet.
At least thats how i saw it.
I was sitting fairly close to the incident and that's what I thought happened (I haven't seen a replay). Of course he could have had a shot or passed the ball off before that.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-match-report/st-kilda-ahead-of-the-curve-against-carlton-but-blues-push-all-the-way-20170513-gw45h3.html
Good to see us written about in a reasonably positive light.
Man I don't miss all the cr&p we copped 2014,15.
The whole stkilda crowd saw murphy spit? Sounds like a load of crap.
How do you spit at someone while wearing a mouth gaurd? Not possible i would say.
I think that yesterday showed we still have a lot of work to do on our setup week to week. A few things stood out to me.
First, with Alex coming into the team and playing well it does poses some issues to the matchups. Playing both White & Plowman was a mistake yesterday, as we have too many tallish, slower players. Plowman was on Billings at times and is way too slow for that role. I don't see how those 2 guys can play together.
Second, our transition from defence to attack really struggles when we have a lot of young guys in the team. I think guys like Smedts play a critical role as link players through the midfield that was missing yesterday.
Thirdly, we had sub 20 shots at goal again yesterday. We remain the lowest scoring team in the comp, and have been in the bottom 2 teams for scoring and shots on goal for the last 2.5 years. We have seen zero signs of actual improvement in these numbers, despite trying numerous combinations. We are staying in games due to good defence, but our inability to score means we are never going to win games consistently until we find forwards who can actually kick goals. The Weitering, SOJ and Curnow forward line struggled again. This seems obvious, but our lack of improvement when you look at the scoring numbers over such a long period of time is really concerning.
Our experienced players went really well yesterday, but it was the less experienced guys who collectively gave us very little. This is the downside of a young developing team, but I think there are some structural and selection issues that still need to be addressed.
I think we have the best backline in the comp. Tick.
Midfield is way under powered compared to other teams who are 50 plus games into their Samo / Fisher / Silvagni / Curly / Weit types.
Jaksch kicked 5 today and Sumner 3. Lamb 24 disposals.
I think weit needs a rest. Does that mean Jaksch gets a go?
I went to the game yesterday not looking at winning as saints have been playing pretty good footy this year and are on track to play finals all going well for them. I would of taken a 4 goal loss considering they have smashed us the last couple of years.
Loved that saints had to come down to our level as they could not break into their normal game style. Durig the third quater they criscrossed their half back line a few times trying to find a way out. I just thought at the time that the had to revert to plan b to score as we had stopped their normal run and carry which we have had no answers to the last couple of years.
Levi did not have a good game yesterday. One thing i did notice was that he twice did not make the distance from the 50 both times landing in the square. In other years he has easily made the distance and kicked goals, his only issue been when close to goal. This year his goal kicking from close in has improved significantly with his new technique under sav's coaching. I'm just wondering if this new technique has cost him kicking distance and if this will be the next step that will need be addressed? I would love to hear your thoughts.
It was amazing how the entire st kilda crowd started booing murphy and nobody other than them at the ground knew why. And it turns out they were totally wrong about why they were booing him (spitting).
Sort of sums them up as a club really.
At the ground it was very obvious that Murphy ran up to Carlisle and yelled at him while he was on the ground, not a good look. But given that Murphy was sledged relentlessly in a personal manner about his family situation throughout the game, seemingly in a pre-determined team effort by the saints, I think the drug cheat got what he deserved
Alex Silvagni is not quite an enforcer but he certainly makes his presence felt in a physical nature, doesn't take a backward step and just makes all the others down there walk tall. He's been a great addition. (Haven't even mentioned his chase downs!!)
Re: Alex Silvagni
He's arguably been our best mature recruit. I thought he was a solid dependable contributor at Freo. Unfortunately he was often overlooked, with preference given to the Dawson lovechild.
That might be to our advantage in terms of his age/body. He's saved the best for the homecoming :))
Welcome home to the mighty Blues son.
At the ground it was very obvious that Murphy ran up to Carlisle and yelled at him while he was on the ground, not a good look. But given that Murphy was sledged relentlessly in a personal manner about his family situation throughout the game, seemingly in a pre-determined team effort by the saints, I think the drug cheat got what he deserved
Nobody near me had any idea. Booed like he'd stabbed someone. Turns out he said something to someone... what an animal. Boo!
Nobody near me had any idea. Booed like he'd stabbed someone. Turns out he said something to someone... what an animal. Boo!
I think the assumption was that he spat on the coke head. It could have been assumed when you look at the footage but he definitely didn't, because if he did, THAT would be the story.
What we can blame our forwards on is their defensive pressure. Every week the opposition run it out with ease.
Yet I'd say our defensive structures are miles ahead of the way they were in the past!
Based on what I have seen from the 1s and the 2s I have complete faith in BB to get this sorted.